Anyone else tired of this computer "war" ?

[couch potato]

I just read that post about the forum that was bashing macs. The things those PC users say, its just annoying. This "war" is really stupid- macs vs PC's. Not ever PC or mac user fights it. but, there are so many PC users out there just bash macs without reason. Like the guy on that PC forum:( There are three kinds of PC users i have met over the past year: The ones who only try to expose the truth, and the ones who ignorantly bash macs, and the ones who use noth macs and PCs.

I meet PC users on gameranger. They use macs and PCs. PCs for gaming, macs for work or everything but gaming. They don't come on and start bashing macs, but they don't start bashing PC's either. Good people:)

Then there is the ignorant PC user. Bashes macs. Saying macs will never be as fast as PC's. As soon as Apple comes out with a great new product, they quickly start attacking it for one reason or another. They think mac users are morons. I have a PC user friend (he used to use macs) who plays mohaa with me. One day, when we were looking for a server, he say a MacAddict server, and told me that everyone who played on that server is a noob because they use macs. That pissed me off.

Then there is the person who isn't biased at all. They may use a PC, but they don't hate macs. They give the strengths and weaknesses of each computer. "macs are great, but i can't afford one." or "i dont hates macs, but i wouldn't have much of a use for one. they are great computers though"

Mac users (keep in mind, im not saying every PC or Mac user is like this, just some people :\) used to say that macs were faster, but they weren't. at least for a while. but they always used games to compare macs and PC's. my friend says PC's are better because games run better on them :(

The day the G5 came out, the same friend called me up and told me the G5 is really slower. He found some independent benchmarks of the G5 vs a PC, and the PC won. i told him G5 doesn't ship yet, and he never talked about it again:rolleyes:

so why is this stupid "war" still going on.

sorry, i just needed to get those thoughts out:(

[MacsRgr8]

I think it's kinda fun.
Just like talking politics (NOT HERE!!!), or why you like a particular brand of beer, or cars or whatever.
A clash of preferences results in battle.

[Powerbook G5]

Well, I used to not even want anything to do with a Mac...until I used one. Now, I love them and can't imagine not having a Mac. A lot of it is just that most people are only exposed to PCs and don't ever have a chance to use one. Before these Apple Stores started popping out, I had never seen a Mac until sometime around the first half of 1999 when I saw a Wallstreet at CompUSA while looking for a computer to replace my constantly breaking down Compaq laptop. The section just kind of fades into the Mac section and I saw the Wallstreet sitting there and didn't realize it was a Mac until I realized the OS was really different and kind of cool. A month later I went to Apple.com and noticed the new Lombard just came out and bought it right away and have been a happy Mac user ever since. Over the years, all my friends who have been the anti-Mac kind of people have slowly switched, too, or just mention how cool this Mac is or the latest cool thing Apple just came out with. I almost switched my parents, too, but when it came down to it, they couldn't justify paying $1500 for an iMac when they got a Dell configured with a 2.8 GHz P4 and 512 megs RAM with a DVD burner and CD burner for $950. They were so close, too...but maybe next time in a few years they'll replace the Dell with an Apple. My parents both fell in love with the iMac when I drug them into the Apple Store so I could talk to one of the girls who works there (I sold here a winning scratch off ticket so she hooks me up with great deals).

[etoiles]

people just like to simplify things. If this is good, then that must be bad. Black and white. I am right, you are wrong...etc. And people also often fail to see the similarities...denounce something on 'the other side' which is not better on their own.

It goes both ways. Remember that a lot of mac users hate PC's...no matter what. I just bought a PC for 3D work because it beats the mac for speed and choice of software. I would chose a PC over a mac for gaming, too, but then I have a PS2 which works fine for me ;)

I much prefer OSX over windows and Apple's industrial design is gorgeous, so I'll probably buy a new powerbook when they come out...yes, I can have both.

If you are objective (and a resident of the real world), you cannot say this computer/os is better than that one. It all depends on your use. And standardization in itself is not a bad thing, even if the standard is not the best. At least you can comunicate/work with more people.
But people like to fight holy wars...

So be more secure and happy with your choices and let people talk.

