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MacRumors
Dec 22, 2007, 10:56 AM
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Apple has updated Security Update 2007-009 to v1.1, available in 10.4.11 PPC (http://www.apple.com/downloads/macosx/apple/security_updates/securityupdate20070091110411ppc.html) and Universal (http://www.apple.com/downloads/macosx/apple/security_updates/securityupdate20070091110411universal.html) and 10.5.1 Universal (http://www.apple.com/downloads/macosx/apple/security_updates/securityupdate2007009111051.html) flavors.

According to Apple's documentation (http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=307224), the new version does not affect the security content of the original update, but addresses an issue that may cause Safari to unexpectedly quit when browsing to certain websites.

Apple initially released Security Update 2007-009 (http://www.macrumors.com/2007/12/17/security-update-2007-009-for-mac-os-x-10-4-11-and-10-5-1/) earlier this week, which included a host of security updates for both 10.4.11 and 10.5.1.

Article Link (http://www.macrumors.com/2007/12/22/apple-re-releases-security-update-2007-009-v1-1/)



longofest
Dec 22, 2007, 10:57 AM
According to Apple's documentation (http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=307224), the new version does not affect the security content of the original update, but addresses an issue that may cause Safari to unexpectedly quit when browsing to certain websites.

Read: Makes Safari snappier :cool:

ltldrummerboy
Dec 22, 2007, 10:59 AM
I don't use Safari, so I would know. All I know is that I had to install a security update again. But no biggy.

Sceneshifter
Dec 22, 2007, 11:04 AM
bah the thread where I announce it gets locked because 'this was old news', where as it was a brand new update!

Telp
Dec 22, 2007, 11:06 AM
Hasn't showed up for me yet.

Edit:Someone already did it for me =].

knockknock
Dec 22, 2007, 11:06 AM
No wonder safari was quitting all the time . Well at least they fix it within the week I installed the update.

longofest
Dec 22, 2007, 11:07 AM
bah the thread where I announce it gets locked because 'this was old news', where as it was a brand new update!

link?

TheSpecialist
Dec 22, 2007, 11:11 AM
link?

http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=403877

fandsw
Dec 22, 2007, 11:32 AM
...at least this one installed smoothly on mine, the one from a week ago caused my MP to lock up needing a hard reboot.

BTW
Dec 22, 2007, 11:34 AM
No wonder safari was quitting all the time . Well at least they fix it within the week I installed the update.

I didn't have any problems but I do appreciate the update anyway. I suffered the MacBook keyboard issue and was glad they fixed that quickly.

Besides bug fixes I'd like to see some feature re-works and augments. Maybe I'm just an Outlook freak but I'd like to see some integration between Mail and iCal. Why can't I just open Mail and view a calendar on the left to see what events are coming up? If I'm curious then clicking on the date should open iCal.

kaiwai
Dec 22, 2007, 11:37 AM
Read: Makes Safari snappier :cool:

What's so snappyless about Safari? I mean, all due respect, screw snappy - get the damn thing working properly with Google services - such as when I copy and past something into the text area of my posting box, it appears at the bottom of the page. Why can't basic things like that be fixed?

Grrr, it really does piss me off when Apple does very little to actually address incompatibility issues with very common websites.

al256
Dec 22, 2007, 11:37 AM
I didn't have any problems but I do appreciate the update anyway.

I did, Safari would crash 3 or 4 times a day... I was seriously about to abandon it.

thats nice
Dec 22, 2007, 11:41 AM
Good to see, i've had a couple of crashes, nothing crazy but i just put it down to me having 10+ tabs open at once. Guess it wasn't me for a change. :)

Telp
Dec 22, 2007, 11:52 AM
...at least this one installed smoothly on mine, the one from a week ago caused my MP to lock up needing a hard reboot.

My friends MB too.

