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MacRumors
Dec 9, 2007, 01:18 PM
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Though mostly speculative, Timesonline.co.uk (http://technology.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/tech_and_web/personal_tech/article3019090.ece) profiles Apple's Vice-President of Industrial Design, Jonathan Ive, as a possible successor CEO to Steve Jobs.

The author suggests that there has been some call for a plan for 'Apple after Steve Jobs', who is currently 52 years old. Jonathan Ive might be the man to take that place. Ive and Jobs are said to share a similar perfectionist attitude and are in close contact on a daily basis.
“I think Steve Jobs has found somebody in Jony who knows how to complete or even exceed his vision, and do it time and time again,” said Chee Pearlman, who hosted the event at which Mr Ive spoke four years ago.
Of course, some doubt that Ive has the charisma to replace Jobs as CEO, in what has been a very public role.

The question of Steve Jobs successor has been raised before, with one suggestion (http://www.macrumors.com/2007/02/05/google-ceo-eric-schmidt-as-temporary-steve-jobs-replacement/) that Google's CEO Eric Schmidt might have taken a temporary role as Apple CEO back during the option-backdating scandal.



Article Link (http://www.macrumors.com/2007/12/09/jonathan-ive-in-line-to-succeed-steve-jobs/)



Blue Velvet
Dec 9, 2007, 01:20 PM
I would choose competence over charisma any day.

Willis
Dec 9, 2007, 01:23 PM
Seeing as Ive has come out with most of recent Apple products, you can start to understand why. However, if Ive wasnt guiding the designs, who would take his place?!

Eric Lewis
Dec 9, 2007, 01:24 PM
Id be a good CEO!

viniciusc
Dec 9, 2007, 01:26 PM
That sounds good, Jon seems to be a very competent and visionist person.

InkMaster
Dec 9, 2007, 01:26 PM
Seeing as Ive has come out with most of recent Apple products, you can start to understand why. However, if Ive wasnt guiding the designs, who would take his place?!

Why me of course, is there any other logical choice?

flopticalcube
Dec 9, 2007, 01:26 PM
I would choose competence over charisma any day.
Unfortunately both are required to lead a successful company these days. Some people can hide incompetence but charisma is easy to spot and impossible to fake so we end up with CEO's that look competent and charismatic but are truly incompetent. Jobs was a rare duck indeed.

valdore
Dec 9, 2007, 01:26 PM
They'd better get the right person or our stock will plummet the second Jobs slips on the lane at a bowling alley.

OwlsAndApples
Dec 9, 2007, 01:28 PM
Ive is a genius, but he's not a showman like Jobs.
Anyway...he'd still be my first choice.

MacsRgr8
Dec 9, 2007, 01:30 PM
Well, he has been my choice for a some years now.
It *seems* he has the vision, perseverance, charisma close to that of Mr. Jobs.

But.... but.... there is no 2nd Steve. Once the day comes that Steve announces his retirement, Apple shares would fall faster than a free fall.
I only hope that in the long term it wouldn't matter so much.

The biggest stuff has been done:
- Mac OS X
- Intel
- iPod
- iPhone
- iTMS

Keep up this good work for another 5 years, and I assume Steve's huge influence can start to relax...

SciTeach
Dec 9, 2007, 01:34 PM
They'd better get the right person or our stock will plummet the second Jobs slips on the lane at a bowling alley.

It will anyway when Steve leaves. Look at any major corporation that had a well-known CEO/leader and he they left, the stock falls.

As for charisma vs. competence: I'll choose competence. Get the 'Mac' guy to do MWSF each year for the charisma.:rolleyes:

bdkennedy1
Dec 9, 2007, 01:35 PM
Jonathan Ive is a wonderful designer, but hardly the one to replace Steve. Jonathan stays away from publicity and didn't even like the publicity he received for designing the iPod.

Someone that doesn't want to be in the public eye cannot CEO a company.

Much Ado
Dec 9, 2007, 01:36 PM
Jobs is overseeing the rise of OSX, the takeover of iPhone and the progression of Apple into a new era.

He's going nowhere.

daneoni
Dec 9, 2007, 01:36 PM
Hmmm maybe with training. He doesn't seem to have enough 'jerk' and 'greed' in him. His reality distortive keynote skills may also be lacking.

basesloaded190
Dec 9, 2007, 01:38 PM
life without steve in charge of apple?? i can't imagine!!?? nor do i want to, at least for now

MacinDoc
Dec 9, 2007, 01:43 PM
Apple isn't just about the products, it's about bringing ideas of how computers and similar devices should work to the people, in a world dominated by the opposition. If Apple does not have a charismatic leader, it will flounder. Just look at its history after SJ left the first time.

Of course, it could be argued that some of Apple's leaders in that era were neither charismatic nor competent.

fistful
Dec 9, 2007, 01:46 PM
I remember seeing a video of Ive talking about industrial design (I think about the G4 iMac) he may not have the charisma of Jobs but he seemed quite passionate and personable. I think he'd make a competent replacement, although by the time jobs steps down Ive may be too old to take the helm.

dpalmes1
Dec 9, 2007, 01:48 PM
Steve Jobs will die?! :eek:

bommai
Dec 9, 2007, 01:49 PM
When Steve was gone for a month during cancer treatment, Tim Cook took over. He has been second in command for a while now and I think he is the most likely candidate.

MLeepson
Dec 9, 2007, 01:49 PM
Ive would be no doubt a good choice, but I don't think the best choice. I think the best choice is someone we won't expect.

Ive is not a trained or schooled in programming or marketing. He's an artist.

Phil Schiller wouldn't be bad.

darwen
Dec 9, 2007, 01:51 PM
I would choose competence over charisma any day.

I disagree with this. I think both are importiant and I think Ives has both. I think the head of apple needs to be incrediably down to earth. The head of a company needs to be competent but I don't think Ives would be where he is without competence.

InkMaster
Dec 9, 2007, 01:51 PM
Steve Jobs will die?! :eek:

hahahaha! yeah right! :D

n00basaur
Dec 9, 2007, 01:51 PM
Pick me! Pick me!

jonnyb
Dec 9, 2007, 01:54 PM
Arrgh - please correct that misspelling of Jonathan early in the story!

Thanks,

Jonathan

HTrig
Dec 9, 2007, 01:56 PM
hes definitely not steve jobs but this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bOONhFutsrg) interview does show that he at least wont totally collapse if interviewed

Eriamjh1138@DAN
Dec 9, 2007, 01:58 PM
Apple needs to grow beyond Jobs to be successful without him. It would be a shame if they faltered once Steve was unable to fulfill his duties as genius at the helm.

AndyMulhearn
Dec 9, 2007, 02:01 PM
life without steve in charge of apple?? i can't imagine!!?? nor do i want to, at least for now

I believe it happened a while back. If it's true, let's hope Ive is better at the job than Scully

Blue Velvet
Dec 9, 2007, 02:01 PM
... I don't think Ives would be where he is without competence.


Leading an industrial design team is nothing like being a CEO. I'm sure Enron had some charismatic people onboard... Some people are wise enough to know what they're good at.

Anyway, this prospect is at least 5-10 years away unless Steve Jobs takes on a different role that's not so hands-on. Yeah, likely. ;)

IJ Reilly
Dec 9, 2007, 02:03 PM
Whether is Ive is a likely successor or not, it's comforting to believe that Apple's board is considering a plan for the post-Steve era. I often wonder if Steve has the ability tamp his ego down enough to think seriously about grooming a worthy successor. This plan needs to be in place. I mean, look what happened at Microsoft. A scary thought, isn't it. :eek:

clevin
Dec 9, 2007, 02:04 PM
"in line"? are we talking about royal throne of Great Britain?

Mac OS X Ocelot
Dec 9, 2007, 02:05 PM
None of this matters. Jobs has a good 100 years left in him. That's based on my assumption that he'd want at least 100 years to enjoy his retirement. If not, then he may be around even longer :cool:

Shades of Blue
Dec 9, 2007, 02:07 PM
Steve Jobs is the REASON that made me LOVE Apple & its products. :)

I love this man very very much, and my feelings towards him are sincere.

I never cared about celebrities, but If I have the chance to meet a celebrity, I would choose my hero Mr. Jobs.

Apple without Steve, is like a planet with no water.