[iJon]

I believe it is our fate to be here. It is our destiny. I believe this night holds for each and every one of use, the very meaning of our lives. This is a war and we are soldiers. What if tomorrow the war could be over, isnt that worth fighting for, isnt that worth dying for....Anyways its fun if you know what your talking about and the G5 makes the argument easier.

iJon

[Independence]

Like the guy on that PC forum
it's not a PC forum. it's a forum for games made by Blizzard. i'm sure Mac users roam that forum too since some of Blizzard's games are available for Windows and Mac OS.

just thought i'd clear that up.

[tazo]

The fact of the matter is is that Apple fans put out just as much bad blood for pc users as they do in return. I see plenty of pc bashing over here, from ironic blanket statements to everything crashes to every case is ugly.

Don't practice what you don't preach guys.

[patrick0brien]

Originally posted by iJon
I believe it is our fate to be here. It is our destiny. I believe this night holds for each and every one of use, the very meaning of our lives. This is a war and we are soldiers. What if tomorrow the war could be over, isnt that worth fighting for, isnt that worth dying for....Anyways its fun if you know what your talking about and the G5 makes the argument easier.

iJon

-I think my head just exploded.

[Billicus]

Originally posted by tazo
The fact of the matter is that Apple fans put out just as much bad blood for pc users as they do in return. I see plenty of pc bashing over here, from ironic blanket statements to everything crashes to every case is ugly.

Don't practice what you don't preach guys.

I agree. While I'm not fond of PC's they have their advantages, chip speed being a big plus. But since Apple is in charge of the whole picture, their products are less likely, on average, to have hardware/software clashes.

[Billicus]

Originally posted by patrick0brien
-I think my head just exploded.

lol :eek:

[bousozoku]

Sure, it's tiring but it's not going away any time soon.

There was the sixer and eighter debate (6502/6800 vs. 8080/Z80). Then, the Commodore vs. Apple vs. Atari debate. Then, the CP/M vs. MS-DOS debate, the Commodore Amiga vs. Atari ST vs. Apple Macintosh debate.

People like to show that they made the best decision, even when they didn't. ;)

[iJon]

Originally posted by patrick0brien
-I think my head just exploded.
damn, i hope peple know what thats from. i wanted it be funny not confusing.

iJon

[LethalWolfe]

Originally posted by tazo
The fact of the matter is is that Apple fans put out just as much bad blood for pc users as they do in return. I see plenty of pc bashing over here, from ironic blanket statements to everything crashes to every case is ugly.

Don't practice what you don't preach guys.


What tazo said. I dislike Mac zealots as much as I dislike PC zealots (or any other kinda of zealot for that matter).


Lethal

[tazo]

Originally posted by LethalWolfe
What tazo said. I dislike Mac zealots as much as I dislike PC zealots (or any other kinda of zealot for that matter).


Lethal

Well said. The bottom line is that both platforms have their good and bad points, and the day we can all accept that, is the same day that HP doesnt cause you to stab yourself in the eye.

-tazo

[Cubeboy]

In my opinion, there are two main reasons that people (including myself) constantly (and rather pointlessly) "war" over the "superiority" of macs over PCs (and vice versa).

1) People get emotionally attached with their purchasing decisions, they don't want to look *bad* for making the *wrong* decision. Thus they will put forth all their effort into trying to prove that the purchase they made was a *good* purchase (and thus the *right* decision on their part).

2) People have their notions and beliefs, and they tend to defend those beliefs vigorously. We've all seen how "heated" political debates can get, I think we can apply the same principle here.

The first reason seems to be inherent in all of us although to varying degrees, the second is very common but not absolute. It seems that most of the time, both these reasons go hand in hand.

[LethalWolfe]

Originally posted by Cubeboy
In my opinion, there are two main reasons that people (including myself) constantly (and rather pointlessly) "war" over the "superiority" of macs over PCs (and vice versa).

1) People get emotionally attached with their purchasing decisions, they don't want to look *bad* for making the *wrong* decision. Thus they will put forth all their effort into trying to prove that the purchase they made was a *good* purchase (and thus the *right* decision on their part).

