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MacRumors
Nov 9, 2007, 10:37 AM
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Today, Apple launched the iPhone in select European countries.

Germany was the first to receive the iPhone via T-Mobile. One Flickr user (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ifun/sets/72157603019097572/) photo-documented the launch.


http://images.macrumors.com/article/2007/11/09/germany_tmobile_launch2_400.jpg

Courtesy Flickr user iFun (http://www.flickr.com/photos/ifun/sets/72157603019097572/)

Our iPhone Purchaser Meetups (http://forums.macrumors.com/forumdisplay.php?f=104) forum has been active with the Germany launch and the pending U.K. launch. Users at various stores report numbers "in the hundreds" coming to the event. Forum member Sneeks (http://forums.macrumors.com/showpost.php?p=4467213&postcount=23) notes that a webcam is available (http://www.bbc.co.uk/birmingham/content/webcams/bullring_inside_webcam.shtml) showing near-live shots of the Birmingham store.

The iPhone will launch in the U.K. at 6 pm London time, 1 pm EST.

Article Link (http://www.macrumors.com/2007/11/09/european-iphone-launches-germany-uk/)



Dagless
Nov 9, 2007, 10:39 AM
Can't believe it's finally here! Next month I'll be joining since they removed the 200mb internet limit.

HyperX
Nov 9, 2007, 10:41 AM
I wonder how many UK residence are worrying cause they decided to buy an Iphone instead of paying their Flood Insurance premium ;P

Dagless
Nov 9, 2007, 10:43 AM
I wonder how many UK residence are worrying cause they decided to buy an Iphone instead of paying their Flood Insurance premium ;P

Maybe the minority who live in areas prone to flooding? :D

iPhelim
Nov 9, 2007, 10:49 AM
it's released at 6.02pm GMT actually....get it, O2...02......o2!?

weg
Nov 9, 2007, 10:54 AM
Maybe the minority who live in areas prone to flooding? :D

Well, at least they can call the firefighters for help..
Oh, wait... did Steve Jobs approve of that number yet or are those poor people only able to call them after the iPhone is opened up in January next year? :D

liketom
Nov 9, 2007, 10:58 AM
well another hour and i'm ordering online :) with £20 off voucher too

Uragon
Nov 9, 2007, 11:04 AM
Congratulations to you guys, here is asia we still have to wait until next year....

Hopefully, with the version 2.

lofight
Nov 9, 2007, 11:06 AM
T-Mobile has already selled 10,000 iphones, see here (http://money.cnn.com/news/newsfeeds/articles/djf500/200711091115DOWJONESDJONLINE000689_FORTUNE5.htm)

slicecom
Nov 9, 2007, 11:10 AM
LUCKYYY!!!

/Napoleon Dynamite

Doylem
Nov 9, 2007, 11:18 AM
I'm trying to think of any combination of circumstances that would make me queue up up outside a shop...








Nope. Can't think of any...

offwidafairies
Nov 9, 2007, 11:20 AM
i cant believe people are still going crazy over the iphone. its so yesterday :p

dicklacara
Nov 9, 2007, 11:28 AM
I'm trying to think of any combination of circumstances that would make me queue up up outside a shop...








Nope. Can't think of any...

Did you see the slideshow from the T-Mobile in Germany?

Beer... Pretty girls... hors d'oeuvres... Pretty girls... iPhone... Pretty girls...

HyperX
Nov 9, 2007, 11:35 AM
Maybe the minority who live in areas prone to flooding? :D

Yeah we have a small area like that here in Holland... it's called THE ENTIRE COUNTRY ;)

Luckily we have these giant metal sea gates to defy the Flying Spaghetti Monster.

longofest
Nov 9, 2007, 11:38 AM
T-Mobile has already selled 10,000 iphones, see here (http://money.cnn.com/news/newsfeeds/articles/djf500/200711091115DOWJONESDJONLINE000689_FORTUNE5.htm)

Thanks... added that to the story

Dagless
Nov 9, 2007, 11:41 AM
Wonder how strict they'll be to the "2 minutes past 6" timing? Seems a bit mad to me, course it'll sell by the bucketload but wouldn't it be smarter releasing it in the morning?

EagerDragon
Nov 9, 2007, 11:46 AM
Yeah we have a small area like that here in Holland... it's called THE ENTIRE COUNTRY ;)

Luckily we have these giant metal sea gates to defy the Flying Spaghetti Monster.

Hummm what happens if the polar caps melt?

Veri
Nov 9, 2007, 11:47 AM
No wireless. Less space than a Nomad. Lame.

(Please don't kill me. But seriously, I'm not in the iPhone's target market; good luck to those it's good for).

HyperX
Nov 9, 2007, 11:54 AM
Hummm what happens if the polar caps melt?

Then Bigger Walls ;) *Besides that will only affect it 3 meters over the next 150 years*

Or We can wait for Super Gore to Save us all! *Swoons*

ucfgrad93
Nov 9, 2007, 11:58 AM
Wow, seeing those pictures reminds me of iDay here in the States. Stood in line 4 hours at two different stores to get one for my daughter.

Good times, good times...........:D

chr1s60
Nov 9, 2007, 11:59 AM
I would say 10,000 in the first day of sales is pretty good. Especially since there were quite a few people doubting that the iPhone would sell in Europe without 3G. It will be nice to see what the UK numbers are if they release them at all this week.

Spanky Deluxe
Nov 9, 2007, 12:10 PM
Just got home with my iPhone, yay!! :D

CrackedButter
Nov 9, 2007, 12:24 PM
Some pictures of the opening event in Swansea.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/crackedbutter/1935254601/

Phones4U tried to get in on the action from opposite the street.

twoodcc
Nov 9, 2007, 12:25 PM
looks like this will keep the iPhone talk alive. it's good for Apple though

Telp
Nov 9, 2007, 12:30 PM
10000 isn't bad... I dont think...

CrackedButter
Nov 9, 2007, 12:33 PM
Carphone Warehouse opposite the street in Swansea. 6:05. No need for the barrier I guess.

bugabuga
Nov 9, 2007, 12:40 PM
Carphone Warehouse opposite the street in Swansea. 6:05. No need for the barrier I guess.
Yeah, looks like it'll be the same as in Austin -- anyone who didn't want to stand in line and still wanted an iPhone could buy it at 7pm with no waiting in line :)

Now, on to waiting for 150 pounds price drop and 75 pounds coupons for early adopters :p

jayducharme
Nov 9, 2007, 12:46 PM
No need for the barrier I guess.

I wonder how many people in the UK who really wanted an iPhone (the ones who normally would be queued up) already bought one online months ago and unlocked it.

The figure from T-Mobile of 10,000 iPhones in one day doesn't exactly sound earth-shattering. Anyone know how quickly other cellphones usually sell in Europe?

koobcamuk
Nov 9, 2007, 12:49 PM
Manchester Arndale and City Centre (http://gallery.mac.com/martinirwin#100074&view=mosaic&sel=0) was a bit busier

Drinahn
Nov 9, 2007, 12:54 PM
Yey!

I was second in the queue for the Tooting Carphone Warehouse tonight. I only got there about 5:30pm, half an hour before opening time. One dude was standing there in the cold. Over the half hour as we waited, about another thirty people showed up and stood around with us. The brits are good at queuing.

Once in, the complete confusion of the carphone dudes was apparent. They had a shiny book telling them what to do, but you could see they hadn't read it beforehand. Eventually they worked it out - but the authentication gateway for the chip and pin machines was overloaded - we can guess where that came from eh?

Eventually things lightened up, and 10 mins later I was the first guy in Tooting with a legit UK iPhone.

I've just activated it and transferred my number over from Carphone to O2. Despite them saying it would take 5 days to generate the PAC code - Carphone had pre-generated PAC codes, so they gave it to me there and then in the store.

Activation process was smooth and flawless. No delays, no wait between pages beyond 10 seconds.

Kudos to Apple and Carphone. AAPL, may your stock price rise some more to make up for yesterday's ditch.

morespce54
Nov 9, 2007, 12:55 PM
Congratulations to you guys, here is asia we still have to wait until next year....

Hopefully, with the version 2.

Don't worry, Canadians haven't got it yet...
I guess it has something to do with the Canadian dollar ;)

CrackedButter
Nov 9, 2007, 12:58 PM
I wonder how many people in the UK who really wanted an iPhone (the ones who normally would be queued up) already bought one online months ago and unlocked it.

The figure from T-Mobile of 10,000 iPhones in one day doesn't exactly sound earth-shattering. Anyone know how quickly other cellphones usually sell in Europe?

While I was standing there, there were people walking past noticing the queue and seeing what was going on and all of them didn't even realise it was being released today. One guy just shouted "Oh iPhone, it's today"! He also said he'll come back next week for one.

Personally I don't think people are in a rush over here.

I'm not excited about it, I was in January though when I didn't know the contract terms. My friend even has an iPod touch and while I was impressed I was quickly bored of it even after he jailbroke it and showed me the "iTouch dock" and Super Mario Brothers.

Yey!

I was second in the queue for the Tooting Carphone Warehouse tonight. I only got there about 5:30pm, half an hour before opening time. One dude was standing there in the cold. Over the half hour as we waited, about another thirty people showed up and stood around with us. The brits are good at queuing.

Once in, the complete confusion of the carphone dudes was apparent. They had a shiny book telling them what to do, but you could see they hadn't read it beforehand. Eventually they worked it out - but the authentication gateway for the chip and pin machines was overloaded - we can guess where that came from eh?

Eventually things lightened up, and 10 mins later I was the first guy in Tooting with a legit UK iPhone.

I've just activated it and transferred my number over from Carphone to O2. Despite them saying it would take 5 days to generate the PAC code - Carphone had pre-generated PAC codes, so they gave it to me there and then in the store.

Activation process was smooth and flawless. No delays, no wait between pages beyond 10 seconds.

Kudos to Apple and Carphone. AAPL, may your stock price rise some more to make up for yesterday's ditch.

The Carphone Warehouse crew in Swansea were lucky, they only had 3 people in the store at 6pm, it looked like they were on the ball anyway.

miketcool
Nov 9, 2007, 01:01 PM
Yey!

I was second in the queue for the Tooting Carphone Warehouse tonight. I only got there about 5:30pm, half an hour before opening time. One dude was standing there in the cold. Over the half hour as we waited, about another thirty people showed up and stood around with us. The brits are good at queuing.

Its always fun to hear about how other countries are great at line formation. Now if only the 300 million in this country got a clue a learned to do the same. Its a good reason to stop taking the bus because people cram and make a mad dash to the door.

OllyW
Nov 9, 2007, 01:02 PM
I've just got back from the Merry Hill Centre, where there are two Carphone Warehouse stores and an O2 store inside the shopping mall.

I got there at 5:50 and there were 3 people waiting outside the first CW shop. I got down by the second CW and the O2 store just before 6:00 and there were 4 outside CW and about 20 waiting at O2, which opened a little earlier than advertised.

