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MacRumors
Sep 3, 2007, 10:35 AM
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More last minute rumors...

Digitimes relays (http://www.digitimes.com/systems/a20070903PD203.html) more rumors about Apple's expected announcements on Wednesday September 5th.

According to "sources at Tawiwan-based contract manufacturers", Digitimes expects Apple to release an iPod video with touch-control interface.
The new iPod video will also come with a wide-screen panel, high storage capacity and Wi-Fi connectivity, the sources indicated. In addition, the new iPod video is expected to be powered by NAND flash, instead of a hard disk drive (HDD).

Many had assumed the high-end iPod would continue to use a hard drive, but this report indicates Apple may move to entirely to Flash based storage.

Vnunet cites (http://www.vnunet.com/vnunet/news/2197849/radio-ipods-expected-wednesday) a "reliable industry insider" and claims that Apple's new iPods will be able to receive digital radio and include a "buy-now" function that will allow the user to download and buy tracks as they are being played.

Vnunet's accuracy is unknown, but there have been whispers of wireless/radio integration into the new iPods, but the exact implementation has been unknown.

Article Link (http://www.macrumors.com/2007/09/03/apple-to-unveil-new-flash-based-ipods-digital-radio/)



Eclipse278
Sep 3, 2007, 10:37 AM
i'll be first in line

mkrishnan
Sep 3, 2007, 10:38 AM
According to "sources at Tawiwan-based contract manufacturers"

All of those hard-working engineers and factory personnel in China must be heartbroken to have lost this contract to Tawiwan. :(

longofest
Sep 3, 2007, 10:38 AM
I still don't buy the flash-only thing. It leaves those who like the high-capacity ipods without an option. I think more likely is a hybrid structure, with some models moving to flash, and some remaining HDD based... but this is just speculation.

jamespa66
Sep 3, 2007, 10:38 AM
I have been eagerly awaiting a update to the video iPod line. Lets hope the rumors are true!

Caitlyn
Sep 3, 2007, 10:41 AM
That'd be neat and definitely define the line of iPods a bit more (iPod Shuffle, iPod Nano, iPod Touch; just think about the differences) but my question is, can they really get the amount of storage inside the iPod using Flash vs. a HD? Because if flash memory means less memory, then I would take the HD any day.

vendettabass
Sep 3, 2007, 10:43 AM
keep the 179 price point iPod and I'll be buying :)!

Wayfarer
Sep 3, 2007, 10:43 AM
Flash + Wi-fi + Digital Radio = teh ultimate hotness.

Enter new iPod revolution.

CWallace
Sep 3, 2007, 10:43 AM
1.8" SSDs are at 64GB, so it could be possible that Apple would drop HDDs, however the price per GB is probably really high (though I can't seem to find a list price).


All of those hard-working engineers and factory personnel in China must be heartbroken to have lost this contract to Taiwan. :(

Well HQ is in Taiwan, so maybe that is what they mean.

Dany M
Sep 3, 2007, 10:43 AM
That'd be neat and definitely define the line of iPods a bit more (iPod Shuffle, iPod Nano, iPod Touch; just think about the differences) but my question is, can they really get the amount of storage inside the iPod using Flash vs. a HD? Because if flash memory means less memory, then I would take the HD any day.

Thast my biggest worry, if were loosing 20-50 of hd space for a 16 or 8 gb ipod, im taking the 5g one.

kbrain2929
Sep 3, 2007, 10:43 AM
Hey... sounds good to me. Especially the radio thing. I just wanna know if the whole Flash thing is really true. I don't know about that.:apple:

DaBrain
Sep 3, 2007, 10:44 AM
All of those hard-working engineers and factory personnel in China must be heartbroken to have lost this contract to Tawiwan. :(

That would be good! Need to spread the wealth and competition! We have enough products already coming form China!

I just hope there's no lead in these--))) :D

sminman
Sep 3, 2007, 10:44 AM
I would rather see Apple announce kiosk's then a radio function on an iPod.

Just think how cool that would be, you are at the airport about to catch a flight, you see an iTunes kiosk and go over and dock your iPhone or iPod and then download a movie or two for the flight.

Genius... I hope this becomes reality.

Sam

kbrain2929
Sep 3, 2007, 10:44 AM
Flash + Wi-fi + Digital Radio = teh ultimate hotness.

Enter new iPod revolution.

Amen Brother! :D :apple:

QuarterSwede
Sep 3, 2007, 10:44 AM
Digital Radio? I guess it couldn't hurt but HD Radio is aweful, at least the stations I've heard have digital artifacts all over. It sounds like a low bit rate mp3. I'd rather listen to regular radio.

DaBrain
Sep 3, 2007, 10:45 AM
I would rather see Apple announce kiosk's then a radio function on an iPod.

Just think how cool that would be, you are at the airport about to catch a flight, you see an iTunes kiosk and go over and dock your iPhone or iPod and then download a movie or two for the flight.

Genius... I hope this becomes reality.

Sam

But why would ya need a kiosk? Most Airports I been too lately offer a free WiFi connection. :confused:

G5Unit
Sep 3, 2007, 10:46 AM
I would rather see Apple announce kiosk's then a radio function on an iPod.

Just think how cool that would be, you are at the airport about to catch a flight, you see an iTunes kiosk and go over and dock your iPhone or iPod and then download a movie or two for the flight.

Genius... I hope this becomes reality.

Sam

Here did you here that? That's an amazing idea!

kbrain2929
Sep 3, 2007, 10:47 AM
I would rather see Apple announce kiosk's then a radio function on an iPod.

Just think how cool that would be, you are at the airport about to catch a flight, you see an iTunes kiosk and go over and dock your iPhone or iPod and then download a movie or two for the flight.

Genius... I hope this becomes reality.

Sam

You know... I thought about that, and it seems like a REALLY good idea. Or what about a mall or music store... you hear a new song, really like it, go over to the kiosk, hook it up, or even use WiFi securely, and, as Steve would say, BOOM!. Not a bad idea. I may have to run a mockup through Photoshop and see what I come out with. :apple:
Edit: I just found this. SWEET! http://www.redferret.net/Images/iwoodkiosk_small1.jpg

TheSpecialist
Sep 3, 2007, 10:47 AM
I bet those manufactures in 'Tawiwan' sure are reliable;)

sushi
Sep 3, 2007, 10:48 AM
I still don't buy the flash-only thing. It leaves those who like the high-capacity ipods without an option. I think more likely is a hybrid structure, with some models moving to flash, and some remaining HDD based... but this is just speculation.
I'm with you there.

My bet is that the Video iPod will be HD based.

zub3qin
Sep 3, 2007, 10:48 AM
Flash + Wi-fi + Digital Radio = teh ultimate hotness.

Enter new iPod revolution.

I am afraid that the only wifi we will see in this iPod will be to access iTunes, so you can spend even more money. No safari... no email.... wifi is for Apple to make sales of music, not for the user. Apple will piss a lot of people off if they only allow wifi for itunes.

Anyone really need another way to buy music? At some point, don't we just want to spend money and listen to our music... not spend money so we can be sold more music via wifi?

gloss
Sep 3, 2007, 10:49 AM
If flash based storage < 64gb of space, I'm a sad panda.

Piarco
Sep 3, 2007, 10:49 AM
Digital Radio won't happen. Too many formats over the world - USA's different satelite radio types, UK et al DAB... to many different chips/tuners would be needed - which I'm guessing wouldn't be cost effective.
Don't get me wrong, I'd love a DAB tuner in an iPod, but for Apple it just doesn't make financial sense.

Internet radio through wifi would make more sense - but I'd imagine the wifi to be specific to iTunes Store or maybe wireless syncing... I'd love to have true 'net access but for a music centric device, its just not necessary.

A move to flash would be great, but at the loss of so much storage? No thanks. If true it just seems to be a lazy retrofit (or dumbing down) of the iPhone spec....

zub3qin
Sep 3, 2007, 10:50 AM
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More last minute rumors...

Digitimes relays (http://www.digitimes.com/systems/a20070903PD203.html) more rumors about Apple's expected announcements on Wednesday September 5th.

According to "sources at Tawiwan-based contract manufacturers", Digitimes expects Apple to release an iPod video with touch-control interface.


Many had assumed the high-end iPod would continue to use a hard drive, but this report indicates Apple may move to entirely to Flash based storage.

Vnunet cites (http://www.vnunet.com/vnunet/news/2197849/radio-ipods-expected-wednesday) a "reliable industry insider" and claims that Apple's new iPods will be able to receive digital radio and include a "buy-now" function that will allow the user to download and buy tracks as they are being played.

Vnunet's accuracy is unknown, but there have been whispers of wireless/radio integration into the new iPods, but the exact implementation has been unknown.

Article Link (http://www.macrumors.com/2007/09/03/apple-to-unveil-new-flash-based-ipods-digital-radio/)


Hey arn- I posted this an hour ago re: digital radio.. how about throwing a little love here.

sminman
Sep 3, 2007, 10:52 AM
But why would ya need a kiosk? Most Airports I been too lately offer a free WiFi connection. :confused:

True, but you have to have your laptop out and pay for the Wi-Fi ( in most airports) and you would have to have all your docking cables out.

What a cluster...

I would like to just walk by a iTunes kiosk and dock my iPhone real quick and then be on my way.

The movie or song would also be sent to your home computer or where ever your iTunes account is set up so you won't loose that purchase in case your iPhone or iPod breaks or gets stolen.

vendettabass
Sep 3, 2007, 10:53 AM
16GB flash iPod would suit me pretty perfectly... imagine that battery life :D

imcquill
Sep 3, 2007, 10:54 AM
internet radio over wifi with a 'buy' button would be great for indie-artists. I bet the major labels won't be happy with that. First, they became unnecessary for distribution, and now, promotion and advertising.

zflauaus
Sep 3, 2007, 10:55 AM
I think Apple would basically be committing suicide if they go all flash for the new iPod touch. Some people don't want just a few gigabytes of storage in their high end iPod that they could just get in a nano. I don't that even if they went with the high end of flash capacity it would be good simply because they are basically just duplicating the last gen iPod in terms of storage.

I can maybe see flash for the low end (and that's a BIG maybe) and a hard drive for the higher end, but nothing strictly flash.

Wayfarer
Sep 3, 2007, 10:55 AM
I am afraid that the only wifi we will see in this iPod will be to access iTunes, so you can spend even more money. No safari... no email.... wifi is for Apple to make sales of music, not for the user. Apple will piss a lot of people off if they only allow wifi for itunes.

Anyone really need another way to buy music? At some point, don't we just want to spend money and listen to our music... not spend money so we can be sold more music via wifi?

I don't think a lot of people will be pissed off. The iPod is meant to be music player, not an internet browser. That makes more sense for the iPhone, not the iPod. Other than that, Wi-fi also be used for over-the-air music synching. Someone on here even previously suggested a "What am I listening to" thing could be added so you could connect with others near you.

The iPod keeps getting better with each iteration. Apple won't disappoint.

MLeepson
Sep 3, 2007, 10:55 AM
I would rather see Apple announce kiosk's then a radio function on an iPod.

Just think how cool that would be, you are at the airport about to catch a flight, you see an iTunes kiosk and go over and dock your iPhone or iPod and then download a movie or two for the flight.

Genius... I hope this becomes reality.

Sam

I agree, it's genius. If that's that's real they should also make charing stations, too.
I seen them made by the same people who make StarteCarte.

arpeggi.
Sep 3, 2007, 10:55 AM
So, if this is true, I am soooo buying this asap!!! Long awaited!

But, if the wifi is only for the iTunes store, that is a little sad. Apple please don't limit it! Then again, someone will hack it if so (hopefully it won't blow up like that chaps!!!)

Mgkwho
Sep 3, 2007, 10:55 AM
Flash will keep it thin, but not as high a capacity. So I hope not.

This radio thing sounds great- finally we can listen to radio! Though I hope it's not just through wifi, 'cause that would suck.

And where's the bluetooth?

-=|Mgkwho

JCC
Sep 3, 2007, 10:56 AM
1.8" SSDs are at 64GB, so it could be possible that Apple would drop HDDs, however the price per GB is probably really high (though I can't seem to find a list price).

According to http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/04/sandisk-announces-32gb-ssd-prices-begin-to-fall/ , a 32GB SSD "could increase the end-user price by 'around $600' when released in laptops [sic] computers in the first half of 2007."

Prices may have dropped some by now. Even so, that still makes a 64GB flash based iPod mighty expensive. (I, personally, was hoping for 100GB or 120GB iPod. That's unlikely if Apple really has switched to an all flash line-up.)

zub3qin
Sep 3, 2007, 10:57 AM
I don't think a lot of people will be pissed off. The iPod is meant to be music player, not an internet browser. That makes more sense for the iPhone, not the iPod. Other than that, Wi-fi also be used for over-the-air music synching. Someone on here even previously suggested a "What am I listening to" thing could be added so you could connect with others near you.

The iPod keeps getting better with each iteration. Apple won't disappoint.

If Apple uses wifi for connecting with nearby ipod users, and adds a radio, Microsoft should do a "Cupertino, start your photocopiers ad". This will be a Zune with coverflow. My Creative Zen from 3 years ago had a radio, played video (avi, mpg, divx, mp4, mp3, ogg, etc) had a built-in recorder. Apple needs to revolutionize, not copy.

Apple BETTER NOT disappoint us with crippled wifi and a radio. Give us a phoneless- iPhone.

sushi
Sep 3, 2007, 10:57 AM
Some people don't want just a few gigabytes of storage in their high end iPod that they could just get in a nano.
Especially now with the larger capacity 1.8 HDs that are available.

zap2
Sep 3, 2007, 10:58 AM
I hope so!


I'd love to buy music on the go...or anywhere with my iPhone!

majordude
Sep 3, 2007, 10:58 AM
Flash + Wi-fi + Digital Radio = teh ultimate hotness.

Price? $399.

kbrain2929
Sep 3, 2007, 10:59 AM
According to http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/04/sandisk-announces-32gb-ssd-prices-begin-to-fall/ , a 32GB SSD "could increase the end-user price by 'around $600' when released in laptops [sic] computers in the first half of 2007."

Prices may have dropped some by now. Even so, that still makes a 64GB flash based iPod mighty expensive. (I, personally, was hoping for 100GB or 120GB iPod. That's unlikely if Apple really has switched to an all flash line-up.)

Phew... ouch! Adding $600 to a flash based iPod touch would be crazy.I mean, it IS an iPod, and it WILL sale, but I feel like a $600 price jump may hurt Apple in unimaginable ways. :apple:

kbrain2929
Sep 3, 2007, 11:00 AM
Especially now with the larger capacity 1.8 HDs that are available.

That's what I thought we would see in the new iPods's, the tiny, yet HUGE HD. :apple:

Iced Angel
Sep 3, 2007, 11:05 AM
apple please ... same price as current iPod video
(i know it's impossible though )

Richard Jones
Sep 3, 2007, 11:09 AM
I don't believe that there won't be any models with a hard drive in them.

If Apple does move entirely to Flash, they'll have to find a way to make a 128GB model, and that would be way too expensive for them.

But it does say "High Storage Capacity" in the article.

10th Wonder
Sep 3, 2007, 11:12 AM
I would rather see Apple announce kiosk's then a radio function on an iPod.

Just think how cool that would be, you are at the airport about to catch a flight, you see an iTunes kiosk and go over and dock your iPhone or iPod and then download a movie or two for the flight.

Genius... I hope this becomes reality.

Sam


I believe this is what he was talking about from BGR....

http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2007/09/03/apple-set-to-unveil-itunes-kiosks/

These sorts of rumors are inevitable in the days leading up to a big Apple event, so take them with a grain of salt. Rumblings in the cyber jungle point to Apple unveiling some iTunes kiosks in major retail centers. These new kiosks will sport iPod and iPhone docks that will allow you to execute any number of iTunes-related tasks. Among which include software/firmware updates, music, movie, and TV Show downloads and purchases, and gift card purchases. The kiosks will allow 1 full minute of content sampling, as opposed to the current 30 second limit in the consumer version of iTunes. Sounds pretty dope, right? The real kicker here, however, is that these kiosks are rumored to include to form of touchscreen interface. As this will be an Apple sourced product, will these stations mark the arrival of some sort of Apple tablet technology? Stranger things have happened, we suppose. There are, of course, a number of logistic-related questions here, including potential syncing issues and the question whether you would be able to re-download the content onto your home machine without paying for it again. All will be answered, or proven wrong, in three short days.

http://www.boygeniusreport.com/wp-content/uploads/image/applekiosk.jpg

GravityEyes
Sep 3, 2007, 11:14 AM
If Apple uses wifi for connecting with nearby ipod users, and adds a radio, Microsoft should do a "Cupertino, start your photocopiers ad". This will be a Zune with coverflow. My Creative Zen from 3 years ago had a radio, played video (avi, mpg, divx, mp4, mp3, ogg, etc) had a built-in recorder. Apple needs to revolutionize, not copy.

