Anyone else think its kind of cheap that the G5 keyboards have a USB 1.1 hub?

[ZildjianKX]

I was reading the specs on Apple's site, and this really struck me... so they're just using old stock keyboard parts (if they are new pro keyboards)... would it have killed them to use a newer USB hub in them for a $2000-$3000+ computer in all cases?

[Rezet]

Umm, what exactly do you need a usb 2.0 for in a keyboard?
Keyboards can work fine on "serial" speed. There is absolutely no need to have anything faster than usb 1.1.
And High speed devices plug into a computer block...

[Alte22a]

Some people use the keyboard as a hub for digital devices like digital cameras, would be ideal for downloading pics? I don't know just a thought..

[iJon]

well alot of the times, the keyboard couldnt handle the 1.1 speeds, it would ask you to put it into the computer. plus with the new location of the usb ports its easier to hide cables, but harder to add every now and then things like cameras. but it wont really matter because apple ahs let the bluetooth keyboard and mouse out of the bag, so i think once apple comes out with that people will be buying those real fast.

iJon

[Rezet]

Originally posted by Alte22a
Some people use the keyboard as a hub for digital devices like digital cameras, would be ideal for downloading pics? I don't know just a thought..

Umm. you do have firewire and usb 2.0 infront of G5 for these purposes...

[AngryAngel]

Originally posted by iJon
well alot of the times, the keyboard couldnt handle the 1.1 speeds, it would ask you to put it into the computer.

Nope. The Apple keyboards can handle full speed USB 1.1. They just can't supply the power required for some devices (e.g. bus-powered hard drives).

[Fender2112]

From a conceptual point of view, a keyboaud is not intended to be a hub. An extra port or two is a conveniene for connecting a mouse, a tablet, or other similar input device. It does not make sence to expect a keyboard to be used for connecting devices that require extra power or speed. It's like eating soup with a fork, you can do it but something else will work better.

[GigaWire]

Yes-

It is cheap that they are packagaing the G5's with these keyboards. Cheaper still that they have USB 1.1 ports, which will of course be replaced in the next keyboard revision. Those of you asking why the keyboard should support 2.0, obviously aren't using the current 1.1 ports on any regular basis, so your not going to understand why the krybaord needs 2.0 ports, which Apple knows it does, and will eventually incorporate.

[irmongoose]

As someone else has pointed out, that's what the front firewire and USB 2 ports are for. If you're talking for other machines, yes, but the G5 is well-equipped.



irmongoose

[jxyama]

for now, just to save all the cost it can (because developing a keyboard with usb 2.0 will take some - not a lot, probably very small but nonetheless - time and money) but i see no reason not to put usb 2.0 on the keyboard.

it's not a matter of needs. it's not a matter of having a (perhaps more logical) alternative. it's the case of "why would you want that?" it's kind of backwards. if usb 2.0 were on there, people would use them, so why not put it there?

yes, g5 does have FW and USB ports in the front... and is "well-equipped," certainly better than the old g4's. however, if the keyboard had usb 2.0, it would be even better equipped.

the usb keydrives are getting more and more popular... and i use the keyboard usb port on the work g4 PM. it sure would be nice to have a usb 2.0 port there as usb 2.0 keydrives become more and more popular...

i'm not saying g5 is inadequate. apple definitely made the right call in putting those ports in the front. but in time, i'd expect them to upgrade the keyboard and put usb 2.0 there...

[Sun Baked]

On no...

Another person complaining because Apple didn't build a new keyboard and mouse for the "professional machine."

So what...

They gave you the same keyboard and mouse that previewed with the eMac.

If you don't like the keyboard and/or mouse, go out and buy one. :rolleyes:

Apple isn't there to solve all your problems... or create them.

For that you need GatesWare. ;)

[Anders Agerskov]

I think iJon got it right. With bluetooth keyboards and mice around the corner, investing in putting USB 2.0 - or FW for that matter - on outdated keyboards does not make sense. But moving the USB 2.0 or FW hub to new displays would make sense - displays perhaps with space for the iSight, which needs the firewire connection anyway.

[jxyama]

fw port away from the computer would be a little more expensive compared to usb... a remote fw port would not be controlled by the host computer, i believe, so a small chip would have to be put in place on any external fw device...

i think this is the reason there's no fw keydrive..?

[NavyIntel007]

Actually, I thought when the keyboard had a right and left port it was so that the user could use the mouse in either hand.
Dont you have a joystick? or a powermate?

[mactastic]

This is why some of us prefer to stay away from rev.1 products. The BT mouse and keyboard obviously weren't ready yet when the G5 went out the door. Would you be happier if Apple had said, "oh no, I'm sorry, the G5 will be delayed for several more months because the new keyboard and mouse aren't ready yet." Yeah people would love that!:rolleyes:

[rainman::|:|]

the keyboard ports are ONLY for input devices (like tablets, mice, joysticks, remotes, etc), and none of these things need USB 2.0. So adding a second USB2 bus, along with redesigning the keyboard, would add cost to the machine... pointlessly. Really, with firewire 800, there's absolutely no need for USB2 support at all...

pnw

[iJon]

personally i like the new keyboards. a nicer touch and i like the elevation. i like them more than the pro keyboard. but what i dont like is how apple is choosing white, it just gets 2 dirty. thats why i always use a black pro keyboard, hopefully apple's new keyboards for bluetooth with be aluminum or black or something, if its white count me out.

iJon

[jtown]

Originally posted by paulwhannel
the keyboard ports are ONLY for input devices (like tablets, mice, joysticks, remotes, etc), and none of these things need USB 2.0. So adding a second USB2 bus, along with redesigning the keyboard, would add cost to the machine... pointlessly. Really, with firewire 800, there's absolutely no need for USB2 support at all...

