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MacRumors
Sep 14, 2007, 12:32 AM
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MacRumors has been given the opportunity to provide an exclusive preview of an unreleased and unannounced application from Ambrosia Software (http://www.ambrosiasw.com) called WireTap Studio, due for first release later this month.

While WireTap Studio shares a name with WireTap Pro (http://www.ambrosiasw.com/utilities/wiretap/), it is an entirely new application with a broader range and appeal. The major feature of the original WireTap Pro (http://www.ambrosiasw.com/utilities/wiretap/) application was the ability to selectively record audio from any Mac application and save it to a variety of formats. Uses ranged from recording Internet radio to ripping audio from DVDs. WireTap Studio promises to provide a more complete solution with tools to record, edit and manage your audio. A few standout features should make it particularly compelling for both amateurs and professionals who distribute audio over the Internet.

As a preview, we are simply touching on the major features of the application, and this shouldn't be seen as a review. I do think that the most compelling feature is the patent pending LivePreview™ technology, so if you read nothing else you should at least watch the video below. Beyond that, lossless editing and lossless format selection are also very attractive features.

Read Rest of Article and Watch Video (http://www.macrumors.com/2007/09/13/exclusive-preview-ambrosia-softwares-wiretap-studio/)



arn
Sep 14, 2007, 12:33 AM
To calm the suspicious, this is not an advertisement, and we receive no direct financial gain for this content. Instead, it's to expand a little bit of our content in a meaningful and appropriate way.

You can direct general content feedback to this feedback thread (http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=354704), but please keep this news thread on-topic. Any off-topic posts there will be deleted.

This thread is for discussion of the preview of WireTap Studio article.

Abstract
Sep 14, 2007, 12:53 AM
I once used WireTap to record Jack Johnson's KFOG radio concert. Awesome and free. Then I think they started charging for it, and it became less awesome since I only had one type of use for it, and they took away the "free" part of it.

BKKbill
Sep 14, 2007, 01:06 AM
So if I understand this correctly if you can hear it on your mac wiretap will let it be saved in different formats. If so bring it on. I don't think $19.00 is to high a price too pay for this.

Ja Di ksw
Sep 14, 2007, 01:07 AM
This is very impressive, I've always wanted something like this for recording songs off of internet radio. Granted, not enough to look on my own :o, so it may be out there with other programs, but this looks like it's very easy to use, and that Live Preview and the Lossless options are awesome!

BlueRevolution
Sep 14, 2007, 01:11 AM
[admin edit: General feedback copied to feedback thread (http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=354704)]

As far as the post itself goes, the app sounds exactly like a combination of Rogue Amoeba's Audio Hijack and Fission. I don't see anything featured there that sell it over the two, but then the screenshots are hardly a complete picture of the app. I have no particular loyalty to Rogue Amoeba, but then I have to admit I dislike Ambrosia. I have tried out their shareware apps from time to time, but none of them have remained on my hard drive let alone merited purchase.

I do appreciate Snapz Pro, though. It is a well-designed app and as such seems to have found an excellent niche. The only problem is, it's a very expensive niche. There is no way I would spend $70 on a piece of software for video screenshots - $30, maybe.

I apologize for my bluntness and tendency to rant about the company. I do appreciate that Ambrosia's developer is an active member of the community and will read this, and I assure you my comments are not personal. Put it that based on my past experience with the company I don't have high hopes for this app, but the screenshots look moderately promising and I look forward to trying out a demo. And I would suggest that you price it below the $50 price point of Rogue Amoeba's Fission/Audio Hijack combo deal - most of Ambrosia's products, as touched on by Abstract, are rather overpriced.

[/wordy rant]

randyharris
Sep 14, 2007, 01:12 AM
I'd like to hear about comparisons, pro's and con's with WireTap & AudioHiJack.

I do appreciate Snapz Pro, though. It is a well-designed app and as such seems to have found an excellent niche. The only problem is, it's a very expensive niche. There is no way I would spend $70 on a piece of software for video screenshots - $30, maybe.

