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MacRumors
Sep 19, 2007, 11:14 PM
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Appleinsider compiles (http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/07/09/19/next_gen_macbook_pro_penryn_chips_revealed.html) information from Digitimes (http://www.digitimes.com/NewsShow/MailHome.asp?datePublish=2007/9/19&pages=PD&seq=211) about upcoming Penryn processors which are expected to be used in upcoming MacBook Pros. Intel detailed (http://www.macrumors.com/2007/09/18/intel-on-track-to-deliver-penryn-nehalem/) their Penryn and Nehalem processor plans earlier this week at the Intel Developer Forum.

Intel is expected to launch five 45nm dual-core notebook CPUs in January of 2008 with CPU speeds ranging from 2.1GHz up to 2.8GHz.

The new Intel mobile CPUs are expected to refresh the current Santa Rosa chipset which powers the current MacBook Pro. The MacBook Pro currently maxes out at 2.4GHz speeds.

Meanwhile, it has been previously revealed (http://www.macrumors.com/2007/09/07/the-beat-goes-on-rumor-wrapup-winners/) that new MacBook Pros are expected to be released in January 2008 which would coincide with these processor updates.


Article Link (http://www.macrumors.com/2007/09/20/january-2008-macbook-pros-with-penryn-processors/)



X5-452
Sep 19, 2007, 11:18 PM
What type of performance boost is Penryn supposed to give compared to Santa Rosa?

arn
Sep 19, 2007, 11:22 PM
What type of performance boost is Penryn supposed to give compared to Santa Rosa?

"We expect our Penryn processors to provide up to a 20 percent performance increase while improving energy efficiency," said Otellini. "Intel's breakthrough 45nm silicon process technology allows us to provide low-cost, extremely low-power processors for innovative small form factor devices while delivering high-performance, multi-core, multi-featured processors used in the most advanced systems."

rog
Sep 19, 2007, 11:25 PM
Is there some curse on 3Ghz or something? Wasn't the P4 at 4Ghz 4 years ago. CPUs seem to have smaller and smaller adavances. Take away tacking on more cores, and they have only gained about 20% a year the past few years. Sounds like this will be maybe 50% faster than the first MacBook Pro 2 years ago at best.

MarkMS
Sep 19, 2007, 11:28 PM
Looks like I will be making a FS thread within the next few months for this old MBP CD I have.

Hopefully, this will help Apple make a 12" MBP. I'm still hoping they make one soon. I really would like it, but this 15" will do just fine if it never comes out. :p

Eidorian
Sep 19, 2007, 11:29 PM
This sounds about right given the roadmap for mobile processors.

Quad Core Laptop (http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=305777)

Mobile Quad Core (http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=351838)

http://www.digitimes.com/systems/a20070919PD211.htm

http://www.bit-tech.net/news/2007/09/19/intel_unveils_montevina_next-gen_mobile_platform/1

theheadguy
Sep 19, 2007, 11:29 PM
Hmm.... not bad...

All of these processor updates are splendid, but I'd like to see some stunning innovation. Time will tell, I guess.

flopticalcube
Sep 19, 2007, 11:30 PM
So we have Santa Rosa Penryns followed 2 months later by Montevina Penryns? :confused:

mrchainsaw5757
Sep 19, 2007, 11:30 PM
Is there some curse on 3Ghz or something? Wasn't the P4 at 4Ghz 4 years ago. CPUs seem to have smaller and smaller adavances. Take away tacking on more cores, and they have only gained about 20% a year the past few years. Sounds like this will be maybe 50% faster than the first MacBook Pro 2 years ago at best.

I completely agree. Another thing, what else will it upgrade besides the faster processor? Anything drastic or just minor changes?

plumbingandtech
Sep 19, 2007, 11:31 PM
800mhz bus.

I'll pass.

Unless they make a subnotebook which would be a nice compliment for my Mac Pro.

Once the Mac Book Pros get a 1200hmz bus then I'll consider them a desktop replacement for me personally.

corywoolf
Sep 19, 2007, 11:33 PM
It doesn't seem that long ago that the MBP was updated. The last few months have flown by I guess. I hope they make as big of a cosmetic change to the MBP as they did to the iMac. Magnetic latches is almost certain. LED 17" is likely too. A new keyboard is probable as well, maybe more like the MacBooks, but with aluminum.

MacBook Pro
Recommendation: Neutral - Mid product cycle
Last Release June 05, 2007
Days Since Update 106 (Avg = 186)

Newbi
Sep 19, 2007, 11:34 PM
I sometimes wish Apple had a longer turnaround time between product releases as iv just taken delivery of a MBP and they are going to renew it already!

Oh well thats proberly why they are so far ahead of everyone else.


N

2ms
Sep 19, 2007, 11:36 PM
I just want to know how Pro the graphics are going to be. Are they going to be powerful enough to do CAD on. That'll determine whether or not I can buy. Right now no Apple laptop offers true "pro" level graphics -- basically Quadro Mobile (http://www.nvidia.com/page/quadrofx_go.html). Any Quadro would be good, even the cheapest one would be a million times better than the gamer cards.

manosaurus
Sep 19, 2007, 11:36 PM
I completely agree. Another thing, what else will it upgrade besides the faster processor? Anything drastic or just minor changes?

That's the question. I bet that the trackpad will be updated to include some kind of advanced "touch" capability/gestures (beyond the current two fingered scrolling, tap clicking etc.) like the iPhone and iPod Touch.

CalBoy
Sep 19, 2007, 11:39 PM
Is there some curse on 3Ghz or something? Wasn't the P4 at 4Ghz 4 years ago. CPUs seem to have smaller and smaller adavances. Take away tacking on more cores, and they have only gained about 20% a year the past few years. Sounds like this will be maybe 50% faster than the first MacBook Pro 2 years ago at best.

I think the main obstacle is heat. If you think about it, the current ~2GHZ chips already spew out a lot of heat; can you imagine a ~3GHZ? It also probably help energy consumption. That's my guess anyways.

tMac85
Sep 19, 2007, 11:41 PM
what is this going to do for the design of the MBP?
will they be thinner/ complete redesign?
or will the insides just change?



i hate that i just got my macbookpro a month ago
WHY APPLE WHY!





also i see that many of you mac book pros go-er's have 2.0 GHz. i got the 2.4
i know 2.4 being faster, but why so many 2.0's. price?

Eidorian
Sep 19, 2007, 11:43 PM
I predict a bad end for this thread given recent MacBook Pro purchasers, those not informed of Intel's roadmap, and those who don't know IDF is this week. :rolleyes:

flopticalcube
Sep 19, 2007, 11:47 PM
I predict a bad end for this thread given recent MacBook Pro purchasers, those not informed of Intel's roadmap, and those who don't know IDF is this week. :rolleyes:

IDF ends tomorrow, no? What about the Taiwan session in October. Anything to come from that?

Zwhaler
Sep 19, 2007, 11:48 PM
What type of performance boost is Penryn supposed to give compared to Santa Rosa?

Penryn is a CPU, Santa Rosa is a chipset. What you should be asking is: "What performance boost is Penryn supposed to give compared to the Core 2 Duos used in the Santa Rosa chipset" :)

Eidorian
Sep 19, 2007, 11:49 PM
IDF ends tomorrow, no? What about the Taiwan session in October. Anything to come from that?I expect much more refined samples of future products.

Whistleway
Sep 19, 2007, 11:49 PM
This wave of update is really not substantiative.

The next big one is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_QuickPath_Interconnect in less than one year from now.

manosaurus
Sep 19, 2007, 11:59 PM
This wave of update is really not substantiative.

And how do you know that?

bigbossbmb
Sep 19, 2007, 11:59 PM
This wave of update is really not substantiative.

The next big one is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_QuickPath_Interconnect in less than one year from now.

That's for Xeon and Itanium, not mobile processors...

People complaining about a recent purchase: If you want to know when Apple will update their pro lines, look at the Intel roadmap. It's not rocket science.

Architect4122
Sep 20, 2007, 12:00 AM
I love the design of Apple products...but lately I haven't liked the updates. I don't like the new iMacs, or the new iPod Nanos or Classics. I'm fully in love with the MBP design. If they drastically change it...I don't see me liking it too much. Besides, as far as the insides...its like any other computer now, it will be updated continuously.

tMac85
Sep 20, 2007, 12:03 AM
the insides sure ...updated constantly



as for exterior design. when will we see the next drastic change?

coreyweb
Sep 20, 2007, 12:03 AM
The thing that I don't get is why Intel releases the processors.... and then much later the new architecture. Or in other words, releases Penyrn and then releases Nehelam or whatever it was they are releasing early next year. I wish they'd just release both at the same time.

pinwanger
Sep 20, 2007, 12:09 AM
I hope they fix LED Yellowish tint problem by then and add it 17 inch...

kasei
Sep 20, 2007, 12:21 AM
It looks like it is time to replace my 4 years old PowerBook G4.

manosaurus
Sep 20, 2007, 12:25 AM
It looks like it is time to replace my 4 years old PowerBook G4.

Been waiting on the PowerBook G5, eh?



(sorry... somebody had to say it...)

MattInOz
Sep 20, 2007, 12:28 AM
I just want to know how Pro the graphics are going to be. Are they going to be powerful enough to do CAD on. That'll determine whether or not I can buy. Right now no Apple laptop offers true "pro" level graphics -- basically Quadro Mobile (http://www.nvidia.com/page/quadrofx_go.html). Any Quadro would be good, even the cheapest one would be a million times better than the gamer cards.

Ok i've seen the two main CAD programs for Mac running pretty damn well on even on older Mac Book Pro's, and Vectorworks runs pretty sweet on a kiddie's Mac Book. Other than batch rendering (which a laptop is never going to have the cooling system to handle) what do see as the issue with current crop of laptops to stop you buying one, if mobility is what you need?

SirOmega
Sep 20, 2007, 12:37 AM
One of the interesting things of the Penryn cycle is that they're also going to be offering a 25W group of chips as well as the 45W group.

What does this mean? I think it means a MacBook Thin. I'm not quite sure but it wouldn't surprise me - if I guessed it would be a 2.0GHz chip, ATI/Nvidia low end mobile (2200/8300-level performance), 60GB HDD or possibly 32GB SSD, and a 12" or 13" screen. Est price about the same as a MBP ($2200 for the HDD, $2500 for the SSD).

The MacBooks will probably get refreshed in March or April or something, the MBPs at or a month before/after the MBT.