Apple BETTER NOT disappoint us with crippled wifi and a radio. Give us a phoneless- iPhone.

yeah... Whatever! The iPhone WILL continue to be their flagship handheld device. The iPod IS a media player, NOT a communicator - you want web/email ? Get an iPhone . Period.

4np
Sep 3, 2007, 11:14 AM
Sounds good if 'high capacity' and 'NAND flash instead of harddisk' will also result in at least 80GB of space... Of course I'd rather see flash in there than a harddrive as it, due to the lack of moving parts, uses less power (and hence saves battery) and is less prone to possible 'crashes' (like dropping your iPod). But I am afraid (a minimum of) 80Gb of NAND will still be too expensive for an high end iPod, and I was actually hoping for more storage.

Flash is the future but I don't know if the future is now ;)

but, if they can add that amount of flash to an iPod, what holds them back from adding it to an iPhone as well?

Loge
Sep 3, 2007, 11:15 AM
I hope this is false. It would be a big drop in storage for those with 60/80 GB models. And the digital radio would probably be US only.

DTphonehome
Sep 3, 2007, 11:19 AM
Digitimes is ALWAYS wrong. Like 10 times in a row - and this time too. VU...more like they've heard whispers. Not this time - maybe in a year

What are you talking about? They did predict the Powerbook G5! :D

blastfamy
Sep 3, 2007, 11:21 AM
The iPhone is a communication tool. The iPod is a media player. Please do not get the two confused. It makes no business sense to make a phoneless phone. Apple WILL NOT put Safari and other iPhone functionality in the 6G iPod. It would go no where. This is not to say that I would not like them to do so, but I just cannot see them basically copying the one device and making it into another.

If you want an iPhone, buy it. Then wait until the unlock methods go public and just unlock it. I am so tired of people griping over how they want an iPhone without the phone.

The iTS over wifi makes sense, as well as sharing via wifi. I think they could do it like they do library sharing on iTunes, where you can choose to make your library public and people can stream from your iPod. Just what ever you do, give it a better name (Squirt!?! COME ON)!

ogun7
Sep 3, 2007, 11:21 AM
I guess this is the upgrade to iTunes 8. Chairman Steve mentioned working on a wireless iTunes option at the All Things Digital conference

kbrain2929
Sep 3, 2007, 11:29 AM
I guess this is the upgrade to iTunes 8. Chairman Steve mentioned working on a wireless iTunes option at the All Things Digital conference

Truthfully... sounds like you may be on to something! Let's just hope that it's true! :apple:

(On a personal note: For Labor Day... I would have thought that there would be tons more users on!)

fastbite
Sep 3, 2007, 11:30 AM
New nanos, refreshed shuffles, new iPod, new iPod Touch, Kiosks to sell content, ring tones, movie rentals, OSX everywhere, and now digital radio and "buy-now" function? well, It all sounds great, and I hope for the lot, but...

bankshot
Sep 3, 2007, 11:31 AM
The one and only feature I'd like to see in the new iPod is the ability to play music wirelessly to nearby speakers. Bluetooth or whatever. This would be excellent for using it in a car. Imagine getting into your car and never taking the iPod out of your pocket. It syncs up with the car's Bluetooth-capable stereo and begins playing. And of course like my iPod-compatible JVC stereo (http://mobile.jvc.com/product.jsp?modelId=MODL027882&pathId=54&page=1), it should also show track info on the car's display and use the car's buttons to control the iPod.

We just bought a new car the other day with one of those "intelligent key" systems - you open the door and turn on the car without ever touching the key or taking it out of your pocket. It just has to be on your person. Really convenient. That reminded me of the upcoming iPod refresh. I believe the technology is there to do this now. It would be excellent to see it happen in this coming generation, or hopefully no later than the one after it. Are you "listening," Apple?

BKKbill
Sep 3, 2007, 11:32 AM
Flash will keep it thin, but not as high a capacity. So I hope not.

This radio thing sounds great- finally we can listen to radio! Though I hope it's not just through wifi, 'cause that would suck.

And where's the bluetooth?

-=|Mgkwho

Flash based storage = battery life. Radio why I can still remember radio. Used to listen to it back in the day.

kbrain2929
Sep 3, 2007, 11:34 AM
The one and only feature I'd like to see in the new iPod is the ability to play music wirelessly to nearby speakers. Bluetooth or whatever. This would be excellent for using it in a car. Imagine getting into your car and never taking the iPod out of your pocket. It syncs up with the car's Bluetooth-capable stereo and begins playing. And of course like my iPod-compatible JVC stereo (http://mobile.jvc.com/product.jsp?modelId=MODL027882&pathId=54&page=1), it should also show track info on the car's display and use the car's buttons to control the iPod.

We just bought a new car the other day with one of those "intelligent key" systems - you open the door and turn on the car without ever touching the key or taking it out of your pocket. It just has to be on your person. Really convenient. That reminded me of the upcoming iPod refresh. I believe the technology is there to do this now. It would be excellent to see it happen in this coming generation, or hopefully no later than the one after it. Are you "listening," Apple?

Or what about something like an FM transmitter. Just something simple that could be useful! :apple:

currentinterest
Sep 3, 2007, 11:41 AM
I mentioned this in an earlier post. At the last conference call where Apple gave, once again, conservative guidance, the reason cited was that the company was introducing "transition" products. My guess at that time, and now is that it means transitioning to all flash based product line, even if the capacity is only 16, possibly 32 GB of storage. This may result in lower margins for Apple as well as a loss in sales to those wanting more capacity, hence the caution if forecasting the quarter. There may be one top end HD model in the $399 to $449 price range. If there is, it will likely be the last one.

Sean7512
Sep 3, 2007, 11:41 AM
If they do add wireless iTS buying to the iPod, then they need to ship out a software update for iPhone and Apple TV that will allow the same functionality...

BoyBach
Sep 3, 2007, 11:43 AM
All of those hard-working engineers and factory personnel in China must be heartbroken to have lost this contract to Tawiwan. :(


How many more people are going to completely misunderstand/misread this post?

:rolleyes:

redfirebird08
Sep 3, 2007, 11:44 AM
If they're moving to flash then I'll be waiting for the price on flash to come down and a REAL iPod to come out next year or the year after. I want 100+ gigs of storage, not 30 or 60. I have a 30 gig iPod Photo already and there's no reason for me to upgrade to something that doesn't offer me the ability to put a ton of music and movies on the device. Flash is currently way too expensive per gig vs. what hard drive offers.

Cloudane
Sep 3, 2007, 11:45 AM
I still refuse to believe the "all flash storage" thing. It'd be a big step down in terms of storage, half their entire customer base would be pissed off. Either that or they'd somehow manage an 80GB flash (an industry first), and it'd cost an absolute fortune.

Radio/Buy-Now I can sort of believe, but not actual radio in terms of HD Radio (which would piss off the Europeans) or DAB Radio (which would piss off the Americans) or a combo (which would complicate the device and be difficult to manufacture). Internet Radio, i.e. live podcasts over Wifi? Yes, absolutely. I've seen and used desk-based Wifi internet radios and they're brilliant - a handheld one would rock bigtime. Then a buy-it-now button which lets you buy the song currently playing on the podcast and download it straight to the iPod (assuming the station supports it?) Certainly, great idea.

Whether they do a phoneless iPhone... well, we'll see. I still think that yes, there's enough demand for them to do one, at a high price so that it doesn't interfere with iPhone profits.

Grimace
Sep 3, 2007, 11:46 AM
I could see all of the models going to flash but Apple leaving the current iPods available for those who want a ton of space (at least for a while.)

16GB Touch - $299
32GB Touch - $399

60GB Video - $299
120GB Video - $399

Richard Jones
Sep 3, 2007, 11:46 AM
I'll just buy an iPhone if the iPods top out at 32GB. :confused:

WaxTheories
Sep 3, 2007, 11:50 AM
I would be very surprised if Apple put flash memory in the iPod video (IE: The high-end iPod). A 64gb SSD retails for $1300 on Newegg... a 32gb SSD retails for at least $400... putting anything less than 32gb in the new iPod would be a step down from what they currently offer.

A 32gb SSD MIGHT be possible on the lowest level iPod video... just because it would obviously be cheaper for Apple if they were to buy in mass quantities. However, Apple's not going to ditch the large part of their market that is looking forward to a >80gb iPod. In my opinion, anyways.

Actually I thought the theory of four new iPod models had some serious merit. Possibly the iPod Touch, the iPod Video ("fatpod"), an ipod similar to the current nano aimed at the fitness market, and something equivalent to the ipod shuffle. We'll see on Wednesday I guess.

motulist
Sep 3, 2007, 11:52 AM
Apple BETTER NOT disappoint us with crippled wifi and a radio. Give us a phoneless- iPhone.

Are you on crack? iPod is for media, iPhone is for communication.

You think the only thing people are paying extra for in the iPhone is the cell phone capability? Of course not. People paying the premium for an iPhone are buying it for the cell phone capabilities and the internet capabilities like web browsing and email, etc. For the next couple of years there's absolutely no chance that Apple will be releasing an iPod that can do general internet duties.

Random Ping
Sep 3, 2007, 12:01 PM
iPod is for media, iPhone is for communication.

While I would love to have a full iPhone without the cellphone part, I agree with motulist. Apple has generally done a pretty good job of differentiating product groups. Apple probably doesn't want to blur the lines too much between the iPhone and the iPod.

Derwood
Sep 3, 2007, 12:03 PM
...could be really interesting. Much more choice for the user than across traditional FM/AM services (in the UK at least). If the iTunes store tie-in is tidily done (i.e. download a song immediately if connected to WLAN, or to queue and download at first available opportunity either on connection to WLAN or on syncing with Mac), then this could be rocket-fuel for iTunes music sales.

If the DAB stuff is intended to encourage iTunes music sales then we will at some stage, although possibly not on the 5th, see this trickle down into the Nano.

To offer DAB functionality could also be a sweetener to offset the smaller storage capacities if the anticipated transition to NAND Flash does transpire.

thomasfxlt
Sep 3, 2007, 12:04 PM
You're probably right (for now). Don't be surprised to see Apple implement something from the Cisco settlement in a future handheld. VOIP on a wifi enabled handheld could be very compelling.

Boulderer2001
Sep 3, 2007, 12:04 PM
I want to upgrade but not if they use flash memory. With the push of Apple towards T.V. shows and movies, I need a lot of space. I am hoping for at least 160gb maybe even 300gb of space.

Taylor C
Sep 3, 2007, 12:05 PM
The iPhone is for communication and media.

penguy
Sep 3, 2007, 12:06 PM
I'm sure this has been discussed, but does anyone know what portion of total iPod sales are represented by the 80 gb models? My guess is it is pretty small compared to the Nano/Mini/Shuffle and even 30 gb models. They could keep something in the 80 or even 120 gb range in a 5.5 model with the new touch at a max of 32gb and still sell a ton...until the shear numbers drive flash prices down further.

AJL23
Sep 3, 2007, 12:06 PM
I'd predict a hybrid. Flash drives aren't large enough and hard drives are too slow, so why not a small flash drive, maybe 128mb, for system software, and a hard drive for media storage. It would be a lot better - no waiting to boot from the hard drive, and it only spins up to play media, not when it's using other apps like iCal, Address Book, etc.

Random Ping
Sep 3, 2007, 12:08 PM
I saw a media player the other day that had bluetooth, so when you got a call on your cellphone you could leave the cellphone in your pocket and answer it via your media player.

While I doubt that Apple would do this (because it blurs the line between iPod and iPhone), I think it would be a nice feature: a wide-screen, touch-screen video iPod that can make/receive calls through your existing cellphone via bluetooth.

knelto
Sep 3, 2007, 12:08 PM
[QUOTE=currentinterest;4124723]I mentioned this in an earlier post. At the last conference call where Apple gave, once again, conservative guidance, the reason cited was that the company was introducing "transition" products. QUOTE]

That was one of a few reasons given. The "product transition" could be/could have been anything. It could be that they were transitioning from using plastic in the iMac to aluminum and glass. It could be that they are transitioning from the old iPod interface to a new one. It was intentionally very vague.

bdj21ya
Sep 3, 2007, 12:09 PM
You're probably right (for now). Don't be surprised to see Apple implement something from the Cisco settlement in a future handheld. VOIP on a wifi enabled handheld could be very compelling.

I think their non-competition clause with AT&T will prevent us from seeing any Apple VOIP handhelds anytime in the next few years.

motulist
Sep 3, 2007, 12:10 PM
I want to upgrade but not if they use flash memory. With the push of Apple towards T.V. shows and movies, I need a lot of space. I am hoping for at least 160gb maybe even 300gb of space.

300 gb would be approximately a 380% increase in storage capacity over the current high end iPod's capacity right now. I don't think the max iPod capacity has ever jumped up more than about 200 something %. So don't hold your breath.

mattj10
Sep 3, 2007, 12:12 PM
What about this.........

A 32g flash version promoting a slimmer profile and longer battery life

And a 100+ hdd based for more storage.... at the same price of say.. $399?

The cost of making either would have to be similar and it gives consumers an option based on their needs.

rbroady
Sep 3, 2007, 12:13 PM
as long as its wifi capable.....

im sure some hackers and programers will but out a web browser, it can def be done.

fastbite
Sep 3, 2007, 12:13 PM
I want to upgrade but not if they use flash memory. With the push of Apple towards T.V. shows and movies, I need a lot of space. I am hoping for at least 160gb maybe even 300gb of space.

The only problem that flash memory creates is the need of managing your media, deciding what you want to carry with you rather than carrying the full bucket. but the advantages may make it worth it.

i0Nic
Sep 3, 2007, 12:20 PM
I would be all over a 32gb flash ipod touch, but I think Apple would need some serious skills to be able to afford to put a 32gb NAND into an ipod costing less than $500.

A 16gb ipod touch just won't do.

However, mac os in a media player with a hard drive could be prone to low battery life, long loading times, and just feel a bit unresponsive compared to flash.

I can see why Apple would do this, as a kind of transitional product on the way to 32gb and 64gb NAND drives. I wouldn't have thought they would do this, but I read that 85% of ipod sales are for models that are flash based, so that's only 15% of people buying hard drive based ipods. Not sure how accurate that stat is but if it's true, Apple may be sacrificing some of it's market to improve the ipod experience for the rest of it's market (the vast majority). It would also give Apple a nice uniform platform over all 4 of it's main product lines, without having to deal with many repairs of failed hard drives, bad reports of low battery life, slowness etc.

I can see Steve Jobs talking about how flash is the future, the improvements over hard drives are vast, how iTunes 8 will make it easier to load your music/video with smart playlists so you only have what you truly need on there. The sweetener as someone mentioned could very well be the digital radio, as it will allow users a lot more content to listen to without needing to store it onto your player.

It's interesting stuff to ponder, at least we don't have to wait too long now for the announcement.

nemaslov
Sep 3, 2007, 12:22 PM
that doesn't sound good for those of us who want (need) 120 or 160GB for our music collections....

DTphonehome
Sep 3, 2007, 12:26 PM
300 gb would be approximately a 380% increase in storage capacity over the current high end iPod's capacity right now. I don't think the max iPod capacity has ever jumped up more than about 200 something %. So don't hold your breath.

Not only that, 300 GB 1.8" drives don't exist. Didn't someone recently announce 160 GB drives? That would be the max used in the iPod touch, if they even go that far.

DTphonehome
Sep 3, 2007, 12:27 PM
that doesn't sound good for those of us who want (need) 120 or 160GB for our music collections....

Forget 160 GB, those drives don't exist in 1.8" form.

EDIT, nevermind, they do exist.

i0Nic
Sep 3, 2007, 12:32 PM
Also, Creative just dropped their only hard drive based player and now have an all flash lineup up to 16gb. Could we see the same happen with the iPod?

P.B.
Sep 3, 2007, 12:33 PM
As the current iPods have two different sizes (not only in storage but also in physical appaerance):
Are there 80 or even 100+ GB HDDs by now that are as thin as the 30GB of the 5G iPod?
How big are the HDDs themselves? Is there any space left to make HDD-based iPods any smaller? What HDDs were used in the iPod minis? How big could a iPod mini HDD be by now?
I'm personally looking for a HDD-based iPod with at least 80GB.
I don't care for WiFi or other features expect Music since I'm planning to buy an iPhone when it arrives in Europe anyway. But it'd really love a smaller form factor.

bmustaf
Sep 3, 2007, 12:37 PM
iPod sync over WiFi would be nice, I know this is a niche application, but would be pretty neat.

I have a 2006 Benz, with the iPod kit. I keep my iPod in my car all the time, it's hooked into the iPod connector in the glove box (read: always powered). It would be so nice if when I parked the car (or came in range of my home WiFi network) that it'd connect up and sync with my iTunes Library over WiFi. The killer app in this would be my Podcasts of the radio shows I listen to would be synced by the time I got up and headed out for work every morning...