It would really sadden me to see him retire and leave the industry, and I hope that day never comes.

flopticalcube
Dec 9, 2007, 02:07 PM
In my working life, my boss used to hand out a piece of paper every two years which basically asked you to list down who would do what in case you were "run over by a bus". Contingency plans are very important, particularly at the top. I would hate to think that Apple would have to go "panic shopping" for a new CEO should (heaven forbid) something sudden happen to Steve.

luminosity
Dec 9, 2007, 02:08 PM
Is any company's fortunes and future so intertwined as Apple's have been with Jobs?

rented mule
Dec 9, 2007, 02:09 PM
Wut? Ive is almost as old as Jobs with only some ten years or so seperating them. Why would they replace an old fart with another?

sonicsands
Dec 9, 2007, 02:11 PM
Jonthan Ive is a design guru. But he has little background in the nitty gritty of software design or computer hardware design (the innards). While Steve Jobs is not an engineer himself, he has participated in major engineering decisions for almost 30 years.

Do you see Jonathan Ive making decisions about turning the OS in Next into the foundation of a new Mac OS? Do you see him as the driver for converting to Intel? What about business decisions such as jumping into music and video?

Also, Jobs is only 52. The question of succession will not be material for 10 more years, unless his cancer returns.

bilbo--baggins
Dec 9, 2007, 02:14 PM
Sounds like nonsense to me.

Besides, Ive's hasn't been as publicly visible recently - if there was any plan for the future I would expect that person to shown to the public, like Phil Schiller has. I don't think Phil Schiller would be good enough either, unfortunately.

epicwelshman
Dec 9, 2007, 02:22 PM
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I'd be very happy with this decision. Ive would be a great compitant CEO. Apple definitely does need a post-Jobs plan. He personifies Apple, which is great but poses a problem for when he leaves.

ooberpongo
Dec 9, 2007, 02:29 PM
Well of course, if someone succeeds Steve Jobs it will one of his offsprings. He has four children. One of them should be old enough when he retires.:D

JNB
Dec 9, 2007, 02:30 PM
Wut? Ive is almost as old as Jobs with only some ten years or so seperating them. Why would they replace an old fart with another?


Hardly "old farts." More like "adults." :rolleyes:

thiago824
Dec 9, 2007, 02:31 PM
He's cute, I hope he does...
:D

rented mule
Dec 9, 2007, 02:32 PM
Hardly "old farts." More like "adults." :rolleyes:

Old farts, adults...what's the difference? Are you an 'adult'? Is that why you're offended? :)

Yankees 4 Life
Dec 9, 2007, 02:53 PM
why not get a yankee to do it?:cool:

ppc_michael
Dec 9, 2007, 02:55 PM
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He can design, but how does that make him suddenly able to run a large business?

JNB
Dec 9, 2007, 02:55 PM
Old farts, adults...what's the difference? Are you an 'adult'? Is that why you're offended? :)

Offended? Moi? Hardly! AARP membership status notwithstanding, I take joy in seeing my peers succeed and provide all you whippersnappers the goodies we never had... :p

lostngone
Dec 9, 2007, 03:01 PM
People, People its not to late to have Steve Jobs cloned!

If we cloned him, lets say 100 times and raised them in the way of Steve you could get 1 or 2 out of the batch that could succeed him.

mashny
Dec 9, 2007, 03:10 PM
Well, it's axiomatic, but the reason it will be so hard to replace Steve Jobs is because there's no one out there like Steve Jobs. There are people who may have one or two of Jobs's traits, but to find another person with the vision, the perfectionism, the ability to *constructively* use the dictatorial power necessary to convert ideas to products, the love of design, the courage to stand up to people like Bill Gates (especially a decade ago, when Microsoft dwarfed Apple), the sense of fun and challenge (and impishness) to target people like Michael Dell (Jobs's famous Macworld comment about going after Dell...) as a motivating technique and rallying cry, the technical knowledge, the media savvy, the showmanship, the ability to bend people to his will (Jobs's "reality distortion field"), the intolerance for mediocrity, the resilience to overcome serious setbacks... Plus, Jobs was one of the company's founders, so... Well, you get the idea.

To paraphrase, there's a saying that "a zebra is a horse designed by a committee." Without one strong, effective voice (and vision), there is too much compromise, such that the final product becomes a bastardization of the original idea and ideal.

All that being said, I have no idea whether Ive would make a good CEO. I would imagine that the most enviable position--and the least enviable position--any business person could aspire to would be to succeed Steve Jobs.

IJ Reilly
Dec 9, 2007, 03:17 PM
Well, it's axiomatic, but the reason it will be so hard to replace Steve Jobs is because there's no one out there like Steve Jobs.

Of course this applies only to Steve Jobs v2. I suppose after a fashion it was also true of Jobs v1, but I don't think anybody would be professing any love for that Jobs iteration or for his irreplaceability. How he could be such a disaster in his first go-round at Apple, and so brilliant on the second try, is one of those miracles that people will be writing about for many years to come.

osirisX
Dec 9, 2007, 03:19 PM
Steve wont live forever?!?!?! :confused::confused::confused:

jayducharme
Dec 9, 2007, 03:21 PM
Ive is a genius, but he's not a showman like Jobs.

I think that's the key. Jobs is Apple's chief cheerleader and salesperson. That's a more difficult position to replace than a designer. It's one thing to design beautiful hardware; it's another thing to get the public to buy it.

And I don't know why but I somehow heard that Ives left Apple (which obviously isn't true). I'm wondering if a lot of this discussion stems from Jobs' bout with cancer a few years ago. With a company as huge as Apple has become, it's only prudent to plan for the future.

netdog
Dec 9, 2007, 03:22 PM
I heard it was going to be Clarkson.


(That's Jeremy Clarkson to my fellow Yanks mired back in the motherland)






He'd certainly make sure that Macs were fast.

mashny
Dec 9, 2007, 03:29 PM
Well, if we could find someone who combines Jack Welch, Richard Branson, and Larry Ellison, maybe we'd have something.

jmadlena
Dec 9, 2007, 03:34 PM
Ive is not a trained or schooled in programming or marketing. He's an artist.

Neither is Steve. In the early days Woz did all of the computer stuff. Job just knew what Woz should be working on, and then how to present the end product in RDF kind of way.

Don't get me wrong, I think Jobs is a magnificent leader for Apple. He has vision (too much for the likes of NBC to handle, anyway), charisma, passion, and a need for perfection. After watching and reading every single interview with Ives I can find (there aren't many of them) I believe he has all of these. The only thing lacking is his RDF skills. Give him time.

He may be a very private person, but doing a Keynote once or twice a year wouldn't necessarily interfere with his home life, and shouldn't.

The Monkey
Dec 9, 2007, 03:37 PM
Steve Jobs is the REASON that made me LOVE Apple & its products. :)

I love this man very very much, and my feelings towards him are sincere.

I never cared about celebrities, but If I have the chance to meet a celebrity, I would choose my hero Mr. Jobs.

Apple without Steve, is like a planet with no water.

It would really sadden me to see him retire and leave the industry, and I hope that day never comes.

Please tell me this post is a joke. In any event, a responsible corporation has an obligation to have in place a reasonable plan of succession, regardless of the age or relative health of its senior leadership.

jasonh779
Dec 9, 2007, 03:38 PM
Steve Jobs will die?! :eek:

Nah, its alright, they'll use time machine to keep bringing him back.:D

Virgil-TB2
Dec 9, 2007, 03:43 PM
Unfortunately both are required to lead a successful company these days. Some people can hide incompetence but charisma is easy to spot and impossible to fake so we end up with CEO's that look competent and charismatic but are truly incompetent. Jobs was a rare duck indeed.I would relegate charisma even further afield and add competence to it.

What is important is a single vision in regards the expression of the product. Additionally, competence is required as a base condition of any good operation, and the presentation at the press event doesn't really matter as long as no obvious mistakes are made.

It's the vision and the guidance given to the engineering team that matters, and the quality of the team members themselves. That situation can be replicated by someone like Ive even if he doesn't have the "charisma" to pull off a public stevenote.

portent
Dec 9, 2007, 03:52 PM
I think Jobs' success at Apple is a result of at least four abilities:

1. He understands the business side of a major company...he can talk to Wall Street analysts and lead investor conference calls, and not sound like an idiot.
2. He is a master of marketing...call it "charisma" or "Reality distortion field" or whatever, he can get people excited
3. He has a reasonable understanding of technical matters...he can keynote a developer's conference and not sound like an idiot
4. He has a great sense of style and design.

Ive has #4 down. Maybe he also has #2. But you can't lead a technology company that way. Unless he can prove that he understands #1 and #3, he'd be a better candidate to lead Gucci or DKNY.

Darkroom
Dec 9, 2007, 04:03 PM
jIve is too sexy to be CEO of apple

*meow*

TheSpecialist
Dec 9, 2007, 04:04 PM
The Boys From Brazil;)? Not Hitler, but Steve Jobs!

