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MacRumors
Nov 13, 2007, 08:48 PM
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MacRumors has successfully transitioned to 5 new dedicated servers, replacing our existing servers.

The upgrades were prompted by the growing popularity of the site and especially our forums (http://forums.macrumors.com/) which also power the comment section on all news and rumor stories. Beyond the usual daily traffic, launch event (Macworld, iPhone, Leopard) days generally see a burst of traffic which can cause "server busy" messages to appear.

These upgrades should allow the forums to continue functioning smoothly in face of ongoing growth.

Readers are encouraged to visit and participate in our Forums (http://forums.macrumors.com/). There are a number of areas of interest, including:

Help and Advice
- Mac Basics and Help (http://forums.macrumors.com/forumdisplay.php?f=78)
- Buying Tips and Advice (http://forums.macrumors.com/forumdisplay.php?f=54)

Product Specific Forums
- Mac Pro (http://forums.macrumors.com/forumdisplay.php?f=1)
- MacBook and MacBook Pro (http://forums.macrumors.com/forumdisplay.php?f=90)
- iPhone Discussion (http://forums.macrumors.com/forumdisplay.php?f=99)
- iPod Touch Discussion (http://forums.macrumors.com/forumdisplay.php?f=113)
- Mac OS X (http://forums.macrumors.com/forumdisplay.php?f=69)

Special Interest Forums
- Design and Graphics (http://forums.macrumors.com/forumdisplay.php?f=79)
- Digital Photography (http://forums.macrumors.com/forumdisplay.php?f=83)
- Digital Video (http://forums.macrumors.com/forumdisplay.php?f=80)
- Digital Audio (http://forums.macrumors.com/forumdisplay.php?f=81)
- Web Design and Development (http://forums.macrumors.com/forumdisplay.php?f=58)

User organized activities and projects
- Nike+ Challenges (http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=291268) - monthly Nike+ running challenges.
- iChat 4.0 Effects: Hologram effect (http://forums.macrumors.com/showpost.php?p=4400326&postcount=4), Invisible effect (http://forums.macrumors.com/showpost.php?p=4406268&postcount=97), Hologram, Upside Down effects (http://forums.macrumors.com/showpost.php?p=4418551&postcount=130) (installation instructions (http://www.macrumors.com/2007/10/27/star-wars-hologram-effect-for-ichat/))
- Picture Gallery (http://forums.macrumors.com/forumdisplay.php?f=68)
- Community Forums (http://forums.macrumors.com/forumdisplay.php?f=20)

A full list of forums can be viewed at the forum home (http://forums.macrumors.com/index.php) and real-time live postings can be followed at spy.macrumors.com (http://spy.macrumors.com/)

Article Link (http://www.macrumors.com/2007/11/13/server-upgrades-complete-macrumors-now-snappier/)



stoid
Nov 13, 2007, 08:50 PM
Congratulations! This is great news.

Makes my Safari seem snappier…


:D

haiggy
Nov 13, 2007, 08:50 PM
Woot. First Safari is snappier.. now MacRumors is snappier. Does that make it snappier^2?

Roderick Usher
Nov 13, 2007, 08:50 PM
MacRumors runs entirely on OS X Server, right? Right? ;)

Hls811
Nov 13, 2007, 08:50 PM
Wow.. it IS snappier!

sososowhat
Nov 13, 2007, 08:50 PM
Are we using the new G5 Powerbook servers?

Definitely seems snappier to me! Good work.

ruckus
Nov 13, 2007, 08:51 PM
keep up the good work.

arn
Nov 13, 2007, 08:51 PM
fyi, we're on Clovertown-based servers with softlayer.com. Not running on Mac OS X, however. They run variants of Linux.

Other Notes

- Forum search (http://forums.macrumors.com/search.php) should be much better now with some advanced options (http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=381730) being tested.
- You may see some forum slowness weekly at 4:30am EST on Sunday when our full database backup takes place. Incremental backups are taken throughout the week which shouldn't affect performance.

arn

ruckus
Nov 13, 2007, 08:52 PM
though the front page says there is only one comment on this page. zero before i posted...

Eidorian
Nov 13, 2007, 08:52 PM
I like the new sub-forums.