Edit:
Did more research, 25W Penryns mobile chips should be available at 2.13,2.4 and 2.53Ghz. If I had to pick one I'd guess 2.4Ghz. Also its not available until Q2 2008 so we may not see it until May 2008.

nagromme
Sep 20, 2007, 12:37 AM
Bring back a pro model with 12" or smaller screen please. I'm ready to buy in January :)

chr1s60
Sep 20, 2007, 12:44 AM
Anyone know if this is going to come with any price boost? I am planning on buying a MacBook Pro after Leopard is released and now this has me wondering if I should wait.

JPT
Sep 20, 2007, 12:57 AM
Here we go again.... :rolleyes:

BTW
Sep 20, 2007, 01:18 AM
That's the question. I bet that the trackpad will be updated to include some kind of advanced "touch" capability/gestures (beyond the current two fingered scrolling, tap clicking etc.) like the iPhone and iPod Touch.


I'm sure the flash hard drives will be in a version of the MacBook Pro. I'd imagine LED displays for the 17" MacBook Pro too.

One wishful thing would dual cameras. One on the lid and one inside the lid (as it is now). It would be neat'o if you could iChat someone and then split screen yourself with video of your surroundings. This would make MacBook users instant reporters. YouTube would get a lot more wannabees though.

jeremyrader
Sep 20, 2007, 01:24 AM
This sounds about right given the roadmap for mobile processors.

Quad Core Laptop (http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=305777)

Mobile Quad Core (http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=351838)

http://www.digitimes.com/systems/a20070919PD211.htm

http://www.bit-tech.net/news/2007/09/19/intel_unveils_montevina_next-gen_mobile_platform/1

Where the heck is everyone geting the idea that a quad-core mobile processor is part of these recent announcements? Mobile processors being released - first with a 4MB L2 cache, then with a 6MB cache, and the "Extreme", which is clearly stated as dual-core for mobile. How about going to the source?

http://www.intel.com/products/processor/core2xe/index.htm

If anyone has an official quote from Intel saying "quad-core mobile" that applies to Penryn, please let me know. Rumors from "sources at motherboard manufacturers" is not the same.

Penryn is a CPU, Santa Rosa is a chipset. What you should be asking is: "What performance boost is Penryn supposed to give compared to the Core 2 Duos used in the Santa Rosa chipset" :)

No. Penryn is a CPU, specifically a Core 2 Duo made using 45 nm technology. Santa Rosa is a "platform", and uses the Crestline chipset. When the Penryn eventually gets paired with the Cantiga chipset, the platform will be called "Montevina"

The thing that I don't get is why Intel releases the processors.... and then much later the new architecture. Or in other words, releases Penyrn and then releases Nehelam or whatever it was they are releasing early next year. I wish they'd just release both at the same time.

It's called "tick-tock". The "tick" is a shrink of the current architecture. The "tock" is a complete redesign of the architecture. "Tick" happens one year, then "tock" the next. That keeps Intel highly competitive, offering substantial improvements each year. If you consider 2008 as "tick" with Core architecture moving from 65nm to 45nm, 2009 is "tock" with Nehalem on 45nm. Keep in mind, Intel brought a functioning 32nm processor to IDF to show off, which would be the next "tick" (2010). I'd bet that at least the next 5 generations are mapped out and being tested already.

In the 1980's, a complete product refresh every 5 years was considered acceptable, even goundbreaking. Entering the 21st century it had moved to every 2 years. Expect the pace to continue to pick up. Also expect that anything you buy today will be at least 3 generations behind by the time your Apple Care warranty expires.

Daremo
Sep 20, 2007, 01:31 AM
I was considering a new Macbook Pro. I may just have to wait until January now.

tibi08
Sep 20, 2007, 01:40 AM
To buy in October or to buy in January, that is the question. It's a toughy.

Also, why do people keep whining on about a magnetic latch on the MBP - how the hell would that work then? It's a metal case!

I doubt they will significantly change the MBP's winning design - it hasn't changed since Powerbook days, why now.

pavelbure
Sep 20, 2007, 01:47 AM
considering the recent problems people are having with the new imacs, ipods, i think getting a current gen. macbookpro would make more sense. i will probably get a refurb a little bit after leopard comes out. if it comes out in oct.

bananas
Sep 20, 2007, 01:54 AM
Is there some curse on 3Ghz or something? Wasn't the P4 at 4Ghz 4 years ago. CPUs seem to have smaller and smaller adavances. Take away tacking on more cores, and they have only gained about 20% a year the past few years. Sounds like this will be maybe 50% faster than the first MacBook Pro 2 years ago at best.

It hasn't been about the gigahertz for a long time.
This time we're getting bigger caches, lower power, SSE4 and slightly higher clock rate.

when we get a faster processor that consumes less energy, it's good enough for me.

(and btw, there will be quad core extreme version, which we might see in iMac - at least according to wikipedia)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_Core_microarchitecture#Laptops_2

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_Core_2#Penryn

bananas
Sep 20, 2007, 02:00 AM
duh, my bad. i was wrong about the mobile quad.

but there has been a lot rumors and "news" about quad-core extreme mobile processor.

http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2007/09/06/intel_schedules_quad_mobiles/

mashny
Sep 20, 2007, 02:07 AM
Apple has updated their Macbooks TWICE, their Macbook Pros TWICE, and their iMacs TWICE since they last updated their Mac Pros in August of 2006 (that 8-core Mac Pro was not a true upgrade). When are we going to see new Mac Pros?!

Just though I'd ask. Sorry about the yelling :-)

garethlewis2
Sep 20, 2007, 02:14 AM
Why?

What would you like them to update. Go for a faster FSB? They are at the fastest. Go for a processor upgrade? Easy, will happen when Intel release them. Exactly what would you like to see?

As for graphics on a MBP. You want to know what difference a proper professional OpenGL card compared to a gamer card? The difference is rendering power and not really shader performance. The game GPUs are designed to handle shader programming. NVidia and ATi haven't moved past the limit of 300 million triangles since 2003. The NVidia Quadro cores on the other hand can process more than 1000 million triangles with no slowdown. It is why they are used by professionals, e.g. car designers, product designers. These guys don't care about sub-surface scattering to make the paint job on the car they produce look realistic.

smukkebenne
Sep 20, 2007, 02:21 AM
I would kill for a 14'' MB Pro with 1440x900 resolution....

chimerical
Sep 20, 2007, 02:21 AM
Would these rumored Macbook Pros really be that much faster than the current ones? I'm trying to find reasons to continue with a purchase before January.

mike19
Sep 20, 2007, 02:48 AM
The MBPs in January will have a major case overhaul!!!!

I am certain, 9to5mac had a little clause at the end of when their summary of the ipod event on sept 5 that said MBPs in january. And i really dont think they would put it there unless there was a big update, not jsut a the Penyrn upgrade that EVERYONE KNOWS IS GOING TO HAPPEN!

anyways, thats my 2 cents

Rivix
Sep 20, 2007, 02:48 AM
crap crap crap...

I was GOING to get a Macbook Pro in October, but now I have to wait because I'm paranoid about hardware updates!

Chosenbydestiny
Sep 20, 2007, 02:55 AM
Penryn chips would definitely make the rumored "12" macbook a more reliable possibility because of the 45 nanometer process, Shrink shrink shrink!! Cool cool cool!!! Er, in terms of better heat dissipation I mean...

MHIoscar
Sep 20, 2007, 03:13 AM
crap crap crap...

I was GOING to get a Macbook Pro in October, but now I have to wait because I'm paranoid about hardware updates!



me too... but thats it... january no more waiting.. i had enough...
:apple:

andiwm2003
Sep 20, 2007, 03:28 AM
so i hope for a 15" high end macbook pro with 2.8GHz or for a full featured 13" small MBP with 2.2-2.4 GHz.

i don't care so much about santa rosa or nehalem because the minor FSB improvements won't give you more than 5% performance increase. solid state HD's are more important to me. they reduce heat, improve battery life and are faster. the GPU will be superfast anyway for the non gamers.


next january will be interesting for notebook buyers.

Welly
Sep 20, 2007, 03:31 AM
i hate that i just got my macbookpro a month ago
WHY APPLE WHY!


It's called progress. If you want to invest in a computer company that doesn't innovate/progress and build newer, faster computers, you should probably get yourself a Sinclair.

What's wrong with your 2.4 MBP that wasn't before this rumour came about? I'm not planning on upgrading my MBP (a 2.4 model) for at least another three years.

al3000
Sep 20, 2007, 04:06 AM
I was thinking of replacing my Powerbook G4 (final rev.) around now, but now I am going to wait until January. When I got my PB, apple released the MBPs just a few months after so I am hoping not to get caught out again!

Dreamer2go
Sep 20, 2007, 04:06 AM
It's called progress. If you want to invest in a computer company that doesn't innovate/progress and build newer, faster computers, you should probably get yourself a Sinclair.

What's wrong with your 2.4 MBP that wasn't before this rumour came about? I'm not planning on upgrading my MBP (a 2.4 model) for at least another three years.

Agreed to that.

you can never wait on technology.
When Santa Rosa MBP came about, I was like "that's it, I'm getting this one"
And I jumped to the boat.

Remember, when a new release comes out, the predecessor before that new release will NOT become "obsolete" immediately.

Next June, there's going to probably be ANOTHER update...whatcha going to do then? throw away your Jan refresh MBP? lol
unwise.

aswitcher
Sep 20, 2007, 04:14 AM
I would kill for a 14'' MB Pro with 1440x900 resolution....

Yeah, that would be mighty nice. Even a 12-13" screen would work well for me.

BWhaler
Sep 20, 2007, 04:21 AM
at this point, the only thing I care about for the short to mid term is high quality displays.

I don't need a faster Mac. I need a high quality display--not these cost cutting, uneven backlit pieces of sh-- Apple puts in their portable pro line nowadays.

reflex
Sep 20, 2007, 04:31 AM
I would kill for a 14'' MB Pro with 1440x900 resolution....

Why 14" when it's so close in size to a 15"?

rtjstevens
Sep 20, 2007, 04:34 AM
What effect, if any, will this announcement have on MacBook updates (i.e. not the Pro version)?