Check out iShowU, it's similar to SnapzPro and is right around $30. Great Application.

doobi18
Sep 14, 2007, 01:32 AM
guys, just get audiohijack.

its freeware


it captures amazing sound quality from any specific app on your mac or any input

hooch
Sep 14, 2007, 01:37 AM
So, how well will this work with converting audio on youtube music videos? There are some songs that I really like on youtube that aren't released yet. I used zamzar to convert the files to audio but the quality obviously turned out to be a lot worse. Would this be a better way to convert youtube to audio?

randyharris
Sep 14, 2007, 01:38 AM
guys, just get audiohijack.

its freeware


it captures amazing sound quality from any specific app on your mac or any input

Are you talking about Audio HiJack from Roque Amoeba? It's $16, not free. And the Pro version is $32. Details here (http://www.rogueamoeba.com/audiohijackpro/compare.php).

Ja Di ksw
Sep 14, 2007, 01:39 AM
guys, just get audiohijack.

its freeware

It is? versiontracker has it listed as shareware with a price.

arn
Sep 14, 2007, 01:40 AM
So, how well will this work with converting audio on youtube music videos? There are some songs that I really like on youtube that aren't released yet. I used zamzar to convert the files to audio but the quality obviously turned out to be a lot worse. Would this be a better way to convert youtube to audio?

Both Audio Hijack or Wiretap Pro would do what you want better than any conversion tools, and as noted above, both are shareware and available right now.

arn

mashinhead
Sep 14, 2007, 02:06 AM
i've been using wiretap pro for years and it is a great app. i paid for it. So my question is how does this affect WTP users? Do i have to purchase this app too? or is there and upgrade option?

moki
Sep 14, 2007, 02:11 AM
[admin edit: General feedback copied to feedback thread (http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=354704)]

As far as the post itself goes, the app sounds exactly like a combination of Rogue Amoeba's Audio Hijack and Fission. I don't see anything featured there that sell it over the two, but then the screenshots are hardly a complete picture of the app.

Trust me, you haven't seen anything yet. ;) WireTap Studio is far, far more than just AudioHijack + Fission. We do things in a way you've never seen before, and I believe you'll be suitably impressed when it is released.

Check out iShowU, it's similar to SnapzPro and is right around $30. Great Application.

IShowU is a nice application, but it doesn't do everything Snapz Pro X does (and its cursor support is a show stopper for most people)... and its performance suffers because it does the encode while it is doing the capture.

Download 'em both and try 'em both out!

i've been using wiretap pro for years and it is a great app. i paid for it. So my question is how does this affect WTP users? Do i have to purchase this app too? or is there and upgrade option?

There will be a great upgrade discount for registered users of WireTap Pro, no worries.

I'd like to hear about comparisons, pro's and con's with WireTap & AudioHiJack.

I'd suggest waiting until WireTap Studio is released, and then trying them both for yourself. We're extremely happy to have people try our software before they buy it, and compare the feature set to other products that are on the market.

I believe it will be a no-brainer choice to go with WireTap Studio, but then I'm ridiculously bias. ;)

Zygon Gambit
Sep 14, 2007, 02:18 AM
Trust me, you haven't seen anything yet. ;) WireTap Studio is far, far more than just AudioHijack + Fission. We do things in a way you've never seen before, and I believe you'll be suitably impressed when it is released.
As an owner of AudioHijack (Pro) and Fission - what would make me want to get this new app? What does it offer that those applications don't?

flir67
Sep 14, 2007, 02:21 AM
just get audio hijack like others have said, its basically free, you can record a full 10 minutes from any app,movie,or audio source from a mac.

even youtube videos and soundtracks...

figure it out ......

slackpacker
Sep 14, 2007, 02:35 AM
Waahh Waahh wahh it costs money ..what is $20 bucks going to break the bank. Lets be constructive here.

moki
Sep 14, 2007, 02:39 AM
As an owner of AudioHijack (Pro) and Fission - what would make me want to get this new app? What does it offer that those applications don't?

Well, as a quick example, you can't do anything like this (http://people.ambrosiasw.com/~andrew/work/wts_changeyourmind.mov) with AHP/Fission. :)

Notice what's going on... we're previewing audio from iTunes (this is our LivePreview technology we've filed patents on), hearing what it sounds like compressed before it's ever recorded, then changing the compression on the fly (we could even change the compressor, from AAC to mp3 if we wanted to), adding a few effects on the fly, and then recording it at a very low quality.

Then we decide "Crap, those effects sound bad, and we really need it to sound better than the quality we recorded it at." So in the editor, we just turn off the effects we recorded with, and then boost up the quality. And there it is.

Granted, we changed this immediately after recording it, but you could come back 3 months later and do the same thing. Never have to re-record audio again!