Freg3000
Nov 13, 2007, 08:52 PM
5 years later, still the best Mac News/Rumors site. And now it is faster too!

Job well done Arn.

Daveway
Nov 13, 2007, 08:52 PM
We need a better word because snappier is an understatement.:cool:

Love
Nov 13, 2007, 08:52 PM
Great work! It is VERY snappy.

muaddib420
Nov 13, 2007, 08:52 PM
great job, it IS snappier! keep it up. i'm glad you guys are getting more popular, you deserve it! :D

arn
Nov 13, 2007, 08:52 PM
though the front page says there is only one comment on this page. zero before i posted...

front page is cached, so comment count numbers may be delayed by 15 minutes.

arn

torero
Nov 13, 2007, 08:54 PM
Woot. First Safari is snappier.. now MacRumors is snappier. Does that make it snappier^2?

funny...




It's always good to hear about improvements. Congratulations.

EagerDragon
Nov 13, 2007, 08:58 PM
Nice and snappy

BKKbill
Nov 13, 2007, 09:02 PM
This upgrade was needed I was getting a lot of server busy. This at times that are opposite the US.

commonpeople
Nov 13, 2007, 09:02 PM
I'm waiting for the first downvote.

iSpud
Nov 13, 2007, 09:09 PM
Excellent power boost to the site. First site I check when I get home from work. Thanks!

Rocketman
Nov 13, 2007, 09:09 PM
I just think it is phunnie they declared it "snappier", especially since it is more so on my install of Safari. :D

Rocketman

quigleybc
Nov 13, 2007, 09:10 PM
way to go Arn!!

This is my favorite website, and has been for years.

I really should donate.

......

Sunrunner
Nov 13, 2007, 09:11 PM
fyi, we're on Clovertown-based servers with softlayer.com. Not running on Mac OS X, however. They run variants of Linux.

Other Notes

- Forum search (http://forums.macrumors.com/search.php) should be much better now with some advanced options (http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=381730) being tested.
- You may see some forum slowness weekly at 4:30am EST on Sunday when our full database backup takes place. Incremental backups are taken throughout the week which shouldn't affect performance.

arn

kind of a bummer... good PR lost. At least its not IIS or something though ;)

Scarlet Fever
Nov 13, 2007, 09:13 PM
still needs more cowbell

freiheit
Nov 13, 2007, 09:16 PM
After the upgrade, Safari seems snappier. :D

queshy
Nov 13, 2007, 09:19 PM
Yay! Thanks for the upgrade. This is my favorite website...I spend way too much time over here (is that a good or bad thing? hmmm...)

kellen
Nov 13, 2007, 09:20 PM
I'm waiting for the first downvote.

who would vote this one negative? 3 so far at time of this posting.

mac-convert
Nov 13, 2007, 09:23 PM
It seems like every place I go on the internet is now faster!

Thanks for the hard work and the upgrade everyone!!!

commonpeople
Nov 13, 2007, 09:23 PM
who would vote this one negative? 3 so far at time of this posting.

I suggest that Arn finds out who wants a slower MR and makes their wish come true. That would surprise them.

No-votes don't mean anything- it's all for fun.

John A
Nov 13, 2007, 09:26 PM
definitely feels faster to me! nice work.

Telp
Nov 13, 2007, 09:26 PM
Great news! Glad to hear of the growth of such a great community.

Football1maniac
Nov 13, 2007, 09:33 PM
I don't know if this is real or not...

Where are the elevator shots?:D:apple:

Great job, I come to this website on a daily basis.

bwanac
Nov 13, 2007, 09:37 PM
Hooray!
:D

I can really tell the difference.

DaftUnion
Nov 13, 2007, 09:38 PM
still needs more cowbell

LOL...how true

egsaxy
Nov 13, 2007, 09:46 PM
still needs more cowbell

it always needs more cowbell.

justflie
Nov 13, 2007, 09:50 PM
nice job arn and co. I didn't really notice any non-snappiness before but hey, the faster the better.

kresh
Nov 13, 2007, 10:06 PM
who would vote this one negative? 3 so far at time of this posting.

I voted negative.

I regularly read comments on the article before I vote. When Arn said the servers Linux over OS X I couldn't vote positive.