BW RTJ

cervaro
Sep 20, 2007, 04:38 AM
Makes we want to hang on beyond October now as I did before buying my iMac 24" that came out a couple months after I'd originally decided to buy. For the sake of another 4 months, I'm prepared to wait. Probably kick myself if nothing comes of the rumours, and I'll have to slum it with a C2D media PC in the meantime, but just as the iMac was worth waiting for, I'm sure any new MacBook Pro's will be too. Give Apple more time to 'field test' Leopard for bugs too! ;)

Hoping they stick in a mobile version of the Radeon 2600 for the UVC hardware, and maybe give the option of Bluray/HD-DVD by then too.

dronkert
Sep 20, 2007, 04:46 AM
i hate that i just got my macbookpro a month ago
WHY APPLE WHY!

So you get 5 months use out of it before the new ones hit the market. Would you have survived 5 months without a laptop?!

aswitcher
Sep 20, 2007, 04:46 AM
What effect, if any, will this announcement have on MacBook updates (i.e. not the Pro version)?

BW RTJ

I really hope they finally put a graphics card in the MB next rev.

And I wonder with the iPods moving away from black and white, and go iPod like colours.

MattyCurry
Sep 20, 2007, 04:48 AM
All I want is a 11 or 12inch Macbook, something weighing a kilo and a bit. I can stick it in my bag and carry it around all day. I've waited so long...endless anouncements about bleedin phones and set top boxes and endless nonsense when the one product I actually want to buy is left to be rumours. Argh.

do you remember this?
http://www.switched.com/2007/05/25/intel-s-razr-thin-concept-laptop/

at the moment, unless this rumour comes to fruition, I'l lbe forced to buy this:
http://h10010.www1.hp.com/wwpc/us/en/sm/WF25a/321957-321957-64295-321838-306995-3355644.html

as it does most of what I want, plus it'll run OneNote - otherwise known as the best application in the world, which I hope like mad is part of MacOffice 2008

Shame it's so ugly, really.

matthemercyless
Sep 20, 2007, 04:48 AM
Does anyone know if an updated MBP would include updated RAM? The current model runs an 800Mhz bus, but only 667Mhz RAM. Would a new model include support for faster RAM?

gnasher729
Sep 20, 2007, 05:01 AM
Is there some curse on 3Ghz or something? Wasn't the P4 at 4Ghz 4 years ago. CPUs seem to have smaller and smaller adavances. Take away tacking on more cores, and they have only gained about 20% a year the past few years. Sounds like this will be maybe 50% faster than the first MacBook Pro 2 years ago at best.

I completely disagree.

The Pentium 4 was designed to run at the highest possible clockspeed. It wasn't actually designed to run _fast_, the goal was clockspeed because that is what sold CPUs. This is like the revs of a car; you can have some little engine running at 6000 revs mostly producing noise; or you can have a diesel engine doing the same speed at 2500 revs. If you download the manuals from Intel, you will see ridiculous times like a simple shift instruction taking four cycles (PowerPC: One cycle), an integer multiplication taking 15 cycles (PowerPC: Four cycles). This has been fixed starting with Pentium M, and each generation after that (Core Duo, Core 2 Duo) has improved on that. A single core of a 2 GHz Core Duo chip (not Core 2 Duo) is equivalent to about 3.5 GHz on a Pentium 4.

And your argument "taking away the multiple cores, there is not much improvement" is just plain wrong. Intel wouldn't have any problem creating a single core CPU running at higher speed. What you are missing is that power consumption grows with the square of clock speed, and the limit for computers nowadays is power consumption. With twice the power, you can either have a single core running 41% faster (doing 141% of the work), or two cores running at original speed (doing 200% of the work), or even four cores running at 70% of original speed (doing 280% of the work). At the same power, a four core system is twice as fast as a single core system. So the relatively low speed of each core is deliberately; you get much more work done with the same power that way.

To help your imagination a little bit, a CPU using 100 Watt uses about the same power as a very strong light bulb, and it produces the same heat. You really don't want that in a computer, especially not in a laptop.

twoodcc
Sep 20, 2007, 05:51 AM
good news. Now maybe we'll see that 12" mbp

offwidafairies
Sep 20, 2007, 05:59 AM
gee i was hoping for an update to mbp much sooner than january'
does anyone expect a small update around leopard release?
i hope so
i just dropped my powerbook the other day and im in need of a replacement, sadly... but i dont want to buy now at mid-product cycle :(

reflex
Sep 20, 2007, 06:01 AM
i hate that i just got my macbookpro a month ago
WHY APPLE WHY!

You will have had that MBP for five months if an update is announced in January. Should be long enough not to worry about it, shouldn't it?

lukechip
Sep 20, 2007, 06:20 AM
I think it is likely that as soon as the mobile Penryns become available, Apple will begin shipping both MacBook Pros and iMacs with them.

The Penryn desktop CPUs are expected before the Penryn mobiles, and so Apple will be marketing Merom based iMacs against Dells etc which are will have desktop Penryns.

So if the mobile Penryns are really going to be shipping in Jan 08, then I think we can expect an iMac and MacBook Pro upgrade announced at MWSF 08.

However, I'm a little dubious about the January date for the mobiles. The Penryn Xeons don't ship until mid November 07, followed by the desktops and then the mobiles. It was only a week or two ago that the mobile Penryns were tipped to be released around April 08.

I've waited long enough. My C2E iMac will be ordered the day that Leopard is bundled with them. I'll then wait until either the MacBook or MacBook Pro are on Penryn and get a laptop.

smukkebenne
Sep 20, 2007, 06:21 AM
Why 14" when it's so close in size to a 15"?
Well the 15'' is really 15.4, so difference is 1.4'' on the diagonal size of the laptop which is a pretty big difference to me. I think that 1440x900 fits a 14'' very well. The 15.4'' could then be bumped to 1680x1050. Just my opinion :)

dialooc
Sep 20, 2007, 07:07 AM
What about the Macbooks? Is there any rumors about an update this january? when they updated them last may, it was only a speed update.

WannaGoMac
Sep 20, 2007, 07:20 AM
I love the design of Apple products...but lately I haven't liked the updates. I don't like the new iMacs, or the new iPod Nanos or Classics. I'm fully in love with the MBP design. If they drastically change it...I don't see me liking it too much. Besides, as far as the insides...its like any other computer now, it will be updated continuously.


So basically, you're saying you don't like change :) lol

niclet
Sep 20, 2007, 08:09 AM
800mhz bus.

I'll pass.

Unless they make a subnotebook which would be a nice compliment for my Mac Pro.

Once the Mac Book Pros get a 1200hmz bus then I'll consider them a desktop replacement for me personally.

I heard that there was hope with some fiber-optic system bus technology; high speed data transfer to all components connected to the system bus, done with light. Does someone know more about this?

Moz4
Sep 20, 2007, 08:17 AM
Ah bugger! I was about to order a MBP in October as soon as Leopard came out. Will it be worth waiting or shall I just go and get one in October? Decisions, decisions!

viperguy
Sep 20, 2007, 08:23 AM
It would be so nice to see price drops and brand new enclosures as well. :)

sjo
Sep 20, 2007, 08:47 AM
The thing that I don't get is why Intel releases the processors.... and then much later the new architecture. Or in other words, releases Penyrn and then releases Nehelam or whatever it was they are releasing early next year. I wish they'd just release both at the same time.

No you don't. Both are hugely complex undertakings and releasing them alteratively allows Intel to concentrate on getting much smaller subset of variables right before moving to next step. This in turn results in much less problems for the end users. But of course absence of problems is never news...

ksz
Sep 20, 2007, 08:51 AM
Is there some curse on 3Ghz or something? Wasn't the P4 at 4Ghz 4 years ago. CPUs seem to have smaller and smaller adavances. Take away tacking on more cores, and they have only gained about 20% a year the past few years. Sounds like this will be maybe 50% faster than the first MacBook Pro 2 years ago at best.
When IBM announced their 45nm development in May of 2005 (more than 2 years ago) we had the following discussion (start at post 32):

http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=128849&page=2

While the discussion is long and complicated, it's relevant to your observation about the lower rate at which clock speeds are rising today. From post 105 with emphasis added:

Because the CMOS power curve is peaking now at 13-14 W/cm2, power is the brick wall, but this brick wall can be torn down with more advanced materials and gate topologies. It does not mean that a wholescale paradigm shift is necessary. Some estimates I've seen suggest that *conventional* process technologies and trends can last for another 15-20 years before a real barrier is struck. I think we will see a gradual shift to whole new technologies much before 20 years expire.

Nevertheless, clock speeds are now rising at HALF the historical rate due to power issues and the relatively long time it takes to develop new materials and process technologies to deal with the sources of that heat.

SilverHandprint
Sep 20, 2007, 08:52 AM
I think it is likely that as soon as the mobile Penryns become available, Apple will begin shipping both MacBook Pros and iMacs with them.

The Penryn desktop CPUs are expected before the Penryn mobiles, and so Apple will be marketing Merom based iMacs against Dells etc which are will have desktop Penryns.

So if the mobile Penryns are really going to be shipping in Jan 08, then I think we can expect an iMac and MacBook Pro upgrade announced at MWSF 08.

However, I'm a little dubious about the January date for the mobiles. The Penryn Xeons don't ship until mid November 07, followed by the desktops and then the mobiles. It was only a week or two ago that the mobile Penryns were tipped to be released around April 08.

I've waited long enough. My C2E iMac will be ordered the day that Leopard is bundled with them. I'll then wait until either the MacBook or MacBook Pro are on Penryn and get a laptop.

So you think it's likely that the recently updated iMacs will be updated again in January with Penryn processors? I too was planning on ordering a Core 2 Extreme iMac once Leopard is bundled with it. I wonder how much faster and energy savings will be realised in a Penryn iMac versus a Core 2 Extreme iMac. Anyone have ideas?

Tousiger
Sep 20, 2007, 08:58 AM
Hi everyone... i'm tired of my 14" HP laptop... and want a :apple: MacBook Pro... as been said previously, 14" would be great (for the weight economy) but smaller is good too (12" to 14" would be ideal)...

But I want a case modification. What I REALLY want to buy (for that freakin 4K $ with all taxes in Quebec :mad:) is the same case... but like the iMac... a nice black aluminium enclusure :D

I want a nice graphic card, but it's getting no more need for a gaming card because I just got my ultimate gaming PC at home... As said previously, i'm getting interested in mobile quaddro or something like this (as I do CAD and 3D rendering)

To answer the guy about the HD-DVD or BlueRay drives... You won't get any. :cool:
Thats true... all the complaints on Vista about DRM in the system is the fact that if the operating system doesn't give the "OK" for a secure system (which needs an HDCP-enabled drive, OS, graphic card and monitor) then it won't play in HD (aka 1080p). So as long as MacOS won't make the same as Vista (what we dont want - that's why I leave Window$) then you wouldn't be able to playbak HD content! :(

thogs_cave
Sep 20, 2007, 08:59 AM
I love the design of Apple products...but lately I haven't liked the updates. I don't like the new iMacs, or the new iPod Nanos or Classics. I'm fully in love with the MBP design. If they drastically change it...I don't see me liking it too much. Besides, as far as the insides...its like any other computer now, it will be updated continuously.