Eidorian
Dec 22, 2007, 11:54 AM
bah the thread where I announce it gets locked because 'this was old news', where as it was a brand new update!You should look here (http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=403803).

billyripkin
Dec 22, 2007, 11:56 AM
well I just went to install this update and it caused my computer to lock up.

apattee
Dec 22, 2007, 11:59 AM
well I just went to install this update and it caused my computer to lock up.

after installing, my mac osx has dissapeared. watch out guys, this has never happened to me. I - as I type - am unable to log into MAC OSX.

jonhaxor
Dec 22, 2007, 11:59 AM
Grrr, it really does piss me off when Apple does very little to actually address incompatibility issues with very common websites.

but is that a browser problem? or a website application problem? .. then how does one define common websites?

Eidorian
Dec 22, 2007, 12:00 PM
after installing, my mac osx has dissapeared. watch out guys, this has never happened to me. I - as I type - am unable to log into MAC OSX.You should check your thread. ;)

kaiwai
Dec 22, 2007, 12:00 PM
but is that a browser problem? or a website application problem? .. then how does one define common websites?

Its a Google site!

It works on Camino, works on Firefox - why doesn't it work nicely on Safari?

Darkroom
Dec 22, 2007, 12:03 PM
What's so snappyless about Safari? I mean, all due respect, screw snappy - get the damn thing working properly with Google services - such as when I copy and past something into the text area of my posting box, it appears at the bottom of the page. Why can't basic things like that be fixed?

Grrr, it really does piss me off when Apple does very little to actually address incompatibility issues with very common websites.

it will all work better soon... how long did it take to integrate gmail talk with gmail thru safari? now that that's working there are other issues with gmail... but it's not exactly apple's responsibility here. as all webdesigners know it's their responsibility to have their code work flawlessly in common browsers... this is something that google needs to fix, and i'm sure they've been working on it.

saxondale.
Dec 22, 2007, 12:05 PM
Safari has been very unstable for me, hopefully this will address most of the issues with crashing.

jonhaxor
Dec 22, 2007, 12:06 PM
Its a Google site!

It works on Camino, works on Firefox - why doesn't it work nicely on Safari?

it's typically lower on the developer priority list since firefox and IE tend to make up about 90% of the browser user-agent strings .. bugs and feature/functionality tends to get addressed a little slower - file a bug with google to raise awareness

sdcacevedo
Dec 22, 2007, 12:08 PM
its funny how Safari 2 quits unexpectedly when accessing apple.com/retail

and that includes safari on the iphone.. try it..

aaron.lee2006
Dec 22, 2007, 12:11 PM
Good, the last update wouldn't install for me. Couldn't verify package content. Hopefully this one works. Restarting now, I'll post back.

EDIT: Worked fine this time :)

Bozola
Dec 22, 2007, 12:17 PM
Based on the Setup Assistant SCREEN FROM HELL (http://www.tuaw.com/2007/12/15/tuaw-tip-getting-out-of-setup-assistant-hell/) episode on the last update....

I is waiting..

RedDragon870503
Dec 22, 2007, 12:21 PM
Absolutely snappier... 4 to 6 times snappier according to SafariSnap Utility. :p

Viv
Dec 22, 2007, 12:23 PM
No problems with the last update or unexpected crashes and dare I say Safari did seem a tad (maybe a smidgen) snappier! lets see what this update will do;-)

quovadis
Dec 22, 2007, 12:43 PM
a straightforward no problem install here

SiliconAddict
Dec 22, 2007, 12:51 PM
But....but...but Apple makes the best software on the market...they...my world has been shattered. :rolleyes:

Seriously though. The concept of QC at Apple is a joke. How many times has this happened over the last 5 years? Not saying the competition is better. The latest work around for an IE patch is to have people dive into the registry... :rolleyes: Just that Apple's rep perpetuated by its fanbase leads to the conclusion that they are 1337....if so this crap shouldn't be happening. If not then people better stop putting them on a pedestal. Pick your poison.

kaiwai
Dec 22, 2007, 01:01 PM
But....but...but Apple makes the best software on the market...they...my world has been shattered. :rolleyes:

Seriously though. The concept of QC at Apple is a joke. How many times has this happened over the last 5 years? Not saying the competition is better. The latest work around for an IE patch is to have people dive into the registry... :rolleyes: Just that Apple's rep perpetuated by its fanbase leads to the conclusion that they are 1337....if so this crap shouldn't be happening. If not then people better stop putting them on a pedestal. Pick your poison.

