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MacRumors
Nov 15, 2007, 12:55 AM
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Alongside the Mac OS X 10.4.11 updates today, Apple also released a new beta of Safari for Windows as detailed in this tech note (http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=306914).

The latest Safari beta for Windows incorporates a number of stability, performance and security improvements. A number of new features are detailed as well, including:

- Includes an additional font smoothing option ("standard)
- Adds International text input methods
- Adds cookie management
- Adds spell checking and grammar checking
- New keyboard shortcuts

Apple also incorporated Safari 3 with the Mac OS X 10.4.11 update, bringing the final version of Safari 3 to Tiger users. Apple first released (http://www.macrumors.com/2007/06/11/wwdc-safari-for-windows/) Safari for Windows in June at WWDC 2007.

Download link: http://www.apple.com/safari/download/

Article Link (http://www.macrumors.com/2007/11/15/safari-3-0-4-beta-for-windows/)



Eidorian
Nov 15, 2007, 01:00 AM
It's nice that Apple pushed Safari 3 final to Tiger. I mean it RAN on Tiger so was there a doubt that it wouldn't go final?

It'll be time for Windows too. :p

TheSpecialist
Nov 15, 2007, 01:13 AM
Finally, thanks Apple!

samh004
Nov 15, 2007, 01:19 AM
I wonder how many Windows users actually use Safari now though. Any official figures ?

Has this latest beta removed some of the Mac-centric shortcuts and stuff like that. I haven't used Safari for Windows since June and I recall it was just a photo copy job of the Mac version back then.

Is it snappier ?!

OdduWon
Nov 15, 2007, 01:21 AM
I am glad to see the spell checker added. Safari is my favorite browser, so having it in Xp is nice. Hope some of the bugs i reported were addressed. Good to see "the best Browser" back it's stuff up. The find feature is also great BTW.

Westside guy
Nov 15, 2007, 01:51 AM
Safari 3 is very fast, and I like it quite a bit - but it also has some new CSS bugs that weren't in 2. Hopefully they'll get those fixed.

Rodimus Prime
Nov 15, 2007, 02:04 AM
Well, about time they added the spell checker for windows. It is a huge reason why I refused to even conisider using Safria for windows. Now I may be willing to play around with it. Fire fox will stay my main browser for a long time to come.

Master Atrus
Nov 15, 2007, 02:07 AM
I'm sorry, while I appreciate the attempt on Apple's part; Safari on Windows just doesn't "look" good.

I think the browser itself functions fine, but in the grand scheme of things it just doesn't look "Appelish" or rather doesn't fit in the Windows OS - it stands out and does so uglyishly (I know, not a word).

But as long as it works I guess ...

sief
Nov 15, 2007, 02:23 AM
I've been using Safari on XP since Apple debuted the beta for XP. Safari 3 looks much better and I love it so far. Thanks Apple.

Darkroom
Nov 15, 2007, 02:23 AM
is Safari 3.0.4 that comes with Mac OS X 10.5 also a beta?

Mekgek
Nov 15, 2007, 02:36 AM
I really don't understand why apple is wasting their time developing safari for windows...whats their goal?

Windows users already have firefox and IE7, both decent browsers, there's no need for safari.

Maybe to sync certain settings to the iPhone?

Blue Velvet
Nov 15, 2007, 02:39 AM
I really don't understand why apple is wasting their time developing safari for windows...whats their goal?

What's their goal? It's all because of the iPhone and browser-based apps.

MattyP30
Nov 15, 2007, 02:41 AM
I really don't understand why apple is wasting their time developing safari for windows...whats their goal?

Windows users already have firefox and IE7, both decent browsers, there's no need for safari.

Maybe to sync certain settings to the iPhone?

its easy to see their goal!

they want windows users to use more and more apple software - its a way of introducing themselves to the uninitiated windows users - and then hopefully they will like it so much that they switch to a mac increasing sales etc

PCMacUser
Nov 15, 2007, 02:57 AM
I wonder how many Windows users actually use Safari now though. Any official figures ?


I don't know a single person (outside these forums) who uses Safari for Windows. Most seem to go 'oh look there's a browser from Apple - install, try, uninstall'.

Osarkon
Nov 15, 2007, 03:12 AM
I don't know a single person (outside these forums) who uses Safari for Windows. Most seem to go 'oh look there's a browser from Apple - install, try, uninstall'.

:o I did that. I prefer Firefox in Windows. But I use Safari in Leopard :)

bÍte noire
Nov 15, 2007, 03:13 AM
I really don't understand why apple is wasting their time developing safari for windows...whats their goal?

One of their goals is to provide a way for Windows-based businesses to test their HTML on Safari. This means we get less web sites that fail to load properly because they've only been tested on IE.