Right now I have to go grab the iPod, hook it up, and bring it back to the car, THE HORROR :).

thopter
Sep 3, 2007, 12:51 PM
I would think that an available capacity of at least 32GB would be needed in order to transition the full size iPod lineup to flash only. I'd hit that.

I wouldn't mind seeing an improved version of the iPod Hi-Fi boombox either.

rockthecasbah
Sep 3, 2007, 01:01 PM
Touch control? Yes please. Flash? No thank you. Capacity is just too limited and costs are too high right now for a flagship model to adopt it. One or two years down the road i could see it, but the time isn't right.

EDIT: Now if the flash were for the fatPod/Video line, that may be a possibility. The Touch may be its own line for all we know, and in that case Flash would make sense.

twoodcc
Sep 3, 2007, 01:03 PM
well i hope that these rumors are true. but i'd like to think they have to keep a bigger hard-drive version or something

i0Nic
Sep 3, 2007, 01:03 PM
heh how would they market a low capacity video ipod to people who want to fit the entire collection of music, videos and pics?

The new iPod touch - Less is More...
More battery life
More reliability
More features
..Less loading

I think Apple are itching to transition to an all flash line up. Think of the amount of repairs they have to perform on dead hard drives and complaints that arise from that. Not to mention dealing with battery life and loading etc which would be made much worse by having an iPod with a stronger feature set and a solid operating system on the player.

A 16gb video ipod, however, is still too small in capacity. Two 16gb flash drives daisy chained together might be the answer if 32gb NAND prices are too high and cannot be leveraged.

nemaslov
Sep 3, 2007, 01:04 PM
Yes they do make a 160GB drives.

But there are alot of people who use their iPods, not as portables , but to have their entire music with them in offices, studios (at work), bars and restuarants, second homes, travel, hotels etc. and want a large HD. They don't run with them so flash portability is not an issue. They have them hooked into stereo styems, etc.

Not to release anything bigger than the 80GB would be a shame. I'd even fo for the same design just with a bigger drive.

MacRumorUser
Sep 3, 2007, 01:14 PM
Thast my biggest worry, if were loosing 20-50 of hd space for a 16 or 8 gb ipod, im taking the 5g one.

I agree. I want a HD based ipod. I like having all my music with me, and as I have two homes and venture between - its very convieniant for me.

I've bought every 'main' ipod since Rev 2. Even went to 5.5 generation just for the extra 20gb ontop of the 60gb 5g ipod I already had, which is now nearly full.

I really want a 120gb ipod. Period.

If Apple drops storage down to 8 or at a max 16gb with the new ipods, then this will be one update I will look elsewhere at.

RichP
Sep 3, 2007, 01:18 PM
Are you on crack? iPod is for media, iPhone is for communication.

You think the only thing people are paying extra for in the iPhone is the cell phone capability? Of course not. People paying the premium for an iPhone are buying it for the cell phone capabilities and the internet capabilities like web browsing and email, etc. For the next couple of years there's absolutely no chance that Apple will be releasing an iPod that can do general internet duties.

I agree, and dont understand why people think Apple is going to build a product that cannibalizes iphone sales. Also, keep in mind that chips that make an iphone a phone probably cost less than 5 dollars.

Dont hold your breath for a flash based Video iPod. The Video-Nano will play video and be flash. The full size iPod will still be HD based because the storage-to-cost ratio is still beneficial as such.

RichP
Sep 3, 2007, 01:21 PM
But there are alot of people who use their iPods, not as portables , but to have their entire music with them in offices, studios (at work), bars and restuarants, second homes, travel, hotels etc. and want a large HD. They don't run with them so flash portability is not an issue. They have them hooked into stereo styems, etc.


Exactly. Apple wants you to have the iPod at home, office and car. They want the iphone or Nano in your pocket, and a Shuffle for when you want to work out. Lowering the capacity of the iPod makes it compete with the iPhone, unless there is a HUGE difference in storage.

Cloudane
Sep 3, 2007, 01:23 PM
I can sum up why there won't be a complete transition to flash (yet) in just 5 words and they cover issues such as FM Radio too:

Apple do not go backwards.

The iPhone is for communication and media.

I've seen this product differentiation argument a few times now, and strangely, often in a very strong/forceful manner (in some cases plain rude e.g. "are you on crack"), almost as if people are *hoping* there won't be an iPhone-like device. Maybe some are undercover Apple employees trying to stop us getting our hopes up so much :p

The way I see it is, the idea is already out there and has been since the iPhone was even a rumour. If Apple don't make an all-in-one portable communications device without the phone built in (this rumoured iPod Touch), someone else will. Apple always seem the types to stay one step ahead, so it'd be a bit odd if they changed now.

...could be really interesting. Much more choice for the user than across traditional FM/AM services (in the UK at least). If the iTunes store tie-in is tidily done (i.e. download a song immediately if connected to WLAN, or to queue and download at first available opportunity either on connection to WLAN or on syncing with Mac), then this could be rocket-fuel for iTunes music sales.

If the DAB stuff is intended to encourage iTunes music sales then we will at some stage, although possibly not on the 5th, see this trickle down into the Nano.

To offer DAB functionality could also be a sweetener to offset the smaller storage capacities if the anticipated transition to NAND Flash does transpire.

I'm afraid if they *do* go for digital "over the air" radio rather than Wifi, it won't be DAB, or perhaps they'd do a European model with DAB later on but I think we'd be waiting 6+ months. The USA use a completely different system called HD Radio, so it'd be that.

However if there's a "Buy Now" feature then I'm pretty certain they're talking about Wifi and internet radio. Don't know about HDR, but DAB doesn't have any support for transmitting from the device (I guess that's kind of what you call a cellphone haha)

pcorajr
Sep 3, 2007, 01:39 PM
I cannot wait to see whats really going to be offered. I hate to get hyped up by these rumors but nothing would be better than been able to get and new touch Ipod to go with my New iMac.

I did not get the iPhone mainly due to the fact that it was out of my price range and also because I am a black berry user and the only need for mobile email access I have is for work which the iPhone does not support.

I would love to see an iPod that would have the WiFi functionaly f the iPhone. This would make it the ultimate Entertainment device.

newamiga
Sep 3, 2007, 01:40 PM
Guys,
I think the radio thing may have some truth to it, but may be related to another capability. Sonos recently added the capability to stream Sirius radio over their whole house music system. What is the killer app in the Sonos? The remote. What does the iPod video deliver, the remote, tie that to AppleTV and you have a really interesting Sonos killer. Not only could the iPod control the Apple TV with full coverflow album art, but it could also cue up and control videos. You could imaging sharing tunes from an iPod just as you can from up to 5 other Apple devices to AppleTV. This opens up the possibility of sharing a persons iPod wirelessly and seamlessly with someone's AppleTV. The whole radio thing might provide the ability to wirelessly control internet radio streaming over either AppleTV or iPod, just like Sonos.

Just a thought.

Scottuary
Sep 3, 2007, 01:44 PM
Touch control? Yes please. Flash? No thank you. Capacity is just too limited and costs are too high right now for a flagship model to adopt it. One or two years down the road i could see it, but the time isn't right.

EDIT: Now if the flash were for the fatPod/Video line, that may be a possibility. The Touch may be its own line for all we know, and in that case Flash would make sense.

My theory is that an HDD multi-touch iPod would not meet Apple's standards of a consumer experiences. I think the multi-touch interface has high demands on response time and battery life. And with the moving parts of a HDD, you just can't achieve good response time and battery life that wouldn't hinder the consumer experience. Therefore, a flash based system is needed for iPod Touch... unfortunately.

This causes people a dilemma, like myself. I own a 30GB 5G iPod. Say they come out with a 16GB or 32GB flash based multi-touch iPod. Do I drop $400 on the new iPod that only gives me 2 more GBs and a new interface? Probably not worth it... (I'm not saying I won't do it.. haha)

aswitcher
Sep 3, 2007, 01:44 PM
I could see all of the models going to flash but Apple leaving the current iPods available for those who want a ton of space (at least for a while.)

16GB Touch - $299
32GB Touch - $399

60GB Video - $299
120GB Video - $399

I could live with that.

aswitcher
Sep 3, 2007, 01:47 PM
My theory is that an HDD multi-touch iPod would not meet Apple's standards of a consumer experiences. I think the multi-touch interface has high demands on response time and battery life. And with the moving parts of a HDD, you just can't achieve good response time and battery life that wouldn't hinder the consumer experience. Therefore, a flash based system is needed for iPod Touch... unfortunately.



Agreed. A HDD cant possibly provide the same speed unless they put a lot of ram in the thing and keep all the album art etc in it.

jockmock
Sep 3, 2007, 01:48 PM
It would be so ****ed up of them to go all flash right now, especially now when higher and higher quality of audio and video are offered in iTunes. I store all my music in Apple Lossless or Flac, and I need the space. If only Flash-pods are released, then they have to introduce on-the-fly converting to other formats as well. Here's one who would wait for the Cowon X7 otherwise, which arrives in January. My music collection is about 100gb and I'm tired of choosing new music to put on my mp3 player every other day.
Flac support in iTunes would be nice as well. Then I wouldn't have to convert my whole library.

Edit: 16gb is only about 900 songs in Lossless. waaaay to small space

Derwood
Sep 3, 2007, 01:49 PM
I'm afraid if they *do* go for digital "over the air" radio rather than Wifi, it won't be DAB, or perhaps they'd do a European model with DAB later on but I think we'd be waiting 6+ months. The USA use a completely different system called HD Radio, so it'd be that.

My apologies. Didn't consider that we would be looking at a US based initial roll-out (a la iPhone).

However if there's a "Buy Now" feature then I'm pretty certain they're talking about Wifi and internet radio. Don't know about HDR, but DAB doesn't have any support for transmitting from the device (I guess that's kind of what you call a cellphone haha)

What I was thinking of wouldn't necessitate any transmission from the device. DAB programming can, and often does, include broadcast information such as track and artist, DJ and programme etc. When you select the "Buy It Now" option or equivalent the device would simply take note of the track and artist info and then attempt a Wi-Fi connection to the iTunes store. If there is no available Wi-Fi it will simply store the the info about your selected purchase until either you sync with your Mac or are in range of an available WLAN.

Virgil-TB2
Sep 3, 2007, 01:55 PM
You know... I thought about that, and it seems like a REALLY good idea. Or what about a mall or music store... you hear a new song, really like it, go over to the kiosk, hook it up, or even use WiFi securely, and, as Steve would say, BOOM!. Not a bad idea. I may have to run a mockup through Photoshop and see what I come out with.If you think about it, the "kiosk" rumour and the "WiFi" rumour are mutually incompatible.

If the thing has WiFi built in then you would connect to the Apple iTunes store from the device as usual, so why bother with kiosks? The possibility that the new iPods *won't* have WiFi is also enhanced by the fact that Steve Jobs specifically and very recently (I think in his last public appearance), has said that people don't want to do that and would rather buy the music on their PC's and keep it in one place (iTunes).

If on the other hand the "radio" rumour is a garbled account of the new "Kleer" (http://www.kleer.com) radio technology, which is short range but higher quality and throughput, then the kiosks make excellent sense again. It also makes sense to throw in some digital HD radio stations on the kiosks.

The Kleer technology married with a touch-screen iPod, and some kiosks in StarBucks and BestBuy, is so compelling that I sure hope they *are* doing this. It's a sure-fire opportunity for Microsoft if Apple fails to implement it first.

R.Youden
Sep 3, 2007, 02:05 PM
I don't know if I am correct, but...

In the US don't you use satellite radio rather than digital radio? In the UK digital radio is starting to take off but I thought the protocol was different in the US.

This is one of the main reasons why we don't see a mac video recorder, the difference between TV sources are very different all over the world.

If I am totally wrong, ignore that rubbish!

triscuitbiscuit
Sep 3, 2007, 02:08 PM
I don't know if I am correct, but...

In the US don't you use satellite radio rather than digital radio? In the UK digital radio is starting to take off but I thought the protocol was different in the US.

This is one of the main reasons why we don't see a mac video recorder, the difference between TV sources are very different all over the world.

If I am totally wrong, ignore that rubbish!

No, HD Radio is non-fee based and then there is Satellite radio that is fee based.
Two completely different user experiences also.

R.Youden
Sep 3, 2007, 02:09 PM
No, HD Radio is non-fee based and then there is Satellite radio that is fee based.
Two completely different user experiences also.

Oh OK, at least I wasn't talking absolute rubbish!

Thanks for clearing that up.

Soundburst
Sep 3, 2007, 02:13 PM
Check this out.

New iPod nano?

http://www.gearlive.com/news/article/q307-leaked-images-of-new-3rd-gen-ipod-nano/

boby17
Sep 3, 2007, 02:16 PM
http://all-ipod-news.blogspot.com/2007/09/radio-ipods-expected-on-wednesday.html

BrainDonor
Sep 3, 2007, 02:27 PM
Yes, you are correct, but the Flash size will be 4GB


I'd predict a hybrid. Flash drives aren't large enough and hard drives are too slow, so why not a small flash drive, maybe 128mb, for system software, and a hard drive for media storage. It would be a lot better - no waiting to boot from the hard drive, and it only spins up to play media, not when it's using other apps like iCal, Address Book, etc.

New Gen6 Ipod = Iphone - Phone + Harddrive + Bluetooth

Active playlist is in Flash, Non-Active Playlists are on Harddrive, Harddrive usage minimized, Battery life is maximized. ;)

marcateyou
Sep 3, 2007, 02:31 PM
Check this out.

New iPod nano?

http://www.gearlive.com/news/article/q307-leaked-images-of-new-3rd-gen-ipod-nano/

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1298/1313283345_68912b1d77.jpg Minorly photoshopped to show how fake this picture is. Check out the forums a bit before posting old news also.

cr0nite
Sep 3, 2007, 02:34 PM
Remember this DigiTimes rumor? (http://www.engadget.com/2007/08/07/latest-ipods-to-be-flash-based-only-up-to-16gb/)
Engadget says: "Taiwanese paper DigiTimes put out a report (read: rumor) on this year's iPod line (supposedly due this September), which is said to be primarily flash based (up to 16GB), eschewing hard drives entirely."

tek
Sep 3, 2007, 02:35 PM
the ipod nanos are definitely coming. pricing data just appeared on my system at work. same price points. no sign of video ipods.

currentinterest
Sep 3, 2007, 02:37 PM
A hybrid top of the line iPod Touch would make sense. Apple, though, may simply bite the bullet and go all flash. Rumors have indicated 4 categories:

1. Shuffle

2. Nano Video (I think the old nano line will not be retained)

3. iPod Touch (NAND Flash)

4. Could be an HDD 120 GB iPod similar to 5.5; could be an iPhone Nano, Could simply refer to the iPhone, or....????

DonRivella
Sep 3, 2007, 03:12 PM
Please don't remove both HD and click wheel. I'd rather have a G5.5 iPod with 120 giga and improved battery life than a slightly modified iPhone. Better audio quality would be nice, too.

Cloudane
Sep 3, 2007, 03:25 PM
I do agree with the hybrid theory. Flash for the everyday "iPhone-like" usage and perhaps even cached copies of your most commonly played tunes (as well as the current album). This would save a lot of power. It could even store the index there so that you can browse around the songs without having to wind the HDD up. Then the HDD would wind up when you want to actually retrieve something.

We'll soon know :D But I do like that idea.

My theory is that an HDD multi-touch iPod would not meet Apple's standards of a consumer experiences. I think the multi-touch interface has high demands on response time and battery life. And with the moving parts of a HDD, you just can't achieve good response time and battery life that wouldn't hinder the consumer experience. Therefore, a flash based system is needed for iPod Touch... unfortunately.

Hmm, well the response time is nothing new as iPods have had HDDs for a long time and got on just fine ;) And the hybrid idea would help alleviate any UI latency when loading apps etc.

In terms of battery life, true... again this would be helped with some flash memory in addition to the HDD, plus don't forget people said the same about colour once. That's why I was happy to have the old mono Palm handheld and 3G iPod at the time even though the rest of the world was moving on :)

This time, perhaps it's Apple who are doing the "moving on" and pushing the boundaries again.

Multimedia
Sep 3, 2007, 03:38 PM
How can anyone get excited about a NAND only iPod? At most that would be a 32GB model instead of a 120GB one. I don't see it likely that the 120GB model would be axed from development for market this soon in the approaching but not yet ready for prime time NAND era. :rolleyes:

We need a large HD inside an iPhone like interface with a 640x360 screen (1/3 HD res). The Wi-Fi part would be a total bonus and a KILLER APP that would send sales through the roof and into outer space.

Oh, and we need a gapless 2GB Shuffle in the same package as the G2 Shuffle Clip. Those gaps in the current model are very annoying.

gugy
Sep 3, 2007, 03:43 PM
an iPod with max of 32gig is no good. I rather use the iPhone as media player then.
120gig is mandatory for our increasing media collection. 32gig is too little.