Not that voting really matters like on Digg.

aftk2
Nov 13, 2007, 10:07 PM
Any thoughts you could put together about scaling the site to five servers? Do you have one dedicated database server for your vbulletin install and four apache servers? Are you running four servers that mirror each other and are then load balanced? If that's true how are you replicating your database across the servers?

Just curious about how one might scale a bulletin board app :) that's all. Great work. I've lurked for most of my history on this site (including before I registered).

compuguy1088
Nov 13, 2007, 10:08 PM
it always needs more cowbell.

Where's the gong?

DanB91
Nov 13, 2007, 10:13 PM
fyi, we're on Clovertown-based servers with softlayer.com. Not running on Mac OS X, however. They run variants of Linux.



arn

:(:(:(:(:(

Scarlet Fever
Nov 13, 2007, 10:19 PM
:(:(:(:(:(

It's not that bad, Linux is the next best thing to Mac OS X. If Apple died tomorrow, I'd use a variant of Linux. It's not as good as Mac OS X, but it still beats the bollocks out of Windows :D

arn
Nov 13, 2007, 10:20 PM
Any thoughts you could put together about scaling the site to five servers? Do you have one dedicated database server for your vbulletin install and four apache servers? Are you running four servers that mirror each other and are then load balanced? If that's true how are you replicating your database across the servers?

Just curious about how one might scale a bulletin board app :) that's all. Great work. I've lurked for most of my history on this site (including before I registered).

Good question.

The site growth progression was as follows:

1. Single Dedicated Server (had it for other reasons). Site (mostly static) + Forums (PHP) + MySQL DB. (year: 2000, so the server was modest by today's standards)

2. As the forums grew, it took additional resources, causing high loads. I eventually added a dedicated Forum server with additional RAM. That brought us to 2 servers. Main site + Forum/DB server.

3. Forum/DB server again started getting busy. At this point, MySQL was the main culprit. Added a dedicated MySQL server, with more RAM, and RAID 5 SCSI for additional drive performance. So 3 servers. Main Site + Forum + MySQL

4. Things stayed there for a while I believe. Added a 4th Misc server for additional projects, guides, ad server, to not overload the existing servers.

5. Forum server loads started getting high, so added the existing 4th server into the mix as a round-robin PHP server. So forums were split over 2 PHP servers (unevenly) and the mysql server.

6. In the past few months, forum servers were getting busy at times, especially with high traffic events in the past few months. I decided to upgrade all servers, as a number of servers were showing their age (a few years old), and split the forum servers into two equal dedicated servers. Just replacing the existing servers with modern servers actually gave us more room to grow as the existing servers were a few years old.

7. So now we're at Main Site, 2 Forum servers, 1 DB server (RAID 10 SCSI), and 1 Misc server (guides, ads, attachments).

Along the lines, various optimizations have been incorporated. Memcached, PHP accelerators, alternative search engine, cached forum pages.

All the rules change for keynote/MacRumorsLive days, for which we have to bring on some additional horsepower to handle the traffic. The forums, though, may be ok in the future - but won't know for sure until we hit that ceiling.

arn

Wild-Bill
Nov 13, 2007, 10:21 PM
still needs more cowbell

I agree. The site would be much, MUCH better with more cowbell.

JesterJJZ
Nov 13, 2007, 10:23 PM
Wait...this site isn't run off a mac? :confused:

Football1maniac
Nov 13, 2007, 10:25 PM
Wait...this site isn't run off a mac? :confused:

I know. Sheer brilliance.:rolleyes::apple:

irun5k
Nov 13, 2007, 10:28 PM
Look, Xserve boxes have their place. They are a solid option for small to medium sized companies that perhaps have a couple racks of "manually" maintained servers mainly to fulfill the IT needs of internal employees.

However, for bulk, commodity-type hosting, there is no reason at all to pay a premium on hardware or an OS. Why? These boxes are buried in a massive data center somewhere and nobody ever administers them directly. You have a common Linux image, perhaps RHE, that gets blown down to the most recent lot of 500 servers that you ordered. These things are like grains of sand on the beach. They're little worker bees that handle hundreds of thousands of requests a day. They're often completely headless and run at runtime level 3 (no X-server.) These data centers have a qualified staff to handle everything that might happen. The savings of Linux over a proprietary OS and hardware get passed along to the customer. Everyone is happy.