Hmmm, it seems as if you can't please all the people all the time. There was a vocal bunch of folks who used to complain about Apple's not updating systems fast enough like PeeCees do. Now that they are doing just that, others aren't happy.

I could care less. I buy a computer, use it, and replace it when it dies.

plumbingandtech
Sep 20, 2007, 08:59 AM
1st quarter COULD mean march.

Or announce in late Jan. and not ship till end of Feb.


I hope everyone that was thinking about buying now and is now waiting till "Jan" realizes this.

This means come Jan. you could still be waiting for 2 more months. (see Aug. SR MBP ship dates and how a lot of people had to wait.)

With the same bus speeds these are not a major update IMO.

If you need one now, buy it now.

cmaier
Sep 20, 2007, 09:03 AM
Is there some curse on 3Ghz or something? Wasn't the P4 at 4Ghz 4 years ago. CPUs seem to have smaller and smaller adavances. Take away tacking on more cores, and they have only gained about 20% a year the past few years. Sounds like this will be maybe 50% faster than the first MacBook Pro 2 years ago at best.

The P4 had a ridiculously long pipeline, with each pipe stage doing very little work, to achieve those frequencies. Whenever an unpredicted branch, a page fault, or other interruption in the instruction stream occurred, the penalty was huge because of the large pipeline. As a result, the IPC (instructions per cycle) was comparatively low. So even though the clock ticked more times per second, less work was being done per tick.

Additionally, power consumption and heat are functions of the square of the frequency. As a result, for efficiency, it's better to do more per cycle and slow down the clock, if possible.

One of the reasons K8 (opteron, athlon 64) did so well against intel is that we went with comparatively shorter pipelines, didn't double-pump the ALUs just to get the frequency up, and concentrated more on keeping the ALUs doing work than on frequency. With the Core chips, Intel learned the lesson.

Darkroom
Sep 20, 2007, 09:19 AM
Bring back a pro model with 12" or smaller screen please. I'm ready to buy in January :)

smaller screen MBPs would be nice... but there is always the macbook...

monkeytap
Sep 20, 2007, 09:21 AM
when reading about the new intel chips, i saw that intel is "switching" and going to include blu-ray support in these chips.

please please please tell me we may see blu-ray drives shipping in macs soooon! hopefully by the time they are in mac book pros they will have already been in powermacs.

monkeytap
Sep 20, 2007, 10:14 AM
To answer the guy about the HD-DVD or BlueRay drives... You won't get any. :cool:
Thats true... all the complaints on Vista about DRM in the system is the fact that if the operating system doesn't give the "OK" for a secure system (which needs an HDCP-enabled drive, OS, graphic card and monitor) then it won't play in HD (aka 1080p). So as long as MacOS won't make the same as Vista (what we dont want - that's why I leave Window$) then you wouldn't be able to playbak HD content! :(

you really dont think macs will ship with blu-ray (not blue-ray! :p) drives before january? i would be upset/surprised if this is not true as ive been waiting a long time and would expect it to come with leopard or soon there after.

come on apple...i need some highly defined material in my life!

cliffjumper68
Sep 20, 2007, 10:17 AM
Is there some curse on 3Ghz or something? Wasn't the P4 at 4Ghz 4 years ago. CPUs seem to have smaller and smaller adavances. Take away tacking on more cores, and they have only gained about 20% a year the past few years. Sounds like this will be maybe 50% faster than the first MacBook Pro 2 years ago at best.

They process more per cycle with fewer steps at slower speeds. So, while clocking slower cycloe speed they mover far more data. Would you rather have a straw shooting water through at high speed or the Mississippi river moving along slowly? Less heat, less power consumption, more usable bandwidth, more work done, sounds better to me.

tMac85
Sep 20, 2007, 10:18 AM
getting 5 months out of your recently purchased mac is great
and its understood that your inside speeds and memory will last for a good couple of years, but i find that, being a designer/ artist, a lot of people out there go for macs not only because they are reliable and have top of the line software, but because of the design of the computer too. they are clean lined simple yet still beautiful machines. best of both worlds no?

i just hope that they dont completely redesign the architecture of the current macbookpro yet! apple always seems to introduce the "why didnt we think of that before , this is awesome!" products. previous products still good, however a complete redesign inside and out of their products rival that of before.


give me atleast til june apple. please.!

skellener
Sep 20, 2007, 10:35 AM
So you think it's likely that the recently updated iMacs will be updated again in January with Penryn processors?
They should. I don't see any reason now that Apple has deemed the iMac "pro" worthy with it's Aluminum and Glass, that whenever a new chip for the MacBook pros get updated, the iMac shouldn't receive the same. In fact, the iMac has less of an issue with power consumption than the laptop. So it could take a chip that may not be as suitable for a mobile device.

I hope all in all we see new chips all around soon. It's starting to feel like the days of the G4 without a chip bump every 3-4 months.

compuguy1088
Sep 20, 2007, 12:21 PM
It's called progress. If you want to invest in a computer company that doesn't innovate/progress and build newer, faster computers, you should probably get yourself a Sinclair.

What's wrong with your 2.4 MBP that wasn't before this rumour came about? I'm not planning on upgrading my MBP (a 2.4 model) for at least another three years.

Even though I got my MBP last month, I'm still satisfied with it. Heck my desktop is even older in perspective....its a E6600 C2D box, and DDR2. Technology changes quickly, as long as it hasn't been released by a company, then its still new. Once its released its old news :D

macsailor
Sep 20, 2007, 01:10 PM
1st quarter COULD mean march.

Or announce in late Jan. and not ship till end of Feb.


I hope everyone that was thinking about buying now and is now waiting till "Jan" realizes this.

This means come Jan. you could still be waiting for 2 more months. (see Aug. SR MBP ship dates and how a lot of people had to wait.)

With the same bus speeds these are not a major update IMO.

If you need one now, buy it now.

Thanks for clearing out my mind. First I wanted to buy a new MBP to replace my Pismo(!) as soon as Leopard is released. After starting to read this thread, I was confused and starting to thinking about wait until Jan 2008, but your message will probably make me to buy when Leopard is released. Your words makes sense!

My Pismo is slowly dying and I have to have a new MBP to be able to write to get my bachelor's degree in History.

mikahopity
Sep 20, 2007, 01:11 PM
It's about time for apple to put a real video card in this machine.

kasei
Sep 20, 2007, 01:13 PM
Been waiting on the PowerBook G5, eh?



(sorry... somebody had to say it...)

LoL... Nice one!

Eidorian
Sep 20, 2007, 01:15 PM
It's about time for apple to put a real video card in this machine.In which model?

Tousiger
Sep 20, 2007, 01:32 PM
you really dont think macs will ship with blu-ray (not blue-ray! :p) drives before january? i would be upset/surprised if this is not true as ive been waiting a long time and would expect it to come with leopard or soon there after.

come on apple...i need some highly defined material in my life!

I hope for you they do... but I don't need it (as in Canada HD is not really everywhere)! I just hope they put it as an option so I don't pay for something I won't use! :rolleyes: haha... don't remember the last time I burned a DVD :o


In which model?

He's probably talking about the mac pro & macbook pro :)
Integrated graphics is way good for people buying macbooks! (no offense)

Eidorian
Sep 20, 2007, 01:36 PM
He's probably talking about the mac pro & macbook pro :)
Integrated graphics is way good for people buying macbooks! (no offense)The 8600M GT is fine for the MacBook Pro.

I still find integrated graphics lacking. Even the 64-bit discrete options would be a better choice.

jpxdude
Sep 20, 2007, 01:52 PM
I predict an 11.1 inch widescreen Macbook Pro... *dreams*

I still have a 12 inch powerbook G4, which my wife has inherited. Still feels slicker than my 13.3 inch macbook :-/ plus that cold aluminium, I miss that.

I hope Apple plays to their advantage, and release something smaller than their current range...

Tousiger
Sep 20, 2007, 01:53 PM
The 8600M GT is fine for the MacBook Pro.

I sadly haven't tried it... but as said by someone elses here. We are looking for a "pro" notebook, so why not put a "pro" video card like the Mobile Quadro's.

SiliconAddict
Sep 20, 2007, 01:59 PM
I'm waiting for '09 and quad core 32nm chips...yum.

Eidorian
Sep 20, 2007, 02:06 PM
I sadly haven't tried it... but as said by someone elses here. We are looking for a "pro" notebook, so why not put a "pro" video card like the Mobile Quadro's.Once again the debate for the benefits of a "pro" card Vs. a standard one.

Tousiger
Sep 20, 2007, 02:07 PM
I'm waiting for '09 and quad core 32nm chips...yum.

And then... ;)

You'll be waiting for a 20nm...

And then...

You'll wait for 8-core in macBook Pro... :rolleyes:

And then... Waiting... waiting... waiting... :mad: getting long before you actually GET something :p

Like everyone said, buy it when you need it! Use it, and replace it! :)
I still have my HP going really good... so I will wait until it dies... (actually no :o) but I will buy when I want something better :cool:

Tousiger
Sep 20, 2007, 02:09 PM
Once again the debate for the benefits of a "pro" card Vs. a standard one.

That's true... but as i said... didn't tried the 8600GT so maybe real good :confused:

Eidorian
Sep 20, 2007, 02:15 PM
That's true... but as i said... didn't tried the 8600GT so maybe real good :confused:I understand.

Aaron Anthony
Sep 20, 2007, 03:07 PM
I'm waiting for '09 and quad core 32nm chips...yum.
Yum is correct my friend! =D

grannysmith
Sep 20, 2007, 03:18 PM
Funny, all I care about are the cosmetics of the new MBP. My old MBP has some rather major irritations.

1. Let the hard drive be user replaceable, first and foremost. There ain't no Apple store on every corner of the world.

2. C'mon, would it kill them to add just ONE more USB port?

3. It WOULD be nice if a lot of the critical ports were shifted to the left side seeing as I'm right handed and my mouse is always getting caught up in the mess of wires on the right...ethernet..firewire...usb drive...bah. Better yet, move the ethernet port to the back.

4. A subtle hard drive light would be nice so I can tell the computer is actually working on something instead of just freezing up on me.

heisetax
Sep 20, 2007, 05:01 PM
I sometimes wish Apple had a longer turnaround time between product releases as iv just taken delivery of a MBP and they are going to renew it already!

Oh well thats proberly why they are so far ahead of everyone else.


N


If you want loner update cycles with your Mac, then choose the Intel Mac Pro. I took delivery of mine on my wife's birthday of Sep 12, 2006. At that time it was already a month or so old. Other that adding the dual quad-core to the line-up all prices. speeds & features are still the same. That means 13-14 months already. Then there may be a change in 2008, a but we'll have to wait & see.

In my opinion wanting Apple to wait longer to update their computers is really wanting to hold back others just to make your system the fastest or best for a longer time. It is also being a little short sighted. My Intel Mac Pro is just as fast as it was when I purchased it a year ago. But it would be nice for others to have a choice to go faster or with more other abilities.

Bill the TaxMan

TurboSC
Sep 20, 2007, 05:51 PM
Dammit I was hoping for a good refresh of the MacBookPro line when Leopard hits...

I guess I'll have to play it by ear, I'm getting tired of this old centrino Asus laptop... grrrr come on apple!

mandoman
Sep 20, 2007, 06:54 PM
I just bought a MBP and won't be in the market again for 2-3 years, but here is my wish list anyway:

1) User serviceable hard drive
2) eSATA ports
3) Keep the keyboard as is, no mackbook keybord please!
and
4) BETTER FRICKIN' QUALITY DISPLAYS!!!

2ms
Sep 20, 2007, 07:56 PM
Ok i've seen the two main CAD programs for Mac running pretty damn well on even on older Mac Book Pro's, and Vectorworks runs pretty sweet on a kiddie's Mac Book. Other than batch rendering (which a laptop is never going to have the cooling system to handle) what do see as the issue with current crop of laptops to stop you buying one, if mobility is what you need?

There's a huge difference between the kind of CAD use you must be talking about (individual parts only, for example), and what the people using Pro/E, Solidworks, etc do -- huge assemblies as in an entire airplane constituted of millions of parts into assemblies and mechanisms. Merely a 10 part mechanism reduces something like a Macbook to a crawl. My iMac with the best graphics available for it is really overwhelmed by my measely CAD schoolwork.

I dual boot to run the Pro/E, of course.

Engineers and undoubtedly many industrial designers, architechts, etc are forced to buy Lenova, Dell, etc because they have Quadro graphics, though I'm many are undoubtedly otherwise Mac users and would prefer a MB Pro

lukechip
Sep 20, 2007, 08:00 PM
I'm pretty sure that the mobile Penryns will have a lower TDP than their Merom equivalents. Consequently, it might be possible that a MacBook Pro or iMac based upon a Penryn mobile CPU will be able to handle a GPU with a higher TDP.

What do people think about an iMac announced at MWSF '08 based on Penryn mobile with a better GPU than the 2600 Pro / XT hybrid they currently have ?

jsbarone
Sep 20, 2007, 09:15 PM
That's true... but as i said... didn't tried the 8600GT so maybe real good :confused:

I have a 2.4GHZ 15" MBP, and in Windows XP Pro (ala Bootcamp) I run Bioshock at 1440x900 with no noticeable lag at max settings. I can tell when a game gets below 30FPS or so, and it definitely does not.

That means that it plays a high end, graphically intensive game on max settings with no lag, which is something *most* video cards can't say, desktop *or* notebook. I am definitely happy with this thing, and have zero complaints whatsoever.

Eidorian
Sep 20, 2007, 10:01 PM
http://laptoping.com/intel-santa-rosa-refresh.html

AidenShaw
Sep 21, 2007, 06:26 AM
http://laptoping.com/intel-santa-rosa-refresh.html

Love these "platform refreshes" - since there's no piece of hardware named "Santa Rosa", a new version of it is very easy to produce!!!

johnee
Sep 21, 2007, 02:46 PM
Is there some curse on 3Ghz or something? Wasn't the P4 at 4Ghz 4 years ago. CPUs seem to have smaller and smaller adavances. Take away tacking on more cores, and they have only gained about 20% a year the past few years. Sounds like this will be maybe 50% faster than the first MacBook Pro 2 years ago at best.

I'm sure someone has answered this but just in case....

The issue is more about the physics of operating transistors in silicon. There are well defined curves which show X amount of heat is generated for each clock frequency value.

So based on the manufacturing process used, if you clock your chip at 2GHz, and the chip contains N transistors with a switching factor of S, the chip will average D degrees. In that equation, only the input clock speed is not fixed, all other factors are.

Since you don't want to carry a water chiller with you on your laptop, they have to design a heat dissipation system within the bounds of the physical case. This constraint on the dissipation system means only G watts of power (heat) can be dissipated by the cooling system. this is the factor that determines what clock speed can be used in a design.

It has been observed that performance can be increased and overall power heat dissipation decreased if multiple cores are used. however the system is still constrained by how much (heat) power it can dissipate, not only average power, but instantaneous power.

In short, physics dictates what we can do. There are very hard limits; much like the speed of light is the fastest anything can go, silicon doesn't hold any magic.

CalBoy
Sep 21, 2007, 04:27 PM
I'm sure someone has answered this but just in case....
Yup, I had...but I didn't use algebra:D


The issue is more about the physics of operating transistors in silicon. There are well defined curves which show X amount of heat is generated for each clock frequency value.

So based on the manufacturing process used, if you clock your chip at 2GHz, and the chip contains N transistors with a switching factor of S, the chip will average D degrees. In that equation, only the input clock speed is not fixed, all other factors are.

Since you don't want to carry a water chiller with you on your laptop, they have to design a heat dissipation system within the bounds of the physical case. This constraint on the dissipation system means only G watts of power (heat) can be dissipated by the cooling system. this is the factor that determines what clock speed can be used in a design.

It has been observed that performance can be increased and overall power heat dissipation decreased if multiple cores are used. however the system is still constrained by how much (heat) power it can dissipate, not only average power, but instantaneous power.

In short, physics dictates what we can do. There are very hard limits; much like the speed of light is the fastest anything can go, silicon doesn't hold any magic.

Out of curiosity, do you suppose we'll see the mbp go as high as 2.6? That would really be hitting the upper end of the 2-3 scale, and the heat would probably be sufficient to microwave popcorn:p

2ms
Sep 22, 2007, 07:57 PM
I know even the current MBPs are great for gaming. I can't buy one though because they are not available with "Pro" level graphics. By "Pro", I mean full OpenGL as used in scientific, engineering, industrial design work, even things like Pixar are done with the "full" OpenGL as opposed to the gaming subset. I mean the real 3D computing standard, not the tiny subset optimized for video games that standard cards use. In fact, sadly, since MS goes around buying every good game manufacturer that appears, the vast majority of games these dys aren't even the gaming subset of OpenGL, but rather DirectX which is MS' gaming-only 3D copy of OpenGL.

Thus, nearly all gaming cards these days are designed primarily for DirectX, then for "gaming OpenGL", and that's it. "Pro" graphics cards are the only ones designed for OpenGL as it is used by pros. The main pro graphics cards these days are NVidia Quadro and ATI FireGL.

Apple's Pro desktop line is available with very high end "Pro" graphics -- the Quadro FX4500. It's a shame the pro notebooks aren't available with even a low-end Mobile Quadro or Fire Mobility option, because even the lowe-end models are 10 times better than any gamer card in 3D modeling performance.

TurboSC
Sep 22, 2007, 08:30 PM
Definitely getting a MacBookPro come January. A present to myself... late Christmas ? ah well, the iPhone was suppose to be early Christmas, but hey, you only live once.

maxpower13
Nov 8, 2007, 06:17 PM
Is the good money still on new macbook pros come January? Or is that gonna be put off by the update last week to the 2.6?

OdduWon
Nov 8, 2007, 06:27 PM
This will be a geed update, we may even a get new keyboard.

Out of curiosity, do you suppose we'll see the mbp go as high as 2.6? That would really be hitting the upper end of the 2-3 scale, and the heat would probably be sufficient to microwave popcorn
The 2.6 will be standard in 17 and we may get new "speed holes"

XIpenek
Nov 8, 2007, 11:42 PM
so guess there will not be new macbook pro next week :(

sparky750
Nov 16, 2007, 05:35 PM
Any news on these yet i've finally decided to make the switch to a mac after struggling with vista for the past couple of months :mad: pretty much settled on the top end 15inch. I found this site whilst mooching for info on macs and now i'm in 2 minds do i wait until jan to buy one or get it next week i wouldn't be too bothered if it was just the insides upgraded but a casing change etc would make it feel outdated after a month. I know thats slightly shallow but spending so much money on a shiny new thing only to have it changed completely in a month or less would be horrible especially as i have to walk past an apple shop most days seeing a new version of what i've just bought in the window every day. On the other hand i want one now because vista has annoyed me so much and i'd be gutted if i struggled on for another month for nothing. Thanks for any help guys.

zedsdead
Nov 17, 2007, 04:21 AM
Any news on these yet i've finally decided to make the switch to a mac after struggling with vista for the past couple of months :mad: pretty much settled on the top end 15inch. I found this site whilst mooching for info on macs and now i'm in 2 minds do i wait until jan to buy one or get it next week i wouldn't be too bothered if it was just the insides upgraded but a casing change etc would make it feel outdated after a month. I know thats slightly shallow but spending so much money on a shiny new thing only to have it changed completely in a month or less would be horrible especially as i have to walk past an apple shop most days seeing a new version of what i've just bought in the window every day. On the other hand i want one now because vista has annoyed me so much and i'd be gutted if i struggled on for another month for nothing. Thanks for any help guys.

Honestly, since you are in the market for a Macbook Pro, it did just receive the option to go to 2.6 GHZ...that to Apple constitutes an "update." The only reason Apple will release one at Macworld will be if this recent "Touchpad" is as interesting as 9-to-5 mac claims it to be and a re-haul of the design is coming. For the record, 9-to-5 Mac has been spot on this year with rumors, so there is some credibility there.

If I were you, I would wait until Macworld unless you need the computer. If speed/performance is your only concern, the current model is more than powerful enough...if you are concerned with hardware features like the rumored multi-touch Trackpad, then wait and see if Apple surprises us in January.

basqarl
Nov 23, 2007, 09:04 AM
Options for MBP...

