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MacRumors
Nov 20, 2007, 03:35 PM
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PC Magazine held a survey (http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2704,2211391,00.asp) which ran from August 1 to August 13, 2007. Respondents reported on their experiences with the gadgets, services, and electronics they use, and any support or repair incidents they had within 12 months prior to the survey.

In its first year in the survey, it was clear that iPhone owners were very satisfied:the Apple iPhone scored a stunning 9.1 out of 10 from our readers, beating the ratings that every other phone, from every carrier, in nearly every category, has received in the three years we've been including cell phones. The iPhone's 9.6 scores in music and video playback might have been expected, but its 8.2 for call quality (a score significantly better than average), another 8.2 for coverage, and an 8.0 for earpiece volume show that it's not just the i our readers like. They love the phone, too.

Article Link (http://www.macrumors.com/iphone/2007/11/20/iphone-owners-love-their-iphones/)



zombitronic
Nov 20, 2007, 03:41 PM
I concur.

BornAgainMac
Nov 20, 2007, 03:49 PM
This is true for me. I can't ever go back to regular phones. Those phones were a complete joke including those Blackberries.

danny_w
Nov 20, 2007, 03:49 PM
For the most part I also concur, but think the attempt at merging a phone and an iPod is a dismal failure (at least for me). Phone use and battery life are good as long as the iPod is not in use. However, when the iPod is in use the battery life drops very quickly (5 hrs max, compared to Apple's claim of 24 hrs). There is no way it will last a whole work day. And the gsm noise and incomparability with existing iPod accessories makes it a hard sell for car use. Although the idea of one device to replace 2 was very attractive, I'm now back to 2. If I had it to do all over again I would never get an iPhone, and I won't recommend it for the reasons I described.

pilotkev1
Nov 20, 2007, 03:52 PM
I concur as well.



[Do I feel a second coming similar to the "Safari Seems Snappier" line?]

vanmacguy
Nov 20, 2007, 03:53 PM
I found that my battery life was awful for about the first 3 - 4 weeks. Then after constant use and a couple of full discharges (pass the 10 minute warning and the 5 minute warning to a complete shut down) and complete recharges, I can easily get a full work day out of the iPod in iPhone.

And as far as a phone is concerned, it's the most clear phone I've ever had, bar none.

Great phone, great iPod, great PDA.

Delighted with mine.

Cheers.

benspratling
Nov 20, 2007, 03:54 PM
On the webpage with the review, did anybody else get the new ad with the Mac and PC guy, where the PC guy presses a big red button to try to solve Vista's problems and it doesn't work?

I didn't find it on the apple website.

chuckles:)
Nov 20, 2007, 03:55 PM
i think that there's a new get a mac add on the side of the page, and it really dosn't make any sence. has anyone watched it? what are they talking about?
(pc is holing a button, then he presses it, and it dosnt seem to do anything)

KD7IWP
Nov 20, 2007, 03:57 PM
sweet.

cloudnine
Nov 20, 2007, 03:57 PM
I found that my battery life was awful for about the first 3 - 4 weeks. Then after constant use and a couple of full discharges (pass the 10 minute warning and the 5 minute warning to a complete shut down) and complete recharges, I can easily get a full work day out of the iPod in iPhone.

Funny, I did the same thing and I have amazing battery life now... I don't even have to fully charge/discharge anymore. I can surf the web on Edge (which was a huge battery drainer in the beginning), listen to music, make a bunch of phonecalls and text message throughout the day and I still have about half my battery life left.

I think I'll give up cellphones completely if for any reason I had to use something other than an iPhone... it would be way too painful :P

Clancycoop
Nov 20, 2007, 03:59 PM
I have found that anyone who doesn't like the iPhone, probably doesn't have one. In response to the complaints about GSM noise with car accesories etc, I would just say that you are expecting a little too much. Apple has not marketed the iPhone to be used in the car. In fact, they haven't really done that with the iPod either, it has been other companies producing car adapters etc.

I use a 5thGen iPod in my car that stays permanently in the secret compartment of my MINI, using a BMW built in iPod interface. I would suggest just keeping your iPod in the car, and using your iPhone everywhere else. If you still run out of battery, keep an extra charger at your desk. Unless you are constantly walking around outside, you can stand to plug it in besides at night.

I would say that the iPhone has more than lived up to it's hype. I could never go back to another phone. I love the touch keypad, Safari browser, etc. Of course I would like 3G, GPS, etc, but those aren't reasonable with current batterylife to size ratio. I don't want a brick in my pocket, so I will deal with it for now.

vanmacguy
Nov 20, 2007, 04:00 PM
Funny, I did the same thing and I have amazing battery life now... I don't even have to fully charge/discharge anymore. I can surf the web on Edge (which was a huge battery drainer in the beginning), listen to music, make a bunch of phonecalls and text message throughout the day and I still have about half my battery life left.