Analog Kid
Nov 15, 2007, 03:37 AM
Standard font smoothing, eh? I guess this means they finally caved and allowed people to let it mangle fonts the Windows way?

macFanDave
Nov 15, 2007, 03:40 AM
Well, it's about time they added the spell checker for windows Windows. It is a huge reason why I refused to even conisider consider using Safria Safari for windows Windows. Now I may be willing to play around with it. Fire fox Firefox will stay my main browser for a long time to come.

You don't need no dang computer spell checker/grammar checker when you got yer buddies at MacRumors forums happy to hep you out!

macFanDave
Nov 15, 2007, 03:42 AM
I really don't understand why apple is wasting their time developing safari for windows...whats their goal?

World domination.

Next question, please!

bigwig
Nov 15, 2007, 03:43 AM
Can anybody compare Safari with Camino? Which would you use and why?

samh004
Nov 15, 2007, 04:40 AM
I hope Apple eventually builds bookmark syncing to Safari on Windows into Safari on Windows. That'd be useful to have, to keep your Windows part of your life in line with your Mac part. A simple preference setting would be all it takes (and of course coding the back-end, but you don't see that so it's as if it's just a new preference setting).

MattJessop
Nov 15, 2007, 05:05 AM
I like using Safari when I'm using Windows, just because the shortcuts are very similar to the OS X version. Unfortunately this means remembering to use the Ctrl key instead of the Cmd key, but oh well :( I think I was one of the few who actually liked the font smoothing. Oh well. It looked purdy.

Just on an interesting side note..

Windows is snappier now.

MacAodh
Nov 15, 2007, 05:30 AM
Can anybody compare Safari with Camino? Which would you use and why?

I used Camino in Tiger but when i switched to Leopard i began to use Safari. I used Camino because it was faster loading and loading webpages but now in leopard Safari loads just as quick and loads webpages just as quick too. Also, the "make a widget" future is a hell of a lot handier then i expected it to be as well as quite a few webpages now playing much nicer with Safari then with Camino (for example my online banking, Gmail - GoogleChat, and a few web 2.0 pages too...) Plus it did drive me nuts the way pdf's would download rather then open with Camino

To be honest i like Camino because it's open source and Safari because it fits into Leopard better. All the benefits that made me use Camino in Tiger have been fixed by Safari in Leopard

By the way, Safari on windows is ****** in my opinion although i haven't used the latest beta. Just seams not to play well with the whole windows thing...

alec
Nov 15, 2007, 05:45 AM
Now when will Firefox become useable in OS X?

twoodcc
Nov 15, 2007, 05:52 AM
glad that they got the final for Tiger, and that they are still improving the windows version. now if only i could install it here at work....

mozmac
Nov 15, 2007, 06:03 AM
I don't know a single person (outside these forums) who uses Safari for Windows. Most seem to go 'oh look there's a browser from Apple - install, try, uninstall'.

I am a forum user, yes, but I actually used Safari on Windows as my main browser for the past summer. My wife and I shared a laptop and both have Gmail accounts. So, she used Firefox and I used Safari so that we wouldn't have to keep logging in and out to check our email. I didn't mind Safari too much, but I still choose Firefox over it.

I'm writing this post beta 3.0.4 right now. They've brought over some much needed shortcuts (like Ctrl - Tab to switch between tabs. THANK YOU! The other way was a joke!) Safari still has a long way to go if it wants to be my main browser. The look is too dark and the interface is clunky.

boss1
Nov 15, 2007, 06:17 AM
Safari isn't that much better or worst then FireFox on windows. The difference is Apple hasn't created a Safari buzz for windows so it isn't downloaded by the masses.


And even if that happens it won't be downloaded by 70something % of the population who own computers because the masses scratch their heads at anything outside IE.

sad, just the way it is though

samh004
Nov 15, 2007, 07:15 AM
Safari still has a long way to go if it wants to be my main browser. The look is too dark and the interface is clunky.

Submit a bug report to tell them what needs to be done.

And even if that happens it won't be downloaded by 70something % of the population who own computers because the masses scratch their heads at anything outside IE.

Perhaps they should bundle it with iTunes and Quicktime downloads. I was almost going to say with the iTunes discs that come with iPod's, but that ended a long time ago :(

VforVelveta
Nov 15, 2007, 07:16 AM
glad that they got the final for Tiger, and that they are still improving the windows version. now if only i could install it here at work....

Safari's actually the only browswer outside of IE that my IT dept. doesn't seem to uninstall overnight. The only problem was, up until now, there was still no Gmail chat, but now even that's changed.