This scenario is a far cry from the 100 person company that has 2 guys doing IT. These guys might be MCSEs if you're lucky, but they probably don't know much about Linux. They're managing everything by hand. These 2 guys desperately need to throw out and Linux and Windows boxes they have and replace them with Xserve boxes. This isn't Macrumors.com though, because Arn already indicated they've done the smart thing and outsourced the hosting.

Sandfleaz
Nov 13, 2007, 10:37 PM
Congrats on your growth.
One of my regular sites.
.

kresh
Nov 13, 2007, 10:38 PM
This isn't Macrumors.com though, because Arn already indicated they've done the smart thing and outsourced the hosting.



There's dedicated OS X outsourcing:

http://www.machost.com/dedicated_hosting.html
http://www.machost.com/images/mcfooter_04.jpg (http://www.machost.com)

MacNut
Nov 13, 2007, 10:42 PM
It is always good to see this site grow. The past few months have seen the biggest jump that I can remember. A lot faster and more reliable then the old days.:)

arn
Nov 13, 2007, 10:43 PM
There's dedicated OS X outsourcing: http://www.machost.com/dedicated_hosting.html

heh, comes with 6GB transfer a month. 3GB block extra for $25.

I think we pushed 3300GB+ last month. So that would be $27,450 per month for bandwidth costs alone though them. Not including server costs. :)

[edit: updated numbers]

arn

CalBoy
Nov 13, 2007, 10:44 PM
It's been much better today than in the past. Thanks again Arn (for the upgrade, and a great site:)).

kresh
Nov 13, 2007, 10:46 PM
heh, comes with 6GB transfer a month. 3GB block extra for $25.

I think we pushed 2600GB last month. So that would be $21,616 per month for bandwidth costs alone. Not including server costs. :)

arn

I wasn't answering the cost argument :D

MacNut
Nov 13, 2007, 10:48 PM
In theory how long can we go on these servers before even thinking of an upgrade. Is this a long term fix.

arn
Nov 13, 2007, 10:50 PM
In theory how long can we go on these servers before even thinking of an upgrade. Is this a long term fix.

We won't know until we get there. This is a big jump though because it upgraded all servers with modern hardware. Old servers were a few years old. So while the jump in # of servers wasn't huge, the capacity of each server is much higher.

arn

CalBoy
Nov 13, 2007, 10:53 PM
We won't know until we get there. This is a big jump though because it upgraded all servers with modern hardware. Old servers were a few years old. So while the jump in # of servers wasn't huge, the capacity of each server is much higher.

arn

Ooooh I'm getting that warm fuzzy feeling. I hope these new ones last a long time.:)

~Shard~
Nov 13, 2007, 10:54 PM
Great news! This will help ensure that MacRumors continues to be an excellent resource & community for a long time to come! :cool:

A big, heartfelt thank you to Arn & Co. :)

JesterJJZ
Nov 13, 2007, 10:56 PM
Does Apple run their site on xserves? :p

What did they use before they made the xserve?

synth3tik
Nov 13, 2007, 10:57 PM
WooHoo, new servers...

I guess I have been lucky and have not had any "sever Busy" error, but it's nice to know I should not expect any.:D

I wish I could get new servers, my Suns are getting kind of old.

MacinDoc
Nov 13, 2007, 10:57 PM
Finally, something that really does make Safari snappier. At least when I'm on MR.

offwidafairies
Nov 13, 2007, 10:59 PM
that title made me laugh out loud :D

arn
Nov 13, 2007, 10:59 PM
Does Apple run their site on xserves? :p

What did they use before they made the xserve?

I think they used to run on Sun/Solaris.

arn

kainjow
Nov 13, 2007, 11:03 PM
It even feels snappier on my iPhone ;)

Westside guy
Nov 13, 2007, 11:06 PM
I remember that Hotmail still ran on BSD for a couple years after MS bought it. They tried switching to Windows pretty quickly, but they ran into massive availability issues and had to switch back. It's on Windows now though.