I carried on with my shopping and walked past again 20 minutes later and the CW store was fairly quiet. The O2 shop was busy though, they were selling quite steady and I couldn't get near the display iPhones. They had free mufffins and bottled water too. :)

The other CW store was empty, so I went in and had a play with one of the phones for 5 minutes and left it with MacRumors in the bookmarks. :D

BruceEBonus
Nov 9, 2007, 01:18 PM
So - the big question:
Would it've been smarter to have queued at 1802hrs tonight in the UK- forking out £269 quid plus 18 x £35 (minimum) monthly talk tariff
Or .. smarter to wait til tomorrow morning to do ... exactly the same thing?.
Hmmm .. lets think.
I reckon the sane option would be: to do neither.:eek:
No. Actually, the smartest option is to put the combined total of what it will cost to run this overpriced, overhyped, overpriced novelty-gadget (IE:£900) towards a brand new MacBook. And impress the same gullible mates with that instead. Not only will the resale value get you a good £600 back if you flog it in 18 months hence and you can smirk furiously right now when you realise the second hand value of a 1st Generation iPhone come mid 2009 will be about £150 if that.
So lets do the maths here:
iPhone + Astronomical O2 Contract = £900 with a total loss of £750 at least.
MacBook for the same money and a loss of £300 or less ...
Bit of a no brainer as our Transatlantic cousins might say, Mildred.:p
Still - logic and common sense never comes into it when the heart take over from the head decisionwise.
However, may I suggest to other potential UK buyers to buy a packet of Airwaves gum and chew on a coupla sticks to help clear your head before purchasing what will be last years `must have product of 2007' come January 2008.
Mmmmm Macbook. Funny, you always said it was too much of a luxury to afford. Now - all this time - maybe it wasnt . Ah'll sithee at the (ahem) ironically-named `Genius' counter then shall I?:apple:.

happydude
Nov 9, 2007, 01:20 PM
and finally the other countries get the blessed iphone. this is how jobs will meet his 10 million iphone mark. how many will be sold globally before christmas?!

eenu
Nov 9, 2007, 01:26 PM
http://gallery.mac.com/martinirwin#100074&view=mosaic&sel=0

theres me third guy sitting down! awesome event made good buy the people in the q!

Awesome phone i am loving it

phillipjfry
Nov 9, 2007, 01:27 PM
Seeing the numbers sold so far, Steve's mouth must be watering
Hopefully he doesn't drop the prices on the iphone again two months from now :)

it's released at 6.02pm GMT actually....get it, O2...02......o2!?

*cough cough* :( :p


Also I keep hearing Canadians wanting their share of the iphone madness, has there been no plans AT ALL to release to our little brothers up north?

Di9it8
Nov 9, 2007, 01:28 PM
Went to Selfridges in Central London, waited 5 minutes left with iPhone:):):)
Now all I have to do is wait for Orange to pac me, their system has been down all day, lucky they did not win the contract!!

TheSpecialist
Nov 9, 2007, 01:32 PM
Isn't 10,000 phones really low?

Bonte
Nov 9, 2007, 01:39 PM
10000 isn't bad... I dont think...

Not that good i think, the stock tanked to 170 today. We don't have that many free wifi, the touch is already for sale and we always had top tech cellphones to begin with.

And i won't be getting one because off the ridiculous monthly rates, i'l probably just settle with the Touch.

koobcamuk
Nov 9, 2007, 01:39 PM
Taken with my iPhone :D

http://gallery.mac.com/martinirwin/100074/IMG_0062/web.jpg

I wanna get on the front page for once :(

lofight
Nov 9, 2007, 01:41 PM
Taken with my iPhone :D

http://gallery.mac.com/martinirwin/100074/IMG_0062/web.jpg

I wanna get on the front page for once :(

mmmm.... wondering why the Disney store is next to the Apple store.... mmmm

richardtalbotuk
Nov 9, 2007, 01:49 PM
Is it true they are not taking cash payments for these?

That would really annoy me.

lazyrighteye
Nov 9, 2007, 01:52 PM
These pix remind me of the US launch - good fun!
Glad other countries can finally start playing.
Enjoy!

skellener
Nov 9, 2007, 01:54 PM
I guess no one learned from the U.S. launch that you can wait a week after the release and just walk in and buy an iPhone without any hassles of waiting on a line for hours and hours. Europeans aren't so smart. ;)

Di9it8
Nov 9, 2007, 02:00 PM
iPhone up and running already:D:D:D:D:):):):)

happydude
Nov 9, 2007, 02:01 PM
Congratulations to you guys, here is asia we still have to wait until next year....

Hopefully, with the version 2.

don't you guys have access to WAY better phones than the iphone?

OllyW
Nov 9, 2007, 02:01 PM
I guess no one learned from the U.S. launch that you can wait a week after the release and just walk in and buy an iPhone without any hassles of waiting on a line for hours and hours. Europeans aren't so smart. ;)

No need to wait a week, I could have got one tonight without any bother. The Carphone Warehouse I went into at 6:30 was almost empty.

lshaner
Nov 9, 2007, 02:05 PM
Interesting tech note:

http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=306955

Issue or symptom

When first activating an iPhone purchased in the UK (or using iTunes to restore a UK iPhone to the factory settings), the iPhone is configured for the US English keyboard and dictionary. Certain keys such as the £ key may not be where you may expect, and typing in a word may result in US English spelling suggestion.
Products affected

* iPhone purchased in the UK
* iTunes 7.5 or later (required to activate iPhone purchased in the UK)
* iPhone Software 1.1.2

Solution

After activating for the first time (or restoring), choose Settings > International > Keyboards and set English (UK) to "On."

dicklacara
Nov 9, 2007, 02:06 PM
Isn't 10,000 phones really low?

According to what I read, 10,000 were sold by the afternoon of the 1st day in Germany. The Cologne store had a special opening at Midnight... no mention of other stores, so they prolly opened at regular hours.

Simplesimon101
Nov 9, 2007, 02:11 PM
just walked passed a carphone warehouse in the middle of a big city (bristol) that was open late for the iPhone... only seemed to be sales staff inside (although i guess the early adopters would've gone to an 02 shop or taveled to an apple shop somewhere?)

umm...?

cjmal
Nov 9, 2007, 02:12 PM
People who just bought their phones...how are the screens? Negative blacks?

BufferOverflow
Nov 9, 2007, 02:14 PM
First person in Stockton to buy an iPhone from O2! Posting from it currently :) Activation was a breeze, had service on my existing O2 number within 5 minutes!

I love it!

Drinahn
Nov 9, 2007, 02:19 PM
So - the big question:
Would it've been smarter to have queued at 1802hrs tonight in the UK- forking out £269 quid plus 18 x £35 (minimum) monthly talk tariff
Or .. smarter to wait til tomorrow morning to do ... exactly the same thing?.
Hmmm .. lets think.
I reckon the sane option would be: to do neither.:eek:
No. Actually, the smartest option is to put the combined total of what it will cost to run this overpriced, overhyped, overpriced novelty-gadget (IE:£900) towards a brand new MacBook. And impress the same gullible mates with that instead. Not only will the resale value get you a good £600 back if you flog it in 18 months hence and you can smirk furiously right now when you realise the second hand value of a 1st Generation iPhone come mid 2009 will be about £150 if that.
So lets do the maths here:
iPhone + Astronomical O2 Contract = £900 with a total loss of £750 at least.
MacBook for the same money and a loss of £300 or less ...
Bit of a no brainer as our Transatlantic cousins might say, Mildred.:p
Still - logic and common sense never comes into it when the heart take over from the head decisionwise.
However, may I suggest to other potential UK buyers to buy a packet of Airwaves gum and chew on a coupla sticks to help clear your head before purchasing what will be last years `must have product of 2007' come January 2008.
Mmmmm Macbook. Funny, you always said it was too much of a luxury to afford. Now - all this time - maybe it wasnt . Ah'll sithee at the (ahem) ironically-named `Genius' counter then shall I?:apple:.

Dude, it's not the point. It's a very very capable device and its software is remarkably elegant. I don't want a MacBook, I have a MBP and an iMac. This phone isn't priced at your Macbook using public, it's a premium phone aimed at the top end of the market. Just like most macs. Agreed, it's expensive in the scheme of things, go buy a Nokia if it's too much.

joseph2166
Nov 9, 2007, 02:24 PM
So - the big question:
Would it've been smarter to have queued at 1802hrs tonight in the UK- forking out £269 quid plus 18 x £35 (minimum) monthly talk tariff
Or .. smarter to wait til tomorrow morning to do ... exactly the same thing?.
Hmmm .. lets think.
I reckon the sane option would be: to do neither.:eek:
No. Actually, the smartest option is to put the combined total of what it will cost to run this overpriced, overhyped, overpriced novelty-gadget (IE:£900) towards a brand new MacBook. And impress the same gullible mates with that instead. Not only will the resale value get you a good £600 back if you flog it in 18 months hence and you can smirk furiously right now when you realise the second hand value of a 1st Generation iPhone come mid 2009 will be about £150 if that.
So lets do the maths here:
iPhone + Astronomical O2 Contract = £900 with a total loss of £750 at least.
MacBook for the same money and a loss of £300 or less ...
Bit of a no brainer as our Transatlantic cousins might say, Mildred.:p
Still - logic and common sense never comes into it when the heart take over from the head decisionwise.
However, may I suggest to other potential UK buyers to buy a packet of Airwaves gum and chew on a coupla sticks to help clear your head before purchasing what will be last years `must have product of 2007' come January 2008.
Mmmmm Macbook. Funny, you always said it was too much of a luxury to afford. Now - all this time - maybe it wasnt . Ah'll sithee at the (ahem) ironically-named `Genius' counter then shall I?:apple:.

Lol why all the venom?! You do also appear to be comparing a laptop to a phone - not a strictly accurate comparison but there you go.

Luckily for me I'm happy with my new iPhone - despite me being ripped off, paying far too much, being tied to one carrier, only getting an 'old' 2g phone with only a 2megapixel camera, and having to wait till 6 in the evening to buy it!

Drinahn
Nov 9, 2007, 02:26 PM
People who just bought their phones...how are the screens? Negative blacks?

No negative black issues on mine.

cjmal
Nov 9, 2007, 02:29 PM
No negative black issues on mine.

Week Please :)

Tobi_Wan_Kenobi
Nov 9, 2007, 02:34 PM
I wonder how many people in the UK who really wanted an iPhone (the ones who normally would be queued up) already bought one online months ago and unlocked it.

The figure from T-Mobile of 10,000 iPhones in one day doesn't exactly sound earth-shattering. Anyone know how quickly other cellphones usually sell in Europe?

So Germany has about 1/3 of the US population. Apple sold 200k on the first 2 1/2 days in the US. That would translate to 67k units in Germany until close of business Sunday. With only 10k sold it is very doubtfull they will reach that number.

fireplace
Nov 9, 2007, 02:38 PM
The apple shop in regent street had what i thought was a small queue as I went past on my bike, the railings were full in front of the shop but no more. Then I turned the corner and there were more queues - they were only allowed to do it on non used shopfronts! there must have been a couple of hundred waiting - at least.

silly buggers:p

smiddlehurst
Nov 9, 2007, 02:39 PM
So - the big question:
Would it've been smarter to have queued at 1802hrs tonight in the UK- forking out £269 quid plus 18 x £35 (minimum) monthly talk tariff
Or .. smarter to wait til tomorrow morning to do ... exactly the same thing?.
Hmmm .. lets think.
I reckon the sane option would be: to do neither.:eek:
No. Actually, the smartest option is to put the combined total of what it will cost to run this overpriced, overhyped, overpriced novelty-gadget (IE:£900) towards a brand new MacBook. And impress the same gullible mates with that instead. Not only will the resale value get you a good £600 back if you flog it in 18 months hence and you can smirk furiously right now when you realise the second hand value of a 1st Generation iPhone come mid 2009 will be about £150 if that.
So lets do the maths here:
iPhone + Astronomical O2 Contract = £900 with a total loss of £750 at least.
MacBook for the same money and a loss of £300 or less ...
Bit of a no brainer as our Transatlantic cousins might say, Mildred.:p
Still - logic and common sense never comes into it when the heart take over from the head decisionwise.
However, may I suggest to other potential UK buyers to buy a packet of Airwaves gum and chew on a coupla sticks to help clear your head before purchasing what will be last years `must have product of 2007' come January 2008.
Mmmmm Macbook. Funny, you always said it was too much of a luxury to afford. Now - all this time - maybe it wasnt . Ah'll sithee at the (ahem) ironically-named `Genius' counter then shall I?:apple:.