People, People its not to late to have Steve Jobs cloned!

If we cloned him, lets say 100 times and raised them in the way of Steve you could get 1 or 2 out of the batch that could succeed him.

leenoble
Dec 9, 2007, 04:06 PM
Years ago I wondered what would happen once Ive got bored of designing computers.
He'd designed the iMac (twice), the PowerMac (twice) and the iBook (twice). For a product designer it must be really difficult to come up with revolutionary designs for products you've already revolutionarily designed once or twice already. I felt it was inevitable that Ive would eventually move on so he could design something else for a change. I'm sure there are countless other product areas out there with CEOs desperate for his talents.
Fortunately Apple had a way of keeping Ive around and that was the iPod and latterly the Apple TV and iPhone, although I strongly suspect that Ive was a major driving force behind these new directions.
Ive will need new challenges, whether they be new product ranges or more personal challenges. I guess it depends on where he's reached internally. He may be ready to have a less hands on role.

Digital Skunk
Dec 9, 2007, 04:10 PM
I hope Jony does a better job at running Apple than Steve. I think Jobs has done a wonderful job, but I hope Jony will give Apple more product options and different lines of machines than Apple currently has. Hopefully Jobs will announce his stepping down at MWSF 08 and that Ives will take over affective immediately.

Then Ives will get on stage and show us a redesigned MacBook Pro with a super 17" model that has the dual 2.8 GHz Penryn chip and a 512 MB GFX card and dual HDD slots.

dogtanian
Dec 9, 2007, 04:10 PM
I'd love to see Ive at the helm. He's not bad looking either... although looking a bit old nowadays.

phillipjfry
Dec 9, 2007, 04:16 PM
Unfortunately both are required to lead a successful company these days. Some people can hide incompetence but charisma is easy to spot and impossible to fake so we end up with CEO's that look competent and charismatic but are truly incompetent. Jobs was a rare duck indeed.

When I see charisma, I immediately think of the robotic speech given by Cingular's big man during Steve Jobs intro of the iPhone. His "no eye contact" and "by the 3x5 card notes" he so elegantly read from lets me know just where my money is going this May when I get my iPhone :)

zoran
Dec 9, 2007, 04:17 PM
Guys guys guys, why all the fuss about this new CEO stuff! Even if Johnathan comes, it will still be like Steven hasen't left! Take a look at the resemblance he looks so much like Steve!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Jonathan_ive.jpg
Although... i must pin point theres one Steve, and there will never be another! :D Heck i dont care about resemblance... Steve dont leave!

Dagless
Dec 9, 2007, 04:18 PM
I'd prefer Ives, I think.

nlivo
Dec 9, 2007, 04:22 PM
I'm not sure who the guy is but whoever was the first person to publicly demonstrate "Time Machine" in a keynote, I thought, did a really good job. He was quite young though. I have no idea about him and if he would be a good CEO but he speaks publicly very well.

PS. Ive for CEO!!!

MLeepson
Dec 9, 2007, 04:23 PM
Regardless of whoever replaces Jobs, he'll still remain on the board of directors. He'll still probably stay and help out with the transition of one exec to another.

Victor ch
Dec 9, 2007, 04:44 PM
Of course he isn't as charismatic as Mr. Jobs, but still he seems quite charismatic from the interview I just watched in YouTube. Obviously there is none like Jobs, but probably the best successor will be him; lets just hope it isn't in the near future, I hope Apple can count on both for a long while.

-Victor

uzi
Dec 9, 2007, 04:50 PM
I cannot think of a case where an computer/OS vendor tossed out it OS. and well sort of (BSD/Next) started over again....

That took balls... MSFT could do the same, they have $$$$$$$$$... $^N cash and could suck off it's own UNIX flavor (hell they did it once...) and they would not be good news for linux, apple, or MSFT Certified dorks --would have to return to Wal-Mart...

I think Jobs will be at apple for sometime (he's got health issues) but if apple "goes" for it, now and in the future like Jobs did, it will just keep growing...

Uzi

CANEHDN
Dec 9, 2007, 04:51 PM
This seems to be more of an issue when Steve plans on leaving Apple. I doubt that will happen any time soon.

Sweetfeld28
Dec 9, 2007, 04:57 PM
Regardless of whoever replaces Jobs, he'll still remain on the board of directors. He'll still probably stay and help out with the transition of one exec to another.

I was thinking the same thing. Steve has great public speaking skills, while Ive may not. But this doesn't mean that he couldn't lead his company/team to do just as good of a job as Steve has done. It would be diffrent if Steve left, and didn't give the next CEO any help or input; but since Steve and Ive, communicate with each other on a daily basis, i think Ive wouldn't hesitate to give Steve a call to get some input from him, if need be.

Johnny.Ive=GOD
Dec 9, 2007, 04:59 PM
life without steve in charge of apple?? i can't imagine!!?? nor do i want to, at least for now

I wouldn't be the first time SJ would've been out of the Hot-seat at number 1

fraserdrew
Dec 9, 2007, 04:59 PM
It would be nice to see a Briton at the head of Apple :D
Seriously though, Apple's heart is rooted in design, that is the factor that sets them apart from the rest of the market.
So Ive as CEO would put Apple in exactly the right line. Jobs has another 10-15 years in him as CEO and I can't see him completely leaving Apple ever again, look what happened last time.
It's that 'look what happened before' that many, including myself, believe that makes Jobs the man he is, it's the worry that makes him 'pushy', and striving to do better than ANYONE else.
He will mould someone, and at this moment in time, it seems likely that it will be Ive. Don't be surprised if we see more of Ive at keynotes, that'll be Keynote Speeches 101 :D

Best Apple Quote ever, really fits my above description of Jobs: "We're one or two steps ahead, and moving faster than they are" Encapsulates apple in one sentence. period.

Johnny.Ive=GOD
Dec 9, 2007, 05:00 PM
Larry David

Lefteous
Dec 9, 2007, 05:15 PM
Steve Jobs has some children. Maybe one of them will take over one day. Steve Jobs junior :D

psychofreak
Dec 9, 2007, 05:16 PM
At least Ive taking over would mean a chance for more reasonable UK prices...

saxofunk
Dec 9, 2007, 05:16 PM
Ives is clearly not the next to take the helm at Apple. The clues lie in the fact that Al Gore is not running for President. Clearly it's because he will take over - wielding his Nobel Prize in one hand and a ball of fire in the other, which on closer inspection turns out to be the earth engulfed in flame. With the power to raise the global temperature, who would stand in his way? Under Gore, Apple will begin to make products like the iMill - the first personal windmill (which will later be -poorly - copied by Microsoft as the WinMill only available in brown) amongst other environmentally friendly products. This type of development will eventually lead to Apple discovering cold fusion and saving the entire planet.

Apple Corps
Dec 9, 2007, 05:18 PM
Unfortunately both are required to lead a successful company these days. Some people can hide incompetence but charisma is easy to spot and impossible to fake so we end up with CEO's that look competent and charismatic but are truly incompetent. Jobs was a rare duck indeed.

Jobs IS a rare...

Apple Corps
Dec 9, 2007, 05:22 PM
I have doubts that Ives would be a strong candidate - the visionary portion of Apple is OS and the experience in software / user architecture - the hardware is "cool" - kudos to Ives for the design - but he has a lot of missing experience in critical areas.

At any rate - my best wishes for Steve to be at the helm for at least another decade plus - and what a decade that will be !!!!!!!!

big_malk
Dec 9, 2007, 05:24 PM
I'm not sure who the guy is but whoever was the first person to publicly demonstrate "Time Machine" in a keynote, I thought, did a really good job. He was quite young though. I have no idea about him and if he would be a good CEO but he speaks publicly very well.

PS. Ive for CEO!!!

When I saw this thread that's who came to my mind, who ever he is.

Maybe they were testing him as a contingency plan, didn't Steve have his cancer scare around then?

eRondeau
Dec 9, 2007, 05:28 PM
A friend of mine is a big-shot financial executive, who controls literally billions of dollars in mutual funds. I recently asked him why he's never invested in Apple stock. He said that in his opinion, Apple is "too closely tied to Steve Jobs", and if something unexpected were to happen to Steve -- the stock price would tank overnight. Just too much long-term risk despite Apple's incredible rise recently. Interesting observation from a major player in the financial realm. :apple:

mashny
Dec 9, 2007, 05:29 PM
I hope Jony does a better job at running Apple than Steve. I think Jobs has done a wonderful job, but I hope Jony will give Apple more product options and different lines of machines than Apple currently has. Hopefully Jobs will announce his stepping down at MWSF 08 and that Ives will take over affective immediately.