Am still browsing the forums to try to figure out whether to get it now or wait for upgrade to Penryn in January or February (assuming the rumors are true).

Son has MBP and complains of over-heating and battery issues. As an amateur photographer, I want the max RAM (will probably order separately through another vendor to save $$$). I also want the matte high resolution screen due to more realistic color saturation and representation.

Have been considering 15" but although I want portability when needed, this will also serve as my desktop, so I'm thinking that the 17" might serve me better. Also, I tend to have many applications and many windows open at once, so 17" will probably give me better immediate access visually.

Am not in a HUGE hurry, but my old Dell laptop is on its last legs and is very very slow (and does not have the features I need at this point), so the sooner the better, except that I am hearing that the Penryn will not have the heating issues and will be faster (?) so really am torn as to whether to ride it out on my Dell or buy now.

Another thing is that when the new MBP comes out, there will probably be bugs to be ironed out; not sure I want to have to deal with that; buying a 'tested' system such as the current MBP may be the way to go.

Advise?;)

Catonow
Nov 23, 2007, 01:50 PM
Options for MBP...

Am still browsing the forums to try to figure out whether to get it now or wait for upgrade to Penryn in January or February (assuming the rumors are true).

Son has MBP and complains of over-heating and battery issues. As an amateur photographer, I want the max RAM (will probably order separately through another vendor to save $$$). I also want the matte high resolution screen due to more realistic color saturation and representation.

Have been considering 15" but although I want portability when needed, this will also serve as my desktop, so I'm thinking that the 17" might serve me better. Also, I tend to have many applications and many windows open at once, so 17" will probably give me better immediate access visually.

Am not in a HUGE hurry, but my old Dell laptop is on its last legs and is very very slow (and does not have the features I need at this point), so the sooner the better, except that I am hearing that the Penryn will not have the heating issues and will be faster (?) so really am torn as to whether to ride it out on my Dell or buy now.

Another thing is that when the new MBP comes out, there will probably be bugs to be ironed out; not sure I want to have to deal with that; buying a 'tested' system such as the current MBP may be the way to go.

Advise?;)

I think your last sentence answered your question. If a radical new design is released in January, it might very well have bugs to be ironed out in subsequent versions.

Plus:

- It looks like Apple is getting away from matte screens (unfortunately, in my opinion), so their new MBPs might be all glossy.

- If your heart is set on a 17", it's not certain they will come out with a new version in January. In the past Apple has sometimes waited a while after releasing new 15" models before introducing a new 17". A lot of the rumors now are about a new smaller 13" MBP.

iSamurai
Nov 25, 2007, 07:17 AM
When will the macbook pros ever arrive in stores? because you guys (and everywhere else) are saying that it will be announced in the macworld expo. I heard that it will take another +-1 month before it actually reaches the stores.

im going to buy a macbook pro in the december holidays but if it's just going to be a speed bump then i think i should just get it then. if apple releases a newer screen (higher res) for the 15" then i'll definitely wait... aargh how frustrating.

Brianstorm91
Nov 25, 2007, 11:46 AM
aargh how frustrating.

Revel in it, welcome to our world.

CalBoy
Nov 25, 2007, 12:18 PM
When will the macbook pros ever arrive in stores? because you guys (and everywhere else) are saying that it will be announced in the macworld expo. I heard that it will take another +-1 month before it actually reaches the stores.

im going to buy a macbook pro in the december holidays but if it's just going to be a speed bump then i think i should just get it then. if apple releases a newer screen (higher res) for the 15" then i'll definitely wait... aargh how frustrating.

I think that for the most part, Apple retail stores do get newly announced models fairly quickly. 3rd party retailers might not, but Apple Stores certainly do. Are you near an Apple Store (or will you be near one)?

Brianstorm91
Nov 25, 2007, 12:26 PM
They usually arrive just before announcement, on sale that day or soon after by my reckoning.

iSamurai
Nov 27, 2007, 02:01 AM
Are you near an Apple Store (or will you be near one)?

yeah there's lots of apple stores around me, so i'll have to see whats up in the macworld...

dasein
Nov 27, 2007, 10:19 AM
Options for MBP...

Son has MBP and complains of over-heating and battery issues.
Another thing is that when the new MBP comes out, there will probably be bugs to be ironed out; not sure I want to have to deal with that; buying a 'tested' system such as the current MBP may be the way to go.

Advise?;)

Something to keep in mind regarding the heat issue: if the clock speeds are upped, you're probably going to lose any advantage the 45nm chip would have regarding running cooler...it's a tradeoff that's made when the higher end clock speed is settled on.

matsundinn
Dec 1, 2007, 05:39 PM
if the new upgraded macbook pros release in january of 2008 would the price remain equivalent of the line of macbook pros right now or are we looking at higher costs?

Thanks

CalBoy
Dec 1, 2007, 08:30 PM
if the new upgraded macbook pros release in january of 2008 would the price remain equivalent of the line of macbook pros right now or are we looking at higher costs?

Thanks

If the current models are kept and upgraded, the price will most likely stay the same.

The one curveball is the sub-notebook. Its pricing could be anywhere, depending on the features it offers.

Matiek
Dec 2, 2007, 02:51 PM
Why do they need to have a "drastic exterior change"? The macbook pros perform great and are up to date on all the ports. It's not like mac is going to make a ruggedized laptop. What is it about the exterior that you can justify a rebuild? It's a computer it's what's inside that counts. Not to mention the fact that the macbook pro's are already the slimmest laptops in the performance bracket. If it's a choice between an exterior or an interior upgrade I chose the interior. A exterior upgrade would probably just make it harder to keep the price down.

powerchord
Dec 2, 2007, 08:15 PM
It's not like mac is going to make a ruggedized laptop.


That makes wonder... Does anyone have any pics or mock-ups of what a "ruggedized" laptop would look like?

luminosity
Dec 2, 2007, 08:19 PM
That makes wonder... Does anyone have any pics or mock-ups of what a "ruggedized" laptop would look like?

Sure. Take a look at Panasonic's toughbooks (http://www.panasonic.com/business/toughbook/products.asp).

wacahill
Dec 2, 2007, 09:39 PM
;)http://www.macrumors.com/images/macrumorsthreadlogo.gif (http://www.macrumors.com)

Appleinsider compiles (http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/07/09/19/next_gen_macbook_pro_penryn_chips_revealed.html) information from Digitimes (http://www.digitimes.com/NewsShow/MailHome.asp?datePublish=2007/9/19&pages=PD&seq=211) about upcoming Penryn processors which are expected to be used in upcoming MacBook Pros. Intel detailed (http://www.macrumors.com/2007/09/18/intel-on-track-to-deliver-penryn-nehalem/) their Penryn and Nehalem processor plans earlier this week at the Intel Developer Forum.

Intel is expected to launch five 45nm dual-core notebook CPUs in January of 2008 with CPU speeds ranging from 2.1GHz up to 2.8GHz.

The new Intel mobile CPUs are expected to refresh the current Santa Rosa chipset which powers the current MacBook Pro. The MacBook Pro currently maxes out at 2.4GHz speeds.

Meanwhile, it has been previously revealed (http://www.macrumors.com/2007/09/07/the-beat-goes-on-rumor-wrapup-winners/) that new MacBook Pros are expected to be released in January 2008 which would coincide with these processor updates.


Article Link (http://www.macrumors.com/2007/09/20/january-2008-macbook-pros-with-penryn-processors/)

aswitcher
Dec 3, 2007, 04:41 AM
Yeah, the stars appear to be aligning well for a MBP light.

PCMacUser
Dec 3, 2007, 05:07 AM
I sometimes wish Apple had a longer turnaround time between product releases as iv just taken delivery of a MBP and they are going to renew it already!

Oh well thats proberly why they are so far ahead of everyone else.

Huh? Usually Apple are too slow with their updates and tend to lag behind the others. But every so often, they do something neat, like with the 8-core 3GHz Mac Pro release - that was ahead of the competition. But really, that's the exception.

Brianstorm91
Dec 3, 2007, 02:23 PM
That makes wonder... Does anyone have any pics or mock-ups of what a "ruggedized" laptop would look like?

Rugged Thinkpad (http://crave.cnet.com/8301-1_105-9800702-1.html?tag=bl).

mlmorg
Dec 3, 2007, 04:29 PM
i have a desktop and a mini and was hoping to get a macbook pro in january...im in school and will be studying abroad in prague next semester and figured i needed a laptop. i have been planning on getting a laptop for a while now and have set my sights on january before i leave (jan. 11th). i expected rumors like this to pop up as ive been looking at intel's timeline and it couldn't come at a worse time. i think i would be happy with the current macbook pro's...im glad they now allow a 200GB 7200 drive but wish the vram could be 256 standard. other than that i'm basically pretty happy with them but would be bummed if i bought a macbook pro and a new one came out that had a lot of new features.

My question then is if I should get a macbook pro before i go or should i take one of my parents' pc (ugh) laptops. I know there is a grace period to return the macbook pro for the new ones but i have a feeling apple may announce a new macbook pro but may not ship until maybe a month later. will i still be able to trade to the new one because it has been announced or does the machine actually have to be in stock for the 14 day grace period to apply? Also does anyone know of other parts of the macbook pro that may be getting upgraded in janyuary? are there any new larger 7200 drives out that are not in the macbook pros yet?

anyway, thanks for any suggestions/info/help you can give me.

Brianstorm91
Dec 3, 2007, 04:34 PM
If they announce it, it will be out shortly after.

fatalsports
Dec 3, 2007, 08:15 PM
I was going to buy a Macbook Pro for myself for Xmas...but now hearing there will be an update in January...makes me rethink that and wait.

My question...is it definite/pretty certain a new/upgrade macbook pro will be coming out in January. Trying to see if I should just buy now or wait. I'd hate to spend 2k+ then a month later a new/upgraded pro comes out.

thanks

psychofreak
Dec 3, 2007, 08:17 PM
I was going to buy a Macbook Pro for myself for Xmas...but now hearing there will be an update in January...makes me rethink that and wait.

My question...is it definite/pretty certain a new/upgrade macbook pro will be coming out in January. Trying to see if I should just buy now or wait. I'd hate to spend 2k+ then a month later a new/upgraded pro comes out.

I would suggest waiting if you can, an update is quite likely IMO...on the other hand, 42 days is quite a long time with a computer...

fatalsports
Dec 3, 2007, 08:30 PM
I would suggest waiting if you can, an update is quite likely IMO...on the other hand, 42 days is quite a long time with a computer...