Of course if you actually want to, you know, make phone calls on it then the Macbook isn't quite the ideal option. And carrying a Macbook in your trouser pocket might be a bit tricky unless you're MC Hammer. Oh, and using a Macbook while crammed like sardines in a tube carriage might also get you a few resentful looks (and more than likely a few not-so-subtle elbows to the ribs if my fellow London commuters live up to their usual high standards). Plus it's considerably harder to slip a Macbook away unobtrusively if you have to walk through darkened city streees....

Seriously, this is the most baffling post I've read for some time. The two devices are completely different, address entirely different markets and work on entirely different pricing models. The tariff is about right considering there's free unlimited data AND wifi access thrown in (albeit via the cloud network but still, better than nothing). The only real criticism is that the phone itself costs £269 but that's up to the individual user to decide whether or not they want to pay it. Considering that Apple is pitching for a small niche in the market by their own admission I'd say they've got it about right.

Oh, and as for "novelty gadget"... whether you want to admit it or not the one thing the iPhone is most definately NOT is a novelty. This is a smartphone which can be used by the general public, which has an interface that's actually fast (unlike, oh, say Nokia smartphones), easy to use (there go the Windows Smartphones, and I've owned several including the first Orange SPV so that's based on experience) and looks fantastic. This is a device that will do for phone interfaces what the RAZR did for case design a few years ago and for that, if nothing else, anyone who uses a mobile should at least give a nod of thanks to Apple. If this is what it takes to get Nokia, Sony, Motorola, Samsung and the rest focused on producing a better interface then it's been worth every last word of hype that's been written in the last twelve months.

BruceEBonus
Nov 9, 2007, 02:40 PM
Lol why all the venom?! You do also appear to be comparing a laptop to a phone

Says the bloke who was first in the line for the Technicolour Dreamcoats(!)
Its not venom .. more frothing .. at the mouth ... in disbelief that style really does rule over substance.
I have similar thoughts with the iPod Touch. I think the iPhone is better value than the Touch - IF there was no Albatross-Neck-Accoutrement aka - The Devil's O2 Contract. The IPod Touch is just that .. a Touch-screen MP3 Player and a WiFi only Net toy. BUt the Phone at least.. has a .. phone for practicallythe same price. I just get angry at Rip-Off Britain living up to its name by allowing ONE monopoly to get access to the iPhone AND forget all about the concept of subisidising. The whole POINT of a top end tarrif (which £35 is nowadays) - is to subsidise the cost price of a high end smartphone. But the iPhone is already a whopppingly high price despite that.
So why the need for such high tarriffs and long contracts?. Its greed.And reliance on folks' need for exclusivity.I just hate cynical attitudes by large corporations. Its because Im getting older too apparently!. ;)

[/QUOTE]Luckily for me I'm happy with my new iPhone - despite me being ripped off, paying far too much, being tied to one carrier, only getting an 'old' 2g phone with only a 2megapixel camera, and having to wait till 6 in the evening to buy it![/QUOTE]

I admire your knowing acceptance of your `frivolous' purchase.About a year ago I bought a TMobile MDA II PDA Phone meself for £150.. its great .. well .. was great .. mmmm .. not bad .. oh alright then .. its free now .. but 18month contract?. Never again. ITs too long to be tied in and too long to wait to upgrade.

We'd make a great team by the way.
You the eternal optimist .. me.. the complete opposite.
You work for Jobs .. I'll be PR Man for Gates!. :rolleyes:

BruceEBonus
Nov 9, 2007, 02:49 PM
You'll need trousers like MC Hammer.
The two devices are completely different, address entirely different markets and work on entirely different pricing models.

A fitting comparison! MC Hammer "Cant touch this" .. Touch this?. Touch screen?. OH forget it then, readers....
Yeah I have to agree that I didnt perhaps make the best analogy there - notebook PCs dont make phone calls .. and dont have touch screens and ... dont have 18month contracts ;) BUT being indomitably Scottish-bred - I have to see value in things. And Id rather spend the £900 on something with better resale value and practical use in a few months time.

Just ignore me .. I'll sit in the corner then. Stay quiet but make the odd muttering and "Told you so" should any wobble in the forum members' voices be detected! Ha, ha!

MacTheSpoon
Nov 9, 2007, 02:56 PM
Enjoy your iPhones, guys! :) I bought mine on the first release day here in the US, have been very happy with it ever since.

rish
Nov 9, 2007, 02:57 PM
7:20pm jumped into my motor.

7:22pm at O2 shop Tooting, London, UK (for anyone who doens't know where that is). 7:25pm guy greets (3mins to find parking) me at the door with iPhone leaflet, I say you got any, he says yes, I say I want one now. Out the store at 7:30pm with my phone. No queue. Awesome.

lord patton
Nov 9, 2007, 03:04 PM
Then Bigger Walls ;) *Besides that will only affect it 3 meters over the next 150 years*

Or We can wait for Super Gore to Save us all! *Swoons*

Dude, Man-Bear-Pig is not to be taken lightly.

kwfl
Nov 9, 2007, 03:05 PM
my first post from the iPhone. I assure u I can eat it.

lazyrighteye
Nov 9, 2007, 03:28 PM
I guess no one learned from the U.S. launch that you can wait a week after the release and just walk in and buy an iPhone without any hassles of waiting on a line for hours and hours. Europeans aren't so smart. ;)

The line at the Aspen Grove in Denver, CO was about 150 deep.
Took ~30 minutes to move the entire line.
Meaning, ~30-45 minutes after launch, anyone could walk right in and get their iPhone.

EagerDragon
Nov 9, 2007, 03:39 PM
I guess no one learned from the U.S. launch that you can wait a week after the release and just walk in and buy an iPhone without any hassles of waiting on a line for hours and hours. Europeans aren't so smart. ;)

Maybe they want it today, hard to have it today if you buy it a week from now.

Shoesy
Nov 9, 2007, 03:44 PM
Yay iPhone! Got one lovely! syncing now! woo!

p.s. I'm a little excited.

Steve Jobs=God
Nov 9, 2007, 04:15 PM
So take it they came with 1.1.2 preinstalled?

I've been very depressed all day because my mum decided that lending 2 grand to my sister for a car was more important then buying me an iPhone for my birthday tomorrow :(

fiftydollarshoe
Nov 9, 2007, 04:23 PM
Carphone warehouse insurance policy on iPhone: 40 quid per quarter (3 months) and can only replace your iPhone twice only.......... if you don't take insurance you have to buy a new iPhone and you cannot port your number AND your 18 months starts again........ (this is if you loose it, it gets stolen or iPhone breaks).........iPhone defective limit is only last 21 days... after that you're on your own....... ummm and if you buy an iPhone take it home and it fails the credit check you have 7 days to bring it back for a full refund.......

bilbo--baggins
Nov 9, 2007, 04:33 PM
Carphone warehouse insurance policy on iPhone: 40 quid per quarter (3 months) and can only replace your iPhone twice only.......... if you don't take insurance you have to buy a new iPhone and you cannot port your number AND your 18 months starts again........ (this is if you loose it, it gets stolen or iPhone breaks).........iPhone defective limit is only last 21 days... after that you're on your own....... ummm and if you buy an iPhone take it home and it fails the credit check you have 7 days to bring it back for a full refund.......

Hmm, I bought mine at the O2 shop today. They offered me insurance for £7.50 per month, could be cancelled at any time. I asked what would happen if I broke/lost my iPhone if I didn't have insurance - they said I could buy another one and carry on with the same contract. They didn't say I'd lose my number or have to start a new 18 month contract - they said I could continue with my existing contract.

rjdeathe
Nov 9, 2007, 04:35 PM
Bought an o2 UK iPhone today, friday 09 Nov, and taking it back tomorrow morning.

After much in-depth conversation with 3 or 4 'knowledgeable o2 advisors' in a variety of o2 stores regarding tariff policies and transferring existing tariffs on to the iPhone it was assured to me that I could transfer my existing £25/mnth 1000 texts, 500 off-peak minute 12 month contract o2 tariff on to the iPhone.

Accepting this iPhone purchased returned home to 'activate' to be confronted with the 3 tariffing options, the 'cheapest' being £35/mnth 200 texts and 200 minutes, 18 month contract- no thanks. After much lengthy unproductive/repetitive conversation with a very rude o2 phone centre advisor and after a loss of patients the decision to return the iPhone for I'm promised 'full money back', I hold my breathe.

R J Deathe

Steve Jobs=God
Nov 9, 2007, 04:42 PM
Bought an o2 UK iPhone today, friday 09 Nov, and taking it back tomorrow morning.

After much in-depth conversation with 3 or 4 'knowledgeable o2 advisors' in a variety of o2 stores regarding tariff policies and transferring existing tariffs on to the iPhone it was assured to me that I could transfer my existing £25/mnth 1000 texts, 500 off-peak minute 12 month contract o2 tariff on to the iPhone.

Accepting this iPhone purchased returned home to 'activate' to be confronted with the 3 tariffing options, the 'cheapest' being £35/mnth 200 texts and 200 minutes, 18 month contract- no thanks. After much lengthy unproductive/repetitive conversation with a very rude o2 phone centre advisor and after a loss of patients the decision to return the iPhone for I'm promised 'full money back', I hold my breathe.

R J Deathe

So you've been waiting for the iPhone for a good few months and have not once checked out the tariff options? it does make it quite clear that you can't do that on practically every site that has the tariff options

rjdeathe
Nov 9, 2007, 04:47 PM
Yes I had been waiting and even held off purchasing a 'sim-free' iPhone when I was in the US earlier this year and was aware of the existence of iPhone tariffs but the assurance by as I say 3 or 4 different 'o2 advisors' in a variety of stores that I could transfer my existing tariff directly on to the iPhone to me , perhaps foolishly, implied that there was no need to be concerned with changing tariff being an existing o2 contract holder.

minik
Nov 9, 2007, 04:56 PM
Even though I'm living in the state, it's still a good news.

mjstew33
Nov 9, 2007, 05:13 PM
Isn't 10,000 phones really low?

for the first day?
i'd say no.

Plumbstone
Nov 9, 2007, 05:26 PM
I was meant to a getting a few for friends and family, Got to CW about 5.45, managed to get them but only after waiting over an our while the Chip and pin system was overloaded and ended up buying 2 with CASH. I think they were getting desperate as all their customers were heading to the O2 store down the road.

The craziest thing was that there was a guy at the front of the queue who had been there a while who was shopping for a Sony Erricson K850i! Weird. Anyway, then headed to the O2 store and got another 2 in under 3 minutes..

