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MacRumors
Sep 15, 2003, 07:16 PM
Based on the available information as well as some new unconfirmed information, the following releases seem probable, based on the current pieces of the rumor puzzle:

[ Probably Wrong ]

Disclaimer: This is based on both rumors and speculation.

Addendum: Based on some final whispers... the previous "software announcement" rumor was actually supposed to read "hardware announcement"....



arn
Sep 15, 2003, 07:20 PM
This is purely for entertainment value.

Page 2 due to speculation....

arn

holy MAC!
Sep 15, 2003, 07:24 PM
bleh... that is not worth an apple expo announcement if it's true

Freg3000
Sep 15, 2003, 07:27 PM
I also suspect the new 2 GB ram max. I mean, Apple is using 1 GB DIMMs in the PowerMac G5, why not the PowerBooks?
Originally posted by Macrumors

Addendum: There are now significant doubts about the accuracy of the "unexpected software announcements" previously reported on the main page.

:( I was really looking forward to that. Something just a little unexpected. So I guess this mean "no".

Cooknn
Sep 15, 2003, 07:37 PM
I'm waiting for the G5 PB before I make the switch. Next week or next Spring - doesn't matter to me. Sooner would be better, but later means less debt :p

you
Sep 15, 2003, 07:45 PM
could the software have been itms Europe?

JtheLemur
Sep 15, 2003, 07:47 PM
wish they could get the 12" down to 1" thick or less =)

actionslacks
Sep 15, 2003, 07:51 PM
That's way too weak for a 10 month wait. however, if you need a powerbook, you can get an updated 1Ghz for about $600 less with some extra features.

i have to buy a powerbook. So were this to be true, i would feel a little better buying the $1999 version than I would have paying $2599 for today's model.

Also, if this were trus, it might indicate G5 powerbooks soon, becaeu they aren't even bothering with the new G4 chips.

Wonder Boy
Sep 15, 2003, 07:55 PM
I'm not getting a new computer, laptop or otherwise for a long while. Software and ipod stuff is all i have to look forward too. im still holding out hope on new unexpected software.

applemacdude
Sep 15, 2003, 08:04 PM
No G5's?!!!! These powerbooks dont look good enogh to be locked up in paris!

agentmouthwash
Sep 15, 2003, 08:13 PM
How can Apple release the Powerbooks that are twice as expensive as imac that have the same processors?

I hope those specs aren't true.... it's a huge disappointment.

chazmox
Sep 15, 2003, 08:21 PM
Yes, for all the security and seeming hoopla ( then again it is OUR hoopla - of course Apple does have the black curtains and guards ) this seems rather anemic.

I'm not a big believer in the G5 powerbook, but here's to a 1.4 GHz G4 with L3 cache and a 200 MHz bus - that'd be nice!

If it turns out to be an overclocked 7455, I'll have a nightmare sometime around 3 am tonight...

cb911
Sep 15, 2003, 08:29 PM
i'm hoping that the 'sources' are just very conservative.;)

crees!
Sep 15, 2003, 08:32 PM
Originally posted by Cooknn
I'm waiting for the G5 PB before I make the switch. Next week or next Spring - doesn't matter to me. Sooner would be better, but later means less debt :p

And just what if Apple is going to use the 7457 (or whatever the number is) in not this, but the next PB update? Then it would be atleast a YEAR before you have a G5PB. Think about that now. I'm switching and I'm buying whatever the heck is thrown at us tomorrow... hands down.

nagromme
Sep 15, 2003, 08:45 PM
This sounds right to me. 64 VRAM at the entry point (of the "mainstream" size) is nice.

I'd love a G5, but Apple can only do what's possible.

Worst case, no matter what, the best laptop (and running the beat OS) in the world is about to become an even better value.

Price-wise, of course PBG4 costs more than the iMac. It's a portable! (And it does have some added features too, like Cardbus expansion, lighted keys, DVI out... not to mention battery back-up.)

Omek
Sep 15, 2003, 08:48 PM
I'm buying it no matter what it is.... but I realllllly hope it's a G5, and perhaps they'll give the iBooks the G4 since they aren't present in the show at the moment. Ya have to admit, that's a little suspicious...

jamdr
Sep 15, 2003, 08:49 PM
Since the prices of the new powerbook range from $1999 to $2999, we can assume that the 12" will not be updated. If Apple is not going to update the 12", they couldn't possibly put G5 chips into the other PowerBooks. Also, it is even unlikely that they would put the 7457 into the 15" and 17", but not update the 12". Imagine, 867Mhz for the 12", 1.4Ghz for the 15" and 17". That's too big a gap.

theipodgod16
Sep 15, 2003, 08:49 PM
[QUOTE]How can Apple release the Powerbooks that are twice as expensive as imac that have the same processors?



