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iPC
Aug 14, 2003, 03:05 PM
Hi all,

I know this is probably not a fair comparison... but I stumbled across the new Alienware line of laptops; Area 51 Sentia.

http://alienware.com/

http://www.alienware.com/system_pages/area-51m_sentia.aspx

I am very interested in the Alienware due to its 14" screen with a res of 1400*1050

Obviously we all know the TiBook (wish they would update it already).

Does anyone here have experience with both companies? Does Alienware meet the service levels Apple normally provides?

Thanks,
me

tazo
Aug 14, 2003, 03:15 PM
Well what do you want to do with the machine? If gaming is your thing obbviously you'll want to go with the alienware. However if you want a great looking OS, computer, that doesnt crash when you start up WC3 cuz of crap video drivers, then by a powerbook.

-tazo

Powerbook G5
Aug 14, 2003, 03:31 PM
Yeah, it basically comes down to whether you want your laptop for gaming or general productivity. It's up to you.

Kwyjibo
Aug 14, 2003, 03:32 PM
also look at the size weight and thickness. The alienwares ae usually pretty big and often have desktop chips in them produceing more heat and draining the battery more.

NavyIntel007
Aug 14, 2003, 03:35 PM
Weight, battery, sex appeal... and of course operating system.

Wes
Aug 14, 2003, 03:47 PM
My friend just bought a 2.8 ghz Area-51 it's great for games but it gets 1 hour of battery life, and just today he asked me, 'When is the powerbook g5 coming out?'.

patrick0brien
Aug 14, 2003, 04:38 PM
-iPC

Somewhere else here at MR I posted in a Matrix thread how I was at the pre-premier of Reloaded with my 12PB right next to gents and their Area51.

It was odd as it was my 12PB that got the attention.

Now, that's subjective and generally pointless, the Area 51 is designed for pure muscle for gaming. It uses a full P4 and those cusom chips. If you want a gamer for a LAN party - it's perfect.

If you want a more general machine, the PowerBook has been rated the best - by PC Magazine no less...

Daveman Deluxe
Aug 14, 2003, 05:20 PM
If I had the money, I'd get the PB for general use, then an Alienware laptop to take to LAN parties. I'd get a desktop for that, but I can't abide hauling desktops around. Too much to plug/unplug.

Powerbook G5
Aug 14, 2003, 08:43 PM
The Area 51 basically is a desktop in a laptop shell...that's why it's so big and heavy. It's definitely the ideal PC for LAN parties, though, since it's quite a bit easier to carry with you!

gello2424
Aug 15, 2003, 01:34 AM
I bought this s*** hot Alienware computer!
3.06 P4 Processor
1 GB Ram
80 GB HD
ATI 9000 128MB!! Video Card
DVD-ROM
CD-RW/DVD
Built in wireless
and also paid the 300 bucks for the special paint job.

paid my 3600 bucks waited a month for shippment. Got home was all ready to go.
Turned this baby on installed a game said WOW! this thing kicks A**. I played my game about 10 min. HAD to TURN IT OFF!!

Total WOW factor 25 min.....that is how long the darn batt. lasted LOL

Reached over grabbed my 17in Powerbook played my game that I could not finish on my new laptop and there it sits 3600 bucks in the cool black Alienware box that it came in don't get me wrong this thing does kick a** for about 30 min!!!

gello2424
Aug 15, 2003, 01:37 AM
Buy the way I thought I would just let you know this thing weighs a little over 15pounds!!! I like to use it to do curls!

Daveman Deluxe
Aug 15, 2003, 03:48 AM
gello-

Did it cross your mind to set the Alienware on a table and plug it in?

It seems more like a gaming computer for hauling to college or to LAN parties, or both. A movable desktop machine, really.

iPC
Aug 15, 2003, 08:42 AM
Sorry no replies before... no power on the East Coast :mad:

As to this particular Alienware, it is a Centrino... (1.3-1.7 GHz with Intel wireless etc), most unlike the old Area 51 (portable desktop I think that one is).

