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MacRumors
Sep 28, 2007, 02:40 PM
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Apple has added three new visualizers in the version of iTunes that is built into the latest build of leopard. The new visualizers are called Lathe, Jelly, and Stix.


http://images.macrumors.com/article/2007/09/28/lathe_300.jpg

Lathe: A floating fountain of particles that pulsate to bass (very responsive to bass drums)


http://images.macrumors.com/article/2007/09/28/jelly_300.jpg

Jelly: A quick moving kaleidoscope of multicolored bright LED-looking lights


http://images.macrumors.com/article/2007/09/28/stix_300.jpg

Stix: A streak of light that changes speed and color to the music and reflects on the "floor" of the visual.

Apple is expected to release Leopard in October.

Article Link (http://www.macrumors.com/2007/09/28/new-itunes-visualizers-in-leopard/)



yoman
Sep 28, 2007, 02:41 PM
They look pretty cool. :)

Benjamindaines
Sep 28, 2007, 02:41 PM
Awesome! Maybe these will come in the new version of iTunes as well...

psychofreak
Sep 28, 2007, 02:42 PM
Every time I hear something new about this awesome OS,my patience shrinks...luckily every day is a day closer :)

TheSpecialist
Sep 28, 2007, 02:43 PM
This is the feature that makes me buy Leopoard:D:D:D

The Specialist:apple:

lofight
Sep 28, 2007, 02:45 PM
wow cool! like it and will use it !

psychofreak
Sep 28, 2007, 02:46 PM
This is the feature that makes me buy Leopoard:D:D:D

Maybe not, but it adds to the OS, and together all the small things make people upgrade, and even switch to the Mac :)

patseguin
Sep 28, 2007, 02:47 PM
I'm excited about Leopard already, but what is the big deal with this?

reubs
Sep 28, 2007, 02:47 PM
Sounds like great "extras", but I'm not the type to use visualizers. Good for those who do, though!

dvkid
Sep 28, 2007, 02:47 PM
Awesome! Maybe these will come in the new version of iTunes as well...

iTunes updates between now and Leopard will simply be little bug fixes and adjustments to work with any new iPod or iPhone firmware updates. Not gonna be anything new on that front until "sometime in October."

twoodcc
Sep 28, 2007, 02:47 PM
Awesome! Maybe these will come in the new version of iTunes as well...

hopefully. seems pretty cool. looking forward to leopard ;)

Tsurisuto
Sep 28, 2007, 02:48 PM
I can't wait to try these... Come on Apple! At least give us a date to look forward to!

Peace
Sep 28, 2007, 02:49 PM
Sounds like great "extras", but I'm not the type to use visualizers. Good for those who do, though!

Tell ya what.When you have 4-6 spaces open and you're listening to iTunes the visualizer looks great when switching between spaces.Or when you have spaces open to all the different windows.

psychofreak
Sep 28, 2007, 02:50 PM
I can't wait to try these... Come on Apple! At least give us a date to look forward to!

Look to October 31st...you won't be disappointed :)

hotdamn
Sep 28, 2007, 02:50 PM
Sounds like great "extras", but I'm not the type to use visualizers. Good for those who do, though!

You mean you never had a bath with the mac set up next to you running some chill album (I recommend Planet of Ice by Minus The Bear) with the visualizer on?

Yeah me neither, men don't take baths!

milo
Sep 28, 2007, 02:51 PM
So why are people voting negative on this? :rolleyes:

Just another example of how worthless the ratings are on this site, might as well just get rid of them, they're completely meaningless.

lofight
Sep 28, 2007, 02:53 PM
hopefuly leopard will also have much more xtras , :p love it!

HLdan
Sep 28, 2007, 02:56 PM
I hope it stays Mac exclusive. Maybe I'm the only one but I just would like for Apple to put some Mac only features in iTunes. Microsoft always makes dumbed down versions of their Windows software for the Mac.

Squonk
Sep 28, 2007, 02:56 PM
Jelly ROCKS!!!!

And yet it looks nothing like Leopard spots. I'm good with that!

notsofatjames
Sep 28, 2007, 02:56 PM
has anyone noticed that the iTunes close, minimize, zoom buttons are the old dim buttons. Now i can compare them side by side, i prefer the new ones.

Benjamindaines
Sep 28, 2007, 02:57 PM
iTunes updates between now and Leopard will simply be little bug fixes and adjustments to work with any new iPod or iPhone firmware updates. Not gonna be anything new on that front until "sometime in October."

Perhaps, but they're not going to release a new Leopard-only version of iTunes. I'm saying I wonder if this is just a newer version of iTunes that the betas have that will later be released to Tiger as well or are these new visualizers going to only work with CoreAnimation (something only Leopard will have).

~Shard~
Sep 28, 2007, 02:57 PM
I haven't used Visualizers since my old PC and WinAmp days, as I always found them not "real" or accurate enough with respect to their timing and reflection of the music being played. I'm sure they've come a long way, so perhaps once I get Leopard and my new MacBook Pro I'll give these a try just for fun. ;)

Sandfleaz
Sep 28, 2007, 02:57 PM
Must be a slow news day! :cool:

xBerserker
Sep 28, 2007, 02:58 PM
I remember last year when they demoed some features of Leopard one of them is better text to voice, more natural sounding, etc. Is that still in? They haven't mentioned it since. :confused:

Lepton
Sep 28, 2007, 02:59 PM
There's this cool app called Quartz Composer in the current developer tools. You can make amazing animations that play in QuickTime Player and as screen savers in the current OS. They can even sense inputs such as audio and react to them. You can find websites full of these compositions now. Wouldn't it be cool if such compositions could hook into iTunes somehow, someday? Just speculatin'

dvkid
Sep 28, 2007, 02:59 PM
So why are people voting negative on this? :rolleyes:

Just another example of how worthless the ratings are on this site, might as well just get rid of them, they're completely meaningless.

I agree. Or at least they should be limited to only appearing on rumors, not factual posts like this. Maybe they could even be limited to a certain post count before you can vote up or down?

badcrumble
Sep 28, 2007, 02:59 PM
Doesn't iTunes only have one visualizer right now? How do we switch to different ones in the prefs, and will it be possible for people to more easily write their own visualizer plugins, much like screensavers?

Also, where the heck are those Leopard screensavers that have been removed in recent builds?

Benjamindaines
Sep 28, 2007, 02:59 PM
I hope it stays Mac exclusive. Maybe I'm the only one but I just would like for Apple to put some Mac only features in iTunes. Microsoft always makes dumbed down versions of their Windows software for the Mac.

That's a HORRIBLE idea, especially when you consider that most of iTunes market share is on PCs (overall, obviously 100% of Macs come with iTunes). Be satisfied that iTunes is a really nice app on the Mac, it's pretty bad on PC.

dvkid
Sep 28, 2007, 03:01 PM
Also, where the heck are those Leopard screensavers that have been removed in recent builds?

Wouldn't be surprised if Apple had pulled them to keep too many photos and videos of them from floating around. Or even the Quartz Composer files from being released. We'll probably see them back on the gold master when our discs arrive sometime next month. (Gotta keep the optimism.)

BTW
Sep 28, 2007, 03:01 PM
The Jelly one should be called Steve's RDF. Looks neat'o though!

psychofreak
Sep 28, 2007, 03:02 PM
Be satisfied that iTunes is a really nice app on the Mac, it's pretty bad on PC.

Maybe so, but its still my favourite Windows music app...

kungming2
Sep 28, 2007, 03:03 PM
I remember last year when they demoed some features of Leopard one of them is better text to voice, more natural sounding, etc. Is that still in? They haven't mentioned it since. :confused:

It's still there. See here: http://www.apple.com/macosx/leopard/features/accessibility.html :)

offwidafairies
Sep 28, 2007, 03:03 PM
I really like Jelly. And I use visualisers on my PC in WMP and WinAmp, but why has this feature taken so long to reach Apple?

Just bells and whistles. I think its cool. But not particularly exciting. And nothing to write home about.