Some other things you can do in WireTap Studio (that you cannot do with the Audio Hijack/Fission combo) that might interest you: crop losslessly (http://people.ambrosiasw.com/~andrew/work/wts/wts_lossless_cropping.mov) -- normalize in realtime (http://people.ambrosiasw.com/~andrew/work/wts/wts_realtime_normalization.mov) -- play with the format/compressor on the fly (http://people.ambrosiasw.com/~andrew/work/wts/wts_realtime_formatchange.mov) -- losslessly delete audio (http://people.ambrosiasw.com/~andrew/work/wts/wts_deleting_audio.mov) -- losslessly silence audio (http://people.ambrosiasw.com/~andrew/work/wts/wts_silencing_audio.mov) -- and of course the LivePreview feature is pretty cool. (http://people.ambrosiasw.com/~andrew/work/wts/wts_livepreview.mov)

And yes, there's more... just a taste. :)

arn
Sep 14, 2007, 02:40 AM
Waahh Waahh wahh it costs money ..what is $20 bucks going to break the bank. Lets be constructive here.

I think people are also missing the point to a degree.

Seems people are getting hung up on the record-audio portion of it. Let's be clear. Record audio from any application has existed for a while. As mentioned multiple times, Audio Hijack and WireTap Pro both do it and have done it for a while.

Now if you are just looking to rip an occasion song off a DVD or something, you're set, use those applications.

For people who need more, take of look at this app, and the video which I thought was very cool.

arn

pamon
Sep 14, 2007, 02:41 AM
great writeup and one of the more entertaining demo's i've seen with sound qualities. thanks MRF

illitrate23
Sep 14, 2007, 02:45 AM
must say, i've been a fan of Ambrosia shareware for many years. admittedly, it may be a bit more expensive than the competition but i feel that's compensated by the fact that generally you get to try out the complete app beforehand without restrictions. and their interfaces are always very intuitive, very mac. and they work, mostly, without fail.

i've been using WireTap Pro for years, not regularly but intermittently from time to time, and have been very happy. However, gotta say that it think the extra feature of the wave editor means i might end up using WireTap Stuido far more regularly - if it's a quicker process to edit the audio than it is in Quicktime (can't zoom into the waveform) or GarageBand (takes time to open and import and then export)

k2director
Sep 14, 2007, 03:00 AM
This is all great stuff, but how about an update to Snap Pro X? I'd love to be able to save a screen shot to any folder AFTER I've taken the shot, instead of having to remember to set the destination beforehand.

moki
Sep 14, 2007, 03:01 AM
This is all great stuff, but how about an update to Snap Pro X? I'd love to be able to save a screen shot to any folder AFTER I've taken the shot, instead of having to remember to set the destination beforehand.

We are absolutely working on that as well. Many of the paradigms that you see in WireTap Studio will also appear in new versions of Snapz. :)

Geordiekeith
Sep 14, 2007, 04:13 AM
Well I have always been impressed by Ambrosia products ever since getting over my addiction to Maelstrom many years ago, but the "high" pricing has put me off more recent products. However I would be ready to abandon Audio Hijack for Wire Tap Studio if there was also the facility to work/convert from with other formats such as FLAC and OGG. I currently use Toast to do those.
Any hint of the pricing Andrew?

Exodemia
Sep 14, 2007, 04:18 AM
Ambrosia make some great products, the only product I've used by them is Snapz Pro X and it's really good!

Queso
Sep 14, 2007, 04:27 AM
I use WTP all the time for turning radio news broadcasts from foreign language stations into MP3s for carrying round on my iPod. Great for helping with language learning.

I WAS the one
Sep 14, 2007, 04:29 AM
Audio Hijack is the best app for that, I don't know why Ambrosia launch something like that when it can work on something more powerful for Mac users...:confused:

Billy Boo Bob
Sep 14, 2007, 05:00 AM
guys, just get audiohijack.
........
it captures amazing sound quality from any specific app on your mac or any input
Audio Hijack is the best app for that, I don't know why Ambrosia launch something like that when it can work on something more powerful for Mac users...:confused:
One thing that a lot of people seem to be missing is the "come back later and work with a lossless source" feature.

For instance, if you set Audio Hijack to record into MP3 format at 128 sampling, that's as good as your audio will ever get without re-recording the source... You can certainly downgrade any audio as a copy which will come out sounding a lot like an original recording set at the downgraded settings, but even if you were to convert to 192 AAC, or even a lossless, it will still only sound as good as your original 128 MP3 (or whatever you first record at)...