Area-51m:Sentia Performance

New Alienware Thin and Light Chassis
14.1" SXGA+ 1400x1050 LCD Display
Front Panel Instant key buttons
Synaptics Touchpad
1 Type II PCMCIA Slots
3 USB 2.0 Ports & 1 IEEE-1394 Port (4 PIN)
TV-Out through S-Video
Kensington Lock
Standard Smart Li-ION Battery
Dual Battery Support
Full Size 88-Key 19mm Pitch Keyboard
Configurable Smart Bay Support
Stereo Speakers with Volume control
Performance Benchmarks Documentation
Personalized Owner's Manual & User's Manual
FREE Custom Alienware® Mouse Pad
Latest Qualified Drivers Installed
Dimensions (H) x (W) x (D) : 1"x12"x10.6"
Weight: 5.5 lbs. w/ Battery

Abstract
Aug 15, 2003, 09:50 AM
Yes, I read this thread just now and thought it was waaaay too Mac biased. The Alienware computer is in the 'Thin and Light' section of their site, and it uses a 1.3GHz Centrino, not a P4 2.8GHz or whatever you have used. That is completely different and is just a Jobs-esque way to make unfair comparisons.

My advice is that if you know how to use both OSX and Windows, choose the system that has the right OS for you. If you're only going to write reports, do some work on Excel, and play some games, then the Alienware computer and the PB will work equally well, as long as you can stand Windows. Personally, I trust WinXP, and so do my friends. If you trust WinXP, then consider it. If you want to use OSX full time because its better ;), use it instead.

patrick0brien
Aug 15, 2003, 09:54 AM
Originally posted by iPC
Sorry no replies before... no power on the East Coast :mad:

-iPC

When I heard about the power outage, I though you'd already went out and purchased the original Area51 - and decided to turn it on :D


As to this particular Alienware, it is a Centrino... (1.3-1.7 GHz with Intel wireless etc), most unlike the old Area 51 (portable desktop I think that one is).

Hmm. What are the AlienWare-specific specs? AlienWare is known for overgoosing their machines for game play. I didn't see anything about video cards, bus speed, RAM ceiling - etc.

It looks a little like a good, but stock Centrino.

iPC
Aug 15, 2003, 10:28 AM
Originally posted by patrick0brien
-iPC

When I heard about the power outage, I though you'd already went out and purchased the original Area51 - and decided to turn it on :D


As to this particular Alienware, it is a Centrino... (1.3-1.7 GHz with Intel wireless etc), most unlike the old Area 51 (portable desktop I think that one is).

Hmm. What are the AlienWare-specific specs? AlienWare is known for overgoosing their machines for game play. I didn't see anything about video cards, bus speed, RAM ceiling - etc.

It looks a little like a good, but stock Centrino.
Hahaha! :D "Wasn't me!"

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1024MB DDR PC-2100 (max)

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Name
Intel® Extreme Graphics

Interface
AGP™ 4X

Memory
shared memory up to 64MB

Memory Type
DDR SDRAM

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1.3GHz 400MHz FSB

1.4GHz 400MHz FSB

1.6GHz 400MHz FSB

1.7GHz 400MHz FSB

~~

Seems good. I will probably wait for a review or 2.

WinXP or OS X - I can use either just fine. I also use Win98 and Mandrake 9.1 on a daily basis. Computer is just a tool. A means to an end. No biggie to me.

iJon
Aug 15, 2003, 10:40 AM
i really like the alienware's. it is just the support that bothers me. i like to be able to take my computer somewhere and have it worked on and talk to an actual rep. but unfourtantly, apple is really one of the only companies that still does in house repairs and you can talk to a local tech. personally in the pc world if im talking about that much money i would rather get a dell with the support.

iJon

patrick0brien
Aug 15, 2003, 10:54 AM
-iPC

Well, after ssing those specs, I agree with iJon. Those aren't really that much better than what you can get with a Dell or Sony. I would seriously look at those two.

If you were really into games, I'd still say get the "Portable Desktop" Area51

iPC
Aug 15, 2003, 11:03 AM
Originally posted by patrick0brien
-iPC

Well, after ssing those specs, I agree with iJon. Those aren't really that much better than what you can get with a Dell or Sony. I would seriously look at those two.

If you were really into games, I'd still say get the "Portable Desktop" Area51
I like the style of the Sentia. The Dell's new grey with blue look is ugly as sin, and I have not had good luck with Sony.

Plus, I like giving my money to smaller segments in the market (local deli instead of big grocery chain, Apple/Alienware instead of Dell, Nissan instead of Honda, etc etc).

iJon
Aug 15, 2003, 11:40 AM
Originally posted by iPC
I like the style of the Sentia. The Dell's new grey with blue look is ugly as sin, and I have not had good luck with Sony.