HLdan
Sep 28, 2007, 03:04 PM
That's a HORRIBLE idea, especially when you consider that most of iTunes market share is on PCs (overall, obviously 100% of Macs come with iTunes). Be satisfied that iTunes is a really nice app on the Mac, it's pretty bad on PC.

I don't want to make this a Mac vs. PC thing but iTunes was Mac only from the beginning and it IS an Apple software program so it should have Mac exclusive features. That's how you increase Mac sales. What's Microsoft's excuse for the laughable crap they make on the Mac? They always make sure it's better on Windows.

~Shard~
Sep 28, 2007, 03:04 PM
I really like Jelly. And I use visualisers on my PC in WMP and WinAmp, but why has this feature taken so long to reach Apple?

For the record, I believe visualizers have been available in iTunes for quite some time, it's just that these are new ones.

psychofreak
Sep 28, 2007, 03:05 PM
I don't want to make this a Mac vs. PC thing but iTunes was Mac only from the beginning and it IS an Apple software program so it should have Mac exclusive features. That's how you increase Mac sales. What's Microsoft's excuse for the laughable crap they make on the Mac? They always make sure it's better on Windows.

Its a different game: Microsoft aren't really going after Mac users, trying to make them switch, but rather to deter Windows users from switching to the Mac...

~Shard~
Sep 28, 2007, 03:06 PM
What's Microsoft's excuse for the laughable crap they make on the Mac? They always make sure it's better on Windows.

Just remember the beginnings of Office though... :p :cool:

But yes, I know that was a long time ago... ;)

MrCrowbar
Sep 28, 2007, 03:07 PM
Wow, this took a while to get out there. Makes sense tho... who wants to build up an iTunes library every few days when a new build is out.

dvkid
Sep 28, 2007, 03:07 PM
There's this cool app called Quartz Composer in the current developer tools. You can make amazing animations that play in QuickTime Player and as screen savers in the current OS. They can even sense inputs such as audio and react to them. You can find websites full of these compositions now. Wouldn't it be cool if such compositions could hook into iTunes somehow, someday? Just speculatin'

Don't be shocked to see this happening in Leopard. In fact I'd suspect that the very visualizers we are talking about right now are build in QC making use of new QC modules brought on by the Leopard-only CoreAnimation that can combo with CoreVideo and CoreAudio to create even more reactive and fluid visualizers. I have built several visualizers in QC for use during live shows and never understood why Apple would use GForce for visualizing rather than their own design.

xBerserker
Sep 28, 2007, 03:08 PM
It's still there. See here: http://www.apple.com/macosx/leopard/features/accessibility.html :)

Yay, I use that from time to time. But I hope they keep the old voices in, so classics, lol. :apple:

dvkid
Sep 28, 2007, 03:08 PM
Perhaps, but they're not going to release a new Leopard-only version of iTunes. I'm saying I wonder if this is just a newer version of iTunes that the betas have that will later be released to Tiger as well or are these new visualizers going to only work with CoreAnimation (something only Leopard will have).

Perhaps. But if the Leopard interface is as scalable and flexible as we all hope (I am not and ADC member and thus haven't played with it yet) than I'm assuming the iTunes would have to be Leopard specific.

pagansoul
Sep 28, 2007, 03:09 PM
I currently have 3 or 4 visualizers (free versions) that I use so I feel it's not a waste. I would love to see something like my old 'Groove Thing' which I still play with. I bet that program is over 10 years old :p It let you interact with certain shapes and sounds to create an 80's-like psycho/peter maxish landscape. Great fun for a few minutes but very very limited by todays standards. It was done by Big Top.

~Shard~
Sep 28, 2007, 03:10 PM
Wow, this took a while to get out there. Makes sense tho...

Again, iTunes has had visualizer functionality for quite some time already - this is nothing truly new.

who wants to build up an iTunes library every few days when a new build is out.

I 'm not sure I understand what you mean. :confused: Just because Apple releases a new version of iTunes does not mean you need to rebuild your library from scratch each time. If it did, I would be mighty ticked off being that I've been using the thing since iTunes 3 or so! :p ;) :D

dvkid
Sep 28, 2007, 03:10 PM
I hope it stays Mac exclusive. Maybe I'm the only one but I just would like for Apple to put some Mac only features in iTunes. Microsoft always makes dumbed down versions of their Windows software for the Mac.

Perhaps, but the iTunes platform is a great means of introducing the Apple way of doing things to Windows users. Through iTunes, iPhone and Touch, and the iPod so many people are encountering Apple's style on a daily basis that is sure to make for some inroads towards a larger user base.

InLikeALion
Sep 28, 2007, 03:11 PM
So why are people voting negative on this? :rolleyes:

Just another example of how worthless the ratings are on this site, might as well just get rid of them, they're completely meaningless.

I don't know why people are voting negative.

But I do know that I enjoy that we have a rating/feedback system. It is not something concrete that you could use as statistics or evidence for something, but its still a way to have some sort of community interaction. Plus, you can tell more about users reactions to stories before heading on into the forum discussion.

So why are people voting negative on the rating system?

xJulianx
Sep 28, 2007, 03:11 PM
You mean you never had a bath with the mac set up next to you running some chill album (I recommend Planet of Ice by Minus The Bear) with the visualizer on?

Yeah me neither, men don't take baths!

Wow a Minus the Bear fan, off topic I know but Ice Monster has to be my favorite track from the new album..although Highly Refined Pirates is still my favorite album.

Anyway, visualizations, personally...never used them, but it's nice to see some new things for Leopard.

sblasl
Sep 28, 2007, 03:12 PM
MultiPlan?;)

Just remember the beginnings of Office though... :p :cool:

But yes, I know that was a long time ago... ;)

Darkroom
Sep 28, 2007, 03:12 PM
wooooo... pretty!

~Shard~
Sep 28, 2007, 03:14 PM
MultiPlan?;)

Actually I remember VisiCalc :D but I was more referring to how it wasn't until version 3 that Office was released on PC. ;) :cool:

MacsRgr8
Sep 28, 2007, 03:19 PM
Maybe not, but it adds to the OS, and together all the small things make people upgrade, and even switch to the Mac :)

Switching to the Mac is always an upgrade.

Luap
Sep 28, 2007, 03:19 PM
At least 2 of these effects were in 9a527. Maybe all 3. Very slick though :cool: And very responsive too. More so even than the good ol standard iTunes visualiser.
I tried to get them to work in Tiger, but no joy. Oh well, I can wait :)

EricBrian
Sep 28, 2007, 03:28 PM
No, really, does anybody even use these 'visualizers?'

winstano
Sep 28, 2007, 03:28 PM
Do these play in full resolution in Full Screen mode? That's been bugging the crap out of me for so long... A lot of the time I just wanna set the MacBook going through my TV/stereo with a nice visualizer going, but no, it looks terrible due to the resolution in full screen...

jaredtorres
Sep 28, 2007, 03:32 PM
My predictions based off previous announcements and release dates for OS X:

Apple will announce on Thursday, October 11 that Leopard will be available on Friday, October 26.

BillyShears
Sep 28, 2007, 03:32 PM
I agree. Or at least they should be limited to only appearing on rumors, not factual posts like this. Maybe they could even be limited to a certain post count before you can vote up or down?

I like the ratings. Sometimes when I glance over a news item, I think, "Oh that's good/terrible." Then I see the rating as the opposite (or split) and decide to read the topic, which I otherwise wouldn't, just to see why some people are voting the opposite from me.

Of course you sometimes have to ignore a few votes for it to make sense, and generally there has to be a large enough sample for it to make sense (If there's only 3 ratings, and it's 2:1, it doesn't really mean anything).

One reason I can think of for not liking more visualizers is the idea that, "This is what they've been working on? Can't they devote resources elsewhere?"

Anyway, if you don't find ratings useful, can't you just ignore them?