For now, its so long IE until IT finds Safari.

balahir
Nov 15, 2007, 07:19 AM
Is it just mee who thinks that Safari is the most ugly browser in the Universe? In response to an earlier post, I think Camino is much better looking, has about equal functionality to Safari and still better performance.

TheSpecialist
Nov 15, 2007, 07:19 AM
Ok time I can test this build.

First thing I notice is that the looks have changed, from this:

http://www.sephiroth.it/weblog/archives/images/safari_windows.png

To the Leopard buttons. Bookmark menu updated, looks good. Alot of new shortcuts which is very good, like CTRL-TAB for tab switching and shortcuts for selecting web field/adress bar, search field. It looks very good, and it is very stable hasn't crashed 1 time since this build. Also very speedy!

Conclusion, this build is very good and Apple has done a superb job on this, and I thank for devoloping on Windows. I wonder when it leaves Beta, it looks finished now.

nickelcokes
Nov 15, 2007, 08:04 AM
Can anybody compare Safari with Camino? Which would you use and why?

I used Camino in Tiger, but I switched in Leopard. Not because Safari is so much better, mind you, but for four specific reasons:

1. In Camino, you switch tabs using Command-Option-<arrows>, while in Safari and Terminal, you switch tabs with Command-{ or Command-}. Since Terminal and the browser are my two most-frequently-used applications, I like the shortcuts to agree.

2. Camino downloads everything, including PDFs. I like how Safari opens the PDF in its window.

3. The new highlighting in Safari search makes it really easy to find things. Plus, it just looks good.

4. The tabs in Camino are still Tiger-gray. It's petty, but it just doesn't look right with the new window coloring.

Things I sorely miss from Camino:

1. Keyword bookmarks: I can type "google <phrase>" for a Google search, "wiki <article>" for a Wikipedia article, "weather <zip code>" for weather in a given zip code, and much more. Why can't Safari give me this?

2. Link search-and-select: I can just start typing text, and Camino will select links that match the text. Hitting Return follows the link that is selected. I don't need a mouse to follow hyperlinks! I wish Safari would offer this option.

3. Inline search: Safari's Command-f doesn't take much more effort, but you start a Camino text search with "/". This agrees with searching in vim and less, so it's familiar.

nickelcokes
Nov 15, 2007, 08:08 AM
Is it just mee who thinks that Safari is the most ugly browser in the Universe? In response to an earlier post, I think Camino is much better looking, has about equal functionality to Safari and still better performance.

The Tiger appearance was definitely rapped several times with the ugly stick. To brushed metal, I say, "I'm glad you're dead! Ha ha ha!" (Let's see if anybody gets that...) However, I think it looks good in Leopard. Another nice feature is the gray buttons; when you switch applications, the new Safari looks completely washed out. There's no confusion that you are no longer working in Safari.

nickelcokes
Nov 15, 2007, 08:10 AM
Safari's actually the only browswer outside of IE that my IT dept. doesn't seem to uninstall overnight. The only problem was, up until now, there was still no Gmail chat, but now even that's changed.

For now, its so long IE until IT finds Safari.

What a bunch of asses! There's nothing worse than an IT department that fails to realize they are SUPPORT staff. Networks do not exist for the sake of existence, they exist for the sake of the users!

walnuts
Nov 15, 2007, 08:41 AM
In response to Safari vs. Camino on a Mac- I'm a Camino user- its blazingly fast on my iMac. I do think its annoying that the pdf's won't load in the browser.

On my work computer, I've downloaded Safari and have been using it for a while. Its not for any good reason; perhaps I just like the look. I do find it lacking in features/ there's a bug or two that bothers me vs. firefox that I used before. Specifically, I can't figure out how to lock it into one window- I want each link to automatically open in a new tab, not a new window. Also, I find google maps to scroll oddly with the mouse wheel. The scrolling will work, but it takes a moment for the screen to refresh making it very difficult to control.

It seems to me that the font smoothing is slightly different in 3.0.4- anyone else notice this>

eenu
Nov 15, 2007, 08:43 AM
What's their goal? It's all because of the iPhone and browser-based apps.

Ummm a bit but not really. Its all for switchers. You can use Safari and iTunes, then you can sure as hell use a Mac. They even say that on the website. When i went for my Apple interview it was clear they are hunting down switchers and want to make it so Windows peeps feel like they already know Apple and the Mac Interface before they even switch.

rosalindavenue
Nov 15, 2007, 08:47 AM
The first beta version broke Yahoo Widgets on my XP Pro setup at work. (Yahoo bought Konfabulator after it expanded into windows; I like to have the weather widget up). So I have not tried it again.