Why should the keyboard ports only be for low-speed devices? Several people argue that "the ports are already on the front of the comptuer so they don't need to be on the keyboard". I don't know how you folks have your office machines set up but my office PC is under my desk. My home PCs are tucked away behind my desk. Hardly convenient for plugging in devices regardless of whether the port is on the front or back of the machine. I've got my firewire devices daisy-chained and a USB hub on my desk. Never get near the PCs. I'd be pretty annoyed if I bought a brand-spanking-new computer with all these high speed ports only to find that the keyboard's built-in USB hub is crippled.

As for cost, Apple already charges an obscene amount of money for their high-end equipment. This is their l33t product line. They shouldn't be cutting corners. Period. That'd be like Toyota putting $19.95 tires on their Lexus line.

As for firewire800 vs. USB2, the G5 already has both so arguing about whether USB2 is necessary is pointless. It's already there.

[mmathis]

Originally posted by jtown
My home PCs are tucked away behind my desk. Hardly convenient for plugging in devices regardless of whether the port is on the front or back of the machine. I've got my firewire devices daisy-chained and a USB hub on my desk. Never get near the PCs.

If you're unable to get near your pc, how do you use the optical drives? Using this logic, people may be close to saying Apple should have slot-loading optical drives in the keyboard too. ;-)

[ZildjianKX]

The thing is, a USB 1.1 keyboard is going to take up a USB port, so I'm down 1 USB 2.0 port from the start.

Its also really convenient to plug thing into, such as a USB 2.0 digital camera... but I believe it was originally designed for left and right handed people to have a choice.

As for mice and keyboard selection goes, I need a two button mouse with a scroll wheel and an ergonomically correct keyboard anyways, so what they ship with the machine is just staying in the box anyways.

[iJon]

Originally posted by mmathis
If you're unable to get near your pc, how do you use the optical drives? Using this logic, people may be close to saying Apple should have slot-loading optical drives in the keyboard too. ;-)
come on now, you know what he meant. it sucks having to reach behind your computer and plug stuff in, especially when its far away.

iJon

[jtown]

Originally posted by mmathis
If you're unable to get near your pc, how do you use the optical drives? Using this logic, people may be close to saying Apple should have slot-loading optical drives in the keyboard too. ;-)

I notice you stopped quoting before you got the the part about firewire devices. :rolleyes: My optical drive sits on a shelf about 8" above my physical desktop.

[plinkoman]

i don't care about usb2 on a keyboard, what i care about is more then 2 usb, and firewire ports, and possibly a second fw800 port too, maybe 4 usb2, 4 fw400, and 2 fw800 would be better. right now, between a keyboard, printer, digital camera and ipod, all your ports are gone.

[iJon]

oh yeah i know, i hate that too. firewire ports is what gets me. only 2..... my pc i built has 6, and thats just what came with it. but with the g5 i no longer have that problem. most people say, doesnt matter if it only has 2 firewire ports, you can daisy chain firewire. well not if i have an isight and an ipod. but know with the g5 i can have those in the back and then my small portable hard drive can be plugged in the front.

iJon

[iPC]

Originally posted by iJon
come on now, you know what he meant. it sucks having to reach behind your computer and plug stuff in, especially when its far away.

iJon
Do this; leave the cable plugged into the machine and nicely concealed in a easy to reach spot. This is what I do with my usb cable at work for my digital camera. Works fine. Easy access to plugging in camera, and tower stays under desk where I need it to be.

[Flynnstone]

The only thing USB 2.0 buys you is speed. If over 90 % of the users never connect a 2.0 (high speed) device to their keyboard, then why put USB 2.0 on the keyboard!
I went to the Embedded Systems Conference and talked to several companies about USB 2.0. The common theme was if you don't need the speed (big NEED) then don't go to 480 Mb ! There be dragons!
So some people would like to see USB 2 on their keyboard hubs. I think the majority don't care.
The solution is either plug directly into the tower or get a USB 2.0 Hub and put it on the desk near to where you want to use it. Cost < $30.
If you need the speed and you have a choice for Firewire, I recommend going Firewire.

[LethalWolfe]

Originally posted by jtown
I'd be pretty annoyed if I bought a brand-spanking-new computer with all these high speed ports only to find that the keyboard's built-in USB hub is crippled.


How is the USB port in the KB crippled? It's not like it's a USB 2.0 port that they've throttled down to 1.1 speeds. It's a freakin' USB 1.1 port. Nothing is crippled about it. If you want a USB 2.0 hook up on yer desk buy a hub and run it from yer tower (like others have suggested).


Lethal

[mmathis]

I believe Apple meant for the left usb port on the keyboard to be used for lefties who want their mouse on the left side. This is also why Apple's mice have always been symetrical. If the port's main purpose is to have a mouse plugged into it, then there is no need for a usb 2.0 port.

What if Apple DID make the left port usb 2.0? Then those people with their mouse plugged into the left port are left with a usb 1.1 port on the right. So unless Apple made BOTH ports usb 2.0, there would be no reason at all to change just one.