I don't see any reason MacRumors should be running on OS X though. It's a great desktop OS, but as a server OS it doesn't offer much you can't get with Linux (or BSD, or Solaris, or ...). It certainly doesn't offer better performance.

nickspohn
Nov 13, 2007, 11:10 PM
Ah, i like.

Congrats Arn. I envy you and some of the other creators of huge (and i mean huge forums / websites) that have just shot through the roof in activity / popularity.

Macmaniac
Nov 13, 2007, 11:11 PM
Congrats on the upgrade. This site remains the authority on Mac news for a reason. Keep up the good work.

Its scary to think the site has grown so fast!

nickspohn
Nov 13, 2007, 11:13 PM
And not that this is serious or anything (it has its flaws):

www.dnscoop.com


The estimated value of http://macrumors.com is: $6,916,000

Macmaniac
Nov 13, 2007, 11:16 PM
Out of curiosity Arn, has this site become a full time job for you?

CalBoy
Nov 13, 2007, 11:20 PM
Out of curiosity Arn, has this site become a full time job for you?

I'm a bit curious as well. Do you still practice or does MR take up all of your time?

LimeiBook86
Nov 13, 2007, 11:21 PM
Wow, great job arn! :) Everything does seem very snappy. :D Thanks a bunch!

ArmyKnight12
Nov 13, 2007, 11:40 PM
Macrumors Rules! Keep up the good work. :apple:

brepublican
Nov 13, 2007, 11:57 PM
This shouldnt be a news item :mad:



It should be a rumor!!! :D:D

ChrisA
Nov 14, 2007, 12:08 AM
fyi, we're on Clovertown-based servers with softlayer.com. Not running on Mac OS X, however. They run variants of Linux.
arn

That's great even the powers that be Mac Rumors think "Mac cost to much" and get something else..

I agree. macs are great desktops. The user interface is why you buy a Mac. Servers generally run headless with no user interface at all except maybe ssh.

avkills
Nov 14, 2007, 12:18 AM
Snappier indeed.. Cool. Thanks Arn.

-mark

John Musbach
Nov 14, 2007, 12:31 AM
This is cool, perhaps someone would be willing to release the full tech specs of the servers for us geeks? :D :)

szark
Nov 14, 2007, 12:35 AM
Sweet! I can't wait to see how the forums handle the traffic for Macworld. :)

gdp057
Nov 14, 2007, 12:56 AM
Just saying thanks, great site, great forums. MacRumors is my default "I've hit the end of the internet now what" site. Keep up the good work!

makismagoo99
Nov 14, 2007, 01:20 AM
Thanks! The page is definitely a lot faster. Everything comes up almost instantly. :)

appleguru1
Nov 14, 2007, 01:42 AM
kind of a bummer... good PR lost. At least its not IIS or something though ;)

...At least they're not dells anymore ;)

And 3.3TB BW last month.. wow... MR is popular :P

KingYaba
Nov 14, 2007, 01:53 AM
So why does one vote negative? Seems this is positive news to me. :confused:

DoFoT9
Nov 14, 2007, 02:01 AM
nice work MR.
its nice to see that your implementing new upgrades faster than apple :P that's bound to mean something!!!!! nice work.

got any info on the new servers? id love to hear what there is running

DoFoT9

justflie
Nov 14, 2007, 02:21 AM
So why does one vote negative? Seems this is positive news to me. :confused:

Hahaha, seriously people. Sometimes I just shake my head at the negatives. :confused:

koobcamuk
Nov 14, 2007, 02:21 AM
nice work MR.
its nice to see that your implementing new upgrades faster than apple

I heard the OSX 10.5 team were pulled to work on MacRumors, so we'll see 10.5.1 later than expected :rolleyes:

I like the 'now snappier' remark. Nice touch.

arn
Nov 14, 2007, 02:23 AM
got any info on the new servers? id love to hear what there is running


1 x Single Processor Clovertown (Quad Core) 2.0GHz, 2GB RAM
3 x Dual Processor Clovertown (Quad Core) 2.0GHz, 4GB RAM
1 x Dual Processor Clovertown (Quad Core) 2.0GHz, 4GB RAM, RAID 10, 4x73GB SCSI 15k RPM

All running CentOS (linux). (I hadn't actually intended to get Clovertowns, but they were substituted as Woodcrests weren't available at the time.)

rdowns
Nov 14, 2007, 04:20 AM
G

7. So now we're at Main Site, 2 Forum servers, 1 DB server (RAID 10 SCSI), and 1 Misc server (guides, ads, attachments, Mad Jew posts).