2) People have their notions and beliefs, and they tend to defend those beliefs vigorously. We've all seen how "heated" political debates can get, I think we can apply the same principle here.

The first reason seems to be inherent in all of us although to varying degrees, the second is very common but not absolute. It seems that most of the time, both these reasons go hand in hand.

Well said. We have another level headed post, something's terribly wrong here (besides my spelling). ;)


Lethal

[couch potato]

Originally posted by tazo
The fact of the matter is is that Apple fans put out just as much bad blood for pc users as they do in return. I see plenty of pc bashing over here, from ironic blanket statements to everything crashes to every case is ugly.

Don't practice what you don't preach guys.

did i say mac users don't bash? nooo:eek:
we just return fire, not start it. hey, like i said, i cant/am not speaking for everyone.:rolleyes:

but alas, i would say its fairly obvious what goes on:(

i believe that both sides are at fault, tho:o

i just figured that the bashing would decrease, of macs that is, because macs are seriously getting better. not just the "mhz doesn't matter" routine, but actually improving. hardware and software. i bash windows all the time, to my shame:eek:

[Capt Underpants]

Originally posted by iJon
damn, i hope peple know what thats from. i wanted it be funny not confusing.

iJon

Well it is sad if people do not know what that quote is from.

[patrick0brien]

Originally posted by iJon
damn, i hope peple know what thats from. i wanted it be funny not confusing.

iJon

-iJon

I know what that's from, and seeing it applied here is what caused the cranial overpressure.

Still cleaning up - oh, and crawling into a bottle of scotch.

-Tazo

"The bottom line is that both platforms have their good and bad points, and the day we can all accept that, is the same day that HP doesnt cause you to stab yourself in the eye."
I think you've found your next .sig.

[XnavxeMiyyep]

Macs and PCs each have their advantages. Macs have a nicer, stabler OS than Windows. Windows has software compatibility, and better gaming. PCs held the speed advantage for awhile, were cheaper, and supported more OSes.

And if the reason Windows is so unstable is because it has to be programmed for so many hardware configurations, why is Linux, which in general runs on PCs and Macs, so much more stable?

PCs and Macs have their places, I just prefer Macs.

[LethalWolfe]

Originally posted by XnavxeMiyyep
Macs and PCs each have their advantages. Macs have a nicer, stabler OS than Windows. Windows has software compatibility, and better gaming. PCs held the speed advantage for awhile, were cheaper, and supported more OSes.

And if the reason Windows is so unstable is because it has to be programmed for so many hardware configurations, why is Linux, which in general runs on PCs and Macs, so much more stable?

PCs and Macs have their places, I just prefer Macs.


Comparing an OS like Linux to an OS aimed at end users (Windows or Mac OS) is flawed, IMO, because they are different beasts. Also, I'm pretty sure that Linux has a much more limited selection of hardware and software that will work w/it right out of the box. I know that Linux support from manufacturers is growing but it's still a common thing to need "homemade" drivers and/or software to get hardware working that would normally be plug and play in a Mac or Windows machine.


Lethal

[tazo]

lol obrien, maybe :D

And to the individual who said we don't start wars, what company came up with the switcher commercials?

;)

[FriarTuck]

Now come on, a little zealotry never hurt anybo...

nevermind.

[CooCooCaChoo]

Originally posted by XnavxeMiyyep
Macs and PCs each have their advantages. Macs have a nicer, stabler OS than Windows. Windows has software compatibility, and better gaming. PCs held the speed advantage for awhile, were cheaper, and supported more OSes.

And if the reason Windows is so unstable is because it has to be programmed for so many hardware configurations, why is Linux, which in general runs on PCs and Macs, so much more stable?

PCs and Macs have their places, I just prefer Macs.

That isn't necessarily true. A large number of Linux users are also programmers, meaning, if one were to find a quirk with their hardware, they can easily access the source code for it, write a patch to work around that particular quirk, submit it back to the "collective" and voila, the next patch release will include a patch to stop issues from arising when using that particular hardware combination.