With this app, if you decide you want to change the quality of your audio, you go back to your original and re-save (export) with your new settings and you'll get those "true" new settings.

This is fantastic. Especially for those "only one shot at recording" situations that come by some of us from time to time.

Granted, if you're dealing with many, many tracks of audio you'll need some HD room (to store all those lossless sources in the background), but hard drives are getting pretty cheap nowadays.

Nice job, guys. I look forward to it.

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TOMORROW:
One of the greatest labor saving devices of today.

twoodcc
Sep 14, 2007, 06:18 AM
Seems like pretty good software. I dont think I would use it that much, but I'm sure there are plenty that would

Zygon Gambit
Sep 14, 2007, 07:23 AM
Why are people rating this as 'negative'? How can more software ever be negative? If you don't like it, don't buy it.

Now, if it were about software offering fewer features, or discontinued software - then I'd understand a negative rating - but as it is, it seems very strange.

Wender
Sep 14, 2007, 07:26 AM
Will this app let you record a radio stream "as is" and then I mean in the same format and bitrate as the actual stream?

Like wolfgangsvault.com - the streams are Flash 9 based and bitrate varies according to your bandwidth. Will this or any other application let you:

1) See what the bitrate is?

2) Let you record the streamed file?

I know apps can save any audio as AIFF etc but grabbing the source content would be sweet.

moki
Sep 14, 2007, 07:37 AM
Audio Hijack is the best app for that, I don't know why Ambrosia launch something like that when it can work on something more powerful for Mac users...:confused:

We believe that WireTap Studio brings quite a bit more to the party than Audio Hijack Pro does, in a much easier to use interface (see my post on the first page (http://forums.macrumors.com/showpost.php?p=4178637&postcount=18) for examples of exactly what I mean). You're welcome to try it out for yourself and see if you agree, when we release it (soon, I promise!) :)

Mindcrime
Sep 14, 2007, 08:45 AM
Audio Hijack is the best app for that, I don't know why Ambrosia launch something like that when it can work on something more powerful for Mac users...:confused:

That's like saying, "Ford makes the best cars, I don't know why GM wants to enter the car market when they can make something more powerful for commuters... like a personal rocketship."

Why the heck is everyone dumping on Ambrosia for creating a competing product? That's how capitalism works.

crackermac
Sep 14, 2007, 08:53 AM
If I leave my satellite up and running and recording, say for an hour, can I come back and edit that recorded track and break it apart into the individual songs?

The Stig
Sep 14, 2007, 09:01 AM
Does anybody know if Ambrosia makes software that records video from your screen (like the snapshot program they have) and audio? I want to record training videos with a voice over with my built in mic. Can this be done?

The Stig

moki
Sep 14, 2007, 09:01 AM
Does anybody know if Ambrosia makes software that records video from your screen (like the snapshot program they have) and audio? I want to record training videos with a voice over with my built in mic. Can this be done?

The Stig

Yes, Snapz Pro X will do that for you: http://www.ambrosiasw.com/utilities/snapzprox/

If I leave my satellite up and running and recording, say for an hour, can I come back and edit that recorded track and break it apart into the individual songs?

Absolutely.

carrythebanner
Sep 14, 2007, 09:06 AM
(Hope this isn't considered OT...)

A+ on the music selection for video demo.

crackermac
Sep 14, 2007, 09:07 AM
Absolutely.

Well sign me up.

arn
Sep 14, 2007, 09:08 AM
(Hope this isn't considered OT...)

A+ on the music selection for video demo.

;) On topic, of course, and actually took a surprising amount of time for me to pick a song actually.

arn

cliffjumper68
Sep 14, 2007, 09:08 AM
So if I understand this correctly if you can hear it on your mac wiretap will let it be saved in different formats. If so bring it on. I don't think $19.00 is to high a price too pay for this.

$19 shmoles is not so bad for an app that works well. I could use this for web calls to review later. Sounds great!

soosy
Sep 14, 2007, 09:11 AM
We've had "livepreview" for images for years (web export in Photoshop, etc), it's a wonder we haven't seen it applied to sound sooner. Bravo!

X86BSD
Sep 14, 2007, 09:37 AM
How this would fare for recording live performances?
I have been thinking about recording live bands at a local Rock club.
And creating a podcast from the recordings to be published in iTunes.
Would this app work well for that? A sort of all in one record/edit app?
I realize I can't use it to publish the finished recording to iTunes but for the recording and editing of live performances would you recommend it for such a use?