In fact I am pretty impressed with o2.

And more impressed with the iphone.

Willis
Nov 9, 2007, 06:04 PM
Got an iPhone :)

well, my sister has anyway, its soooo slick... oooo

weckart
Nov 9, 2007, 06:17 PM
So Germany has about 1/3 of the US population. Apple sold 200k on the first 2 1/2 days in the US. That would translate to 67k units in Germany until close of business Sunday. With only 10k sold it is very doubtfull they will reach that number.

Some of those 200k were sales bound for outside of the US. Even my local second hand computer shop had a handful of sets for sale more than a month before the official launch. The novelty has long worn off, methinks.

Unless people are holding back for Christmas, looks like the iPhone is only an also-ran in Germany, and from the lack of crowds in the UK photos pretty much a flop here, too.

mattydodgy
Nov 9, 2007, 06:29 PM
I was the first person in Lancaster to buy an iPhone. I also queued up for 3 hours and other people only just turned up at about half past five... Gutted for me then, waiting in the freezing cold... I'm on my iPhone now watching family guy... Loves it... Smile Canada yours will come soon...

TheNightPhoenix
Nov 9, 2007, 06:32 PM
I was meant to a getting a few for friends and family, Got to CW about 5.45, managed to get them but only after waiting over an our while the Chip and pin system was overloaded and ended up buying 2 with CASH. .

Yer I had a problem with there system... but I still managed to leave the store with two before 6pm! God bless em, they might now be able to work tills but they can't tell the time either!

I'm making a complaint about the wait, its not as if they couldn't have prepared for it and it was about 5:40 so they can't blame it on heavy use when they aren't even supposed to be open yet. Plus i got the hard sell on the insurance and accessories. blag!

chr1s60
Nov 9, 2007, 06:36 PM
Isn't 10,000 phones really low?

I think that is a decent number. I don't think Apple or anyone else expected them to sell in Germany at the same rate they did in the US on the first weekend. In fact I am pretty sure Apple doesn't expect those same kind of numbers again. I am guessing they will sell 35k-40k or so this weekend. Not great, but not bad. I think it just shows a reasonable size demand for iPhone in Germany and not the extreme hype there was in the US.

monkeyson
Nov 9, 2007, 06:43 PM
God, that was awful.

By chance I was in Leeds city centre this evening around 6pm, and the O2 and Carphone Warehouse shops were open, selling the iPhone. The local Apple dealer (we don't have an Apple Store) was shut (at least by the time I got to it).

The staff in the O2 shop didn't seem to know anything about EDGE or O2's coverage in the area, and seemed to be under the impression that anybody actually cared about O2 and their exclusive contracts. They don't. O2 is just a necessary annoyance in getting an otherwise lovely phone.

But that was nothing compared to the people in Carphone Warehouse, who were just complete tossers. It was like being offered a phone contract by Bernard Manning. They were loitering around in the street, pestering passers by, slagging off the O2 shop (whilst showing off how they themselves offered 'better customer service'), and going on about how great it was that people who had imported iPhones would be locked out now that the UK launch had happened. I think I'll put those people in 5th, 6th, and 7th position in the list of people I'd genuinely like to slap in the face (after President George Bush, snooker player Stephen Hendry, smug UK standup Jimmy Carr, and some sporty athletic guy I knew and hated from school). Do they receive special training on how to annoy potential customers?

Apple need to sort this out - it was just plain bad.


(Hello, by the way. Long time lurker, but my first post on the forums.)

maehara
Nov 9, 2007, 06:54 PM
Hmmm. No "back door" route to getting it PAYG, then? If that's the case, I'll pass - can't justify £35/mth...

felixkunze
Nov 9, 2007, 07:06 PM
Our Launch attendance at Regent street was decidedly more exciting than some of the posts on this thread.

We met Phil Shiller, chatted for about 5 mins, got interviewed on CNN, got some inside skinny on paying with cash (possible!) and were generally well entertained and obviously now have our wonderful iPhones in hand.

Have a look on my YouTube Channel (http://www.youtube.com/felixkunze) and my Flickr Page (http://www.flickr.com/photos/felixkunze).

Altogether very impressed with the experience. Particularly because Phil was very genuinely interested in what our experience was with activation as we were probably one of the only people activating right on the spot. Nice chap, I have to say.

Poncho
Nov 9, 2007, 07:56 PM
i'm glad someone else wants to smack Jimmy Carr.

CrackedButter
Nov 9, 2007, 08:08 PM
i'm glad someone else wants to smack Jimmy Carr.

I want to give him a slap as well. Maybe we should form another queue for doing this?

rjwill246
Nov 9, 2007, 09:21 PM
Says the bloke who was first in the line for the Technicolour Dreamcoats(!)
Its not venom .. more frothing .. at the mouth ... in disbelief that style really does rule over substance.
I admire your knowing acceptance of your `frivolous' purchase.About a year ago I bought a TMobile MDA II PDA Phone meself for £150.. its great .. well .. was great .. mmmm .. not bad .. oh alright then .. its free now .. but 18month contract?. Never again. ITs too long to be tied in and too long to wait to upgrade.

We'd make a great team by the way.
You the eternal optimist .. me.. the complete opposite.
You work for Jobs .. I'll be PR Man for Gates!. :rolleyes:

This is a very odd attitude, mate. First off, no one is being forced into buying the iPhone and when they do, it is with full knowledge of the plusses and minuses of dealing with O2. To describe this as a frivolous purchase and accepting style over substance shows that you are frothing with venom/envy or are clueless about the iPhone itself.

As a user since June 29th, I can tell you I now have zero interest in any other communication device, even though it has limitations-- which will be removed in the next few months, after which, there is simply no competition. Windows Mobile is still windows and the menus etc are remnants of Noah's ark. OS X mobile on the other hand is quite another animal, thankfully.

Not sure where you are coming from, but if you are trying to enlighten anyone, you have failed since your message is flawed from begining to end. Lots of heat, no light!!!

Users of the iPhone know you are dead wrong and that is what makes your rant so spectacularly suicidal in its dead-end course. For those people who might be swayed by your remarks, I direct you to the surveys showing that user satisfaction for this product is almost unheard of. What rock have you been living under? Stonehenge???

quigleybc
Nov 9, 2007, 09:44 PM
frickin Canada sucks.

Stella
Nov 9, 2007, 10:01 PM
frickin Canada sucks.

Well, Vancouver sucks, it never stops raining, just like the UK!

elgruga
Nov 9, 2007, 10:34 PM
Says the bloke who was first in the line for the Technicolour Dreamcoats(!)
Its not venom .. more frothing .. at the mouth ... in disbelief that style really does rule over substance.


Yes, style DOES rule over substance - it always has. Style is a way of advertising what a cool person you are - it helps you get women, employment, money, friends, etc.

Substance is what happens after the 'Style period' is over, or in this case, when the iPhone has to be used every day, making - gasp! - phone calls and using all its GREAT features.

And you know what? I wouldnt trade you 100 crappy Nokias or what-have-you's for one beautiful, useful, easy to use, brilliant iPhone.

If you are tired of the iPhone, you are tired of advertising yourself - that is to say, tired of the essential and constant posing and posturing and sheer visceral fun we call......life. Or iLife if you will.

Lighten up Bruce, its not the end of the world.

Dont worry about the cost - money should be spent as fast as possible before it all goes.....

And one more thing...the iPhone does NOT have a manual! Isn't that fact alone enough of a reason to buy one?

elgruga
Nov 9, 2007, 10:40 PM
Well, Vancouver sucks, it never stops raining, just like the UK!

As opposed to Toronto where its like an unpleasant trip back to the fifties, with stiff people and stiff hair and stiff 'business suits' and limp everything else.
Horrible place.

And every Vancouverite knows - you do NOT have to shovel rain......

CJD2112
Nov 9, 2007, 11:39 PM
As opposed to Toronto where its like an unpleasant trip back to the fifties, with stiff people and stiff hair and stiff 'business suits' and limp everything else.
Horrible place.

And every Vancouverite knows - you do NOT have to shovel rain......

LMAO Best post on Macrumors... and I've been to TO (as they call it). It's a WASTELAND, with the coughcoughmafiacoughcough building acres of "condos" (and that means stone houses piled on top of each other in the same exact style over, and over, and over) creating the WORST traffic I have ever seen (and that's after having lived in southern california). I once read that "real estate developers" (you know, the kind that bury their enemies in concrete) wanted to raze "Canada's Wonderland" for the land to build more stone boxes. I laughed when I thought of that prospect. Sadly, downtown TO looks like a desert once 5 o'clock hits on the weekdays and everyone drives back in two hours traffic to their over priced cookie cutter condo.

Vancouver and MTL ROCK!

DaveClarkOne
Nov 10, 2007, 12:53 AM
i cant believe people are still going crazy over the iphone. its so yesterday :p

Oh, get real. Your dismissive comment offers no information. Compared to what? The iPhone has been eclipsed by some better phone? Provide some evidence of your intelligence on the subject matter...we're waiting....

DaveClarkOne
Nov 10, 2007, 01:00 AM
don't you guys have access to WAY better phones than the iphone?


Hey happydude...do you have some proprietary definition of "WAY Better?"

Like what? Or is it your business to insult the Germans that they don't know any better. Please advise us what they SHOULD BE buying, since you seem to possess "inside information."

There s/be a bozo filter on this forum...

sananda
Nov 10, 2007, 01:32 AM
Have a look on my YouTube Channel (http://www.youtube.com/felixkunze) and my Flickr Page (http://www.flickr.com/photos/felixkunze).


great pics!

lofight
Nov 10, 2007, 01:47 AM
i think 10,000 is a good number, i don't know any other phone that did it better in Germany, and i think the % of people really buying it is in America a little bit higher

Goldenbear
Nov 10, 2007, 01:51 AM
Lol why all the venom?! You do also appear to be comparing a laptop to a phone - not a strictly accurate comparison but there you go...

Please don't feed the trolls... especially ones that think a laptop is analogous to a phone.

OS X Dude
Nov 10, 2007, 03:02 AM
The craziest thing was that there was a guy at the front of the queue who had been there a while who was shopping for a Sony Erricson K850i!

Methinks he with the K850i got the better deal :cool:

Di9it8
Nov 10, 2007, 03:03 AM
Replying from my iPhone :D:)
This is the business

OS X Dude
Nov 10, 2007, 03:06 AM
And one more thing...the iPhone does NOT have a manual! Isn't that fact alone enough of a reason to buy one?

I quite enjoy flicking through the manuals...all part of the "new gadget owning experience" in my (mac) book!!!

vendettabass
Nov 10, 2007, 03:56 AM
wow my iPhone rules :d

EVH
Nov 10, 2007, 04:28 AM
Hey all,

First post from the iPhone :)

Went down the o2 store last night at 6pm and was second in line. Managed to buy 2 phones, 1 is unlocked the other I'm selling unlocked.

Very happy with the phone.

vstephenson
Nov 10, 2007, 04:31 AM
Hi

As a Brit watching from afar (Japan) it is nice to see people in the UK getting excited about gadgets. I think it's good for tech in the UK generally when a product like this gets mainstream attention.

Hopefully it will bring about improvements in associated services like the proliferation of wifi spots etc as UK infrastructure is pretty crap.