Plus, I like giving my money to smaller segments in the market (local deli instead of big grocery chain, Apple/Alienware instead of Dell, Nissan instead of Honda, etc etc).
hmm, dont really need support with ham. i understand your choice, i just hope little alienware service will help you out compared to the award winning dell support. but alienware makes a pretty kick ass laptop, hope it works out well for you.

iJon

Powerbook G5
Aug 15, 2003, 12:01 PM
Perhaps the power outage was due to someone plugging in an electric santa claus (for all you Simpsons fans out there). I thought at first they meant the 51, too, but the Centrino model looks decent. It doesn't look nearly as flashy, either. I have to admit that the Centrino laptops have a lot of potential--I've seen battery life quoted at up to 8 hours on some models! Not bad, especially considering they have surprisingly wonderful performance and built in wireless networking. I'd still never buy one, though, simply because I like the look of the PowerBooks and love the whole Apple experience, there is just nothing that could truly copy the whole user experience of being a Mac user.

iJon
Aug 15, 2003, 12:08 PM
Originally posted by Powerbook G5
Perhaps the power outage was due to someone plugging in an electric santa claus (for all you Simpsons fans out there). I thought at first they meant the 51, too, but the Centrino model looks decent. It doesn't look nearly as flashy, either. I have to admit that the Centrino laptops have a lot of potential--I've seen battery life quoted at up to 8 hours on some models! Not bad, especially considering they have surprisingly wonderful performance and built in wireless networking. I'd still never buy one, though, simply because I like the look of the PowerBooks and love the whole Apple experience, there is just nothing that could truly copy the whole user experience of being a Mac user.
kind of seems like everything is going backwards. intel was always on top, but we did have bettery battery life. now they have better battery life and we have the g5 and are back on top.

iJon

rueyeet
Aug 15, 2003, 01:23 PM
If the computer's just a tool, and you can run XP or X happily, and aren't heavy on the gaming, then what criteria would make the difference for you? price? weight? software availability? something else?

Because honestly, they're both perfectly good machines, and if there's no difference to you, you'd probably be fine with either one.

Me--I'm thoroughly disgusted with the whole Blaster thing. I've got better things to do than become my own system maintenance expert and watch c|net or MS to try and figure out when one of the constant patches is actually necessary--and safe! That alone would make the difference for me. But sure, that may be just me.

Back on the TiBook side, if you buy one now, you could very well be just missing the next round of updates.

Really, if there aren't any factors that would make the difference, it seems a six of one, half-dozen of the other question.

gello2424
Aug 15, 2003, 02:17 PM
I am sorry I got all you people upset over the post. If I remember right I never said I didn't like my Alienware despite what I said I am not going to let a 3600 dollar computer just sit there. To me a mobile computer should be just that mobile. I have the great life of being able to live on the beach here in CA and last time I check it was not a good idea to run a power cord out your house and across the sand!!! I have purchased a extra batt. and now if I turn things down just a bit I can get about 1 1/2 hours of life time. To me that seems fair seeing what it has in it.

And to all the other people this is a Alienware 51M<---- not the new lines they just started making.
I was just trying to let there person know that made the post to begin with what I knew about this line.

Alienware 51M's great computers
They are really heavy.
They get really really hot (that goes without saying)
Batt life is really lacking.

And to the people that said pick what is best for you.

I did :) I am one of those people that has to get the newest and greatest electronic thing.

Oh yeah! I also love OS X now! Been a Windows guy all the way from my 386!!
I also very much like what Windows has done with XP PRO (if they could just stop putting holes so that some 15 year old kid can get in my computer! :) )

Ok I am going to shutup now!

iPC
Aug 15, 2003, 03:17 PM
Originally posted by rueyeet
If the computer's just a tool, and you can run XP or X happily, and aren't heavy on the gaming, then what criteria would make the difference for you? price? weight? software availability? something else?

Because honestly, they're both perfectly good machines, and if there's no difference to you, you'd probably be fine with either one.

Me--I'm thoroughly disgusted with the whole Blaster thing. I've got better things to do than become my own system maintenance expert and watch c|net or MS to try and figure out when one of the constant patches is actually necessary--and safe! That alone would make the difference for me. But sure, that may be just me.

Back on the TiBook side, if you buy one now, you could very well be just missing the next round of updates.

Really, if there aren't any factors that would make the difference, it seems a six of one, half-dozen of the other question.
MSBlaster doesn't bother me much... the update has been around for a while now. Most Windows users I know ask "should I install this critical update thingy???" :rolleyes: I pay more attention than that, and I have a nice fast cable modem at home anyway. I have noticed more security updates for OS X lately as well. As it becomes a more prevelant OS, there will be more exploits written against it. Nobody is secure if they are on a network that has outside access. Heck, most internal closed networks aren't secure either. Things are still better than they were in 1995 when your PC (if you had one) was always getting virii.

