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MacRumors
Sep 19, 2007, 01:03 PM
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Gizmodo points out (http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/apple/iphone-gps-hack-works-301459.php) a new 3rd party application that has appeared on Installer.app (http://iphone.nullriver.com/beta/).


http://images.macrumors.com/article/2007/09/19/gpsunknown_500.png


Navizon uses cell phone towers to pinpoint your location (within a few hundred yards) and is able to push those coordinates to the Google Maps application.

The result? Free GPS(ish) functionality on the iPhone.

Article Link (http://www.macrumors.com/iphone/2007/09/19/gps-sorta-on-iphone/)



aerospace
Sep 19, 2007, 01:04 PM
i hope they get it working well, that would be awesome :)

JC4
Sep 19, 2007, 01:05 PM
I like it! Beats the hell out of typing in the current location.

JohnC

Dagless
Sep 19, 2007, 01:10 PM
I don't have an iPhone, but whoa :eek:

lampcov
Sep 19, 2007, 01:12 PM
Sitting in my house, looks like the massive cell tower outside my window isn't "Known" yet since it can't locate me....bummer.

chr1s60
Sep 19, 2007, 01:13 PM
This is awesome. It is apps like this that are going to make me end up hacking my phone. I hope Apple sees that this is a possibility and creates something like this.

dr_lha
Sep 19, 2007, 01:13 PM
I just installed this, but all I get when running it is the message: "Your location could not be identified. No known Cells or WiFi nodes in range".

I'm in a fairly highly populated suburb of LA right now, so nowhere obscure. I guess their coverage isn't 100%

mikeinternet
Sep 19, 2007, 01:14 PM
I installed Navizon this morning. I registered (quick and easy).

But, haven't been able to get it to work. I keep getting "Unable to Locate - Your location could not be identified. No known Cells or WiFi nodes in range."

I was on WiFi and had good service. I get lost a lot, I could really use this.

Edit : (Guess I'm not the only one.)

poppe
Sep 19, 2007, 01:19 PM
Can't locate me... damn it... I am using WiFi and Cell...

JRBTempe
Sep 19, 2007, 01:26 PM
I got this thing working as soon as I read the post on Gizmodo a few hours ago, but when I hit "Locate" it thinks I'm in North Hollywood, California! Strangely, it would have been accurate a year and a half ago when I actually lived there... no idea how it found that location instead of Uniontown, Ohio where I actually am right now! :eek:

squirrellydw
Sep 19, 2007, 01:26 PM
Just release a dam GPS app already. Team up with Garmin or TOMTOM, this is the only thing stopping me from getting an iPhone

Subiklim
Sep 19, 2007, 01:26 PM
It won't get my location from my office (full signal) but when I step outside, it gets it right away, right down to the cross street.

Flowbee
Sep 19, 2007, 01:30 PM
Works great for me. The little push-pin landed right outside my front door.

Clive At Five
Sep 19, 2007, 01:40 PM
Wow, whoever did this beat even Geohot to the punch. Granted he did say he was going to spend less time on the iPhone and more time on college.

His GSM project Blog (http://opengsm.blogspot.com/). Not much progress yet.

-Clive

Spanky Deluxe
Sep 19, 2007, 01:42 PM
It would need to have signal to more than one tower for it to be able to triangulate. Maybe its not working for some of you folk because you're not connected to enough towers. Just a theory mind you!! Or maybe the tower's locations have to be manually programmed into the software. ??

neven
Sep 19, 2007, 01:45 PM
After about two minutes of searching, it found nothing.

I live minutes from downtown Portland, OR.

MacsRgr8
Sep 19, 2007, 01:48 PM
UPDATED: Doesn't work in Europe[navizon via installer.app]
Bummer :(

Would LOVE to see real GPS on this cutie.

EDIT:
IT DOES WORK IN THE NETHERLANDS!!

Speedracer04
Sep 19, 2007, 01:51 PM
lol people, there are obviously bugs...its a first release. Give it an update or two and Im sure they will have it working good.

Sheesh :rolleyes:


PS. I get the same "unable to locate" error too.