Big sighs from me though as no 3G means I can't have one so I have to just contain my early adopter frustrations for now.

I have got a jailbroken Touch though and I dooo like that, the perfect PDA for me

Goodluck to all you new shiny iPhone owners!

Cheers
Vincent

210
Nov 10, 2007, 04:33 AM
I don't think 1st day sales is at all representative of how successful the iPhone is. Many people are tied to a contract with another network. I have to wait until September until my contract expires with Orange.

Pierremaison
Nov 10, 2007, 04:46 AM
Lol why all the venom?! You do also appear to be comparing a laptop to a phone - not a strictly accurate comparison but there you go.

Luckily for me I'm happy with my new iPhone - despite me being ripped off, paying far too much, being tied to one carrier, only getting an 'old' 2g phone with only a 2megapixel camera, and having to wait till 6 in the evening to buy it!



I agree mine is fantastic.

horneyboy91
Nov 10, 2007, 05:07 AM
Hey all,

First post from the iPhone :)

Went down the o2 store last night at 6pm and was second in line. Managed to buy 2 phones, 1 is unlocked the other I'm selling unlocked.

Very happy with the phone.
How did you manage to unlock it EVH? Been trying all night to no avail. Please let me know!
Thanks

rjdeathe
Nov 10, 2007, 05:37 AM
I see that a company on the internet, based in London Regent St, is now claiming to be able to unlock the iPhone 1.1.2 (o2 UK version) for the small cost of £39.99.....

Bye Bye Baby
Nov 10, 2007, 05:51 AM
Dear All,

For heavens sake tell me something useful:

1) Is there any way out of the contract as there was in the States? i.e. pay as you go option for those with no money?

2) Does the iphone work with other o2 SIM cards after it is registered?

3) Does a US iphone un-hacked work with an o2 SIm card?

4) If I buy a US iphone and register it here in the UK will it work un-hacked or will the serial number identify the phone as US and not work?

Thanks :D

Dembo
Nov 10, 2007, 05:57 AM
for the first day?
i'd say no.

I'd say 10.000 sold iPhones for the first is pretty bad - given the fact how the thing was hyped.

I understand that the iPhone is a brilliant device and a quantum leap when it comes to mobile phones, but you have to understand that T-Mobile in Germany wants € 50,- for 24 months for 100 mins and 40 texts. Of course that's the only reason the plans were not announced right after O2's plans: In comparison to the UK the iPhone in Germany is nothing but a rip-off.

You don't have to buy it and I guess that's exactly what people are doing overe here. I just checked one of the biggest T-Mobile stores in the country (Frankfurt): Number of buyers: 0. On a Saturday... Bad.

At least that might be god news for the Canadians and Australians - other carriers will watch closely for the one carrier who just screws its customers to much.

eenu
Nov 10, 2007, 06:44 AM
Yes I had been waiting and even held off purchasing a 'sim-free' iPhone when I was in the US earlier this year and was aware of the existence of iPhone tariffs but the assurance by as I say 3 or 4 different 'o2 advisors' in a variety of stores that I could transfer my existing tariff directly on to the iPhone to me , perhaps foolishly, implied that there was no need to be concerned with changing tariff being an existing o2 contract holder.

Same thing here - i knew about the tariffs and knew i would end up having to take one of the 3 but it wasn't what i was promised by 6 O2 advisors. All they have offered me now is 100 extra text messages a month for 3 months... very lame. They had offered me 600 minutes and 1000 texts for £35 a month.

Needless to say i will be lodging a formal complaint

OllyW
Nov 10, 2007, 06:53 AM
Same thing here - i knew about the tariffs and knew i would end up having to take one of the 3 but it wasn't what i was promised by 6 O2 advisors. All they have offered me now is 100 extra text messages a month for 3 months... very lame. They had offered me 600 minutes and 1000 texts for £35 a month.

Needless to say i will be lodging a formal complaint

I thought your original offer sounded too good to be true when you first posted it.

Good luck with your complaint. I don't think the one operator, three tariffs deal is good news for the iPhone in the UK. :(

weg
Nov 10, 2007, 07:27 AM
Or is it your business to insult the Germans that they don't know any better.

Seems to be your business to feel insulted. He asked a question - "don't you guys have...?" I don't see how anybody is insulted by this question.

Project
Nov 10, 2007, 08:03 AM
Same thing here - i knew about the tariffs and knew i would end up having to take one of the 3 but it wasn't what i was promised by 6 O2 advisors. All they have offered me now is 100 extra text messages a month for 3 months... very lame. They had offered me 600 minutes and 1000 texts for £35 a month.

Needless to say i will be lodging a formal complaint

I'm kind of glad that you didn't get it. Wouldn't be fair!

Stella
Nov 10, 2007, 08:16 AM
No one can really judge the iPhone success on the first day due to outstanding phone contracts. Its only a period of, say 6 to 12 months can Apple determine this.

It'll be interesting - does the iPhone outshine, average, poor.

I'm impressed that Apple did not disable iToner in the 1.1.2 revision.


This probably won't be the last report of such a case. Sales reps should be trained more, especially on high profile launches.

Yes I had been waiting and even held off purchasing a 'sim-free' iPhone when I was in the US earlier this year and was aware of the existence of iPhone tariffs but the assurance by as I say 3 or 4 different 'o2 advisors' in a variety of stores that I could transfer my existing tariff directly on to the iPhone to me , perhaps foolishly, implied that there was no need to be concerned with changing tariff being an existing o2 contract holder.


---

CJD ( aka Human form of man cow disease)- if you ever do choose to visit TO -its is very much alive downtown after 5pm.


Sadly, downtown TO looks like a desert once 5 o'clock hits on the weekdays and everyone drives back in two hours traffic to their over priced cookie cutter condo.
---
and I've been to TO (as they call it). It's a WASTELAND, with the coughcoughmafiacoughcough building acres of "condos"

DaveClarkOne
Nov 10, 2007, 08:22 AM
Seems to be your business to feel insulted. He asked a question - "don't you guys have...?" I don't see how anybody is insulted by this question.

Finish the quote, as in "don't you guys have WAY better phones..." Come on, there is insult in the query.

eenu
Nov 10, 2007, 08:58 AM
I'm kind of glad that you didn't get it. Wouldn't be fair!

Oh i will be getting it, i have already sought legal advice and will push it as far as is required. O2's handling of this for me and others has been sloppy.

I've been with them since they arrived in the UK and have spent hundreds a month with them the least i expect is a hold up of hands 'sorry sir we have clearly dropped a bollock we will honour our promise (that was made 6 times over)'.

weckart
Nov 10, 2007, 09:07 AM
Finish the quote, as in "don't you guys have WAY better phones..." Come on, there is insult in the query.

When you are in a hole, stop digging. Your reading and comprehension skills leave a lot to be desired.

That question was directed at Uragon, who is based in "Asia", which is not the same as Germany at all. Uragon complained about having to wait a lot longer for the iPhone than the Germans/British. If you knew anything at all about the mobile phone market in the Far East, then you would realise that happydude's question underscored his incredulity at Uragon's interest in the relatively unremarkable iPhone, and was not in the least bit insulting.

What Apple posits as an innovative piece of technology in the US represents 57 flavours of meh in the Far East.

Stella
Nov 10, 2007, 09:30 AM
Oh i will be getting it, i have already sought legal advice and will push it as far as is required. O2's handling of this for me and others has been sloppy.

I've been with them since they arrived in the UK and have spent hundreds a month with them the least i expect is a hold up of hands 'sorry sir we have clearly dropped a bollock we will honour our promise (that was made 6 times over)'.

You could try using the Sales of Goods act possibly. The iPhone isn't fit for purpose: You were told that you could use your existing contract - and that is what you based your purchase decision on. The information turned out to be inaccurate.

OllyW
Nov 10, 2007, 09:47 AM
You could get them under the Sales of Goods act possibly. The iPhone isn't fit for purpose: You were told that you could use your existing contract - and that is what you based your purchase decision on. The information turned out to be inaccurate.

They could just refund your money back for the iPhone, which would satisfy the fit for purpose complaint. You have 14 days to decide if you are keeping a new phone & contract in the UK anyway.

As you are a big spender, they will probably offer you some free add-ons to try to persuade you to stay with them.

eenu
Nov 10, 2007, 09:49 AM
They could just refund your money back for the iPhone, which would satisfy the fit for purpose complaint. You have 14 days to decide if you are keeping a new phone & contract in the UK anyway.

As you are a big spender, they will probably offer you some free add-ons to try to persuade you to stay with them.

Yeah well i said to them that i would compromise and take the £45 pm contract if they would bolt me on 100 -200 free texts per month for the entirety of my 18 month contract. Was told to go whistle and go via the complaints procedure.

Given i had already offered to pay them £10 more a month and wasn't asking them to match the offer but just to soften the blow given what i had been promised i am shocked they were like a brick wall.

OllyW
Nov 10, 2007, 09:57 AM
Yeah well i said to them that i would compromise and take the £45 pm contract if they would bolt me on 100 -200 free texts per month for the entirety of my 18 month contract. Was told to go whistle and go via the complaints procedure.

Given i had already offered to pay them £10 more a month and wasn't asking them to match the offer but just to soften the blow given what i had been promised i am shocked they were like a brick wall.

You've got to leave them with something to pay Apple's cut ;)

Stella
Nov 10, 2007, 10:08 AM
Yeah well i said to them that i would compromise and take the £45 pm contract if they would bolt me on 100 -200 free texts per month for the entirety of my 18 month contract. Was told to go whistle and go via the complaints procedure.

Given i had already offered to pay them £10 more a month and wasn't asking them to match the offer but just to soften the blow given what i had been promised i am shocked they were like a brick wall.

Do you really want the iPhone with the standard contract? If not, get your money back. If your enjoying your iPhone you could always unlock your iPhone and continue using your existing contract.

IMO, you'd be very lucky to get a non standard iPhone contract. They've already told you were to go.

eenu
Nov 10, 2007, 10:29 AM
you'd be very lucky to get a non standard iPhone contract. They've already told you were to go.

O2 have bolt on options ie you pay extra cash for extra texts. All i am asking for is a bolt on for free.

But yes i am happy with the iphone and i don't mind so much paying for the contract i am just fighting for the principle of the matter now :)

Stella
Nov 10, 2007, 11:20 AM
O2 have bolt on options ie you pay extra cash for extra texts. All i am asking for is a bolt on for free.

But yes i am happy with the iphone and i don't mind so much paying for the contract i am just fighting for the principle of the matter now :)

Good luck, hope CPWH offer you something :)

Manic Mouse
Nov 10, 2007, 11:20 AM
Channel 4 did a news piece that absolutely ripped into the iPhone over the ridiculous price of it. They really tore it to shreds.

Not good PR! I think sales may drop off rapidly once the hardcore get their hands on it, the tariffs are something most people wont even consider.

tog22
Nov 10, 2007, 11:33 AM
Channel 4 did a news piece that absolutely ripped into the iPhone over the ridiculous price of it. They really tore it to shreds.

Not good PR! I think sales may drop off rapidly once the hardcore get their hands on it, the tariffs are something most people wont even consider.

Is it actually a ripoff with the unlimited data taken into account? How much would you pay for a comparable contract with all the data use you'd likely take advantage of? Just curious...

OS X Dude
Nov 10, 2007, 11:38 AM
Is it actually a ripoff with the unlimited data taken into account? How much would you pay for a comparable contract with all the data use you'd likely take advantage of? Just curious...