I don't mind slamming of Microsoft or Apple - but it does piss me off when people blatently lie about the fact that they laden their machine with crap - then wonder why things go pear shaped.

RaceTripper
Dec 22, 2007, 01:01 PM
Based on the Setup Assistant SCREEN FROM HELL (http://www.tuaw.com/2007/12/15/tuaw-tip-getting-out-of-setup-assistant-hell/) episode on the last update....

I is waiting..I had this problem last night with this new update. First time I encountered it. I was beginning to think I would have to restore from backup until I got it solved.

I'm just not very warm and fuzzy about Leopard these days. I may go back to Tiger if 10.5.2 doesn't make it considerably more stable. Apple needs to cool it's heels on the "Vista upgrade to XP" joke because it could find itself in the same boat.

bslax28
Dec 22, 2007, 01:09 PM
well I just went to install this update and it caused my computer to lock up.

same thing - i allowed it to restart and it sat for many minutes on the gray screen with the rotating... thing. i held down the on/off button for 5 seconds, and then turned it back on. it started fine, but the restart after install never fully ran its course. is this a problem? i checked to see if it was installed and software update seemed to think so...

macses
Dec 22, 2007, 01:13 PM
I also got the update but here it's v1.0 and there's no 1.1
so I just installed the v1.0

rushmere
Dec 22, 2007, 01:22 PM
same thing - i allowed it to restart and it sat for many minutes on the gray screen with the rotating... thing. i held down the on/off button for 5 seconds, and then turned it back on. it started fine, but the restart after install never fully ran its course. is this a problem? i checked to see if it was installed and software update seemed to think so...

Exactly the same problem on my Macbook. It thinks the update is installed, but I'm not so sure.....

Nori
Dec 22, 2007, 01:35 PM
I installed the update on my MacBook Pro and everything went fine but when the computer started up again there were two green lights on the keyboard, the num lock and caps lock. I just turned it off but when I started typing I could just type numbers but when I turned both lights on it works fine.
Lights on: works like they are off
Lights off: works like they are on :p :confused:

Stinger123
Dec 22, 2007, 01:47 PM
same thing - i allowed it to restart and it sat for many minutes on the gray screen with the rotating... thing. i held down the on/off button for 5 seconds, and then turned it back on. it started fine, but the restart after install never fully ran its course. is this a problem? i checked to see if it was installed and software update seemed to think so...

The exact same thing happened to me.

DakotaGuy
Dec 22, 2007, 01:58 PM
Safari 3 was crashing about 2 or 3 times a day on me before this update, but I am not sure if it fixed anything because I just updated a couple of hours ago and already had it crash on ebay.com just a few minutes ago. Last time I did a Security Update I had the issue with the blue screen coming up after the restart and after about 15 minutes I had to do a forced shut-down and restart, but this time it worked fine. I am not thrilled how the Software Update works on 10.5 and Safari 3 is very unstable. The funny thing is Safari 3 Beta was more stable then the released version.

jmingin
Dec 22, 2007, 02:16 PM
same thing - i allowed it to restart and it sat for many minutes on the gray screen with the rotating... thing. i held down the on/off button for 5 seconds, and then turned it back on. it started fine, but the restart after install never fully ran its course. is this a problem? i checked to see if it was installed and software update seemed to think so...

Same thing happened to me, too. It sat for at least 15 minutes on the white apple logo screen. Did a hard restart, came up fine... so far

Bern
Dec 22, 2007, 02:24 PM
Up until I installed this update Safari was fine, but is now crashing for me regularly.

twoodcc
Dec 22, 2007, 02:24 PM
cool. glad apple is making it right

savanahrose
Dec 22, 2007, 02:27 PM
I hope it helps with the problem. Safari has quit on me quite a few times lately. When I first wake up the computer I get a blank screen. Will do the update when I get home from work. I can't wait to see what happens. :p

DakotaGuy
Dec 22, 2007, 02:30 PM
Up until I installed this update Safari was fine, but is now crashing for me regularly.