Thanks,
X

moki
Sep 14, 2007, 09:42 AM
$19 shmoles is not so bad for an app that works well. I could use this for web calls to review later. Sounds great!

Just to be clear, WireTap Pro (the existing product) is $19 -- pricing on WireTap Studio (which is previewed in this article) has not been announced yet.

How this would fare for recording live performances?
I have been thinking about recording live bands at a local Rock club.
And creating a podcast from the recordings to be published in iTunes.
Would this app work well for that? A sort of all in one record/edit app?
I realize I can't use it to publish the finished recording to iTunes but for the recording and editing of live performances would you recommend it for such a use?

Thanks,
X

It would work extremely well, we actually have beta testers who are using it for exactly that.

lawcomic
Sep 14, 2007, 09:45 AM
I went with Audio Hijack over Wiretap Pro for podcast reasons. With Audio Hijack you could record both sides of a phone conversations (via Skype) and I don't think WTP could do that.

moki
Sep 14, 2007, 09:48 AM
I went with Audio Hijack over Wiretap Pro for podcast reasons. With Audio Hijack you could record both sides of a phone conversations (via Skype) and I don't think WTP could do that.

That's actually not the case... WireTap Pro can record both sides of a conversation with Skype... and of course the upcoming WireTap Studio can as well. Maybe we'll get you back into the fold with WireTap Studio. ;)

lawcomic
Sep 14, 2007, 09:51 AM
That's actually not the case... WireTap Pro can record both sides of a conversation with Skype... and of course the upcoming WireTap Studio can as well. Maybe we'll get you back into the fold with WireTap Studio. ;)

Wasn't it the case at one point? Or did those fiends at Rogue trick me?

moki
Sep 14, 2007, 10:00 AM
Wasn't it the case at one point? Or did those fiends at Rogue trick me?

The only time it was the case would be the original (free) WireTap, which did not record audio from line ins/mics. WireTap Pro has always been able to record Skype two way conversations.

We've had "livepreview" for images for years (web export in Photoshop, etc), it's a wonder we haven't seen it applied to sound sooner. Bravo!

Our LivePreview is even more "live" than Photoshop's. You don't just see a preview of the file before you save it out, you actually work with it/edit it live in the compressed format you've specified (which you can change at any time, losslessly).

quoted
Sep 14, 2007, 10:16 AM
Can you compare against Freeverse's SoundStudio3 (http://www.freeverse.com/apps/app/?id=5012)?

I've been demoing that to rip vinyl and have found it to be easy to use and versatile. But my free use is about up and it's time to decide to buy.

moki
Sep 14, 2007, 10:22 AM
Can you compare against Freeverse's SoundStudio3 (http://www.freeverse.com/apps/app/?id=5012)?

I've been demoing that to rip vinyl and have found it to be easy to use and versatile. But my free use is about up and it's time to decide to buy.

Not in an unbiased manner, I can't. Best bet would be for you to have a look at some of the videos (http://forums.macrumors.com/showpost.php?p=4178637&postcount=18) that I've posted, or give WireTap Studio a try out when it's released.

That said, my personal opinion is that SoundStudio is very much a new version of programs like SoundEdit16 (which came out many years ago). Which is not necessarily a bad thing... It's an okay editor, but doesn't really bring anything new or interesting to the table beyond what SoundEdit did a decade ago or so.

It doesn't offer any of the lossless recording/editing features that WireTap Studio offers, but WireTap Studio is not intended to be a dedicated audio editor either, so it can do some things that WTS cannot.

esotericaqua
Sep 14, 2007, 10:33 AM
Granted, we changed this immediately after recording it, but you could come back 3 months later and do the same thing. Never have to re-record audio again!


That is quite interesting...

I record alot of internet radio at lower quality because I just don't have the harddrive sace to record at full quality. When I record with WTS is the file size going to be similar of a full quality recording (if I want the luxury of being able to go back and make it higher quality 3 months later)?

moki
Sep 14, 2007, 10:58 AM
That is quite interesting...

I record alot of internet radio at lower quality because I just don't have the harddrive sace to record at full quality. When I record with WTS is the file size going to be similar of a full quality recording (if I want the luxury of being able to go back and make it higher quality 3 months later)?