According to STUFF (who rated iPhone as no.1 gadget of 2007), iPhone users pay £180 more for their mins/text package than users of other phones pay for the same amount (over 18 month contract). So that's £180 for unlimited internet usage for 18 months. That works out at £5.80 per month for unlimited internet.

i'd say that wins the OS X Dude FAV (FRIKKIN' ACE VALUE) Award for 2007 :p

tog22
Nov 10, 2007, 11:41 AM
According to STUFF (who rated iPhone as no.1 gadget of 2007), iPhone users pay £180 more for their mins/text package than users of other phones pay for the same amount (over 18 month contract). So that's £180 for unlimited internet usage for 18 months. That works out at £5.80 per month for unlimited internet.

i'd say that wins the OS X Dude FAV (FRIKKIN' ACE VALUE) Award for 2007 :p

Then it's kind of annoying that Channel 4 (and everyone else parroting the same talking points) would ignore this. I guess it's the old story of the press building something/someone up and then tearing them down, facts be damned.

Though I'm a little puzzled by your maths. 180/18 = 5.8??

OS X Dude
Nov 10, 2007, 11:46 AM
Right. Then it's kind of annoying that Channel 4 (and everyone else parroting the same talking points) would ignore this. I guess it's the old story of the press building something/someone up and then tearing them down, facts be damned.

Right on. Although, it's building publicity for the iPhone and not costing Apple a penny (even if it is bad and untrue). People will then see the luxury of it and think "Hey, I'm gonna get one of them" and soon all the celebs will get one to promote it. As well as a kick ass phone (more so when Apple do some serious updates for it, and the SDK), it looks great so that in itself will appeal to the fashionistas Joe Public aspires to.

The bottom line is, the iPhone is damn good value for what you're getting. It's just that us brits are shocked that the phone ain't free on contract!

spbcat
Nov 10, 2007, 11:51 AM
What is the activation process (I'm about Germany)? Can I just buy an iPhone in Apple Store (or T-Mobile store), bring it home, connect to my mac and activate it via iTunes, entering all info there as in US? Or I need to choose plan and activate iPhone right in Apple Store (or T-Mobile store)?

Manic Mouse
Nov 10, 2007, 11:55 AM
According to STUFF (who rated iPhone as no.1 gadget of 2007), iPhone users pay £180 more for their mins/text package than users of other phones pay for the same amount (over 18 month contract). So that's £180 for unlimited internet usage for 18 months. That works out at £5.80 per month for unlimited internet.

i'd say that wins the OS X Dude FAV (FRIKKIN' ACE VALUE) Award for 2007 :p

Is that really true?

Firstly those on other phones get theirs free, so add £270 onto that £180 for a start. And do those other contracts come with 200 mins and 200 texts? I highly doubt it, they come with substantially more as all other phones use standard O2 contracts, ie: about 1000 texts and 700 mins for £35.

That comparison seems really slanted in favour of the iPhone. A more apt comparison would be to compare the sim only deals with the iPhone contracts (as you have to buy the phone). In that case the iPhone contracts come off pretty bad.

The channel 4 piece said that you needed to take out a £45 a month contract for a decent amount of texts/mins (compared to even £20 a month normal contracts). Which is true. For most people 200 mins and 200 texts will not cut it, and few average people will be willing to pay £45 a month just to get enough mins and texts to make the phone usable.

Basically you're paying over twice the tariff for the unlimited internet, and also paying for your phone on top of that. Also remember that the EDGE network only covers 20% of the UK and that you'll only be using it when you're not at home.

EDIT: For example for £30 a month you get 400 mins and 1000 texts and a FREE n95. I'm not saying that the n95 is as good as an iPhone, but we're talking purely about the contracts here and even without unlimited internet you can see that's a much better deal.

The iPhone = fantastic
The iPhone tariffs = piss poor

iPhone £35 tariff = 200 mins, 200 texts, unlimited internet
O2 SIM only £35 tariff: 1200 mins 1000 texts

So you're getting one sixth of the minutes and one fifth of the texts, but unlimited 20% EDGE cover. You can try and validate the iPhone contracts with "unlimited internet" but the price is so steep it still doesn't stack up. The iPhone is not a subsidised phone, so why can't that offset the "unlimited data" rather than having rip-off contracts as well as an unsubsidised phone? Or isn't £270 enough to cover mobile internet (which, let's face it, wont eat huge bandwidth) for 18 months?

I expect sales to drop drastically over the next few months. Most people will be interested in the iPhone but balk at the price of the contracts and then be told they have to buy the phone as well. If the iPhone is simply too expensive for me to justify (being a huge iPhone/Apple fan who can afford it) then it most definitely is not an option for 90% of the public.

tog22
Nov 10, 2007, 12:15 PM
Fair response. But I thought EDGE coverage was up to 30% - is there a map of it somewhere? I can't find one at o2.co.uk.

KurtangleTN
Nov 10, 2007, 12:18 PM
Not that it's worth doing.. but I'm more curious.

I'm a T-Mobile USA customer and am wondering if it's possible to buy a German iPhone and then use it with USA's Sim.

But it's much easier to just unlock the AT&T one (and cheaper too).

atlendor
Nov 10, 2007, 12:22 PM
Seeing the numbers sold so far, Steve's mouth must be watering
Hopefully he doesn't drop the prices on the iphone again two months from now :)



*cough cough* :( :p


Also I keep hearing Canadians wanting their share of the iphone madness, has there been no plans AT ALL to release to our little brothers up north?

Indeed. Damn them. Then again, maybe the wait will result in the 3G version.... :eek:

groovebuster
Nov 10, 2007, 12:27 PM
Und in China fällt ein Sack Reis um...

Manic Mouse
Nov 10, 2007, 12:27 PM
Fair response. But I thought EDGE coverage was up to 30% - is there a map of it somewhere? I can't find one at o2.co.uk.

Maybe, I thought it was 20%. It still needs to be much better to justify those tariffs.

weckart
Nov 10, 2007, 12:29 PM
Not that it's worth doing.. but I'm more curious.

I'm a T-Mobile USA customer and am wondering if it's possible to buy a German iPhone and then use it with USA's Sim.

But it's much easier to just unlock the AT&T one (and cheaper too).


I doubt. it. The sims must be country coded somehow, or roaming charges would never be calculated correctly once you went abroad.

OS X Dude
Nov 10, 2007, 01:42 PM
Then it's kind of annoying that Channel 4 (and everyone else parroting the same talking points) would ignore this. I guess it's the old story of the press building something/someone up and then tearing them down, facts be damned.

Though I'm a little puzzled by your maths. 180/18 = 5.8??

This is what I get for being in set 4 (out of 8) for Maths in school - the answer is 10!

So it's a tenner a month for unltd. internet - then of course you must factor in the £270 for the damn thing! Expensive, but it is what it is, an Apple - therefore it will sell.

OS X Dude
Nov 10, 2007, 01:45 PM
Is that really true?

Firstly those on other phones get theirs free, so add £270 onto that £180 for a start. And do those other contracts come with 200 mins and 200 texts? I highly doubt it, they come with substantially more as all other phones use standard O2 contracts, ie: about 1000 texts and 700 mins for £35.

That comparison seems really slanted in favour of the iPhone. A more apt comparison would be to compare the sim only deals with the iPhone contracts (as you have to buy the phone). In that case the iPhone contracts come off pretty bad.

The channel 4 piece said that you needed to take out a £45 a month contract for a decent amount of texts/mins (compared to even £20 a month normal contracts). Which is true. For most people 200 mins and 200 texts will not cut it, and few average people will be willing to pay £45 a month just to get enough mins and texts to make the phone usable.

Basically you're paying over twice the tariff for the unlimited internet, and also paying for your phone on top of that. Also remember that the EDGE network only covers 20% of the UK and that you'll only be using it when you're not at home.

EDIT: For example for £30 a month you get 400 mins and 1000 texts and a FREE n95. I'm not saying that the n95 is as good as an iPhone, but we're talking purely about the contracts here and even without unlimited internet you can see that's a much better deal.

The iPhone = fantastic
The iPhone tariffs = piss poor

iPhone £35 tariff = 200 mins, 200 texts, unlimited internet
O2 SIM only £35 tariff: 1200 mins 1000 texts

So you're getting one sixth of the minutes and one fifth of the texts, but unlimited 20% EDGE cover. You can try and validate the iPhone contracts with "unlimited internet" but the price is so steep it still doesn't stack up. The iPhone is not a subsidised phone, so why can't that offset the "unlimited data" rather than having rip-off contracts as well as an unsubsidised phone? Or isn't £270 enough to cover mobile internet (which, let's face it, wont eat huge bandwidth) for 18 months?

I expect sales to drop drastically over the next few months. Most people will be interested in the iPhone but balk at the price of the contracts and then be told they have to buy the phone as well. If the iPhone is simply too expensive for me to justify (being a huge iPhone/Apple fan who can afford it) then it most definitely is not an option for 90% of the public.

I was only comparing the iPhone's tariffs to comparable 02 tariffs - not the cost of the phone as well.

I think the iPhone should be subsidized - if only because all other contract phones in the UK are. But also, I don't think it yet does enough (fancy UI aside) to warrant the £270 tag.

GoodWatch
Nov 10, 2007, 02:24 PM
Because Apple are one of very few companies that are able to create and market devices that have a real ‘wow!’ factor, it stands to reason that the ones who crave for those same devices take the elevated price for granted. Apple already shifted 1.4 million iPhones in the US alone! And even swallow that oh so bitter pill if it becomes clear that the next generation is cheaper and has more features and more up to date technology. And that next gen will arrive within 6 months, leaving first gen owners with their forced two-year contracts in the lurch. It will all be explained away because Apple can get away with almost anything.

I will have to wait until the iPhone lands in my country and hopefully that will be after version 2.0 hits the shelves. We have a nation wide HSPDA network and it would be nice to be able to use that. But 399 Euro? I don’t know, especially with that insane contract pricing.

DIXIE
Nov 10, 2007, 04:12 PM
The Germans were always good at surprise launches! :rolleyes:

http://att.macrumors.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=90941&stc=1&d=1194732635



DIXIE ;)

Drinahn
Nov 10, 2007, 05:48 PM
And that next gen will arrive within 6 months, leaving first gen owners with their forced two-year contracts in the lurch. It will all be explained away because Apple can get away with almost anything.


I doubt we'll be left in the lurch. I think you'll find they'll have no problems restarting my contract and giving me a new phone when I give them the cash for it in six months or whenever 2.0 emerges.

On a general note, I'm not sure what people are fussing about. It's not that expensive really. Either you want it or you don't, and you can afford it or you can't. Apple isn't entering into the budget phone market. If you can't afford it, don't buy it. If you don't like it, don't buy it. It is remarkably simple when it comes down to it.

megfilmworks
Nov 10, 2007, 06:10 PM
I doubt we'll be left in the lurch. I think you'll find they'll have no problems restarting my contract and giving me a new phone when I give them the cash for it in six months or whenever 2.0 emerges.