Fixed that for you. ;)

Thanks for the continued investment in MR, Arn.

DoFoT9
Nov 14, 2007, 05:33 AM
I heard the OSX 10.5 team were pulled to work on MacRumors, so we'll see 10.5.1 later than expected :rolleyes:

I like the 'now snappier' remark. Nice touch.
bahahaha ohh so thats why we will have to wait. nice call

1 x Single Processor Clovertown (Quad Core) 2.0GHz, 2GB RAM
3 x Dual Processor Clovertown (Quad Core) 2.0GHz, 4GB RAM
1 x Dual Processor Clovertown (Quad Core) 2.0GHz, 4GB RAM, RAID 10, 4x73GB SCSI 15k RPM

All running CentOS (linux). (I hadn't actually intended to get Clovertowns, but they were substituted as Woodcrests weren't available at the time.)
oh wow thanks arn :) its incredible isnt it, thats quite alot of power u have there.
whats the internet bandwidth that youve got? black fibre :P?

Fixed that for you. ;)

Thanks for the continued investment in MR, Arn.

bahahahahahahaha yooo madjew might need his own harddrive to store all of his replies and comments :P

twoodcc
Nov 14, 2007, 05:48 AM
great! thanks for putting Nike+ on there also ;)

TranceClubMusic
Nov 14, 2007, 05:55 AM
We love your guys!
Thank you for your service to the MAC community.

Im proud to be a donator to a site I visit everyday.


I seem to have lost my title as a donator?! : (

supremedesigner
Nov 14, 2007, 06:22 AM
now I smell redesign of MR website :D

samh004
Nov 14, 2007, 06:54 AM
This is a welcome upgrade, I have experienced a few issues with MR these past months where things have been down and not working. Hopefully that will stop now.

Good to know it should handle a lot more now :)

krye
Nov 14, 2007, 07:25 AM
Show us your .... servers!

Where are the pics? Are you rockin' new Xserves?

edesignuk
Nov 14, 2007, 07:25 AM
Where are the pics? Are you rockin' new Xserves?No, we're not. Read the thread :rolleyes:

Cooknn
Nov 14, 2007, 07:43 AM
Makes EDGE feel like 3G on my BlackBerry Pearl :p

Knox
Nov 14, 2007, 07:45 AM
Just curious about how one might scale a bulletin board app :)

Along the lines, various optimizations have been incorporated. Memcached, PHP accelerators, alternative search engine, cached forum pages.

Just to add to what arn said - when looking at scaling a site this is something that is often overlooked: you can quite often get a substantial increase in performance by implementing software optimisations without paying any more for additional servers. For vBulletin, the forums on vBulletin.com and vBulletin.org are a good place to look for advice and tips, but sometimes you might have to get your hands dirty and write your own hacks/optimisations.

Manatee
Nov 14, 2007, 08:17 AM
Congratulations on the growth of your site, Arn. :)

This is always my first stop for everything Apple, and I check it many times each day. The news is always well-chosen and well-written. The forums are lively and helpful.

Switched2aMac
Nov 14, 2007, 08:24 AM
still needs more cowbell

Ha, your post made me laugh. Gotta love Christopher Walken on SNL:D:D:D

eRondeau
Nov 14, 2007, 08:40 AM
way to go Arn!!

This is my favorite website, and has been for years.

I really should donate.......


What he said. Except PayPal is the only option to make a donation. I don't have PayPal and I don't want PayPal. Give me another way and I'll ante-up today!

supremedesigner
Nov 14, 2007, 08:52 AM
I'm a bit curious as well. Do you still practice or does MR take up all of your time?

I have been wonderin about that too. Is it true? :)

Kenn Marks
Nov 14, 2007, 08:54 AM
fyi, we're on Clovertown-based servers with softlayer.com. Not running on Mac OS X, however. They run variants of Linux.

