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arn
Apr 13, 2002, 09:47 PM
Railheaddesign (http://www.railheaddesign.com) reported that Premiere Developers received an seed of Mac OS X 10.2:

This latest seed sports drastic Finder revisions and major “tune-ups” in performance, sorting, auto-scrolling, spring-loaded folder action, contextual menu handling — and the new print foundation (CUPS) is also being thoroughly pushed, jammed, and slammed into place by developers.

As well, an anonymous source informs us that Mac OS X 10.1.4 should be released by the first of next week. If not the end of the week.

Kid Red
Apr 13, 2002, 10:19 PM
Sounds exciting:) his latest seed sports drastic Finder revisions and major “tune-ups” in performance, sorting, auto-scrolling, spring-loaded folder action, contextual menu handling —

hehe, can't wait. Sounds good if 10.1.4 comes out next week as well.

Taft
Apr 13, 2002, 10:45 PM
Is that how you write yae (with an a sound like in the letter 'a') rather than yeah (like the a in bag)? I never know how to do that.

Anyway...I'm really excited about 10.2. I haven't been this excited about an upgrade since 10.1. I hope Apple has done some serious tuning of its core API's for GUI stuff. They have been just a little sluggish.

I'm hoping. Hopping? No hoping.

Matthew

crawdad62
Apr 14, 2002, 12:00 AM
Sounds good to me. However with everything that seems to be included it doesn't sound like a downloadable update (atleast to us dial up folks). I sure hope Apple has plenty of update disks in place. I know when v10.1 came out it was dicey for awhile until supply met demand.

And no I can't get ANY type of broadband so don't ask:D

iH8Quark
Apr 14, 2002, 12:06 AM
I think it's "Yay!!!!"

iH8Quark
Apr 14, 2002, 12:07 AM
maybe "yey!!!!!"

Okay, very good. That's it.

Yey!!! :D

jaykk
Apr 14, 2002, 12:16 AM
I hope, 10.2 will have more printer/scanner drivers. Apple should convince the peripheral maker to release Mac OS X version of drivers. Apart from that, Mac OS X is the best OS in the market. ( I have a couple of old printers/scanners, if 10.2 doesnt include any dirvers for them, the only option is to sell it in ebay and buy new ones)

Choppaface
Apr 14, 2002, 01:11 AM
he he...now if Apple could get HP to make drivers for my 7 year old scanjet....:D :D

j763
Apr 14, 2002, 05:46 AM
crawdad62, I don't know what sort of dial-up service you've got -- but I've got an unlimited 56K connection and I use Download Wizard (OS X, get it from versiontracker) to get all the updates and other big files. I've downloaded Maya PLE, Lineage and loads of MP3s on my humble dial-up connection... just get a good download manager and you'll be fine.

Falleron
Apr 14, 2002, 05:51 AM
What is a good download manager on the mac???

mac15
Apr 14, 2002, 06:56 AM
the best download manager for mac is igetter
get it from www.igetter.net/download
classic and OS X
but in OS X it includes a cool dock icon which has contexual menus and
tells you the speed of your selected download

kainjow
Apr 14, 2002, 07:00 AM
I'm not familiar with download programs. How is iGetter (or another app) better than your typical browse's download manager? Would it make sense for me who has cable modem to get iGetter?

Please inform me...

King Cobra
Apr 14, 2002, 07:27 AM
I think that iGetter is supposed to act as a Napster or Limewire application. You can access certain files you wouldn't be able to achieve on the internet from your regular browser. But I wouldn't always trust the stuff. Sometimes, when I download a large file under dial-up using Limewire the download suddenly gets cut off and stifles. Also, many of these client applications use Java and cost money, especially iGetter. Limewire I use for free, but you can pay just $8.50 to register instead of the $25 iGetter costs.

Usually, when I download a large file off the internet not using any of the client software titles it works fine. You would normally use iGetter or Limewire for other things, such as mp3s, or pictures of new cars, or whatever.

Question: In "limewire connection problems" Arn posted that for downloading movies use mldonkey. Where can I find that website? (Arn also posted that Audiogalaxy was useful for mp3s.)
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Any time is a great time for iPod.

mac15
Apr 14, 2002, 08:04 AM
no igetter is a download manager
It has contexual menus in your browser
just click and hold on the link or thing you want to DL and the select DL with igetter then igetter launches and you start the DL
you can queue files and save them for whenever you want to download it

its not like limewire its a DL manger for your browser

Billicus
Apr 14, 2002, 09:29 AM
One bonus, maybe not so much for a cable user, but for us humble dial-up users, is that option to pause downloads in iGetter. This allows us to obtain much larger files.