I think I'll give up cellphones completely if for any reason I had to use something other than an iPhone... it would be way too painful :P

I read a post from someone else on here before I got mine where he said the same thing. Dubious battery life for 3 - 4 weeks and then bingo. Mine is truly great and I agree with you, if I had to use another mobile I don't think I'd bother.

Now if I can just get one that has a data plan that I can afford (I'm in Canada), I'm set.

MacTheSpoon
Nov 20, 2007, 04:00 PM
Yeah, count me in among those who have no desire to ever give up their iPhone. I can't imagine using anything else. And just wait until the 3d party SDK is released; I'm so excited!

chuckles:)
Nov 20, 2007, 04:02 PM
Has anyone looked at the add yet- i swear its new, it isn't on the apple site or anything.

and upon further inspection, it looks like the weird frame they have it in is probably cutting off our view of whatever pc is controlling. any ideas?

Small White Car
Nov 20, 2007, 04:02 PM
i think that there's a new get a mac add on the side of the page, and it really dosn't make any sence. has anyone watched it? what are they talking about?
(pc is holing a button, then he presses it, and it dosnt seem to do anything)

lol - You have to look up where they're looking! The button changes the banner ad on top of the article. Both ads are synced to each other. It's really quite clever.

Has anyone looked at the add yet- i swear its new, it isn't on the apple site or anything.

I doubt you will. I've never seen them put web ads for themselves anywhere on their own page.

chadrob30
Nov 20, 2007, 04:03 PM
http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=390255 :)

Telp
Nov 20, 2007, 04:05 PM
OVerall a little surprised, but very happy about mine, and im glad that people like theres too. After all the complaining I hear in these forums, its good most people like theres.

ntrigue
Nov 20, 2007, 04:07 PM
I advocate iPhone use.

chuckles:)
Nov 20, 2007, 04:09 PM
lol - You have to look up where they're looking! The button changes the banner ad on top of the article. Both ads are synced to each other. It's really quite clever.



I doubt you will. I've never seen them put web ads for themselves anywhere on their own page.

True. i didn't look up there...

and i geuss its not in the tv ads section because it will only work on webpages like this one.

danny_w
Nov 20, 2007, 04:12 PM
I...I would just say that you are expecting a little too much. Apple has not marketed the iPhone to be used in the car. In fact, they haven't really done that with the iPod either, it has been other companies producing car adapters etc...
Perhaps they don't market the iPhone to be used in the car, but they DO market it as "the best iPod ever". And one of the primary uses of my iPod (and I suspect many others) is in the car. The gsm noise, lack of compatibility with accessories (not only car accessories), and lack of a click wheel/quick song changing makes this definitely NOT "the best iPod ever". Like you said, I guess I was expecting too much (and believed the hype too much).

plumbingandtech
Nov 20, 2007, 04:16 PM
http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=390255 :)

A MUCH BETTER thread IMO. ;)

Mine had GodZilla in the title even!!!

(ok i did a typo and it came out GoZilla but...)

gr8tfly
Nov 20, 2007, 04:18 PM
Good to see this report. I also concur. There are still a few bugs that crop up from time to time, but they are minor compared to the overall usage. Voice quality is MUCH better than my RAZR (though, that might not be the greatest comparison).

And the gsm noise and incomparability with existing iPod accessories makes it a hard sell for car use.

i have zero GSM noise in my BMW install, using a NEO dock adapter. It's not just a problem with the iPhone - if the device/installation is susceptible to GSM noise, it'll do it with any GSM phone.

jimedit1
Nov 20, 2007, 04:21 PM
I bought an iphone in July. If I had been surveyed one month after my purchase I would have praised its attributes as well.

However... Several months, and a $200 price drop later... BASIC features that any low-end phone (MMS) would have, and features that any other PDA (Copy and paste) would have, and accessories an ipod (car adaptor) would have... have failed to materialize. Instead apple continues to aggressively market this product world wide while ignoring these blatantly basic missing features.

Im frustrated.

The device is a wonder of technological fluidity... true. But if I had known then what I know now. I would have waited.

cjmal
Nov 20, 2007, 04:36 PM
This is true for me. I can't ever go back to regular phones. Those phones were a complete joke including those Blackberries.