What I don't get is the beta version of Safari being more stable then the released version. At least that has been my experience. It's time for Apple to give us a Safari update that will fix it and make it stable like it used to be. Crashing a few times a day is making me consider different browsers.

heyjude421
Dec 22, 2007, 02:37 PM
This update reversed my number lock and caps lock keys. Fixed after a second restart.

theheyes
Dec 22, 2007, 02:54 PM
Up until I installed this update Safari was fine, but is now crashing for me regularly.

Same happened to me with the keyboard fix. Never had an issue before yet after the fix I've noticed characters go missing.

Leopard. Generally good, but so far has annoyed me more than Tiger.

Jetson
Dec 22, 2007, 02:58 PM
Up until I installed this update Safari was fine, but is now crashing for me regularly.
Same happened to me with the keyboard fix. Never had an issue before yet after the fix I've noticed characters go missing.

Leopard. Generally good, but so far has annoyed me more than Tiger.

Which fix, exactly, are you referring to? Today's fix Security Update 2007-009 (v1.1) or the one prior to that (v1.0)?

theheyes
Dec 22, 2007, 03:06 PM
I was referring to this (http://www.apple.com/support/downloads/macbookmacbookprosoftwareupdate11.html) fix. [off thread topic, on post topic] :)

somberlaine
Dec 22, 2007, 03:32 PM
After the last security update, every time I access this flash based chat/forum, my safari crashed. This update seems to have resolved this issue for me.

iDeal
Dec 22, 2007, 03:58 PM
I haven't installed the update yet but Safari does seem to be cr

kornyboy
Dec 22, 2007, 04:08 PM
Wirelessly posted (Mozilla/5.0 (iPhone; U; CPU like Mac OS X; en) AppleWebKit/420.1 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/3.0 Mobile/3B48b Safari/419.3)

I didn't notice this issue by I'm glad that they fixed it.

FDX
Dec 22, 2007, 04:40 PM
Yep I needed this one, Safari would quit on my banks website, now I can pay those bills.

lazyrighteye
Dec 22, 2007, 05:25 PM
Updated.

After reboot, my MacBook (2.16 C2D) hung on grey screen for ~5 minutes.
I finally unplugged a 4 GB nano (the only thing connected to the 'Book, save power supply) and the darker grey Apple logo instantly popped up in the center of the screen, followed by the Login screen.

Logged in.
Nothing seems snapier and my iPhone update (cough - Disk Mode - cough) still isn't here. :p

--edit--

I just realized other user experienced the same prolonged grey screen that I described. And I think they were also running MacBooks.
Did any of you "grey screeners" have any peripherals connected?

bslax28
Dec 22, 2007, 06:25 PM
i had a usb wireless mouse connected. still shouldn't happen though.

Stridder44
Dec 22, 2007, 06:28 PM
Installed fine. I would be happier about Safari and all if I hadn't of just tried out the new Firefox 3 (beta 2). Flash actually runs smooth with it! It's incredible.

surripere
Dec 22, 2007, 06:41 PM
This update also hung my computer (I left it at the blue screen for about a half hour before heading for the on/off button). I had a USB mouse connected, but I disconnected it about 15 minutes into the hang.

I did a safe boot, only logon process was itunes helper, unchecked that.

Everything seems fine on restart, the update shows as installed.

akadmon
Dec 22, 2007, 06:55 PM
My Mac Pro (running Leopard) would not boot up after installing this update. Would just sit on the :apple: logo. Had to do a hard reset 3 times before it finally got unstuck.

foffster
Dec 22, 2007, 07:42 PM
I still can't browse around on IMDB.com. This happened after the first update, and is still a problem after the second one...

kcmac
Dec 22, 2007, 07:55 PM
I still can't browse around on IMDB.com. This happened after the first update, and is still a problem after the second one...
That's odd. Works fine here. So did both updates.

ckurowic
Dec 22, 2007, 08:07 PM
After this installation, core image related items are MUCH smoother than before. I'm not sure what is going on, but now when I minimize windows, its like I'm running tiger again (very very smooth). Hopefully they stay that way!