Though people assume lots of options and choices are good a good thing, one of Apple's huge marketing strengths is the simplicity and clear distinctions of its product lines. Do a Google search on "Tyranny of Choice" for much more information. Inundating consumers with options would not be in Apple's best interest (nor that of its shareholders). This is something Steve Jobs understands very well.

Apple Corps
Dec 9, 2007, 05:42 PM
I hope Jony does a better job at running Apple than Steve. I think Jobs has done a wonderful job, but I hope Jony will give Apple more product options and different lines of machines than Apple currently has. Hopefully Jobs will announce his stepping down at MWSF 08 and that Ives will take over affective immediately.

Then Ives will get on stage and show us a redesigned MacBook Pro with a super 17" model that has the dual 2.8 GHz Penryn chip and a 512 MB GFX card and dual HDD slots.

Digital Skunk - a better job than Steve - where is your head and where have you been over the last several years??? Are you an investor?? For heaven's sake - 99.99% of CEOs and Investors would love to have performed as well as Steve and his team. Look at the stock appreciation - growth in market share - innovation - CEO awards - ?????

p0intblank
Dec 9, 2007, 05:46 PM
There is no "replacing" Steve Jobs... but unfortunately it's going to have to happen eventually. I think Ive would make a good CEO, though. I can tell he has a lot of passion behind Apple's products and design.

But for now, it's Jobs. :)

Apple Corps
Dec 9, 2007, 05:48 PM
A friend of mine is a big-shot financial executive, who controls literally billions of dollars in mutual funds. I recently asked him why he's never invested in Apple stock. He said that in his opinion, Apple is "too closely tied to Steve Jobs", and if something unexpected were to happen to Steve -- the stock price would tank overnight. Just too much long-term risk despite Apple's incredible rise recently. Interesting observation from a major player in the financial realm. :apple:

And many of those "big shots" generate returns that pale by comparison to Apple's performance - "piddlin" along at a safe 12% or so a year. How many millions and millions of ROI dollars has he cost his poor clients with that type of attitude?

bbergie
Dec 9, 2007, 05:48 PM
I'm not sure how there can be doubt about Ives' charisma: he's English. :D

Steve Jobs=God
Dec 9, 2007, 05:59 PM
I thought it was amusing that they point out that Ive hasn't got the same level of charisma as Jobs

Not a single person in the business world can match Jobs in that or any other area


And about the guy who demoed TM, FYI he's called Scott Forstall and is currently VP of the iPhone Division. totally agree, think he would be great as a CEO as well, seeing as he's in charge of Apples (debatable) most important division currently, i think the Apple Execs might just think highly of him aswell

apearlman
Dec 9, 2007, 06:00 PM
There's only one person who could replace Steve Jobs:

FAKE STEVE JOBS.

mdriftmeyer
Dec 9, 2007, 06:06 PM
I would choose competence over charisma any day.

I suppose you don't realize that Ivy is an Industrial Designer who has a top team of Engineers (Mechanical, Electrical), Software Developers and Graphics Artists who do the actual work, right?

Jonathan is a good Manager and has an eye for style compatible with Steve Jobs.

Unless he shows me something as a Keynote speaker (He's never done one) this is all speculative PR.

Note: I've got some experience working for both NeXT and Apple, under Steve Jobs.

NO ONE GIVES A PRESENTATION AND VISION LIKE STEVE JOBS.

It's his Strength and a Corporation's biggest worry if he leaves.

Jonathan Ivy knows and understands the Vision of Steve Jobs. This Vision and Style, not to mention a keen eye for demanding something better out of his staff, is something you either nurture in your youth or don't.

Some say you're born with it. I believe such ability is innate but needs the environment from your family to see it and help it grow.

Ivy is best doing what he does best: driving his team to materialize compelling solutions.

They've got a long way to go to show that the company can break the 10% market ceiling.

CEOs are a unique breed. Most of them in this industry shouldn't be CEOs and some should that never get the chance.

No one becomes a CEO without the desire to be one. This desire tends to be born from years of frustration on not getting one's vision noticed and utilized.

Startups come from frustrated engineers and business personnel who were limited in their prior jobs.

Ivy is in an enviable position His team's work is constantly being implemented.

Lefteous
Dec 9, 2007, 06:09 PM
Well there is of course another possibility. Steve Jobs will never quit and by never I really mean never.Even doomsday won't make him stop :apple:

puckhead193
Dec 9, 2007, 06:11 PM
I think steve is too young to retire. I mean he has enough money to but why..he's too young.

quagmire
Dec 9, 2007, 06:16 PM
There's only one person who could replace Steve Jobs:

FAKE STEVE JOBS.

http://pulsar.esm.psu.edu/Faculty/Gray/graphics/movies/MacWorldNewYork1999.mov

They already tried to do a fake Jobs. He did a poor job as pointed out by Jobs himself. :)

SkyBell
Dec 9, 2007, 06:40 PM
As the ultimate irony, there is one guy who has enough energy and is crazy enough to replace SJ:

















Steve Ballmer. :D


Let the flaming begin!

mashny
Dec 9, 2007, 06:45 PM
As the ultimate irony, there is one guy who has enough energy and is crazy enough to replace SJ:

Steve Ballmer. :D

Let the flaming begin!

Yeah, but there's a difference between genius and just plain crazy :)

psychofreak
Dec 9, 2007, 06:46 PM
http://pulsar.esm.psu.edu/Faculty/Gray/graphics/movies/MacWorldNewYork1999.mov

They already tried to do a fake Jobs. He did a poor job as pointed out by Jobs himself. :)

You don't seem to know the real Fake Steve Jobs (http://fakesteve.blogspot.com/) :)

archurban
Dec 9, 2007, 06:57 PM
yeah, it's been so controversal who will be next successor. but I just doubt that JI has enough eligibility to be CEO? running the business is different story. he is good at designing beautiful mac, ipod. but for being CEO? I don't know. the major problem is that there is no replacement since Steve Jobs has taken over the business. no brainer. now Microsoft has similar problem since Bill Gates left. well, officially not yet. but as you know, he has been much more focus on non profit organization.

who will be next. I just hope not to ruin recent successful business.

wordmunger
Dec 9, 2007, 06:59 PM
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Unless he shows me something as a Keynote speaker (He's never done one) this is all speculative PR.

Note: I've got some experience working for both NeXT and Apple, under Steve Jobs.

NO ONE GIVES A PRESENTATION AND VISION LIKE STEVE JOBS.



Guess what? Ives is a different person from Jobs. It's okay if the keynotes are different. In fact, maybe Ives would decide to use a different marketing strategy -- which is what he *should* do if he's not a good speaker....

psychofreak
Dec 9, 2007, 07:03 PM
JI really doesn't have the same ring to it as SJ...

MattInOz
Dec 9, 2007, 07:04 PM
I wouldn't be looking in Apple for the next CEO.
I wouldn't be looking in Tech world at all.

Apple has a lot riding on a single character Steve Jobs at the moment
If he leaves investor will be wary, and be looking to for Apple to present a more diverse group of faces to the company.
JI would come up as the Design Face, but i'd expect to see someone from the Business world maybe someone youngish, up and coming that the business world would have faith in but as yet isn't known at large so they can establish themselves as the business face of apple.

twoodcc
Dec 9, 2007, 07:27 PM
whoever it ends up being, they have some large shoes to fill, that's for sure

erandall38
Dec 9, 2007, 07:50 PM
It will anyway when Steve leaves. Look at any major corporation that had a well-known CEO/leader and he they left, the stock falls.

As for charisma vs. competence: I'll choose competence. Get the 'Mac' guy to do MWSF each year for the charisma.:rolleyes:

Wrong.

Look at General Electric (GE), they have always been well known for having some of the best leadership in the world.

Since they have some of the best leadership in the world they always planned ahead and had a good contingency plan.

Apple is a great company with great leadership, so they have a great contingency plan.

Everything Steve Jobs does has been planned out for a long time. Short term I could see AAPL dropping for a very short term maybe 10 points at most. But that will be because all of the people who sell thinking Apple is doomed. Then all the smart investors will pick up those sold shares and bring it back up but at a great discount.

neutrino23
Dec 9, 2007, 07:53 PM
No question, Steve Jobs is unique. By sheer force of personality he turned Apple around when he came back and then he forced us all to switch to the Intel platform, successfully. Probably few people in the world could have pulled that off.

No one will replace Steve. However, another person could make Apple successful in their own way. Steve does the keynotes just because he can and because he is so effective at it. Whoever takes over from Steve will build on their own strengths.

Assuming Steve keeps at this for another decade or more then whoever gets the job will find they are running a very different Apple. Perhaps Apple will be so big with so many different divisions that it will no longer work to have just one person represent them. There may be an entertainment division and an OS division and a telecom company and who knows what else. MWSF might return to its roots and just deal with computers and the OS.

I think Apple is sufficiently solid in the market place now with both plans for the future and secure financing and a solid name that they could make a successful transition to a new CEO. As long as his name isn't Amelio.

gifford
Dec 9, 2007, 07:54 PM
They should have me.

1) Im a total apple nerd. And "get it".
2) I have shown vast vision, inventiveness within my industry.i lead by innovation not domination, and have similar cult like followings. And have similarly large companies continuously looking over my shoulder for inspiration.
3) I have numerous groundbreaking new apple products ready to go.
4) Almost every decision apple makes, is what "i would have done" if in his position. (actually not entirely true, I would have a better web strategy IMO)
5) I took drugs when i was younger!
6) I dropped out of college
7) I program in 20 or so languages including c and objective c. I'm driven and self taught. And understand the bigger picture MUCH better than many CEO's that somehow run these multinationals.
8) I am an artist. An artist who fuses many technologies together to form my creations.
9) I have designed manufactured marketed electronic products from scratch, on my own, from my shed.
10) I'm rarely wrong, but I'm not too proud to admit my mistakes, and try different angles.

I have tried on numerous occasions to contact apple about potential products, inventions, patents, but I cant get hold of them for ****. Oh well their loss!

erandall38
Dec 9, 2007, 07:55 PM
Ives is clearly not the next to take the helm at Apple. The clues lie in the fact that Al Gore is not running for President. Clearly it's because he will take over - wielding his Nobel Prize in one hand and a ball of fire in the other, which on closer inspection turns out to be the earth engulfed in flame. With the power to raise the global temperature, who would stand in his way? Under Gore, Apple will begin to make products like the iMill - the first personal windmill (which will later be -poorly - copied by Microsoft as the WinMill only available in brown) amongst other environmentally friendly products. This type of development will eventually lead to Apple discovering cold fusion and saving the entire planet.

I like the idea you had about Gore. Some good points, but I am not sure if he is fit to run Apple. I am not sure people would really accept him as a new Steve Jobs, or replacement of Steve Jobs.
Also with the idea that he did not run for president bc he is going to be CEO of Apple would mean Steve is planning on retiring within 4 years...

erandall38
Dec 9, 2007, 08:08 PM
A friend of mine is a big-shot financial executive, who controls literally billions of dollars in mutual funds. I recently asked him why he's never invested in Apple stock. He said that in his opinion, Apple is "too closely tied to Steve Jobs", and if something unexpected were to happen to Steve -- the stock price would tank overnight. Just too much long-term risk despite Apple's incredible rise recently. Interesting observation from a major player in the financial realm. :apple:


"Big-shot" financial executive are not people I would take financial advice regarding whether to buy a stock or not. Many of those people rely on manipulation.

There average return is much less than many would think. I think the average for guys like them is about 10 or 12%. Ya thats better than a bank, but my yearly average right now is about 89%. Not that I am some big-shot but different people invest for different reason with different opinions.

Big-shots have been calling down AAPL allllll year and they have been wrong alllll year. Some of them are just trying to get in at a discount price.

You have to look at the real fundamentals of the company. Apple is continuously growing because their products ARE superior to others and at the moment is a niche product. That is what sells. PC users are not going out and making the switch because they watched Steve Jobs do a keynote, they are doing it because the products are better.

Yes, how investors view Steve Jobs does effect their investment choices but only to a certain extent. When people sell off because Jobs goes and there is that temporary sell off, I will love to pick up more shares at a nice discount. Then when earnings comes a few months later and we find out that they killed Analysts estimates again....$$$$

Steve Jobs is a big part of AAPL but not as big as many think. The stock is driven by high analyst estimates, Apple continuously beating estimates, continous large scale growth, niche prodcuts, good quality products, customer service, fundamentals, etc.

When people act like Steve Jobs is AAPL, it makes no sense to me. SJ is Apple but not AAPL and those are two completely different things. Saying SJ is the main driving force of AAPL bewilders me just as much as when people say AAPL is all about the iPhone.... but thats another story.

winmacguy
Dec 9, 2007, 08:19 PM
A friend of mine is a big-shot financial executive, who controls literally billions of dollars in mutual funds. I recently asked him why he's never invested in Apple stock. He said that in his opinion, Apple is "too closely tied to Steve Jobs", and if something unexpected were to happen to Steve -- the stock price would tank overnight. Just too much long-term risk despite Apple's incredible rise recently. Interesting observation from a major player in the financial realm. :apple:

My dad is successful and retired, he thinks I made a very wise/lucky choice by buying my Apple stock when I did.

MattInOz
Dec 9, 2007, 08:26 PM
They should have me.

1) Im a total apple nerd. And "get it".
2) I have shown vast vision, inventiveness within my industry.i lead by innovation not domination, and have similar cult like followings. And have similarly large companies continuously looking over my shoulder for inspiration.
3) I have numerous groundbreaking new apple products ready to go.
4) Almost every decision apple makes, is what "i would have done" if in his position. (actually not entirely true, I would have a better web strategy IMO)
5) I took drugs when i was younger!
6) I dropped out of college
7) I program in 20 or so languages including c and objective c. I'm driven and self taught. And understand the bigger picture MUCH better than many CEO's that somehow run these multinationals.
8) I am an artist. An artist who fuses many technologies together to form my creations.
9) I have designed manufactured marketed electronic products from scratch, on my own, from my shed.
10) I'm rarely wrong, but I'm not too proud to admit my mistakes, and try different angles.

I have tried on numerous occasions to contact apple about potential products, inventions, patents, but I cant get hold of them for ****. Oh well their loss!


Maybe you should work some non-critical patent infringement in to your next product, so they come knocking on your door. You could do a little SJ style reverse takeover action.

koobcamuk
Dec 9, 2007, 09:01 PM
I would love someone British as the CEO.

I would love it if Ive then reduced the price markup on UK Apple products.

Steven Ballmer
Dec 9, 2007, 09:04 PM
Jobs told me a few years ago that he wanted me to take over if anything should ever happen to him. I am still considering it.

gifford
Dec 9, 2007, 09:16 PM
Maybe you should work some non-critical patent infringement in to your next product, so they come knocking on your door. You could do a little SJ style reverse takeover action.

Ha ! I was very close to a bit of apple copyright infringement the other day actually. The UI design for a competing product I was involved in was almost perfectly designed by apple, to the point where it was very difficult to differentiate without losing functionality/usability.

Got there in the end though.

mashny
Dec 9, 2007, 09:22 PM
Steve Jobs is a big part of AAPL but not as big as many think. The stock is driven by high analyst estimates, Apple continuously beating estimates, continous large scale growth, niche prodcuts, good quality products, customer service, fundamentals, etc.

When people act like Steve Jobs is AAPL, it makes no sense to me. SJ is Apple but not AAPL and those are two completely different things. Saying SJ is the main driving force of AAPL bewilders me just as much as when people say AAPL is all about the iPhone.... but thats another story.

Steve Jobs turned Apple around when he returned to the company ten years ago. At the time of his return, Apple was in serious financial trouble and lacked direction (was it a software company? A hardware company? What was its future?). Though people now joke about Michael Dell's infamous quote, at the time, Dell arguably had a good point. When jobs returned, he reorganized management--firing a whole bunch of people--slashed departments, and, perhaps most importantly, realized what was needed to reinvigorate Apple so it could thrive (that vision thing...). His understanding of design, the consumer, technology... was the root of Apple's success, not to mention NeXT's contribution to what we now know as OSX. Without NeXT (aka, Steve Jobs), who knows where the Macintosh or Apple would be right now.

Ultimately, a stock is only as good as its fundamentals, and without Jobs's return, and subsequent leadership, Apple wouldn't be a $150+ billion company with no debt, an ever-growing customer base, expanding margins..., and, thus, AAPL would not be the incredible investment it became after Jobs's return. Anyone think John Scully, Michael Spindler, or Gil Amelio could have brought Apple to where it is now?

The reason analysts have high estimates for AAPL is because of the growth engines that have resulted from Jobs's vision. I'm not saying that he does all the work and gets all the credit, but, again, it is his leadership that has brought Apple to where it is now. The analysts' estimates would not be high if Apple's fundamentals didn't warrant it. And Apple beats those estimates because of its sterling fundamentals, growing margins, and expanding consumer base. The analysts don't randomly give Apple high estimates, which Apple just happens to beat.