Keep in mind that the user name/pw are case sensitive.

g.c.
Sep 19, 2007, 02:04 PM
lol people, there are obviously bugs...its a first release. Give it an update or two and Im sure they will have it working good.

Sheesh :rolleyes:


PS. I get the same "unable to locate" error too.

Keep in mind that the user name/pw are case sensitive.

Exactly what I thought. I just found it while being bored and looking through installer.app. It's a great app (if and when it works).

charlestrippy
Sep 19, 2007, 02:06 PM
this may be a dumb question - but does the installer.app and this gps thing work for the ipod touch or are they still working on hacks for that since it's still new. just curious..

theskunk
Sep 19, 2007, 02:06 PM
Appears to not work in Raleigh, NC...

Anybody know how to get on the team with navizon to contribute locations of towers?....

furthermore, how do you determine where a tower is for your company?!

sportlouis
Sep 19, 2007, 02:08 PM
im at the university of colorado-boulder and it doesnt work

OCOTILLO
Sep 19, 2007, 02:11 PM
This is helpful and there is no reason that Apple couldn't update the iPhone to add this feature (if they wanted to). I would prefer they open up the bluetooth function to permit the use of the small bluetooth receivers that are available. With an accurate "you are here" locater in Google Maps you would have a really useful simple GPS. Turn by turn voice directions are nice, but not really necessary.

appleguru1
Sep 19, 2007, 02:13 PM
Seems to work very well here... (Colorado Springs, CO)

FWIW, this will get better as time goes on.. the Navizon software uses a database of cellphone towers and WiFi bases that have been submitted via users with GPS units... So if no one has 'logged' your area yet, you're not going to get any results ;)

If you have a GPS and navizon capable device (See navizon.com for details...) you can help out and get paid for it too!

MacMan33
Sep 19, 2007, 02:18 PM
same error message here. I have just updated my area for coverage on there site, so i will see if this makes a difference. hope they fix this soon.:apple:

poppe
Sep 19, 2007, 02:20 PM
Seems to work very well here... (Colorado Springs, CO)

FWIW, this will get better as time goes on.. the Navizon software uses a database of cellphone towers and WiFi bases that have been submitted via users with GPS units... So if no one has 'logged' your area yet, you're not going to get any results ;)

If you have a GPS and navizon capable device (See navizon.com for details...) you can help out and get paid for it too!

Man I want to do this!

hard-case
Sep 19, 2007, 02:25 PM
Maybe next time. I can understand not being able to locate, but hard locking the phone when it pops up the 'cannot locate' message.......

oxeneers
Sep 19, 2007, 02:26 PM
Being at school nearby Apple HQ, there's still a NOGO on being able to locate.

The Stig
Sep 19, 2007, 02:53 PM
I got this thing working as soon as I read the post on Gizmodo a few hours ago, but when I hit "Locate" it thinks I'm in North Hollywood, California! Strangely, it would have been accurate a year and a half ago when I actually lived there... no idea how it found that location instead of Uniontown, Ohio where I actually am right now! :eek:

OH MY!!! WOW!!! THAT PROGRAM CAN SEE IN THE PAST!!!!

;)

The Stig

QCassidy352
Sep 19, 2007, 02:53 PM
Cool in theory, less good in practice. Although even if it worked as intended, I wouldn't say that "within a few hundred yards" is GPS quality.

pederg
Sep 19, 2007, 03:04 PM
this may be a dumb question - but does the installer.app and this gps thing work for the ipod touch or are they still working on hacks for that since it's still new. just curious..


Installer.app does not work on the touch firstly because the touch hasn't been able to be jailbroken yet and secondly, who knows if it will be able to run the same way on the touch. This program will probably not work on the touch since it can't pinpoint cellular towers without cellular hardware... unless it can pinpoint via WiFi since it says something about wifi in the app??

MacMan33
Sep 19, 2007, 03:08 PM
seems to identify my location however the directions to and from do not work, or at least for me. anyone else have this issue with the directions area of the program? thanks

moo083
Sep 19, 2007, 03:09 PM
I just tried it out. My workplace is in North Hollywood, CA and moved from Westwood area a year or so ago. I tried it out while connected to WiFi and it pinpointed my location to Westwood at the exact location we used to be at.