More importantly, I probably would not use Safari anyway (just like I rarely use it on my Mac at home) because of my love for firefox add-ons-- in particular, adblock pro and tiny url creator. To the extent I use other browers it is generally via the "open in IE" or "open in Safari" firefox ad-ons. Firefox ad-ons are the killer app of web browsing.

pomus
Nov 15, 2007, 08:50 AM
I don't know a single person (outside these forums) who uses Safari for Windows. Most seem to go 'oh look there's a browser from Apple - install, try, uninstall'.

haha, I actually do that with ie7: install, try, uninstall. The problem with uninstall is that as I uninstalled ie7, it erased something in my system, which meant that I had to reboot :mad: .

walnuts
Nov 15, 2007, 08:52 AM
Things I sorely miss from Camino:

1. Keyword bookmarks: I can type "google <phrase>" for a Google search, "wiki <article>" for a Wikipedia article, "weather <zip code>" for weather in a given zip code, and much more. Why can't Safari give me this?


You know, strangely enough, on windows, I found a workaround for this. First, I had transferred my bookmarks from firefox, where I had already made several keyword searches. Second, I use launchy, a launching program for windows. Strangely enough, while the keyword searches don't work in safari, they do work through launchy to safari.

So, back to the mac, I think you could make keywork searches using quicksilver, and have them work in safari, though I haven't tried with safari (it works in camino though)

roland.g
Nov 15, 2007, 09:00 AM
Does the Safari for Windows update fix the lack of scroll wheel support in Safari and the issue with minimizing a maximized window?

ditzy
Nov 15, 2007, 09:02 AM
I find safari on windows to be really slow. I love the way it looks but that's the only thing i like about it.

Avatar74
Nov 15, 2007, 09:03 AM
This is actually pretty hilarious. Safari on XP looks and feels better than XP. Brilliant marketing tool to bring people away from the DarkSide. It makes Microsoft look pretty bad when applications designed by Apple working within their own operating system look this good. It immediately begs the question, "Why can't the rest of Windows look like this?"

I always marvel at how after 8+ hours a day of using Win XP at work my eyes feel like they've been assaulted by razor blades... but I could use OS X nonstop for hours on end. There's something to be said for productivity with an OS that's easier on the eyes as well as more intuitively functional.

Users spend more time being pissed off at Windows and less time getting actual work done, wheras OS X feels quite comfortable... Heh, just now the idiotically placed fourth mouse button on this HP Compaq Evo n610c, which is a backup machine while my HP nc8000 gets its logic board replaced (the fifth or sixth repair/reimage/replacement and second or third laptop I've gone through in two years at my office).... the mouse button got in the way causing a contextual menu to pop up (as it does every few seconds) unintentionally.

Speaking... argh, there it goes again... See what I mean? :D

boss1
Nov 15, 2007, 09:05 AM
I really don't understand why apple is wasting their time developing safari for windows...whats their goal?

Windows users already have firefox and IE7, both decent browsers, there's no need for safari...

Why does Lexus bother making cars? Cadillac and Mercedez are already good cars!..theres no need for Lexus! /silly



As far as what their goal is. well you can slice it up into many things, switchers, iPhone, developers etc. However the over all goal will always be 'To sell more hardware & software'

rijiMacDij
Nov 15, 2007, 09:06 AM
I find safari on windows to be really slow. I love the way it looks but that's the only thing i like about it.

Get a Mac!

Can
Nov 15, 2007, 09:08 AM
Apple has actually done it with this update.

The last versions have been very buggy. With this version however things seem to be displayed right, pages load fast and it actually serve some basic functions such as spellchecking etc.

I have been using FireFox with a few plugins as my main windows browser so far, and I won't change that fact yet. I personally need a few extra handy web-developer tools so I can use the browser as a working tool and not just a browser.


However with this new version Safari on windows makes a huge leap towards FireFox and Opera that is currently the top two browsers for Windows as far as functionality goes. :apple:

TheSpecialist
Nov 15, 2007, 09:08 AM
It just crashed the first time.. damnit.

dernhelm
Nov 15, 2007, 09:23 AM
It STILL can't deal with the Automatic Configuration script that we have for our firewall here:

http://proxy.mycompany.net:8080/array.dll?Get.Routing.Script

Such a bummer.

morespce54
Nov 15, 2007, 09:24 AM
It's nice that Apple pushed Safari 3 final to Tiger. I mean it RAN on Tiger so was there a doubt that it wouldn't go final?

It'll be time for Windows too. :p


I know it's a small thing but I would really appreciated it if the Tiger version had the widget-maker too... oh well...

morespce54
Nov 15, 2007, 09:32 AM
Does the Safari for Windows update fix the lack of scroll wheel support in Safari and the issue with minimizing a maximized window?