I actually returned mine because after going through 5 bad phones, it was just too much BS, but I agree, I will never look at a cell phone the same ever again. I got so used to the interface and touch screen. It's gonna take a while to get used to a cell phone with a key pad again.

danny_w
Nov 20, 2007, 04:38 PM
i have zero GSM noise in my BMW install, using a NEO dock adapter. It's not just a problem with the iPhone - if the device/installation is susceptible to GSM noise, it'll do it with any GSM phone.
I'm glad for you. However, a new car is not an option for most of us, and to my knowledge none of the after-market adapter manufacturers have yet come out with an adapter that is designed to work with the iPhone. You may get lucky as you did, but how am I supposed to know what works and what doesn't work? There are threads on this forum, on Apple's forum, on the iLounge forum, and elsewhere, all discussing this. Unfortunately there is still very little concrete information available.

THE JUICEMAN
Nov 20, 2007, 04:53 PM
I concur.

i second that......:)

ntrigue
Nov 20, 2007, 04:57 PM
However... Several months, and a $200 price drop later... BASIC features that any low-end phone (MMS) would have, and features that any other PDA (Copy and paste) would have, and accessories an ipod (car adaptor) would have... have failed to materialize. Instead apple continues to aggressively market this product world wide while ignoring these blatantly basic missing features.


The iPhone has a gorgeous display, it has been a tremendous hit on vacations to view all the photos from that day in clear resolution (see also pinching, rotation). Explain why I want a RAZR quality MMS from a friend that may utilize 40% of my widescreen?

Apple redefined the 'interface' of a mobile phone. Why would you ask they have the ordinary available. Cut and paste functionality was poorly conceived on every smart phone I've owned.

The iPhone is a GSM device. It works with my tape deck and FM adapter; the latter however is susceptible to GSM interference every 5 minutes. Thank you Apple for appreciating the limits of the best iPod ever, rather than capitalizing on poor accessories!

ortuno2k
Nov 20, 2007, 05:27 PM
At first I was one of those who relentlessly talk @#$(&! about the iPhone, but shortly after its release I found myself looking and looking at them.
I ended up buying and using one - and LOVING it! Of course, there are a few quirks here and there, but Apple has done well to address them, and keep improving it.
I concur!

dante@sisna.com
Nov 20, 2007, 05:38 PM
iPhone is fantastic. I love mine.

It is a true productivity tool.

Older Blackberries and Treos cannot compare day to day.

spazzcat
Nov 20, 2007, 06:47 PM
This is true for me. I can't ever go back to regular phones. Those phones were a complete joke including those Blackberries.

+1 I can never use another phone.

chr1s60
Nov 20, 2007, 06:52 PM
The iPhone does fall short in a few areas, that is for sure, but it is still a great phone. Is it worthy of a 9.1 out of 10? Probably not. I actually took this survey and since taking it I would probably drop a few things a little. I think the iPhone deserves something like an 8.5/10. Lack of a few features that I now would like to have such as MMS would drop my score down. I did not mind not having this at first, but as my friends continue to send me media messages, going to viewmymessage.com is getting old. I also continue to not like the phone volume and even though some Safari crashing is to be expected, it still seems to happen too often.

That said, with the addition of only a few new features and fixes I think the iPhone could easily come back with an average rating of over a 9.5 and possibly very close to a 10. And for comparison purposes, I would have rated my old razr somewhere around a 5.

Dagless
Nov 20, 2007, 08:36 PM
I've only ever used the iPod Touch and I want an iPhone :o I'm big on touch screen interfaces. soon as I get one of those babies I won't be going back! Hope they make land line versions :) a DECT iPhone would be hot.

segfaultdotorg
Nov 20, 2007, 08:42 PM
"In its first year in the survey, it was clear that iPhone owners were very satisfied..."

Loves it!

carcassone
Nov 20, 2007, 09:33 PM
The iPhone is pretty.

Need we say more?

valdore
Nov 20, 2007, 09:37 PM
I had a dream last night that I got an iPhone. Odd, since I have no intent to get one anytime soon. :o

DMann
Nov 20, 2007, 09:50 PM
I concur as well.



[Do I feel a second coming similar to the "Safari Seems Snappier" line?]

I concur also. 1.1.1 for now, and snappier overall (even with AppSnap installed)

DMann
Nov 20, 2007, 09:51 PM
+1 I can never use another phone.

Spoiled for life

currentinterest
Nov 20, 2007, 10:07 PM
I used Treos for years. I did not fully appreciate what a miserable phone it was until I got an iPhone. There is simply nothing else like it. I have never had a problem, battery life is great, and every day I marvel at its industrial design.

pinksatin
Nov 20, 2007, 10:54 PM
I cannot believe how perfect apple was at executing this product... even the things its missing don't matter... because the things it has are so amazing and useful, I don't care about having any other features...