When I turned off WiFi and tried again, it couldn't identify the Cell Site I was connected to.

Oh well. Maybe it'll get better.

indianboy010
Sep 19, 2007, 03:25 PM
this may be a dumb? but does this use edge or just wifi, cuase i have an unlocked iphone but no data plan
thx

rcramer
Sep 19, 2007, 03:30 PM
I cannot enter the username only the password? Strange. Anone else has this issue?

/dev/toaster
Sep 19, 2007, 03:33 PM
Hmmm, I am trying to install it and it keeps saying "Package file size mismatch"

shareef777
Sep 19, 2007, 03:34 PM
I'm getting a "Package file size mismatch!" error when I try to install the app.

MeekB2G
Sep 19, 2007, 03:44 PM
I too get the "Package File Size Mismatch"....maybe it will work for me later...:(

carfac
Sep 19, 2007, 03:47 PM
Works pretty sweet for me. I am in Utah. It got the N/S right on, but was off 1/4 mile W/E.

I like the traffic report that is right there, too. I guess that is part of Google Maps, but I had not had occasion to see that yet.

jsw
Sep 19, 2007, 03:49 PM
this may be a dumb? but does this use edge or just wifi, cuase i have an unlocked iphone but no data plan
thx
It uses cell tower data, so it won't work with WiFi unless someone has entered location info for the WiFi source. But... the site is updateable, so, in theory, it supports it.

Altimeter88
Sep 19, 2007, 04:00 PM
I too get the "Package File Size Mismatch"....maybe it will work for me later...:(

Same error as above that you guys are getting. I didn't even know about this installer.app, it is pretty cool though.

Also have there been firmware updates that cause problems with this applicataion being installed since it is not official apple, like if an update comes out via itunes should I check the forums to see if there are problems or do things seem to be ok with this.

poppe
Sep 19, 2007, 04:02 PM
I installed it once, but unistalled it to get something working, but now i am getting that error...

salvatore
Sep 19, 2007, 04:05 PM
Same error as above that you guys are getting. I didn't even know about this installer.app, it is pretty cool though.

Also have there been firmware updates that cause problems with this applicataion being installed since it is not official apple, like if an update comes out via itunes should I check the forums to see if there are problems or do things seem to be ok with this.Me too. Its on version 1.0.1, which hopefully means they're working on updates pretty rapidly. Perhaps 1.0.2 will address the package size.

I said package.

patrickvanzandt
Sep 19, 2007, 04:11 PM
And me. Looks like they forgot to update the file size when releasing 1.0.1. Hopefully it will be fixed soon!

EDIT: It works now!

BTP
Sep 19, 2007, 04:14 PM
I haven't had nearly as many problems as you all. Maybe my experience might help?

When I signed up with Navizon, I selected "both" (WiFi and Phone) from the drop down menu. Then I checked my location. It was close, but off by a half mile. My iPhone wasn't even connected WiFi at the time, so I went back to my Navizon and changed to Phone (excluding WiFi). I tried again and perfect. Spot on. I don't pretend to know why it was off before or even if what I did helped.

I have been around LA today and it worked all but once. The one time it didn't, I got the 'location not identified' message. And once it froze and I had to reboot.

It looks like it is going to be updated, due to the file mismatch. I have seen that several times when updating on Installer.app. Once they fix that issue, the update installs. HTH. YMMV.

They fixed the file size and Navizon is now 1.0.1

unsunder
Sep 19, 2007, 04:17 PM
And me. Looks like they forgot to update the file size when releasing 1.0.1. Hopefully it will be fixed soon!

It's now fixed.

MacsRgr8
Sep 19, 2007, 04:17 PM
Seems to be working now! :cool::)
EDIT:.. but it seems I have moved a couple of miles...

/dev/toaster
Sep 19, 2007, 04:19 PM
Looks like its fixed, I was just able to install it.

zombitronic
Sep 19, 2007, 04:19 PM
http://images.macrumors.com/article/2007/09/19/gpsunknown_500.png


Does it take 7 minutes?