I don't seems to have any problem with the scroll wheel. :)
I can't remember the previous version look, but this update has the (regular windows) minimize, maximize and close buttons and they act as expected... on a windows software! ;)

So I guess the answer is, yes.

rotlex
Nov 15, 2007, 10:02 AM
I'd really love to start using this at the office, but I see they still, or now, have the proxy settings tied to your IE settings. Why would they do this? I need two different proxies set - one for office, and one for uh, "a link back to home" ;)

Come on Apple, Mozilla has it's own proxy setup and doesn't really on what IE has set!

Can
Nov 15, 2007, 10:10 AM
Does the Safari for Windows update fix the lack of scroll wheel support in Safari and the issue with minimizing a maximized window?

Regular scrolling works but my "click" scroll does still not work in Safari.

I'm not sure about the minimizing maximizing bug. But they have done some updates to how resizing windows works so it might be addressed. There is still no minimizing animation though like there is with all other windows apps.

jholzner
Nov 15, 2007, 10:17 AM
To brushed metal, I say, "I'm glad you're dead! Ha ha ha!" (Let's see if anybody gets that...)

Is that The Joker from Batman?

GFLPraxis
Nov 15, 2007, 10:29 AM
Well, about time they added the spell checker for windows. It is a huge reason why I refused to even conisider using Safria for windows. Now I may be willing to play around with it. Fire fox will stay my main browser for a long time to come.

Are you sure you used the spell checker? ;)

EDIT:
macFanDave beat me to it :(

brepublican
Nov 15, 2007, 10:39 AM
Is it only on my system (running XP) that Safari takes like a full minute to launch? The app pops up, but it just takes like a full minute to load my home page and become usable. And during that minute, its just frozen... like nothing. But that was the last iteration of the Beta. Maybe they've reduced the load time in this one?

Llywelyn
Nov 15, 2007, 10:57 AM
Is it only on my system (running XP) that Safari takes like a full minute to launch? The app pops up, but it just takes like a full minute to load my home page and become usable. And during that minute, its just frozen... like nothing. But that was the last iteration of the Beta. Maybe they've reduced the load time in this one?

I'm running XP and not having any issues. It loads quickly and is much faster at loading pages than FireFox on the same system.

Can
Nov 15, 2007, 11:15 AM
Is it only on my system (running XP) that Safari takes like a full minute to launch? The app pops up, but it just takes like a full minute to load my home page and become usable. And during that minute, its just frozen... like nothing. But that was the last iteration of the Beta. Maybe they've reduced the load time in this one?

First time I launched it in XP it crashed after only a few seconds, but after that it has been working smooth as pie.:cool:

ATimson
Nov 15, 2007, 11:29 AM
Is it only on my system (running XP) that Safari takes like a full minute to launch? The app pops up, but it just takes like a full minute to load my home page and become usable. And during that minute, its just frozen... like nothing. But that was the last iteration of the Beta. Maybe they've reduced the load time in this one?
That's exactly it, as far as I can tell--it's a lost faster to come out of that.

It also appears to behave as a better Windows app; I've noticed that if I alt-tab from/to Safari while it's frozen like that, it'll have the default Windows title bar until it recovers. That would explain why it can now actually minimize/restore from the task bar. :)

For me, Ctrl+[Shift]+Tab was the dealbreaker, so I'm glad that's here. I'm still not entirely happy with 3.0.4--I miss Adblock! But it's finally become a functional browser for me, so at least for now I'm going to stick with it.

Though it appears to be as much of a memory leaker as Firefox; I'll have to play around some, though. Maybe it's not leaking and it was just hungry on first start, but if that's the case 180 MB is just ridiculous.

SthrnCmfrtr
Nov 15, 2007, 11:31 AM
They probably should've wrapped WebKit in the Windows standard app interface. Would've cut down on a lot of the complaints, I think.

OdduWon
Nov 15, 2007, 11:32 AM
They changed the color of the highlighter in the find function from orange to a now bigger box of yellow. I like it much better. Wish the Crtl# worked for my bookmarks bar though. Safari is now one step closer to being the best.

what is the shortcut for the google search bar, like Ctrl-L for address bar?

also, what do You all think about side to side scrolling? Should safari have a feature like IE for quick 360 scrolling, or is the ever so tiny track ball sufficient?

compuguy1088
Nov 15, 2007, 11:34 AM
:o I did that. I prefer Firefox in Windows. But I use Safari in Leopard :)

I prefer firefox on all platforms, becaused of extensions (Adblock and noscript), though safari on Leopard is very very snappy....


Now when will Firefox become useable in OS X?

Last time I checked Firefox was useable in OSX, at least it is on the Intel Platform. I've noticed that it is especially slow for PPC, especially for flash.