Other Notes

- Forum search (http://forums.macrumors.com/search.php) should be much better now with some advanced options (http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=381730) being tested.

arn

Arm, you did not answer the under lying question, are the servers made by Apple? A lot of us are running Xserves but not running Apples flavor of server software for one reason or another. Bottom line who made the box?

edesignuk
Nov 14, 2007, 09:14 AM
Arm, you did not answer the under lying question, are the servers made by Apple?They are not XServes. Look at the hardware spec arn laid out, Apple don't make machines like that.

Bottom line, does it matter? They're quick.

Kenn Marks
Nov 14, 2007, 09:33 AM
They are not XServes. Look at the hardware spec arn laid out, Apple don't make machines like that.

Bottom line, does it matter? They're quick.

maybe the site should be renamed computerrumors.com if they can't really support the platform. How much would you trust the Porsche salesman that drove a Toyota. It's called practice what you preach. I didn't say they had to use OSX but Doug and company at the Apple server group have gone to great extremes to create an enterprise worthy server. I make sure all my Apple customers for whom I do web work are running on Apple servers and we rub that in the viewing publics face at the bottom of each page, made and run on a Mac.

edesignuk
Nov 14, 2007, 09:35 AM
maybe the site should be renamed computerrumors.com if they can't really support the platform. How much would you trust the Porsche salesman that drove a Toyota. It's called practice what you preach. I didn't say they had to use OSX but Doug and company at the Apple server group have gone to great extremes to create an enterprise worthy server. I make sure all my Apple customers for whom I do web work are running on Apple servers and we rub that in the viewing publics face at the bottom of each page, made and run on a Mac.Yes, that seems intelligent. We will abandon the sites core focus because Apple's server offerings don't make financial, technical, or business sense for us. Brilliant.

dlewis23
Nov 14, 2007, 09:35 AM
1 x Single Processor Clovertown (Quad Core) 2.0GHz, 2GB RAM
3 x Dual Processor Clovertown (Quad Core) 2.0GHz, 4GB RAM
1 x Dual Processor Clovertown (Quad Core) 2.0GHz, 4GB RAM, RAID 10, 4x73GB SCSI 15k RPM

All running CentOS (linux). (I hadn't actually intended to get Clovertowns, but they were substituted as Woodcrests weren't available at the time.)

Very nice setup. I have a few servers at softlayer you will love them if this is your first time with them.

sethypoo
Nov 14, 2007, 09:57 AM
Very cool MacRumors! I'm glad to be a contributer.

kainjow
Nov 14, 2007, 10:07 AM
We love your guys!
Thank you for your service to the MAC community.

Im proud to be a donator to a site I visit everyday.


I seem to have lost my title as a donator?! : (

Your paid subscription probably expired.

smueboy
Nov 14, 2007, 10:14 AM
...Bottom line, does it matter? They're quick.

Yes they are - in fact they are SNAPPY!

Nice Job. :D

arn
Nov 14, 2007, 10:19 AM
maybe the site should be renamed computerrumors.com if they can't really support the platform. How much would you trust the Porsche salesman that drove a Toyota. It's called practice what you preach. I didn't say they had to use OSX but Doug and company at the Apple server group have gone to great extremes to create an enterprise worthy server. I make sure all my Apple customers for whom I do web work are running on Apple servers and we rub that in the viewing publics face at the bottom of each page, made and run on a Mac.

We've never been blind Apple-followers. Tool for the job and all. And it's hard to find competitive/quality Xserve hosting. You are welcome to try and let me know what you come up with, our specs are here:

http://forums.macrumors.com/showpost.php?p=4491644&postcount=83

and we get 2TB per server bandwidth, and lease our servers.

good luck :)
arn

smueboy
Nov 14, 2007, 10:29 AM
maybe the site should be renamed computerrumors.com if they can't really support the platform. How much would you trust the Porsche salesman that drove a Toyota. It's called practice what you preach. I didn't say they had to use OSX but Doug and company at the Apple server group have gone to great extremes to create an enterprise worthy server. I make sure all my Apple customers for whom I do web work are running on Apple servers and we rub that in the viewing publics face at the bottom of each page, made and run on a Mac.