CoreWeb
Sep 28, 2007, 03:35 PM
Look to October 31st...you won't be disappointed :)

The default desktop picture will be a jack-o-lantern.

crees!
Sep 28, 2007, 03:39 PM
I have to say, I do not understand the point behind visualizers. When I listen to music I'm doing something away from the computer or being (somewhat) productive on the computer; not staring at some image going cross-eyed. I guess I'm getting too old.

narco
Sep 28, 2007, 03:41 PM
For someone who stares at iTunes visualizers for hours for - ahem - God knows what reason, this is fantastic news. To hell with Time Machine, it's all about Jelly.

Fishes,
narco.

zombitronic
Sep 28, 2007, 03:42 PM
I heard that this version of iTunes comes with a free bag of peyote.

CaryMacGuy
Sep 28, 2007, 03:46 PM
Ok, visualizations are pretty cool. However, that is not what I want to see in the next version of iTunes. I want to see the full screen cover flow functionality really expanded. I really don't understand why the full screen cover flow doesn't allow you to click on the album art, flip it over, and find your song. To me, that is a no-brainer. Hopefully, that will happen for iTunes. If that did happen, I don't think I would use the regular library for listening to music again. Similiarly, on the iPod, I don't use the old iPod menus. I use cover flow to browse and listen to my music...It is really the only way.

Manatee
Sep 28, 2007, 03:47 PM
Nice... But since it doesn't appear to bring me closer to running 3rd party business apps on my iPhone, I can live without it.

bug67
Sep 28, 2007, 03:51 PM
So why are people voting negative on this? :rolleyes:

Just another example of how worthless the ratings are on this site, might as well just get rid of them, they're completely meaningless.

Look, I'm a huge Mac fan. Have been since I switched long, long ago. One area I have always felt iTunes lacking is in it's included visualizer. In my opinion, nothing will EVER come close to MilkDrop for WinAmp. While it's nice for Apple to include more visualizers in iTunes, I don't see anything positive about them. The look to me to be generally boring and in no way an actual improvement. And, like I said before, NOTHING can do better than MilkDrop. This is all my opinion though and we all know what they say about opinions:p

/dev/toaster
Sep 28, 2007, 03:59 PM
I remember last year when they demoed some features of Leopard one of them is better text to voice, more natural sounding, etc. Is that still in? They haven't mentioned it since. :confused:

I haven't seen it in any seeds, I was actually wondering this the other day.

psychofreak
Sep 28, 2007, 04:04 PM
I haven't seen it in any seeds, I was actually wondering this the other day.
Think Secret's gallery (http://www.thinksecret.com/archives/leopard9a559/) shows options for it :)

http://www.thinksecret.com/archives/leopard9a559/image/voiceover-utility03.jpg

motulist
Sep 28, 2007, 04:10 PM
Y'know, for a really long time you've been able to add extra itunes visualizer plug ins (http://www.versiontracker.com/php/qs.php?mode=basic&action=search&str=itunes+visualizer&srchArea=macosx&submit=Go). Some of them are even cooler than the built in iTunes visualizers!

ct-scan
Sep 28, 2007, 04:22 PM
So could this be the real reson why Leopard's release date was pushed back to October?? All the developers were on acid watching Jelly (which is a little too obvious of a drug reference)
;-)

NOV
Sep 28, 2007, 04:26 PM
So why are people voting negative on this? :rolleyes:



Because they want Apple to work on Mac Pro's instead of Visualizers?

;)

iJawn108
Sep 28, 2007, 04:30 PM
and one more thing... quick time 8


*hoping hoping hoping*

phytonix
Sep 28, 2007, 04:30 PM
So... are these the secret features of Leopard?

milo
Sep 28, 2007, 04:38 PM
Because they want Apple to work on Mac Pro's instead of Visualizers?

;)

Yeah, I guess there are plenty of idiots that think things like that - if they only would stop work on silly things like visualizers, the hardware and software would all be SO much better. 'cause there's just one team at apple that works on everything.
:rolleyes:

Schnebar
Sep 28, 2007, 04:38 PM
would be cool if you could use these on iPhones and itouches

Benjamindaines
Sep 28, 2007, 04:45 PM
I don't want to make this a Mac vs. PC thing but iTunes was Mac only from the beginning and it IS an Apple software program so it should have Mac exclusive features. That's how you increase Mac sales. What's Microsoft's excuse for the laughable crap they make on the Mac? They always make sure it's better on Windows.

With Microsoft it's completely reversed, their Mac market share is so low compared to their PC market share, they don't want to put all the effort into developing Mac software. Look what happened in the case of Media Player, as soon as someone made something that did the same thing, MS dropped Media Player and officially supported Flip4Mac.

I still fail to see any reason Apple should make Mac-Only features in iTunes, they have enough Mac-Only stuff with iLife.

JGowan
Sep 28, 2007, 04:51 PM
I believe that there's still hope that Leopard is going to release with some features that no one's seen outside of the software labs at Apple. Some might scoff because "how could Apple just release stuff that's not been beta tested?" They just could... bug fix 'em later.

psychofreak
Sep 28, 2007, 04:54 PM
I believe that there's still hope that Leopard is going to release with some features that no one's seen outside of the software labs at Apple. Some might scoff because "how could Apple just release stuff that's been beta tested?" They just could... bug fix 'em later.

I don't think so, maybe a new scrollbar here and a checkbox there, but thats all...

CJD2112
Sep 28, 2007, 05:00 PM
Do these play in full resolution in Full Screen mode? That's been bugging the crap out of me for so long... A lot of the time I just wanna set the MacBook going through my TV/stereo with a nice visualizer going, but no, it looks terrible due to the resolution in full screen...

Yup. They play in full screen mode. The first one, lathe, looks like it responds primarily to the bass in the song like a subwoofer and seems to take place ina doomed like room. The last one, stix, is pretty cool, especially as it reflects off a mirrored floor like coverflow.

Side note, when I hit the F key while the visualizer is on, a very small number in the far bottom left hand corner appears, and changes rapidly between 29-31. Don't know what that is. Any thoughts?

Wayfarer
Sep 28, 2007, 05:06 PM
Ah, some Core Animation at work! This is a sign of more great things to come.

arn
Sep 28, 2007, 05:07 PM
Side note, when I hit the F key while the visualizer is on, a very small number in the far bottom left hand corner appears, and changes rapidly between 29-31. Don't know what that is. Any thoughts?

FPS (Frames per second)

arn

cal6n
Sep 28, 2007, 05:12 PM
Yup. They play in full screen mode. The first one, lathe, looks like it responds primarily to the bass in the song like a subwoofer and seems to take place ina doomed like room. The last one, stix, is pretty cool, especially as it reflects off a mirrored floor like coverflow.

Side note, when I hit the F key while the visualizer is on, a very small number in the far bottom left hand corner appears, and changes rapidly between 29-31. Don't know what that is. Any thoughts?

"F" is for "Frame Rate"

CJD2112
Sep 28, 2007, 05:16 PM
"F" is for "Frame Rate"

DOLT :o thanks!

atp
Sep 28, 2007, 05:21 PM
Cool, new Mac OS 10.5. New icons, desktop pictures and iTunes visualizers.:eek:

motulist
Sep 28, 2007, 05:26 PM
[the visualizer's frame rate] changes rapidly between 29-31... Any thoughts?


