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shear dude
Sep 10, 2007, 09:36 PM
http://www.apple.com/iphone/
Go to this site and look for the ringtone tab (won't let me copy and paste) but it says "Custom Ringtones. Now available from iTunes." Has it always said this?



atarin
Sep 10, 2007, 09:44 PM
I just logged into iTunes, looked up Aretha Franklin's "Respect" (since SJ used it as an example), and the bell showed up! It must be working!

MattyMac
Sep 10, 2007, 09:51 PM
http://www.apple.com/iphone/
Go to this site and look for the ringtone tab (won't let me copy and paste) but it says "Custom Ringtones. Now available from iTunes." Has it always said this?

Good find! Too bad I just sent my mac in for repair...

I just logged into iTunes, looked up Aretha Franklin's "Respect" (since SJ used it as an example), and the bell showed up! It must be working!

Sweet!

aerospace
Sep 10, 2007, 09:51 PM
yeay another feature i'll never use! :eek:


i want gps dagnabit!

Okiewan
Sep 10, 2007, 09:51 PM
nada.
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FreeState
Sep 10, 2007, 09:52 PM
Just spotted the bell icon on Depeche Mode's Precious...

http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewAlbum?playlistId=82098671&s=143441&i=82098328

also seen on an couple others... haven't tried downloading them yet - any one try it yet?

Okiewan
Sep 10, 2007, 09:53 PM
yeay another feature i'll never use! :eek:


i want gps dagnabit!Buy a phone that has it? do boi dep (http://doxinh.com/danh-muc/do-boi/) quan ao thoi trang dep (http://doxinh.com.vn/danh-muc/quan-ao-thoi-trang/) chan goi so sinh (http://doxinh.vn/danh-muc/do-so-sinh-cho-be/chan-goi-so-sinh/) vay cong so (http://trangbanbuon.com/danh-muc/thoi-trang-cong-so/vay-cong-so/) vay cong so (http://trangbanbuon.vn/danh-muc/thoi-trang-cong-so/vay-cong-so/) chup anh da ngoai (http://roses.vn/studio/chup-anh-studio/chup-anh-da-ngoai/)

siurpeeman
Sep 10, 2007, 09:53 PM
not just ringtones, does anybody else notice the spotlight-esque search results?

Aperture
Sep 10, 2007, 09:58 PM
I'm not getting the icon? I have the latest rev. of iTunes.

Edit: Ah, you have to right click and enable ringtones. Neat

aerospace
Sep 10, 2007, 09:58 PM
nah hoping someone makes an aftermarket add on, or iphone v2 gets it and i can upgrade

FreeState
Sep 10, 2007, 09:58 PM
not just ringtones, does anybody else notice the spotlight-esque search results?

Yep like this:) Whoo hoo... love it

Canuck4
Sep 10, 2007, 09:59 PM
Same here :(
Is MMS too much to ask for?

yeay another feature i'll never use! :eek:


!

FreeState
Sep 10, 2007, 09:59 PM
I'm not getting the icon? I have the latest rev. of iTunes.

Edit: Ah, you have to right click and enable ring tones. Neat

When your looking at a search result hit "Command J" and select ringtone:)

atarin
Sep 10, 2007, 10:14 PM
Can someone tell me who is going to waste their time in browser mode in iTunes to find songs that can be made into ringtones? Unless I am having a *really* blonde moment, I cannot find a way to just look up a song or artist without going through all the hoops that iTunes in browser mode requires. It takes forever just to find a compatible song! Also, why isn't there an easy way to check if songs I already purchased are ringtone ready?

I think I am just going to stick with iToner and Garage Band. Any idea why they made this so difficult? Do they know no one is likely to really do this and do they know that we will all probably stick with our hacks that are already working just fine (and free)? Why bother with this? They must know this is really user unfriendly.

Maybe I'm being quick to judge. Maybe it's just a fluke that the bells are showing up for me (haven't tried to make a ringtone; don't really know that I want to spend the money). I suppose since they didn't make an official announcement that it's up, and since I only found it by accident, it might not be 100% ready; but I did what SJ did in the demo to find songs, so I'm thinking that is how they intend this to work. I just think it could be better.

stomachdoc
Sep 10, 2007, 10:19 PM
I don't think this is fully implemented yet; I purchased a song with a "bell" but there was no option to purchase the ringtone portion and the "bell" does not show up in my "purchased" list; just in the store. Nevertheless, the "coming soon" banner is off of the website now........

schulzmc
Sep 10, 2007, 10:21 PM
No bells at all for me - are you sure that you are seeing them? Hearing any ringing in your ears?:)

Peace
Sep 10, 2007, 10:24 PM
You can't get/make ringtones from iTunes currently.The OP is referring to the bell icon in the columns denoting if a song is capable of being a ringtone.The bell has a column but Aretha's "r-e-s-p-e-c-t" doesn't have a checked box in that column.

mobilehavoc
Sep 10, 2007, 10:25 PM
Anyone know how to add the ringtone column to your current library or Purchased playlist so I can see if any of the music I already paid for by some miracle is on Apple's ringtone-capable list?

schulzmc
Sep 10, 2007, 10:25 PM
Hey - now I have bells. I didn't a few minutes ago...

mobilehavoc
Sep 10, 2007, 10:27 PM
I don't think it's working right...aren't we supposed to be able to use our current library for ringtones where there are purchased tracks that are allowed???

gr8tfly
Sep 10, 2007, 10:28 PM
Anyone know how to add the ringtone column to your current library or Purchased playlist so I can see if any of the music I already paid for by some miracle is on Apple's ringtone-capable list?

Right-click on any column while you have the purchased list up. You can then enable the Ringtone column. I did that, but none of my purchased songs show up as having "ringtone" capability.

When I did that to enable the column while my shopping cart was up, I got a dialog saying it would look through my songs and show which ones were available as ringtones (and show the bell icon). I didn't get this when enabling the column for my purchased songs.

Tommyg117
Sep 10, 2007, 10:31 PM
I have no bells

synth3tik
Sep 10, 2007, 10:35 PM
I don't get any stupid bells, no bother as it is a really stupid feature, at least for that price.

atarin
Sep 10, 2007, 10:38 PM
OK, it now seems that you *can* get the bells to show up in "regular" iTunes Store mode, but you need to do a view>options> then check the ringtone box for each search? It goes away if you search for something else and you have to put it back each time. Odd! I don't think they're done with this, yet. Also, on another discussion board someone said they tried to buy a song with a bell, and they were not given any ringtone-making options. It's definitely not ready. I judged too quickly. They apparently *are* trying to make it more user friendly, and I just need to learn to be more patient. :o Please don't flame me! I'm going to venture a guess that maybe with tomorrow being "new release Tuesday," maybe they'll officially launch it then?

mobilehavoc
Sep 10, 2007, 10:39 PM
Doesn't work for me at all in my Purchased playlist...when I click on a column to bring up ones I can add, Ringtone is missing. I can add it to iTunes search results but that's it.

Oh well... then again I'm running iTunes 7.4.0 not the latest 7.4.1. Maybe they're doing this to make me update?

FreeState
Sep 10, 2007, 10:43 PM
Doesn't work for me at all in my Purchased playlist...when I click on a column to bring up ones I can add, Ringtone is missing. I can add it to iTunes search results but that's it.

Oh well... then again I'm running iTunes 7.4.0 not the latest 7.4.1. Maybe they're doing this to make me update?

Steve said they would "make them live" sometime this week. My guess is that when you start iTunes it connects to the store and the store responds with a signal that enables the list view function (bell) for items on your hard drive and editing software.

stomachdoc
Sep 10, 2007, 10:43 PM
I would imagine another software update would be needed to "turn on" the feature on our Macs.

Okiewan
Sep 10, 2007, 10:43 PM
Doesn't work for me at all in my Purchased playlist...when I click on a column to bring up ones I can add, Ringtone is missing. I can add it to iTunes search results but that's it.

Oh well... then again I'm running iTunes 7.4.0 not the latest 7.4.1. Maybe they're doing this to make me update?


Has ANYONE actually made a ringtone? Kinda doubt it. The "bells" are showing up in various (store) locations, ie; the top 100, BUT there is not an option to see the "bell" column in "purchased" or any other playlist on your local machine.shop thoi trang (http://doxinh.com/) quan ao thoi trang han quoc (http://doxinh.com.vn/danh-muc/quan-ao-thoi-trang/) quan ao so sinh cho be (http://doxinh.vn/danh-muc/do-so-sinh-cho-be/quan-ao-so-sinh/) vest cong so (http://trangbanbuon.com/danh-muc/thoi-trang-cong-so/vest-cong-so/) vest cong so (http://trangbanbuon.vn/danh-muc/thoi-trang-cong-so/vest-cong-so/) chup anh cuoi o ha noi (http://roses.vn/studio/chup-anh-studio/chup-anh-cuoi/)

Me1000
Sep 10, 2007, 10:50 PM
I would imagine another software update would be needed to "turn on" the feature on our Macs.

I dont think so, that would make 7.4 a pointless upgrade...

Okiewan
Sep 10, 2007, 11:22 PM
I dont think so, that would make 7.4 a pointless upgrade...

Not so much... it removed the ability to snag 30 second previews from the store and turn them into ringtones. (make a playlist of previews, export to text, use the url shown to download the clip)
shop quan ao (http://doxinh.com/) quan ao thoi trang (http://doxinh.com.vn/danh-muc/quan-ao-thoi-trang/) quan ao so sinh (http://doxinh.vn/danh-muc/do-so-sinh-cho-be/quan-ao-so-sinh/) vest cong so nu (http://trangbanbuon.com/danh-muc/thoi-trang-cong-so/vest-cong-so/) vest cong so nu (http://trangbanbuon.vn/danh-muc/thoi-trang-cong-so/vest-cong-so/) chup anh cuoi khuyen mai (http://roses.vn/studio/chup-anh-studio/chup-anh-cuoi/)

atarin
Sep 10, 2007, 11:29 PM
iTunes just gave me a pop-up asking me if I want it to search my purchased songs to see if they can be made into ringtones. Getting closer or it's finally done.


New update: nice! Not a single song I've already purchased can apparently be made into a ringtone!

digitalfx
Sep 10, 2007, 11:31 PM
ringtones working now

hanschien
Sep 10, 2007, 11:34 PM
it's here!

drater
Sep 10, 2007, 11:35 PM
yup, restart your iTunes, when I did that the icon for ringtones popped up for me.

see:

atarin
Sep 10, 2007, 11:37 PM
No, wait. I found songs in the iTunes store that have the bell icon that *are* in my purchased list. What gives?

Peace
Sep 10, 2007, 11:40 PM
It is working.This just popped up on the side menu :

mobilehavoc
Sep 10, 2007, 11:40 PM
They flipped the switch, can add it to Purchased playlist now. Doesn't look like any of my previous purchases are eligible for ringtones...oh well.

drater
Sep 10, 2007, 11:41 PM
anyone notice there are alerts for text and e-mail? Search ringtones. sort by time. there are bunch. Anyone use these yet? should I be the brave one? <<I bet I know the answer to that>>

mobilehavoc
Sep 10, 2007, 11:43 PM
They flipped the switch, can add it to Purchased playlist now. Doesn't look like any of my previous purchases are eligible for ringtones...oh well.

atarin
Sep 10, 2007, 11:46 PM
You can click on any song in your purchased list, then click Store>Create Ringtone. If the song can be made into a ringtone (even if there is no bell), the ringtone maker will pop up, and you can edit, preview, and buy the ringtone. It works!

Okiewan
Sep 10, 2007, 11:47 PM
You can click on any song in your purchased list, then click Store>Create Ringtone. If the song can be made into a ringtone (even if there is no bell), the ringtone maker will pop up, and you can edit, preview, and buy the ringtone. It works!Did you make one, buy it and install it?