1.6GHz G5 Radeon 9600 Pro 256MB vRAM

Elijahg
Dec 22, 2007, 08:50 PM
After this installation, core image related items are MUCH smoother than before. I'm not sure what is going on, but now when I minimize windows, its like I'm running tiger again (very very smooth). Hopefully they stay that way!


Yeah! They've smoothed out on my 3Ghz Quad Mac Pro too, they were not smooth at all at 10.5.0 or 10.5.1.
Thanks Apple :D

M!K
Dec 22, 2007, 09:30 PM
I don't use Safari, so I would know. All I know is that I had to install a security update again. But no biggy.

may i ask you why you're not using Safari? it simply is the best web browser. And the interface is awesome.

SavageMac
Dec 22, 2007, 10:23 PM
Safari sucks anyway I never use it. Firefox is way better.

pz

surripere
Dec 22, 2007, 10:26 PM
may i ask you why you're not using Safari? it simply is the best web browser. And the interface is awesome.

Except that it hangs for 20 seconds on every website I try to open? Firefox does not.

Safari remains extremely buggy.

Apple Corps
Dec 22, 2007, 10:34 PM
The second security release hung my G4 iMac 17" flat panel running Leopard for over 30 minutes. Power switch off to the rescue - restarted w/o issues that I know of. This is the first problem I have had with an update in a long time.

7on
Dec 22, 2007, 11:33 PM
Aha! I knew I wasn't crazy!

alosii
Dec 23, 2007, 12:10 AM
No problems on my Powerbook G4 @1.67 Mac OS 10.5.1 :)

JFreak
Dec 23, 2007, 12:37 AM
I'm glad they fixed this. I actually had to use Firefox once, because Safari crashed every time when I tried to download a Canon scanner driver. Oh well, let's hope this restart fixes it.

morphineseason
Dec 23, 2007, 01:03 AM
Updated both my iMac 1.83 Core Duo (Running Tiger 10.4.11) and my 2.2 SR Core 2 Duo Macbook (running Leopard 10.5.1) just fine. The iMac only took slightly longer to display the Apple on the load screen, but not much longer than past experiences with updates. The Macbook loaded almost instantly (like normal).

Any update that makes Safari crash less is fine by me!

Am3822
Dec 23, 2007, 02:26 AM
I've read this thread carefully, and I couldn't find the answer -- what is the difference between the two version of the security update? My rarely-used Safari accesses IMDB.com just fine as it is.

psychofreak
Dec 23, 2007, 02:34 AM
I've read this thread carefully, and I couldn't find the answer -- what is the difference between the two version of the security update? My rarely-used Safari accesses IMDB.com just fine as it is.

The first one just didn't address the issues as well as Apple hoped...the second hopefully perfected it :)

mark88
Dec 23, 2007, 05:05 AM
This update sucks. After reboot I kept getting the setup assistant, now when I do get into Leopard on both my Imac and macbook it's giving my the spinning ball all over the place.

DaBrain
Dec 23, 2007, 08:40 AM
This update sucks. After reboot I kept getting the setup assistant, now when I do get into Leopard on both my Imac and macbook it's giving my the spinning ball all over the place.

Ran update on both tiger 10.4.11 and Leopard 10.5.1 with no problems on an original iMac Intel Core Duo.

Not sure why others have issues, but I always repair permissions before and after any updates. Been doing that for almost 2 years now and never experienced a problem. Yeah I know many say permissions don't mean squat. BUT, all I know is that my experience in doing so has been very positive.

There's also many variables involved, like hacks, poorly written programs, memory issues, hard drive issues etc..........

I just know from my personal experience Apple updates for me have been smooth and just work for the last 2 years!