Nope, if you *really* want to record at low quality, you can... we provide the option, but recommend against it in most cases (yours would be an exception, of course). Hard drives are cheap. :)

jimthorn
Sep 14, 2007, 11:05 AM
I've been an Audio Hijack Pro user for years now, but editing is a must and I find their Fission to be somewhat lacking. This app looks like it might be a "complete solution" and the Live Preview is definitely the icing on the cake. A couple of questions though:

Storing all that uncompressed audio must eat up HD space, right? I record a lot of audio -- not songs, but more like hour-long radio shows and such.

Does this app require any hacks (or "haxies") to the OS? Audio Hijack Pro can function without haxies (APE) as long as you let it launch the app for you. With APE installed it can hijack the audio from any already running app. I hate hacks to the OS that might break something (either the OS or the audio app), so I use Audio Hijack Pro without APE.

moki
Sep 14, 2007, 11:34 AM
Storing all that uncompressed audio must eat up HD space, right? I record a lot of audio -- not songs, but more like hour-long radio shows and such.

It's actually not uncompressed, but it is losslessly compressed, so it doesn't use up as much hard drive space as you might think... and hard drive space is only getting cheaper and bigger. For things like radio shows (which you'd generally record via a scheduled session), you can just turn it off if you like.

Does this app require any hacks (or "haxies") to the OS? Audio Hijack Pro can function without haxies (APE) as long as you let it launch the app for you. With APE installed it can hijack the audio from any already running app. I hate hacks to the OS that might break something (either the OS or the audio app), so I use Audio Hijack Pro without APE.

No, it does not use APE or any Haxies to operate, and you can record applications that are already running without needing to launch them from application as you need to with AHP (unless you install the APE variant of it).

jimthorn
Sep 14, 2007, 11:48 AM
No, it does not use APE or any Haxies to operate, and you can record applications that are already running without needing to launch them from application as you need to with AHP (unless you install the APE variant of it).

OK, I'm sold now. I hope it comes out soon.

Need a beta tester? :)

gloop
Sep 14, 2007, 11:48 AM
Wow... when i first clicked i was hesitant and figured it'd be some ultra-professional software i'd never have a use for... but you weren't kidding at the LivePreview feature... that's one of the best things i've ever seen... you've sold me for sure... great job

YuckAndMuck
Sep 14, 2007, 12:55 PM
How will WT Studio handle timers? Are they tied to iCal (I thought they were for WTP, but not sure)? I've used AHP and the timers are built-in, which is handy for my usage - I don't want to clutter iCal with recording-related stuff.

Also, AHP can record audio from multiple apps simultaneously while keeping the recordings distinct (i.e. no merging of audio). This is key for me, as I have timers kicking off recordings from different audio apps that occur at the same time. This review (http://www.surfbits.com/?p=1213) seemed to indicate that WTP had problems keeping audio from different apps separate in recordings. Is this still the case (heck, was it ever the case?)? If so, will WT Studio address this?

Thanks for the info!

Darkroom
Sep 14, 2007, 03:31 PM
Audio HiJack Pro owns!!

moki
Sep 14, 2007, 04:47 PM
How will WT Studio handle timers? Are they tied to iCal (I thought they were for WTP, but not sure)? I've used AHP and the timers are built-in, which is handy for my usage - I don't want to clutter iCal with recording-related stuff.

WireTap Studio doesn't depend on iCal (as WireTap Pro did), but it does allow you to export the scheduled recordings to iCal if you desire.

Also, AHP can record audio from multiple apps simultaneously while keeping the recordings distinct (i.e. no merging of audio). This is key for me, as I have timers kicking off recordings from different audio apps that occur at the same time. This review (http://www.surfbits.com/?p=1213) seemed to indicate that WTP had problems keeping audio from different apps separate in recordings.

WireTap Studio can do exactly what you want, it can record from multiple applications simultaneously, whilst keeping the audio streams separate.

Audio HiJack Pro owns!!

I think after you try WireTap Studio, you will be pleasantly surprised. :)

QuarterSwede
Sep 14, 2007, 07:51 PM
Well, as a quick example, you can't do anything like this (http://people.ambrosiasw.com/~andrew/work/wts_changeyourmind.mov) with AHP/Fission. :)

Notice what's going on... we're previewing audio from iTunes (this is our LivePreview technology we've filed patents on), hearing what it sounds like compressed before it's ever recorded, then changing the compression on the fly (we could even change the compressor, from AAC to mp3 if we wanted to), adding a few effects on the fly, and then recording it at a very low quality.