For me, it is a question of hardware. I know the TiBook fairly well, it hasn't changed much for a few years now (speed bumps and DVI aren't that big of a deal). Alienware has always intrigued me, but I have never played with any of their laptops. Besides, that green is just the shiznit for me! (I also love Kawasaki green)

When is the TiBook being updated? Does anyone really know? Seems to me they should have done that a loooooong time ago. "Year of the laptop" and all. *sigh* Times like this I hate technology; you always buy at the wrong time.

Thanks for the input guys/gals. Have a good one! :D

Capt Underpants
Aug 15, 2003, 04:35 PM
Originally posted by gello2424
I bought this s*** hot Alienware computer!
3.06 P4 Processor
1 GB Ram
80 GB HD
ATI 9000 128MB!! Video Card
DVD-ROM
CD-RW/DVD
Built in wireless
and also paid the 300 bucks for the special paint job.

paid my 3600 bucks waited a month for shippment. Got home was all ready to go.
Turned this baby on installed a game said WOW! this thing kicks A**. I played my game about 10 min. HAD to TURN IT OFF!!

Total WOW factor 25 min.....that is how long the darn batt. lasted LOL

Reached over grabbed my 17in Powerbook played my game that I could not finish on my new laptop and there it sits 3600 bucks in the cool black Alienware box that it came in don't get me wrong this thing does kick a** for about 30 min!!!

OK...... Maybe you should call alienware and get them to replace the battery, or get this...... Plug it in.

iJon
Aug 15, 2003, 05:07 PM
Originally posted by Capt Underpants
OK...... Maybe you should call alienware and get them to replace the battery, or get this...... Plug it in.
replace the battery.......thats how long it lasts, there is nothing wrong with it. and who wants to plug in their computer every 25 minutes. i still get annoyed plugging mine in every 4 hours. you should read cnets review of that alienware, they said they couldnt do the battery test because it wouldnt last long enough to complete, they barely made it by with 2.

iJon

FusionMachine
Aug 15, 2003, 06:13 PM
I was in the same situation as you...wait for the updated PBs, or wait (hopefully less) for the Alienware Sentia. As someone who needed a laptop fairly soon (for college) I decided that it wasn't in my best interests to wait for either product, since even after the product was announced, it typically would take a few weeks for shipping quantities to be available. That meant sticking with Windows (and believe me, I really wanted to switch). Feeling backed into something I didn't want to do, I did some more research and found a company called VooDoo PC (www.voodoopc.com). Like Alienware, they make gaming PCs, but theirs are far more custom, and they'll work to tune Windows exactly how you want it. They claim to bring a high level of performance and stability out of Windows. I was convinced enough to buy their M355 laptop. It's got a 1.5 gHz Pentium M, full Centrino package, 1GB DDR RAM, 15" screen, and an automotive paint job that should rival the appearance and coolness factor of a Powerbook. It's just over an inch thick and should weigh about 5.5 pounds. Unfortunately, between the time spent tuning Windows (and the hardware) and applying multiple coats of paint to the case, my build time is about a month, but it's still way more certain than the PBs, and even the Sentia isn't in complete production yet. If you want to stick with Windows, I'd suggest you check out Voodoo.

Oh, and before I get flamed for advertising Voodoo here, let me state for the record that I wanted a Powerbook sooooooo badly. It's just that the current updates have taken so long that now they're nothing more than a stopgap until the G5 PBs come along. It's simply not a good time to buy an Apple laptop, and I needed to buy now. Rest assured that 4 years from now i'll be looking into the G6 PowerBook.

asphalt-proof
Aug 15, 2003, 06:38 PM
There are other alternatives such as Linux based laptops. Polywell makes a couple of very nice laptops with a 14" SVGA screen and Centrino etc. The great thing is that it only weight 4.75 lbs. Oh and you can get linux on it if you want. Also:
www.powernotebook.com
www.emperorlinux.com
This is a great way to get an affordable laptop with no windows.