Only thing I wish for is for Apple to fix the permissions speed issue in Leopard. In Tiger it flies, in Leopard it just sits there for about 10 minutes before slowwwww progress begins. Total time in Leopard to run permissions for me is about 18 minutes and in Tiger about 2 minutes if that.

benoitgphoto
Dec 23, 2007, 10:00 AM
Updated.

After reboot, my MacBook (2.16 C2D) hung on grey screen for ~5 minutes.
I finally unplugged a 4 GB nano (the only thing connected to the 'Book, save power supply) and the darker grey Apple logo instantly popped up in the center of the screen, followed by the Login screen.

Logged in.
Nothing seems snapier and my iPhone update (cough - Disk Mode - cough) still isn't here. :p

--edit--

I just realized other user experienced the same prolonged grey screen that I described. And I think they were also running MacBooks.
Did any of you "grey screeners" have any peripherals connected?


Yes...with an Ipod Nano 3G plugged in the Apple dock to USB port. The Apple logo only appears and the computer boots once I unplug the Nano.
I have a Mini CD. But that thing occur for a while and in Tiger way before I installed Leopard. Nothing to do with this last update.

ckurowic
Dec 23, 2007, 12:03 PM
Doh! Okay, the menus are back to being a little choppy. Great. For some reason, they were silky smooth when I was running SixtyForce (N64 emulator). How much sense does that make? Oh well.

akadmon
Dec 23, 2007, 04:54 PM
My Mac Pro (running Leopard) would not boot up after installing this update. Would just sit on the :apple: logo. Had to do a hard reset 3 times before it finally got unstuck.

From reading some other posts whee ppl reported similar problems booting up after the update, it seems that the reason in my case was that I had a video camera hooked up to my mac via FW. That the OS can't deal with this after an update is plain lame :eek:

vohdoun
Dec 23, 2007, 08:25 PM
I still can't browse around on IMDB.com. This happened after the first update, and is still a problem after the second one...

It hasn't fixed the crashing on imdb.com either for me. I can browse it fine, but if I click back several times fast. It eventually beachballs then crashes.

Mindflux
Dec 23, 2007, 08:33 PM
Installed it, sat at the twirling 'wait' symbol forever before hard powering off the machine. Installed it from a dmg file and got the same thing..

extensor
Dec 23, 2007, 11:00 PM
But....but...but Apple makes the best software on the market...they...my world has been shattered. :rolleyes:

Seriously though. The concept of QC at Apple is a joke. How many times has this happened over the last 5 years? Not saying the competition is better. The latest work around for an IE patch is to have people dive into the registry... :rolleyes: Just that Apple's rep perpetuated by its fanbase leads to the conclusion that they are 1337....if so this crap shouldn't be happening. If not then people better stop putting them on a pedestal. Pick your poison.

Since when does making the best software equal making perfect software? The real joke here is your post.

madmax_2069
Dec 23, 2007, 11:43 PM
Apple needs to get their act together and make safari allot better then it is, they also need to get the ball rolling on getting java up to date, or hand it back to Sun to get it up to date for Apple (cause Apple isnt doing the job, cause someone needs to). Apple needs to kick Adobe in the butt for having a very un-optimized flash player for Mac (PPC or Intel).

the reason People prefer firefox (on windows or OS X) or IE over safari is cause they are more compatible and work allot better. if Apple actually spent time with safari to get it right then maybe more people would use it, until then People are going to stay away from safari.

Apple has made safari allot better then what it was, but they could have done allot more to it then what they have done so far.

imdb.com works fine for me (it just gets choked and slow with all of the Ad's and whatnot on the site), i spent a few hours surfing around on it and going back with no ill effect. i have not seen that many crashes with safari, the main issues i have is performance issues that should not be there, like a long beachball wile trying to go to a site, or when its loading a site ( it totally locks safari up until its done having its fit). or scrolling on a site and a flash ad makes safari choke when it shows the ad.

when i can take a 500mhz celeron compaq with 128mb ram running XP pro using firefox or IE and outperform my DA 533 on any site, is just retarded. the performance should almost be the same, but its far from it.

markadog
Dec 24, 2007, 08:47 AM
Safari 3 used to balk at yahoo's newest home page, and quit when using their 'yellow pages' like search box. Immediately following the update, all that bad behavior quit and Safari is stable again.

blindzero
Dec 24, 2007, 09:58 AM
Safari is still locking up on my MBP whenever I check Webmail. Started around the same time the keyboard started locking. Keyboard SEEMS fixed. Safari not for me.