The fact is, Steve Jobs IS the driving force behind both Apple and AAPL. His vision, ability to motivate, and unwillingness to compromise have given birth to some of the greatest consumer/electronics products of the century. It is his leadership that brought Apple back from the brink of oblivion, his leadership that continues to invigorate the company (and all that entails), and his leadership that has led AAPLs meteoric rise over the past decade.

erandall38
Dec 9, 2007, 09:54 PM
Steve Jobs turned Apple around when he returned to the company ten years ago. At the time of his return, Apple was in serious financial trouble and lacked direction (was it a software company? A hardware company? What was its future?). He reorganized management--firing a whole bunch of people--slashed departments, and, perhaps most importantly, realized what was needed to reinvigorate Apple so it could thrive (that vision thing...). His understanding of design, the consumer, technology... was the root of Apple's success, not to mention NeXT's contribution to what we now know as OSX. Without NeXT (aka, Steve Jobs), who knows where the Macintosh or Apple would be right now.

Ultimately, a stock is only as good as its fundamentals, and without Jobs's return, and subsequent leadership, Apple wouldn't be a $150+ billion company with no debt, an ever-growing customer base, expanding margins..., and, thus, AAPL would not be the incredible investment it became after Jobs's return.

The reason analysts have high estimates for AAPL is because of the growth engines that have resulted from Jobs's vision. I'm not saying that he does all the work and gets all the credit, but, again, it is his leadership that has brought Apple to where it is now. The analysts' estimates would not be high if Apple's fundamentals didn't warrant it. And Apple beats those estimates because of its sterling fundamentals, growing margins, and expanding consumer base. The analysts don't randomly give Apple high estimates, which Apple just happens to beat.

The fact is, Steve Jobs, IS the driving force behind both Apple and AAPL. His vision, ability to motivate, and unwillingness to compromise have given birth to some of the greatest consumer/electronics products of the century. It is his leadership that brought Apple back from the brink of oblivion, his leadership that continues to invigorate the company (and all that entails), and his leadership that has led AAPLs meteoric rise over the past decade.

There is no doubt that SJ turned the company around and made it what it is today. The thing is though it is what it is today. And loosing the CEO of Apple is not going to make the software go bad, or the hard ware, or the sales.

SJ has almost absolutely nothing to do with actual production side. If he was gone Apple could still make good software and hardware. I am sure he comes out with some great ideas, but he is not the only one, and he is passing on his ideology to many others.

He wants Apple to be led a certain way, it got it pointed in that direction and now he is teaching his pupils how to carry it out.

One thing that would really take a noticeable hit is his keynotes.... but man have you watched those lately? I love the guy, genius innovator, but they are getting worse and worse.

SJ has put too much work and planning in his big master plan, whatever that might be, to let it all fall apart when he leaves... and I am sure AAPL stock price is part of his plan.

Yes SJ was the driving force behind AAPL and Apple and he still is, but like you said a stock is only as good as its fundamentals. Here is a good definition of fundamentals found in your dictionary widget:
forming a necessary base or core
The base is set, the core is stronger than ever, and there is no doubt SJ provided all this. But with the base already there and set up so strong by such a good leader, its not cracking and its not falling rather he is there or not. Unfortunately there are others that feel the same way you do and it will cause a temporary stock drop... but because of the base Apple has its earnings will continue to surprise and the company will continue to grow. I think many people including you will be very surprised at how well SJ's contingency plan is carried out, it is definitely something he does not take lightly.

SJ is a huge asset to Apple but the fact that he is in the office everyday is not why the stock is at 190+, it is because what he has done and set up while being in that office the last 10 years.

thingamajigidid
Dec 9, 2007, 10:06 PM
what is next for steve?

running for president....?
i'd vote for him... :) :apple::apple::apple:

Rocketman
Dec 9, 2007, 10:13 PM
I vote for the guy who gave the Time Machine Presentation at the Apple event.

Rocketman

PJF13
Dec 9, 2007, 10:14 PM
Nobody could ever replace Steve Jobs, ever. Plain and simple. When Steve is gone it will truly be the end of an era.

I would imagine it's an awkward position for Steve to be in really. As a smart CEO he needs to make sure that Apple can thrive without him BUT in order to line someone up it's going to be VERY important for Steve to really understand his individual worth and how a fairly major element to the whole Apple sell is the Steve factor.

For example, I love my iPhone...it's amazing, but to be completely honest, I also love having the same phone Steve Jobs has. This is the VERY unique nature that makes up Apple on some level. I'm not a celeb. follower or into the entertainment industry per say, but I really admire and almost "look up to" Steve in an odd way.

bigandtasty
Dec 9, 2007, 10:29 PM
Hopefully Steve remains at the helm for many years to come.:D

But...... if he was to step down, what about Al Roker?:p

mdriftmeyer
Dec 9, 2007, 10:50 PM
Guess what? Ives is a different person from Jobs. It's okay if the keynotes are different. In fact, maybe Ives would decide to use a different marketing strategy -- which is what he *should* do if he's not a good speaker....

Ives needs to be doing Apple Keynotes at MacWorld San Francisco, even if they are second day Keynotes or with Jobs.

They don't happen and it's because the show is Steve Jobs and the vision that created Apple and continues to advance it.

Jobs is brilliant at hiring people to see his vision unfold. He's learned to take critical input from other visions that are localized to a specific product.

He's even been able to see how invaluable these key people have in seeing Apple succeed.

This has only allowed him to be able to explore new markets for Apple and to then turn to incredibly skilled talent to test out these ideas and to improve upon them.

People expect the NeXT Big Thing every January from Apple.

With Steve's RDF he's able to soften the blow when they don't reach these ridiculous expectations and to be able to mask the splash when they exceed consumer expectations.

Put Ive out there this MacWorld 2008 to convey the vision he had behind his team's next big project.

If it flops you won't see him doing another keynote for quite a while.

aaarrrgggh
Dec 9, 2007, 10:51 PM
Whomever they find, I bet they will have to pay him more than $1 per year.

From what I have seen, Ive would be a terrible choice-- product design is very different from corporate vision. When Steve leaves, there will be a huge drop in AAPL's multiplier, no matter how competent his replacement. SJ is a rare mix of prick, visionary, and personality. Nobody can fill those particular shoes, but someone might help push Apple in one particular direction. The 150 billion dollar question is where should Apple focus their energy five years from now. Cool products alone won't go anywhere-- you have to look at the complete ecosystem.

AppleIntelRock
Dec 9, 2007, 11:00 PM
i always thought arn was next in line :(

phungy
Dec 9, 2007, 11:09 PM
i always thought arn was next in line :(

Are you going to keep the sock and G4 box?

TurboSC
Dec 9, 2007, 11:12 PM
Whomever they find, I bet they will have to pay him more than $1 per year.

From what I have seen, Ive would be a terrible choice-- product design is very different from corporate vision. When Steve leaves, there will be a huge drop in AAPL's multiplier, no matter how competent his replacement. SJ is a rare mix of prick, visionary, and personality. Nobody can fill those particular shoes, but someone might help push Apple in one particular direction. The 150 billion dollar question is where should Apple focus their energy five years from now. Cool products alone won't go anywhere-- you have to look at the complete ecosystem.

I'm prepared to start saving for my Apple thought-powered super car. :apple:

colonels1020
Dec 9, 2007, 11:32 PM
What about Phil? :(

ChrisA
Dec 9, 2007, 11:46 PM
The biggest stuff has been done:

How do you know?

Will_reed
Dec 9, 2007, 11:54 PM
He's only 52 for crying out loud I mean it's not like the man is about to keel over!
Why start thinking about replacing him now?

MikeTheC
Dec 9, 2007, 11:55 PM
For what it's worth, even Sir Howard Stringer, CEO of Sony has acknowledged internally that Steve is the man. (Speaking as a former Sony employee...)

Empirically and technically speaking, the position of CEO has a greater need for charisma than competence. Now, mind you we're talking in a somewhat theoretical fashion here, since clearly competence gives one the knowledge necessary to be aware of what they should be driving and thus focusing their people on; however, I tend to liken it to the whole train of thought from the movie Apollo 13 about the parachutes: without them, really does it matter if everything else worked perfectly?

You have to focus your people -- and your customers as well -- on the future and on your core business strengths. If you can't do that, then you're no better than Mr. Stringer of Sony or Frank Blake of Home Depot, who seems to think he can lead from the rear (he doesn't like to make appearances, and appears to support the "strong committee" approach).

I understand where that investor guy is coming from: Steve and Apple are linked in a way that very, very few other companies are with their own leadership. This isn't a fault of either Steve or Apple, it's just an unfortunate by-product of their respective -- and collective -- history. And Apple isn't just "any other company". Do any of us know who the CEOs of Pepsi, Coke, GE, Lowe's, Wal-Mart, Novell, Mead, Sysco, Gap, Guess, Macy's, or any of a dozen other major companies are? And do any of us care? And -- assuming there were no truly incompetent people out there as choices -- would it really matter who was their CEO?

macFanDave
Dec 10, 2007, 01:55 AM
I thought the heir apparent was Fake Steve Jobs!

koobcamuk
Dec 10, 2007, 02:53 AM
Why start thinking about replacing him now?

Because nothing else is happening and we all have to waffle about something here :rolleyes:

Blue Velvet
Dec 10, 2007, 03:31 AM
I suppose you don't realize that Ivy is an Industrial Designer who has a top team of Engineers (Mechanical, Electrical), Software Developers and Graphics Artists who do the actual work, right?


You suppose wrong... and there's nothing in that list that suggests he'd make a great CEO. I'm a designer; I don't for one second believe I have the qualities, skills and experience to be my organisation's CEO.

maclova
Dec 10, 2007, 06:32 AM
good job jonathan!! you're living my dream.. but wait up!!
..ill follow to become apple designer and then take over the ceo position from you.. we could make it an apple tradition; head designer-> ceo :P

koobcamuk
Dec 10, 2007, 06:54 AM
You suppose wrong... and there's nothing in that list that suggests he'd make a great CEO. I'm a designer; I don't for one second believe I have the qualities, skills and experience to be my organisation's CEO.

and what do they think? :rolleyes:

Cloudane
Dec 10, 2007, 07:00 AM
It'll never work.

Fan 1: Ive announced new Macs today.
Fan 2: Have you?


Poor Jobs though. Everyone seems determined to say he's about to drop dead of illness or old age these days! How would you feel if people were arranging your leaving party and digging your grave 10+ years before retirement age :p


I heard it was going to be Clarkson.


(That's Jeremy Clarkson to my fellow Yanks mired back in the motherland)






He'd certainly make sure that Macs were fast.

Indeed. I mean come on, CEO of Apple, how hard can it be?

There's another possible man(?) for the job.
Some say he owns bitchslapbillgates.com
And that he runs Mac OS X on his toaster.
All we know is he's called The Stig (http://forums.macrumors.com/member.php?u=88962).

BenRoethig
Dec 10, 2007, 07:35 AM
Ive. Great, Apple is going to make computers that are even more stylish and even less useful. We need balance, not more extremism. How about Eric Schmidt?

cworsley4
Dec 10, 2007, 08:20 AM
Hold on now they are not about to get jobs the boot. This would not happen until Jobs retires right?????

Jobs is just the best bisness man, he is irreplaceable.
But the day will come where he retires and steps down
so i guess this other guy would be a good replacement, if they two of them are alike.
But really guy what do you think??:apple:

MBP 2.4
2gig ram:apple:

xUKHCx
Dec 10, 2007, 08:27 AM
No one is irreplaceable, no one.

It is good to get someone new in to give a different perspective on the company and it can actually spur growth however there will always be a short term dip.

I doubt it will happen for quite a little while yet but there are a multitude of facts that are unaccounted for, personal goals, retirement plans, health, wanting to do something else, internal politics, family commitments, etc.

Cloudane
Dec 10, 2007, 09:24 AM
He's had the boot before (when he went to do that NEXT cube thing), so yes he could. But it's unlikely, unless he places his trust in some backstabbing moron from a cola company again :p

CatharticFlux
Dec 10, 2007, 09:28 AM
Steve just has a unique combination of marketer, leader, aesthete, businessman and technologist that, for better or worse, doesn't really exist in the IT CxO ranks out there. It may yet be many decades before we find someone that can also marry business with aesthetics AND makes us drink the kool-aid :)

Asar
Dec 10, 2007, 09:39 AM
i dont think anyone could replace steve jobs.

koobcamuk
Dec 10, 2007, 09:41 AM
i dont think anyone could replace steve jobs.

You do know he will retire/die one day, don't you?

DaBrain
Dec 10, 2007, 10:13 AM
life without steve in charge of apple?? i can't imagine!!?? nor do i want to, at least for now

Being that Steve is only in his early 50's, I would think he will be around for some time. Unless he stops loving what he's doing. Cause at this point I don't think he's in it for extra money! :)

Cloudane
Dec 10, 2007, 11:15 AM
Well I certainly don't think he's in it for the salary :D

JGowan
Dec 10, 2007, 11:24 AM
http://www.macrumors.com/images/macrumorsthreadlogo.gif (http://www.macrumors.com)Though mostly speculative, Timesonline.co.uk (http://technology.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/tech_and_web/personal_tech/article3019090.ece) profiles Apple's Vice-President of Industrial Design, Jonathan Ive, as a possible successor CEO to Steve Jobs.

The author suggests that there has been some call for a plan for 'Apple after Steve Jobs', who is currently 52 years old.I think this article is ridiculous -- 52 -- BAH! 52 is the new 42! People who "rockstars" don't retire -- Mecca, Elton, Mick, Plant, Jobs -- they were born to rock! You have to ask yourself WHY IS JOBS ON THE JOB? It's certainly not the money. It's to make great stuff AND to prove that while not the biggest, Apple still makes the best, a point that millions have really never known until very recently. I believe that Steve will continue to run the ship for at least 10 more years, easily. This article was written because anything about Jobs will be read, nothing more.

LizKat
Dec 10, 2007, 11:26 AM
They'd better get the right person or our stock will plummet the second Jobs slips on the lane at a bowling alley.


Yah, well the stock market is so dumbed down nowadays that there's no telling what jacks it up or spooks it. Stocks slip when targets are met (met is the new underperformed), when targets are exceeded (the feat is already discounted), and sometimes rise immediately after dipping when targets are missed ("buy low...").

But it's true that the cult of personality is a potential problem for Apple. Hopefully the next time Apple unwraps a CEO, it won't be some guy used to run a sodapop operation... I think they may have figured that much out. They do have to count the beans though, and the CEO has to listen to the chief beancounter if he's not very tuned into that himself.

With the cashpile that Apple can put into play, the deathknell counter is not going to make much headway for awhile no matter who's up top.

tgildred
Dec 10, 2007, 11:33 AM
Steve Jobs is the REASON that made me LOVE Apple & its products. :)

I love this man very very much, and my feelings towards him are sincere.

I never cared about celebrities, but If I have the chance to meet a celebrity, I would choose my hero Mr. Jobs.

Apple without Steve, is like a planet with no water.

It would really sadden me to see him retire and leave the industry, and I hope that day never comes.


That's it. No more Kool-Aid for you. You've had enough.

LizKat
Dec 10, 2007, 12:00 PM
A friend of mine is a big-shot financial executive, who controls literally billions of dollars in mutual funds. I recently asked him why he's never invested in Apple stock. He said that in his opinion, Apple is "too closely tied to Steve Jobs", and if something unexpected were to happen to Steve -- the stock price would tank overnight. Just too much long-term risk despite Apple's incredible rise recently. Interesting observation from a major player in the financial realm. :apple:

I'd give more thought to who he is on the job before you take his advice for your personal investment. You manage your lousy little four million bucks :D and he manages "literally billions of dollars in mutual funds" FOR OTHER PEOPLE.

If Apple's stock tanks some afternoon behind a newsclip of Jobs tripping over a discarded Zune outside a Starbucks, and given that I actually love all my Apple products, I'd buy into it at the tank price if I could actually get it. Your buddy might well be there afore me (with a considered risk of his own money, not the money he's paid to invest at the job).

I always wonder what the CEOs of companies such as tool and die makers or soda can manufacturers think when they read all the press about celebrity CEOs' every little publicly recorded step off the front porch. Probably, they thank their lucky stars that what they decided to invent in their garage was something useful but so mundane as to escape media attention most of the time.

tgildred
Dec 10, 2007, 12:07 PM
I imagine that one day 5 golden tickets will be hidden in five new iPods distributed around the world. By apparent chance 5 children will be selected to tour Apple HQ at 1 Infinite Loop. Through a series of moral tests loosely disguised as accidents, the successor will be weeded out and chosen.

Most likely he will be an exceedingly annoying little dingus with bad hair. He will, however, have the requisite black turtleneck.