Altimeter88
Sep 19, 2007, 04:20 PM
I downloaded the actual Navizon.app from their website, is there anyway to get that onto the phone easily or is it best to wait until the filesize mismatch is fixed?

nep61
Sep 19, 2007, 04:20 PM
Just release a dam GPS app already. Team up with Garmin or TOMTOM, this is the only thing stopping me from getting an iPhone


I've held off getting the iPhone as well... still using the Treo650 with TomTom Nav system... which works GREAT... I've taken it to LA, Atlanta, GA Orlando, FL, Newark, DE, Southern New Jersey, Myrtle Beach, SC and Philadelphia, PA...and TomTom has been DEAD on accurate in getting me where I have to go.... Let's go APPLE, make a little deal with the TomTom people, and everyone will be on the road to iPhone Bliss !!! (pun intended):)

alexbo
Sep 19, 2007, 04:22 PM
I installed it without any problems, then when I hit the Log In button my iPhone hard locked. That is the first time that happened to me, and I didn't like it. I won't be using this program until a few more updates come out, and threads like this start having a greater number of people reporting success!

Oh, and what are you guys referring to a GPS app for? You can't make a GPS reciever out of software alone, and my understanding was that the iPhone simple did not have the hardware for it yet. Are you hoping you will be able to buy a separate GPS device to work with your iPhone?

Aperture
Sep 19, 2007, 04:28 PM
I downloaded the actual Navizon.app from their website, is there anyway to get that onto the phone easily or is it best to wait until the filesize mismatch is fixed?

I'd wait. Try again, though, and make sure to have Installer.app update the sources. It will alert you to any updates.

Also, I got it on my iPhone and set my location online. I am still getting the error saying it has no data for me. :(

BTP
Sep 19, 2007, 04:29 PM
Ok, 1.0.1 installed and running.

It just loaded and found me in about 12 seconds. A *lot* faster than before. I tried it 3 more times and the longest was about 22 seconds, still much faster. Of course, this is not scientific in any way. Anyone else seeing this?

The only other thing I noticed was very minor, when searching it now says "Navizon Is Locating You. Please Wait..."

Last, I have been trying again and again while I am stationary, and I got the error message. I simply tried again and it worked.

Has anyone had success getting the mapping to work? Everything looks good, but when I click "get directions from here" and enter my destination, it has no point of origin and doesn't work. More work for the next update or am I missing something?

ben5959
Sep 19, 2007, 04:35 PM
It would need to have signal to more than one tower for it to be able to triangulate. Maybe its not working for some of you folk because you're not connected to enough towers. Just a theory mind you!! Or maybe the tower's locations have to be manually programmed into the software. ??

reminds me of that episode of Lost, they could have made it off that island if they had a hacked iphone with this app

Llewellyn
Sep 19, 2007, 04:35 PM
Hi, don't know if its been mentioned, but I believe this is the same method used by 911 services to find cell phone users in an emergency. Its great because it doesn't have problems with large buildings like conventional GPS.

LoneWolf121188
Sep 19, 2007, 04:39 PM
Hey guys, don't know if you saw this yet, but...
This application will be fully functional for 15 days. If you like it, you can purchase it for $24.99. But for those of you who of you who may wonder what this money is used for, it isn't going in our pocket. It is used to pay the ones who do the hard work of collecting the data without whom this service wouldn't be possible. So by purchasing the software you are helping them make the service better. All of this is explained here.

aerospace
Sep 19, 2007, 04:40 PM
something tells me 911 needs to be more accurate than 1/2 mile.


...theres someone dieing in the surrounding 1/2 mile radius, OMG! :rolleyes:

dodonutter
Sep 19, 2007, 04:46 PM
Ok does anyone actually know how GPS and cell tower locating works?! Someone quite accurately pointed out that you need the GPS hardware to actually do the locating its not just software. you need to be able to see the satellites (at least 4) to get a position and it isn't an instant on/instant off procedure, the device needs to be tracking these satellites for a while to get a decent fix and every now and again has to download the almanac of all the satellites positions and directions so it can figure out where it is. If you want any decent update speed you need to do a crap load of maths very quickly meaning a powerful (relative) processor and it eats battery.