I would expect a hi-end version with 4" widescreen, 120gig and hopefully wi-fi. but I am not holding my breath for wi-fi.

Stridder44
Sep 3, 2007, 03:51 PM
I still don't buy the flash-only thing. It leaves those who like the high-capacity ipods without an option. I think more likely is a hybrid structure, with some models moving to flash, and some remaining HDD based... but this is just speculation.


Amen. Every time I see anything lower than 40 GB (not just including iPods) I can't help but laugh and feel pity.

Stella
Sep 3, 2007, 03:55 PM
Unfortunately, they would be offered in very few places, no doubt, only a handful of places in the states, so would be meaningless to the vast majority of iPod customers.

WIFI iPod would benefit customers much more.

I would rather see Apple announce kiosk's then a radio function on an iPod.

Just think how cool that would be, you are at the airport about to catch a flight, you see an iTunes kiosk and go over and dock your iPhone or iPod and then download a movie or two for the flight.

Genius... I hope this becomes reality.

Sam

gr8ful
Sep 3, 2007, 03:56 PM
I'm with you there.

My bet is that the Video iPod will be HD based.

I expect it will be a combination of HD with flash. Driving the large screen and a HD drains the battery, so I think they will use flash to fetch large chunks from the HD to minimize the battery drain.

This would make more sense to me and would not cut-off the users out there who need the higher capacity. Plus, I believe the new iPod Touch along with the iPhone is being set-up as the platform that will allow Apple to fully utilize OSX and roll-out mobile versions of iChat, iWork, etc.

MattG
Sep 3, 2007, 04:02 PM
Well then it'll be useless to me...I really hope this report is wrong. Looks like I'll be purchasing one of the current 80gb iPod Videos if the new iPod "Touch" is flash-based.

motulist
Sep 3, 2007, 04:09 PM
What I want to know is, why is this being announced on a wednesday? What happened to new-product tuesday?

bigpics
Sep 3, 2007, 04:10 PM
I'm with you there.

My bet is that the Video iPod will be HD based.
If iVieish minimalism takes away my ability to carry around my entire library (especially on a machine that begs for big video files), and the Mac Break Weekly panel's unanimous conclusion that the super duper smart play lists they nerd out on creating are the way "iPods were meant to be used," i.e., loaded, sucked dry and reloaded on a regular basis, is shared by those who actually work full-time in the meister's reality distortion field, it'll be a strategic misstep allowing competitors who think the 5.5 was slim enough to nibble on Apple's designer-obsessed heels.

When I'm in my car or dj'ing at a friend's house the last thing I want is 2/3 to 3/4 of my music collection back on my Mac, especially when with a few simply created playlists I have it all with me all the time, automatically charged in the car, and my podcasts on the shuffle that's already with me when I'm at my Mac, ready to reload.....

Except I have it on good authority this is all a smokescreen, and the BIG announcement of the day, so to speak, will be the "iPack," a backback with a terabyte HD, and wireless virtual reality glasses where you see horizon-filling videos and control the interface with eye blinks. The iPack will also have room for all the gear you need for a day trip, except in the special limited Drobo edition with optional wheeled battery cart.

MacFly123
Sep 3, 2007, 04:16 PM
Flash + Wi-fi + Digital Radio = teh ultimate hotness.

Enter new iPod revolution.

It says that as the songs play on the radio there would be a "Buy Now" option....... So your telling me if that is the case, I would have to listen to the radio and wait for the song I want to come on so I can buy it??? That would be the stupidest implementation of wireless purchasing I could ever think of. There is no way Apple would screw up that bad! Ever since I got my iPod radio has not even existed to me lol. Now they think I'm going to sit and wait for a song to come on to buy it? That is worthless, I would just get it on iTunes on my computer.

MacFly123
Sep 3, 2007, 04:22 PM
I am afraid that the only wifi we will see in this iPod will be to access iTunes, so you can spend even more money. No safari... no email.... wifi is for Apple to make sales of music, not for the user. Apple will piss a lot of people off if they only allow wifi for itunes.

Anyone really need another way to buy music? At some point, don't we just want to spend money and listen to our music... not spend money so we can be sold more music via wifi?

To offer anymore than that with wifi would be really stupid because it would really hurt the iPhone, can't you understand that from a business point of view???

ReanimationLP
Sep 3, 2007, 04:23 PM
I just wanna know how many times Steve says BOOM in this keynote. :D

thejadedmonkey
Sep 3, 2007, 04:23 PM
What I want to know is, why is this being announced on a wednesday? What happened to new-product tuesday?

I don't think that there's been a new product tuesday since the intel switch. Everything's been announced on a wednesday IIRC, and no one's seemed to notice this, or they just ignore it.

Cloudane
Sep 3, 2007, 04:24 PM
Enter new iPod revolution.

Ah - the iiPod ;)

MacFly123
Sep 3, 2007, 04:24 PM
How many people on here agree with me that any radio feature on the iPod is the stupidest, most worthless feature ever??? The reason I got a freaking iPod is because I hate the radio, and ever since I got an iPod the radio has never even existed to me lol. It's like including an 8-track player with the new iPod lol. Seriously... If someone really wants to listen to the radio go buy one of those little portable wireless radio gadgets for literally $2.00 because if that's what you want, you don't need an iPod.

thejadedmonkey
Sep 3, 2007, 04:25 PM
Ah - the iiPod ;)

Wouldn't that be with iPod Wii (I Pee Wee for short)?

NEENAHBOY
Sep 3, 2007, 04:27 PM
Unfortunately, they would be offered in very few places, no doubt, only a handful of places in the states, so would be meaningless to the vast majority of iPod customers.


Disagree. A good initial rollout would be small banks of units in select terminals in the nation's top ten airports. Already you're talking about several dozen.

Add at least one in every Apple Store (you really can't make these and NOT put them in an Apple Store), and you have quite a lot of units in some of the country's most convenient locations.

NEENAHBOY
Sep 3, 2007, 04:29 PM
What I want to know is, why is this being announced on a wednesday? What happened to new-product tuesday?

It's more than likely due to the holiday weekend.

JGF0x
Sep 3, 2007, 04:36 PM
Disagree. A good initial rollout would be small banks of units in select terminals in the nation's top ten airports. Already you're talking about several dozen.

Add at least one in every Apple Store (you really can't make these and NOT put them in an Apple Store), and you have quite a lot of units in some of the country's most convenient locations.

Where would they put them? All of the Apple Stores I've been to are pretty tight inside. Although the stores did recently change over from using set register positions to ringing credit card buyers up on the spot so maybe they'll remove the major register area in the store and use that for Apple kiosks. I still don't personally see the value in it (I've never walked through the mall and thought "Damn! I forgot that song on my iPod that I wanted. I'll be right back I'm going to download it at the Apple Store.") but maybe it'll be useful.

Compile 'em all
Sep 3, 2007, 04:38 PM
How can anyone get excited about a NAND only iPod? At most that would be a 32GB model instead of a 120GB one. I don't see it likely that the 120GB model would be axed from development for market this soon in the approaching but not yet ready for prime time NAND era. :rolleyes:

We need a large HD inside an iPhone like interface with a 640x360 screen (1/3 HD res

The problem is that having a large screen + a mechanical hard drive is the perfect formula to drain a battery as fast as you can. I personally believe that the iPod Touch or whatever it is going to be called will not have a hard drive.

Here is the new iPod line up to be expected:
- new iPod nano " the leaked ones"
- new iPod Touch "with 32 geg NAND"
- iPod video (same as current) with upgraded hard drives and updated firmware.

MacFly123
Sep 3, 2007, 04:38 PM
If Apple uses wifi for connecting with nearby ipod users, and adds a radio, Microsoft should do a "Cupertino, start your photocopiers ad". This will be a Zune with coverflow. My Creative Zen from 3 years ago had a radio, played video (avi, mpg, divx, mp4, mp3, ogg, etc) had a built-in recorder. Apple needs to revolutionize, not copy.

Apple BETTER NOT disappoint us with crippled wifi and a radio. Give us a phoneless- iPhone.

Dude, the future is about wireless, being able to buy a song wirelessly is a feature everyone wants and every gadget will have, its not really a copying issue. Apple will definitely implement it a LOT better though.

AND once and for all will you people freaking realize how stupid it is to expect a phoneless iPhone??? If they do that, they might as well proclaim the iPhone a failure right now, it would be suicide for the iPhone. The iPod is a digital media player.... The iPhone is a communications device, so if you want those features buy a damn iPhone and quit expecting Apple to make the stupidest business decision in history.

bc008
Sep 3, 2007, 04:40 PM
I agree, and dont understand why people think Apple is going to build a product that cannibalizes iphone sales. Also, keep in mind that chips that make an iphone a phone probably cost less than 5 dollars.

Dont hold your breath for a flash based Video iPod. The Video-Nano will play video and be flash. The full size iPod will still be HD based because the storage-to-cost ratio is still beneficial as such.

this is what i love to hear. if apple released a phoneless iphone, i would be devistated with my iphone.

Stella
Sep 3, 2007, 04:43 PM
But it won't be a good roll out. Initially, the states first, and then, maybe 12 months later will a select few other countries receive these units.

We see this over and over again.

Apple stores aren't in good locations in all countries, for example, 3 in Canada - Toronto only, none in Germany, 1 in Paris ( France), a few in the UK.

WIFI iPod would be prove to be far more beneficial to users, and more accessible.

Disagree. A good initial rollout would be small banks of units in select terminals in the nation's top ten airports. Already you're talking about several dozen.

Add at least one in every Apple Store (you really can't make these and NOT put them in an Apple Store), and you have quite a lot of units in some of the country's most convenient locations.

sblasl
Sep 3, 2007, 04:46 PM
My turn to speculate:

iPod Touch-Screen
120GB HDD
BlueTooth A2DP
WiFi to support the iTunes Music Store, iTunes Radio, & YouTube
There will be no Safari or internet access

Compile 'em all
Sep 3, 2007, 04:52 PM
My turn to speculate:

iPod Touch-Screen
120GB HDD
BlueTooth A2DP
WiFi to support the iTunes Music Store, iTunes Radio, & YouTube
There will be no Safari or internet access

Definitely NO youTube. When the iPhone was introduced, it was shown in the keynote as 3 separate devices merged into one; an iPod, a Phone, and an internet communicator. YouTube is part of the third, hence you won't see it in an iPod.

MacFly123
Sep 3, 2007, 04:52 PM
Or what about something like an FM transmitter. Just something simple that could be useful! :apple:

How about NO because those SUCK and are totally worthless.

MacFly123
Sep 3, 2007, 04:56 PM
I mentioned this in an earlier post. At the last conference call where Apple gave, once again, conservative guidance, the reason cited was that the company was introducing "transition" products. My guess at that time, and now is that it means transitioning to all flash based product line, even if the capacity is only 16, possibly 32 GB of storage. This may result in lower margins for Apple as well as a loss in sales to those wanting more capacity, hence the caution if forecasting the quarter. There may be one top end HD model in the $399 to $449 price range. If there is, it will likely be the last one.

I can understand that... Think about it, I understand that all you people with tons of media want lots of storage, but eventually Apple will switch to Flash, and Flash will never have the capacity of Hard Drives at a comparable price, so no matter when they switch you guys will want more and more... You will never be happy. Honestly, tell me I'm wrong ;)

slabwax
Sep 3, 2007, 05:00 PM
To offer anymore than that with wifi would be really stupid because it would really hurt the iPhone, can't you understand that from a business point of view???

It does not hurt I phone sales. If wifi is only for playing back audio/video on a home system via airport express or apple tv. Then safari needs a subscription type provider. Why can't AT&T sell two or three data only plans. They have the technology. I said this in another post. Apple did not spend all that
R & D money on one product that ONLY hi end AT&T users can buy and use. That is way too small of a market for that kind of investment. With a two or three year exclusive It's too small of a growth product. I don't think S.J. is that dumb. If the I phone was sold unlocked may be a different story. There are a lot of users who want a I phone but are not willing to change cell providers just for a phone any phone. But I'd pay $20-40 a month for internet access on a I pod type device. For some of us 8 gigs is not enough we need 80 plus so again that kind of out lay of cash for an 8 gig Iphone is a deal stopper. No buy!! What this mean is that there is at least two types of hi end apple user that needs (ok wants) a new hi end toy. Apple knows that also.

I'm done now
Dean

rbroady
Sep 3, 2007, 05:02 PM
Direct wifi connection from anywhere to your home computer would be sick.

Say you forgot to update a few things, go to a wi-fi hotspot, and you can update it from your computer at home, its almost like you have all your music with you.

Just give and take what you want as long as your receiving wi-fi, this almost goes hand in hand with the new direct-link to your computer capabilities on leopard

and if you have this option, whats the need for high capacity ipods? flash will do you perfectly as long as you can swap your music anytime you want.

djejrejk
Sep 3, 2007, 05:03 PM
Flash will never have the capacity of Hard Drives at a comparable price, so no matter when they switch you guys will want more and more... You will never be happy. Honestly, tell me I'm wrong ;)

Your wrong ;)

Maccus Aurelius
Sep 3, 2007, 05:06 PM
I think some people are dreaming just a tad too big with this 6G iPod? What more should we expect other than a slightly revamped interface, bigger storage and possibly better WiFi implementation. Seriously, my expectations are rather modest for this one. I don't expect much more than a possible *single input* touch screen (larger display), bigger hard drive and maybe WiFi. I don't see the purpose of multitouch on a device that won't be used to the same capacity as an iPhone. There's always the possibility that it won't even HAVE a touch screen. As much as I like the iPhone interface and all, I still want an iPod that can get equal to better playback time to my current 5.5G 80GB. Anything that requires more processing power and more energy sucking components may not cut it.

Mobile purchasing sounds nice and all, but I'd seriously like to have the option to have this disabled as well, because there's always the possibility that this can pose a big problem if someone's ipod is stolen.

WiFi syncing is what I really would like to see. If you're running off to work and decide that you want to snag another track or two from your computer, you simply connect to your computer's iTunes library wirelessly (provided you leave your system active most of the time) and simply zip some songs over. That alone would make the WiFi worth it to me.

Regarding flash to storage, hard drives will not go away for a very very long time. As prices for flash drops, as will the prices of hard drives, and currently hard drives offer decent lifespans (though not so much in durability comparably) and are much cheaper per gig. Flash will get much better and eventually replace HDD's, but not this year, that's for sure.

MacFly123
Sep 3, 2007, 05:07 PM
I want to upgrade but not if they use flash memory. With the push of Apple towards T.V. shows and movies, I need a lot of space. I am hoping for at least 160gb maybe even 300gb of space.

You've got a very good point. I think they are enabling the video on the new Nano to really push TV and movie content sales, and if they did low capacity Flash iPods they are kind of shooting themselves in the foot. But like I said, whenever the Flash transition happens, the high capacity people will never be happy no matter what. I think they will keep one touch model with a big HD and that will be the last one.

MacFly123
Sep 3, 2007, 05:10 PM
I saw a media player the other day that had bluetooth, so when you got a call on your cellphone you could leave the cellphone in your pocket and answer it via your media player.

While I doubt that Apple would do this (because it blurs the line between iPod and iPhone), I think it would be a nice feature: a wide-screen, touch-screen video iPod that can make/receive calls through your existing cellphone via bluetooth.

LOL but how exactly does it work, because if you still have to answer through a device whether its your phone or iPod that seems pretty pointless and worthless. Oh, now I only have to take my iPod out of my right pocket to answer my phone instead of taking my phone out of my left pocket lol. Am I missing something?

Cloudane
Sep 3, 2007, 05:13 PM
Seemingly the thing that would make this an iPhone killer (possibly, by some opinions) would be unrestricted Wifi. Well, don't forget that Apple are pretty big on artificial (read: crackable) restrictions these days.

There are ways to run certain versions of OS X on generic Intel hardware, also ways to run 3rd party apps on the iPhone. Apple doesn't seem overly fussed about the occasional geek doing this. If you're not bothered about the potential legalities, even a crippled wifi ipod could be made somewhat more powerful, and it'd hardly affect anything as it'd only be amongst a small minority of geeks.

motulist
Sep 3, 2007, 05:26 PM
Direct wifi connection from anywhere to your home computer would be sick.

Say you forgot to update a few things, go to a wi-fi hotspot, and you can update it from your computer at home, its almost like you have all your music with you.

Jesus H! That would be freakin cool!

Just imagine it, when you sync your iPod with your home Mac's iTunes, it also transfers the entire list of songs in your home Mac's library. Then, like normal, you drag over the songs that you want to always be on your iPod.

When your iPod has no wifi signal you'll see the songs loaded on your iPod in normal black letters, and the songs that are not currently on the iPod will be greyed out. Then when you get a wifi signal, at work or wherever, suddenly you'll see available ALL the songs in your entire home iTunes library! The songs that are not loaded on the ipod but available over wifi will be listed with a slightly different color and when you hit play on one of those songs there'll be a second or two buffering and then your song sitting on your home computer will start playing on your iPod at work!