After almost 5 months... have there even been any substantial issues with the iphone?

yayaba
Nov 21, 2007, 02:36 AM
I used Treos for years. I did not fully appreciate what a miserable phone it was until I got an iPhone. There is simply nothing else like it. I have never had a problem, battery life is great, and every day I marvel at its industrial design.

About the industrial design... seriously, I agree. I'm not one to fawn over electronics but damn, when I actually stop to look at my iPhone (which I've had since July), it still amazes me how good the damn thing looks. They really did a killer job on the aesthetics.

askthedust
Nov 21, 2007, 12:09 PM
had a trusty treo 650 and 5th gen video sold both to buy iphone after price drop. I have zero interest in any other phone after using my iphone for 2 months. they listened to the zune users about buying direct which i love itunes wifi. my one solid complaint echoed by many other people here is the headphone jack. Have several kinds of phones and have to use stupid belkin adapter with them. Does belkin really need my 10 bucks that badly?

danny_w
Nov 21, 2007, 12:11 PM
had a trusty treo 650 and 5th gen video sold both to buy iphone after price drop. I have zero interest in any other phone after using my iphone for 2 months. they listened to the zune users about buying direct which i love itunes wifi. my one solid complaint echoed by many other people here is the headphone jack. Have several kinds of phones and have to use stupid belkin adapter with them. Does belkin really need my 10 bucks that badly?
I got an adapter from eBay that is much better than the stiff belkin unit. It is just a short cable extension with the proper size plug on it.

MacInTO
Nov 21, 2007, 12:19 PM
iPhone is fantastic. I love mine.

It is a true productivity tool.

Older Blackberries and Treos cannot compare day to day.
I too thought the iPhone was fantastic - and very cool. IMHO, it is definitely better than the BB but not better than the Palm Treo.

I found that my Palm Treo (650) had more functionality for the things that I use it for most including:

Opening/Editing/Creating MS Office documents (with Docs To Go);
SMS Text was better on Treo (I can text multiple people, forward messages, save sender to address book)
Calendar feature was easier to use on Treo (IMHO); I like the colour coding on the Treo.
I also like being able to use SD cards in my Treo.

I sold my iPhone after two weeks. I'm confident it will get better; I'll get another one when it does.

Popeye206
Nov 21, 2007, 03:14 PM
I got my iPhone in August and LOVE it! It's a great phone and PDA... one of the best I've ever had. I agree with one of the other comments... anyone who bashes the iPhone does not have one or can't afford one. Like my brother in-law who tried to convince people at a family gathering that the iPhone was horrible... everyone hates them and business people won't use them. He even cited that the Web Browsing was sub-standard! I was in tears with laughter by the time he was done. Just so happened that someone else at the party had a Blackberry and we compared browsers/phones... the Backberry owner went off wanting an iPhone and my brother in-law... he just sort of left the conversation. Odd??? :-)

I can't wait for custom applications!!! Then we'll be rock'n!

maestro55
Nov 22, 2007, 04:21 PM
Well those who are going to put down the money for the iPhone better love it. I know I have read some reports of people going back to their old smartphones after getting the iPhone but for the most part the majority of people I have talked to who have gotten the iPhone love it, then again most of those people love just about anything that Apple puts out :)

Xtgirl
Nov 22, 2007, 06:35 PM
One thing that I now take for granted is the ability to see the screen in the DAYLIGHT....I could never see anything on my old cell phones...

The only thing that would get me to switch is an iPhone on Verizon... reception is my only complaint and that isn't Apple's problem.

Love mine!

terraforce
Jan 19, 2008, 03:44 PM
I recon my iPhone is fantastic.

I recently finished converting some music video's into MP4 "widescreen" using
Xilisoft's iPhone Video Converter, and the iphone plays them brilliantly.

The only downside to owning an iPhone from a personal point of view, is that when I have shown it to some people at work, they quickly pull out their own mobiles and show me a video on their tiny "give me a magnifying glass to see" screens. One guy, after a few seconds of seeing my iPhone, pulled out his Motorola and started telling me how great it is.

I must say: I'm having a hell of a great time with people like that.

It's only the first generation iPhone, and just have a "look & feel" at how brilliant it really is, if you have one that is, but if you don't ever desire to own one, then you can just continue to rubbish the hell out of it through your own ignorance :D: apple:

billylampley
Jan 19, 2008, 06:19 PM
no other phone for me! :D