The cell tower tracking thing is done by seeing which cell you are on and what the delay is from it. if its a tricell you have a 120 degree arc which your in and the delay gives you your distance to the cell and usually the program just decides your bang in the middle. also cell phones talk to one tower at a time unless they are handing over which is a very quick process. I thing the thing where you upload info to the website is about the location of wifi networks which is why the location showed where someone use to live. the cell tower stuff should be done through the network providers servers unless they aren't co-operating and the cell tower ids have to be uploaded too.


Thought i'd clear that up for some people....GPS isn't magic

Sorry if anyone wants to shout at me but im tired and hungry so i'll apologise when i read this tomorrow

dodonutter
Sep 19, 2007, 04:49 PM
Hi, don't know if its been mentioned, but I believe this is the same method used by 911 services to find cell phone users in an emergency. Its great because it doesn't have problems with large buildings like conventional GPS.

Also cos most people don't have GPS devices on them but are usually calling from a cell phone so knowing the rough location is very helpful. all they need to do after that is ask for something simple like road names or landmarks etc.

RAC use it in the UK to find broken down cars

bigandy
Sep 19, 2007, 05:16 PM
Now someone write an app to interface a Bluetooth GPS unit with Google Maps on the iPhone and I'll be snapping the damn phone up when it comes here on the 9th nov :)

rcramer
Sep 19, 2007, 05:40 PM
I am unable to type in My username only the password.

gazmac
Sep 19, 2007, 05:41 PM
It works but locates me a few miles north of where I actually am, which is Tottenham, north London in the UK. Will have fun testing out tomorrow on the way to work on the train.

jpturner
Sep 19, 2007, 05:43 PM
Says I am in Chandigarh India! I am in Merced California. My guess if it can't triangulate cell towers, it looks for a wi-fi hotspot name that matches a known location. Someone in India and Merced thinking alike!

appleguru1
Sep 19, 2007, 05:48 PM
Says I am in Chandigarh India! I am in Merced California. My guess if it can't triangulate cell towers, it looks for a wi-fi hotspot name that matches a known location. Someone in India and Merced thinking alike!

I'm fairly certain it uses MAC addresses for the wifi part and not SSIDs... Otherwise there'd be a million hits for "linksys" and "default" all over the world :P

In any case, when it works it seems to work very well...

I'd like it if it gave an "accuracy" report (IE, where it got the location from (cell, wifi, etc), and how many data points it used to do it (IE, a location based on 3 wifi signals and 5 cell towers will be much more accurate based on one from 2 towers... etc)

And it'd also be nice if Google Maps played nice with lat/long coordinates for directions :'(

bb0ys
Sep 19, 2007, 05:57 PM
I'm in Boston and it gave me a location within ~5 seconds. It put the google map's pin about 200 feet away from my house.

runplaysleeprun
Sep 19, 2007, 06:31 PM
Works for me via wifi in Chicago, not over cell network though.

What worries me is, someone has, at one point or another, driven by my house, recorded both my wireless network info and my location, and uploaded said info to this database. is that how i'm understanding this to work?

FreeState
Sep 19, 2007, 06:50 PM
I'm in San Diego (downtown area) and get the "Your location could not be identified..." I'm inside - Ill have to try it outside... no luck outside either...

yagrax
Sep 19, 2007, 07:00 PM
Getting file size mismatch on nearly every new update of other packages (NES, etc) also in the last day or two when using the installer.app on iPhone.

I don't think it's a Navizon thing...


I turned off/on my iPhone and reran installer, and now it's working.



By the way, Navizon doesn't work for me in Southeastern Denver...

dfbills
Sep 19, 2007, 08:15 PM
Navizon displayed my location within 30 feet of accuracy in NYC. wow.

linshiwen
Sep 19, 2007, 08:21 PM
Even after setting the "home area" for my account, it says Im in Miami (Im in New York)

/uninstall

itsallinurhead
Sep 19, 2007, 09:29 PM
Mine keeps saying

No connection to server

Could not contact the navizon server. please check internet connection.


Why won't this go out over edge?

dicklacara
Sep 19, 2007, 09:53 PM
I am in Antioch, CA. about 30 miles East of SF. No lock at all at home WiFi or near the house EDGE.