On a general note, I'm not sure what people are fussing about. It's not that expensive really. Either you want it or you don't, and you can afford it or you can't. Apple isn't entering into the budget phone market. If you can't afford it, don't buy it. If you don't like it, don't buy it. It is remarkably simple when it comes down to it.
I agree. Apples didn't leave me in the lurch when I bought my second iPhone for $300 less.($200 price drop and $100 credit).
And what makes people think this is a discount phone with cheap plans. If you want a cheap phone and cheaper plans, just buy any other phone you see.
Personally I like being on the leading edge instead of the trailing edge, but there is a price for being there and its not for the weak and whiny.

jonny
Nov 10, 2007, 09:09 PM
The Germans were always good at surprise launches! :rolleyes:

http://att.macrumors.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=90941&stc=1&d=1194732635



DIXIE ;)

I'm thirsty

groovebuster
Nov 11, 2007, 01:52 AM
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Personally I like being on the leading edge instead of the trailing edge, but there is a price for being there and its not for the weak and whiny.

You are my hero!!! :rolleyes:

groovebuster
Nov 11, 2007, 02:15 AM
On a general note, I'm not sure what people are fussing about. It's not that expensive really.

You are kidding, right?

Either you want it or you don't, and you can afford it or you can't. Apple isn't entering into the budget phone market. If you can't afford it, don't buy it. If you don't like it, don't buy it. It is remarkably simple when it comes down to it.

Yeah, life can be so simple... :rolleyes: We are still talking about a phone. Not more and not less. And of course it is a nice gadget, but totally overprized for what it actually is and can do.

So I would want one, but I fail to see why I should spend that much money for a communication device that is actually just a phone on steroids and with a lot of make-up. I could afford one easily, but I tend to spend my money on more useful things instead of wasting it.

We talk again when the iPhone has UMTS, can be used as a modem for a computer and for 50.-€ you can talk and surf unlimited. With the numbers Apple projected for the iPhone sales in the coming months, they actually want to enter the mass market... but for that you need attractive pricing.

I remember the times when mac users had the reputation of being arrogant... Can' really imagine why... :rolleyes:

groovebuster

groovebuster
Nov 11, 2007, 02:19 AM
The Germans were always good at surprise launches!

And as you can see, none of the guys around gives a ****... ;) I remember my wife (canadian) having a hard time to adapt to the unprudeness over here...

:p

groovebuster

OS X Dude
Nov 11, 2007, 02:27 AM
Either you want it or you don't, and you can afford it or you can't. Apple isn't entering into the budget phone market. If you can't afford it, don't buy it. If you don't like it, don't buy it. It is remarkably simple when it comes down to it.

I can't believe it's taken 7 pages of this thread to come to this conclusion lol

True though.

Pierremaison
Nov 11, 2007, 02:42 AM
I doubt we'll be left in the lurch. I think you'll find they'll have no problems restarting my contract and giving me a new phone when I give them the cash for it in six months or whenever 2.0 emerges.

On a general note, I'm not sure what people are fussing about. It's not that expensive really. Either you want it or you don't, and you can afford it or you can't. Apple isn't entering into the budget phone market. If you can't afford it, don't buy it. If you don't like it, don't buy it. It is remarkably simple when it comes down to it.

Agreed. I bought two on Friday, it has already changed the way I can run my personal and business life. If you cant afford it go and buy a Nokia, most of the people whining on here have not even seen one yet. Having shown it to four people on Saturday, three will be getting one today. Apple entering this market, will finally push other manufacturers into making a decent product.

pamon
Nov 11, 2007, 03:15 AM
congrats to the buyers and enjoy. It's an enjoyable phone and now a worldwide phone...

tjanuranus
Nov 11, 2007, 03:24 AM
Not that good i think, the stock tanked to 170 today. We don't have that many free wifi, the touch is already for sale and we always had top tech cellphones to begin with.

And i won't be getting one because off the ridiculous monthly rates, i'l probably just settle with the Touch.

the stock tanking has nothing to do with iphone sales. The entire nasdaq tanked. vmware has tanked 40 dollars in a week and it's not because of anything the company has done. Tech is just going through major profit taking right now because the hedge funds have to account for recent losses and tech has been doing so well. Apple will be at 200 in a couple weeks i am sure and again probably won't have anything to do with the iphone selling 10000 on the first day.

groovebuster
Nov 11, 2007, 04:14 AM
..., it has already changed the way I can run my personal and business life.

Can you please elaborate? I saw one already and I still try to figure out what is so special about them (except the Apple'esque user interface) that it would justify the premium I would have to pay...

Thanks in advance...

groovebuster

Daeve
Nov 11, 2007, 05:36 AM
I had a play on Friday evening - no-one in the Carphone Warehouse shop as it opened at 6.02pm - after a few minutes there was about 4 people in the shop playing with them (plus about 6 staff).

I have to say I really liked it - felt good, interface was really cool it had me sold. I was about to buy (£35 tariff pm) but my girlfriend stopped me and pointed out that to get the same amount of calls and texts I have now I'd need the £55 a month tariff...

Conclusion - Iphone is great, I want one. There's no way I can afford it. £1259 (£55 x 18 plus £269) over 18 months versus the current £540 (£30 pm and a free phone) over 18 months I pay now. Sure there's no internet on my current phone (well free wap for the footy scores) - but is the internet and a cool interface worth £719 more?

My heart says yes - my head says no. I haven't paid for a phone in years, I'm not going to start now :( . Mainly on principal - its a slippery slope - we start paying now for phones and the day of the free subsidised phone (which practically all are now bar the iphone) could once again disappear.

I do feel that Apple missed the boat here - they could have flooded the market with a free subsidised phone and more conservative tariffs (i.e. gone non-exclusive with the network) - if they had, almost everyone I know would have bought one (well, got one free) - I'm sure they'll make more money the way they are doing it, but sell less phones and get less market penetration.

Perhaps the 5 month wait from its US release made it less interesting to me, I'd have bought one in June here damn the money! But now - I realise it'd be silly to throw money at it - yes it's cool, but I have bills to pay.

I actually agree with a previous poster (who was slated for no good reason I believe) that I'd be better using my ipod and current phone and buying a macbook for the same money - certainly a better deal.

JobsRules
Nov 11, 2007, 06:04 AM
I know Apple have surprised people before with big sellers that people said would flop but I really can't see the first iPhone being big in Europe. Yes, it will sell a fair few thousand but it's not going to topple the best phones or capture much market share.

After trying one out today it's a case of 'Wow, the intereface is nice and it looks great' but after that it really isn't even close to an N95. The N95 is 3G, it has more features, a decent camera, it's easier to just make a call, much easier for messaging, the extra buttons are actually useful not superfluous (negating the interface of the iPhone) and it's FREE with a modest t-mobile Web'n'Walk package.

I'd go so far to say the iPhone doesn't even seem like a phone. It's more of an next-gen iPod that happens to make basic phonecalls.

Pierremaison
Nov 11, 2007, 06:54 AM
Can you please elaborate? I saw one already and I still try to figure out what is so special about them (except the Apple'esque user interface) that it would justify the premium I would have to pay...

Thanks in advance...

groovebuster

Hi groovebuster,

I run my own company and have issued most of my staff with assorted Blackberrys etc, which they hardly ever use, because it is too much like hard work to get anything done on them.

I have used my Iphone more in the last 36 hours or so, than I would normally use my Blackberry in a month. Everything is so easy, whether it is typing this to you now, or sending an email text etc. Part of this is the way it syncs to my mac for contacts, safari bookmarks etc. But mostly, because it is an enjoyable experience, not to sound to corny but it does just work! I was spending £1,500 per month with Orange for our mobile costs at work, on Monday I will be moving everyone over to an Iphone, thats how much I rate it, even after this short period of time.

Tell me another phone where 5 mins after taking it out of the box, it was activated with all 6 of my email accounts up and running accepting mail. Along with 400 plus contacts, email addresses etc. 10 mins after that 6 gig of selected music was on there ready to go, it is in a different league for ease of use than any other mobile I have seen. I am sure some sides of the British press are lined up to slag it off, but unfortunately it is because they are running their own agenda.

It is a little more expensive to buy and run, but in my opinion it is worth every penny. And when I see the grin on my employees faces when they get one next week, the fell good factor in my company will go through the roof!

Hope this helps, sorry to ramble on, but I do like typing on this virtual keyboard. Cheers.

[Edit] For all the whiners out there, please do no call me a fan boy. I work in a very competitive sector, I would only use and recommend something that I feel works.

xUKHCx
Nov 11, 2007, 06:57 AM
snip

You looking for any new staff. ;)

ImageWrangler
Nov 11, 2007, 06:58 AM
Hi groovebuster,

I run my own company and have issued most of my staff with assorted Blackberrys etc, which they hardly ever use, because it is too much like hard work to get anything done on them.

I have used my Iphone more in the last 36 hours or so, than I would normally use my Blackberry in a month. Everything is so easy, whether it is typing this to you now, or sending an email text etc. Part of this is the way it syncs to my mac for contacts, safari bookmarks etc. But mostly, because it is an enjoyable experience, not to sound to corny but it does just work! I was spending £1,500 per month with Orange for our mobile costs at work, on Monday I will be moving everyone over to an Iphone, thats how much I rate it, even after this short period of time.

Tell me another phone where 5 mins after taking it out of the box, it was activated with all 6 of my email accounts up and running accepting mail. Along with 400 plus contacts, email addresses etc. 10 mins after that 6 gig of selected music was on there ready to go, it is in a different league for ease of use than any other mobile I have seen. I am sure some sides of the British press are lined up to slag it off, but unfortunately it is because they are running their own agenda.

It is a little more expensive to buy and run, but in my opinion it is worth every penny. And when I see the grin on my employees faces when they get one next week, the fell good factor in my company will go through the roof!

Hope this helps, sorry to ramble on, but I do like typing on this virtual keyboard. Cheers.

[Edit] For all the whiners out there, please do no call me a fan boy. I work in a very competitive sector, I would only use and recommend something that I feel works.

I wish you could upmod or vote up posts, I'd give this a +1 or thumbs up, it wraps up why the iPhone is good for businesses. Like perhaps all electronics, it's not for everybody, but in terms of on-the-go quick and easy in-your-pocket business machine, it rocks! Now if only they'd finally add to-do lists and have the email tilt 90 degrees to type in (grrr).

Pierremaison
Nov 11, 2007, 06:59 AM
You looking for any new staff. ;)

Are you prepared to travel to Bristol?:p

Pierremaison
Nov 11, 2007, 07:01 AM
I wish you could upmod or vote up posts, I'd give this a +1 or thumbs up, it wraps up why the iPhone is good for businesses. Like perhaps all electronics, it's not for everybody, but in terms of on-the-go quick and easy in-your-pocket business machine, it rocks! Now if only they'd finally add to-do lists and have the email tilt 90 degrees to type in (grrr).

Many thanks ImageWrangler, I am sure we will see lots of new additions to the basic package in the coming months.:D

OS X Dude
Nov 11, 2007, 07:38 AM
I do feel that Apple missed the boat here - they could have flooded the market with a free subsidised phone and more conservative tariffs (i.e. gone non-exclusive with the network) - if they had, almost everyone I know would have bought one (well, got one free) - I'm sure they'll make more money the way they are doing it, but sell less phones and get less market penetration.

I reckon Apple went for exclusivity - making people pay for the phone AND contract stops it from falling into the hands of "the plebs" and only the successful/wealthy will be seen with them. Ergo, this adds a luxury appeal (as if more were needed!) to the iPhone - it makes the iPhone almost like a status symbol for people I guess.