Do you have the iTunes visualizer frame rate preference set to cap the frame rate at 30 frames per second? Or is it just that you're running older hardware and it's just coincidental that it happens to be maxing out at 30 fps? Because higher frame rates really do make the visualizer look smoother and more trippy.

ppdix
Sep 28, 2007, 05:26 PM
I hope they are smart enough to make them work on multiple monitors. The current visualizer only works on the main screen where the menu bar is.:confused:

motulist
Sep 28, 2007, 05:33 PM
I hope they are smart enough to make them work on multiple monitors. The current visualizer only works on the main screen where the menu bar is.:confused:

No, I believe there's a way to change that. iirc, all you have to do is drag the less-than-full-screen visualizer window over to the second monitor, then select to go full screen and it'll be on the 2nd monitor. (I know there's a way to do it, but the method I described above is iirc)

edit: or maybe I just did it by turning on mirrored desktop.

daneoni
Sep 28, 2007, 05:53 PM
i hate Leopard.

voidptr
Sep 28, 2007, 05:54 PM
There's this cool app called Quartz Composer in the current developer tools. You can make amazing animations that play in QuickTime Player and as screen savers in the current OS. They can even sense inputs such as audio and react to them. You can find websites full of these compositions now. Wouldn't it be cool if such compositions could hook into iTunes somehow, someday? Just speculatin'

It's called iVisualize, and it's been around for a while:
http://web.mac.com/vogelbusch/Site/iVisualize.html

twoodcc
Sep 28, 2007, 05:57 PM
i hate Leopard.

don't say such things :eek:

psychofreak
Sep 28, 2007, 05:57 PM
i hate Leopard.

Care to expand on that?

Genghis Khan
Sep 28, 2007, 06:09 PM
core animation:cool:

can't wait to see what else apple can do with it:)

Chupa Chupa
Sep 28, 2007, 06:25 PM
Woooooo. iTunes visualizers. :rolleyes:

Just give us Leopard already. Enough with the cheap parlor tricks.

ariza910
Sep 28, 2007, 06:44 PM
There's this cool app called Quartz Composer in the current developer tools. You can make amazing animations that play in QuickTime Player and as screen savers in the current OS. They can even sense inputs such as audio and react to them. You can find websites full of these compositions now. Wouldn't it be cool if such compositions could hook into iTunes somehow, someday? Just speculatin'

The Soundstream screen saver is one of my favorite screensavers in OSX becuase it reacts with sound input. Pretty sure it was created with Quartz Composer - works well in OSX 10.3 and up

http://www.pcheese.net/software/soundstream/

bug67
Sep 28, 2007, 07:02 PM
Side note, when I hit the F key while the visualizer is on, a very small number in the far bottom left hand corner appears, and changes rapidly between 29-31. Don't know what that is. Any thoughts?

Frame rate.

Malarkey
Sep 28, 2007, 07:07 PM
The default visualizer that comes with the current/recent version(s) of iTunes is horrible. It may have been cool in 1996, but...

For a really cool music visualizer, try the one that comes with the Xbox 360. Even the one that came with the original Playstation was more interesting than Apple's. And both the gaming consoles let you tweak it as it was playing. Why doesn't Apple have something like that?

CJD2112
Sep 28, 2007, 07:15 PM
Do you have the iTunes visualizer frame rate preference set to cap the frame rate at 30 frames per second? Or is it just that you're running older hardware and it's just coincidental that it happens to be maxing out at 30 fps? Because higher frame rates really do make the visualizer look smoother and more trippy.

I'n running Leopard 9A599 on a Mac Pro 2.66 with 8 GB RAM, so I hope it's not my system as it should be more than capable in running a visualizer in iTunes. I noticed it was a bit choppy. I wonder why...

matthewHUB
Sep 28, 2007, 07:29 PM
Is it just me or does anyone else not use vizualisations? i can't stand them! what exactly is the point for them? You listen to music either while you're doing something on your computer or away from your computer... so why stare at a screen of junk?

M

HLdan
Sep 28, 2007, 07:32 PM
With Microsoft it's completely reversed, their Mac market share is so low compared to their PC market share, they don't want to put all the effort into developing Mac software. Look what happened in the case of Media Player, as soon as someone made something that did the same thing, MS dropped Media Player and officially supported Flip4Mac.

I still fail to see any reason Apple should make Mac-Only features in iTunes, they have enough Mac-Only stuff with iLife.

Okay, you sound like more like a PC user because that's the type of defensive answer a PC user would give. If you were a true Mac user (and I don't mean using a Mac to run Windows and occasionally playing around with OS X) you would understand.
Leopard will be big and with marketshare for the Mac being small how do you expect Apple to get Windows users to switch if Apple gives all their proprietary software to Windows with the exact same features as the Mac and expect people to look the Mac way, it just doesn't happen.

I have co-workers tell me all the time, "I would have switched to the Mac but now Apple has given us some of their software I don't need to".

One of the reasons we are still sorta tethered to Windows is because Microsoft has dominated and dumbed down the Mac software making it useless for Mac users.
It would be a great business practice for Apple's iTunes, Quicktime and Safari to have Mac only features.

motulist
Sep 28, 2007, 07:46 PM
I'n running Leopard 9A599 on a Mac Pro 2.66 with 8 GB RAM, so I hope it's not my system as it should be more than capable in running a visualizer in iTunes. I noticed it was a bit choppy. I wonder why...



In iTunes go view > visualizer > options, then make sure "cap frame rate at 30 fps" is unchecked. If that doesn't work then try checking and or unchecking the "Use OpenGL" option. If that doesn't work then open up activity monitor, make sure it's set to show all processes, and see if any processes are stealing a lot of your cpu power. If none of that works then you can check off the "faster but rougher display option" in the visualizer prefs.

But unless you're running a very high resolution monitor, there's absolutely no reason why your computer shouldn't be able to do a high frame rate with all the bells and whistles. If you aren't able to get a good frame rate on an average sized monitor then I'd interpret that as a symptom of a larger problem and or a major loss of computing power somewhere. Are all your cpu cores appearing in your utilities?

Edit: I just saw you're using a leopard beta. Maybe the relevant system components just haven't had their final optimizations done yet.

CJD2112
Sep 28, 2007, 07:55 PM
In iTunes go view > visualizer > options, then make sure "cap frame rate at 30 fps" is unchecked. If that doesn't work then try checking and or unchecking the "Use OpenGL" option. If that doesn't work then open up activity monitor, make sure it's set to show all processes, and see if any processes are stealing a lot of your cpu power. If none of that works then you can check off the "faster but rougher display option" in the visualizer prefs.

Got it, "cap frame rate at 30 fps" was checked. Never really used visualizer before so didn't think to check if for any options. Thanks!

motulist
Sep 28, 2007, 07:58 PM
Got it, "cap frame rate at 30 fps" was checked. Never really used visualizer before so didn't think to check if for any options. Thanks!

You're welcome. I bet it looks a lot better now. Your virtual acid trip will now be even trippier! :eek: :D

kainjow
Sep 28, 2007, 08:22 PM
core animation:cool:

can't wait to see what else apple can do with it:)

Ah, some Core Animation at work! This is a sign of more great things to come.

Don't be so quick to assume...

caccamolle
Sep 28, 2007, 08:28 PM
macrumors ... are you serious ?

is this news ? rumors ?

omatic
Sep 28, 2007, 08:33 PM
Who cares about some dumb visualizers? When am I going to hear more about resolution independence, that which was such a popular topic months ago and still is one of the big deal-breakers for me when thinking about Leopard?

Benjamindaines
Sep 28, 2007, 08:41 PM
Okay, you sound like more like a PC user because that's the type of defensive answer a PC user would give. If you were a true Mac user (and I don't mean using a Mac to run Windows and occasionally playing around with OS X) you would understand.
Leopard will be big and with marketshare for the Mac being small how do you expect Apple to get Windows users to switch if Apple gives all their proprietary software to Windows with the exact same features as the Mac and expect people to look the Mac way, it just doesn't happen.

I have co-workers tell me all the time, "I would have switched to the Mac but now Apple has given us some of their software I don't need to".

One of the reasons we are still sorta tethered to Windows is because Microsoft has dominated and dumbed down the Mac software making it useless for Mac users.
It would be a great business practice for Apple's iTunes, Quicktime and Safari to have Mac only features.

So as soon as I take a position that defends reasonable development decisions I become a PC user? Hmm... Alright. Honestly, who do you know (and I don't mean someone might) that would switch to a Mac because iTunes has a few extra features? People should be switching because the Mac has much higher quality hardware and the software actually works the way it's intended to. Not because Z0MG ITUNEZ HAS N3W F3ATURES!!!11!1!1

aafuss1
Sep 28, 2007, 08:54 PM
Will these be Leopard-only, or be in a upcoming iTunes update?

Ben Logan
Sep 28, 2007, 09:34 PM
Actually I remember VisiCalc :D but I was more referring to how it wasn't until version 3 that Office was released on PC. ;) :cool:

Hey Hey! VisiCalc. I'm from your era. :)

MikeTheC
Sep 28, 2007, 10:06 PM
No, really, does anybody even use these 'visualizers?'

Nope, not at all. When I run iTunes, it's in the background while I'm actually *doing something* with my computer, such as, oh I dunno, email, messaging, connecting something to my USB bus (http://armageddontheseries.dyndns.org/tardisusbhubinaction01.avi), surfing the web, working on my multi-volume writing project, editing images in Photoshop, or otherwise striving to actually be productive.

I'm not sure -- and I've never really been -- what place or role visualizers have in my life.

~Shard~
Sep 28, 2007, 10:49 PM
Hey Hey! VisiCalc. I'm from your era. :)

Haha, well maybe more like my brother's - I was pretty young when he brought home my first computer ever - our Apple //e. But I remember everything quite well! ;) :cool:

bretm
Sep 28, 2007, 11:03 PM
I have a 5month old baby boy that loves watching the visualizer. He just sits and stares. He'll be excited about this announcement, although he'll be 6 months old when it comes out. Sad he has to wait 1/5th of his lifetime for it's release.

bretm
Sep 28, 2007, 11:05 PM
Who cares about some dumb visualizers? When am I going to hear more about resolution independence, that which was such a popular topic months ago and still is one of the big deal-breakers for me when thinking about Leopard?

I believe that was probably actually for the iphone. It's whole zoom interface is pretty much based on that.

samh004
Sep 28, 2007, 11:20 PM
The default visualizer that comes with the current/recent version(s) of iTunes is horrible. It may have been cool in 1996, but...

For a really cool music visualizer, try the one that comes with the Xbox 360. Even the one that came with the original Playstation was more interesting than Apple's. And both the gaming consoles let you tweak it as it was playing. Why doesn't Apple have something like that?

You can't change it because Apple thinks they know best when it comes to the look and feel of your computer. Letting you change the settings too much might make your computer look bad to someone and thus them lose a potential sale.

I say again, your merely looking after your Apple purchase, enticing other would-be buyers to get one, you don't own it!! :p

Stridder44
Sep 28, 2007, 11:22 PM
i hate Leopard.


In soviet russia, leopard hates you.

EagerDragon
Sep 28, 2007, 11:35 PM
Over 100 posts about a visualizer????
wow

aristotle
Sep 28, 2007, 11:42 PM
With Microsoft it's completely reversed, their Mac market share is so low compared to their PC market share, they don't want to put all the effort into developing Mac software. Look what happened in the case of Media Player, as soon as someone made something that did the same thing, MS dropped Media Player and officially supported Flip4Mac.

I still fail to see any reason Apple should make Mac-Only features in iTunes, they have enough Mac-Only stuff with iLife.
I'm sorry but Flip4mac is no substitute for real first party support. It does not support DRM and is still slow compared to native Quicktime codecs or Windows media player on windows using the same hardware especially when playing back 1080p content. I ended up purchasing the commercial version of Flip4mac so that I could export the WMV files as native AVC .mov or .mp4 files.

MSFT has also stripped out support for VB macros in of Office for Mac 2008 which leaves people having to depend on either VMWare or Neo Office for Office 2007 compatibility and vb macro support.

I don't think you are aware of how iLife and iTunes for OS X are intertwined. You can use DRM'd purchased songs in iLife applications but there is no facility to use DRM'd songs in any windows applications.

I don't have a problem with Apple favouring the Apple version a bit especially if adding certain features to the windows version were cost prohibitive to support.

HLdan
Sep 29, 2007, 12:14 AM
Honestly, who do you know (and I don't mean someone might) that would switch to a Mac because iTunes has a few extra features? People should be switching because the Mac has much higher quality hardware and the software actually works the way it's intended to. Not because Z0MG ITUNEZ HAS N3W F3ATURES!!!11!1!1

Um Yeah! Ya know why? Microsoft makes Entourage for the Mac and Outlook on Windows. Why Entourage on Mac? It's their way of making it look like the Mac gets an exclusive version of Outlook when it's just a dumbed down version and is not good for corporate use. Just another way to give Windows the upper hand and keep people from switching.
It's a good business practice for Apple having the iLife Suite. It would be a very big mistake for them to release that on Windows and it will never happen. All of Apple's software especially the ones shared on the Windows platform should definitely favor the Mac in features, it's Apple's computer, OS and software. I'm not sure why you would find that ridiculous?

People stay on Windows because they tend to be forced to because of one or two features on certain software that the Mac equivalents don't offer. Inuit's Quicken is a big example.

Yes, exclusive Mac only features in iTunes can make people switch especially since the Windows version sucks so much.

krgermane
Sep 29, 2007, 12:25 AM
I don't usually post but I have to comment on what the visualizer is for. An iMac with iTunes and an Airport Express is the ideal party jukebox, isn't it?

Zer0
Sep 29, 2007, 12:38 AM
yay... 3 more features on leopard that i wont be using :rolleyes:

TurboSC
Sep 29, 2007, 12:45 AM
lol slow news day indeed.

I dunno I think they could develop something way beyond what visualizers are with the kind of hardware everyone's rocking these days...

oh well, they're still nice and subtle, very soothing

Arcady
Sep 29, 2007, 12:55 AM
People stay on Windows because they tend to be forced to because of one or two features on certain software that the Mac equivalents don't offer.

I thought I had convinced one of our office groups to switch over to the Mac. They were all ready to make the jump, until they found out that Office on the Mac does not have Access. That alone was a deal-breaker for them.

I guess I will continue making trips over there to remove viruses and such...

pooryou
Sep 29, 2007, 01:02 AM
The default visualizer that comes with the current/recent version(s) of iTunes is horrible. It may have been cool in 1996, but...

For a really cool music visualizer, try the one that comes with the Xbox 360. Even the one that came with the original Playstation was more interesting than Apple's. And both the gaming consoles let you tweak it as it was playing. Why doesn't Apple have something like that?


Actually the visualizer that comes with the Xbox 360 SUCKS! Which is really disappointing because it had a lot of promise, and was developed by classic game designer Jeff Minter. But he must be colorblind or something because it looks like a little kid that mixed all his fingerpaints together. Extremely ugly, there is no sense of color palettes at all, it just randomly cycles through all the colors in a highly unappealing way. I would say the iTunes visualizer actually blows it away (unfortunately, because it shouldn't). The iTunes visualizer is based on an old verison of G-Force, and it actually does have realtime controls. Not the same as the Xbox one, but you can change things while it's running from the keyboard.

G-Force blows them all away and is truly excellent, and it runs perfectly in iTunes. And for people who don't know what visualizers are good for, try putting G-Force on your plasma screen while your kicking some tunes at a party and your friends will love it. Unless you have boring friends that is ;)

synth3tik
Sep 29, 2007, 01:08 AM
Well looks like Apple is also trying to meet the demand of stoners too.

pooryou
Sep 29, 2007, 01:09 AM
You can't change it because Apple thinks they know best when it comes to the look and feel of your computer. Letting you change the settings too much might make your computer look bad to someone and thus them lose a potential sale.

You can change it. And you can install a whole new visualizer. It's a supported API and there are controls right in iTunes to choose which visualizer you want to use....

pooryou
Sep 29, 2007, 01:10 AM
Well looks like Apple is also trying to meet the demand of stoners too.

Apple was created by stoners, in case you didn't know.

redAPPLE
Sep 29, 2007, 02:08 AM
wow cool! like it and will use it !

honestly never understood visualizers. why use it?

this is not a negative response nor a negative vote to the thread.

i just don't see the point.

MacFly123
Sep 29, 2007, 02:10 AM
No, really, does anybody even use these 'visualizers?'