Steve Works
Nov 15, 2007, 11:36 AM
In response to Safari vs. Camino on a Mac- I'm a Camino user- its blazingly fast on my iMac. I do think its annoying that the pdf's won't load in the browser.

On my work computer, I've downloaded Safari and have been using it for a while. Its not for any good reason; perhaps I just like the look. I do find it lacking in features/ there's a bug or two that bothers me vs. firefox that I used before. Specifically, I can't figure out how to lock it into one window- I want each link to automatically open in a new tab, not a new window. Also, I find google maps to scroll oddly with the mouse wheel. The scrolling will work, but it takes a moment for the screen to refresh making it very difficult to control.

It seems to me that the font smoothing is slightly different in 3.0.4- anyone else notice this>

If you go to Edit -> Preferences
now..(in the General tab of course)
in the last option you have:
Open Links from Applications

now chose between opening in a new window or new tab ;)
and it's done

Steve Works
Nov 15, 2007, 11:39 AM
Regular scrolling works but my "click" scroll does still not work in Safari.

I'm not sure about the minimizing maximizing bug. But they have done some updates to how resizing windows works so it might be addressed. There is still no minimizing animation though like there is with all other windows apps.

yep...scrolling works fine...but "click" scroll doesn't work and that sucks a LOT!!! when i open a big webpage and want to go to the middle quickly...i don't want to have to keep tapping Page Down ou scrolling the wheel...baaah
c'mon you morons...just copycat Firefox and give it the Safari look and that will be perfect (i mean...the new Ctrl + Tab to chose the tabs is the same shortcut as firefox...so...just copy the rest)

Orng
Nov 15, 2007, 11:42 AM
It's only a matter of time before Safari for Windows is bundled with iTunes for Windows.

Doesn't bother me at all since I like to keep my iTunes on various macs, and keep the PCs fun-free, but I know a couple people who will be cursing a blue streak when they update their iTunes and suddenly find they have Safari.

But I'll encourage them to try it out. If they dismiss my opinion as "fanboy" rhetoric (because they're like schoolchildren), then I'll direct them to the Alternative Browser Alliance (http://www.alternativebrowseralliance.com/) for some insight.

http://www.alternativebrowseralliance.com/banners/alt-browser-alliance-b-110x32.gif (http://www.alternativebrowseralliance.com/)

OdduWon
Nov 15, 2007, 11:43 AM
c'mon you morons...just copycat Firefox and give it the Safari look and that will be perfect (i mean...the new Ctrl + Tab to chose the tabs is the same shortcut as firefox...so...just copy the rest)

The kept the shortcut Crtl-{ as well.

compuguy1088
Nov 15, 2007, 11:50 AM
It's only a matter of time before Safari for Windows is bundled with iTunes for Windows.

Doesn't bother me at all since I like to keep my iTunes on various macs, and keep the PCs fun-free, but I know a couple people who will be cursing a blue streak when they update their iTunes and suddenly find they have Safari.

But I'll encourage them to try it out. If they dismiss my opinion as "fanboy" rhetoric (because they're like schoolchildren), then I'll direct them to the Alternative Browser Alliance (http://www.alternativebrowseralliance.com/) for some insight.

http://www.alternativebrowseralliance.com/banners/alt-browser-alliance-b-110x32.gif (http://www.alternativebrowseralliance.com/)

Your img bb code seems not to work....

Orng
Nov 15, 2007, 11:58 AM
Your img bb code seems not to work....

Looks okay to me, maybe you need to upgrade your browser!

morespce54
Nov 15, 2007, 12:52 PM
...It seems to me that the font smoothing is slightly different in 3.0.4- anyone else notice this

Yes but that was specified in the Apple "what's new with this version" text box.


...
New features

Allows windows to be resized from any side
Includes an additional font smoothing option ("standard")
...

ATimson
Nov 15, 2007, 12:57 PM
They probably should've wrapped WebKit in the Windows standard app interface. Would've cut down on a lot of the complaints, I think.
Or it would have made them worse, since they'd be throwing out all the Safari code and starting over.

aarond12
Nov 15, 2007, 01:39 PM
This version of Safari for Windows, like Beta 1, crashes when using a Proxy Server to access the Internet. This means it is completely useless to corporate customers using a Proxy Server.

C'mon Apple. You're better than this.

-Aaron-

Ambercanfly
Nov 15, 2007, 02:26 PM
They should've kept it as a mac app only... the windows version looks gross.:(

psychofreak
Nov 15, 2007, 02:27 PM
They should've kept it as a mac app only... the windows version looks gross.:(

It makes web devs more concerned about supporting Safari which is fantastic, and the iPhone has more web apps because of it...