Freaking cool!

MacFly123
Sep 3, 2007, 05:28 PM
I would love to see an iPod that would have the WiFi functionality of the iPhone. This would make it the ultimate Entertainment device.

No, that would make it a communications device, which is what the iPhone is and the iPod will never be! The iPod will eventually disappear and be replaced by the iPhone. The future is having ONE portable device like the iPhone that does it all, and of course that will include a monthly bill, I hate to break it to you. ;)

MattG
Sep 3, 2007, 05:31 PM
How many people on here agree with me that any radio feature on the iPod is the stupidest, most worthless feature ever??? The reason I got a freaking iPod is because I hate the radio, and ever since I got an iPod the radio has never even existed to me lol. It's like including an 8-track player with the new iPod lol. Seriously... If someone really wants to listen to the radio go buy one of those little portable wireless radio gadgets for literally $2.00 because if that's what you want, you don't need an iPod.

A coworker of mine ended up buying a Zune because the iPod doesn't have radio integration. Some people want it, and they don't want to have to carry around separate devices.

MacFly123
Sep 3, 2007, 05:32 PM
Guys,
I think the radio thing may have some truth to it, but may be related to another capability. Sonos recently added the capability to stream Sirius radio over their whole house music system. What is the killer app in the Sonos? The remote. What does the iPod video deliver, the remote, tie that to AppleTV and you have a really interesting Sonos killer. Not only could the iPod control the Apple TV with full coverflow album art, but it could also cue up and control videos. You could imaging sharing tunes from an iPod just as you can from up to 5 other Apple devices to AppleTV. This opens up the possibility of sharing a persons iPod wirelessly and seamlessly with someone's AppleTV. The whole radio thing might provide the ability to wirelessly control internet radio streaming over either AppleTV or iPod, just like Sonos.

Just a thought.

A very good thought. Steve said that the Apple TV would see something new soon. I'll bet you are right on :)

Jensen
Sep 3, 2007, 05:34 PM
I would be all over a 32gb flash ipod touch, but I think Apple would need some serious skills to be able to afford to put a 32gb NAND into an ipod costing less than $500.


A 16GB Compact Flash card is $128 at newegg.com. I'm pretty sure Apple could get twice as memory for the same price. I recently bought a 4GB USB drive for $16.

They could make a Flash iPod that is in between the sizes of the current Nano and Video iPods. They could charge $249 for the 16GB version, and $349 for the 32GB version.

$349 for a 120GB or 160GB HD iPod.

rbroady
Sep 3, 2007, 05:39 PM
Jesus H! That would be freakin cool!

Just imagine it, when you sync your iPod with your home Mac's iTunes, it also transfers the entire list of songs in your home Mac's library. Then, like normal, you drag over the songs that you want to always be on your iPod.

When your iPod has no wifi signal you'll see the songs loaded on your iPod in normal black letters, and the songs that are not currently on the iPod will be greyed out. Then when you get a wifi signal, at work or wherever, suddenly you'll see available ALL the songs in your entire home iTunes library! The songs that are not loaded on the ipod but available over wifi will be listed with a slightly different color and when you hit play on one of those songs there'll be a second or two buffering and then your song sitting on your home computer will start playing on your iPod at work!

Freaking cool!

yea, it just makes sense, its apple best way to delve into flash based ipod's...

it would actually solve so many problems and would truly be the ultimate music collection on the go, i am reeaaalllllyyy hoping for this.

its geniuse if they did that:)

sblasl
Sep 3, 2007, 05:44 PM
Safari & Mail is the "internet communicator". YouTube is more part of the iPod family IMHO. It is video after all. Apple & YouTube have revenue sharing agreements as it relates to YouTube, they would stand to make the most with YouTube being on an iPod.



Definitely NO youTube. When the iPhone was introduced, it was shown in the keynote as 3 separate devices merged into one; an iPod, a Phone, and an internet communicator. YouTube is part of the third, hence you won't see it in an iPod.

mackiwi
Sep 3, 2007, 05:48 PM
Predictions:

1. Bigger shuffles.

2. Fat nanos (with a new name)

3. ipod touchscreen (8,16 & 32 gig models)

4. Current 5.5g will go end of line but will still be available until stocks dry up. (Nobody i know has ever purchased the high capacity version - everyone has nanos or 30gig video ipods)

5. Big launch for Touchscreen games for new ipod touch & iphone - could be VERY interesting. Why no iphone games yet from apple? they were waiting on the new ipod.

6. Movie rentals???? their time has finally come.

7. And lastly, of course the beatles. maybe Merlin Manns joke about the yellow submarine ipod Touch will finally be a reality. Both ipod touch & beatles anouncements on same day so you never know... (maybe two models in different colours, Yellow submarine & strawberry fields). I would buy one in a heartbeat.

Thoughts???

MacFly123
Sep 3, 2007, 05:58 PM
Direct wifi connection from anywhere to your home computer would be sick.

Say you forgot to update a few things, go to a wi-fi hotspot, and you can update it from your computer at home, its almost like you have all your music with you.

Just give and take what you want as long as your receiving wi-fi, this almost goes hand in hand with the new direct-link to your computer capabilities on leopard

and if you have this option, whats the need for high capacity ipods? flash will do you perfectly as long as you can swap your music anytime you want.

Now that would be sweet :)

nemaslov
Sep 3, 2007, 05:59 PM
Predictions:

1. Bigger shuffles.

2. Fat nanos (with a new name)

3. ipod touchscreen (8,16 & 32 gig models)

4. Current 5.5g will go end of line but will still be available until stocks dry up. (Nobody i know has ever purchased the high capacity version - everyone has nanos or 30gig video ipods)

5. Big launch for Touchscreen games for new ipod touch & iphone - could be VERY interesting. Why no iphone games yet from apple? they were waiting on the new ipod.

6. Movie rentals???? their time has finally come.

7. And lastly, of course the beatles. maybe Merlin Manns joke about the yellow submarine ipod Touch will finally be a reality. Both ipod touch & beatles anouncements on same day so you never know... (maybe two models in different colours, Yellow submarine & strawberry fields). I would buy one in a heartbeat.

Thoughts???


THOUGHTS? YES:
I NEED 120GB OR MORE. THERE ARE MANY OF US OUT THERE.

MacFly123
Sep 3, 2007, 06:00 PM
Your wrong ;)

LOL, ok cool, I can accept that if you would like to elaborate ;)

currentinterest
Sep 3, 2007, 06:02 PM
Though I believe that we will see the new iPods as described, except of cover flow, they will not be so very different in function than current ones with video. If there is WiFi on some, then it will be restricted to iTunes Music Store, perhaps some form of Radio, and YouTube. They will not be a remote control for Apple TV or allow iTunes access at a distance, nor will they have web browsers and email. It is also doubtful there will be 32 GB iPods, but that is a possibility. If Apple does announce 16 or 32 GB iPods, the same capacity iPhone won't be far behind.

The more I think about it there will be four iPods:

Shuffle
Nano video
iPod (video) with 120 GB HD new nano-like enclosure
iPod Touch with WiFi, radio, etc. and 16 or 32 GB NAND Flash

What I am hoping for is HD Movie Rental via Apple TV.

Richard Jones
Sep 3, 2007, 06:02 PM
Yeah, Apple will have a 120GB widescreen iPod. They would have to have gone retarded to not have that product available.

mackiwi
Sep 3, 2007, 06:06 PM
THOUGHTS? YES:
I NEED 120GB OR MORE. THERE ARE MANY OF US OUT THERE.

I don't doubt that there are people out there who want higher capacity, and I wonder how many? It would be really interesting to see an estimate somewhere of the numbers.

Im guessing apple has run the numbers and figures they can probably gain more from luring some of the majority who buy nanos to buy the new and more expensive ipodtouch than they would lose from those needing the HDD capacity (who will probably buy the ipodtouch eventually anyway because - its so awesome).

currentinterest
Sep 3, 2007, 06:11 PM
The HDD iPod, if there is one, may not be widescreen.

I had a 60 GB 5G iPod, got an iPhone 8GB and found I didn't need the 60 GB. Syncing and exchanging content has proved to be so simple that I gave my 60 GB iPod away.

Richard Jones
Sep 3, 2007, 06:17 PM
The HDD iPod, if there is one, may not be widescreen.

I had a 60 GB 5G iPod, got an iPhone 8GB and found I didn't need the 60 GB. Syncing and exchanging content has proved to be so simple that I gave my 60 GB iPod away.

If Apple updates the iPhone with 16GB of storage on wednesday, i'll probably buy that in that case.

However, Apple will definitely have a hard drive based widescreen iPod.

tmornini
Sep 3, 2007, 06:23 PM
How many people on here agree with me that any radio feature on the iPod is the stupidest, most worthless feature ever???

It's really useful to people who frequent gyms.

Many of them have TVs playing that you can tune into via FM to hear the TV sound.

My wife works out daily, and this is the *only* thing she'd like to be added to her iPod. She generally listens to her music, but once in a while something interesting is on the TV, and she'd like to be able to tune in...

nemaslov
Sep 3, 2007, 06:24 PM
I don't doubt that there are people out there who want higher capacity, and I wonder how many? It would be really interesting to see an estimate somewhere of the numbers.

Im guessing apple has run the numbers and figures they can probably gain more from luring some of the majority who buy nanos to buy the new and more expensive ipodtouch than they would lose from those needing the HDD capacity (who will probably buy the ipodtouch eventually anyway because - its so awesome).

Well I assume alot of 80GB pods have sold. Granted not like shuffles and nanos but there is a market for that high end. For more songs and video AND there are many who burn lossless for the quality and actually need a higher capacity pod. It is like iMacs vs. MAC towers. They sell much more iMacs but they keep the high market too for those whose needs are bigger, faster better.

mackiwi
Sep 3, 2007, 06:26 PM
If Apple updates the iPhone with 16GB of storage on wednesday, i'll probably buy that in that case.

However, Apple will definitely have a hard drive based widescreen iPod.

I don't see apple making the iPodTouch in a HDD version. I cant see them having both a flash based version and HDD version, the difference in thickness and weight would be two much. Plus the battery life would be much worse.

Plus the repair costs for the inevitable faulty hard drives in those tens of millions of ipodTouchs sold this xmas will be something apple will not want.

Face it - the HDD based ipod is dead. D. E. A. D.

Of course i will look like a complete turd tomorrow when Steve Jobs walks on stage to say "FLASH IS DEAD! LONG LIVE THE HARD DRIVE!"

tmornini
Sep 3, 2007, 06:27 PM
AND once and for all will you people freaking realize how stupid it is to expect a phoneless iPhone???

I think that at least some of the new iPods will have WiFi, as this allows a *massive* social attack on the digital living room. Show up at a friends house and be able to play music and video for them without plugging in!

I'd be *amazed* if they didn't include Safari. iPods with Safari would substantially boost Safari's market share, and make it *the* mobile browser.

coryetzkorn
Sep 3, 2007, 06:32 PM
A 32Gb flash iPod would be perfect. I really hope Apple makes the call to switch to flash. I am out of space on my current 30Gb 5G, but i can handle having to manage my library a bit more in exchange for the many benefits of flash. I really want safari, but WIFI alone would be acceptable. Give me coverflow, PDA features, and some cool stuff that even the iPhone doesn't have yet, and I will be more than satified. I plan on paying $499, but $399 would be the ideal price IMO.

I think they will release a 16 + 32Gb touch. They will update the current ipods with larger hard drives and a new look (most likely aluminum) for those who can't seem to manage their media.

I think everyone needs to remember back to just a couple of years ago when people were extremely happy with 128mb MP3 players that cost a fortune.
We are too spoiled and flash is the future.

Cloudane
Sep 3, 2007, 06:35 PM
iPod (video) with 120 GB HD new nano-like enclosure
iPod Touch with WiFi, radio, etc. and 16 or 32 GB NAND Flash

An interesting theory, and one that also crossed my mind.

Want more storage? Either learn to be more selective with your songs, or sacrifice the special features and get the traditional model.

This 'iPod Touch' doesn't necessarily have to be the top of the range beastie, it could easily sit beside traditional models.

However, that would make it even *more* like the iPhone............

Richard Jones
Sep 3, 2007, 06:37 PM
An interesting theory, and one that also crossed my mind.

Want more storage? Either learn to be more selective with your songs, or sacrifice the special features and get the traditional model.

This 'iPod Touch' doesn't necessarily have to be the top of the range beastie, it could easily sit beside traditional models.

However, that would make it even *more* like the iPhone............

16GB and 32GB sizes will make it too close to the iPhone. If they did that, they'd just ditch the new iPod, and release new iPhones with those capacities.

mackiwi
Sep 3, 2007, 06:53 PM
16GB and 32GB sizes will make it too close to the iPhone. If they did that, they'd just ditch the new iPod, and release new iPhones with those capacities.

I think Cloudane makes an interesting point about the ipodtouch not being the 'beastie' of the ipod line. I'm not sure apple would want more than 3 ipod lines and the iphone though. Plus, once people see the iPod Touch, I'm sure they would have to be a bit retarded to buy a current video ipod just because the hard drive is bigger than the flash based iPod Touch.

Your comment about the ipod being too close to the iphone I dont agree with at all. Why? A lot of people a locked into phone contracts for a long time, they cant just go out and buy an iphone (which is pretty expensive also - i am sure the low end iPod Touch will be a fair bit cheaper than the 4gig iphone). Also more ipods are sold worldwide than in th US - so start thinking anout the rest of the world who dont have an option to buy an iphone. And people might be happy with their current phone.

final point to the iphone cannibalisation camp of people - do you think apples competitors are not going to make iPod Touch equivalents? if apple didn't release it - someone else like creative or (heaven forbid) Microsoft will release a touch screen flash based media player,and actually have cooler stuff than apple. Steve will NEVER allow the Ipod to get beaten in desirability by a ZUNE!!!

Scottuary
Sep 3, 2007, 06:54 PM
THOUGHTS? YES:
I NEED 120GB OR MORE. THERE ARE MANY OF US OUT THERE.

Have you ever heard of a Smart Playlist?

To be honest, myself or Apple doesn't think there are many of your kind out there. The widescreen iPod will be flash based IMO.

rossgumbrell
Sep 3, 2007, 06:54 PM
Right ladies and gents, let me tell you how the new ipod will work.

It will incorporate a 16gb flash memory and a 60gb or 120gb HDD.

the 16gb flash will hold OSX, the HDD will hold the content.

An update for itunes will alow a smart ipod management system. by using play counts, it will place the top 14gb of media onto the flash and the remaining onto the HDD. the management system will alow you to 'manually manage' the media on both HDD and flash, allowing you to choose what content is placed onto what storage device.

the touch screen will have a single touch screen, no multi-touch in this one. the new ipod navigation menu (OSX) will be able to incorporate themes. default themes are included (i.e. 'click' wheel interface) but different themes will be able to be purchased from the IMS.

itunes will set up its account on the ipod and media will be able to be downloaded to the ipod through wifi. when content is bought, it will allow the music to be download to the computer for free, and be able to be put onto 3(?) more ipods.

wifi will also be used to stream music wirelessly to airport express. apple will advertise this feature alot to promote sales of its airport express. it would be a direct competitor for other similar systems. i.e. SONOS.

No digital radio, only wifi radio stations registered with itunes.

not sure on pricing...

...i hope apple dont come a knocking at my door!

:apple::apple::apple:

Cloudane
Sep 3, 2007, 07:02 PM
I love how people keep stating their beliefs as if they're fact :rolleyes:

Funny enough, I suggested almost exactly the same thing with the flash cache earlier.

Good points regarding competition, but let's not forget: Apple don't necessarily compete on features. They compete on style and usability. There's always a better computer or better music player out there, but the style and "fun to use" factor of Apple's gear is where it's at.

macintel4me
Sep 3, 2007, 07:05 PM
16GB and 32GB sizes will make it too close to the iPhone. If they did that, they'd just ditch the new iPod, and release new iPhones with those capacities.

Nope, I fully disagree. There is a big difference between WiFi iPods and iPhones.

1) Monthly payments of at least $70/month vs $0/month
2) "Always connected" vs. "Probably not connected"

mackiwi
Sep 3, 2007, 07:09 PM
I love how people keep stating their beliefs as if they're fact :rolleyes:

Funny enough, I suggested almost exactly the same thing with the flash cache earlier.

Good points regarding competition, but let's not forget: Apple don't necessarily compete on features. They compete on style and usability. There's always a better computer or better music player out there, but the style and "fun to use" factor of Apple's gear is where it's at.

Yes they are fact. In my head. The smurf & snork in the cowboy costumes told me.

True - apples marketing machine could see the iPoo and I would buy it. Oh wait - I guess that was the brown zune?

newguineafan
Sep 3, 2007, 07:11 PM
If Apple uses NAND flash for the iPods, I'm going to jump out a window.