I have a Macbook now...so I wont be without a comp...just looking forward to getting the MBP....but Im def willing to wait to Jan if an update is likely and the prices are the same

psychofreak
Dec 3, 2007, 08:31 PM
I have a Macbook now...so I wont be without a comp...just looking forward to getting the MBP....but Im def willing to wait to Jan if an update is likely and the prices are the same

I highly doubt prices will increase...if anything they'll decrease :)

fatalsports
Dec 3, 2007, 08:34 PM
I highly doubt prices will increase...if anything they'll decrease :)

Thats good...then guess i'm now waiting until Jan to see if any new updates will come.

OdduWon
Dec 4, 2007, 02:16 AM
What are the chances of them shipping January? Possible "available Today" announcement by SJ? New LED's :p

bushman1
Dec 4, 2007, 06:10 AM
I rely want to see a case redesign with a glass screen and the interactive touch pad. 2.8Ghz would be nice but rely a quad core is the only real improvment that will benefit laptops. Soon desktops will contains 16core processors .

PCMacUser
Dec 4, 2007, 04:01 PM
I rely want to see a case redesign with a glass screen and the interactive touch pad. 2.8Ghz would be nice but rely a quad core is the only real improvment that will benefit laptops. Soon desktops will contains 16core processors .

Well, firstly a glass screen will add massive weight and fragility to a laptop - so that's out of the question IMHO.

Secondly, quad cores at this stage would add to the power consumption of a laptop - and AFIK there is no quad core mobile CPU in Intel's near-future roadmap.

So if your wish comes true, we'll all be walking around with 5kg laptops with 30 minutes battery life.

And finally, 16 core CPUs are not coming to desktops soon. When talking about computers, soon is 6 months-12 months. We won't see 16 core desktop PCs in this time. Check Intel's roadmap - you'll get a better picture there.

Twe Foju
Dec 20, 2007, 10:00 AM
i was about to buy MBP 2.4 15" just Today man. today!!!!!!

untill i found out this forum.. and i relize the changes are gonna be somehow quite drastic with the Penryn Processor

well, and i thought why not wait for only around 15 days ( till jan ) to get a better MBP

but seriously, is it gonna be a huge different between the current Santa Rosa MBP and the upcoming Penryn Processor?

but im still thinking of whether to delay my purchase or should i just get it tommorow, but the time is what killing me, it's so near till jan 08!

Brianstorm91
Dec 20, 2007, 10:04 AM
but im still thinking of whether to delay my purchase or should i just get it tommorow, but the time is what killing me, it's so near till jan 08!

I am waiting until MacWorld, no new MBP? Fine, the current one is great.
New MBP: Everyone's happy.

Twe Foju
Dec 20, 2007, 10:51 AM
ok, this might have been reviewed in the 1st page of this topic

but when is this Mac World event starting?

and usually, how long does the new product are available on the store after the Mac World event?

cause im living outside of US and not on Europe :D

;)

Brianstorm91
Dec 20, 2007, 10:53 AM
It's the 14th to the 18th of January, and usually products are available very soon, unless it's a new one such as the iPhone last year.

Twe Foju
Dec 20, 2007, 11:12 AM
counting days or week? :D

just need to be sure :D

Brianstorm91
Dec 20, 2007, 11:20 AM
New MacBooks took from 1-3 days, for example.

psychofreak
Dec 20, 2007, 11:24 AM
It's the 14th to the 18th of JanuaryThe Stevenote is on the 15th - 24 days, 23 hours, 35 minutes and 30 seconds as of now :)

Brianstorm91
Dec 20, 2007, 11:29 AM
The Stevenote is on the 15th - 24 days, 23 hours, 35 minutes and 30 seconds as of now :)

If only you'd waited 13 minutes and 9 seconds..

24:23:22:21 ;)

So immature.

I'm a 6502! :D

Twe Foju
Dec 20, 2007, 11:41 AM
oh well

24 days is not that hard to wait to get a better MBP :D

psychofreak
Dec 20, 2007, 11:43 AM
oh well

24 days is not that hard to wait to get a better MBP :D

Sorry guys, mistyped :o

http://tangerine.quickshareit.com/share/picture2a4c31.png

Twe Foju
Dec 20, 2007, 11:47 AM
still not that hard :D

i will be dreaming penryn tonight

lol

calabi
Dec 28, 2007, 05:26 PM
hey, there's been a lot of talk in this forum about the macbook pro upgrades being revA and how it's bad to get a revA product because of the problems with first revisions. is it was a processor upgrade then wouldn't it just be a revE? i'm really worried, i've been waiting for two years, and i don't want to wait for macbook pro to perfect itself again!!

Eidorian
Dec 28, 2007, 05:29 PM
hey, there's been a lot of talk in this forum about the macbook pro upgrades being revA and how it's bad to get a revA product because of the problems with first revisions. is it was a processor upgrade then wouldn't it just be a revE? i'm really worried, i've been waiting for two years, and i don't want to wait for macbook pro to perfect itself again!!The only changes from the current models would be the processor and the VRM (Voltage Regulation Module) for the processor.

I had an Rev. A iMac Core Duo and Mac mini (Intel). Surprisingly enough in my department we've hard more trouble with the latest MacBook Pro Vs. the original Core Duo ones.

Your milage may vary.

Plymouthbreezer
Dec 29, 2007, 12:21 AM
Can't wait!

Not that I will be getting a new MBP anytime soon since mine's less than 3 months old. But, it's still good to see the model lines kept fresh. :)

tuff1444
Dec 29, 2007, 01:30 AM
Sure would be nice to have a WorkStation card in a MacBook Pro
or at least a option for one.

^squirrel^
Dec 29, 2007, 07:04 AM
I'm just wondering, what kind of graphics update can we expect from the next refresh?

Could it be 8600 with 512mb?

iW00t
Dec 29, 2007, 02:47 PM
Once the Mac Book Pros get a 1200hmz bus then I'll consider them a desktop replacement for me personally.

Ever occurred to you that when that happens desktops will well have 4000mhz bus?

I just bought a MBP and won't be in the market again for 2-3 years, but here is my wish list anyway:

1) User serviceable hard drive
2) eSATA ports
3) Keep the keyboard as is, no mackbook keybord please!
and
4) BETTER FRICKIN' QUALITY DISPLAYS!!!

Seconded!

I am not as greedy and I will do without eSATA. I didn't even have it on my PC, only nerds will want something like that on a MacBook Pro :)

caldavey
Dec 29, 2007, 03:40 PM
I'm just wondering, what kind of graphics update can we expect from the next refresh?

Could it be 8600 with 512mb?

Ya, I ask the same question. I really don't want to wait for a new MBP that has upgrades that I don't really care about I want the base model, nothing special, just a good graphics card.
So do you think that the new MBP will have a better gfx card? If so, then I think it's worth the wait.

aiterum
Dec 29, 2007, 03:56 PM
Ya, I ask the same question. I really don't want to wait for a new MBP that has upgrades that I don't really care about I want the base model, nothing special, just a good graphics card.
So do you think that the new MBP will have a better gfx card? If so, then I think it's worth the wait.

The most probable (if any update) to the MBP with the penryn push is possibly and increase of 256 for the base model, and 512 for the higher end models on the 8600GT platform.

8800 is very unlikely, as it has a much more demanding power pull, and would cause even more heat problems for the system. The 8700 from what I understand, is just an overclocked 8600, but I wouldn't put your money on that (and you will most likely be very dissapointed).

don't except anything crazy like SLI or something, because that would be pretty much impossible on the current case design, and OSX can't do anything with it (OSX is serious business)


Also, I really hope that they come with Esata ports too. Especially if it becomes bootable.

caldavey
Dec 29, 2007, 04:10 PM
So its worth the wait until the 15th (I think I don't really know when they are going to have Macworld or when they release it)?

evilyankeefan
Dec 29, 2007, 06:26 PM
So its worth the wait until the 15th (I think I don't really know when they are going to have Macworld or when they release it)?

Yes, wait until the 15th. It's too close to do otherwise unless you absolutely need something now.

barijazz
Dec 29, 2007, 06:29 PM
Does anyone know when This new macbook pro will be released? Macworld? Because I just bought my macbook pro about 1 month ago and although I'd normally be welcome to better graphics and some for of touch technology on it, but I'm gonna be pissed if Apple doesn't let me trade in.

babboxy
Dec 30, 2007, 01:05 PM
so the MBP is going penryn? good news...I guess that meens we can expect a penryn MacPro latest by the end of 2008 :rolleyes:

Sound Evolution
Dec 30, 2007, 04:11 PM
Is there any change for a new case design for the MPB?

With kind regards,
Bas

Eidorian
Dec 30, 2007, 04:13 PM
Is there any change for a new case design for the MPB?

With kind regards,
BasDoubtful...

vixapphire
Dec 30, 2007, 04:48 PM
think they'll have a blu-ray drive, at least as a bto option, this time out?

Eidorian
Dec 30, 2007, 04:49 PM
think they'll have a blu-ray drive, at least as a bto option, this time out?Doubtful...

thebeat
Dec 30, 2007, 11:19 PM
hey buddy, once i get my new MacBook Pro, I will never come back to Mac Forums or Apple.com website. Just don't look back cause you know another update will come soon again. Once you go Mac, you will look back. So lets not look back.

Eidorian
Dec 30, 2007, 11:36 PM
hey buddy, once i get my new MacBook Pro, I will never come back to Mac Forums or Apple.com website. Just don't look back cause you know another update will come soon again. Once you go Mac, you will look back. So lets not look back.Should I hold you to that? :p

diamond.g
Dec 31, 2007, 11:41 AM
It would be nice to see how they do 512 MB ram for the GPU. It seems like soldering the memory on the mobo makes doing doublesided RAM wafers a little bit hard (cooling wise). As it is now I would imagine all the GPU RAM is on one side. I think there should be 4 chips for RAM (each one being 64-bit accessed in pairs to come up with the 128bit bus). I guess 8 chips is easily doable on one side, but I am curious as to how much space the current GPU takes up on the mobo. Does anyone have shots of the mobo Apple uses for the MBP?

bushman1
Dec 31, 2007, 02:10 PM
In light of crent rumors about the sub noot book and the tablet mac if a penray macbookpro is still posible. It seems unlikly that it will be featured at mac world08.