SeaFox
Nov 15, 2007, 02:43 PM
Standard font smoothing, eh? I guess this means they finally caved and allowed people to let it mangle fonts the Windows way?
You mean like displaying text with ClearType? Damn, I would hate that. I much prefer my fonts be blurrier on screen but match the printed copy better since I have the habit of printing out all the websites I visit. :rolleyes:

What a bunch of asses! There's nothing worse than an IT department that fails to realize they are SUPPORT staff. Networks do not exist for the sake of existence, they exist for the sake of the users!
As the IT support staff, it is their responsibility to see that the network keeps running smoothly for the sake of the business, not the users themselves. It is possible the company has an actual "No Firefox" policy. Firefox does allow one to skirt some banned programs, like you can install IRC programs and download managers and such into it and since they run as plug-ins, corporate policies to prevent those types of programs from running would be less effective.

I'm not arguing that Firefox has any impact on network stability or company security, I'm using Firefox at work right now, the point is it's kinda dumb for someone to get upset over what their employer's IT department does to their employer's computer systems. Unless there's some work-related reason you need to use Firefox, their's no reason you need it. Note: This is very similar to basic security hardening of Linux-based OSes; Disable any service that is not explicitly needed for a task.

nickelcokes
Nov 15, 2007, 05:02 PM
Is that The Joker from Batman?

Oh yeah!

Dustman
Nov 15, 2007, 06:47 PM
Now when will Firefox become useable in OS X?

Camino's the reason why they don't care enough to optimize Firefox for Mac.
I used to use Camino a lot, and still think its a great browser, but recently moved to Safari (vers. 3) when it came out of beta for Tiger.

Dustman
Nov 15, 2007, 06:48 PM
They should've kept it as a mac app only... the windows version looks gross.:(

Looks just as gross as iTunes for Windows.
:apple:

kebuttke
Nov 15, 2007, 07:51 PM
has anyone else noticed any troubles with safari after the 10.4.11 update? mine opens, freezes and shuts down. all other apple apps work fine, just safari is messing up. repaired permissions, verified and repaired disk, even did apple hardware test, just to be thorough, still no go. help, please? i hate firefox, which is what i am stuck with. (luckily i had it on here already)

PCMacUser
Nov 16, 2007, 05:28 AM
has anyone else noticed any troubles with safari after the 10.4.11 update? mine opens, freezes and shuts down. all other apple apps work fine, just safari is messing up. repaired permissions, verified and repaired disk, even did apple hardware test, just to be thorough, still no go. help, please? i hate firefox, which is what i am stuck with. (luckily i had it on here already)

Hmm, not sure what there is to HATE about Firefox... really, there's not much difference between the browsers (except features, but Firefox really has more than Safari, so this can't be the problem).

Stella
Nov 16, 2007, 06:30 AM
has anyone else noticed any troubles with safari after the 10.4.11 update? mine opens, freezes and shuts down. all other apple apps work fine, just safari is messing up. repaired permissions, verified and repaired disk, even did apple hardware test, just to be thorough, still no go. help, please? i hate firefox, which is what i am stuck with. (luckily i had it on here already)

Nope, not here. In fact Safari has never ran so smoothly. Safari 2.x would eat resources and I'd have to restart about every 2 hours or so because the performance would degrade so much.

zokime
Nov 16, 2007, 02:15 PM
Anybody have this same experience, opening safari get this error...

Safari Web Browser has encountered a problem and needs to close. We are sorry for the inconvenience.
AppName: safari.exe AppVer: 3.523.12.9 ModName: webkit.dll
ModVer: 3.523.12.9 Offset: 00003c33

and then the app closes

This happened with the first version of safari on windows and I was hoping this time around it would work.

It's not clear what the problem is.

Reverend Wally
Nov 16, 2007, 07:37 PM
I want my old version of Safari back. The new one is screwing up my life.

Is there anyway to revert to the older version?
:confused:

brepublican
Nov 16, 2007, 07:41 PM
Anybody have this same experience, opening safari get this error...

Safari Web Browser has encountered a problem and needs to close. We are sorry for the inconvenience.
AppName: safari.exe AppVer: 3.523.12.9 ModName: webkit.dll
ModVer: 3.523.12.9 Offset: 00003c33

and then the app closes

This happened with the first version of safari on windows and I was hoping this time around it would work.

It's not clear what the problem is.

Have you tried a reinstall? Sounds like it could be a broken/corrupted installation. Except for taking about a full minute to launch, Safari 3.0.4 is running nice and dandy on my Windows box (XP).

elppa
Nov 16, 2007, 08:07 PM
They probably should've wrapped WebKit in the Windows standard app interface. Would've cut down on a lot of the complaints, I think.

Can you point me out what is this Windows standard interface?

Is this a standard Windows interface (see attached)?