Why the heck would you employ flash hard drives for the new iPods when there already is a NAND flash shortage? Doesn't make much sense to me.

Now, if the use flash hard drives for the fatPod, that'll be different.

currentinterest
Sep 3, 2007, 07:14 PM
The reason there is such a NAND Flash shortage is that Apple has pre-purchased it all.

newguineafan
Sep 3, 2007, 07:14 PM
3. ipod touchscreen (8,16 & 32 gig models)

Uh, what?? If you think the touchscreen models are going to be that capacity, you're on something. There is absolutely no way that Apple is going to downgrade memory capacity. If fact, they're going to INCREASE IT!!

Not to be mean, but you, my friend, need to read up.

Cheers.

mackiwi
Sep 3, 2007, 07:19 PM
If Apple uses NAND flash for the iPods, I'm going to jump out a window.

Why the heck would you employ flash hard drives for the new iPods when there already is a NAND flash shortage? Doesn't make much sense to me.

Now, if the use flash hard drives for the fatPod, that'll be different.

I think nearly all those reports about NAND flash shortages also mentioned the reason for the shortage - Apple has cornered the market with forward orders taking up a third to half the global NAND production capacity for the next 12 months.

Apple have it all at locked in with advance pricing, whereas the remainder of NAND supply is costing people who dont have forward orders. Apples NAND cost is a lot less than the current market rate.

Let not forget the order they have made for the Macbook nano which will be announced at macworld. (I wish)

rstansby
Sep 3, 2007, 07:19 PM
... Apple doesn't think there are many of your kind out there.

I can't say for sure that Apple won't switch to flash, but I don't think you have any idea what Apple thinks. We'll see Wednesday.

motulist
Sep 3, 2007, 07:22 PM
Of course i will look like a complete turd tomorrow when Steve Jobs walks on stage to say "FLASH IS DEAD! LONG LIVE THE HARD DRIVE!"

Well then I can guarantee that you won't look like a complete turd, because Steve Jobs isn't walking on to any stage tomorrow to say anything - the show is wednesday! ;):D

mackiwi
Sep 3, 2007, 07:22 PM
Uh, what?? If you think the touchscreen models are going to be that capacity, you're on something. There is absolutely no way that Apple is going to downgrade memory capacity. If fact, they're going to INCREASE IT!!

Not to be mean, but you, my friend, need to read up.

Cheers.

Ummm...no need to read up - People everywhere are watching video and listening to Music on their iphones, which last time I checked were only 4 & 8 gig. I'm sure if people are happy doing that, they will be plenty happy with 8, 16 & 32 gig capacity. Its not like you see people with their iPhones carrying around video ipods as well - or am I wrong?

Well then I can guarantee that you won't look like a complete turd, because Steve Jobs isn't walking on to any stage tomorrow to say anything - the show is wednesday! ;):D

Yes - thats tomorrow in my timezone. ;)

motulist
Sep 3, 2007, 07:30 PM
Yes - thats tomorrow in my timezone. ;)

Hah! You're a proud kiwi I see. You should set your location in your Macrumors profile for all the world to see your pride.

The Toon Master
Sep 3, 2007, 07:36 PM
As long as it's 300-400 dollars with at least 30Gigs, i'm sold...

ezekielrage_99
Sep 3, 2007, 07:37 PM
Uh, what?? If you think the touchscreen models are going to be that capacity, you're on something. There is absolutely no way that Apple is going to downgrade memory capacity. If fact, they're going to INCREASE IT!!

Not to be mean, but you, my friend, need to read up.

Cheers.

I would like to see larger capacity in storage but looking into the iPod during the last few years the storage space hasn't increased that much, IMO I would love to see an 80GB and a 160GB version but going on past trends I doubt this very much.

For instance over the last 4 years the basic iPod capacity has only increased 20GB, which isn't very much considering how small factor HDD have changed in that time as well.

ClassicMac247
Sep 3, 2007, 07:43 PM
If it's more than 400 dollars you are better off buying an iPhone and hacking it to eliminate at&t service. I'm hoping for a touch screen ipod video, but it has to be within a reasonable price range, something like 200-350 USD.

Analog Kid
Sep 3, 2007, 07:46 PM
I need more space. 60GB isn't cutting it when I want to carry some video and leave room to transfer from my camera. Touch interface, wifi and a bigger hard drive makes the whole thing a no-brainer for me. They'd get my $500.

Touch and flash and wifi would leave me on the fence, as would touch with capacities the same as the current generation.

I think Flash loses it's advantage once you need more than one (or maybe two) chips. If I had to guess what capacities will be available in Flash based players, I'd look at Flash chip capacities and multiply by two...

nemaslov
Sep 3, 2007, 07:50 PM
Have you ever heard of a Smart Playlist?

To be honest, myself or Apple doesn't think there are many of your kind out there. The widescreen iPod will be flash based IMO.

Well there ARE many music people who don't care about video or wide screen and want more capacity. Mant who want to take entire libraries with them. For Apple to grow 30 60 80GB, I can't believe they will just stop and make every single version smaller.

There are many who don't want to share an iPod wih a phone or anything else. It's all about music for us.

newguineafan
Sep 3, 2007, 07:50 PM
Ummm...no need to read up - People everywhere are watching video and listening to Music on their iphones, which last time I checked were only 4 & 8 gig. I'm sure if people are happy doing that, they will be plenty happy with 8, 16 & 32 gig capacity. Its not like you see people with their iPhones carrying around video ipods as well - or am I wrong?

I completely understand what you are saying, but the current capacities for the video iPods are 30gigs and 80gigs. What I'm saying is that Apple is not going to downgrade capacities for the iPods, ever.

michelle21
Sep 3, 2007, 07:51 PM
Well its fun to speculate about this so I think I will join the fun.

Lets start with some assumptions first.

1) The Iphone is new, just released, selling good but not great. (probably better than expected though).

So assumption 1, apple will try to minimize any effect the new products would have on IPHONE sales.

assumption 2, the new ipods will be osx based and have a new interface.

Assumption 3 the new nano may or may not have video but will have coverflow.


Ok lets explore.

A lot of speculation is over something called the ipod touch which would basically be an iphone without the phone.

Ipod and wif
Iphone interface

But I think even if this were the case it would not be released as early as september 5th, it might be anounced as a coming product , like the appletv was initially.
A iphone without the phone cabability would definitely eat into Iphone sales and I'm sure strain the att partnership, although such an animal is coming I don't see it until AFTER a 3g iphone is released and I doubt you will see that before next year.

How about the interface, A lot of the Iphone touch interface does not make any sense on a Ipod only product, I seriously doubt you will see that.

Wifi, Wifi on an Ipod would only make sense if it included wireless syncing, I suspose you could see this, but if they did that on the Ipod I also suspect an Iphone upgrade to include the functionality would appear at the same time. the Iphone is Steve's job new baby and he's not going to let that lag behind the other products. New inovations are likely to surface there first.

Now for the Nano:

I think video on the nano makes very little sense for that form factor.

So here is my prediction for weds.

1) New osx based Ipods.

A new nano with embedded osX and coverflow.
A new video ipod (for the christmas season)

Widescreen, no wifi , some type of virtual clickwheel but not resembling the iphone interface.

3) something Jobs hinted on in the last event, Improvements to appleTV, probably more links to outside content, maybe a ajax based browser similar to the iphone with web 2.0 as the primary language.

4) new partnership deals for content

5) somekind of Iphone upgrade to add capability that wasn't ready at launch, more flexibility on layout customization maybe.

6) ringtones from itunes


Here's some additional stuff that is possible and I would like to see.

1) Iphone upgrade with an improved webkit that includes google gears this will allow persistant storage of web pages and data on the phone.

2) Limited partnership with some companies (pray for slingmedia) for 3rd party apps.


So these are my predictions, I think they are a bit more conservative than what some are predicting.:)

newguineafan
Sep 3, 2007, 07:52 PM
I would like to see larger capacity in storage but looking into the iPod during the last few years the storage space hasn't increased that much, IMO I would love to see an 80GB and a 160GB version but going on past trends I doubt this very much.

For instance over the last 4 years the basic iPod capacity has only increased 20GB, which isn't very much considering how small factor HDD have changed in that time as well.


Yes, of course, but the capacity won't be downgraded, either. There are two options for capacity:

1) Stay the same
2) Go up

Either way, the capacity of current iPods is not going to decrease.

robPOD
Sep 3, 2007, 07:52 PM
Who cares what memory it uses Im getting one any way

ezekielrage_99
Sep 3, 2007, 07:53 PM
If it's more than 400 dollars you are better off buying an iPhone and hacking it to eliminate at&t service. I'm hoping for a touch screen ipod video, but it has to be within a reasonable price range, something like 200-350 USD.

I think that's the pricing psychology for most people, that if I spend more than USD$400 I should get an iPhone instead.

However with that said there are plenty of other countries that don't have access to the iPhone yet and would gladly buy a more expensive iPod with touch screen capacity if given the choice (I know that I would buy if give the opportunity).

ezekielrage_99
Sep 3, 2007, 08:01 PM
Yes, of course, but the capacity won't be downgraded, either. There are two options for capacity:

1) Stay the same
2) Go up

Either way, the capacity of current iPods is not going to decrease.

I wasn't debating the incremental updates for iPod capacity, but I think there will be some dissapointed people out there when the storage wont be as significant as some were expecting.

IMO if the new iPods go flash then I'd think it's reasonable to expect 16GB, 32GB and maybe 64GB or if Apple stays HDD I'd expect to have from 40GB to 160GB.

mackiwi
Sep 3, 2007, 08:02 PM
.....A lot of speculation is over something called the ipod touch which would basically be an iphone without the phone.

Ipod and wif
Iphone interface

But I think even if this were the case it would not be released as early as september 5th, it might be anounced as a coming product , like the appletv was initially.
A iphone without the phone cabability would definitely eat into Iphone sales and I'm sure strain the att partnership, although such an animal is coming I don't see it until AFTER a 3g iphone is released and I doubt you will see that before next year.....

according to this: (http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/07/09/03/major_electronics_launch_new_ipodsiphones_apple_lobbying.html we are seeing a large, hyped product, probably from apple, hitting the shelves on thursday.

not saying your wrong, but IMO i think the Apple TV & iphone were the exception to the rule that apple hardware is released on the day of announcement.

michelle21
Sep 3, 2007, 08:07 PM
I wasn't debating the incremental updates for iPod capacity, but I think there will be some dissapointed people out there when the storage wont be as significant as some were expecting.

IMO if the new iPods go flash then I'd think it's reasonable to expect 16GB, 32GB and maybe 64GB or if Apple stays HDD I'd expect to have from 40GB to 160GB.

I would love higher capacity, I have a 4gb Iphone and the capacity is constrainig, when I'm around wifi I perfer steaming the content vs. storing it on the Iphone. Although I'm dreaming of itunes integration someday similar to appletv I think for the time being we will be limited to the wifi streaming me and a few other people on this forum are developing.

Any incremental upgrade above 8gb is going to hurt Iphone sales. Edge network is the Iphone's achiles heel, apple will NOT release in my opinion higher capacity widescreen Ipods until it addresses that issue. probably late next year.

After playing with video streaming on the iphone since day one, I can say that this product cries out for 3g.

mackiwi
Sep 3, 2007, 08:11 PM
IMO - The iPod Touch & iphone will share the same technology regarding the touch screen.

Three reasons:

- economies of scale, will be much cheaper to use same components across the two.

- Software (in particular: Touch screen games). Apple will want to be able to have a single version to program & distribute that works across both device ranges. I really think the iPod Touch is going to be promoted as a games platform.

- Video Content - apple will want the iPhone and iPod Touch's screen to be the defacto format for mobile video downloads on iTunes. Content producers will only have to distribute & maximise for the one format. (will be interesting to see if the New Fat-nano like ipod will share the same screen dimensions to enable easy down scaling)

michelle21
Sep 3, 2007, 08:13 PM
according to this: (http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/07/09/03/major_electronics_launch_new_ipodsiphones_apple_lobbying.html we are seeing a large, hyped product, probably from apple, hitting the shelves on thursday.

not saying your wrong, but IMO i think the Apple TV & iphone were the exception to the rule that apple hardware is released on the day of announcement.


There is no specific of Apple, and my guess new products of that magnitude would hit bestbuy and circuitcity first. I'll bet a major game product from sony or netendo is more likely. Has the new psp shipped, I know thats supposed to ship this month, and sony is really hurting on ps3 . Those would be more likely targets for the target chain, then apple.

michelle21
Sep 3, 2007, 08:15 PM
IMO - The iPod Touch & iphone will share the same technology regarding the touch screen.

Three reasons:

- economies of scale, will be much cheaper to use same components across the two.

- Software (in particular: Touch screen games). Apple will want to be able to have a single version to program & distribute that works across both device ranges. I really think the iPod Touch is going to be promoted as a games platform.

- Video Content - apple will want the iPhone and iPod Touch's screen to be the defacto format for mobile video downloads on iTunes. Content producers will only have to distribute & maximise for the one format. (will be interesting to see if the New Fat-nano like ipod will share the same screen dimensions to enable easy down scaling)

Actually I believe politics will take presidence, and the above though pratical from an engineering standpoint is not from the perpective of the partnership with att standpoint.

mackiwi
Sep 3, 2007, 08:17 PM
There is no specific of Apple, and my guess new products of that magnitude would hit bestbuy and circuitcity first. I'll bet a major game product from sony or netendo is more likely. Has the new psp shipped, I know thats supposed to ship this month, and sony is really hurting on ps3 . Those would be more likely targets for the target chain, then apple.

True, no mention of apple, but the tidbit about after hours delivery of product sounds very apple like. You remember the iPhone armoured cars right? LOL, they were ludicrous.

Sol
Sep 3, 2007, 08:20 PM
It would make a lot of sense for Apple to introduce the touchPod as a fourth product. The hard drive iPods will remain attractive to people looking for storage and value. It would make more sense to own an iPhone and a hard drive iPod than owning an iPhone and a touchPod.

michelle21
Sep 3, 2007, 08:23 PM
True, no mention of apple, but the tidbit about after hours delivery of product sounds very apple like. You remember the iPhone armoured cars right? LOL, they were ludicrous.


The Iphone launch was a marketing phenomeon, right up to the secret NSA style deliveries. Many companies will try to copy that.

Sony is the biggest copycat on the planet. If the announcement was about bestbuy or circuitcity I would say you are right. But target, just don't know.

christophertin
Sep 3, 2007, 08:25 PM
All of those hard-working engineers and factory personnel in China must be heartbroken to have lost this contract to Tawiwan. :(

Yeah, I feel sorry for all those Chinanese. ;)

Scottuary
Sep 3, 2007, 08:26 PM
I can't say for sure that Apple won't switch to flash, but I don't think you have any idea what Apple thinks. We'll see Wednesday.

You're right, I don't know what Apple thinks but it was basically my opinion and I think Apple has done extensive research on this. I know there will still be high capacity iPods out there, they would never take a step back. But in my opinion, the multi-touch, widescreen iPod won't be HDD based (aka high capacity). If anything, they will keep selling the current iPods with a storage bump along with the new "iPod Touch".

Don't get me wrong, I would LOVE to see a high capacity iPod Touch, I just don't think it's feasible.

mackiwi
Sep 3, 2007, 08:27 PM
Actually I believe politics will take presidence, and the above though pratical from an engineering standpoint is not from the perpective of the partnership with att standpoint.

yeah, I guess you never know when lawyers are involved. Although maybe the contract isn't that limiting, as AT&T would hopefully realise that apple would not want to tread over the toes of the iphone too much as it would mean apple would lose both initial iphone sale profit & ongoing revenue sharing from At&t contract.

Im still a bit dubious on the Wifi inclusion in the iPod Touch for anything past syncing and linking with other ipod touchs/iphones for games and possibly itunes downloads/program updates.

So maybe the no web browsing, no youtube, no phone calls, no camera and no email will be enough of a distinction from the iphone to not deter sales.

(Actually they could leave the camera in - would be a great surprise to have the ipod touch as a digicam or maybe even DV cam with all that extra storage available. Holy Crap that would be really GREAT!!)

rfunk
Sep 3, 2007, 08:29 PM
Really,
I don't understand all of you who have an iPhone and are willing to buy the "upcoming" iPod. Why? Wasn't it supposed to be the all-in-one device? Why do you want to carry 2 gadgets then?

So iPod is for people who don't want to swith mobile company / don't care about carrying 2 devices / don't like being attached 2 years in a contract plan.., whatever.

I don't see why they should make a product worse (more restricted) than it can be just because some people who run on the first weeks to the apple stores can't find a good excuse to go there again so soon.

I feel they are selling a LOT more iPod touch than they are loosing for the iPhones. I want the communications device, the neat interface and the iPod features, but don't really care about the phone. I thik I'm not alone.

Cheers,
R

GravityEyes
Sep 3, 2007, 08:33 PM
(only directed to those with childish demands, you know who you are)

Thank GOD Apple doesn't seek your 'approval' before they goto launch new products ...

"Apple better do this, Apple better do that ..." What is the average age of users here? 13?

Ya know ... whatever they release you will salivate for it, pimp out your little sister for it .... of course, you'll still complain and gripe that it was not everything you were seeking ... BUT, you'll buy it.

And for all those who think they have ALL THE ANSWERS ...

I feel very confident that Apple's marketing strategists, designers and thought leaders know EXACTLY what they are doing ... and you do not.

One more thing, those hoping for a 'phoneless' iPhone ...

- Get mommy and daddy to switch the family plan to from Verizon
- Or, pony up the $175 ETF from your current crummy carrier and buy an iPhone already.

*** because it will never happen ***

:apple:

michelle21
Sep 3, 2007, 08:33 PM
Of course all this speculation might be wrong and there might not be a touchscreen ipod announced.

At the question and answer segment last event some questions were asked about the appletv, the answer was that was not the time for those questions but appletv announcements were forthcoming. The appletv is not selling as well as expected, the coverflow theme of the invite could just as well refer to the apple tv.

Remember the apple jukebox, at the event before that Jobs suggested jokingly that the next ipod might way several pounds, and than was announced the illfated jukebox.

Well perhaps all we will see Wednsday Is.

A new Nano with coverflow

An Iphone upgrade of some kind

New content deals

And an Ajax browser enhancement to the apple tv , which would alow rss fees and other internet content.


Apple has a funny way of delivering the unexpected.

michelle21
Sep 3, 2007, 08:37 PM
Really,
I don't see why they should make a product worse (more restricted) than it can be just because some people who run on the first weeks to the apple stores can't find a good excuse to go there again so soon.

Cheers,
R

Same reason tivo downgrades the video you get from tivotogo, same reason video over unprotected hdmi interfaces is downscaled, profit, money and lawyers.. get used to it and welcome to the 21st century.

Kedrik
Sep 3, 2007, 08:40 PM
I have read the entire thread, and thought I'd share a couple of thoughts and experiences. First, I have a 4gig i-phone, a 60gig 5th gen video ipod, and a nano. I do carry the i-phone and the video i-pod together a lot. I use the i-pod in the car, and carry most of my music library. The i-phone plug doesn't fit my admittedly weak cassette adapter, and the i-phone gets interference when in the dock connector attached to the FM transmiter in the car. (I know I can put it in airplane mode, but people actually call me sometimes while I'm driving) Anyway, what I am saying is that people do actually use both, large capacity drives, and flashed based together. I love the idea of a hybrid.

Next point, I run with nike+ on my nano all the time. With an all OSX lineup, what will happen to "tune my run" will it be ported over? If so could I run with my i-phone? There are lots of Nike+ runners out there, there will have to be a solution to this announced on Wed.

I am also looking forward to ringtones, and how about skinning the home screen, or just adding wallpaper options behind the icons? Anyway, long post, sorry, but I did read all of your stuff first:D

Oh, and I almost forgot, I watch movies on my home TV with the video out off of the i-pod quite often. Can't do that from the i-phone. That will be an important feature of the new i-pod.

redfirebird08
Sep 3, 2007, 08:42 PM
Well I assume alot of 80GB pods have sold. Granted not like shuffles and nanos but there is a market for that high end. For more songs and video AND there are many who burn lossless for the quality and actually need a higher capacity pod. It is like iMacs vs. MAC towers. They sell much more iMacs but they keep the high market too for those whose needs are bigger, faster better.

Yeah, that's a great analogy. You can customize a Mac Pro with like 20 gig of RAM that costs $20,000 or so. That is probably the exact computer Steve Jobs himself uses. Does anyone seriously think that Jobs doesn't own a 80 gig iPod? With iTunes pushing TV shows and movies more than ever along with 256 kbps music downloads, the high end iPods should have at least 100 gigs at this point in my opinion. I personally have a 30 gig iPod Photo and I am running out of space just with my music collection, which has reached 23 gigs out of 27 available on the iPod. So yeah, Steve Jobs himself likely owns the highest end Mac computers and iPods. That in and of itself should be reason enough for them to keep upping the capacity on their high end iPod each time they release a new line of iPods.

mackiwi
Sep 3, 2007, 08:42 PM
Really,
I don't understand all of you who have an iPhone and are willing to buy the "upcoming" iPod. Why? Wasn't it supposed to be the all-in-one device? Why do you want to carry 2 gadgets then?

So iPod is for people who don't want to swith mobile company / don't care about carrying 2 devices / don't like being attached 2 years in a contract plan.., whatever.

I don't see why they should make a product worse (more restricted) than it can be just because some people who run on the first weeks to the apple stores can't find a good excuse to go there again so soon.

I feel they are selling a LOT more iPod touch than they are loosing for the iPhones. I want the communications device, the neat interface and the iPod features, but don't really care about the phone. I thik I'm not alone.

Cheers,
R

You are completly right. If the iphone was released unlocked and didn't require a sim card to operate (ie the phones there, but its optional), we wouldn't be having this conversation, as we would have our iPod touch already. Maybe they would have released a phoneless version with all the other features of the iphone but it would be a bit cheaper as it wouldn't require the phone electronics. would also be sold globally without any problems. And they could have a 3G & CDMA versions also. Carriers would be falling over themselves to offer visual voicemail and good data plans, competition would have been good.

mackiwi
Sep 3, 2007, 08:47 PM
(only directed to those with childish demands, you know who you are)

Thank GOD Apple doesn't seek your 'approval' before they goto launch new products ...

"Apple better do this, Apple better do that ..." What is the average age of users here? 13?

Ya know ... whatever they release you will salivate for it, pimp out your little sister for it .... of course, you'll still complain and gripe that it was not everything you were seeking ... BUT, you'll buy it.

And for all those who think they have ALL THE ANSWERS ...

I feel very confident that Apple's marketing strategists, designers and thought leaders know EXACTLY what they are doing ... and you do not.

One more thing, those hoping for a 'phoneless' iPhone ...

- Get mommy and daddy to switch the family plan to from Verizon
- Or, pony up the $175 ETF from your current crummy carrier and buy an iPhone already.

*** because it will never happen ***

:apple:

Umm....perhaps its because we are one of the 6 billion people that don't live in the USA so cant get an iphone - even if we have 10 times the money your mommy and daddy spent on getting you an iphone.

AJL23
Sep 3, 2007, 09:17 PM
You are completly right. If the iphone was released unlocked and didn't require a sim card to operate (ie the phones there, but its optional), we wouldn't be having this conversation, as we would have our iPod touch already. Maybe they would have released a phoneless version with all the other features of the iphone but it would be a bit cheaper as it wouldn't require the phone electronics. would also be sold globally without any problems. And they could have a 3G & CDMA versions also. Carriers would be falling over themselves to offer visual voicemail and good data plans, competition would have been good.

The reason it doesn't work that way is the contract with ATT - Apple gets a cut of the ATT plan fees, and in return guarantees that US iPhones will be locked to ATT for 3 years. Probably the contract has some other terms, such as requiring the activation to use the other functions, and ATT not being allowed to install their own OS customizations like carriers do on a lot of phones.

A 3G GSM version is supposed to be available at some point but nothing's been said about CDMA. I've got Verizon and I like it, so no iPhone for me.

Football1maniac
Sep 3, 2007, 09:19 PM
Your comment about the ipod being too close to the iphone I dont agree with at all. Why? A lot of people a locked into phone contracts for a long time, they cant just go out and buy an iphone (which is pretty expensive also - i am sure the low end iPod Touch will be a fair bit cheaper than the 4gig iphone). Also more ipods are sold worldwide than in th US - so start thinking anout the rest of the world who dont have an option to buy an iphone. And people might be happy with their current phone.

final point to the iphone cannibalisation camp of people - do you think apples competitors are not going to make iPod Touch equivalents? if apple didn't release it - someone else like creative or (heaven forbid) Microsoft will release a touch screen flash based media player,and actually have cooler stuff than apple. Steve will NEVER allow the Ipod to get beaten in desirability by a ZUNE!!!


Does it matter if it cuts into iPhone sales? When you buy either of the two products revenue is going to the same company. When the iPhone came out, didn't people say that will cannibalize the iPod Nano sales? (Before they announced the price obviously) What ever Apple does, the next product that will come out will cannibalize the new prduct that comes out on Wednesday, it's a never ending chain.

God Bless Steve Jobs:apple:

AJL23
Sep 3, 2007, 09:19 PM
Umm....perhaps its because we are one of the 6 billion people that don't live in the USA so cant get an iphone - even if we have 10 times the money your mommy and daddy spent on getting you an iphone.

That's about to become a very easy problem to work around... the iphonesimfree.com people will sell their software very soon, and they've demo'ed it for a CNN reporter who says he got the phone unlocked in about 2 minutes.

Black Belt
Sep 3, 2007, 09:20 PM
One of the weak links in the iPod is connectivity with other devices, especially in your car. Having to have that stupid connector built in to your car is an absolute absurdity. With a Wifi iPod, you could connect to newly developed network in your car that will allow high quality, good bandwidth data flow (including controls!) over Wifi to you "Network Enabled Car Stereo". That's the future, not more of the same stupid FM transmitters or cords sticking into your stereo. And with Wifi, you could set it up to sync when you pull into your garage and grab new music, movies, podcasts, etc. An iPod for your home, an iPod for your car, an iPod for...

And when going to trade shows/events you could subscribe to feeds, delivered wirelessly to your iPod. Imagine going to a concert and getting a bonus track beamed to your iPod. That would be the ultimate in cool and connectivity.

Football1maniac
Sep 3, 2007, 09:24 PM
One of the weak links in the iPod is connectivity with other devices, especially in your car. Having to have that stupid connector built in to your car is an absolute absurdity. With a Wifi iPod, you could connect to newly developed network in your car that will allow high quality, good bandwidth data flow (including controls!) over Wifi to you "Network Enabled Car Stereo". That's the future, not more of the same stupid FM transmitters or cords sticking into your stereo. And with Wifi, you could set it up to sync when you pull into your garage and grab new music, movies, podcasts, etc. An iPod for your home, an iPod for your car, an iPod for...

And when going to trade shows/events you could subscribe to feeds, delivered wirelessly to your iPod. Imagine going to a concert and getting a bonus track beamed to your iPod. That would be the ultimate in cool and connectivity.


Maybe not necessarily WIFI, but what about BLUETOOTH?! THere are cars now that have Bluetooth for phones to talk through the speakers, why not have a car with bluetooth to b e able to listen to your iPod without any wires?

mackiwi
Sep 3, 2007, 09:29 PM
That's about to become a very easy problem to work around... the iphonesimfree.com people will sell their software very soon, and they've demo'ed it for a CNN reporter who says he got the phone unlocked in about 2 minutes.

...and then the next time apple does a firmware update my iphone is a very expensive paperweight. All the unlocking software companies say is that it is restore resistant - they dont mention how apple can simply release a firmware to destroy the hacks.

Wanh
Sep 3, 2007, 09:32 PM
...and then the next time apple does a firmware update my iphone is a very expensive paperweight. All the unlocking software companies say is that it is restore resistant - they dont mention how apple can simply release a firmware to destroy the hacks.

Good point.

michelle21
Sep 3, 2007, 09:32 PM
Maybe not necessarily WIFI, but what about BLUETOOTH?! THere are cars now that have Bluetooth for phones to talk through the speakers, why not have a car with bluetooth to b e able to listen to your iPod without any wires?

Here's a thought, i suspect a lot of phone contracts are renewing come November , december , would apple release something like the Ipod touch at a time a second wave of carrier switching might be starting.

I think not...

Football1maniac
Sep 3, 2007, 09:35 PM
Here's a thought, i suspect a lot of phone contracts are renewing come November , december , would apple release something like the Ipod touch at a time a second wave of carrier switching might be starting.

I think not...

With Bluetooth in the new iPod Tap (something else then Touch im tired of that name even if it does sound like a thing from a bar) other things are opened up. Bluetooth headphones, Bluetooth syncing from your computer, being able to talk to other iPods but not necessarily the stupid Zune:apple: "squirting".

Black Belt
Sep 3, 2007, 09:37 PM
Bluetooth is crap for bandwidth, crap for security, crap for quality. It definitely needs to be wifi. It would take a month and a half to sync over Bluetooth, kind of like a Bittorrent download with no seeds.

Football1maniac
Sep 3, 2007, 09:39 PM
Then why is Bluetooth in every single Mac? If Apple sees that its not a safe thing to put in their product, then why do they? Yes, I would like to have WiFi in the new iPod Tap so Safari could could be bundled up too. BT + WiFi = endless possibilities :apple:

Black Belt
Sep 3, 2007, 09:41 PM
Because you use BT to hook up your keyboard and mouse which is basically no data at all or completely insignificant. There are BT security exploits that can occur just by noticing a BT device near you. In your home, that's hardly a risk at all. But outside, the risk rises significantly. Lots of issues noted in the Security Community. Remember your iPod goes out into the wild and comes back and is plugged in BEHIND your firewall. That makes it an attractive exploit. But the main problem is bandwidth. When you can show me that BT External Harddrive of that BT Apple TV, then we can talk, but that ain't gonna happen.

acrafton
Sep 3, 2007, 09:42 PM
One thing that I haven't heard much discussion about is the fact that there are other companies that would give their right hands for a piece of the IPod client base and Apple knows this. . .for this reason alone I don't think they will disappoint us on Wednesday. . .

I am probably pretty typical of the posters here - multiple Macs, multiple IPods, talked friends/family into buying their first macs, etc. But I didn't do this because I am under Steve's Jedi mind trick (well, ok, maybe a little). The reason I did/do this is because Apple products are the best. However, the current IPods are long in the tooth and there are other companies that are starting to attract my attention for a nice, larger screen, video player. I have been holding off waiting for the IPod update that will give me what I want. If they don't announce a wide-screen/touch-screen IPod on Wed, I will simply go buy a non-Apple device.

If they don't do it, I won't be mad at Apple, I just won't buy the current version IPod. There are many like us out there, as well as non-Apple enthusiasts who can't watch the tiny screen on current video IPods.

Apple knows they are in a unique position to continue to innovate and grow market share. Nothing other than the wide/touch screen Ipod will demonstrate the kind of innovation that is required in the marketplace.

Prepare to be impressed on Wednesday.

Adam

Football1maniac
Sep 3, 2007, 09:43 PM
Because you use BT to hook up your keyboard and mouse which is basically no data at all. When you can show me that BT External Harddrive of that BT Apple TV, then we can talk.

True, but BT is the future. Steve Jobs knows what is the best for the iPod and the worst for the the Zune. Putting BT in the iPod Tap will allow more 3rd party accesories to flourish with it. :apple:

bigpics
Sep 3, 2007, 09:46 PM
No, that would make it a communications device, which is what the iPhone is and the iPod will never be! The iPod will eventually disappear and be replaced by the iPhone. The future is having ONE portable device like the iPhone that does it all, and of course that will include a monthly bill, I hate to break it to you. ;)
1. Apple's 5 year deal with AT&T. Not all iPod users are going to switch to AT&T in 5 years (if ever): you can't even get an iPhone in Vermont and next to no reception in one of the Dakotas (N?). And even if cracked iPh's become commonplace, your only other option is TMobile, with no visual VMail (and no non-wifi net connection??).

2. Not all of us need (or want) video input all day/everywhere. I personally will never carry around a music device again bigger than a shuffle. And I generally leave my celly in a soft b-case pocket instead of hanging on my belt like a dork pouch or being beat up by change and keys in my pants.

Convergence is cool up to a point but until there's a true 3G 32-64 GB iPhone costing no more than today's and more app-capable plus a few other fixups in the interface, I'll settle for a cell phone, a shuffle and a high-capacity iPod making me my own DJ in my car, hotel and at parties. Wifi/Safari would be really tasty icing, but I'll be moderately surprised to see it on a pure Pod this year.

There could be an iPhone Nano in the works (maybe for MacWorld '08), but its current market is surely still smaller than a Nano Nano (apologies to Mork from Ork).

3. If I'm on a long car trip or vacation, I want all my media with me, not back on my mac, even my macbook in the trunk, just so my Pod's .2" thinner, and I'll sac 25% of the battery life based on the long life of my iPod Photo. Plus you can just set the screen to light up for x seconds when you're playing music, so I don't see that big a loss for music, still by far the number one use of iPods.

4. Buying media ON your Pod: That's a big, uhhh, philosophical change for Apple, 'cos it means replumbing both iPods and iTunes to accept transfers of content FROM an iPod to a computer when you resync -- and that makes it easier (not that it's THAT hard for even semi-geeks today) to move media in directions Mamma don't allow. Maybe, but not a trivial change, even with a wifi iPod.