Linux is alot more fault tolerant in that there is a larger programmer to user ratio, meaning, when issues do arrise concerning hardware quirks, these issues can be instantly coded around and thus, even on semi-sh*thouse hardware, one stil still expect a reasonable level of reliability.

[Powerbook G5]

A little bias is all right, I believe, afterall, if you like one particular platform, you have your reasons for it. The thing I believe you need to be careful of, though, is personal attacks of other people for the platform they choose. I know it's difficult when they repeatedly attack you for being a Mac user and not just the Mac itself, but sometimes you just have to be the better person. Besides, they usually need your help to fix their Windows problems, anyway. :)

[mim]

Originally posted by Powerbook G5
My parents both fell in love with the iMac when I drug them into the Apple Store so I could talk to one of the girls who works there (I sold here a winning scratch off ticket so she hooks me up with great deals).

It's amazing the switching tactics people are resorting to! Drugging parents!

If they were "falling in love" I guess you were giving them e's?

:p couldn't resist, sorry!

[Powerbook G5]

*drugs mim* Mwaha!

[mim]

Originally posted by bousozoku
There was the sixer and eighter debate (6502/6800 vs. 8080/Z80). Then, the Commodore vs. Apple vs. Atari debate. Then, the CP/M vs. MS-DOS debate, the Commodore Amiga vs. Atari ST vs. Apple Macintosh debate.


Oh, I'm not sure this was much of an issue - or debated very often. The Amiga was clearly superior.
<puts spoon back in pocket>

couchpotato-

Opinions are a good thing. It's why life can be wonderful and exciting, rather than being bland and monotonous. It's good to have your beliefs challanged. And it's great to find people who think the same as you,.

The trick is to understand that the PC people who are bothering you are expressing their thoughts which challenge your position. If their arguments aren't rational, you ignore them - hard sometimes when it gets down to name calling, but it's all you can do in the end. The people with rational arguments might actually have a valid point or two - so it's always worth listening even if you don't agree.

Erk - hope this doesn't sound like preaching....it's just sad to see something like this getting to you. Remember that Mac's have a special something that appeals to certain types of people. Apple's brand loyalty is the biggest thing that all other computer manufacturers envy. There must be a reason for it ;)

[mim]

Originally posted by Powerbook G5
*drugs mim* Mwaha!

....and just when I was recovering from Friday night, the horror begins again....

[Durandal7]

Originally posted by bousozoku

There was the sixer and eighter debate (6502/6800 vs. 8080/Z80). Then, the Commodore vs. Apple vs. Atari debate. Then, the CP/M vs. MS-DOS debate, the Commodore Amiga vs. Atari ST vs. Apple Macintosh debate.

I would have to go with 6502/6800, Commodore 64 and CP/M.

The last one is tricky, I'll say Amiga up to the point that System 7 appeared, at that point it swings to the Mac's favor.

[G4scott]

You mean Macs aren't the best out there?

You mean Apple won't rule the world?

You mean Steve Jobs ISN'T GOD?!?!

:rolleyes:

It's not that I have anything against pee-cee's or anything like that... I just have fun making little jokes about all the inconveniences of using a pee-cee.

I also say stuff like "Now if you were using a Mac...", and although most of the time it's true, I don't dwell on it. My friends and I laugh it off.

Now there was this one guy who thought he could hack my computer. I gave him my IP. He said I was running net bios, and had tons of different ports open. I had a nice firewall up, and I was like, I only have 4 ports open, and I'm running UNIX. He then got offensive, saying I was wrong, and that my own portscans were wrong. The guy didn't even know how to get past my cable modem's basic firewall... And he calls himself a hacker... He can't even hack it! :p

I try not to get into discussions about Mac vs PC online, because they usually end in a bad way. Mac users will start up something, and then get tired of listening to the pee-cee apes, so they'll quit, and the pee-cee guys will claim a 'victory' over Apple. It just feeds the flame, and it's already too hot to handle. I only enjoy the whole Mac vs PC thing when it's an intelligent discussion, and not personal insults flying around questioning everyone's sexuality...

[Mac Kiwi]

I cant get over how many PC users who have never owned or used a Mac,think that you start them up and they crash,you restart and it crashes,and so on and so on.