I reckon it's intentional "marketing" to make iPhone so exclusive and expensive, rather than simply naivety, arrogance or greed.

OS X Dude
Nov 11, 2007, 07:42 AM
Can you please elaborate? I saw one already and I still try to figure out what is so special about them (except the Apple'esque user interface) that it would justify the premium I would have to pay...

Thanks in advance...

groovebuster

The UI is the main argument I'm using to persuade my parents to get me one lol.

They're saying Nokia N95 would be better - how is the internet "experience" on that though, in terms of how the pages look in comparison to the real internet?

And before someone says "Off topic, NUH!", iFind (chortle) it relevant as if the 'net is poor on the N95 I will get an iPhone instead.

mutantteenager
Nov 11, 2007, 08:12 AM
So - the big question:
Would it've been smarter to have queued at 1802hrs tonight in the UK- forking out £269 quid plus 18 x £35 (minimum) monthly talk tariff
Or .. smarter to wait til tomorrow morning to do ... exactly the same thing?.
Hmmm .. lets think.
I reckon the sane option would be: to do neither.:eek:
No. Actually, the smartest option is to put the combined total of what it will cost to run this overpriced, overhyped, overpriced novelty-gadget (IE:£900) towards a brand new MacBook. And impress the same gullible mates with that instead. Not only will the resale value get you a good £600 back if you flog it in 18 months hence and you can smirk furiously right now when you realise the second hand value of a 1st Generation iPhone come mid 2009 will be about £150 if that.
So lets do the maths here:
iPhone + Astronomical O2 Contract = £900 with a total loss of £750 at least.
MacBook for the same money and a loss of £300 or less ...
Bit of a no brainer as our Transatlantic cousins might say, Mildred.:p
Still - logic and common sense never comes into it when the heart take over from the head decisionwise.
However, may I suggest to other potential UK buyers to buy a packet of Airwaves gum and chew on a coupla sticks to help clear your head before purchasing what will be last years `must have product of 2007' come January 2008.
Mmmmm Macbook. Funny, you always said it was too much of a luxury to afford. Now - all this time - maybe it wasnt . Ah'll sithee at the (ahem) ironically-named `Genius' counter then shall I?:apple:.

Whilst you're revelling in your overwhelming ego, remember that one item is a phone, and the other is a computer. If you're really so smart, you may have worked that out. I think this is why people hate 'Apple fans'.

TurboSC
Nov 11, 2007, 10:48 AM
Whilst you're revelling in your overwhelming ego, remember that one item is a phone, and the other is a computer. If you're really so smart, you may have worked that out. I think this is why people hate 'Apple fans'.

You just happened to catch an extremist, not all apple fans are like that ;)

I myself have seen a pretty decent increase in traffic these past few days to my iPhone wallpaper site, so I'm sure a lot more people have iPhones now :)

RichTF
Nov 11, 2007, 11:34 AM
Personally I like being on the leading edge instead of the trailing edge, but there is a price for being there and its not for the weak and whiny.
Actually, this is what's stopping me from getting an iPhone! I can certainly afford one, and I think the iPhone's interface is absolutely first-rate (I own an iPod Touch and love it to bits), but...

No 3G. 2 megapixel camera. No flash. No MMS. I know this has already been done to death, but on a purely technical level the iPhone is lacking. Far from being "leading edge", it's mediocre, especially from a UK / European perspective.
18 month contract. I don't want a phone that's only "leading edge" for a fraction of it's lifespan, I want to always have the best gadgets, thanks very much! Of course, the reality is that all gadgets get old pretty quickly, and waiting 12 months for a new phone is already bad enough for me. But 18 months? No way. Come 2009 you're gonna be stuck with "trailing edge" technology, while everyone else has moved on...
Anyway, I really am a huge fan of Apple technology, but the iPhone contracts (coupled with a few technical shortcomings) are a real dealbreaker -- because I want to have "leading edge" stuff!

Padraig
Nov 11, 2007, 12:16 PM
Actually, this is what's stopping me from getting an iPhone! I can certainly afford one, and I think the iPhone's interface is absolutely first-rate (I own an iPod Touch and love it to bits), but...

No 3G. 2 megapixel camera. No flash. No MMS. I know this has already been done to death, but on a purely technical level the iPhone is lacking. Far from being "leading edge", it's mediocre, especially from a UK / European perspective.
18 month contract. I don't want a phone that's only "leading edge" for a fraction of it's lifespan, I want to always have the best gadgets, thanks very much! Of course, the reality is that all gadgets get old pretty quickly, and waiting 12 months for a new phone is already bad enough for me. But 18 months? No way. Come 2009 you're gonna be stuck with "trailing edge" technology, while everyone else has moved on...
Anyway, I really am a huge fan of Apple technology, but the iPhone contracts (coupled with a few technical shortcomings) are a real dealbreaker -- because I want to have "leading edge" stuff!

100% agree with everything you say. Only bought a touch myself a fortnight ago and like you, think it's fantastic. As a phone the iPhone is a failure, and until it can match the feature set of my nokia, i'll have to keep on carrying two devices with me.

RichTF
Nov 11, 2007, 12:33 PM
As a phone the iPhone is a failure, and until it can match the feature set of my nokia, i'll have to keep on carrying two devices with me.
Nokia fan here too. Seems to be a common theme actually, I think a lot of Nokia fans are in the "power user" category of mobile phones, which is why we're not so impressed with the iPhone. It's a shame, because the iPhone interface is so much better (i.e.: intuitive and easier to use) than Nokia's!

I guess it's now a race to see whether the iPhone 2 can bring new features before Nokia improves their user interface... :rolleyes: I'll be interested to see what Nokia's rumoured touch-screen phone will be like, but I'd be surprised if they can match the 'feel' of the iPhone.

Well this month my contract is up and I'll be upgrading my N73 to an N95-8GB. I'll admit that I was tempted by the iPhone, but in the end I've decided against it. Ironically, this means I'll now be switching from O2 to Vodafone -- So much for O2 using the iPhone as an incentive to keep customers! :p

rish
Nov 11, 2007, 03:13 PM
Piermaison, perfect observation. Shame some bypassed your input. What you do sounds very interesting. How does the iPhone enhance what you do aside from what you have already stated.

GoodWatch
Nov 11, 2007, 04:09 PM
Whatever is being said about the iPhone, it is a very clever piece of engineering and Apple was first to market it in this configuration. It, again, is ‘le Must de Apple’. It would complement my iMac and 3rd gen Nano perfectly. But I fear the Dutch pricing and tariffs very much. We are used to receive a GSM (cell phone) for ‘free’ with our contract. In fact, with my one year Orange contract I pick up a new phone upon renewal every year. I pay a modest 12 cents a minute in my 40 Euro bundle. That’s all I need. I don’t use text messages, ever. I’ve been eying the German T-Mobile tariffs and they are horrible. And you have to sign a two-year contract. And two years in GSM land is like 2 centuries in the real world. Apple aficionados will explain everything away and will say that I cry too much. I am very sorry to say this but this whole deal has something of an air of arrogance about it that I don’t like at all. The whole ‘take it or leave it’ approach maybe very clever marketing but I still don’t like it. What bothers me most is the ‘exclusive provider’. It rules out any kind of competition. Free market? Not in this setting. There is no competition if you want an iPhone. If you want an iPhone you have to swallow that oh so bitter pill of a two year contract and highly elevated tariffs. It kinda reminds me of that other raw deal. Being forced to pay for Windows on your PC even if you don’t want it and will never use it. What irony. Apple, you disappoint me.

Pierremaison
Nov 11, 2007, 04:29 PM
Piermaison, perfect observation. Shame some bypassed your input. What you do sounds very interesting. How does the iPhone enhance what you do aside from what you have already stated.

It helps me stay in touch with what is going on seamlessly, other devices seem to get in the way of this, with endless menus and ridiculous options that no right minded person would ever need. As I said earlier it just works, which is exactly how it should be.

megfilmworks
Nov 11, 2007, 07:16 PM
Actually, this is what's stopping me from getting an iPhone! I can certainly afford one, and I think the iPhone's interface is absolutely first-rate (I own an iPod Touch and love it to bits), but...

No 3G. 2 megapixel camera. No flash. No MMS. I know this has already been done to death, but on a purely technical level the iPhone is lacking. Far from being "leading edge", it's mediocre, especially from a UK / European perspective.
18 month contract. I don't want a phone that's only "leading edge" for a fraction of it's lifespan, I want to always have the best gadgets, thanks very much! Of course, the reality is that all gadgets get old pretty quickly, and waiting 12 months for a new phone is already bad enough for me. But 18 months? No way. Come 2009 you're gonna be stuck with "trailing edge" technology, while everyone else has moved on...
Anyway, I really am a huge fan of Apple technology, but the iPhone contracts (coupled with a few technical shortcomings) are a real dealbreaker -- because I want to have "leading edge" stuff!
Good points, but you are still wrong. ;)
I have owned both and sorry to say there is no comparison. Years from now this time will be seen as the paradigm shift. BIP and AIP (Before iPhone and after iPhone).
No one will remember the also rans from Nokia and BB.
The times they are a changing. And you are going to be left at the station.

Confidemus
Nov 12, 2007, 01:40 AM
I wish you could upmod or vote up posts, I'd give this a +1 or thumbs up, it wraps up why the iPhone is good for businesses. Like perhaps all electronics, it's not for everybody, but in terms of on-the-go quick and easy in-your-pocket business machine, it rocks! Now if only they'd finally add to-do lists and have the email tilt 90 degrees to type in (grrr).

I see the same with it. I tried one out on Saturday on a T-Point in Germany. There are only two problems I faced:
1. The sales personal was just dumb. And the WiFi hotspot was up and running, but the iPhone could not connect because of failing authentication.
2. I can't take my number with me because my contract is still running for 12 months. In 8 months I have the right to take my number with me.
Best
Confidemus

ogee
Nov 12, 2007, 05:13 PM
I'd go so far to say the iPhone doesn't even seem like a phone. It's more of an next-gen iPod that happens to make basic phonecalls.

I bought and unlocked a US iPhone for use here in Germany. I sold it later in anticipation of a "legal" version from T-Mobile. However I wont be getting a replacement for the simple reason the tariff's poor. The unlimited internet is anything but, over 200Mb in a month (basic plan) the speed gets throttled at 64Kbps. then the call minutes are really low. SMS doesn't bother me so much, but I get a far better deal on my 10 euro/month plan.

The quote above sums up the iPhone exactly for me. If you expect an iPod with a phone its great, but a phone with an iPod it will disappoint.

Detlev_73
Nov 13, 2007, 02:57 PM
Out of pure coincidence, I arrived here in Berlin last Friday, 09 November. Curiosity was killing me so, I'm downstairs in the lobby using up the free Wi-Fi for hotel guests. I've made several calls back home already on my iPhone, and have got to say that European GSM networks kick ass! Even in the U- and S-Bahns and inside the underground stations the reception is beyond comparison to what passes as acceptable service back home. I don't understand all the folks who whined and griped about Apple having released a GSM-based iPhone, and how GSM offers crappy reception, etc. I think it might be time to reevaluate moving to Germany. ;)

Dembo
Nov 14, 2007, 05:03 AM
I think it might be time to reevaluate moving to Germany. ;)

No, it might not - T-Mobile asks for EUR 50,- for 100 mins and 40 texts a month. :mad: