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MacRumors
Dec 2, 2007, 03:59 PM
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Micromat has a utility called Syphone (http://www.micromat.com/index.php?option=content&task=view&id=190) which is a freeware Mac application that lets you view, save and backup your SMS messages.

The iPhone has a limit on the number of SMS messages it can store at one time. If this limit is exceeded, existing conversations must be deleted in order to make room for new messages. Syphone allows you to view and/or save any of these conversations, including deleted messages.

A beta is presently available for download. Requires Mac OS X 10.4 or greater

Article Link (http://www.macrumors.com/iphone/2007/12/02/iphone-sms-management-utility-syphone-beta/)



darwen
Dec 2, 2007, 04:37 PM
It is funny that this just got posted because I was looking for a way to save text messages yesterday and found this.

One thing I dont understand is if I need to be selecting and exporting them to ensure they are saved. Or are they just working off the backups? Is it already saved?

foobarbaz
Dec 2, 2007, 04:39 PM
So, how many messages will the phone hold before I have to delete?

Ninja Dom
Dec 2, 2007, 05:08 PM
So, how many messages will the phone hold before I have to delete?

The iPhone can hold 1000 individual text messages.

Templex
Dec 2, 2007, 05:09 PM
I believe the (artificial) limit is 1000. This is still much better than my old RAZR V3i, which only held ~125 messages at a time, even less if the messages were long. :mad:

TheSpecialist
Dec 2, 2007, 05:15 PM
Why can't it be more then 1000 messages? My Sony Ericsson K800i can hold 1000 too, why so little? I have more then 2GB of space in it. Why can't it be stored there. And even the iPhone, it runs OSX!! 1000 is way to low, I can send 1000 SMS messages via Vodafone for 10eu a month. And every month I have to clean my inbox, which is reallyyyyyy annoying. I hope when I get an iPhone this is improved.!!!!

RichP
Dec 2, 2007, 05:16 PM
I believe the (artificial) limit is 1000. This is still much better than my old RAZR V3i, which only held ~125 messages at a time, even less if the messages were long. :mad:

Just for nerd-dom... a max SMS message is 256 bytes or less, which means the iphone could hold well over 33.5 million messages. Thats a text message a second for 388 years.

Hope you like that touch keyboard!

TheSpecialist
Dec 2, 2007, 05:25 PM
Just for nerd-dom... a max SMS message is 256 bytes or less, which means the iphone could hold well over 33.5 million messages. Thats a text message a second for 388 years.

Hope you like that touch keyboard!

Exactly, maybe there's some limit in the memory. When my Sony has alot of messages it slows down with the scrolling and opening and back. Maybe that's the reason.

hessian1
Dec 2, 2007, 06:23 PM
yes there is a maximum limit... I have hit it and had to delete messages (and i wasn't out of space on my iphone)... Also this program doesn't seem to work with an hacked iphone because I can't get mine to recognize.

cloudnine
Dec 2, 2007, 06:25 PM
yes there is a maximum limit... I have hit it and had to delete messages (and i wasn't out of space on my iphone)... Also this program doesn't seem to work with an hacked iphone because I can't get mine to recognize.

Well, my iphone isn't hacked in any way, shape or form and it doesn't recognize it, either. Very strange...

Templex
Dec 2, 2007, 07:03 PM
It's quite odd why Apple chose to limit the amount of text messages you could hold to 1000... I'd be content with 2000 or so, even more if the limit was 5000.

Project
Dec 2, 2007, 07:17 PM
Its because the texts are not stored on the flash drive. They are on a separate partition which is quite small and contains the critical phone stuff.

Karpfish
Dec 2, 2007, 07:45 PM
My Blackberry has no limit on messages, its great. Just one reason to skip the iPhone :D

iVoid
Dec 2, 2007, 08:01 PM
Its because the texts are not stored on the flash drive. They are on a separate partition which is quite small and contains the critical phone stuff.

On the SIM card, perhaps?

MarkW19
Dec 2, 2007, 08:14 PM
Whats interesting is that screenshot shows EVERY message with its own timestamp, so the iPhone obviously logs this. Maybe its only a matter of time before someone figures out how to hack the iPhone to show every timestamp, if you wanted to. Ive certainly seen it complained about before!

Cleverboy
Dec 2, 2007, 08:48 PM
Boy, I sure can't wait for February. Aw, yeah... gonna be crazy cool.
'Til then, I'm always skeptical about how much Apple will mess with.
The whole Notes/SQLite thing still irks me. It's like its so close to
being easily manipulated, but just non-standard enough to give one pause.

~ CB

ortuno2k
Dec 2, 2007, 10:01 PM
I don't know why anyone would want to hold more than 1k messages...as if they were all meant to be kept.
Good finding though.

darwen
Dec 2, 2007, 10:46 PM
I don't know why anyone would want to hold more than 1k messages...as if they were all meant to be kept.
Good finding though.

When it threads the messages.... you cant delete specific ones. Messages you want to delete pile on top of ones you want to keep. You cant delete one w/o deleting all of them.

Templex
Dec 3, 2007, 01:31 AM
On the SIM card, perhaps?

If the messages were stored on the SIM card, you would only be able to hold around 30. Trust me, I know from experiences with my V3i.

Yuppi
Dec 3, 2007, 02:21 AM
Not every sim card has the same (small) amount of messages. They noticed that people have the need for a bigger storage. So it is possible to have storage for that amount of messages in the sim card.
Btw. that could also be an explanation of the problems caused with foreign sim cards in legally unlocked phones.

badtz
Dec 3, 2007, 06:06 AM
yes there is a maximum limit... I have hit it and had to delete messages (and i wasn't out of space on my iphone)... Also this program doesn't seem to work with an hacked iphone because I can't get mine to recognize.


It should definitely work, the program grabs the information from the iTunes SQLite DB backup .... after every time you sync it with your computer ...

Steve Jobs=God
Dec 3, 2007, 06:15 AM
Looks like a good piece of software, though i can't even get the disk image to mount :(

TeddyBlack
Dec 3, 2007, 06:47 AM
For all of those who are saying they can't get syphone to recognise their iphone, I just had the same problem myself. Had a look around a bit on different forum sites, and found this solution.

1. sync iphone through itunes
2. eject iphone through itunes
3. launch syphone
4. In preferences, UNtick the run helper apps button, then tick it back on.

Step 4 caused my version of syphone to crash, but relaunched it, and then it worked fine. Try it and you should'nt have any problmems.

Enjoy!

dr_lha
Dec 3, 2007, 11:16 AM
Looks like a good piece of software, though i can't even get the disk image to mount :(
Yeah, I'm having the same problem. The archive seems to be corrupt. Why use bzip2 to compress a DMG files anyway, when DMGs have built in compression?

HailToTheVictor
Dec 3, 2007, 12:47 PM
wow, 1000, I thought it was a lot less. I have had to clear my inbox about six times, I text way too much.

joshysquashy
Dec 3, 2007, 12:49 PM
On the SIM card, perhaps?

I don't think so. They are stored in the same place as system files and applications. Anyone who has hacked an iPhone knows that it can soon fill up with Apps etc.

I would rather it was stored in the Media folder where Photos, Music etc are stored. It would make more sense as it is user data and not system data. It could also show the space taken up by SMS's on the iTunes space bar.

mpw
Dec 3, 2007, 01:22 PM
It's quite odd why Apple chose to limit the amount of text messages you could hold to 1000... I'd be content with 2000 or so, even more if the limit was 5000.
Wow, 1000 seems like very few. Is that 1000 messages or 1000 single part messages? Can the iPhone even send multi-part SMS? In all the screen shots I've seen the messages are simple one line texts.

My Nokia has over 4,000 messages saved on it, many are 10+ parts.

hessian1
Dec 3, 2007, 01:49 PM
When it threads the messages.... you cant delete specific ones. Messages you want to delete pile on top of ones you want to keep. You cant delete one w/o deleting all of them.

Thats why you get it hacked so you can delete individual ones :D

Mydel
Dec 3, 2007, 11:23 PM
Well I think it varies between the phones. On my Nokia you could hold 120 messages on the SIM and as much as you want on the extra memory card. But I dont know if it was more than 1000 cos never hit that number. I usually delete unwanted messages on the go

crackermac
Dec 4, 2007, 08:21 AM
What the heck are you guys doing that you have that many text messages and so important you want to save them? Wouldn't it just be quicker and faster to call someone or email if it's important or long winded? Most of my text message go something like:

me: lunch noon?
friend: sure where
me: idk mexican chinese bbq italian?
friend: bbq
me: see you there

I'm just curious I hate typing that much :)

mpw
Dec 4, 2007, 10:28 AM
...Wouldn't it just be quicker and faster to call someone or email if it's important or long winded?... ...I'm just curious I hate typing that much :)
Well calling could be quicker, but you gotta catch the person and there's no easy record. I'd hate to record all conversations and then try to find specific agreements, also there's an issue of whether you should be telling the person they're being recorded.

Text or emails are obviously recorded and they get them whether they're in a meeting or whatever at the time.

Text or email both need typing and you can't email to somebody who you only have a mobile number.

autumnsong
Dec 4, 2007, 11:27 AM
I've tried syncing and unsyncing, checking and unchecking the run helper box, and even reinstalled the program, but it still can't see my phone. I had no problem with the disk image, and it didn't crash when I unchecked the helper box. Any suggestions? I'd really love to be able to use this.
It does act like it's downloading the messages, but says no phone found and the messages don't show up. If I click import, it will say it's doing it, but nothing actually happens.

I just checked the console log, and it says that it downloaded 73 messages, but has the following error message: unable to execute fetch request. The file "syphone.db" cound not be opened because it is not in the right format. What did I do wrong???

Trigger2007
Dec 4, 2007, 11:31 AM
Just to let you guys know, Micromat are saying theres an issue with the latest version of itunes, and syphone. At the moment they have no resolve for it!:(

crackermac
Dec 4, 2007, 11:35 AM
...there's no easy record. I'd hate to record all conversations and then try to find specific agreements, also there's an issue of whether you should be telling the person they're being recorded.

What are you talking about that needs to be recorded?

"I told you 10 kilos, not 80. What am I supposed to do with that much crack? I wish you'd check your text messages once in a while."

:)

severe
Dec 4, 2007, 05:48 PM
"I told you 10 kilos, not 80. What am I supposed to do with that much crack? I wish you'd check your text messages once in a while."

Ha!

ibook30
Dec 4, 2007, 10:46 PM
For all of those who are saying they can't get syphone to recognise their iphone, I just had the same problem myself. Had a look around a bit on different forum sites, and found this solution.

1. sync iphone through itunes
2. eject iphone through itunes
3. launch syphone
4. In preferences, UNtick the run helper apps button, then tick it back on.

Step 4 caused my version of syphone to crash, but relaunched it, and then it worked fine. Try it and you should'nt have any problmems.

Enjoy!


Very helpful post !
I had to fiddle with it 2 or 3 times - but with this advice I got it to work!

Almost 700 texts with one person in 2 months, had to keep them and had to delete them, problem solved! Now I can go on with my life, not having to remember what was written, because I have a back up file. And that works way better than the slippery and unreliable force of memory.

Thanks again TeddyBlack!

autumnsong
Dec 11, 2007, 06:53 PM
They must have figured out the problem with iTunes. I just opened Syphone to try to fiddle with it again and when I opened it all my messages were there! It was unable to find my phone before, even after doing all the tricks posted. So if you were unable to get it to work before, I would try it again. This is great! :D

shazzzza
Mar 12, 2008, 05:24 AM
Check out TeddyBlack he has the answer. And i thank you

lindsaykaye04
Mar 21, 2008, 01:09 AM
great software! :) i like to record messages for fun. as a writer, i can often get ideas from old conversations, and looking back on texts can actually help. sounds silly, but it does.

plus, who hasn't ever sent an *inappropriate* text message....? i obviously don't want to leave those on my phone for everybody to see, but they are so fun to read back on...

arkmannj
Sep 12, 2008, 07:53 PM
Is Syphone not working for anyone else that updated to iPhone 2.1 ?

autumnsong
Sep 13, 2008, 01:24 PM
Mine doesn't seem to be working either. I guess they need a couple of dates to update their software.

AlphaAnt
Sep 16, 2008, 04:33 PM
Awww. Am I the only one that read the subject and thought that someone had come up with a program to manage Microsoft's System Management Server (SMS)? Finding out it was only for SMS messages was a serious disappointment.

Shao
Sep 17, 2008, 05:41 PM
I got it to work, but it doesnt have a function to backup all SMS? You have to save each thread individually?

1000 msgs is ****.. I havent reached it, but it will be ultra annoying when i do. I have had 3000 msgs on my Nokia 6500 classic without a problem and it was loading fine..

I do however like it how the voicemail notification messages overwrite each other, so i only ever have one msg from voicemail not 400.

Shao
Sep 17, 2008, 05:48 PM
Thats why you get it hacked so you can delete individual ones :D

how do you delete individual msgs? SSH?

DH333
May 15, 2009, 08:43 PM
Apparently the 1,000 limit has been increased to 75,000

here are the sources:

http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-19512_7-10115303-233.html

http://valleywag.gawker.com/346238/texters-rejoice-iphone-can-store-more-text-messages

neil1980
May 17, 2009, 12:56 PM
Well my first phone way back never used to be able to send SMS messages... but I remember the limit for storing received messages was 10!

Saying that my last 4 or 5 have had pretty much unlimited capacity for SMS/MMS messages (all have been windows mobile)

pedroistheman
May 18, 2009, 12:03 AM
It's quite odd why Apple chose to limit the amount of text messages you could hold to 1000... I'd be content with 2000 or so, even more if the limit was 5000.

Not even, I know for a fact that my iPhone has over 7,000 saved text messages

mickiwilliams
Apr 15, 2011, 03:37 PM
For all of those who are saying they can't get syphone to recognise their iphone, I just had the same problem myself. Had a look around a bit on different forum sites, and found this solution.

1. sync iphone through itunes
2. eject iphone through itunes
3. launch syphone
4. In preferences, UNtick the run helper apps button, then tick it back on.

Step 4 caused my version of syphone to crash, but relaunched it, and then it worked fine. Try it and you should'nt have any problmems.

Enjoy!


_____
So I did this, and syphone did crash, so I relaunched it. But it's still not finding my iphone/messages. I'm not really sure what to do. I've done it many times.. I want to backup all my messages before updating my phone's software incase they get deleted.