Because a portable costs much more money to design and build than a desktop does. You have to have everything be much smaller, while maintaining decent cooling (something that the 12'' powerbook is sorely lacking) and good performance. Apple is also trying to keep most of its pro laptops under 1'' thin, which will cost them more money to do so than if they followed the wintel crowd and made them as thick as this toshiba. (The thing is 30% heavier and almost 2x as thick. (1'' for 17'' powerbook VS 1.8'' for toshiba satellite)
http://reviews.cnet.com/Toshiba_Satellite_P25_series/4505-3122_7-30422520.html?tag=lst

Makosuke
Sep 15, 2003, 08:52 PM
I'm sure there's going to be no end to the outcry at the "lame" powerbook announcements, but really, those specs look realistic to me. Yes, after such a long wait it'd be sure to see something a bit more exciting, but Apple can't do the impossible just because we want them to.

I never had the slightest bit of faith in a G5 PB at this point (I just don't see Apple having made that much of a deal about it not happening, nor the engineering coming together that quickly, and all without any real leaks), so a decent speedbump and maybe a price drop is about the best we can ask for. Apple is cool, but if Motorola and/or IBM can't give them what they need, they can't work miracles.

I've got a friend who'll be buying an iBook really soon, so I was holding out for a surprise iBook bump and/or a cheap 12" for her, but oh well. When you need a computer, you need a computer.

tizza
Sep 15, 2003, 08:54 PM
Originally posted by jamdr
Since the prices of the new powerbook range from $1999 to $2999, we can assume that the 12" will not be updated. If Apple is not going to update the 12", they couldn't possibly put G5 chips into the other PowerBooks. Also, it is even unlikely that they would put the 7457 into the 15" and 17", but not update the 12". Imagine, 867Mhz for the 12", 1.4Ghz for the 15" and 17". That's too big a gap.
Man I'll be disappointed if the 12"'s aren't updated. I'm surprised, as they are such a popular model too, and the one I was planning to get - maybe I should just cough up more and get the 15" if the 12" isn't there ... 6 more hours to wait anyway!!

Tommy Wasabi
Sep 15, 2003, 09:11 PM
OK - enough with the PB Speculation

If we are hoping - why not wish for the release of iTunes Windows? Could annouce a ship date in October (same time as Panther!)

As for iPods accessories - it's probably a microphone and color versions (not screen but case).

I just wish it was available via quicktime streaming. Oh well, I'll see ya guys in the AM.

pyrotoaster
Sep 15, 2003, 09:15 PM
Interesting...
Mac Rumors is a great source, but arn tends to be a bit more conservative in his speculation (not that that's a bad thing).

What we've got here is a thought out possibility that assumes Steve doesn't have too many tricks up his sleeve.

We'll know for sure in less than 6 hours.

you
Sep 15, 2003, 09:18 PM
Originally posted by chazmox
Yes, for all the security and seeming hoopla ( then again it is OUR hoopla - of course Apple does have the black curtains and guards ) this seems rather anemic.

I'm not a big believer in the G5 powerbook, but here's to a 1.4 GHz G4 with L3 cache and a 200 MHz bus - that'd be nice!

If it turns out to be an overclocked 7455, I'll have a nightmare sometime around 3 am tonight...

Are black security guards better than white ones??? :D

tuc
Sep 15, 2003, 09:31 PM
Ok, the specs have been yanked because they are suspect. Fair enough, i guess, but I'm kind of wondering what they were. I didn't get here until after they were yanked. oh well...

Lord Bodak
Sep 15, 2003, 09:33 PM
I missed the post! Now it just says [Probably Wrong] under specs. I thought this was Page 2, who cares if they're wrong? :D

Mattski
Sep 15, 2003, 09:35 PM
I'd be willing to bet that we will also see new iBooks.

It's been too long between drinks for the iBook.

I will be suprised if we don't see G4 iBooks with SuperDrives.

So the 12" could be demoted from PowerBook to iBook (it was only ever a G4 iBook anyhow).

supercres
Sep 15, 2003, 09:38 PM
Originally posted by crees!
I'm switching and I'm buying whatever the heck is thrown at us tomorrow... hands down.

Ditto that. I love the eMac I'm using now, but it's college-- a man needs his powerbook :D

Also hoping that "Garage Band" is released and that it turns out to be advanced-consumer-grade audio recording software/hardware...

But the powerbook comes first.