Then we decide "Crap, those effects sound bad, and we really need it to sound better than the quality we recorded it at." So in the editor, we just turn off the effects we recorded with, and then boost up the quality. And there it is.

Granted, we changed this immediately after recording it, but you could come back 3 months later and do the same thing. Never have to re-record audio again!

Some other things you can do in WireTap Studio (that you cannot do with the Audio Hijack/Fission combo) that might interest you: crop losslessly (http://people.ambrosiasw.com/~andrew/work/wts/wts_lossless_cropping.mov) -- normalize in realtime (http://people.ambrosiasw.com/~andrew/work/wts/wts_realtime_normalization.mov) -- play with the format/compressor on the fly (http://people.ambrosiasw.com/~andrew/work/wts/wts_realtime_formatchange.mov) -- losslessly delete audio (http://people.ambrosiasw.com/~andrew/work/wts/wts_deleting_audio.mov) -- losslessly silence audio (http://people.ambrosiasw.com/~andrew/work/wts/wts_silencing_audio.mov) -- and of course the LivePreview feature is pretty cool. (http://people.ambrosiasw.com/~andrew/work/wts/wts_livepreview.mov)

And yes, there's more... just a taste. :)
Absolutely fantastic piece of software. I love the use of Core Audio. All this really is is non destructive editing (read Logic, etc) for the consumer. Beautifully done. I love the live preview feature. I really think you just upped the ante for even the more expensive audio apps.

KingYaba
Sep 14, 2007, 10:09 PM
This sounds like an application I have been looking for. I will buy.

Lara F
Sep 15, 2007, 12:47 AM
WTP has long been one of my fave and indispensable Mac programs - I must have made hundreds of recordings off MySpace (for unreleased songs) and radio broadcasts over the last two years. Now that the new studio version can record multiple streams simultaneously, I'll likely stick with it exclusively. And the LivePreview feature looks awesome, worth the upgrade $ by itself. Looking forward to the release! :)

Someone mentioned earlier wanting to capture video - is there *any* real Mac substitute to WMRecorder (http://wmrecorder.com)? SnapzPro's not what I'm looking for, what I want is a program that'll instantly recognize that a streaming video is playing online and start to download/capture it. It's seriously almost the only thing I use Windows for...

christophertin
Sep 15, 2007, 03:13 PM
I'm probably be buying this when it becomes available. I downloaded WireTap Pro to test, and used it to record audio from a recording session yesterday, and it was great. However, my one beef with it is it doesn't seem to support third party audio hardware, like the MOTU 2408mk3. Hopefully this version will--if so, sign me up.

AJsAWiz
Sep 16, 2007, 04:13 PM
Not in an unbiased manner, I can't. Best bet would be for you to have a look at some of the videos (http://forums.macrumors.com/showpost.php?p=4178637&postcount=18) that I've posted, or give WireTap Studio a try out when it's released.

That said, my personal opinion is that SoundStudio is very much a new version of programs like SoundEdit16 (which came out many years ago). Which is not necessarily a bad thing... It's an okay editor, but doesn't really bring anything new or interesting to the table beyond what SoundEdit did a decade ago or so.

It doesn't offer any of the lossless recording/editing features that WireTap Studio offers, but WireTap Studio is not intended to be a dedicated audio editor either, so it can do some things that WTS cannot.

Will there be an upgrade offer for Wire Tap Pro owners? ;)

arn
Sep 16, 2007, 08:35 PM
Will there be an upgrade offer for Wire Tap Pro owners? ;)

Yes, this was mentioned in the article itself and in the comments.

arn

jimthorn
Sep 17, 2007, 04:57 PM
Has Ambrosia announced a release date yet? Even an approximate one?

moki
Sep 18, 2007, 02:27 PM
Has Ambrosia announced a release date yet? Even an approximate one?

As per the article... "this month" :) Fingers crossed...

AJsAWiz
Sep 19, 2007, 10:23 AM
As per the article... "this month" :) Fingers crossed...

Sounds great! I can't wait :D

mistersquid
Sep 20, 2007, 05:51 AM
Well, as a quick example, you can't do anything like this (http://people.ambrosiasw.com/~andrew/work/wts_changeyourmind.mov) with AHP/Fission. :)

[...........]

And yes, there's more... just a taste. :)

The demo movies are fancy and have interested me in the WireTap Studio (even with my licenses to WireTap Pro and Audio Hijack Pro and Fission).