Wild-Bill
Jan 1, 2008, 06:44 AM
The Mac Pro needs and deserves the Penryn technology before the frequently-updated Macbook Pro gets it.

Brianstorm91
Jan 1, 2008, 07:00 AM
Not all enough have the money for a MacPro, and some just need the portability.
The MacBook Pro deserves the update just as much; Apple has spent pretty much all of 2007 on its Mickey-Mouse consumer products.

Wild-Bill
Jan 1, 2008, 07:43 AM
Not all enough have the money for a MacPro, and some just need the portability.
The MacBook Pro deserves the update just as much; Apple has spent pretty much all of 2007 on its Mickey-Mouse consumer products.

While its true that Apple have spent an enormous amount of time on their mickey mouse consumer gadgetry, the Macbook Pro had the luxury of being updated in 2007. The Mac Pro has yet to be updated...

CWallace
Jan 1, 2008, 01:22 PM
Intel is delaying three Penryn Yorkfields - the Core 2 Quad Q9300, Q9450 and Q9550 - until closer to Q2 2008, so if Apple was planning to use those in Mac Pros, those machines will likely be delayed until next month or March.

Eidorian
Jan 1, 2008, 01:27 PM
Intel is delaying three Penryn Yorkfields - the Core 2 Quad Q9300, Q9450 and Q9550 - until closer to Q2 2008, so if Apple was planning to use those in Mac Pros, those machines will likely be delayed until next month or March.http://www.behardware.com/news/9305/explanations-for-the-delay-of-the-yorkfield.html

CWallace
Jan 1, 2008, 01:33 PM
http://www.behardware.com/news/9305/explanations-for-the-delay-of-the-yorkfield.html

So Apple might not be affected if they are using six-layer MBs and could still launch shipping product at MacWorld...

Eidorian
Jan 1, 2008, 01:36 PM
So Apple might not be affected if they are using six-layer MBs and could still launch shipping product at MacWorld...Server boards aren't cheap.

CWallace
Jan 1, 2008, 01:42 PM
Server boards aren't cheap.

Nope, but everyone is trying to cut costs. I've been having some grief with the systemboards on our hp xw6400 workstations as of late, so I wonder if they have moved to a four-layer PCB to cut costs.

SilentLoner
Jan 1, 2008, 01:48 PM
What price range you think these new mac book pro's will be? I am going to get rid of my two year old imac and might just get a macbook pro to compliment my macbook.

CWallace
Jan 1, 2008, 02:16 PM
What price range you think these new mac book pro's will be? I am going to get rid of my two year old imac and might just get a macbook pro to compliment my macbook.

I'm going to guess at similar to identical price points of the current line, just with more speed, memory, HDD capacity, and graphics power.

SilentLoner
Jan 1, 2008, 02:36 PM
I hope so, thats good :)

pamon
Jan 2, 2008, 07:52 PM
i'm holding off on speculation that the MBP gets updated yet. I can see an annoucement during Macworld but not immediate availability. Maybe june 08 release.

Brianstorm91
Jan 3, 2008, 01:12 PM
i'm holding off on speculation that the MBP gets updated yet. I can see an annoucement during Macworld but not immediate availability. Maybe june 08 release.

I'd probably commit murder and then buy a powerbook for a while I guess..
But that doesn't matter because there WILL be a new MBP available within 2 weeks!
:apple:!

thebeat
Jan 3, 2008, 11:33 PM
MacBook Pros will be updated.. June release is too far dude. And the prices will be identical because you never see them jack up the price for any of their MacBook Pros they release. Seriously, its expensive enough as it is... $2100CAD, about $2500-$2600 with tax.. that is crazy.

calabi
Jan 5, 2008, 06:59 AM
hey, i live in the uk, and was going to purchase the baseline model, but if i wait do you recon that the 2.4ghz penryn if release will be the same price as the lowest model? ie will i get more for my money!

Sannekita
Jan 5, 2008, 08:18 AM
I just hope they update the MPB a lot! Blow us away, Apple!

Brianstorm91
Jan 5, 2008, 11:33 AM
hey, i live in the uk, and was going to purchase the baseline model, but if i wait do you recon that the 2.4ghz penryn if release will be the same price as the lowest model? ie will i get more for my money!

If updated, the new low-end model will be the same price as the current low-end model.

hiimamac
Jan 6, 2008, 05:12 AM
I was considering a new Macbook Pro. I may just have to wait until January now.

Actually, if you have a MBP LED, any of those are fine, fine, fine for the next few years. The biggest update will be in a year plus...as in theory, Intel is so successful with their .45, that it is said, in theory, they could place 4 to 8 cores on one die. This will be the plus.

Also expect the new MBP to offer 20% increase (FPU/CPU) while giving as much as 2-3 extra hours of life. Also, when the flash drives become larger, we will see mere seconds to boot, and excellent for AUDIO SAMPLE work.

I just hope they keep the form factor the same so existing macbook users can upgrade.

Still, its quite upsetting that Apple (at least according to the new Macworld Rumors), there is STILL NO SUB $1000 machine with GOOD graphics, enough of this intel crap. Apple even crippled the latest macbook X300.

After Leopard, the macbooks rendered OpenGL from 150 (Xbench) to 170, then, after X300, it dropped to 85%, how pathetic. What are they afraid of? That the PROS will buy cheap machines for AUDIO/VIDEO? SPARE ME, the PRO user now makes up very little of Apples marketshare. Its all moms, strollers, crying kids and puppies in the stores. Have you seen it? Geesh, hardly anyone knows the Pro apps. Hope they get back to the core base someday.

Am happy that the 30" rip off is being replace by a $1200 30". Its about time.

Brianstorm91
Jan 6, 2008, 09:16 AM
Its all moms, strollers, crying kids and puppies in the stores. Have you seen it?

So true.. There seem to be low-end MacBooks aplenty nowadays.

NC MacGuy
Jan 6, 2008, 11:56 AM
Actually, if you have a MBP LED, any of those are fine, fine, fine for the next few years. The biggest update will be in a year plus...as in theory, Intel is so successful with their .45, that it is said, in theory, they could place 4 to 8 cores on one die. This will be the plus.

Also expect the new MBP to offer 20% increase (FPU/CPU) while giving as much as 2-3 extra hours of life. Also, when the flash drives become larger, we will see mere seconds to boot, and excellent for AUDIO SAMPLE work.

I just hope they keep the form factor the same so existing macbook users can upgrade.

Still, its quite upsetting that Apple (at least according to the new Macworld Rumors), there is STILL NO SUB $1000 machine with GOOD graphics, enough of this intel crap. Apple even crippled the latest macbook X300.

After Leopard, the macbooks rendered OpenGL from 150 (Xbench) to 170, then, after X300, it dropped to 85%, how pathetic. What are they afraid of? That the PROS will buy cheap machines for AUDIO/VIDEO? SPARE ME, the PRO user now makes up very little of Apples marketshare. Its all moms, strollers, crying kids and puppies in the stores. Have you seen it? Geesh, hardly anyone knows the Pro apps. Hope they get back to the core base someday.

Am happy that the 30" rip off is being replace by a $1200 30". Its about time.

Unfortunately, it's the moms, cheap kids and gadget users who are price sensitive apple is targeting these days. What has apple done computer wise really in the past year? Incremental upgrades, same chassis, blah, blah, blah.... Hopefully MW'08 will be better. This seems to be why they changed their name from apple COMPUTER to apple INC. Computers are now a sideline.

CWallace
Jan 6, 2008, 12:11 PM
Apple has always had much longer product life-cycles then the Windows PC companies. Since they do not use off-the-shelf enclosures for their products and they don't push raw volume, they must need a longer period of time to both recover their initial investment and make a nice return on top of it.

It was even worse before they moved to Intel, since they also had to (re)cover the cost of the PowerPC CPUs and their custom motherboards. At least with Intel, they can leverage the raw volume of CPUs and motherboards used in all the Windows PCs so that cost is recovered much, much quicker.

Apple could certainly push volume at the expense of style. But then we'd get things like Dell's XPS One instead of the Al iMac.

calabi
Jan 7, 2008, 01:01 AM
i actually cannot wait until macworld!! time is going so slowly! :(

iW00t
Jan 7, 2008, 04:48 AM
The Mac Pro needs and deserves the Penryn technology before the frequently-updated Macbook Pro gets it.

The Mac Pro with its 4 processors deserves nothing, the MacBook Pro in the fastest growing segment of the computer market deserves everything!

Actually, if you have a MBP LED, any of those are fine, fine, fine for the next few years. The biggest update will be in a year plus...as in theory, Intel is so successful with their .45, that it is said, in theory, they could place 4 to 8 cores on one die. This will be the plus.

Also expect the new MBP to offer 20% increase (FPU/CPU) while giving as much as 2-3 extra hours of life. Also, when the flash drives become larger, we will see mere seconds to boot, and excellent for AUDIO SAMPLE work.

I just hope they keep the form factor the same so existing macbook users can upgrade.

Still, its quite upsetting that Apple (at least according to the new Macworld Rumors), there is STILL NO SUB $1000 machine with GOOD graphics, enough of this intel crap. Apple even crippled the latest macbook X300.

After Leopard, the macbooks rendered OpenGL from 150 (Xbench) to 170, then, after X300, it dropped to 85%, how pathetic. What are they afraid of? That the PROS will buy cheap machines for AUDIO/VIDEO? SPARE ME, the PRO user now makes up very little of Apples marketshare. Its all moms, strollers, crying kids and puppies in the stores. Have you seen it? Geesh, hardly anyone knows the Pro apps. Hope they get back to the core base someday.

Am happy that the 30" rip off is being replace by a $1200 30". Its about time.

If any of what you said is true... about how they are crippling the GPU to make pro machines more attractive, then it is truly a sad thing to be a sucker for Apple don't you think?

CWallace
Jan 7, 2008, 11:32 AM
Intel launched the new mobile Penryns today - http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=410307

Brianstorm91
Jan 7, 2008, 11:45 AM
Indeed, I'm guessing at 2.4, 2.6 and 2.6 GHz for the 3 models of MBP (15", 15" and 17"), upgrading to 2.5, 2.8 and 2.8 GHz possibly?

bushman1
Jan 7, 2008, 03:28 PM
are there rely any other options?

Brianstorm91
Jan 7, 2008, 03:37 PM
It's rather limited but by looking at the table, the existing 2.4GHz chip has a cache of 4MB whereas the new will be 3MB, although I don't know what affect this will have.