Edit: If it is a G5 PB (probably not, but here's hoping), don't those prices seem ridiculously low? I know, I know, they're cheaper to make (and IBM doesn't suck the nut that Moto does), but it's much newer technology... I think the delays and everything are pointing towards a 7457. An up-clocked 7455 just seems too hot for a 'Book that already has heat problems.

arn
Sep 15, 2003, 09:40 PM
The "pulled" specs where roughly

$1999, 15" PB, 1.0GHz, up to 2GB RAM, 64MB VRAM<BR>
$2?99, 15" PB, 1.25GHz, "" ""
$2999, 17" PB, 1.25GHz

the reason they were removed is that they are likely at least in part, wrong.

arn

Lord Bodak
Sep 15, 2003, 09:41 PM
Originally posted by arn
The "pulled" specs where roughly

$1999, 15" PB, 1.0GHz, up to 2GB RAM, 64MB VRAM<BR>
$2?99, 15" PB, 1.25GHz, "" ""
$2999, 17" PB, 1.25GHz

the reason they were removed is that they are likely at least in part, wrong.

Thanks arn.
New or old, I just want my 12" TO SHIP!!!!!

supercres
Sep 15, 2003, 09:47 PM
Originally posted by arn
the reason they were removed is that they are likely at least in part, wrong.

arn

Do you have new information that suggests these are wrong ? (I, for one, am hoping that they're understated...)

I know, I'm going crazy when the thing's almost 4 hours away, but still... I loves me some PowerBook rumors :rolleyes:

Puppies
Sep 15, 2003, 09:53 PM
Ugh, at least some of those had better have 128MB video RAM...

Other than that, it's pretty believable specs. Would have been a decent upgrade 4 months ago.

Or...they could be G5's at those clock speeds :D

requies
Sep 15, 2003, 10:03 PM
hey, maybe it will be the new 1" cube powerbook with intercranial holographic projection!

chazmox
Sep 15, 2003, 10:33 PM
All the secrecy is about Apple releasing a new....

NUMBER! Yes, the never before used "?"!!!

As in "The new PowerBook is only $2?99!!"

"Please, no bills larger than '?'."

!

arn
Sep 15, 2003, 10:34 PM
In case everyone missed it, I think the most interesting part of all this is:

"Based on some final whispers... the previous "software announcement" rumor was actually supposed to read "hardware announcement"...."

arn

noneis
Sep 15, 2003, 10:38 PM
please please let g5=hardware announcement be what your hinting at arn, i have been waiting for almost a year, got myself an apple loan today so i can order a new "whatever" the second it comes out, and my deepest wish would be a g5 powerbook, i have not been expecting it, though it seems all the stars might have alligned in the right place and we might at least get an "announcment" with the ability to order tomorow.

omg i cant wait any longer

JtheLemur
Sep 15, 2003, 10:44 PM
I hope Apple and Norelco teamed up to make the greatest electric razor ever made. =D

supercres
Sep 15, 2003, 10:46 PM
So what's the best place to go for realtime updates from the expo when 3 a.m. rolls around?

Is someone is paris going to be posting to an IRC channel?

noneis
Sep 15, 2003, 10:48 PM
been wondering the same thing, somone hook it up baby

bikertwin
Sep 15, 2003, 11:12 PM
Originally posted by arn
In case everyone missed it, I think the most interesting part of all this is:

"Based on some final whispers... the previous "software announcement" rumor was actually supposed to read "hardware announcement"...."

arn

The iVideoPod?

The iTablet?

The hardware accelerated RDF? :cool:

bikertwin
Sep 15, 2003, 11:47 PM
New monitors. That's gotta be it. The 17" especially is a little long in the tooth, especially considering you can buy one for under $400 with rebates. Apple's is just grossly overpriced. Maybe a widescreen 17" or 19" LCD to join the ranks? New enclosures (Aluminum)?

chazmox
Sep 15, 2003, 11:49 PM
Originally posted by arn
In case everyone missed it, I think the most interesting part of all this is:

"Based on some final whispers... the previous "software announcement" rumor was actually supposed to read "hardware announcement"...."

arn

As in MacWhispers??? Arrrgggghhhh!!!! Now they'll be nuthin... nuthin I tell ya!!!

reiggin
Sep 16, 2003, 12:02 AM
Okay. I can't hold it anymore. Right now, in an Apple Store somewhere in the south (protecting a friend who works there) is a collection of the new low-end 15" PB models. They will be shipping and ready for purchase tomorrow. I'm sure this applies for all if not most of the Apple Stores. The specs on the low-end: very similar enclose to the current 17" PB's, thinner (how thin, he didn't say), up to 2GB max RAM, 64 MB VRAM, 1 GHz (1.25 GHz in the yet unavailable model -- not in his store, anyhow). He didn't get more than that off the box before they shoved them away for tomorrow. I know this guy well enough to bet my firstborn on the truth of it.

arn
Sep 16, 2003, 12:06 AM
btw, the wrong-ness in the specs are probably due to the pricing and distribution.