I think i can speak for most people here when i say that i don't care what the site is run on, as long as it runs and runs well (Which is does!). The focus of the site is what is important. Plus, nothing wring with Linux.

rhpenguin
Nov 14, 2007, 10:37 AM
maybe the site should be renamed computerrumors.com if they can't really support the platform. How much would you trust the Porsche salesman that drove a Toyota. It's called practice what you preach. I didn't say they had to use OSX but Doug and company at the Apple server group have gone to great extremes to create an enterprise worthy server. I make sure all my Apple customers for whom I do web work are running on Apple servers and we rub that in the viewing publics face at the bottom of each page, made and run on a Mac.

A Xeon is an Xeon no matter what board you stick it on. And OS X server uses the same underlying F/OSS apps that CentOS does. Actually, I prefer CentOS /RHEL to OS X server. Please ease your elitist attitudes.

BTW, congrads on the upgrade, Arn. Its an impressive array.

trogdor!
Nov 14, 2007, 11:47 AM
maybe the site should be renamed computerrumors.com if they can't really support the platform. How much would you trust the Porsche salesman that drove a Toyota. It's called practice what you preach. I didn't say they had to use OSX but Doug and company at the Apple server group have gone to great extremes to create an enterprise worthy server. I make sure all my Apple customers for whom I do web work are running on Apple servers and we rub that in the viewing publics face at the bottom of each page, made and run on a Mac.


As nice as it is to say everything we have runs on apple hardware/software, I would agree with the direction of this site and their hosting/design choices. This is a free website that is about apple enthusiasm and excitement. Running and managing sites like this are all about efficiency and cost savings to serve as many users as possible. I applaud their efficient use of their financial resources to get the most out of what they can afford.

Westside guy
Nov 14, 2007, 11:49 AM
maybe the site should be renamed computerrumors.com if they can't really support the platform. How much would you trust the Porsche salesman that drove a Toyota. It's called practice what you preach. I didn't say they had to use OSX but Doug and company at the Apple server group have gone to great extremes to create an enterprise worthy server. I make sure all my Apple customers for whom I do web work are running on Apple servers and we rub that in the viewing publics face at the bottom of each page, made and run on a Mac.

This is just silly. Even your attempt at the Porsche/Toyota analogy doesn't work. If a Porsche salesman drives a Toyota, it's probably for the same reason Arn runs Macrumors on Linux - because it costs less.

Putting "made and run on a Mac" is great for somebody's personal home page, but I have a hard time believing a professional would be doing that on an actual paid gig. It seems a trifle tacky.

scottlinux
Nov 14, 2007, 12:22 PM
Running an Apache/php, etc server with OS X server is expensive. I don't even know of any large corporate hosting companies who offer this service which a site like macrumors could use.

Even apple.com apparently does not use OS X server. They use Solaris!

http://xs321.xs.to/xs321/07463/apple.png.xs.jpg (http://xs.to/xs.php?h=xs321&d=07463&f=apple.png)

luke-j-s
Nov 14, 2007, 03:06 PM
Yep .. much quicker

Plymouthbreezer
Nov 14, 2007, 03:15 PM
Threads quit loading for me as of late... Kinda annoying!

DoFoT9
Nov 14, 2007, 05:00 PM
We've never been blind Apple-followers. Tool for the job and all. And it's hard to find competitive/quality Xserve hosting. You are welcome to try and let me know what you come up with, our specs are here:

http://forums.macrumors.com/showpost.php?p=4491644&postcount=83

and we get 2TB per server bandwidth, and lease our servers.

good luck :)
arn

wow thats incredible 2TB bandwidth!!! u used 3.3TB last month tho??

ohh i see thats per server. still incredible tho. compared to my piddly 12gb per month :(

Doctor Q
Nov 14, 2007, 06:38 PM
I'd be very curious to know what major sites, especially forum sites, do run on Apple servers.

totoro
Nov 14, 2007, 09:28 PM
Yay
Yay
Yay
:apple::apple::apple::apple::apple::apple::apple::apple::apple::apple::apple:::

Linux is better than the borg.
And if it's based on unix, does that mean, it's basically like OS X?:rolleyes:D

Aaron Anthony
Nov 14, 2007, 10:42 PM
WOW, SUPER SNAPPIER! I think it made my iChat snappier as well guys!