Edit...
Just went thru the whole thing, new tone on the phone.
First time I tried to sync it, it said "did not sync ringtone because you aren't authorized to play it on this machine" shop do lot (http://doxinh.com/#www.macrumors.com) shop thoi trang (http://doxinh.com.vn/#forums.macrumors.com) shop do so sinh cho be (http://doxinh.vn/danh-muc/do-so-sinh-cho-be/#forums.macrumors.com) thoi trang cong so nu (http://trangbanbuon.com/danh-muc/thoi-trang-cong-so/#forums.macrumors.com) thoi trang cong so nu (http://trangbanbuon.vn/danh-muc/thoi-trang-cong-so/#forums.macrumors.com) chup anh cho be dep re (http://roses.vn/studio/chup-anh-studio/chup-anh-cho-be/#forums.macrumors.com)
Dialog to authorize the machine came up, did it, then sync'd again. Works well.

digitalfx
Sep 11, 2007, 12:01 AM
ok, I had to delete my old ringtones i made with previous version before the purchased ringtones would show up...so they have completly closed to back door.

ekahialoha
Sep 11, 2007, 12:10 AM
yay so i finally made my first ringtone.
but heres the catch.
i cant still see no bells.
and so i bought a song i already had, just
so i can make a ringtone and it said,
that i couldnt make a ringtone out of it.
i have a ringtones tab and everything
but i cant see which ones are
"ringtone ready"

anyone have the same problem?

drater
Sep 11, 2007, 12:11 AM
yay so i finally made my first ringtone.
but heres the catch.
i cant still see no bells.
and so i bought a song i already had, just
so i can make a ringtone and it said,
that i couldnt make a ringtone out of it.
i have a ringtones tab and everything
but i cant see which ones are
"ringtone ready"

anyone have the same problem?

ctrl + J, choose ringtone. BAM! DONE!

klimegreen
Sep 11, 2007, 12:15 AM
I'm guessing you need 7.4.1. I had to quit and restart iTunes to see the iPhone (http://personafile.com/Apple-iPhone-8GB-P885909100178.htm)bell icon and bell column in the list view.

ekahialoha
Sep 11, 2007, 12:16 AM
ctrl + J, choose ringtone. BAM! DONE!

haha i guess it doenst help when your whole entire library is all ripped songs. gaaahhh how come the bell symbol doesnt show up next to songs in the itunes store. is this apple's way of trying to trick us to buy every song haha

mduser63
Sep 11, 2007, 12:21 AM
I got all the way through the ringtone editor, but when I hit Buy I get an "unknown error".

ekahialoha
Sep 11, 2007, 12:22 AM
also maybe this is because its still so brand new, but i was able to make a ringtone out of a song that didnt have a bell next to it. maybe they havent finished putting up the bells yet haha

Consultant
Sep 11, 2007, 12:22 AM
Same here :(
Is MMS too much to ask for?

iPhone CAN send mms.

http://www.iphonefaq.org/archives/97158

minik
Sep 11, 2007, 12:23 AM
I love the Spotlight searching... finally.

The Ringtones' feature is alright...

drater
Sep 11, 2007, 12:30 AM
I love the Spotlight searching... finally.

The Ringtones' feature is alright...

what do you mean?

Nicky G
Sep 11, 2007, 12:37 AM
I don't see this going too far if they don't license more songs as ringtones. I've purchased almost 350 songs via iTunes and NOT ONE is "ringtonable." Granted I listen to non-Top 40 stuff, but hey, I have taste. Just what the heck CAN you turn into a ringtone -- Britney Spears?

It's also extremely frustrating that you can't permanently elect to view the ringtone column in iTunes Music Store -- you have to enable it for every search you do??? That's certainly not going to encourage a lot of purchases by folks who only want to buy a song IF they can make it into a ringtone.

Apple, come on -- I want to pay you money for something I could use iToner for, much more flexibly -- but throw me a line! :confused:

skellener
Sep 11, 2007, 12:39 AM
I guarantee this whole $0.99 fiasco was AT&Ts and the music industry's doing. If you remember at the 2007 Macworld Keynote when the iPhone was introduced, you were going to be able to turn any song you had on your iPhone into a ringtone. Makes sense, it's an iPod for crying out loud! Then this ability somehow vanished when the iPhone shipped. I'm sure it was a deal with the devil to get it out. Took longer than they expected. I'm sure Apple had the app all ready to go day one, but AT&T and the music industry want to milk every nickel and dime out of you that they can. :eek:

The app itself is VERY Apple. The repaying for a song you already have is ridiculous. Very non-Apple.

Let's see, pay again for a song that is already authorized to you in your iTunes account and already has DRM so only you can play it? WTF?? This is one of the most evil things ever created. Don't support it. Use the hack. :cool:

Devil's Refugee
Sep 11, 2007, 12:39 AM
I really don't get the mentality of paying for a tune you already own to have the 'privilege' of it as a ringtone. You can do it for free with every other phone via Bluetooth or USB. Not sure this will light any fires in the UK here... :rolleyes:

Can you edit the song to have the right portion you want as a ringtone, or are you stuck with the beginning ??

atropos
Sep 11, 2007, 12:41 AM
It seems only work the songs which purchase in US store, I bought a lot of songs in CAD store, none of them can make a ringtone in iTunes.

jericho53
Sep 11, 2007, 12:45 AM
no bell here either. Not like I would use it anyway.

un1ty
Sep 11, 2007, 12:45 AM
I just right-clicked on a song I purchased. One of the options in the contextual menu is Create Ringtone (it's also under Store > Create Ringtone...). I chose it and the ringtone editor popped up, letting me choose my clip. When I clicked to buy the ringtone I got an error. The song did not have a Bell next to it.

Mitch2003
Sep 11, 2007, 12:46 AM
http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/RingtoneLearnMorePage

smccostlin
Sep 11, 2007, 12:46 AM
Okay, so the ring-tones work, but... there is something that makes me mad..

I have bought a lot of madonna cds, and it appears as though every madonna cd in the itunes library is available to make into a ring-tone... Most of the madonna I have in my library is cds that I have uploaded into itunes myself... when I try to make these into ring-tones and pay the extra dollar itunes tells me the song is not eligible to make into a ring-tone and I have have to buy the album all over again...

What the hell is that apple?!!!!!

FIX IT!

p0intblank
Sep 11, 2007, 12:46 AM
I love the Spotlight searching... finally.

The Ringtones' feature is alright...

Yeah, did they enhance the iTunes Store search? It now auto completes search terms and works really well. Maybe I'm just late to the party, but it's very neat. :)

TitoC
Sep 11, 2007, 12:47 AM
Something interesting just happened to me. I ALSO had purchased quite a few songs from iTunes with none of them showing up as being able to be a RingTone. But, I went to try it out. I bought "Rock Steady" from Aretha Franklin. After attempting to buy it as a RingTone, A BUNCH more of my purchased iTunes songs suddenly came up as "RingTone-able." Try it. If none of your previous bought iTune songs have shown up, buy one song that is RingTone-able (you don't even have to buy the RingTone - just hit cancel when you get the confirmation message from Apple (where you enter your iTunes account password). All of a sudden a bunch of my previously bought iTune songs became available as RingTones.

Nicky G
Sep 11, 2007, 12:47 AM
I just spent 10 minutes or so searching through iTunes for most of the bigger-name artists I listen to, and guess what -- I had jack to chose from for ringtones. Here are some diverse examples:

• Pink Floyd -- none!
• David Bowie -- none!
• Bob Dylan -- none!
• Aphex Twin -- none!

And on and on. LAME! There were a good number of songs from The Cure's Disintegration album -- like the album, but a little too down and depressing to use as a ringtone! A couple of Depeche ode songs, but not Policy of Truth or the regular mix of Enjoy the Silence.

Yes, I think it may be time to pay Ambrosia for iToner... I really wanted to give you a chance, Apple, but this is pretty lame.

hh83917
Sep 11, 2007, 12:48 AM
Finally I can delete the ringtone I miscreated before the ringtone list appeared on the left :)

powerbook911
Sep 11, 2007, 12:50 AM
I really think we should control ourselves from spending on this. I like Marimba, and otherwise we can use itoner and put whatever we like on.

appleguru1
Sep 11, 2007, 12:53 AM
The selection of ringtonable songs is... pathetic. Exactly NONE of my 300 iTMS purchased songs were eligible... In any case, I just bought Matchbox Twenty's "How Far We've Come" so I could try out the new feature... it does work :)

So... $1.98 and 30 seconds later I have a nice ringtone on my iPhone.. but they really need to enable this for non-purchased songs...

NewtypeCJ
Sep 11, 2007, 12:57 AM
I thought they said they'd have 500,000 songs ring-tonable. I see very, very few with the bell icon. :'(

bluebomberman
Sep 11, 2007, 12:57 AM
Looks like they're rolling out ringtones they way they roll out new releases on Tuesdays. I've also been able to get one or two songs into ringtone edit mode (Rilo Kiley's Portion for Foxes and Cold War Kids' Hang Me Up to Dry).

Be patient. Now's not a good time to beta test ringtones for them.

arn
Sep 11, 2007, 12:58 AM
I thought they said they'd have 500,000 songs ring-tonable. I see very, very few with the bell icon. :'(

they may be slow to reflect. Earlier I looked at the Top 100 iTunes songs and none were ringtonable. Now 4 are. Still pretty poor, but maybe not all of them are showing yet.

arn

TitoC
Sep 11, 2007, 12:59 AM
I just spent 10 minutes or so searching through iTunes for most of the bigger-name artists I listen to, and guess what -- I had jack to chose from for ringtones. Here are some diverse examples:

• Pink Floyd -- none!
• David Bowie -- none!
• Bob Dylan -- none!
• Aphex Twin -- none!

And on and on. LAME! There were a good number of songs from The Cure's Disintegration album -- like the album, but a little too down and depressing to use as a ringtone! A couple of Depeche ode songs, but not Policy of Truth or the regular mix of Enjoy the Silence.

Yes, I think it may be time to pay Ambrosia for iToner... I really wanted to give you a chance, Apple, but this is pretty lame.

I got "Someday Baby" from Modern Times, Positvely 4th Street, Things Have Changed, Just Like a Woman as an available RingTones. But I agree, not much considering his HUGE catalog. Hopefully this will just get bigger.

appleguru1
Sep 11, 2007, 12:59 AM
In case anyone was wondering just how bad the selection is... Currently only 5 of the top 100 songs are able to be made into ringtones.

edit @ arn: hopefully this is the case :)

moki
Sep 11, 2007, 01:01 AM
Yes, I think it may be time to pay Ambrosia for iToner... I really wanted to give you a chance, Apple, but this is pretty lame.

I fully support your decision. :)

In fairness to Apple, I'm guessing they don't have much say in it. Companies who own the rights to said songs have to agree to let Apple sell them as ringtones before they can offer them.

mduser63
Sep 11, 2007, 01:04 AM
I really think they're still updating the store. Early on I was actually able to get all the way through the ringtone editor with a song with no bell next to it (Help Me Rhonda) but got an error after hitting buy. Now I'm unable to make a ringtone even out of songs that have the bell by them, but the failure behavior is changing over time, and all of it indicates problems communicating with the store. I bet a late night rollout was planned to minimize the number of users. I'm betting it will be working in the morning, and I'm hoping to make/buy a couple ringtones to try it out.

Hope they announce details on the $100 gift card for iPhone owners tomorrow too. It's Tuesday and all...

tdub1974
Sep 11, 2007, 01:04 AM
I think someone has to first say "create ringtone" from one of their purchased songs and then the bell shows for everyone else.
I only had 5 bells. Then I right clicked and "created ringtone" it then became a bell. I logged out and back in and had more bells I assume as folks are "creating ringtones" Nothing like having us do the work for them, I guess this way they don't have to try to guess what ringtones people will buy.
PS- I only see bells next to Itunes purchased items and can only create a ringtone from Itunes items.

JPyre
Sep 11, 2007, 01:04 AM
Finally I can delete the ringtone I miscreated before the ringtone list appeared on the left :)

Thats the first thing I did.