15" 1.0, 1.25 is still possible.

arn

Rocketman
Sep 16, 2003, 01:00 AM
Originally posted by nagromme
Tlike Cardbus expansion, lighted keys, DVI out... not to mention battery back-up.)

I live in CA where we don't get power outages much so everyone is dependent on plugged-in computers, TV's Radio's, etc. Well, in our local resort community we had a power outage for almost 10 hours. I was on the internet as usual, the phone line working on a separate circuit, and the TiPBG4 battery good for almost 4 hours of working time when set at half processor speed. A few breaks for drinks (important to conserve battery life, don't you know), and I was the only one with full communication access and updated news on the power outage in my neighborhood.

Macs are emergency tools.

Rocketman

cb911
Sep 16, 2003, 01:15 AM
yes!! hardware!! :D everyone's hyped about a G5 PB now... but if they're still G4, they'll have to be 7457s, and from what i've read they're not a bad processor. they would still be sweet!! :D

hey supercres! i think most sites will have some sort of upto the minute report... there were quite a few that did that around WWDC. you could do a search and see who they were...

also the MacRumors IRC channel would be a good place to be. ;) irc.krono.net #macrumors... i think that's right... or i might be trying to mislead everyone so it doesn't clog the server!!:eek: :p :D

MacBandit
Sep 16, 2003, 01:40 AM
Originally posted by Rocketman
I live in CA where we don't get power outages much so everyone is dependent on plugged-in computers, TV's Radio's, etc. Well, in our local resort community we had a power outage for almost 10 hours. I was on the internet as usual, the phone line working on a separate circuit, and the TiPBG4 battery good for almost 4 hours of working time when set at half processor speed. A few breaks for drinks (important to conserve battery life, don't you know), and I was the only one with full communication access and updated news on the power outage in my neighborhood.

Macs are emergency tools.

Rocketman

So soon you forget the power crisis fiasco of last summer that caused the rest of the west coast to give you our power. This in tern caused us to buy power at a higher price elsewhere causing price hikes and yes does it sound like I'm a little perturbed by the arrogance that is Californian resource consumption.

No hard feeling to you. I'm sure you shut off everything when your not using them right!?

Cooknn
Sep 16, 2003, 05:10 AM
It's updated PB G4's gang. www.apple.com (http://www.apple.com) The wait begins... When do you suspect we'll see PB G5's - next Spring?

MacBandit
Sep 16, 2003, 11:25 AM
Originally posted by Cooknn
It's updated PB G4's gang. www.apple.com (http://www.apple.com) The wait begins... When do you suspect we'll see PB G5's - next Spring?

I'm pretty confident it will be Summer. I think Apple is waiting for the 90nm chips and according to time lines those probably will not be in mass production until the end of Spring.

panphage
Sep 16, 2003, 05:01 PM
Originally posted by MacBandit
So soon you forget the power crisis fiasco of last summer that caused the rest of the west coast to give you our power. This in tern caused us to buy power at a higher price elsewhere causing price hikes and yes does it sound like I'm a little perturbed by the arrogance that is Californian resource consumption.

No hard feeling to you. I'm sure you shut off everything when your not using them right!?

Maybe you haven't heard, but that "power crisis" was an engineered fraud designed to steal money from Cali and nearby states. It has nothing to do with Cali resource consumption. Los Angeles, by far the greatest consumer of power in California, had exactly 0 problems. Why? We have our own regulated government power monopoly, so Enron's manufactured power crisis didn't affect us. Go Government Monopoly! Err...

Puppies
Sep 16, 2003, 05:31 PM
Oh, now, I'm sure it's just a coincidence that the areas of California with government owned power didnít have black outs. Yeah, just a coincidence :D

panphage
Sep 17, 2003, 02:04 AM
Originally posted by Puppies
Oh, now, I'm sure it's just a coincidence that the areas of California with government owned power didnít have black outs. Yeah, just a coincidence :D

I don't know if that's directed at my comment or not, but that was my point. The Government power companies weren't forced to buy from Enron, they had their own generation facilities and so escaped the fraud that beggared the rest of the SW. Too bad none of the billionaire upper management of Enron will face the music for their crimes. A few dollars in a few White house pockets and it all seems to just fade away...

Puppies
Sep 17, 2003, 11:27 AM
Yeah, and then the White House goes on about how we need to drill for oil in Alaska to relieve the "energy crisis" in California...which their buddies CREATED. But gee, they don't give us any reason to be cynical or anything.

Oh well, at least it's still legal to bitch about it in public :)