Oh, and on a side note, wasn't the original topic about 10.2 and 10.1.4?

Mr. Anderson
Apr 14, 2002, 09:30 AM
Originally posted by arn
Railheaddesign (http://www.railheaddesign.com) reported that Premiere Developers received an seed of Mac OS X 10.2:

As well, an anonymous source informs us that Mac OS X 10.1.4 should be released by the first of next week. If not the end of the week.

Very interesting. If this is true, putting a release of OS X before WWDC might get us OS X.2 in May.

Could the drastic finder upgades be the window zooming. I'd imagine it would be much more than that.

gregorypierce
Apr 14, 2002, 09:37 AM
If they are just exposing developers to it (and likely seeding them with it) there isn't much chance that you'll see 10.2 for a few months after as developers test their programs and optimize for it.

Add to this that JDK1.4 is FINALLY supposed to rear its head and according to rumor will be bundled in 10.2 and I see this thing shipping at MWNY at the earliest.

Xapplimatic
Apr 14, 2002, 11:16 AM
For a normal cable user I would * not * recommend installing any download managers.. especially igetter because igetter destroys the file associations for downloading in IE so that if you don't like it, and try to remove it, the browser will constantly hound you, "what do you want me to do with this download"? And every time you have to go in and tell it to use Stuffit to undo .zips, .tars, .tgzs, etc.. it really screwed up my iMac. I can say the exception where I would install it (because I would have less reason to want to remove it) is in a dialup situation (because it really does work and majorly helps for unpredictable or slow connections). I would also install it on campus or corporate networks if the networks are suffering from low bandwidth connection to the net or where bandwidth policing software shuts connections down if they exceed time limits (long downloads would get hit by this on some networks that are slow).

Xapplimatic
Apr 14, 2002, 11:17 AM
Dukestreet.. love the G5 avatar..

crawdad62
Apr 14, 2002, 11:26 AM
J763 I got no problems downloading but a 56k is a 56k no matter how you slice it. I too downloaded Mya but what was it? 120-130Mb's? The last udate weighed in at 600Mb+. My ISP doesn't limit downloads or anything but I would assume one that large would take the better part of a day a WHOLE day and I'd just rather put in a disk and go. Even for a nominal fee. How's that saying go? Oh yeah, time is money.:p

Mr. Anderson
Apr 14, 2002, 03:19 PM
Originally posted by Xapplimatic
Dukestreet.. love the G5 avatar..

Thanks:D Soon I'll change it to something a with a little less motion. I'm pretty much pushing the envelope on the size constraint - 25 frames of animation and it still is smooth at 20k.

j763
Apr 14, 2002, 07:31 PM
There are two download managers which I use:

- Download Wizard (Freeware, OS X Only)
- HeftyFTP (Shareware, OS X and OS 9)

Download Wizard is FASTER than HeftyFTP and iGetter... The only downside is that (in this version at least) when you quit the application, it dosen't remember what you've been downloading whereas HeftyFTP does. For Example, if you're downloading OS 10.1.3 and get half way through and then have to shut down your computer for whatever reason -- Download Wizard is not for you, use HeftyFTP instead... If you're like me, however who'd get half way through then put my mac to sleep with Download Wizard still open -- use Download Wizard!

So why use a download manager instead of IE, NS's or Moz's Download engine?

A couple of reasons -- Download Wizard, for instance opens up "multiplile streams". That is, it slices up a download into multiplile parts and connects to the server as a different user to avoid bandwidth limits... If you didn't understand that -- don't worry, it goes FASTER!

I personally hate iGetter because a) it's Carbon, not Cocoa (the interface is slower) b) it nags for registration c) it's not such a great download manager...

Check out download wizard here (http://www.versiontracker.com/macosx).

...And crawdad62, just queue downloads for overnight!

Taft
Apr 14, 2002, 10:58 PM
Originally posted by iH8Quark
maybe "yey!!!!!"

Okay, very good. That's it.

Yey!!! :D

I looked it up once and evidently 'yeah' can be pronounced with the letter 'a' sound. It never looks right though.

Does anyone have any predictions about what the Finder enhancements will be? (Assuming its above and beyond the minimized window thing and spring-loaded folders)

A new view? Better window size/position/view memory? More OS 9-like capabilities? More toolbar custimization?

Matthew

elgruga
Apr 14, 2002, 11:34 PM
Just more faster please, thats all I want.