I'm really bothered by the fact I can't turn my brothers album into a ringtone, or anythign I made in garageband. Really effin sucks. I want to make my own ringtone.

I go from a un-crippled pda phone to dealing with this crap.... oh... wait... I had to edit my own tones in garageband before too... oh well, back to renaming m4r then m4a, that hack still works on macos, so does sftp'ing too.

Nicky G
Sep 11, 2007, 01:08 AM
I fully support your decision. :)

In fairness to Apple, I'm guessing they don't have much say in it. Companies who own the rights to said songs have to agree to let Apple sell them as ringtones before they can offer them.

Andrew, if you incorporated even a basic ringtone editor w/ a fade-out function into the application, I wouldn't even hesitate. As for now I'd have to go into Garageband, Logic Pro, etc. etc. -- kind of a pain in my butt. I will still probably buy iToner soon, but these two functions -- essentially mimicking Apple's interface -- would sell me in a moment.

moki
Sep 11, 2007, 01:10 AM
I go from a un-crippled pda phone to dealing with this crap.... oh... wait... I had to edit my own tones in garageband before too... oh well, back to renaming m4r then m4a, that hack still works on macos, so does sftp'ing too.

Just a note of caution... the next iPhone OS update will wipe out your ringtones that you've uploaded via sftp.

TitoC
Sep 11, 2007, 01:10 AM
I can't believe I was able to make a RingTone out of Daniel Johnston's "Love Wheel" from FUN (hell, I'll take it). I can make that a RingTone, but none of my Rolling Stones. Strange. Still, Daniel Johnston on a RingTone, what has the world come to??

moki
Sep 11, 2007, 01:11 AM
Andrew, if you incorporated even a basic ringtone editor w/ a fade-out function into the application, I wouldn't even hesitate. As for now I'd have to go into Garageband, Logic Pro, etc. etc. -- kind of a pain in my butt. I will still probably buy iToner soon, but these two functions -- essentially mimicking Apple's interface -- would sell me in a moment.

We're working on doing just that. Our initial concerns were making it work with iTunes 7.4, but with that out of the way, we can do fun stuff like a cropper. :)

ekahialoha
Sep 11, 2007, 01:11 AM
okay so heres something interesting to show you that, the whole ringtones deal is inconsistent with the bells. i only hvae like two purchased songs from itunes. one of them happened to be: hairspray - you cant stop the beat. without a bell next to it, i was able to make a ringtone out of it. i think they'll slowly update. they BETTER.


also just cuz im on here, i am VERY CURIOUS to know... about the $100 store credit. how does it work and when did you have to buy it? EVERYONE tells me different things!!!:apple:

JPyre
Sep 11, 2007, 01:14 AM
Wow that was quick, I was un-aware I even had the chance to do it in the first place...

http://home.comcast.net/~jpyre/ringtone.jpg

chr1s60
Sep 11, 2007, 01:15 AM
I promised myself I would try one ringtone from Apple before I bought iToner. I just made one in iTunes and it is no better than iToner. The volume of the ringtone from Apple was a little bit louder, but that is about it. Oh yeah, the selection in iTunes is horrible!! I can now say I am going to purchase iToner.

Nicky G
Sep 11, 2007, 01:16 AM
Okay, I can confirm ringtones are gradually updating -- interesting... Now I have some choices from my purchased songs! Woot!

JPyre
Sep 11, 2007, 01:17 AM
also just cuz im on here, i am VERY CURIOUS to know... about the $100 store credit. how does it work and when did you have to buy it? EVERYONE tells me different things!!!:apple:

Um, every iphone owner before the price drop is eligible for $100. Unless you got it on an AMEX card, then you get to cheat amex outta $200 and apple outta $100.

drater
Sep 11, 2007, 01:20 AM
Um, every iphone owner before the price drop is eligible for $100. Unless you got it on an AMEX card, then you get to cheat amex outta $200 and apple outta $100.

I didn't know it was cheating if it was their policy...but i have always thought credit card interest rates were cheating everyone.


p.s. this conversation is meant for a different discussion thread.

baslotto
Sep 11, 2007, 01:20 AM
So let me get it right.
If I want to have a ringtone from a popular (?) song, I have to pay $2, correct?

One dollar goes for the song in iTunes and the other one for editing ad buying the part of the song I want to use as a ringtone?

What if I only want the ringtone without the song? Could I pay $1 for just editing and buyng the ringtone? that wouldn't be a bad deal.

bluebomberman
Sep 11, 2007, 01:21 AM
Oh yeah, the selection in iTunes is horrible!!

You cannot judge the iTunes Store's selection of ringtones based on the first hour of an all-night (and possibly all-day) rollout.

Besides, they have ringtones for Regina Spektor and Laura Veirs. Laura Veirs!

ChrisSamsa
Sep 11, 2007, 01:21 AM
I just made a ringtone out of Third Eye Blind's Semi-Charmed Life, which is one of my favorite songs of all time.. probably the last time i use the feature, seeing as I own the song on 2 different albums, but had to buy it again to make it a ringtone.. but either way it was really easy to do, and kind of fun. No huge deal if you ask me.. until they enable the ability to make a ringtone out of any song in your library.. but as an artist with ringtones available through other avenues, i understand that the royalties on ringtones are much greater than the royalties on song purchases, so I respect that Apple will only be selling ringtones on songs that are purchased, because my guess is they're not making much of a profit at all on this.

JPyre
Sep 11, 2007, 01:21 AM
I didn't know it was cheating if it was their policy...but i have always thought credit card interest rates were cheating everyone.


p.s. this conversation is meant for a different discussion thread.

They're (going to be) cheating Apple not amex, and I didn't start it, i'll pm next time.

arn
Sep 11, 2007, 01:23 AM
What if I only want the ringtone without the song? Could I pay $1 for just editing and buyng the ringtone? that wouldn't be a bad deal.

Doesn't appear that that is an option at this time.

arn

katanna
Sep 11, 2007, 01:26 AM
lol, out of the 380 songs I have purchased, only two CDs can be made into Ringtones... "Business Up Front, Party in the Back," (good stuff, but I wouldn't make it a ringtone) and LOTR 3 soundtrack... umm, ya right.

Matthew

jonessodarally
Sep 11, 2007, 01:33 AM
Wow, it's sure nice to know if I ever want to make Mitch Hedberg or Dane Cook into ringtones, I have that option.


Edit: On second thought, the whole "Hellooooooo.. I'm a carrrrrrrrr" sketch might be rather entertaining. Or annoying beyond all reason. Guess we'll find out. ;)

chr1s60
Sep 11, 2007, 01:35 AM
You cannot judge the iTunes Store's selection of ringtones based on the first hour of an all-night (and possibly all-day) rollout.

Besides, they have ringtones for Regina Spektor and Laura Veirs. Laura Veirs!

If tomorrow or the next day they have a lot more, I will take that back, but currently it is pretty weak.

drater
Sep 11, 2007, 01:37 AM
If tomorrow or the next day they have a lot more, I will take that back, but currently it is pretty weak.

yeah, it seems like everything is rolling out. It is 2:30am over here, so I'm sure their intention was to do it at night while all the "normies" are sleeping. But they underestimate us!

LoganT
Sep 11, 2007, 01:37 AM
yeay another feature i'll never use! :eek:


i want gps dagnabit!

You want GPS in iTunes? :rolleyes:

thesminc
Sep 11, 2007, 01:41 AM
After you have a song that can be converted to a ringtone. Go to the Menu Bar Select / Store --> Ringtone to get the ringtone maker.

Nicky G
Sep 11, 2007, 01:42 AM
OK, so now that my library has updated a bit, I've turned my previously-purchased copy of "Destroy Everything You Touch" by Ladytron into my first (and primary) ringtone. SWEET. Heheh I could grow to like this, IF the collection of ringtones grows at a decent rate AND if they show the ringtone icon all the time on the music store (without you having to toggle it on for every darn search!)

And to the poster who brought up the idea of a Mitch Hedberg ringtone --- YES!!! :D

jonessodarally
Sep 11, 2007, 01:43 AM
You want GPS in iTunes? :rolleyes:


Well, you know how it is. Sometimes you just don't have the energy to walk outside and check the address. Now, with GPS built into every copy of iTunes, you can figure out exactly where you live right from your new iMac.

Note: GPS support for iTunes comes pre-installed with every new 24" iMac.

;);)



EDIT: Wanted to catch this before it starts... ***To those of you who are of lesser intelligence, no. iTunes does not really have GPS. ***

Flowbee
Sep 11, 2007, 01:44 AM
I'm betting Apple will also add a "top ringtones" list somewhere on the front page of the iTunes store. Maybe even a whole ringtones category. That would sure make it easier to find them.

LAyukon Mac
Sep 11, 2007, 01:45 AM
For some reason on the right hand sidebar in itunes, I don't have a bell symbol next to ringtones, I have a ipod symbol. Does anyone else have this? I had some of my own ringotnes prior to the ringtone unlock from apple.

I am running itunes 7.4.1 on a powerbook with 10.4.10?
I tryed to erase the ringtones and reload, i even bought a stupid ringtone to see if it would change it, but have had no luck

jonessodarally
Sep 11, 2007, 01:46 AM
I'm betting Apple will also add a "top ringtones" list somewhere on the front page of the iTunes store. Maybe even a whole ringtones category. That would sure make it easier to find them.

Yes, Please. It's a nightmare finding any right now.

drater
Sep 11, 2007, 01:46 AM
Wow that was quick, I was un-aware I even had the chance to do it in the first place...

http://home.comcast.net/~jpyre/ringtone.jpg

unlike the other error messages, I got this one. You think it means its coming soon? hmmmmmm. :confused:

((and yes this is an iTunes purchased song))

drater
Sep 11, 2007, 01:47 AM
For some reason on the right hand sidebar in itunes, I don't have a bell symbol next to ringtones, I have a ipod symbol. Does anyone else have this? I had some of my own ringotnes prior to the ringtone unlock from apple.

I am running itunes 7.4.1 on a powerbook with 10.4.10?
I tryed to erase the ringtones and reload, i even bought a stupid ringtone to see if it would change it, but have had no luck

that is funky.

jecapaga
Sep 11, 2007, 01:48 AM
I'm betting Apple will also add a "top ringtones" list somewhere on the front page of the iTunes store. Maybe even a whole ringtones category. That would sure make it easier to find them.

ya think? sorry for the sarcasm.

iMacZealot
Sep 11, 2007, 01:50 AM
I just made my ringtone. Making it was easy, but getting all the bell icons and stuff in the sidebar wasn't. I had to pull a command-j and select ringtones. Only about 15 songs of mine were available, so I chose "Popular" by Nada Surf. I figured it's suiting ("I'm popular" as the phone rings).

Jowl
Sep 11, 2007, 02:08 AM
I really don't get the mentality of paying for a tune you already own to have the 'privilege' of it as a ringtone. You can do it for free with every other phone via Bluetooth or USB. Not sure this will light any fires in the UK here... :rolleyes:


Is this a UK thing? Cos it seems insane to pay (again) for a ringtone like that. IMO you'd have to have more money than sense (yes I know it's only a dollar but it still seems crazy)

On my SE's, I just make an ringtone from any old mp3. Or even just stick the whole song on there

macenforcer
Sep 11, 2007, 02:10 AM
Do a search for ringtone. A bunch of ringtones come up but none of them have the bell. LOL.

jonessodarally
Sep 11, 2007, 02:14 AM
Do a search for ringtone. A bunch of ringtones come up but none of them have the bell. LOL.

yeah i gave that a try too. rather funny. but its a good thing though, cause those frog ringers from a few years ago showed up and... if i ever have to hear those again, i may shoot myself.

synth3tik
Sep 11, 2007, 02:16 AM
Yep like this:) Whoo hoo... love it


do you like how it seems that a lot of the DM singles are non-ringtoned...

springerj
Sep 11, 2007, 02:35 AM
Boy, as I go through my purchased songs looking for ring tone candidates, I'm getting a lot of "this song is no longer available in the itunes store." Must be that company that pulled out - universal? ugh.

synth3tik
Sep 11, 2007, 02:38 AM
Boy, as I go through my purchased songs looking for ring tone candidates, I'm getting a lot of "this song is no longer available in the itunes store." Must be that company that pulled out - universal? ugh.



It seems to display that error with any song that is not able to be a ring tone, I tried with songs that were purchased and songs that I ripped from CDs. I know these are not from Universal. Just seems like a default dialog box.

bkvideography
Sep 11, 2007, 02:38 AM
The trim feature never does what I want it to do! If I try to extend the length, it moves everything. PLEASE FIX!

itsallinurhead
Sep 11, 2007, 02:39 AM
selection selection selection

dubby
Sep 11, 2007, 03:06 AM
Apple is definitely trying to make known/shift the blame for not having all the songs available as ringtones...

drater
Sep 11, 2007, 03:12 AM
Apple is definitely trying to make known/shift the blame for not having all the songs available as ringtones...

did this message just pop right up? I never got it. huh

mcarnes
Sep 11, 2007, 03:16 AM
Apple is definitely trying to make known/shift the blame for not having all the songs available as ringtones...

:p Translation: Do you want to know which music labels don't suck?

I love Apple. :apple::):apple:

siurpeeman
Sep 11, 2007, 03:19 AM
The trim feature never does what I want it to do! If I try to extend the length, it moves everything. PLEASE FIX!

you have the move the cursor to the edge of the highlighted selection to extend the length. clicking and dragging it anywhere between will simply move the selection to another time frame. it takes a little getting used to.

i'm trying to find a good ringtone, but it's hard for me to do when i already invested $15 in itoner. i just want one ringtone to try it out. :o

dubby
Sep 11, 2007, 03:27 AM
did this message just pop right up? I never got it. huh

lol it was under 5 minutes ago and I can't remember when it popped...

i made a quick ringtone out of "I'm shipping Up to Boston" by the Drop Kick Murphys (from "The Departed"), I believe it showed up right after I went through the process of acknowledging all the legal.

Since it took from the first song I thought a large percentage would be available, but scrolling through my purchased playlist, I would say under a third is available.

Also it's worth noting that only parts of some albums are available... ie all of the "The Best of Clapton..." sans "tears in heaven"... All of James Blunt's "Back to Bedlam" sans "you're beautiful"...

And others are the complete opposite... none of Gnarls Barkley's "St. Elsewhere," with the exception of "Crazy"... none of "Future/Sex Lovesounds" with the exception of SexyBack...

Hope this is helpful.

AlexisV
Sep 11, 2007, 03:29 AM
They shouldn't have called them ringtones, but by their proper name - ringtings!

donlphi
Sep 11, 2007, 03:31 AM
You guys know you can put your own free ringtones on iTunes right?

dubby
Sep 11, 2007, 03:34 AM
You guys know you can put your own free ringtones on iTunes right?

figured I would try at least one through itms :)

cdinca
Sep 11, 2007, 03:42 AM
You guys know you can put your own free ringtones on iTunes right?

do the ringtones that i made through the old m4a to m4r thing show up under the ringtones section on the left?

wunderbaren
Sep 11, 2007, 03:45 AM
I don't see it...is it on some sort of timer for Us time? I'm in sweden and i have iphone and ringtones imported to itunes...strange

drater
Sep 11, 2007, 04:10 AM
I don't see it...is it on some sort of timer for Us time? I'm in sweden and i have iphone and ringtones imported to itunes...strange

it might only be for US itunes, are you logged into the Swedish store? That might be the problem.

madbad01
Sep 11, 2007, 04:41 AM
I bought an iPhone while I was in L.A. but I live in Australia. I have a US iTunes Music Store account, will I have access to the ringtone maker??

madbad01
Sep 11, 2007, 04:43 AM
Scratch that. I got the bells! Yay!

MrCrowbar
Sep 11, 2007, 04:49 AM
I can't activate it. My iTunes is v.7.4.1(2) but I don't see any "ringtone" when right clicking or COMMAND-J-ing anywhere. I also don't have the spotlight-esque search with the drop down popups. :mad:

twoodcc
Sep 11, 2007, 04:51 AM
i think i'll wait awhile before i buy one, since it looks like not all are available and stuff.....that is, if i ever buy one

madbad01
Sep 11, 2007, 04:53 AM
Just give it a little while and it'll pop up! Still, only 40 songs in my 1500 song library are ringtone compatible :-(
It's not like I have old music either, I'm 17 so most of my music is within the last 5 years with the exceptions of a few 80's tracks and some Aretha and Dionne Warwick. I hope they get more compatible soon!

drater
Sep 11, 2007, 05:15 AM
Just give it a little while and it'll pop up! Still, only 40 songs in my 1500 song library are ringtone compatible :-(
It's not like I have old music either, I'm 17 so most of my music is within the last 5 years with the exceptions of a few 80's tracks and some Aretha and Dionne Warwick. I hope they get more compatible soon!

its not a matter of apple deciding who you get to choose as a ringtone. Its the music companies who agree to it.

zedsdead
Sep 11, 2007, 05:41 AM
its not a matter of apple deciding who you get to choose as a ringtone. Its the music companies who agree to it.

If it was only up to Apple, every song on iTunes would be compatible...this limitation is from the record companies.

wunderbaren
Sep 11, 2007, 05:49 AM
More songs are coming...don't worry...apple is good on lobbying :)

zedsdead
Sep 11, 2007, 05:52 AM
Try out a song without the Bell, it might work...I was checking into "Rush" and the only one listed on the new album as compatible was "Spindrift." I tried to convert "Far Cry," and it worked.

Eric Lewis
Sep 11, 2007, 06:07 AM
i got bells...not (balls)

drater
Sep 11, 2007, 06:07 AM
If it was only up to Apple, every song on iTunes would be compatible...this limitation is from the record companies.

um, pretty sure that is what I said. Apple wants them all to be ringtones, but the music companies have to agree.

javaGuru
Sep 11, 2007, 06:12 AM
I now see the bells but I only see them for the most recently purchased album. Kind of strange they wouldn't show up for other purchases as well.

javaGuru
Sep 11, 2007, 06:16 AM
I was just on the iTunes music store and only 5 of the top 100 songs have ringtone capabilities. That's kind of sad. I hope they have more songs that can be turned into ringtones soon.

rva1
Sep 11, 2007, 06:40 AM
Apparently, you have to have at least 1 song in your music library that is available for conversion to a ringtone. Then the Ringtone option in the Library sidebar wakes up. Try downloading Aretha Franklin's Respect. Let me know what other song work, too.

Taylor C
Sep 11, 2007, 06:41 AM
I've got bells and a "Ringtones" item has appeared in my source list showing the ringtones I hacked using the file extension method. I'm running iTunes 7.4.1.

offwidafairies
Sep 11, 2007, 06:47 AM
so you can only convert music bought in the itunes store? well that sux

blybug
Sep 11, 2007, 07:02 AM
I've got bells and a "Ringtones" item has appeared in my source list showing the ringtones I hacked using the file extension method. I'm running iTunes 7.4.1.

Same here, but on a quick check it looks like the method for adding more (dragging M4R into iTunes) no longer adds new ringtones to the list. Luckily I had already added pretty much all the ones I wanted. I was also finally able to remove the "ghost" duplicates that were created while goofing around with the M4R hack.

*****EDIT*****PROBLEM SOLVED!!*****

The M4R hack still works!!!

(1) Create AAC file for use, change extension to M4R using "Get Info"
(2) Navigate to /iTunes/iTunes Music/Ringtones, drag file into that folder
(3) Drag M4R file into iTunes
(4) Go back to Ringtones folder in Finder, change extension back to M4A
(5) Sync iPhone

Just added a new ringtone this morning from a track of my own, non-iTunes purchased, using this method. Shows up in the "Ringtones" playlist on the left sidebar, in the Ringtones tab in the iPhone settings, and syncs/plays as expected on the iPhone itself.

Avatar74
Sep 11, 2007, 07:19 AM
If you just try to create a ringtone from any of your purchased songs, I noticed suddenly you'll start seeing the bells next to some of your purchased songs.

Some others are reporting that it worked for a random song they tried converting to a ringtone... but I have the same track and while before I attempted converting a song it showed no bell, "Far Cry" by Rush does show a bell now next to it.

So it doesn't seem that any song will work, but that if you're not yet seeing bells in the Purchased Songs view, try selecting and creating a ringtone and it may trigger the system to update your view.

I just did a couple off the Casino Royale soundtrack and they work great.

KiraDouji
Sep 11, 2007, 07:21 AM
It's still ridiculous.

- Kira

zwida
Sep 11, 2007, 07:34 AM
Same here, but on a quick check it looks like the method for adding more (dragging M4R into iTunes) no longer adds new ringtones to the list. Luckily I had already added pretty much all the ones I wanted. I was also finally able to remove the "ghost" duplicates that were created while goofing around with the M4R hack.

*****EDIT*****PROBLEM SOLVED!!*****

The M4R hack still works!!!

(1) Create AAC file for use, change extension to M4R using "Get Info"
(2) Navigate to /iTunes/iTunes Music/Ringtones, drag file into that folder
(3) Drag M4R file into iTunes
(4) Go back to Ringtones folder in Finder, change extension back to M4A
(5) Sync iPhone

Just added a new ringtone this morning from a track of my own, non-iTunes purchased, using this method. Shows up in the "Ringtones" playlist on the left sidebar, in the Ringtones tab in the iPhone settings, and syncs/plays as expected on the iPhone itself.

So how quickly do we expect to see 7.4.2 to block the hack? Or do you think that they just needed to show the labels a good-faith effort to prevent this sort of thing and now they'll let it go?

CJD2112
Sep 11, 2007, 07:36 AM
Just spotted the bell icon on Depeche Mode's Precious...

http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewAlbum?playlistId=82098671&s=143441&i=82098328

also seen on an couple others... haven't tried downloading them yet - any one try it yet?

Ooooo, good song. Too bad I already have it as a ring tone through iFuntastic 3.0.3 :p

I don't see the need for this update. I'll just wait till the next "actual" iPhone firmware update, that should be interesting. Until then, why upgrade to a program that just cripples features on my phone?

Sedulous
Sep 11, 2007, 07:39 AM
I'm still not interested. My SE can use any sound file as a ringtone. I see no future for the iTS ringtones.

OldSkoolNJ
Sep 11, 2007, 07:42 AM
I dont know if anyone has said this as I am not reading this whole post but if you arent seeig the ringtone features just try shutting down and starting iTunes a few times. Each time I did so I got all the new features to pop up. Took a few times to do so.

Kevin

Balooba
Sep 11, 2007, 07:53 AM
Can someone tell me who is going to waste their time in browser mode in iTunes to find songs that can be made into ringtones? Unless I am having a *really* blonde moment, I cannot find a way to just look up a song or artist without going through all the hoops that iTunes in browser mode requires. It takes forever just to find a compatible song! Also, why isn't there an easy way to check if songs I already purchased are ringtone ready?


1. Press cmd+J and check the box to activate viewing the Ringtones
2. Click the Ringtone symbol in the top of the column.

This way you will sort your music library based on the songs Ringtone status. Songs with ringtones will appear grouped together at the top (or bottom if you click twice) of the list.

Kedrik
Sep 11, 2007, 07:57 AM
This is very strange. If you search i-tunes for "ringtones" you get a bunch of albums from Captain Audio with sexy female and male voices saying "your phone is ringing", etc. However, these ringtones don't have bells next to them, so...you can buy a ringtone, but only listen to it on your computer.

Now lets suppose for a minute that i-tunes adds a bell. Would you then have to pay $.99 for the 20 second ringtone, then pay an additional $.99 to put the ringtone on to your phone? Probably yes. DEFINATELY very weak. :rolleyes:

kddpop
Sep 11, 2007, 08:04 AM
ctrl + J, choose ringtone. BAM! DONE!

don't you mean, "boom! done!"

~kyle

A Pittarelli
Sep 11, 2007, 08:16 AM
this is pretty neat!

NightStorm
Sep 11, 2007, 08:21 AM
The fact of the matter that everyone seems to be overlooking is that, while I'm sure Apple is taking a cut of the ringtone sales, the labels are almost certainly mandating the extra price as well as ensuring that only iTunes-purchased tracks are being used (wouldn't want you using that Britney Spears single you grabbed from bittorrent)...

johnmcboston
Sep 11, 2007, 08:49 AM
So what happens if you compose your own song and import it into itunes to listen. Can you still not make a ringtone our of your own personal music?

benpatient
Sep 11, 2007, 08:51 AM
Ha. I made my own mp3 ringtones for my SLVR, which has itunes on it and cost me 50 bucks. Granted it isn't as slick as the iphone, but the battery lasts like 3 weeks without a charge sometimes and it's literally half the size of the iphone. I'm not saying it is better, but I have several ringtones from physical CDs that I bought and imported into itunes. Spend 2-3 minutes in garageband splicing the thing up and a few seconds uploading over USB (or a couple minutes over bluetooth), and I have to wonder why apple even bothered with this "feature" in the iTMS. Oh wait, I just realized why they would bother—free money from suckers.

Sorry suckers. I already bought that music.

Did I mention that some of my self-made ringtones are almost 2 minutes long?

ha. Apple.

tdub1974
Sep 11, 2007, 08:53 AM
Totally pulling the newbie card here, but is it always this frequent that posters repeat themselves and ask the same questions that have already been posted/responded to?

The Stig
Sep 11, 2007, 08:54 AM
I'm not paying a $1 for a 30 second ringtone when I already paid the same thing for the whole song, but at least it is an option.

The Stig

SPUY767
Sep 11, 2007, 09:00 AM
yeay another feature i'll never use! :eek:


i want gps dagnabit!

I wrote an algorithm to triangulate a location when you're within range of three cell towers. Course, I don't know how to get Lat/Lon data from the cell towers, and I'm not sure if you can pass that data directly to google maps, but it's a start.

hojoon0724
Sep 11, 2007, 09:07 AM
alright, can anyone add ringtones for free?

I tried changing to m4r and putting on the library. now it doesn't add as ringtones but in regular music library.

Here's what I did.
1. Get music from iTunes
2. Edit on SoundStudio
3. Put AIFF on iTunes
4. Convert to AAC
5. Get it out from iTunes
6. Change .m4a to .m4r
7. Open in iTunes

By this point it should add itself to Ringtones but it just adds itself on Music.

Did iTunes figure out a way to block this?

Help me guys..

blilly
Sep 11, 2007, 09:08 AM
Try out a song without the Bell, it might work...I was checking into "Rush" and the only one listed on the new album as compatible was "Spindrift." I tried to convert "Far Cry," and it worked.

Nice! I'll try "We Hold On" when I get home tonight. ;-)

Island Dog
Sep 11, 2007, 09:18 AM
I'm still waiting for it to show up.

itsaka
Sep 11, 2007, 09:18 AM
Did I mention that some of my self-made ringtones are almost 2 minutes long?

ha. Apple.

Are you for real? Why would you want a ringtone that is two minutes long? Overkill? Sounds as if you like listening to your phone "ring" rather than use it as a phone.

8bitrevolution
Sep 11, 2007, 09:22 AM
I really don't get the mentality of paying for a tune you already own to have the 'privilege' of it as a ringtone. You can do it for free with every other phone via Bluetooth or USB.

Actually no, you can't. A lot of carriers, in the US at least, disable this functionality even though it's built-in to the phone. Why? So you'll buy the ringtones?

This is ridiculous that everyone is complaining about this - you pay $1.98 for a high quality ringtone. 500,000 may not be a lot in the overall catalog of music but I'm sure it's more choices than T-Mobile provides me. Further more, I pay $1.59 for a ringtone from them. I don't get to choose what section of the song it's from and I don't get a full copy of the song. I just get the ringtone and if I don't like the section they chose to make into a ringtone? That's my problem.

With the iPhone, yeah, it sucks that you have to pay but that's how cellphones work in general. Most phones don't allow you to make your own ringtones and use them. So $0.99 cents to buy a song, then $0.99 cents to make a ringtone? That's not a bad deal.

Apple has to meet their partner (AT&T) half way on this. And considering everything AT&T agreed to (namely subscription payment sharing), I'm sure Apple doesn't mind this minor concession.

briand05
Sep 11, 2007, 09:23 AM
I didn't know the part of Apple was being played by Robin Hood... last I knew they need to do what's in the best interest of their shareholders, not the general public (unless I missed the press release that they had switched to non-profit status).

The fact of the matter that everyone seems to be overlooking is that, while I'm sure Apple is taking a cut of the ringtone sales, the labels are almost certainly mandating the extra price as well as ensuring that only iTunes-purchased tracks are being used (wouldn't want you using that Britney Spears single you grabbed from bittorrent)...

Yet every other phone including Microsoft's Windows Mobile phones allow you to make any file you want a ringtone, screw Apple.

Actually no, you can't. A lot of carriers, in the US at least, disable this functionality even though it's built-in to the phone. Why? So you'll buy the ringtones?

This is ridiculous that everyone is complaining about this - you pay $1.98 for a high quality ringtone. 500,000 may not be a lot in the overall catalog of music but I'm sure it's more choices than T-Mobile provides me. Further more, I pay $1.59 for a ringtone from them. I don't get to choose what section of the song it's from and I don't get a full copy of the song. I just get the ringtone and if I don't like the section they chose to make into a ringtone? That's my problem.

With the iPhone, yeah, it sucks that you have to pay but that's how cellphones work in general. Most phones don't allow you to make your own ringtones and use them. So $0.99 cents to buy a song, then $0.99 cents to make a ringtone? That's not a bad deal.

Apple has to meet their partner (AT&T) half way on this. And considering everything AT&T agreed to (namely subscription payment sharing), I'm sure Apple doesn't mind this minor concession.

False, my AT&T razr and Windows Mobile smartphone allow any audio file to be assigned as a ringtone (though you need to buy Motorola's software on the razr to get the ringtones on through USB otherwise you can send audio files via email and apply as ringtone).

kristenz
Sep 11, 2007, 09:27 AM
I tried to purchase my first ringtone. First, I bought the song for $1.29. Then, I attempted to purchase the ringtone for an additional .99 <sucker>. So I clicked on the little bell and it took me to the itunes agreement. I accepted then proceeded to make my ringtone "just so". When I clicked "buy" I was met with the following error message: COULD NOT CREATE RINGTONE. AN UNKNOWN ERROR OCCURRED (-42160). THERE WAS AN ERROR IN THE ITUNES STORE. PLEASE TRY AGAIN LATER.

Has this happened to anyone else?

Kristen :confused:

itsaka
Sep 11, 2007, 09:33 AM
Yet every other phone including Microsoft's Windows Mobile phones allow you to make any file you want a ringtone, screw Apple.

Don't blame Apple here. Apple's iPods allow you to put whatever music you want on it. I have the option to legally purchase music through iTunes Music Store and play them on an iPod. Or, I can illegally download an album through some bittorrent website and play that music on the exact same iPod. Apple gives you freedom to do what you want with that iPod and doesn't dictate where you are obtaining this music from.

Now look at the situation with the iPhone. Why would Apple choose to cripple the iPhone and not also include this "crippling" with their iPod line. Doesn't make sense for Apple to just arbitrarily pick a device of theirs to limit what it can do. I suspect AT&T and the record labels are what is causing all of this headache.

parkds
Sep 11, 2007, 09:46 AM
OK, so now that my library has updated a bit, I've turned my previously-purchased copy of "Destroy Everything You Touch" by Ladytron into my first (and primary) ringtone. SWEET. Heheh I could grow to like this, IF the collection of ringtones grows at a decent rate AND if they show the ringtone icon all the time on the music store (without you having to toggle it on for every darn search!)

And to the poster who brought up the idea of a Mitch Hedberg ringtone --- YES!!! :D

That sucks...Ladytron no longer seems available to be made into a ringtone

jephrey
Sep 11, 2007, 09:50 AM
I for one don't care one bit about ringtones as I use vibe all the time. In fact, I personally think ringtones make people look like idiots, but to each their own. At the same time, I just checked out sprint to see what I'd have to pay for a pre-selected ringtone and it's $2.50. I know we think Apple should be giving these things away, but come on. $.99 is pretty good, even $1.98 is not bad, you get the ringtone and the entire song. I can understand that it's so easy to do for free. At least selecting a start and stop point and exporting it... But others sell them because there are rights involved, and apple has to do the same.

It's really no big deal. If you want a ringtone, $.99 isn't the worst out there, especially when you can select the segment you want. IMO, the only downside is that iTunes is becoming more and more bloated.

J

phytonix
Sep 11, 2007, 09:59 AM
Everybody should boycott this stupid ringtone charges...

whiskeybravo
Sep 11, 2007, 10:01 AM
I'm as big of a fan of Apple as I can be, but this just blows goats. I hope that this convoluted mess that won't support converting music you own into a ringtone can be blamed on the labels and is not an attempt by Apple to open up another revenue stream. If it is the latter I am afraid, very afraid :(

the vj
Sep 11, 2007, 10:01 AM
I rather give away my money to some one who hacks all those things.

Jobs is charging for everything! what a greedy person, he is hanging too much with Gates.

dejo
Sep 11, 2007, 10:04 AM
Yet every other phone including Microsoft's Windows Mobile phones allow you to make any file you want a ringtone, screw Apple.
False, my AT&T razr and Windows Mobile smartphone allow any audio file to be assigned as a ringtone...
Your razr and smartphone != every other phone.

Tom Light
Sep 11, 2007, 10:15 AM
...and when my phone syncs I get a message that the file wasn't copied to my iPhone because "you're not authorized to play it on this computer." Huh? Anyone else seen that one?

benpatient
Sep 11, 2007, 10:17 AM
Are you for real? Why would you want a ringtone that is two minutes long? Overkill? Sounds as if you like listening to your phone "ring" rather than use it as a phone.

Actually, I use these for my alarm clock in the morning. They're the opening track and the second dungeon track from an old japanese side-scrolling platformer game called Zeliard that was released in the States by Sierra On-Line in the late 80s that I played when I was a kid.

I still think it's some of the best video game music ever composed, and I listen to a lot of video game music. It also makes for a great alarm when the volume is set to 'high.'

grappler
Sep 11, 2007, 10:25 AM
Hm. I'm not playing. I never buy any music that isn't DRM-free (I've only recently started buying from iTunes, and I only buy iTunes Plus), and similarly, I'm not going to pay again for a song I've already bought. If I can't easily make a ringtone from a song I've legitimately bought, I'll just use the defaults, or find a hack. That's a shame for them, I think, because if their ringtone policy were reasonable it would give me an extra reason to buy more songs.

Clix Pix
Sep 11, 2007, 10:26 AM
...and when my phone syncs I get a message that the file wasn't copied to my iPhone because "you're not authorized to play it on this computer." Huh? Anyone else seen that one?

Yes, I got that message too after having purchased and made three ringtones. I then put the iPhone on the dock to sync it and that is when I got that message. What the -- ???

xwing1971
Sep 11, 2007, 10:28 AM
...and when my phone syncs I get a message that the file wasn't copied to my iPhone because "you're not authorized to play it on this computer." Huh? Anyone else seen that one?

Yeah, I got that this morning! What is up with that? I only have 4 computers authorized. You can have up to 5. Any help???

Mgkwho
Sep 11, 2007, 10:28 AM
I just hope they add it for all of their music...stupid record labels...:p

-=|Mgkwho

itsaka
Sep 11, 2007, 10:31 AM
Actually, I use these for my alarm clock in the morning. They're the opening track and the second dungeon track from an old japanese side-scrolling platformer game called Zeliard that was released in the States by Sierra On-Line in the late 80s that I played when I was a kid.

I still think it's some of the best video game music ever composed, and I listen to a lot of video game music. It also makes for a great alarm when the volume is set to 'high.'

Sorry if came across as being rude. After reading my first reply directed towards you, I thought it could have been construed as a personal attack. I just couldn't imagine a ringtone that was two minutes long being of any use in the way of a caller's ringtone. Just wanted to clear that up.

pubwvj
Sep 11, 2007, 10:32 AM
Wow. What a rip off. The music industry wants you to pay through the nose over and over for their garbage. It isn't enough that we've bought the song on vinyl, cassette, CD, iTunes - now they want us to pay another dollar for the privilege of a few seconds on our phones as ring tones. Next they'll want us to pay every time we listen, every time we hum, every time we think of something they copyrighted. They're abusing the law and Fair Use.

mike3141
Sep 11, 2007, 10:35 AM
Those are ringtone collections for other phones that let you download mp3s as ringtones.

Tom Light
Sep 11, 2007, 10:37 AM
Yeah, I got that this morning! What is up with that? I only have 4 computers authorized. You can have up to 5. Any help???

Fixed. In iTunes, click on "Store" and then "Authorize Computer"...for some reason, I had to authorize my computer again. Once done, it will sync just fine.

mikeinternet
Sep 11, 2007, 10:43 AM
i haven't seen much chatter about this, but this seems to me to be the easiest (as well as free) way to add ringtones...

if you use apptapp. you can download and install an app called sendsong. (you don't even need a computer, it's great)

what sendsong lets you do is email any song that's on your phone. but they also have a "email to ringtone" feature. if you do that it pops up in ringtones.

super quick on the go ringtones.

xwing1971
Sep 11, 2007, 10:48 AM
Fixed. In iTunes, click on "Store" and then "Authorize Computer"...for some reason, I had to authorize my computer again. Once done, it will sync just fine.

Thanks Tom! Appreciate your help.

Ha ze
Sep 11, 2007, 10:48 AM
Well.. not one Kanye West song, I'll just stick with "vibrate" and "old phone"

Eric Lewis
Sep 11, 2007, 10:58 AM
Well.. not one Kanye West song, I'll just stick with "vibrate" and "old phone"

there is STRONGER~

iKwick7
Sep 11, 2007, 10:59 AM
so you can only convert music bought in the itunes store? well that sux

Can anyone confirm this?

Let's say I own a cd for a song. I put it on my iPod. The same song is available on the iTunes store and is ringtone capable. Do I have to buy the song from iTunes in order to convert it to a ringtone?

blybug
Sep 11, 2007, 11:02 AM
alright, can anyone add ringtones for free?

I tried changing to m4r and putting on the library. now it doesn't add as ringtones but in regular music library.

Here's what I did.
1. Get music from iTunes
2. Edit on SoundStudio
3. Put AIFF on iTunes
4. Convert to AAC
5. Get it out from iTunes
6. Change .m4a to .m4r

Make sure you've really changed the extension, use the Get Info box in the Finder, rather than just clicking on the filename and changing it. Otherwise the file will be renamed SongTitle.m4r.m4a and still be an m4a, thereby adding it to your Music library. For me, when I correctly change the file to m4r it changes to a generic icon rather than a recognized iTunes icon.

After this step, move the new m4r file into the /iTunes/iTunes Music/Ringtones directory, then...
7. Open in iTunes

8. Change extension back to m4a in the Finder, again being sure you've really changed it using the Get Info box for the file

This worked for me, and I successfully created and synced a new ringtone this morning from one of my own AAC files originally ripped from a CD (already posted the procedure a few pages back on this thread (http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?p=4164548#post4164548)).

The "tricky" points are being sure you've really changed the extension from m4a to m4r, then moving the file to the appropriate place in the iTunes hierarchy before dragging it to iTunes, then changing the extension back to m4a again after it shows up in your Ringtone list.

Incidentally several of my added ringtones are the unaltered 30-second previews from the iTunes store, downloaded prior to 7.4 when you could find their URLs in an exported song list. They showed up as expected in my Ringtones library once this feature was turned on this morning, and continue to function and sync as before.

Ha ze
Sep 11, 2007, 11:02 AM
there is STRONGER~

not showing up in my library or in my store

itsaka
Sep 11, 2007, 11:05 AM
Can anyone confirm this?

Let's say I own a cd for a song. I put it on my iPod. The same song is available on the iTunes store and is ringtone capable. Do I have to buy the song from iTunes in order to convert it to a ringtone?

From what it seems like, only songs purchased through iTunes Music Store are eligible as ringtones. Also, the purchased songs must be "eligible" in terms of turning the purchased track into a ringtone warranted by iTunes Music Store. I've gone through some music that I have that was not purchased through iTunes Music Store and that was a no go. Tracks purchased through the store still doesn't mean they can be ringtones. This is in disregards to the "backdoor" approach to creating ringtones from your own personal library of music.

OldTimey
Sep 11, 2007, 11:05 AM
I think I am just going to stick with iToner and Garage Band. Any idea why they made this so difficult? Do they know no one is likely to really do this and do they know that we will all probably stick with our hacks that are already working just fine (and free)? Why bother with this? They must know this is really user unfriendly.


You are violating copyright laws with your "hacks." Musicians work atarin, and they only authorize the use of their music as a ringtone to people who pay for it.

OldTimey
Sep 11, 2007, 11:08 AM
I just hope they add it for all of their music...stupid record labels...:p

-=|Mgkwho


yea they should just give their product away, like grocery stores and best buy and the apple store...oh wait

that's just not how it works bud.

sigpi1
Sep 11, 2007, 11:08 AM
Had a pop-up asking if I wanted I-Tunes to serach for songs in my library that were compatible. It did it and the bells popped up in a new column. Funy thing is I went into I-Tunes store to confirm and the songs my I-Tunes shows are compatible do not show up in the store as compatible. That being said, coverted a Taproot song this morning and it works just fine.

happyduck42
Sep 11, 2007, 11:14 AM
isn't there an easy way to check if songs I already purchased are ringtone ready?

if you command+j your library you can add the ringtone column and see what you have that can be made in to ringtones.

rdrr
Sep 11, 2007, 11:18 AM
So if you search for "ringtones" Captian Audio "Crazy Ringtones #2" comes up and of course an artard like me thinks that a 7 second track is an authorized ringtone... Nope! :mad:

itsaka
Sep 11, 2007, 11:19 AM
ooops. forget that.

rogerm
Sep 11, 2007, 11:21 AM
You are violating copyright laws with your "hacks." Musicians work atarin, and they only authorize the use of their music as a ringtone to people who pay for it.

Maybe, but what about those of us that want to use a sound or a piece of music that we created ourselves as a ringtone? Without these "hacks" this is impossible to do.

whatever
Sep 11, 2007, 11:24 AM
You are violating copyright laws with your "hacks." Musicians work atarin, and they only authorize the use of their music as a ringtone to people who pay for it.
Are you insane! That's like someone saying that I should pay a secondary fee to listen to music stored on my iPod in my car.

If someone legally bought music and can already play that music on said device (let's say an iPhone), then why would they have to pay a second time to hear a 30 second snippet of said song?

I understand and accept that there is an entire industry built around ring tones, but downloading and paying for a ring tone from Verizon is different than buying music once and then being forced to pay for it a second time. What the difference you might ask, well in this case Verizon is performing a service, providing the edited ring tone. But with iTune I'm buying the song first, then editing it and then paying a second time.

People wonder the music industry is dying, well here is one more reason.

Blue Velvet
Sep 11, 2007, 11:26 AM
...They're abusing the law and Fair Use.


No, they're not. I suggest you do some reading to find out what 'Fair Use' actually means in the context of copyright.

Fair use is a doctrine in United States copyright law that allows limited use of copyrighted material without requiring permission from the rights holders, such as use for scholarship or review. It provides for the legal, non-licensed citation or incorporation of copyrighted material in another author's work under a four-factor balancing test...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fair_use

xenotaku
Sep 11, 2007, 11:31 AM
this is so stupid

OldTimey
Sep 11, 2007, 11:35 AM
it is a gray area, sure. You cannot use more than 30 seconds of the work as a ringtone, or you are violating copyright law, that much is sure.

You cannot broadcast or "air" a copyrighted song in a public environment without violating fair use. This is why restaurants and bars and stores pay music publishers each time they play songs over their PA systems.

having your cell phone broadcast "Baby One More Time" to a train full of people is quite different from playing it back in the privacy of your car.

OldTimey
Sep 11, 2007, 11:37 AM
People wonder the music industry is dying, well here is one more reason.

there are many reasons. People not paying for music is probably the biggest or the second biggest. The other top reason is bad music in the mainstream.

zwida
Sep 11, 2007, 11:38 AM
Can anyone confirm this?

Let's say I own a cd for a song. I put it on my iPod. The same song is available on the iTunes store and is ringtone capable. Do I have to buy the song from iTunes in order to convert it to a ringtone?

Yes.

While it has clearly created quite a few unhappy users, this is true. But, and it seems to be a pretty bg but, only certain songs are licensed for ringtone use.

Nicky G
Sep 11, 2007, 11:39 AM
That sucks...Ladytron no longer seems available to be made into a ringtone

Are you sure you bought the song via iTunes in the first place? Oh, now check this -- only the version from the album "Extended Play" seems to work, the other from Witching Hour does not. But weird, I am SURE I bought it as part of Witching Hour, I don't even own Extended Play...

I think it's safe to say there are rough edges to this iTMS ringtone thingy...

jecapaga
Sep 11, 2007, 11:41 AM
1. Press cmd+J and check the box to activate viewing the Ringtones
2. Click the Ringtone symbol in the top of the column.

This way you will sort your music library based on the songs Ringtone status. Songs with ringtones will appear grouped together at the top (or bottom if you click twice) of the list.

I don't know...I have just short of 25,000 songs in itunes and I have the ringtones icon in itunes but not one tune is showing up as ringtone-able. I have about 300 purchased tunes. I must be doing something wrong.

EDIT: nevermind, all good now.

SenorVP
Sep 11, 2007, 11:43 AM
For the sake of folks new to iPhones, virtually all of the problems discussed in this thread can be fixed LEGALLY for $15.

1. Buy your iTunes song.
2. Burn it onto a CD
3. Rip it back into .mp3 format. Audiophiles, leave me alone!
4. Open the .mp3 file in Audacity (Free. Both Mac and PC. If you have Garage Band, fine. If not, http://audacity.sourceforge.net)
5. Edit the ringtone and save as an .mp3 file.
6. Buy iToner from Ambrosia Software. Drag and drop simplicity for ringtones.
7. Install the ringtone.

You now have a DMA-free copy of the song and a ringtone.

mikeinternet
Sep 11, 2007, 11:47 AM
there are many reasons. People not paying for music is probably the biggest or the second biggest. The other top reason is bad music in the mainstream.

the corporate monster that the music industry is today should be left to die.

music has been around a lot longer than copyright laws.

mostman
Sep 11, 2007, 11:48 AM
For the sake of folks new to iPhones, virtually all of the problems discussed in this thread can be fixed LEGALLY for $15.

1. Buy your iTunes song.
2. Burn it onto a CD
3. Rip it back into .mp3 format. Audiophiles, leave me alone!
4. Open the .mp3 file in Audacity (Free. Both Mac and PC. If you have Garage Band, fine. If not, http://audacity.sourceforge.net)
5. Edit the ringtone and save as an .mp3 file.
6. Buy iToner from Ambrosia Software. Drag and drop simplicity for ringtones.
7. Install the ringtone.

You now have a DMA-free copy of the song and a ringtone.

Or....

1. Pay the 1 friggen dollar to get the ringtone.

People amaze me. Downright amaze me. ITS ONE DOLLAR!

Lets see - spend an hour of my time - buy software I don't need, give myself a headache. But hey, I saved enough money to buy a Snickers bar and I 'Stuck it to the Man' - yeeha.

mikeinternet
Sep 11, 2007, 11:50 AM
For the sake of folks new to iPhones, virtually all of the problems discussed in this thread can be fixed LEGALLY for $15.
...
6. Buy iToner from Ambrosia Software. Drag and drop simplicity for ringtones.
...

SendSong can do that for free.
( a little different but in my opinion even easier)

SenorVP
Sep 11, 2007, 11:50 AM
If you purchase a work, you have every right to change the media format of that work. (Copy your VHS tape onto a DVD, for example, or change your AAC file to .mp3.)
In addition, if playing a ringtone was a public performance, so would be playing an album at a backyard party. A public performance requires that people be invited with the main purpose of hearing or viewing a work. Usually there must also be a fee involved. It has nothing whatsoever to do with ringtones!

corywoolf
Sep 11, 2007, 11:51 AM
Can someone tell me who is going to waste their time in browser mode in iTunes to find songs that can be made into ringtones? Unless I am having a *really* blonde moment, I cannot find a way to just look up a song or artist without going through all the hoops that iTunes in browser mode requires. It takes forever just to find a compatible song! Also, why isn't there an easy way to check if songs I already purchased are ringtone ready?

I think I am just going to stick with iToner and Garage Band. Any idea why they made this so difficult? Do they know no one is likely to really do this and do they know that we will all probably stick with our hacks that are already working just fine (and free)? Why bother with this? They must know this is really user unfriendly.

Maybe I'm being quick to judge. Maybe it's just a fluke that the bells are showing up for me (haven't tried to make a ringtone; don't really know that I want to spend the money). I suppose since they didn't make an official announcement that it's up, and since I only found it by accident, it might not be 100% ready; but I did what SJ did in the demo to find songs, so I'm thinking that is how they intend this to work. I just think it could be better.

Even Steve Jobs had trouble using the new ringtone maker. It is poorly thought out. Most users aren't smart enough or care enough to jump through all these hoops. I bet they release an update within the month that makes it far easier for the average joe. The ringtone tab under the library section shouldn't be there unless an iPhone has been hooked in. I can see it now... Someone makes a big deal that Apple's ringtone maker isn't compatible with their Treo. They should really make it clear that these ringtones will only work on the iPhone.

Clix Pix
Sep 11, 2007, 11:52 AM
Fixed. In iTunes, click on "Store" and then "Authorize Computer"...for some reason, I had to authorize my computer again. Once done, it will sync just fine.

That's what I discovered, too. Kind of annoying!

OldTimey
Sep 11, 2007, 11:57 AM
If you purchase a work, you have every right to change the media format of that work. (Copy your VHS tape onto a DVD, for example, or change your AAC file to .mp3.)
In addition, if playing a ringtone was a public performance, so would be playing an album at a backyard party. A public performance requires that people be invited with the main purpose of hearing or viewing a work. Usually there must also be a fee involved. It has nothing whatsoever to do with ringtones!

From ASCAP:

"A public performance is one that occurs either in a public place or any place where people gather (other than a small circle of a family or its social acquaintances.)"


So your backyard party is OK. Playing music through your boombox in a crowded train station is not.

OldTimey
Sep 11, 2007, 11:58 AM
the corporate monster that the music industry is today should be left to die.

music has been around a lot longer than copyright laws.

fine, kill the monster. but how are musicians supposed to be paid? You gonna stop stealing their music?

SenorVP
Sep 11, 2007, 12:00 PM
SendSong can do that for free.
( a little different but in my opinion even easier)

Sendsong looks pretty good, but I like to change my tones with some frequency. (Unlike Yeeha who seems to be quite happy with one. Probably something from the Deliverance soundtrack.) I like having a company like Ambrosia behind it cause if there are problems (like when iTunes 7.4 came out), they fix it right away.

robertmorris2
Sep 11, 2007, 12:00 PM
I guarantee this whole $0.99 fiasco was AT&Ts and the music industry's doing. If you remember at the 2007 Macworld Keynote when the iPhone was introduced, you were going to be able to turn any song you had on your iPhone into a ringtone. Makes sense, it's an iPod for crying out loud! Then this ability somehow vanished when the iPhone shipped. I'm sure it was a deal with the devil to get it out. Took longer than they expected. I'm sure Apple had the app all ready to go day one, but AT&T and the music industry want to milk every nickel and dime out of you that they can. :eek:

The app itself is VERY Apple. The repaying for a song you already have is ridiculous. Very non-Apple.

Let's see, pay again for a song that is already authorized to you in your iTunes account and already has DRM so only you can play it? WTF?? This is one of the most evil things ever created. Don't support it. Use the hack. :cool:

He's right !!! You're paying for the song twice, and for just 30 seconds of it, just for a stupid ringtone. Don't buy into this ripoff....it should be free to apple users anyway. 400-500 bucks for a phone and now they nickle and dime you to death. This is sounding so 'micro' soft to me...everything is at a cost.

papaburgundy
Sep 11, 2007, 12:01 PM
Probably won't use this feature very much, but it is still well done. I know a lot of people will complain about the cost and limited features, but for someone who has no idea how to put ringtones on their phone this is solid. I can make my own, so I won't use it, but others will get a lot of use out of this.

notjustjay
Sep 11, 2007, 12:02 PM
Let's say I own a cd for a song. I put it on my iPod. The same song is available on the iTunes store and is ringtone capable. Do I have to buy the song from iTunes in order to convert it to a ringtone?

As much as I agree with you that it would be nice if this was possible, I don't think there's a feasible way to confirm ownership of a track that hadn't been purchased from iTMS itself.

How would the store know that the track you've already put on your iPod is the same as one available in iTunes? You can't rely on ID3 tags since anyone could edit those. When you put the CD in the drive, you can't even rely on CDDB because I believe those are also user-submitted. Do CDs all have unique tags that could be used to look up what they are? Even if they do, there's no proof it's yours, and not a CD from a friend or from the library.

So legally they probably needed to be held tighly accountable for ringtone control, and for this lovely outcome you can thank the RIAA. Yes, robertmorris2, you can thank the RIAA for forcing Apple to "nickle and dime you to death". Sounds like Microsoft, you say? The difference is Microsoft is happy to do it. Apple at least went in kicking and screaming on our behalf.

hexonxonx
Sep 11, 2007, 12:08 PM
You are violating copyright laws with your "hacks." Musicians work atarin, and they only authorize the use of their music as a ringtone to people who pay for it.


I tried iToner shortly after all the ringtones became available on iTunes and have concluded that iTunes, though limited on selection right now, is still the best choice for a ringtone.

Why?

iTunes allows us to actually choose the section of a song we want to make into a ringtone and control the fade-in. Once we are happy with the customizing, we can then buy the ringtone and sync it to the iphone and add it to whatever contacts we wish.

iToner was very simple to use. After starting iToner, I would simply drag any song to the iPhone graphic and then hit the sync button. The WHOLE song is then copied and appears in the ringtones selection on the iPhone. Yes the whole song. When a call comes in, the whole song begins to play from the very beginning. If you have a song with low volume at the beginning, well you won't know your iPhone is ringing for several seconds unless you can feel it vibrate. Then you have the fact that the iPhones speaker is not that loud to begin with. Some of the iPhones included ringtones can insure you hear when a call comes in because of their varied sound pitch. You can't always get that with a song.

Well, I deleted the songs from my iPhone and deleted iToner. To me it' not worth the $15. For that money they should have allowed the song customizing that iTunes gives us. Besides, iTunes is legal.

Hope this helps some.

OldTimey
Sep 11, 2007, 12:09 PM
Do CDs all have unique tags that could be used to look up what they are?


most cds these days embed unique ISRC codes for each track. Some havd CD-TEXT embedded as well, but this is less common.

Jeffrey903
Sep 11, 2007, 12:15 PM
I wanted to try out the ringtone service through Apple, specifically to find out if iTunes Plus songs would create DRM-encoded ringtones. So I try and find an iTunes Plus song that supports ringtones (and there aren't many, I really only found a couple of Coldplay songs). So I bought "The Scientist", paying $1.29.

Then I go to make a ringtone, and I select the portion of the song that I want, but when I go to buy it, I get the following error:

Could not create ringtone. An unknown error occurred (-42160).

Now the only reason I bought this song was to try out the ringtone service (I already own the song on CD). Yes, I know I can do the easy workarounds to use my own song, but I wanted to try out Apple's service so I would know how it works. Now I want my money back, since I paid for essentially nothing.

rdrr
Sep 11, 2007, 12:16 PM
fine, kill the monster. but how are musicians supposed to be paid? You gonna stop stealing their music?

How is using the song as a ringtone that you PAID for, considered stealing?

SenorVP
Sep 11, 2007, 12:16 PM
From ASCAP:

"A public performance is one that occurs either in a public place or any place where people gather (other than a small circle of a family or its social acquaintances.)"


So your backyard party is OK. Playing music through your boombox in a crowded train station is not.

Read the law. Not ASCAP's selections from the law:
A) except as provided in subparagraph (B), communication of a transmission
embodying a performance or display of a work by the public reception
of the transmission on a single receiving apparatus of a kind commonly
used in private homes
Boombox: OK
iPhone: OK

showkati
Sep 11, 2007, 12:18 PM
ok for the past hour i have been trying to activate the ringtone tab in the music i library. i have

-bought that stupid aretha franklin song with a bell next to it hoping it would
activate it
-made a ringtone by store>make a ringtone.
-plugged in my iphone into my computer

none of these activated the bells for me and now im getting frustrated. anybody know any other ways i can try???

OldTimey
Sep 11, 2007, 12:25 PM
I suppose if you own the track and or CD then it is fine. There is no way to control this piracy however, so the RIAA needs to recoup losses any way it can. This is one way to do it. If you don't like apple's policy, then don't pay for it. take your tunes and do what you will. (provided you didn't steal the music).

harper101
Sep 11, 2007, 12:29 PM
...and when my phone syncs I get a message that the file wasn't copied to my iPhone because "you're not authorized to play it on this computer." Huh? Anyone else seen that one?


Yup.....I have this problem also. Anyone know what's up?

showkati
Sep 11, 2007, 12:33 PM
Yup.....I have this problem also. Anyone know what's up?


yea go ahead and go into your ringtones folder and click on the ringtone to authorize it on your computer, then try syncing again and it should work.

harper101
Sep 11, 2007, 12:36 PM
Fixed. In iTunes, click on "Store" and then "Authorize Computer"...for some reason, I had to authorize my computer again. Once done, it will sync just fine.

Thanks!! Fixed the problem.

harper101
Sep 11, 2007, 12:39 PM
Or....

1. Pay the 1 friggen dollar to get the ringtone.

People amaze me. Downright amaze me. ITS ONE DOLLAR!

Lets see - spend an hour of my time - buy software I don't need, give myself a headache. But hey, I saved enough money to buy a Snickers bar and I 'Stuck it to the Man' - yeeha.


Too ****** funny!! "Stick it to the Man"......LOVE IT!!! Now back to your regularly scheduled program (Deadliest Catch).

mikeinternet
Sep 11, 2007, 12:43 PM
fine, kill the monster. but how are musicians supposed to be paid? You gonna stop stealing their music?

this has gotten off topic for this thread but..

the way the music industry is now you have a a small handful of artists getting rich and the vast majority making nothing.

the best music is made by people who aren't millionaires.

megfilmworks
Sep 11, 2007, 12:45 PM
I just hope they add it for all of their music...stupid record labels...:p

-=|Mgkwho
It's not the record labels, a ringtone is a new license that is negotiated with the writer and publisher as well as the recording master's owner. In this day and age, most big name artists control all of the above. I have several artists that I know who will never license their songs. They think it is a lo-fi, crass and commercial way to have their music exploited. (just like use for commercial products on TV) I know artists who will never license for any amount of money to a ringtone or greeting card etc. but give away their licenses to a great cause. It's not about money at all.
I think the big mistake people who are not in the biz seem to assume that the record companies actually have any power at all. It is the artist/writer who pulls the strings and their power is directly related to their popularity. And what makes you think that a artist/writer would allow a record label to negotiate a license on their behalf?

mdntcallr
Sep 11, 2007, 12:56 PM
This is kinda lame!

why?
1- too hard to figure out what songs i already purchased that can be made into ringtones

2- If i already own a cd, ripped it into itunes, i have to PAY??? BS! i would want to make it a ringtone without PAYING!!

Apple, this is the start of making your customers pissed off with you.

bmclemons
Sep 11, 2007, 12:56 PM
Anyone else notice that if there is too much bass, etc that the ringtone sounds crappy (static, etc) as if the volume is too high outside the speaker? I'm thinking perhaps I have a bad speaker on my iPhone, but even when turning the volume down for incoming call rings it still sounds bad...

Vocal only songs sound fine... Alternative and dance really are horrible. It's as if iTunes doesn't flatten the file first to accomodate for the iPhone's speaker.

:confused:

dejo
Sep 11, 2007, 01:02 PM
It is the artist/writer who pulls the strings and their power is directly related to their popularity. And what makes you think that a artist/writer would allow a record label to negotiate a license on their behalf?
I would think whatever terms that artist/writer has in their contract with the record label would determine that licensing. And many new, up-and-coming artists sign long-term contracts with the major labels that hand over much of their control in these matters to the labels, which they later regret, but are legally obliged to obey.

megfilmworks
Sep 11, 2007, 01:05 PM
2- If i already own a cd, ripped it into itunes, i have to PAY??? BS! i would want to make it a ringtone without PAYING!!

Apple, this is the start of making your customers pissed off with you.

A note on fair use. If you have legally purchased a cd or mp3 you have the right to make a copy for your phone. That is fair use. A previous poster said it would be illegal because you would be playing it in public. Not so. It is not a commercial use. But Apple can not allow this to happen because they are a business and they must get a license to distribute a ringtone.
So when you take your music, cut it yourself, and install it on your phone, it is legal and fair. Just do not make copies for your friends. And only do it from music you have paid for legally.

cliffjumper68
Sep 11, 2007, 01:06 PM
What is the difference between this and using garage band to do the same thing with more options?

Peace
Sep 11, 2007, 01:09 PM
I wanted to try out the ringtone service through Apple, specifically to find out if iTunes Plus songs would create DRM-encoded ringtones. So I try and find an iTunes Plus song that supports ringtones (and there aren't many, I really only found a couple of Coldplay songs). So I bought "The Scientist", paying $1.29.

Then I go to make a ringtone, and I select the portion of the song that I want, but when I go to buy it, I get the following error:



Now the only reason I bought this song was to try out the ringtone service (I already own the song on CD). Yes, I know I can do the easy workarounds to use my own song, but I wanted to try out Apple's service so I would know how it works. Now I want my money back, since I paid for essentially nothing.

This is because the ringtone has to be 128kbps or lower.iTunes usually makes them 122kbps.
I have a lot of DRM free albums I purchased through iTunes and none of them are "ringtoneble".

megfilmworks
Sep 11, 2007, 01:12 PM
I would think whatever terms that artist/writer has in their contract with the record label would determine that licensing. And many new, up-and-coming artists sign long-term contracts with the major labels that hand over much of their control in these matters to the labels, which they later regret, but are legally obliged to obey.That is a good thought, but it just is not true in reality. I have to negotiate ringtone licenses for every major retailer of ringtones, individually. The record label does not own the underlying work (i.e. song) In the old days record labels tried to control everything. Only the most desperate artists bit. Those old contracts are regularly reversed in court. Today record labels have no power. They don't pay for your recording because you produced it yourself (on Pro-tools), and they don't have the power to negotiate due to multiple distribution chains they don't control. The writer/publisher is the one in the driver's seat. Ever notice all the partial albums on iTunes?

costmo
Sep 11, 2007, 01:26 PM
Since a lot of people are still complaining about having to pay extra to put ring tones on their phone, I am assuming that most haven't seen the thread on a *non-hack* method for adding songs that you own as ring tones.

A link to the software is here:
http://www.rogueamoeba.com/utm/posts/Article/MakeiPhoneRingtone-2007-09-11-09-00.html

It's a simple app. Drag any AAC (MP4 audio) file into its window and that/those file(s) appear in your iTunes Ringtones section. No messing with file renaming or requirement to hack the phone to drop stuff onto its file system. Simply sync your phone with iTunes and your new ring tones are available - the same way they would be if you had purchased them from the iTunes store.

I'm not affiliated in any way with the software maker - just thinking that this utility has gone unnoticed. :)

Jeffrey903
Sep 11, 2007, 01:41 PM
This is because the ringtone has to be 128kbps or lower.iTunes usually makes them 122kbps.
I have a lot of DRM free albums I purchased through iTunes and none of them are "ringtoneble".
But the song has a ringtone icon next to it, even when I have iTunes Plus set to default (and the plus icon shows up aswell). Are you saying that I paid extra for a song that says I can make a ringtone out of it, and it won't let me make a ringtone out of it because the song is "too good"? If so, I want a refund of my $1.29.

dejo
Sep 11, 2007, 02:03 PM
That is a good thought, but it just is not true in reality. I have to negotiate ringtone licenses for every major retailer of ringtones, individually. The record label does not own the underlying work (i.e. song) In the old days record labels tried to control everything. Only the most desperate artists bit. Those old contracts are regularly reversed in court. Today record labels have no power. They don't pay for your recording because you produced it yourself (on Pro-tools), and they don't have the power to negotiate due to multiple distribution chains they don't control. The writer/publisher is the one in the driver's seat. Ever notice all the partial albums on iTunes?
Hmm, well, this may be true in your case, but I don't think it is true for the average performer that has just signed with a major record label. True, thanks to the Internet, the power of the labels is diminishing day-after-day but only the biggest artists are able to wield so much power over the labels and avoid the traditional record deal where the label owns the product of their artists' work after having footed the bill for production, marketing and distribution.

ricardo6xas@gma
Sep 11, 2007, 02:10 PM
why pay for a ringtone? on every other phones we can upload mp3 files and make a ringtone... i hate when companies start to be greedy. crap.

Peace
Sep 11, 2007, 02:18 PM
But the song has a ringtone icon next to it, even when I have iTunes Plus set to default (and the plus icon shows up aswell). Are you saying that I paid extra for a song that says I can make a ringtone out of it, and it won't let me make a ringtone out of it because the song is "too good"? If so, I want a refund of my $1.29.


What iTunes Plus DRM-Free song are you referring to ?

dejo
Sep 11, 2007, 02:22 PM
why pay for a ringtone? on every other phones we can upload mp3 files and make a ringtone...
Can we please stop with the false argument that every other phone will let us upload our own MP3 files as ringtones when this simply is not the truth? Some do, some don't.

CWallace
Sep 11, 2007, 02:22 PM
I tried iToner shortly after all the ringtones became available on iTunes and have concluded that iTunes, though limited on selection right now, is still the best choice for a ringtone...

Third-party audio editors allow you to edit the song to the desired 30 seconds which you can then use iToner (or another app) to send them to your iPhone. The disadvantage is that can be extra expense (most editors I have found are not freeware) and it requires some extra steps, but the advantage is it does allow you the flexibility to use any song as a ringtone, and not just ones supported by iTunes.

iTunes' advantage is that it's all integrated, as you noted in your post. No need to use separate applications to first create and then send the ringtones. No worries about Apple breaking it via an iPhone or iTunes update. The disadvantage is cost and the ability to only make some songs ringtones.

Maccus Aurelius
Sep 11, 2007, 02:33 PM
It's a good thing I detest musical ringtones. :p

MacPhilosopher
Sep 11, 2007, 02:45 PM
Apple stands out as a company that makes products/devices that we can use to think and be different, right? How come they have gone out of their way to cripple this device? We should be able to make anything into a ringtone. I understand that if they are providing the ringtone they must charge for it. However, why not allow us to use iTunes and/or garage band to produce ringtones from any thing "we" want to use? They are violating their basic philosophy.

Professor Griff
Sep 11, 2007, 03:12 PM
I tried to purchase my first ringtone. First, I bought the song for $1.29. Then, I attempted to purchase the ringtone for an additional .99 <sucker>. So I clicked on the little bell and it took me to the itunes agreement. I accepted then proceeded to make my ringtone "just so". When I clicked "buy" I was met with the following error message: COULD NOT CREATE RINGTONE. AN UNKNOWN ERROR OCCURRED (-42160). THERE WAS AN ERROR IN THE ITUNES STORE. PLEASE TRY AGAIN LATER.

Has this happened to anyone else?

Kristen :confused:

I had the same problem. I called Tech Support and they had me search the iTunes Store for the song. Despite having the ringtone icon next to the song in my own library, the song in the iTunes Store did NOT have the icon next to it. There's some sort of bug, and they've now been notified of it.

Tech Support ended up giving me a couple of song credits, and advised me to report it if I come across the issue again. I suggest you do, as well. I hope this is of help.

Here’s an Apple Discussion Group Thread about the problem: http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?messageID=5321707#5321707

megfilmworks
Sep 11, 2007, 03:24 PM
Hmm, well, this may be true in your case, but I don't think it is true for the average performer that has just signed with a major record label. True, thanks to the Internet, the power of the labels is diminishing day-after-day but only the biggest artists are able to wield so much power over the labels and avoid the traditional record deal where the label owns the product of their artists' work after having footed the bill for production, marketing and distribution.
Really not the way it is. Think of Green Day releasing Working Class Hero.
Green Day may want to license the ringtone and their label might, but what if Yoko doesn't? The underlying work is the key!! Writers and Publishers run the music business, which the record business is only a player (and a diminishing player at that) Why do you think Tower went under. CDs are on their way to Vinyl record heaven. Sure, some minor players may still get yanked around, But people who want ringtones want hits not unknowns.

Shagrat
Sep 11, 2007, 03:33 PM
Since a lot of people are still complaining about having to pay extra to put ring tones on their phone, I am assuming that most haven't seen the thread on a *non-hack* method for adding songs that you own as ring tones.

A link to the software is here:
http://www.rogueamoeba.com/utm/posts/Article/MakeiPhoneRingtone-2007-09-11-09-00.html

It's a simple app. Drag any AAC (MP4 audio) file into its window and that/those file(s) appear in your iTunes Ringtones section. No messing with file renaming or requirement to hack the phone to drop stuff onto its file system. Simply sync your phone with iTunes and your new ring tones are available - the same way they would be if you had purchased them from the iTunes store.

I'm not affiliated in any way with the software maker - just thinking that this utility has gone unnoticed. :)

Firstly, MakeiPhoneRingtone does indeed pop an AAC file (a free song from iTunes) into the ringtones selection, but of course it dumps the whole song there. iTunes won't edit it down. If i try to "Create Ringtone" by right clicking it, then iTunes just says iTunes cannot connect to the iTunes store...

but so far no song I have purchased shows the bell icon, and i can't see ANY in the iTunes store. Can anyone OUTSIDE the US ssee ANY tracks that can be converted even by paying?

Or is this another US only feature???

jasonp99
Sep 11, 2007, 04:21 PM
I tried iToner shortly after all the ringtones became available on iTunes and have concluded that iTunes, though limited on selection right now, is still the best choice for a ringtone.

Why?



To put a ringtone on my Razr I duplicated an existing song, then set the start/stop points to where I wanted the ringtone to play, and then sent the file to my Razr using Bluetooth. Very easy.

Does Bluetooth File Exchange not work on the iPhone?

-Jason

CWallace
Sep 11, 2007, 05:14 PM
Does Bluetooth File Exchange not work on the iPhone?

It does not, though it might just be a case of the feature currently being present but disabled in the iPhone's software.