I know that this is a Mac forum but I agree with a previous contribuor about using smaller computer distributors.

just my .02$

iJon
Aug 15, 2003, 06:50 PM
Originally posted by FusionMachine
I was in the same situation as you...wait for the updated PBs, or wait (hopefully less) for the Alienware Sentia. As someone who needed a laptop fairly soon (for college) I decided that it wasn't in my best interests to wait for either product, since even after the product was announced, it typically would take a few weeks for shipping quantities to be available. That meant sticking with Windows (and believe me, I really wanted to switch). Feeling backed into something I didn't want to do, I did some more research and found a company called VooDoo PC (www.voodoopc.com). Like Alienware, they make gaming PCs, but theirs are far more custom, and they'll work to tune Windows exactly how you want it. They claim to bring a high level of performance and stability out of Windows. I was convinced enough to buy their M355 laptop. It's got a 1.5 gHz Pentium M, full Centrino package, 1GB DDR RAM, 15" screen, and an automotive paint job that should rival the appearance and coolness factor of a Powerbook. It's just over an inch thick and should weigh about 5.5 pounds. Unfortunately, between the time spent tuning Windows (and the hardware) and applying multiple coats of paint to the case, my build time is about a month, but it's still way more certain than the PBs, and even the Sentia isn't in complete production yet. If you want to stick with Windows, I'd suggest you check out Voodoo.

Oh, and before I get flamed for advertising Voodoo here, let me state for the record that I wanted a Powerbook sooooooo badly. It's just that the current updates have taken so long that now they're nothing more than a stopgap until the G5 PBs come along. It's simply not a good time to buy an Apple laptop, and I needed to buy now. Rest assured that 4 years from now i'll be looking into the G6 PowerBook.
i couldnt agree more, i completly forgot about them. my friend just ordered one and they build it by hand exactly like you want. its like a little slave camp full of elves who build these things, and make them perfect.

iJon

F/reW/re
Aug 16, 2003, 08:19 AM
Originally posted by iJon
replace the battery.......thats how long it lasts, there is nothing wrong with it. and who wants to plug in their computer every 25 minutes. i still get annoyed plugging mine in every 4 hours. you should read cnets review of that alienware, they said they couldnt do the battery test because it wouldnt last long enough to complete, they barely made it by with 2.

iJon
If you wanted a portable with long batterylife, why the **** did you buy a machine with a P4 prosessor? If you didn't do more research before you bought it you can only blame yourself.

P4 = Power and heat!
P4m = Power with speedstep technology.
P-m = Speed with battery!

That alienware with 1.7 P -m and 7200rpm HD and a ati gfx card will crush all the powerbooks when it comes to speed.

iJon
Aug 16, 2003, 10:07 AM
Originally posted by F/reW/re
If you wanted a portable with long batterylife, why the **** did you buy a machine with a P4 prosessor? If you didn't do more research before you bought it you can only blame yourself.

P4 = Power and heat!
P4m = Power with speedstep technology.
P-m = Speed with battery!

That alienware with 1.7 P -m and 7200rpm HD and a ati gfx card will crush all the powerbooks when it comes to speed.
My powerbook has a g4, not a p4 ;). that alienware may crush it in speed, but only for 30 minutes and when im not playing games it completly worthless to me.

iJon

F/reW/re
Aug 16, 2003, 10:58 AM
Originally posted by iJon
My powerbook has a g4, not a p4 ;). that alienware may crush it in speed, but only for 30 minutes and when im not playing games it completly worthless to me.

iJon
You just don't get it...?

http://www.alienware.com/system_pag...51m_sentia.aspx
This is the computer this thread is about! It's not the computer you are reffering to! You cannot compare battery lifetime on a portable using P4 and P-M. Portables using Pentium -M have batterylifetime up to 5 hours (http://www.barbara.no/images/tun1555battery.gif) + +


P4 is for people who wants POWER!
P-M is for people who wants power and battery.

P-M 1.7 GHz is as fast as a P4 2.8 / 2.6 GHz

Apple has only one option; power and battery.

iJon
Aug 16, 2003, 11:11 AM
Originally posted by F/reW/re
You just don't get it...?

http://www.alienware.com/system_pag...51m_sentia.aspx
This is the computer this thread is about! It's not the computer you are reffering to! You cannot compare battery lifetime on a portable using P4 and P-M. Portables using Pentium -M have batterylifetime up to 5 hours (http://www.barbara.no/images/tun1555battery.gif) + +


P4 is for people who wants POWER!
P-M is for people who wants power and battery.

P-M 1.7 GHz is as fast as a P4 2.8 / 2.6 GHz

Apple has only one option; power and battery.
i know that, im still trying to figure out what your saying, you sound like your mad asking me why i bought a p4 laptop when i never even owned one...

iJon

F/reW/re
Aug 16, 2003, 11:45 AM
Originally posted by iJon
i know that, im still trying to figure out what your saying, you sound like your mad asking me why i bought a p4 laptop when i never even owned one...

iJon
Hehehehe :P, sorry, most likely just my bad english ;)