NOPE! I have NEVER used them lol. I guess DJs might use them for parties. That's the only thing I can think of unless you are enjoying them while you are on drugs. :p

ebouwman
Sep 29, 2007, 02:20 AM
yay... 3 more features on leopard that i wont be using :rolleyes:

i agree, although they do look really cool :rolleyes:
still most likely won't use it though

Windowlicker
Sep 29, 2007, 02:37 AM
So does someone still use visualizers? I thought they were already a thing of the past...

Sekkyumu
Sep 29, 2007, 03:49 AM
I made a little video of these new visualizers. Here it is ! (~50mb) (http://tinyurl.com/2ssbl7)

It looks like it's slow (probably because of video capture) but it runs very smoothly in fact ! :)

BKKbill
Sep 29, 2007, 03:54 AM
yay... 3 more features on leopard that i wont be using :rolleyes:

I agree.

Darkroom
Sep 29, 2007, 03:58 AM
I made a little video of these new visualizers. Here it is ! (~50mb) (http://tinyurl.com/2ssbl7)

It looks like it's slow (probably because of video capture) but it runs very smoothly in fact ! :)

thanks! i was hoping someone would post videos of them! :D

[EDIT] stix is pretty cool... it's like a dancing glow bug... i like...

Darkroom
Sep 29, 2007, 04:17 AM
and for all you visualizer haters who are quickly to deem them as useless... there's this little thing called ambience...

i would really love to see a thread on here if apple removed visualizer from iTunes for leopard... it'd be all "omg why!? i loved it" and "apple is so going downhill" (negative rating: 523, positive rating: 43)

it's something new, it's an improvement... just accept it and get over it...

Stella
Sep 29, 2007, 06:13 AM
Why isn't this on page 2?

Its not very news worthy... new pretty graphics when music plays in iTunes!

Ember Whimsy
Sep 29, 2007, 06:23 AM
When I'm in a really good mood and the once in a blue moon I want to chill out, relax and think about things, I will use visualizers. I am not a stoner nor do I use drugs. ^.^

They are great for parties too, though! Especially when you're playing a board game or something and want music in the background and something pretty to look at when it's not your turn ;P

mixel
Sep 29, 2007, 06:41 AM
Hmm, as much as I like visualiser thingies (and use them occasionally).. Leopard* seems to be going against a lot of Apple's previous mindset. They had a framework for vis, but they intentionally didn't include choices to keep things simple. Its not like they couldn't have *always* included loads more plugins and presets, they use up basically no space and they're not that hard to create. (or buy off people who've already made them)

It feels like.. "Ahh crap, did we really say 200 new features? What can we add now." .. Sticking everything but the kitchen sink in is all very well and does sort of add value.. We'll see.

Screensavers, Vis, desktops - boring and superficial.. There are already tons of plugins you could use in iTunes.. I don't really see why Apple's including some now. Odd.

* I assume these Vis will work their way into all the other osX/windows iTunes' anyway, so the leopard part isn't an issue.

rhpenguin
Sep 29, 2007, 06:49 AM
I don't know why people are voting negative.

But I do know that I enjoy that we have a rating/feedback system. It is not something concrete that you could use as statistics or evidence for something, but its still a way to have some sort of community interaction. Plus, you can tell more about users reactions to stories before heading on into the forum discussion.

So why are people voting negative on the rating system?


I voted negative because these visualizers look lame in comparison to Milkdrop. Milkdrop owns all.

http://projectm.sourceforge.net/

arkitect
Sep 29, 2007, 07:00 AM
Well, woopeedoo!

I presume these must be more of the "…top secret features that we're keeping close to the chest."* :rolleyes:




*Steve Jobs, WWDC 2006, in case anyone needs reminding…

trevorlsciact
Sep 29, 2007, 07:44 AM
Well, woopeedoo!

I presume these must be more of the "…top secret features that we're keeping close to the chest."* :rolleyes:




*Steve Jobs, WWDC 2006, in case anyone needs reminding…

The expression is vest, not chest :rolleyes: and those features would be everything announced after that thing, like the new finder, the new dock, the new menu bar, quicklook, etc. So it is quite a bit. Honestly, what were you people expecting?

BKKbill
Sep 29, 2007, 07:59 AM
and for all you visualizer haters who are quickly to deem them as useless... there's this little thing called ambience...

i would really love to see a thread on here if apple removed visualizer from iTunes for leopard... it'd be all "omg why!? i loved it" and "apple is so going downhill" (negative rating: 523, positive rating: 43)

it's something new, it's an improvement... just accept it and get over it...

Not a visualizer hater just won't use it. Don't get all bent over nothing. :rolleyes:

arkitect
Sep 29, 2007, 08:19 AM
The expression is vest, not chest :rolleyes:

Actually that was a direct quote… :) I didn't make it up you know. :rolleyes:

Oh it's not that I am disappointed — but it is just funny to see how Apple/Steve Jobs hyped up the release…

Derwood
Sep 29, 2007, 08:53 AM
...that I will ever be over or underwhelmed by new iTunes visualizers.

Complete ambivalence.

Chupa Chupa
Sep 29, 2007, 09:43 AM
They are great for parties too, though! Especially when you're playing a board game or something and want music in the background and something pretty to look at when it's not your turn ;P

Hmm. Maybe you need to go to parties w/ hotter chicks.

Fortimir
Sep 29, 2007, 09:44 AM
In other news, Macs now have monitors.



...like we really need a news article solely about three iTunes visualizations?

HLdan
Sep 29, 2007, 10:18 AM
It's so funny that people are talking about how lame the visualizers are and what' the point of having them in iTunes but this thread has grown quite big.:D

Manic Mouse
Sep 29, 2007, 11:00 AM
The expression is vest, not chest :rolleyes:

No it isn't the expression is keeping something close to your CHEST. Steve is right.

MonkeyClaw
Sep 29, 2007, 11:11 AM
Apple was created by stoners, in case you didn't know.

Damn straight!!! Best quote I've heard was, when you worked at Microsoft and IBM, you came home smelling of Alcohol. When you left Apple, you smelt like weed. Thats why they make so many great products :-D

wordmunger
Sep 29, 2007, 12:48 PM
I just read through this whole thread and found it quite amusing. Every 15 posts or so someone chimes in and says "does anyone actually use visualizers"?

Then the rest of the posts are all about all the different ways people do, indeed, use visualizers. But still we get the "does anyone use these things?" comments.

I don't use visualizers much, but I think they're kind of cool. And it's interesting to hear about how people use them. Even more interesting to see the cognitive dissonance from people who don't use them.

Maybe this will help them get a clue:

HELLO! JUST BECAUSE YOU DON'T USE A FEATURE DOESN'T MEAN EVERYONE DOESN'T USE IT.

Cloudsurfer
Sep 29, 2007, 01:23 PM
Well, I use visualisers when I have my Mac hooked up to the tv when I throw a party. I think these additions are pretty sweet.

Mykbibby
Sep 29, 2007, 01:47 PM
Forget visualizers in iTunes... Its overrated. Who, when on their computer, listens to music and stares at visuallizers? Not many people! When at your computer, you may be working while you listen to music!

However, I would love to see visualizers in a different area... Such as the iPhone, Apple TV and the iPod touch. That's where I think it would be cool, and practical.

Diatribe
Sep 29, 2007, 02:26 PM
I haven't used Visualizers since my old PC and WinAmp days, as I always found them not "real" or accurate enough with respect to their timing and reflection of the music being played. I'm sure they've come a long way, so perhaps once I get Leopard and my new MacBook Pro I'll give these a try just for fun. ;)

You should try Fountain music (http://www.binaryminded.com/fountainmusic.html). It is pretty accurate and I like it a lot.

A Pittarelli
Sep 29, 2007, 02:36 PM
hopefully leopard doesnt get delayed again

FoxyKaye
Sep 29, 2007, 02:56 PM
HELLO! JUST BECAUSE YOU DON'T USE A FEATURE DOESN'T MEAN EVERYONE DOESN'T USE IT.
I agree with you on this. I personally seldom use the visualizer in iTunes, but it is great for parties, and I have occasionally gotten "lost" in it as well.