5. A radio? Huhhh? How does a "radio" allow iTunes purchases? Digital radio with two-way interaction? Is Apple announcing a world-wide satellite launch? The internet's already a capable media download service with the hugest backbone of all time. A bit spendy to duplicate it and make it able to receive signals from millions of itty-bitty iPods.

Wait until something you like comes along to buy? That'll work, sure. So much easier and more time efficient than surfing the ITMS. It'll only take you three hours to buy maybe five tracks (which will hardly burn up the Apple cash register). How many "channels" would this radio have, anyway? Isn't that half of someone else's business model (I forget which irrelevant satellite radio service bought the other)?

Analog radio? So we can listen to 28 minutes of commercials an hour, annoying hosts, severe playlists and signal loss? Whoever said that sounds Zune-like was right on. A radio?

Cell phones and blue-tooth devices are radios. Blue tooth earbuds?

6. Kiosks? My first thought was "whatchu' talking 'bout, Willis," but on reflection this idea's just off-the-wall enough to work. But positing some elaborate device in airports and Apple stores is thinking too small. You can't walk into a 7-11 or other retailer without seeing iTunes gift cards. All you need is a small (ruggedized) box plugged into a g-speed very simple and cheap ITMS dedicated computer disguised as a "kiosk" (taking up little floor space, and maybe even a countertop model) and you can pick up some tunes or vids on the way to wherever. Possibly (and much more ideally) wirelessly (with a "radio"). And turn many thousands of stores into Apple suboutlets with the corp logo everywhere. Slurpees and songs, together forever.

Walk up to the device and it and your iPod recognize each other, and you're off, probably with the whole interface on your iPod screen, with the kiosk able to serve up to say, 5-20 iPods at once (depending on the venue, e.g., less at convenience stores, more at airports). Imagine how THAT (the complete ITMS inventory in 24 hour outlets around the corner) would impact CD and DVD outlets!!

(But see 4 above.)

Whatever, phoneless iPhone or no, squatPod (it really looks much better in more recent mockups), picoPod (shuffle with a tiny screen), virtual click-wheel, OS X plumbing or warm-over, if Apple doesn't offer at least one HDD model, count me out as a buyer at the top end, and I'll keep my 60 gigger as long as it can be kept running.

Black Belt
Sep 3, 2007, 09:49 PM
True, but BT is the future. Steve Jobs knows what is the best for the iPod and the worst for the the Zune. Putting BT in the iPod Tap will allow more 3rd party accesories to flourish with it. :apple:

BT will help some accessories, but it is hardly the future. It is pretty old crap and was never that good to begin with. Wifi on the other hand is progressing to enormous speeds and bandwidth, it is more versatile over distance and is secure. That makes it far more attractive in my opinion.

The future is something like Wimax - broadband everywhere. Wimax chips are going into notebooks now.

JGowan
Sep 3, 2007, 09:50 PM
I talked with a friend a couple of years ago when he was in the market for an iPod -- "Are you going to get a black one or a white one? I think video would 'pop' better with a black one." His response was that he didn't care about video that popped, "iPods are white", he told me.

Now it's a couple of years later and I'm thinking about what some/a lot of people consider an iPod:

1) iPods are white
2) iPods have a round click wheel
3) iPods have lots of storage

I really don't believe that Apple is going to abandon the current "top-of-the-line" iPods. There's too many people that want at least something that is very similar to what already exists. While 5.5G iPods are a whole lot thinner, sexier and more capable than the ones that rolled off the assembly line back 2001, but essentially they're same. I equate the '01 version as a kind of "1967 VW Beetle" and today's ipod model as the Beetle 40 years later. While many people won't mind a touch screen OS X iPod, too many (I believe) will balk ... and walk. Perhaps to the MS Zune, maybe the Creative Zen or possibly to eBay for older iPod models.

I truly believe there'll still be your basic white-high storage-click wheel model we all know and love -- it'll be hotter, sexier and more badazz, but it ain't goin' nowhere.

Football1maniac
Sep 3, 2007, 09:54 PM
BT will help some accessories, but it is hardly the future. It is pretty old crap and was never that good to begin with. Wifi on the other hand is progressing to enormous speeds and bandwidth, it is more versatile over distance and is secure. That makes it far more attractive in my opinion.

Then why not pleas both crowds by putting them both in? The iPhone has BT and WiFi. And if WiFi is so secure, how come most cell phones have BT in them? Macs have them in it? ( I kno i kno keyboards) Cars have them in it. Yes, WiFi is growing, but BT is now and the future, if you put WiFi on the iPod Tap, then I believe Apple should but Safari on it. What's the purpose of connecting over the Internet and not being able to browse websites? :apple:

Eduardo1971
Sep 3, 2007, 09:56 PM
Oh no I hope the new video-iPods are not flash based.:mad:

I have an 80GB+ iTunes library!

I've kept holding off on buying my first iPod because I wanted at least 100GB storage capacity!!!:(

AJL23
Sep 3, 2007, 09:56 PM
...and then the next time apple does a firmware update my iphone is a very expensive paperweight. All the unlocking software companies say is that it is restore resistant - they dont mention how apple can simply release a firmware to destroy the hacks.

There will be a way around that. The hackers always win these. Always.

nemaslov
Sep 3, 2007, 09:57 PM
I talked with a friend a couple of years ago when he was in the market for an iPod -- "Are you going to get a black one or a white one? I think video would 'pop' better with a black one." His response was that he didn't care about video that popped, "iPods are white", he told me.

Now it's a couple of years later and I'm thinking about what some/a lot of people consider and iPod:

1) iPods are white
2) iPods have a round click wheel
3) iPods have lots of storage

I really don't believe that Apple is going to abandon the current "top-of-the-line" iPods. There's too many people that want at least something that is very similar to what already exists. While 5.5G iPods are a whole lot thinner, sexier and more capable than the ones that rolled off the assembly line back 2001, but essentially they're same. I equate the '01 version as a kind of "1967 VW Beetle" and today's ipod model as the Beetle 40 years later. While many people won't mind a touch screen OS X iPod, too many (I believe) will balk ... and walk. Perhaps to the MS Zune, maybe the Creative Zen or possibly to eBay for older iPod models.

I truly believe there'll still be your basic white-high storage-click wheel model we all know and love -- it'll be hotter, sexier and more badazz, but it ain't goin' nowhere.

YES and I'd say the majority and I mean millions of iPod users just want it for music. No phone, no video. MUSIC. Remember Music??? And those of us who own alot of it...maybe 5000 plus CDs would LOVE to carry as much music as possible.

Black Belt
Sep 3, 2007, 10:01 PM
Then why not pleas both crowds by putting them both in?

Sure, why not. Just let me turn it off.

The iPhone has BT and WiFi. And if WiFi is so secure, how come most cell phones have BT in them?

The reason is VERY LIMITED USE. Bluetooth is basically used to pair with headsets or create a limited connection with a device. That the iPhone has Wifi should tell you something. All the amazing connectivity demos were done over wifi, not the cell network.

A reason for not having both? Battery drain. When Apple finds the secret to Tesla's air battery then our problem is solved :p

Black Belt
Sep 3, 2007, 10:03 PM
Oh no I hope the new video-iPods are not flash based.:mad:

I have an 80GB+ iTunes library!

I've kept holding off on buying my first iPod because I wanted at least 100GB storage capacity!!!:(

160, that's the number that will make me smile and stop being pissed so much at Jobs for screwing up the iPhone.

Football1maniac
Sep 3, 2007, 10:07 PM
Sure, why not. Just let me turn it off.



The reason is VERY LIMITED USE. Bluetooth is basically used to pair with headsets or create a limited connection with a device. That the iPhone has Wifi should tell you something. All the amazing connectivity demos were done over wifi, not the cell network.

A reason for not having both? Battery drain. When Apple finds the secret to Tesla's air battery then our problem is solved :p


True, but who knows? (Actually a couple do in California. I wonder who they could be?) Yes, if only Apple could find an unlimited power battery source, all of our questions could be answered.

beer.coffee
Sep 3, 2007, 10:13 PM
Awwww :(

I dont care about any of those features you guys are arguing about.....i just want my damm HDD based storage.

Now i dont know what the hell i am going to do...probably buy a 5.5G i guess :(

ezekielrage_99
Sep 3, 2007, 10:17 PM
Any incremental upgrade above 8gb is going to hurt Iphone sales. Edge network is the Iphone's achiles heel, apple will NOT release in my opinion higher capacity widescreen Ipods until it addresses that issue. probably late next year.


I doubt it will hurt iPod sale if Apple releases a 4GB and 8GB version because there are people who don't need or want the phone function in a digital music player.

One line of thought with business once you have a successful established product line it is a good idea to diversify for more product recognition, brand awareness and options for the consumer, Apple has already done this with the iPod Shuffle, Mini and Nano the iPhone is just another brand of the portable Apple range.

The iPhone is a great product but it marketed to a very specific client, a product like a iPhone doesn't not compete on the price vs feature compared to the other products lines. It's about style, form, function and a hefty phone plan, not about iPod + Phone (which it does do very well), so therefore I can't see an iPod refresh hurting the iPod or visa versa.

Apple has also been very careful with separating the brand of the iPhone compared to the iPod, even thought Steve Jobs is quoted as say "The best iPod ever" the branding of it still distances itself from the iPod line.

ezekielrage_99
Sep 3, 2007, 10:27 PM
I talked with a friend a couple of years ago when he was in the market for an iPod -- "Are you going to get a black one or a white one? I think video would 'pop' better with a black one." His response was that he didn't care about video that popped, "iPods are white", he told me.

Now it's a couple of years later and I'm thinking about what some/a lot of people consider an iPod:

1) iPods are white
2) iPods have a round click wheel
3) iPods have lots of storage

I truly believe there'll still be your basic white-high storage-click wheel model we all know and love -- it'll be hotter, sexier and more badazz, but it ain't goin' nowhere.

Good post, I agree with the overall branding of the iPod, most people think sleek design, white and if it's an iPod it will have a click wheel. Apple also innovate.

But then there's the other point of view that I think black and metal is the new white for Apple, just look at the iPhone, iMac, Mac Pro and Macbook Pro the current iPods (not Nano or Shuffle) and Macbook look a little out of place.

Stylistically I think the new iPods will be more inline with the iPhone and new iMacs.

buddhahacker
Sep 3, 2007, 10:29 PM
1. . . .



4. Buying media ON your Pod: That's a big, uhhh, philosophical change for Apple, 'cos it means replumbing both iPods and iTunes to accept transfers of content FROM an iPod to a computer when you resync -- and that makes it easier (not that it's THAT hard for even semi-geeks today) to move media in directions Mamma don't allow. Maybe, but not a trivial change, even with a wifi iPod.
. . .


Just to clarify, the replumbing happened sometime back. When you sync. your iPod to a new computer iTunes informes you that there is purchased content on you iPod that isn't on you computer and do you want to transfer it to your computer. I have answered both yes and no to this question as I have sync'd my iPod to different systems. If you answer yes then the content is now on you PC, assuming you haven't exceeded your max. PC count.

While I'm not certain if I would ever purchase through my iPod it certainly get Apple one step closer to immediate gratification for the consumer. The we don't have to wait to get back to our computer to buy more content.

MacFly123
Sep 3, 2007, 10:35 PM
I talked with a friend a couple of years ago when he was in the market for an iPod -- "Are you going to get a black one or a white one? I think video would 'pop' better with a black one." His response was that he didn't care about video that popped, "iPods are white", he told me.

Now it's a couple of years later and I'm thinking about what some/a lot of people consider an iPod:

1) iPods are white
2) iPods have a round click wheel
3) iPods have lots of storage

I really don't believe that Apple is going to abandon the current "top-of-the-line" iPods. There's too many people that want at least something that is very similar to what already exists. While 5.5G iPods are a whole lot thinner, sexier and more capable than the ones that rolled off the assembly line back 2001, but essentially they're same. I equate the '01 version as a kind of "1967 VW Beetle" and today's ipod model as the Beetle 40 years later. While many people won't mind a touch screen OS X iPod, too many (I believe) will balk ... and walk. Perhaps to the MS Zune, maybe the Creative Zen or possibly to eBay for older iPod models.

I truly believe there'll still be your basic white-high storage-click wheel model we all know and love -- it'll be hotter, sexier and more badazz, but it ain't goin' nowhere.

Wow, lol, I don't even know where to begin.... I'm at a loss for words. I think you are so incredibly wrong its amazing. How did the iPod become so recognized??? Its called Apple's marketing. Has anyone ever heard of the iPhone??? Everyone has and its only been out a few months. Now you are telling me that if an iPod like the iPhone comes out that it wont be the talk of every kid on earth before Christmas lol.... Wow how exactly does your thought process work??? The iPod Touch will come out because if it doesn't after everyone has been waiting almost 2 years they will be so screwing themselves over with competition as the market leader its not even funny. The click wheel will still be on the Nanos, but within a matter of maybe 2 weeks every person on earth will know what the iPod touch is and that it is in fact an iPod and is in fact made by Apple and will be willing to sacrifice anything to get it.

ryan.axiom
Sep 3, 2007, 10:43 PM
Re: #4 from before:
Some people seem a little confused about this. You CAN transfer purchased songs from the iPod to iTunes. Try deleting one of your free songs that you got on iTunes that is also stored on your iPod. When you connect your iPod, iTunes will let you know that you have purchases on your iPod that you don't have in iTunes and ask if you would like to transfer them.
Now if they implement a purchase on-the-go feature I don't know how they would deal with a case of an iPod being stolen before it was synced at home....

I think WiFi would be a nice addition to the iPod, but doubt it will happen now. (but I'll still be hoping!) If it is included but limited to ITMS, then I'm sure there will be people selling addons to enable more robust capabilities (remote syncing and other functions depending on touchscreen or not).

I think the report of Apple buying flash memory that everyone is thinking of, that was (reportedly) 500 million 4 Gbit chips=62.5 million 4 GB chips. This doesn't seem like enough to launch a full line of large capacity flash based iPods (although they could make 6 million at 40GB). I do think they will move to flash memory soon, but whether it is Wed or not... Anyway, flash memory is getting cheaper and larger (64 GB max right now, but the technology is capable of doubling every year for at least 2 years). This is according to the Samsung website so take it as you will.

Also regarding the HDD iPods, I think there will always be a market for them. If people are really wanting more storage space, why don't you buy a bigger hard drive and put it in yourself? (I'm sure that will be less expensive than buying a new iPod...)

Mgkwho
Sep 3, 2007, 10:48 PM
Whatever.

-=|Mgkwho

Wanh
Sep 3, 2007, 10:50 PM
Awwww :(

Now i dont know what the hell i am going to do...probably buy a 5.5G i guess :(

Let's wait until the products are released ;)

ctakim
Sep 3, 2007, 11:10 PM
160, that's the number that will make me smile and stop being pissed so much at Jobs for screwing up the iPhone.


I really have no clue what you are talking about. (Typed from my iPhone):mad:

zub3qin
Sep 3, 2007, 11:16 PM
I really have no clue what you are talking about. (Typed from my iPhone):mad:

Did it take over 1 minute to type the sentence on your iPhone?
Touchscreen isn't "all that" just yet....
Buttons can be good!

currentinterest
Sep 3, 2007, 11:21 PM
I can type much faster on my iPhone than I ever could on my Treo 650.

aristobrat
Sep 3, 2007, 11:31 PM
I type way more quickly on my iPhone than I did on any Windows Mobile or BlackBerry that I owned. The auto correction on the iPhone is simply amazing.

far.fromthetree
Sep 3, 2007, 11:47 PM
Ultimate disappointment scenario:

iPod
80 - 120 GB HDD
White / Black Aluminum enclosure
"Stubby" form factor to allow for wider screen
Smaller nano sized Click Wheel so widescreen occupies most of the device
New Interface (as leaked)

iPod Nano
4, 8, 16 GB FLASH
New color pallette (as leaked)
Same form factor
Video Playback
New Interface (as leaked)

Shuffle
[quiet update after media event]
1 GB & 2 GB
New Product Red version added

iTunes 8
New iTunes radio with "Buy Now" option

Also
New array of :apple: branded accessories

Pretty much this is what would have to happen to disappoint me:eek:

ll PiStoNs ll
Sep 3, 2007, 11:51 PM
True, but you have to have your laptop out and pay for the Wi-Fi ( in most airports) and you would have to have all your docking cables out.

What a cluster...

I would like to just walk by a iTunes kiosk and dock my iPhone real quick and then be on my way.

The movie or song would also be sent to your home computer or where ever your iTunes account is set up so you won't loose that purchase in case your iPhone or iPod breaks or gets stolen.

No he means wifi purchasing off of the actual ipod would be > than kiosks for a number of reasons

Apple would sell much more songs to people on the go because there is obviously more wifi hot spots than kiosks

Apple wouldnt have to pay for the kiosks + the costs of space rental, employees, maintnence, and the costs of the kiosks them selves must be pretty expensive.

It just doesnt make sense to have kiosks when users can get the same thing with wifi and apple would save money as well.