Rodimus Prime
Nov 16, 2007, 09:19 PM
As the IT support staff, it is their responsibility to see that the network keeps running smoothly for the sake of the business, not the users themselves. It is possible the company has an actual "No Firefox" policy. Firefox does allow one to skirt some banned programs, like you can install IRC programs and download managers and such into it and since they run as plug-ins, corporate policies to prevent those types of programs from running would be less effective.

I'm not arguing that Firefox has any impact on network stability or company security, I'm using Firefox at work right now, the point is it's kinda dumb for someone to get upset over what their employer's IT department does to their employer's computer systems. Unless there's some work-related reason you need to use Firefox, their's no reason you need it. Note: This is very similar to basic security hardening of Linux-based OSes; Disable any service that is not explicitly needed for a task.

Being IT is a thankless job. All people do is complain when something goes wrong or when they are not allowed to do certain things but when they spend hours doing like getting a something set up and hours researching possible solutions to a problem or something they are requested to set up all they get is people complaining

Like you said IT job is to the network first. End users come after the network.

Reverend Wally
Nov 17, 2007, 09:00 AM
It is messing up on Macs too.

It shuts down unexpectedly. It won't load a flash page correctly.

Sort of actng like a Windows program.

Come on, Apple. Get your act together. The reason I switched to a Mac was to get away from having to repair my PC every day.

Now I am forced to use Firefox on my Mac because Safari is screwing up.

:mad:

Reverend Wally
Nov 17, 2007, 10:27 PM
Well,

Since I cannot afford the money to buy Leopard, and Safari has been screwed up by the latest upgrade 10.4.11 I am forced to go to a pirate forum and download a copy of Leopard so I can use my Mac and Safari, which I have set up so I can work.

Nice going Apple on an upgrade that messes up Macs.

Are you guys trying to out do MS?

Hunts121
Nov 18, 2007, 07:42 AM
Last time I checked Firefox was usable in OSX, at least it is on the Intel Platform. I've noticed that it is especially slow for PPC, especially for flash.

you aren't kidding, I recently bought a MBP (C2D) to replace my 1.5GHz PowerBook and the difference is night and day. The powerbook's performance couldn't even eclipse that of my old 800MHz PIII that I have kicking around when it came to firefox and flash. It wasn't RAM either as my PB had 2GB of it. I think there something seriously wrong with that. Firefox's flash performance is rather blah on OSX in my opinion, maybe its just me. I must add though it seems much better in Leopard, its still not quite there.

trevorlsciact
Nov 18, 2007, 07:44 AM
Well,

Since I cannot afford the money to buy Leopard, and Safari has been screwed up by the latest upgrade 10.4.11 I am forced to go to a pirate forum and download a copy of Leopard so I can use my Mac and Safari, which I have set up so I can work.

Nice going Apple on an upgrade that messes up Macs.

Are you guys trying to out do MS?

doesn't it just let you do a downgade?

ATimson
Nov 18, 2007, 12:39 PM
doesn't it just let you do a downgade?
I believe (though I could be mistaken) that it would be possible to reinstall 10.4 and then manually download patches through 10.4.10 via the Apple website.

Still, not exactly an easy process.

John Musbach
Nov 18, 2007, 01:18 PM
http://www.macrumors.com/images/macrumorsthreadlogo.gif (http://www.macrumors.com)

Alongside the Mac OS X 10.4.11 updates today, Apple also released a new beta of Safari for Windows as detailed in this tech note (http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=306914).

The latest Safari beta for Windows incorporates a number of stability, performance and security improvements. A number of new features are detailed as well, including:

- Includes an additional font smoothing option ("standard)
- Adds International text input methods
- Adds cookie management
- Adds spell checking and grammar checking
- New keyboard shortcuts

Apple also incorporated Safari 3 with the Mac OS X 10.4.11 update, bringing the final version of Safari 3 to Tiger users. Apple first released (http://www.macrumors.com/2007/06/11/wwdc-safari-for-windows/) Safari for Windows in June at WWDC 2007.

Download link: http://www.apple.com/safari/download/

Article Link (http://www.macrumors.com/2007/11/15/safari-3-0-4-beta-for-windows/)

Neat, I'll be sure to install this on my families windows bootcamp installation. The more browsers to choose besides Internet Explorer the better ;) :D

Bosunsfate
Nov 18, 2007, 01:40 PM
The original beta version couldn't hack it totally at work.

This version is so much faster. And the little tweaks like getting the spell checker to work, etc mean I can truly stop using IE for some of our web applications like Salesforce.com, etc.

I have some co-workers who swore off of IE for Firefox, but I just haven't wanted to get into that space yet.

Bottom line, I think MS might be done with IE.