In one of your clips, you show previewing from a snippet of _Deliverance_. Is this a QT movie and are the effects piped through QT player or can WTS do QT clips?

As a comment, what you are demoing with the video snippet might give Ambrosia a sense of an entirely different market. Audio editing in FCP is doable but painful. If WTS existed as a FCP plug-in for the audio layer, Ambrosia might see an entirely new market open up.

Of course, such a plug-in would easily compete at, say, a $500 (US) price tag but that would mean folks like me would buy the standalone and import into FCP.

I know this may be premature, but what do you imagine pricing will be like, including upgrade/crossgrade pricing?

Given the apparent quality of WTS, I have renewed confidence in Ambrosia.

vanity
Sep 20, 2007, 09:10 AM
Sorry to be a bit negative as well. It would have made a better impression to announce this on your own website instead Mac Rumors. And not to readily go along with other people's comparasion to Audio Hijack. Also, both times I tried WireTap it either crashed within seconds (yesterday) or even took down the entire system (a year or so ago). So here goes:

I only see Ambrosia touting the new editing features. Great, so make an audio editor that blows Fission out the water. I don't like it anyway.
But ditch the recording part, which still relies on a kext and is therefore less user friendly than Audio Hijack.

Oh, and make the interface less grey/more standard (please don't tell me this is Leopard). It looks easy to use but real ugly. I think the last time I saw screws on screen was some DOS mod tracker...

vanity
Sep 20, 2007, 09:20 AM
It's actually not uncompressed, but it is losslessly compressed,

If this is ALAC, and can't you can't set it to AIFF, I'll have to stay clear of the application. The usual container for it relies on index tables that are written on closing the file, so the whole recording will become unusable if WireTap crashes before finishing. I've been bitten by this using Nicecast and won't take that risk again.

http://justool.blogspot.com/2007/01/contain-your-losses.html

sjk
Sep 20, 2007, 03:23 PM
Will WTS be able to split streams automatically by song like streamripper apps?

moki
Sep 20, 2007, 04:00 PM
Sorry to be a bit negative as well. It would have made a better impression to announce this on your own website instead Mac Rumors. And not to readily go along with other people's comparasion to Audio Hijack. Also, both times I tried WireTap it either crashed within seconds (yesterday) or even took down the entire system (a year or so ago). So here goes:

Please send me your crash logs -- I'm very surprised to hear you say that you've had WireTap Pro crash on you, we haven't seen crash reports from users in a very long time.

I only see Ambrosia touting the new editing features. Great, so make an audio editor that blows Fission out the water. I don't like it anyway.
But ditch the recording part, which still relies on a kext and is therefore less user friendly than Audio Hijack.

User-friendliness is one of the reasons why people generally seem to like our products. I'm not sure how you think using Apple-documented and sanctioned APIs is less "user friendly" than sub-launching apps with hacked CoreAudio frameworks or patching applications with APE?

Oh, and make the interface less grey/more standard (please don't tell me this is Leopard). It looks easy to use but real ugly. I think the last time I saw screws on screen was some DOS mod tracker...

You mean like all of the other audio programs out there that use standard interfaces, right? :)

Seriously, try WireTap Studio when it is released. I think you will be pleasantly surprised.

moki
Sep 20, 2007, 04:01 PM
--snip--

vanity
Sep 21, 2007, 06:49 AM
> Please send me your crash logs

Can't find one in CrashReporter/

>I'm not sure how you think using Apple-documented and sanctioned APIs is less "user friendly" than sub-launching apps with hacked CoreAudio frameworks or patching applications with APE?

The friendly part refers to installation and the fact that I see no reason to take into the kernel what can be done in user space. No idea how bad of a hack Audio Hijack is, though.

> You mean like all of the other audio programs out there that use standard interfaces, right? :)

I don't use that many. Just register a "no" vote, maybe everyone else will like it.

> Seriously, try WireTap Studio when it is released. I think you will be pleasantly surprised.

Can't wait.

Please adress my ALAC concern until then, it really ate an important recording.

Doctor Q
Oct 11, 2007, 07:38 PM
Ambrosia releases WireTap Studio (http://www.macworld.com/news/2007/10/11/wiretap/)

moki
Oct 11, 2007, 07:51 PM
Ambrosia releases WireTap Studio (http://www.macworld.com/news/2007/10/11/wiretap/)

Indeed we did! Download it, try it, let us know what you think! :)