I think what is happening at the moment is that the G5 is blurring the lines for some PC users and they are afraid they might have some crow coming,whether they admit it or not is another thing.



Also I think at the moment we are wearing the ire of some PC users for the G5 campaign,ie worlds fastest,64bit etc,hypothetically imagine if Intel had come out and said they had the fastest desktop puter in the world,and if it was fronted by Gates,imagine the crap we would be giving the ad,so I think it may be sort of similar for the hard core PC users at the moment jmo

[Cubeboy]

Originally posted by Mac Kiwi

Also I think at the moment we are wearing the ire of some PC users for the G5 campaign,ie worlds fastest,64bit etc,hypothetically imagine if Intel had come out and said they had the fastest desktop puter in the world,and if it was fronted by Gates,imagine the crap we would be giving the ad,so I think it may be sort of similar for the hard core PC users at the moment jmo

Heh heh, no kidding, you should've seen some of the PC forums right after WWDC, I'd think I'm putting it very lightly when I say things have gone of the far end :D. Of course, I wouldn't necessarily blame them, there were more than a few mac zealots who felt it necessary to fling mud in everyone's face and proclaim highly flameable things such as "G5 outpaces Pee4, Dopteron, and Itanic".

I have to admit though, this forum seems to be alot milder than most other forums I've been to, very impressive.

[benixau]

As for linux - ever tried debian? This is what linux is for geeks. Ever used Mandrake? Its getting there really well.

Windows is a good OS -really. Its just that Apple writes a better one in some ways. You show me a program for MacOS X that allows packet writing on a CD-RW and I will totally smash windows. But there isnt one. Apple does a lot to hurt its developer community (menu extras anyone) where as windows, whilst not totally open doesnt keep nearly as many useful private APIs. If Apple were as open about its APIs then we would have the truly upper-hand.

As a developer from MacOS X I can tell you it is nicer to do obj-c on a mac than c++ on a pc. But hey, we all have our choices - i recently got a fujifilm DSC w/Super CCD (S602Z if you want to know). Anyone aware of digital cameras will know that fuji claims that their 3MP SCCD can do 6MP. My best friend wont buy anything other than Nikon or Olympus.

Anyway, ending a longish rant, its all personal preference. Some people dont know any better. Some people have no choice. And some people (IMO: why on earth) prefer.

I prefer a mac and MacOS X. Another good friend prefers Windows XP Pro. My best buddy has a Windows XP Pro desktop and a 12" PB and a 15GB iPod to top it off.

[tazo]

Originally posted by benixau
As for linux - ever tried debian? This is what linux is for geeks. Ever used Mandrake? Its getting there really well.

Windows is a good OS -really. Its just that Apple writes a better one in some ways. You show me a program for MacOS X that allows packet writing on a CD-RW and I will totally smash windows. But there isnt one. Apple does a lot to hurt its developer community (menu extras anyone) where as windows, whilst not totally open doesnt keep nearly as many useful private APIs. If Apple were as open about its APIs then we would have the truly upper-hand.

As a developer from MacOS X I can tell you it is nicer to do obj-c on a mac than c++ on a pc. But hey, we all have our choices - i recently got a fujifilm DSC w/Super CCD (S602Z if you want to know). Anyone aware of digital cameras will know that fuji claims that their 3MP SCCD can do 6MP. My best friend wont buy anything other than Nikon or Olympus.

Anyway, ending a longish rant, its all personal preference. Some people dont know any better. Some people have no choice. And some people (IMO: why on earth) prefer.

I prefer a mac and MacOS X. Another good friend prefers Windows XP Pro. My best buddy has a Windows XP Pro desktop and a 12" PB and a 15GB iPod to top it off.

Man if that wasn't the epitome of an ADHD-esque post on this message board..... :p

[benixau]

Originally posted by tazo
Man if that wasn't the epitome of an ADHD-esque post on this message board..... :p

how polite people are on these boards :D

[tazo]

Originally posted by benixau
how polite people are on these boards :D

LOL I don't usually point out stuff like that but every other word was pointing to a different topic :D