However, what I'm seeing in this thread is some pent-up frustration about Apple's priorities, especially this year. Leopard is already delayed, and visualizer tweaks can be delivered at any time - not necessarily for the Leopard Gold Master.

Likewise, the iPhone has consumed an enormous amount of Apple's resources this year. And yet, when folks want to do something very simple like making their own custom ringtones with their own music *without* having to pay for them, Apple goes out of it's way to make this difficult.

So, when these types of features are profiled, it's kind of like Apple saying, "yeah, go ahead and have fun with our stuff, but do it on our terms and not yours. Oh, and BTW, Leopard is being delayed again." Especially since they've got what, two weeks, to get it to Gold Master?

I voted negative on this thread for these reasons. I also have a sneaking suspicion that when Leopard is released into the wild, it's going to be buggy as hell - even more so than 10.4.0 and especially for folks upgrading from Tiger. So, when Apple has already admitted that something that wasn't part of its core operations until just this year, the iPhone, has delayed something that is, Leopard, to me, adding new and improved visualizers to iTunes suddenly becomes much less substantial when Apple is already playing catchup on Leopard as a whole.

CJD2112
Sep 29, 2007, 03:01 PM
Actually that was a direct quote… :) I didn't make it up you know. :rolleyes:

Oh it's not that I am disappointed — but it is just funny to see how Apple/Steve Jobs hyped up the release…

Look, I'm not one to nitpick, and while I think Leopard is a stellar OS upgrade, I do have to agree that they have dropped the ball on it in a few ways. The lack of "Fast OS Switching" and dropping "Resolution Independence" after Jobs has been hyping it up for so long, it seems Apple has bitten off more than they can chew this year. As Jobs said they had to delay Leopard because of moving people from the Leopard to the iPhone team, most of the really cool features have been slowly dropped with each beta seed as they can not fine tune them before October. Personally, I'd rather Apple take some extra time to get those features out with the final release than wait until 10.6, it's not as though Tiger is an unstable OS that we need Leopard ASAP.

joepunk
Sep 29, 2007, 03:17 PM
Looks cool. I haven't used visualizers in a long time, but still like to try new things.

Might try these out when I upgrade in the future.

ortuno2k
Sep 29, 2007, 03:32 PM
I want more functionality and less iCandy.
Maybe it's just me. But so far, so cool. :rolleyes:

elppa
Sep 29, 2007, 04:57 PM
Who cares about some dumb visualizers? When am I going to hear more about resolution independence, that which was such a popular topic months ago and still is one of the big deal-breakers for me when thinking about Leopard?

May I ask why?

Do you have a 200/300dpi monitor sitting on your desk. If so, then fair enough.

When monitors start getting into the 200-300dpi range then it will be important and by then Apple will be ready.

Tiger has partial support for Res Independence and Leopard takes this further.

~Shard~
Sep 29, 2007, 05:08 PM
You should try Fountain music (http://www.binaryminded.com/fountainmusic.html). It is pretty accurate and I like it a lot.

Thanks for the head's up I'll definitely check it out. :)

Manic Mouse
Sep 29, 2007, 05:09 PM
Just release Leopard already! I'm so sick of waiting.

I just hope they unify the scroll bars before they do.

HLdan
Sep 29, 2007, 05:24 PM
Oh, and BTW, Leopard is being delayed again." Especially since they've got what, two weeks, to get it to Gold Master?

I voted negative on this thread for these reasons. I also have a sneaking suspicion that when Leopard is released into the wild, it's going to be buggy as hell.

I think you haven't been reading up on the latest release. It's very stable and the developers are quite happy with the latest changes.
It's unfortunate that you don't really SEE what's happening here. You say that Leopard is being delayed again? Just think about it, if Apple is now putting out tweaks to iTunes for Leopard with such simple stuff like the visualizers then that means that they are done with Leopard and it's ready to go.

Also this is a multi-billion dollar company, they can press DVD's for Leopard and create the packaging and have it shipped to the retail stores in one day if necessary.

Benjamindaines
Sep 29, 2007, 05:30 PM
I want more functionality and less iCandy.
Maybe it's just me. But so far, so cool. :rolleyes:

In this case eye candy is functionality

psychofreak
Sep 29, 2007, 05:32 PM
In this case eye candy is functionality

Some, but not all of it...what about the new dock?

viper002060
Sep 29, 2007, 05:37 PM
Look to October 31st...you won't be disappointed :)


...and ya know thats the date it will probably ship. lol.

Benjamindaines
Sep 29, 2007, 05:39 PM
Some, but not all of it...what about the new dock?

I meant the visualizers.

psychofreak
Sep 29, 2007, 05:41 PM
I meant the visualizers.

Oops, I misread...

roosta
Sep 29, 2007, 10:05 PM
May I ask why?

Do you have a 200/300dpi monitor sitting on your desk. If so, then fair enough.

When monitors start getting into the 200-300dpi range then it will be important and by then Apple will be ready.

Tiger has partial support for Res Independence and Leopard takes this further.

the menubar app icons (volume, airport etc) are pdfs in leopard. in tiger they're tiffs.

Maccus Aurelius
Sep 29, 2007, 10:41 PM
Nice to see that something as trivial as an iTunes visualizer can create buzz. It's nice and all, but seriously, who in their right mind would think that cutting this from the Windows version is a good thing? It may seem trivial to add it on, but it could potentially draw a good amount of flack from Windows users that would like to know why they did that in the first place, then come to the obvious conclusion that they're trying to give the Winusers the short end of the stick, even if a very insignificant one. :rolleyes:

Eh well, I think my lava lamp and drunk spider youtube videos will do me just fine for those *ahem* stoner moments.

HLdan
Sep 29, 2007, 11:14 PM
Nice to see that something as trivial as an iTunes visualizer can create buzz. It's nice and all, but seriously, who in their right mind would think that cutting this from the Windows version is a good thing? It may seem trivial to add it on, but it could potentially draw a good amount of flack from Windows users that would like to know why they did that in the first place, then come to the obvious conclusion that they're trying to give the Winusers the short end of the stick, even if a very insignificant one. :rolleyes:

Eh well, I think my lava lamp and drunk spider youtube videos will do me just fine for those *ahem* stoner moments.

Wow, your argument is REALLY one sided. The Mac community takes this crap from the software giant of Microsoft every year. There hasn't been a piece of software from Microsoft made for the Mac that wasn't done better on Windows. There are some key features in Office that Mac users need and Microsoft refuses to include them in order to keep Macs out of the corporate world now isn't that a slap in the face and you are just trippin' over some stupid visualizer not being included in Windows, give me a break.

ABassCube
Sep 29, 2007, 11:19 PM
I'm a very infrequent poster to these forums, but I visit MacRumors all the time and while I usually lurk on the discussions, I felt like chiming in here.

I personally love the standard iTunes visualizer. It's definitely not something I use on a daily basis, but every once in awhile I like just listening to music to relax while not doing anything else, and the iTunes Visualizer is great for that. So I was excited when I saw this; however, after seeing the video someone posted, I was somewhat underwhelmed . I know it's hard to get an idea with a video capture that jumpy and the real thing would be much smoother, but from what I saw nothing looked nearly as good as the standard iTunes visualizer. Jelly looked the most interesting from the single screenshot in the original MR story, but it looked less exciting than I imagined in the video.

Can someone with Leopard report whether these visualizers are more customizable than they seemed in the video? They seemed awfully static compared to the literally hundreds of possible combinations in the original visualizer. As long as they don't get rid of the original "classic" iTunes visualizer, I'm good.

