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carfac
Oct 17, 2007, 05:15 PM
Apple TV sales Must really Be In The Toliet- Sams Club is blowing them out at 150 each!


http://www.tuaw.com/2007/10/17/deep-discount-apple-tv/



TheQuestion
Oct 17, 2007, 05:28 PM
The question is has a discount sale at Sam's ever been an indicator of product popularity?

carfac
Oct 17, 2007, 05:32 PM
The question is has a discount sale at Sam's ever been an indicator of product popularity?

Tell ya what- next time you see an iPod at 50% percent off at Sams Club, let me know, ok? Until then, I am gonna figure this is dumping slow selling product. A 1/2 off sale is not exactly indicative of a can't-keep-it-in-stock "popular" product....

psychofreak
Oct 17, 2007, 05:34 PM
With the iPhone getting one, maybe an AppleTV SDK would boost sales...

madmaxmedia
Oct 18, 2007, 12:43 PM
No one else has been able to find one for that price at other Sam's Clubs.

It seems this was their last one in stock or something like that (from the commentor's posts.)

bobbleheadbob
Oct 18, 2007, 01:28 PM
I've seen them at Costco recently for a discount. Don't recall the exact price, although it wasn't anywhere close to 50% off. BTW, they also sell iPods and even iTunes gift cards at a slight discount (I believe a $50 iTunes card is about $45 there.)

gkarris
Oct 18, 2007, 01:29 PM
No one else has been able to find one for that price at other Sam's Clubs.

It seems this was their last one in stock or something like that (from the commentor's posts.)

All the stores that have them they're at $299. Maybe Sam's had a few and they just wanted to get rid of them....

wyatt23
Oct 18, 2007, 01:35 PM
i don't think they're dumping it. steve's already said it's a hobby. they'll keep dabbling until they get it right. personally, i'd buy two if i could get it at this price.

speakerwizard
Oct 18, 2007, 01:37 PM
although it probably doesn't sell millions, its a product apple has got to have available, its a long game, as most people just dont understand it, but sales will grow over time, but they need it available for the people who do understand it as an official itunes extender.

fishkorp
Oct 18, 2007, 02:07 PM
Sams stores are location-specific pricing. There were a few that had the Xbox 360 HD-DVD player for like $75 a few months back, but most stores were still full retail price. It's just a markdown when that particular store will no longer carry an item.

desenso
Oct 18, 2007, 03:41 PM
Sam's sells Cheesecakes, too (they're delicious by the way). I guess cheesecake sales must be in the toilet, since Sam's is obviously the barometer of ******* old products that no one wants anymore.

LaDirection
Oct 18, 2007, 04:16 PM
It's no secret that Apple TV is a huge failure. What a stupid product indeed.

An HDTV-Only playback device that only playsback Apple's 720p format, but Apple doesn't offer any 720p content!

Imagine the idiots who bought it....

pilotError
Oct 18, 2007, 04:29 PM
It's no secret that Apple TV is a huge failure. What a stupid product indeed.

An HDTV-Only playback device that only playsback Apple's 720p format, but Apple doesn't offer any 720p content!

Imagine the idiots who bought it....

Troll!

LOL

It does what they said it would. Check the ATV forums, I don't see THAT many complaints.

desenso
Oct 18, 2007, 04:38 PM
It's no secret that Apple TV is a huge failure. What a stupid product indeed.

An HDTV-Only playback device that only playsback Apple's 720p format, but Apple doesn't offer any 720p content!

Imagine the idiots who bought it....

Oh you poor, sad little man.. you're missing out! :p

phillipjfry
Oct 18, 2007, 05:14 PM
Don't you dare dump all over Sam's Club. It's the only place in the world you can buy 8 pound bags of Chex Mix! :D

Also, they don't have the appletv on their website (which allows you to check local prices)

cgray24
Oct 18, 2007, 10:09 PM
I think Apple's plan isnt to make mass amount of money on Apple TV hardware anyway, but rather get a decent amount of units out there slowly but surely, make it a stable platform and then get ready for subsription based content and make money on that. Its going to take a while to secure all the partners and content providers so I would consider the AppleTV a long term investment.

BWhaler
Oct 19, 2007, 12:10 AM
I was one of the idiot who bought one.

It's no longer hooked up to my TV.

zap2
Oct 19, 2007, 12:36 AM
It's no secret that Apple TV is a huge failure. What a stupid product indeed.

An HDTV-Only playback device that only playsback Apple's 720p format, but Apple doesn't offer any 720p content!

Imagine the idiots who bought it....
:rolleyes:
If it does what I want, why shouldn't I buy it?

overanalyzer
Oct 19, 2007, 12:43 AM
I don't know about Sam's Club, but when I've seen Apple products (other than iPods) at a sharp discount at Costco, it's been right before or after major product updates. I saw that happen with both iMacs and Mac Minis.

I think if this is more than just a random clearance of the last AppleTVs that particular store had in stock, it may be further indication of the rumored pending updates to the AppleTV.

decadentdave
Oct 19, 2007, 01:47 AM
More evidence that AppleTV should be integrated in the New Mac Min.. er "Nano."

Jordashebasics
Oct 19, 2007, 09:17 AM
I think I'd acknowledge that they do have some sort of sales problem with it, but I think the problem is more that it's misunderstood.

I picked mine up from Circuit City. I had to ask for it, and they only had a few in the back. They no longer give it shelf space.

Passante
Oct 19, 2007, 09:40 AM
I use AppleTV all the time. Its a great partner to my EyeTV. My tower records programs upstairs and sends them to AppleTV in the family room. Completely eliminated all my VCRs.

desenso
Oct 19, 2007, 10:39 AM
While the AppleTV could certainly be improved upon, I find it to be an immensely useful device. Anyone who thinks differently must not have a significant store of digital media.

kuebby
Oct 19, 2007, 01:42 PM
Don't you dare dump all over Sam's Club. It's the only place in the world you can buy 8 pound bags of Chex Mix! :D


Possible irony that your avatar is a picture of Fry in his underwear?

PS: I agree that Apple TV sales will grow over time, with more digital media and possibly HD content on iTunes it will become immensely useful. Especially in conjunction with an EyeTV as someone already said.

overanalyzer
Oct 19, 2007, 01:43 PM
I think I'd acknowledge that they do have some sort of sales problem with it, but I think the problem is more that it's misunderstood.

I picked mine up from Circuit City. I had to ask for it, and they only had a few in the back. They no longer give it shelf space.

That's ok, since I no longer give Circuit City my shopping time. :) Not a big fan of that place, personally....

desenso
Oct 19, 2007, 05:10 PM
That's ok, since I no longer give Circuit City my shopping time. :) Not a big fan of that place, personally....

It's a hell of a lot better than Best Buy, that's for sure.

overanalyzer
Oct 19, 2007, 09:48 PM
It's a hell of a lot better than Best Buy, that's for sure.

Really? I'm not a huge Best Buy fan on prices (though often they have good sale prices), but their selection for browsing or impatient purchases when I don't want to wait for shipping is pretty good. I always found Circuit City high on prices and lacking in selection. I mostly buy electronics online to get better deals or if possible from Costco, thanks to their generally good prices and return policy.

BornAgainMac
Oct 20, 2007, 06:48 AM
I won't buy it until they have built-in iChat. Perhaps I might want to look at something more than my iTunes library content. I might want to chat with friends or family using my big screen TV like in Star Trek. Apple needs to expand the vision of this product to something that hasn't been done yet.

overanalyzer
Oct 20, 2007, 09:42 AM
I won't buy it until they have built-in iChat. Perhaps I might want to look at something more than my iTunes library content. I might want to chat with friends or family using my big screen TV like in Star Trek. Apple needs to expand the vision of this product to something that hasn't been done yet.

Well, I think iChat with a 6 button remote would suck. Perhaps they'd consider adding the option for a wireless keyboard, but at a certain point, heading in that direction it'd just turn into the Mini, especially now that Front Row in Leopard is identical to the AppleTV interface (with the addition of playing DVDs). Perhaps the Mini and the AppleTV will merge at some point? The AppleTV is basically a specialized pared-down Mini anyway, with the addition of video outputs.

dogtanian
Oct 20, 2007, 03:05 PM
I would love to get an Apple TV, even with its faults.

It has potential but with Apple classing it as a 'hobby', I fail to see sales 'take off' in its current incarnation.

booksacool1
Oct 20, 2007, 11:23 PM
I would love to get an Apple TV, even with its faults.

It has potential but with Apple classing it as a 'hobby', I fail to see sales 'take off' in its current incarnation.

I have to agree. What stops me (and pisses me off) is that apple has deliberately castrated it.
I'd buy one straight away if it ran DivX and XviD from my windows shares out of the box. Honestly there's not many cheap, stable, networked media centres.

Attonine
Oct 21, 2007, 01:45 AM
I bought an :apple:TV (40GB) from the UK online store last week. It still has software 1.0. As 1.1 was released last June 20th (I think) I tend to agree that Apple are not shifting many of these devices, not in the UK anyway.


It is a good device, gets movies from my Mac onto the TV and puts my music through my amp. However, it will not authorize to play iTunes purchased content (I am fortunate enough to have both US and UK accounts and have bought several TV series and a few movies). If this is not solved in the next few days it's being returned.

CWallace
Oct 21, 2007, 09:35 AM
What stops me (and pisses me off) is that apple has deliberately castrated it.

I'd buy one straight away if it ran DivX and XviD from my windows shares out of the box. Honestly there's not many cheap, stable, networked media centres.

I do hope Apple does something more with the :apple:tv then just increases the HDD space or somesuch.

I'm a "switcher" (at home) from Windows and I am very intrigued by the idea of having my entire media collection (audio, photo and video) in stored digital form as opposed to taking up two walls of shelves.

And I very much like the idea of doing it through an "appliance" as opposed to a full computer. However, :apple:tv still has many limitations on both the types of content it will play back and how well it does so (no 1080i/p, no discrete 5.1 or 7.1 audio).

I know a Mac Mini would give me more flexibility, but there remain continuous rumors it will EoL late this year or early next without a replacement. And it's expensive for what it does - especially when you add a few TB of external storage.

On the other hand, Windows Home Media Servers are just about ready to ship at very reasonable price points with very strong specs. I really want to stay within the Apple family for the sake of commonality, but a WHMS would be much more cost-effective option then a Mac Mini and much more functional then a current :apple:tv...

cohibadad
Oct 21, 2007, 10:09 PM
I'm an idiot that bought 2 :apple: TVs. I could care less about movie download and purchases on it. I use them for THE BEST home movie viewer I've ever found. Much better than everyone crowding around the Mac screen. They're awesome for browsing You Tube and watching the iphoto libraries also. Any family members who stop by and see the instant control you have with :apple: TV are blown away by the convenience.

gkarris
Oct 22, 2007, 04:17 PM
I'm an idiot that bought 2 :apple: TVs. I could care less about movie download and purchases on it. I use them for THE BEST home movie viewer I've ever found. Much better than everyone crowding around the Mac screen. They're awesome for browsing You Tube and watching the iphoto libraries also. Any family members who stop by and see the instant control you have with :apple: TV are blown away by the convenience.


Yea, :apple:TV is okay in some respects.

I like to watch Stargate (in this case Atlantis) 3-part episodes all together and it was kinda hard for me to go from watching the last episode of season 3 on DVD in 5.1 surround sound to season 4 episodes 1 & 2 only in stereo...

synth3tik
Oct 22, 2007, 04:28 PM
I use Sam's club as an indication of when new products get released.

MikieMikie
Oct 22, 2007, 05:19 PM
That's ok, since I no longer give Circuit City my shopping time. :) Not a big fan of that place, personally....

I couldn't agree more. That whole DivX fiasco was courtesy of them. I remember the campaign to avoid them at all costs!

Then again, I remember when we had the Bill of Rights, too. Sigh.

-- Mikie

brian0526
Nov 19, 2007, 11:06 AM
They for sale at normal list price at Costco but with a $50 rebate. It's the 160 GB model.

jwt
Nov 19, 2007, 04:38 PM
It's no secret that Apple TV is a huge failure. What a stupid product indeed.