And think about it. The 5th Ave glass cube? Actually a glass elevator.

gifford
Dec 10, 2007, 12:46 PM
I imagine that one day 5 golden tickets will be hidden in five new iPods distributed around the world. By apparent chance 5 children will be selected to tour Apple HQ at 1 Infinite Loop. Through a series of moral tests loosely disguised as accidents, the successor will be weeded out and chosen.

Most likely he will be an exceedingly annoying little dingus with bad hair. He will, however, have the requisite black turtleneck.

And think about it. The 5th Ave glass cube? Actually a glass elevator.

ha ha, thats so daft its almost plausible, great publicity. A bit like "the apprentice" on UK TV, or simon cowell and that stupid music contest he does.

globalhemp
Dec 10, 2007, 12:50 PM
Even if he's about the same age as Jobs, he's the one who could pull it off if something dramatic were unfortunately to happen to Jobs.

netdog
Dec 10, 2007, 12:53 PM
When Clarkson does take over Apple...

James May as Clarkson's new Ive. At least he has a proper haircut and a modicum of taste. His amphibious vehicle's inclusion of a sail showed real style and ingenuity.

As for Hammond, he can be head of marketing with those poncy retouched teeth of his.

And Stiggy? Head of engineering.

IKEA
Dec 10, 2007, 01:43 PM
I nominate Ballmer.

He's dedicated, enthusiastic, speaks his mind… Seriously, what more could one want?

gifford
Dec 10, 2007, 02:21 PM
I nominate Ballmer.

He's dedicated, enthusiastic, speaks his mind… Seriously, what more could one want?

And so charismatic you hang on his every uttered word.... in total disbelief.

kingtj
Dec 10, 2007, 04:00 PM
I think you're on to something here.... It seemed to me like Jobs was making an attempt to get Phil used to appearing and doing some "presenting" at recent Keynotes, and maybe there's a hidden motive behind that.

Don't forget, he was recently doing a lot of talking about things like "future direction of the iPhone", and completely contradicted the "party line" on apps development and iPhone hacking that Jobs was going with. That seemed a bit odd to me -- almost like Jobs decided to throw Schiller out there into the media without "briefing" him first on what he wanted to say (or not say). That very well could have been another attempt at prepping him for a future leadership role at Apple?

Making Ives the CEO makes little sense, because that would take away from his ability to contribute with the skills he has to offer them ... designing artistic cases for their products.


Ive would be no doubt a good choice, but I don't think the best choice. I think the best choice is someone we won't expect.

Ive is not a trained or schooled in programming or marketing. He's an artist.

Phil Schiller wouldn't be bad.

AtHomeBoy_2000
Dec 10, 2007, 06:29 PM
I think you're on to something here.... It seemed to me like Jobs was making an attempt to get Phil used to appearing and doing some "presenting" at recent Keynotes, and maybe there's a hidden motive behind that.

I disagree to a point. Phil Schiller is marketing. Ives is concepts. I think your CEO to be a concepts guy, not a marketing guy. YES Steve is basically a marketing department in and of himself, I want a creative design guy to tell the company where to go.

xUKHCx
Dec 10, 2007, 07:35 PM
When Clarkson does take over Apple...

James May as Clarkson's new Ive. At least he has a proper haircut and a modicum of taste. His amphibious vehicle's inclusion of a sail showed real style and ingenuity.

As for Hammond, he can be head of marketing with those poncy retouched teeth of his.

And Stiggy? Head of engineering.

Will it end up in the usual top gear fashion though, ambitious but rubbish.

StevenBallmer
Dec 10, 2007, 10:04 PM
This could ressyrect them!

AidenShaw
Dec 10, 2007, 11:25 PM
This could ressyrect them!

http://i.dell.com/images/global/products/xpsdt/xpsdt_highlights/xpsdt_one_overview1.jpg

http://www.dell.com/content/products/productdetails.aspx/xpsdt_one?c=us&cs=19&l=en&s=dhs&~tab=bundlestab

ClimbingTheLog
Dec 11, 2007, 04:15 AM
Nah, its alright, they'll use time machine to keep bringing him back.:D

Nah, he'll just use his RDF on the Reaper each time he comes to visit.

He'll convince the Reaper that his job isn't really all that satisfying, and wouldn't he rather come along with Jobs and change the world.

:cool:

Cloudane
Dec 11, 2007, 06:59 AM
Will it end up in the usual top gear fashion though, ambitious but rubbish.

Anyone can design a computer, I mean how hard can it be?

They'll have this "mini tower" everyone's asking for done in no time. Take a Mac Pro, cut the case up a bit, throw a smaller motherboard in, solder in the Apple bits and bobs needed for OS X to run, get the best video card on the market and pop that in, some carefully engineered water cooling designed by none other than Clarkson himself, weld it shut and away it goes.

To test its performance, hand it over to their tame games player for a round of Quake 3. Don't hand it over to Hammond though, that's like installing Windows on it, makes it rather crash-prone.

And it only cost £10,000 to make!

Meanwhile James May tuts in the corner as he enjoys the comfortable speed of his old Mac Classic.

What's that watery zapping sound?

FelixDerKater
Dec 11, 2007, 12:32 PM
Ive is definitely passionate, and an excellent designer, but I don't know that he has the uncompromising management style required to keep a company like Apple moving forward.

Butthead
Dec 11, 2007, 01:33 PM
http://www.macrumors.com/images/macrumorsthreadlogo.gif (http://www.macrumors.com)

Though mostly speculative, Timesonline.co.uk (http://technology.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/tech_and_web/personal_tech/article3019090.ece) profiles Apple's Vice-President of Industrial Design, Jonathan Ive, as a possible successor CEO to Steve Jobs.

The author suggests that there has been some call for a plan for 'Apple after Steve Jobs', who is currently 52 years old. Jonathan Ive might be the man to take that place. Ive and Jobs are said to share a similar perfectionist attitude and are in close contact on a daily basis.

Of course, some doubt that Ive has the charisma to replace Jobs as CEO, in what has been a very public role.

The question of Steve Jobs successor has been raised before, with one suggestion (http://www.macrumors.com/2007/02/05/google-ceo-eric-schmidt-as-temporary-steve-jobs-replacement/) that Google's CEO Eric Schmidt might have taken a temporary role as Apple CEO back during the option-backdating scandal.



Article Link (http://www.macrumors.com/2007/12/09/jonathan-ive-in-line-to-succeed-steve-jobs/)

Yep, there has been a thread here on the Community forum 'what if Steve died', lol. Just as speculative, just as news worthy. This is what MR considers a 'rumor'....huh??? All of wanna be writers can 'suggest' that there has been such a 'suggestion', lol...but is that a 'rumor' per se???

John Musbach
Dec 15, 2007, 03:28 PM
http://www.macrumors.com/images/macrumorsthreadlogo.gif (http://www.macrumors.com)

Though mostly speculative, Timesonline.co.uk (http://technology.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/tech_and_web/personal_tech/article3019090.ece) profiles Apple's Vice-President of Industrial Design, Jonathan Ive, as a possible successor CEO to Steve Jobs.

The author suggests that there has been some call for a plan for 'Apple after Steve Jobs', who is currently 52 years old. Jonathan Ive might be the man to take that place. Ive and Jobs are said to share a similar perfectionist attitude and are in close contact on a daily basis.

Of course, some doubt that Ive has the charisma to replace Jobs as CEO, in what has been a very public role.

The question of Steve Jobs successor has been raised before, with one suggestion (http://www.macrumors.com/2007/02/05/google-ceo-eric-schmidt-as-temporary-steve-jobs-replacement/) that Google's CEO Eric Schmidt might have taken a temporary role as Apple CEO back during the option-backdating scandal.



Article Link (http://www.macrumors.com/2007/12/09/jonathan-ive-in-line-to-succeed-steve-jobs/)
No one will ever truly replace Steve Jobs :( ...he has an infinite amount of energy and brilliance that has yet to be replicated, but alas the elixir of life has yet to be found as well so I suppose he must be replaced eventually, lets just hope that Apple product quality doesn't decline too much when the inevitable happens...

notsofatjames
Dec 15, 2007, 03:40 PM
Ive is a fantastic designer, but doesn't have the same charisma as Steve Jobs, and would never give such legendary keynotes. Ive doesn't like public speaking, and it is very difficult to find and public interviews. I found one interview on youTube (on iPhone, i suppose the website has a bigger catalogue) and a couple of little snippets of him in some launch videos for new apple products (namely the iPod and PowerMac G5).

I couldn't think of a suitable replacement off the top of my head. Phil Schiller always seems keen to take part in the keynotes mind.