Still can't wait till Leopard. :)

Adam

Edit: Just realized I'm still considered a "macrumors newbie" when I joined the forums back in 2003. I've really got to post more, LOL. :)

Also, just thought I'd throw in my take on positive/negative voting. It's a decent way of seeing the overall opinion of general Mac users on a news story or rumor, but seriously I don't know what some people are thinking when they rate a story negative that I cannot possibly envision as being negative. I think people shouldn't vote unless they really have an opinion one way or another; I suspect a lot of people simply vote negative because they're ambivalent about a feature, or it doesn't affect them (i.e. "not another iPhone story/rumor!) Unless someone has a real opinion one way or another, they shouldn't bother voting on the story.

Erasmus
Sep 30, 2007, 01:12 AM
If Gold Master is a final complete ready-to-be-released copy that cannot be changed, what's the point of making it at all? Just something to send to the Developers so they get Leopard a little earlier than everyone else. Surely it doesn't take more than a couple of days to mass produce a few hundred thousand DVDs.

Surely if Apple is really hard pressed for time (which they clearly are not, seeing as the only real problem remaining seems to be some Archive and Install issue on PPCs) they could just skip this stage, and begin selling them immediately upon the completion of a "gold master". Even if they are sold without a stockpile, on a "you'll get it when we get more stock in" basis.

"Gold Master" seems like a pointless waste of a month to me.

BKKbill
Sep 30, 2007, 02:24 AM
I agree with you on this. I personally seldom use the visualizer in iTunes, but it is great for parties, and I have occasionally gotten "lost" in it as well.

However, what I'm seeing in this thread is some pent-up frustration about Apple's priorities, especially this year. Leopard is already delayed, and visualizer tweaks can be delivered at any time - not necessarily for the Leopard Gold Master.

Likewise, the iPhone has consumed an enormous amount of Apple's resources this year. And yet, when folks want to do something very simple like making their own custom ringtones with their own music *without* having to pay for them, Apple goes out of it's way to make this difficult.

So, when these types of features are profiled, it's kind of like Apple saying, "yeah, go ahead and have fun with our stuff, but do it on our terms and not yours. Oh, and BTW, Leopard is being delayed again." Especially since they've got what, two weeks, to get it to Gold Master?

I voted negative on this thread for these reasons. I also have a sneaking suspicion that when Leopard is released into the wild, it's going to be buggy as hell - even more so than 10.4.0 and especially for folks upgrading from Tiger. So, when Apple has already admitted that something that wasn't part of its core operations until just this year, the iPhone, has delayed something that is, Leopard, to me, adding new and improved visualizers to iTunes suddenly becomes much less substantial when Apple is already playing catchup on Leopard as a whole.

Well said and to the point.

Much Ado
Sep 30, 2007, 04:45 AM
So here are the 3 secret features.

offwidafairies
Sep 30, 2007, 05:52 AM
i cant believe this is still the latest rumor
when will we get a leopard date?

Done-on-a-Mac
Sep 30, 2007, 10:38 AM
I like these new visualizers. Though they are more "icing on the cake". This isn't a deal make or break thing.

I use visualizers a lot. When I'm just working around the apartment I turn it on. Reminds me of a lava lamp. It doesn't do hurt to turn it on unless your epileptic(I assume). It is a mood/atmosphere thing for me.

It isn't made for staring at while sitting in front of a computer doing nothing. That is worse than sitting in front of a TV.

Scott

Stella
Sep 30, 2007, 10:47 AM
i cant believe this is still the latest rumor
when will we get a leopard date?

This is a rumour site, so post a rumour: Perhaps, a blurred photo of a box with an Apple logo on it, in an elevator, you never know - it may be put on Page 2 or even the front page ;)

Dagless
Sep 30, 2007, 11:00 AM
Huh. People still use visualisations?

willybNL
Sep 30, 2007, 11:10 AM
They should make it possible that you can use video/visualizer in the same full screen.

So while having the visualizer mode on, if iTunes has a video as next song it will just show the video.

And the ability to choose the visualizer yourself (or enable disable them)

Brianstorm91
Sep 30, 2007, 11:23 AM
Every time I hear something new about this awesome OS,my patience shrinks...luckily every day is a day closer :)

I wholeheartedly agree.
I can't even afford the iPhone plan so they should have released Leopard earlier.
Not a shred of selfishness, honest :)

bennyboi
Sep 30, 2007, 11:34 AM
This is front page worthy? huh. The only things I'm excited about are the new iChat features.

CJD2112
Sep 30, 2007, 12:37 PM
They should make it possible that you can use video/visualizer in the same full screen.

So while having the visualizer mode on, if iTunes has a video as next song it will just show the video.

And the ability to choose the visualizer yourself (or enable disable them)

You can. In Leopard iTunes 7.4.2 (4) you can use the visualizer in full screen and chose which visualizer you want to use (in this case, there are three to chose from).

Stang68
Sep 30, 2007, 12:54 PM
awesome, now i can pop in some ecstasy, blast some techno, turn the lights down, and rave to my new leopard visualizers! RAVE!! :p:p

Stridder44
Sep 30, 2007, 01:49 PM
awesome, now i can pop in some ecstasy, blast some techno, turn the lights down, and rave to my new leopard visualizers! RAVE!! :p:p


Last time I did this someone died.

bj3949
Sep 30, 2007, 02:27 PM
I am a developer for Apple and I can tell you that the latest build of 9A599 is solid as hell.

Only issue I noticed was a PhotoBooth graphic error and I'm not a perfectly happy with the way Fans and Grids work. Needs improvement by staying away from boring Finder as much as possible.

Nice job Apple.

willybNL
Sep 30, 2007, 02:50 PM
You can. In Leopard iTunes 7.4.2 (4) you can use the visualizer in full screen and chose which visualizer you want to use (in this case, there are three to chose from).

So that is 1 thing: choice! Nice.

But still missing the automatic switch to full-screen video then. It's just irritating you have to exit visualizer, click again on the audio+video and press fullscreen... and do that for every movie.

MyMac8MyPC
Sep 30, 2007, 02:56 PM
Come on Apple! At least give us a date to look forward to!

...the week of October 14th... :apple: ...(cue theme from Jeopardy, and someone asking the preverbal 'how do you know that') :D

Orng
Sep 30, 2007, 04:33 PM
Is it just me or does anyone else not use vizualisations? i can't stand them! what exactly is the point for them? You listen to music either while you're doing something on your computer or away from your computer... so why stare at a screen of junk?

M

For the most part, I agree. I've always liked the visualizers but never get to use 'em because I'm trying to type.

That being said, when I've turned from typing to looking stuff up in books or working on paper notes, or I've been required to roll over to the ol' Win2000 box to crash test a Flash animation, or I'm cleaning up my office, ahh, then I will use visualizers... when I remember to turn it on, at least.

I've also been at parties where the host has hauled his G4 down to the living room, turned on party shuffle and fired up the visualizer for ambience, that always seems to get a good response. I tried that with dinner music once (more or less a shuffle mix of jazz, soul and classical) when the in-laws were over (My wife comes from a family that can't eat without jazz, soul or classical playing in the BG). They liked the music, more or less ignored the visualizer, though my brother in law thought it was kinda cool.

So yeah, it has some applications, like hanging art on your wall. Some people care and some people don't, but at least it gives Macrumors something to write about on a sunday.

Chromako
Oct 1, 2007, 12:58 AM
Whee! I've been waiting for new visualizers for... too long. :)

morespce54
Oct 1, 2007, 10:18 AM
Oh!
So that's the super-secret-new features Steve was talking about... ;)

amacisbetter
Oct 1, 2007, 10:04 PM
Look to October 31st...you won't be disappointed :)

Sounds like a good day to look forward to! :rolleyes:

agentkow
Oct 31, 2007, 01:15 AM
Do these not work on a PowerPC machine like mine, did they not make it to the final shipping version of Leopard, or am I an idiot and cannot find them anywhere...

MyMac8MyPC
Oct 31, 2007, 01:22 AM
...should be under the view menu.

agentkow
Oct 31, 2007, 01:23 AM
Nevermind, it was the third option: I had removed them as a plug-in along with some other ones I had installed in Tiger that I thought were now slowing iTunes down.

It was labelled weirdly as "Quartz Composer Visualizer.bundle" so I didn't recognize it...