But had to go to soccer practice about 6 miles towards (downtown?) Antioch.

It began working about 1/2 mile from the house with accuracy of about 300 yds.

Could not get "Directions" to work...

Looks promising, tho!

AppleIntelRock
Sep 19, 2007, 09:58 PM
now teh George Bush™ can locate me! :eek::eek::eek:

better switch to tMobile!

mdwsta4
Sep 19, 2007, 10:06 PM
would there be a reason this app won't load onto my iphone? or any app from installer app for that matter anymore.
haven'd updated to the 7.4.1 and am still on 1.02 for the iphone.
whenever i try to install apps i receive 'error during install script execution!'
WTF?!

i've had installer app on my phone for a while and have never run into this problem. tried shutting down the phone and that didn't do anything. will i need to restore and reinstall the program? that's such a PITA because you have to redo all your ringtones and whatnot for contacts, bookmarks, sms, wi-fi, etc.

Anonymous Freak
Sep 19, 2007, 10:58 PM
Okay, as has been mentioned, this is *NOT* "GPS", which stands for "Global Positioning System", a 'constellation' of satellites orbiting the earth that just broadcast a time beacon. *THIS* is "Cell triangulation" or "WiFi approximation". Cell triangulation works on a similar principle to GPS, only using nearby cell towers whose physical locations are known. WiFi approximation is simply mapping out WiFi access points on a map, and if you're connected to an access point whose location is known, you're probably within 200 feet of that AP.

Navizon has a user-created database of cell towers and WiFi access points. The company isn't doing squat, as far as I can tell, it's all user generated. So if no users are in your area yet, there will be no data.

For example, the city of Portland, Oregon has a new public WiFi network going in whose AP locations are well documented, it should be theoretically possible to enter all those AP locations into Navizon's database, and as long as you're within the coverage of Portland's WiFi network, you should get a reasonably accurate location. Cell towers are harder, because someone has to manually enter those into a database using more obscure info than WiFi APs. (Navizon's database add interface has been down all day, so I can't find out, but I'm assuming that adding a WiFi access point should be as simple as "The internet connection I'm connected with is located *here*.")

gkarris
Sep 20, 2007, 10:18 AM
Cool. But at home it was a good 100 yards off. Also, looks like it talks back to a server on the 'net so it doesn't work for me on the road (I only have voice).

cliffjumper68
Sep 20, 2007, 10:28 AM
I like it! Beats the hell out of typing in the current location.

JohnC

Does anyone know how well it works?

beedyb220
Sep 20, 2007, 10:56 AM
Seems to work very well here... (Colorado Springs, CO)

FWIW, this will get better as time goes on.. the Navizon software uses a database of cellphone towers and WiFi bases that have been submitted via users with GPS units... So if no one has 'logged' your area yet, you're not going to get any results ;)

If you have a GPS and navizon capable device (See navizon.com for details...) you can help out and get paid for it too!

I also live in Colorado Springs and I'm having trouble finding WiFi and Cell Towers. Is there anything special you are doing?

ChrisA
Sep 20, 2007, 10:57 AM
It won't get my location from my office (full signal) but when I step outside, it gets it right away, right down to the cross street.

It needs information from multiple cell towers to locate you. Your signal strenght meter only shows the strength from the closest tower. Going outside must have let your phone "see" two more towers

Those who can't get this to work may live in a network that does not have you in view of three towers all the time. Such networks can work fine for voice and data but not for location. I thought the cell companies where required to fix this so 911 calls could be located. Looks like this applxcation is taking advantage of this mandated location feature.

GTiPhone
Sep 20, 2007, 11:09 AM
Too bad this doesn't work worth a crap..

AppleSJ511606
Sep 20, 2007, 11:11 AM
Does it take 7 minutes?

If you look carefully enough you'll notice that the guy had MORE than enough to to turn off his bluetooth and set an alarm :)

Gravity
Sep 20, 2007, 11:15 AM
I just tried it out. My workplace is in North Hollywood, CA and moved from Westwood area a year or so ago. I tried it out while connected to WiFi and it pinpointed my location to Westwood at the exact location we used to be at.

When I turned off WiFi and tried again, it couldn't identify the Cell Site I was connected to.

Oh well. Maybe it'll get better.

It probably is accessing some public record of where you live... or maybe a database of where your cellular account was once mailed to... and in the absence of being able to triangulate a signal... defaults to whatever address of yours it can find? My guess...

joeateb
Sep 20, 2007, 11:24 AM
Decided to give it a try, installed no problem, registered no problem, tryed to use, got message can't find me and also locked the phone up. Had to reset the phone. Careful with this one.

GTiPhone
Sep 20, 2007, 11:49 AM
Decided to give it a try, installed no problem, registered no problem, tryed to use, got message can't find me and also locked the phone up. Had to reset the phone. Careful with this one.


You obviously did not restart the phone after installing like you need to do for just about every software application on the planet for computers, or in this case, about 80% of 3rd party apps for iPhone.

If you install an app, and your phone crashes when u go to use it, its your own fault for not restarting in the first place like YOU ARE SUPPOSED TO.

Be careful with your own lack of common sense.

jasonnorm
Sep 20, 2007, 11:55 AM
You obviously did not restart the phone after installing like you need to do for just about every software application on the planet for computers, or in this case, about 80% of 3rd party apps for iPhone.

If you install an app, and your phone crashes when u go to use it, its your own fault for not restarting in the first place like YOU ARE SUPPOSED TO.

Be careful with your own lack of common sense.

It is ridiculous to state that you need to restart your computer for "just about every software application". Also, I do not restart my iPhone after installing a 3rd party app and I have no little to no issues.

Be carefull with your own generalizations ;)

twoodcc
Sep 20, 2007, 11:59 AM
Too bad this doesn't work worth a crap..

I can't get it to work either

IDANNY
Sep 20, 2007, 12:04 PM
It is ridiculous to state that you need to restart your computer for "just about every software application". Also, I do not restart my iPhone after installing a 3rd party app and I have no little to no issues.

Be carefull with your own generalizations ;)
That was a bit much but its better to restart after you install an app just to be safe.
I want this to work : ) it isnt for me right now in south west vegas

/dev/toaster
Sep 20, 2007, 12:22 PM
Interesting, at my office it shows me being on the bay bridge (I am near it). Its close, but really off.

However, at my house (1/2 mile down the road) its dead accurate. I even walked outside and to the next building and it showed that tiny difference.

Few cool toy, has some uses.

happydude
Sep 20, 2007, 02:32 PM
an actual GPS program would cinch the deal for me and an iphone would be in my hands the next day. 3G wouldn't hurt either . . .

flashy-cat
Sep 20, 2007, 03:30 PM
Think i'll stick to my Nokia 6110 Navigator with GPS and get an ipod touch when they come out :)

alljunks
Sep 20, 2007, 03:57 PM
hmm..not working too well...

Flyingstar
Sep 20, 2007, 09:00 PM
when I try to install Navizon I get the message "safari can not download this file" ????

forrestmc4
Sep 20, 2007, 09:01 PM
When I saw this posted while at work today the first thing I did was download and install it. Then, standing in the middle of Washington DC surrounded by wi-fi and cell towers...nothing. :(

severe
Sep 21, 2007, 08:20 PM
Installed it today. My first application installed via AppTapp. Fired it up, joined, logged in, and it nailed my location. I was home of course, so it was useless in this case.

We'll see how it goes later.

fourthtunz
Sep 23, 2007, 05:46 PM
an actual GPS program would cinch the deal for me and an iphone would be in my hands the next day. 3G wouldn't hurt either . . .

Yeah, I guess you don't own one..yet.
I haven't gotten the phone service to work for the last week On my Iphone and I still think it rocks, best ipod, do it all thing ever!
Nothing else comes close.

kemck
Sep 24, 2007, 07:30 AM
I have just traveled from my home in Austin TX, no access there...no matter where I traveled to

Seattle... no access there....

NYC... yep no access there

and some airport layovers in between... yes you are right no access at any of them.

So for me this is really not a software App but more of a concept...


so if it worked it would be very useful.. hope these knuckleheads who wrote it read some of this stuff!