Xapplimatic
Apr 15, 2002, 01:07 AM
#1. FASTER... remove all legacy/Carbon code where speed can be optimized by replacing with Cocoa code.

#2. REFINE... remove bugs, make all features consistent (scroll-wheel ability in ALL windows including file requester dialogs in applications, not just Finder)

#3. OPTIONS... make more options to down exotic aqua functions and other niceties for the poor g3 users.. more options for power management (at least OS 9 equivalent)... Option to install Mozilla or Omniweb instead of IE.. etc.. (let's keep Bill on his toes to keep MS Office for Mac by threatening IE).

Last priority: Totally new features.. Lets get all the existing ones right first! 10.2 should focus on getting everything that exists perfected and maximized in terms of speed, stability, and usability.. focus should be on making everything consistent and consistently easy for both users and applications developers.

lordsinforge
Apr 15, 2002, 01:33 AM
I'd just rather put in a disk and go. Even for a nominal fee. How's that saying go? Oh yeah, time is money.:p [/B]

Just do what I say a guy do when I was IN DC. Take a cd into your nearest apple store and they will let you download the update and burn it onto a cd. But find out how big it is first, you might need more than one disk...

Xapplimatic
Apr 15, 2002, 04:08 AM
On another note.. I hope this CUPS printing system they are changing to in 10.2 doens't require all new printer drivers again.. Another 3-9 months of wrangling with printer driver updates from vendors would be a bad sanity check.. Hopefully it will fix the Classic layer print issues as well (as in it doesn't print from some Classic applications but documents sit and pile up in the print manager buffer until the next OS 9 reboot and then they print).

Falleron
Apr 15, 2002, 05:16 AM
Thanks people for all the info on Download Managers.

Cheers

ibjoshua
Apr 15, 2002, 09:23 AM
Originally posted by Xapplimatic
#1. FASTER... remove all legacy/Carbon code where speed can be optimized by replacing with Cocoa code.

#2. REFINE... remove bugs, make all features consistent (scroll-wheel ability in ALL windows including file requester dialogs in applications, not just Finder)

#3. OPTIONS... make more options to down exotic aqua functions and other niceties for the poor g3 users.. more options for power management (at least OS 9 equivalent)... Option to install Mozilla or Omniweb instead of IE.. etc.. (let's keep Bill on his toes to keep MS Office for Mac by threatening IE).

Last priority: Totally new features.. Lets get all the existing ones right first! 10.2 should focus on getting everything that exists perfected and maximized in terms of speed, stability, and usability.. focus should be on making everything consistent and consistently easy for both users and applications developers.

HEAR! HEAR!

TechLarry
Apr 15, 2002, 11:52 AM
Originally posted by mac15
the best download manager for mac is igetter
get it from www.igetter.net/download
classic and OS X
but in OS X it includes a cool dock icon which has contexual menus and
tells you the speed of your selected download

What about SpyWare/AdWare ? Download Accellerators are NOTORIOUS for containing this unwanted junk.

TL

TechLarry
Apr 15, 2002, 12:00 PM
Originally posted by Xapplimatic
On another note.. I hope this CUPS printing system they are changing to in 10.2 doens't require all new printer drivers again.. Another 3-9 months of wrangling with printer driver updates from vendors would be a bad sanity check.. Hopefully it will fix the Classic layer print issues as well (as in it doesn't print from some Classic applications but documents sit and pile up in the print manager buffer until the next OS 9 reboot and then they print).

If CUPS is a complete re-design, so be it. Just so long as it is stable, and it WORKS!

Printing under MacOS X is pathetic IMHO. When it works, it's fine. But even with so-called OS X compatible drivers you never know what error is going to show up next. Especially if you have happened to kick off Classic for some reason.

I also think Apple needs to build a standardized Scanning layer into Quartz so the Scanner Manufacturers can get some damned drivers out the door.

I don't mind doing all my Scanning on the PC, but it's just pathetic, ya know ?

The whole Security model under OS X could use a major simplification too.

TL

Hemingray
Apr 15, 2002, 12:48 PM
Okay, now that this has been brought up:

"Yay!" - Used as a cheer. (Like, it's "hooray", not "hooreah")
"Yeah" - Used as in agreement. (Slang for yes.)

jermsmingy
Apr 15, 2002, 03:43 PM
I want the ability to program my function keys again. I also want to see an option to start up the computer at a certain time and shut it down at a certain time.

I would also like to see an itunes update that would allow itunes to start playing where you left off when it is started up.

Printing is annoying in OS X, and I wish that there were some drivers for scanning out. I know that Vuescan is out, but I was not impressed with the speed considering that I have a firewire scanner and I really don't want to pay 40 bucks.