An HDTV-Only playback device that only playsback Apple's 720p format, but Apple doesn't offer any 720p content!

Imagine the idiots who bought it....

Ditto! This is a half-a$$ product. When Apple introduces v2 with another cheek, I might find it useful.

This is a product that requires an HDTV, but cannot by any means play Hi Def because of both slow hardware and no means of input. 1) It cannot play broadcast quality 1080i, so anything HD you record via eyeTV is unplayable. 2) Nobody has Hi Def players in their computers, so you can't rip content to your drive and play it on you ATV, because of 1 above. 3) You cannot download HD content from Apple (which would be only in 720p) because the bandwidth isn't there to be streaming 10s of GBs of data. This was a stupid product even at the drawing board stage. This could be a truly great product, like the iPod, but at this stage it is stupid.

Mindflux
Nov 19, 2007, 04:48 PM
I love mine, then again I don't play MP4's on it.
:D

soLoredd
Nov 26, 2007, 02:09 PM
I just don't understand why 5.1 isn't supported. I'm not about to watch something in "HD" (or be forced to have an HDTV) and only have 2-channel stereo. That's pretty damn lame, in my opinion.

That's what is holding me back from a purchase.

overanalyzer
Nov 26, 2007, 02:15 PM
I just don't understand why 5.1 isn't supported. I'm not about to watch something in "HD" (or be forced to have an HDTV) and only have 2-channel stereo. That's pretty damn lame, in my opinion.

That's what is holding me back from a purchase.

Are you sure it's not?

Apple TVs audio chip supports 7.1 surround sound, but Apple TV only officially supports Dolby Pro Logic simulated 5.1 since QuickTime and Apple TV do not ship with an AC-3 codec. Unofficially, full 5.1 Surround Sound digital discrete is supported by Apple TV if a 5.1-capable receiver is connected via the optical cable to Apple TV and the audio content is encoded as lossless.
From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_TV

That, by the way, is true of my HDTV cable box and DVD player too - you have to use optical audio or digital coaxial to get surround sound out of them.

Also check out Ten Myths of the Apple TV: 5.1 Audio (http://www.roughlydrafted.com/RD/RDM.Tech.Q1.07/147048D8-D8B7-45E7-9A97-3CD5B4C2B75A.html)

Cave Man
Nov 26, 2007, 02:42 PM
I just don't understand why 5.1 isn't supported. I'm not about to watch something in "HD" (or be forced to have an HDTV) and only have 2-channel stereo. That's pretty damn lame, in my opinion.

Right now, you can have 5-channel surround on your ATV by encoding your DVDs in Dolby Pro Logic II. This is not 5.1 surround, as encoded by Dolby Digital (AC-3) or DTS. Handbrake's "Apple TV Preset" will give you this. All you have to do is make sure your ATV is connected to a receiver or amplifier that can decode DPLII, either through the two stereo cables or (preferably) the optical port of the ATV.

There are a lot of reasons why you can't get 5.1 sound on your ATV. The only two commonly deployed 5.1 surround sound formats, Dolby Digital and DTS, are proprietary. The sizes of these audio files would contribute substantially to the size of a download from iTMS. Combine that with 720 video and you'd quickly surpass the 4 gig file size limit of the ATV. There are other reasons, too.

Regarding the audio chip, its ability to decode 7.1 audio probably won't amount to much. What's needed is simply passthrough of an already available scheme, such as DD or DTS. Just about every home theater receiver sold today already can decode these two formats. We just have to figure out a way to get the ATV's Quicktime player (used by Back Row) to send them natively to the optical port, through a Toslink cable and, finally, to your receiver. There's no need for the ATV to decode this signal - it's much more efficient to let your receiver do it. What we need is for Apple to (1) upgrade the QT player app on the ATV to passthrough DD and DTS through the optical port and (2) have Apple start selling H.264 720p video with DD AC-3 or DTS surround sound files. One word for that: Heaven. :D

Of course, with a Mac-based home theater, you can get DD surround out of the optical port either with DVD Player or VLC/Perian, provided your video is appropriately encoded (e.g., MKV/AC-3 passthrough).