Have to use Opera.

Data
Dec 24, 2007, 11:00 AM
Updated my macbook and have had no problems what so ever.

webandflow
Dec 24, 2007, 10:01 PM
My Intuos3 was working fine until V 1.1 came along.

I'm not happy.

I think I found a temporary fix on Wacom's site. How does THAT happen?

Little Endian
Dec 25, 2007, 06:35 AM
Safari is still crashing for me even after the update. I am still experiencing crashes when using TD Ameritrade and my University of Hawaii student website. The problems I am encountering in Safari are by far the worst that I have seen in quite some time.

madmax_2069
Dec 25, 2007, 06:48 AM
anyone tried webkit, you can submit a bug to them and they at least listen to you and try to help to track the issue and resolve it. unlike Apple and telling you to update to Leopard ( or a newer version of something instead of looking into it and seeing why it does it) cause so and so was fixed in the newer version. Apple has gave me the run around a few times trying to get them to fix a issue ( incompatibility's) with safari on a given web site. saying they dont see any issues or to update to leopard.

come on Apple fix your App's and make them work like they should, or is this how they are suppose to work.

with the faster and more powerful hardware out today Apple's App's are becoming more and more bloated and resource hogging then ever, and you wont see most of the bloat and hogging cause your Mac powers threw it (most of the times). wile a slower system chokes on it. it goes to show you they put less effort into optimizing any given App cause of the newer systems speed and power (and the cycle continues). cause to people with these new Mac's they see the App as running normal ( or close to it), when its really hogging and being bloated more then what it should. Yea most is due to new features, but that should not give Apple a excuse to not properly optimize their software.

lkrupp
Dec 25, 2007, 02:07 PM
I don't use Safari, so I would know. All I know is that I had to install a security update again. But no biggy.

Safari isn't the only application affected by this revised update. Every Apple application that accesses the internet or renders html uses WebKit. This would include Mail, iTunes, iWeb. The issue was in WebKit, not Safari.

Pretso
Dec 25, 2007, 09:56 PM
I have an old G4 tower with a CPU upgrade. The update sat at the rotating
gray screen, then started to boot. However, a dialog box popped up with a message about permissions being wrong on some startup items (I've seen this before, I think it has to do with Retrospect). I told it to go ahead and do it as I always do. It now does not boot at all, the screen stays mostly black (sometimes some weird "almost-black" patterns show up). I cannot use 'C' to boot from the Tiger Install CD, nor option to get it into single-user mode. I've disconnected all FW and USB connectors except the keyboard and mouse.

Any assistance would be appreciated.

Maccus Aurelius
Dec 26, 2007, 03:16 PM
Despite the slight speed deficit, I've pretty much gone full FireFox and even deleted Safari from my system. Not much point in going back since the extensions and features have spoiled me rotten.

As for repairing permissions before updates, I used to do that, until the last Quicktime update broke that function.

mgguy
Dec 26, 2007, 11:08 PM
I just installed 10.4.11 upgrade with Safari 3 after several failed attempts. It finally completed download on Software Update and asked me to restart, which I did. Funny thing is, I have noticed absolutely no difference in the look or functionality of Safari 3 vs. 2. I checked the "get info" on Safari to verify that it is indeed version 3, but it performs identical to version 2. The Safari preference options are identical to before... Isn't there supposed to be a noticeable change from the upgrade? Is it possible that my upgrade didn't really complete itself, so that it is labeled in the "get info" as upgrade but not really completely so? I was hoping to get something new and stunning out of all of this, but maybe its too subtle for me to appreciate at this point.