Speed is decent on a lot of software, but some applications need some tweaking as far as speed.

Also, apple needs to make it where windows can't go behind the dock unless moved there by the user. I hate windows in ie that open full screen and go behind the dock, it just annoys me. I like the dock, but there could be some tweaking.

I just want the developers to get there rears into action. Microsoft needs an palm entourage conduit, real player needs to come out ( I don't use that often, but it is nice to have), and Macromedia needs to get its rear into action

eyelikeart
Apr 15, 2002, 04:11 PM
I just want more speed...ATM...and some scanner support...

is that too much to ask for?? he he he... ;)

speechpoet
Apr 15, 2002, 06:43 PM
...is for drivers for legacy ATI video cards. My poor little WallStreet is groaning under the weight of the Quartz layer...

OK, two wishes. A DVD player for older Macs.

Well, three. Free iMacs for all.

Apple, feel free to choose two of the above and run with them...

Xapplimatic
Apr 15, 2002, 08:24 PM
Originally posted by jermsmingy
I just want the developers to get there rears into action. Microsoft needs an palm entourage conduit, real player needs to come out ( I don't use that often, but it is nice to have), and Macromedia needs to get its rear into action

Don't wait for Microsoft, a 3rd party developer already has an Entrourage/Palm conduit called QueuSync X.. check Versiontracker for it:

http://www.versiontracker.com/moreinfo.fcgi?id=13777&db=mac

I used it and it worked great for me!

jermsmingy
Apr 15, 2002, 09:52 PM
I tried it a while ago and even posted the link to it. But I couldn't get it to work for me. It would go through the motions and then there would be nothing on my palm. I just store my contacts on my ipod and I will wait for microsoft. But I have got a new imac since then, maybe I will try it again. If you have any idea what the problem might be, I would appreciate some help. I would love to use my palm.

iH8Quark
Apr 15, 2002, 11:33 PM
Yay for Hemingray!

(Thanks for clearing that up. I was a bit confused myself) :(

;)

HumanJHawkins
Apr 16, 2002, 11:06 AM
Originally posted by crawdad62
<CUT>However with everything that seems to be included it doesn't sound like a downloadable update (atleast to us dial up folks). <CUT>

Anything is downloadable, even for dial-up users. You just have to know the secret... Overnight downloads! Woo Hoo!

Seriously, set your connection to hang up after five minutes of activity, make sure energy saver won't turn your machine off after 30 minutes or anything, and then start the download right before bed... 100 MB over a 50K dialup by morning. (50 MB if you can only connect at 28.8)

P.S. If you are booted into OS 9 at the time, turn off your screensaver (and monitor if you want). OS 9 doesn't seem to be able to do screen saving and reliable background processing at the same time.

Cheers!

HumanJHawkins
Apr 16, 2002, 11:23 AM
Originally posted by Xapplimatic
#1. FASTER...<CUT>
#2. REFINE... remove bugs, make all features consistent <CUT>
#3. OPTIONS... make more options to down exotic aqua functions and other niceties for the poor g3 users.. <CUT>
let's keep Bill on his toes to keep MS Office for Mac by threatening IE<CUT>
Last priority: Totally new features.. Lets get all the existing ones right first!<CUT>

1. Yes!
2. Yes!
3. Yes!
3.5 (Keep Bill on his toes.) ...You seem to forget that the way Bill usually responds to that is the old "Screw Apple. Cancel IE for Mac." thing.
Last: Yes, except where adding new features IS getting it right first... I.e. Putting in all of the contextual menus and layout options that are good ideas, but were left out because MS Windows had them first and Apple didn't want Mac OS to resemble Windows.

Oh yeah, and they should write a patch to turn my mouse into a two-button one!

Cheers!

HumanJHawkins
Apr 16, 2002, 11:29 AM
Originally posted by HumanJHawkins
set your connection to hang up after five minutes of activity<CUT>

Yeah, that was smart... I mean't "Inactivity"

:-)

Fat Tony
Apr 16, 2002, 04:01 PM
Apple Mac OS X Server 10.1.4 on Version Tracker right now!

Fat Tony
Apr 16, 2002, 04:01 PM
....what could ever be next......?

Rower_CPU
Apr 16, 2002, 04:46 PM
Originally posted by Fat Tony
Apple Mac OS X Server 10.1.4 on Version Tracker right now!

dled it...installed it...no problems...

Now if I could only get my Software Update for OS X client to let me dl IE 5.1.4!:mad: