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iDAG
Jan 16, 2008, 05:16 PM
Now that there is a new Apple Ultra Portable, will 12 inch PowerBook users upgrade to the MacBook Air?

EDIT: Please explain why you do or don't think it is a good replacement.



notengolegs
Jan 16, 2008, 05:18 PM
Sure, considering that the latest 12" Aluminum PowerBook sold for $1,699 when it came out.

bektravels
Jan 16, 2008, 05:25 PM
Now that there is a new Apple Ultra Portable, will 12 inch PowerBook users upgrade to the MacBook Air?

It's a no from me. I'd like to upgrade my 12" powerbook, but not to a MBA. Bottom line: The PB suits my needs, MBA doesn't.

iDAG
Jan 16, 2008, 05:25 PM
It's a no from me. I'd like to upgrade my 12" powerbook, but not to a MBA. Bottom line: The PB suits my needs, MBA doesn't.

What don't you like about it?

djellison
Jan 16, 2008, 05:27 PM
It's not ANY sort of replacement for the 12" PB, let alone a good one.

A replacement for the 12"PB should be a 12" MBP. Proper, large HDD, Firewire, Optical Drive, Discreet graphics.

The PB range (and the MBP range) are a productivity tool. The MBA is a lifestyle product.

Doug

Queso
Jan 16, 2008, 05:27 PM
What don't you like about it?
For me it's the small storage capacity, the unexpandable memory, the lack of FireWire port and that you can't carry two batteries around and swap them when one is depleted. All things the PB12" has.

marchingant4
Jan 16, 2008, 05:36 PM
Its funny that this thread came up, because my 12" pb died a week ago and I was waiting on mwsf to see what to get. Honestly, I like the macbook air and I can see where it fits into the market, but its just not for me. I don't need a computer that THAT thin, the macbook would do fine. I was really holding out for a 13.3" macbook pro with standalone graphics and a >2.0ghz c2d. Oh well, I guess al 12" pb lovers were holding out for a reincarnated verson, and while I don't think the macbook air is a bad computer, I wouldn't choose it to replace my pb.

TimJim
Jan 16, 2008, 05:37 PM
I think it is. Similar screen size, same idea when both were launched.

a MB or a MBA are good replacements for a 12" PB

taylorwilsdon
Jan 16, 2008, 05:39 PM
Hell to the no. Its a good replacement to the clamshell. Form over substance is a big no no.

Polish97
Jan 16, 2008, 05:49 PM
Everyone wants what they had and more...

...but do you use all that you have?

The key to this ultramobile is the accessories. If you buy the $1800 config, expect to by:

- $20 USB Hub (for the mouse you like, 3G connection, etc)
- $30 ethernet dongle - For speedy intercation with the network at job.
- $250 80GB iPod Classic - For the 45GB of music and videos you have.

It's missing firewire, optical drive, and what 5lbs.

Give specifics to it's short comings to you, and why. There maybe better and cheaper solutions to your problems the MBA might solve.

bektravels
Jan 16, 2008, 06:04 PM
What don't you like about it?

It's not that I don't like it. I just don't think it'll suit my day-to-day use as well as my PB still does.

The PB is my secondary computer, but I still need a dvd drive/burner, I need firewire and ideally 2 usb ports. Otherwise the MBA sounds fine (and would be easier to lug around on my push bike).

iMpathetic
Jan 16, 2008, 06:07 PM
I'd say to stick with the PB as long as you possibly can. My old language arts teacher had an 867MHz that had a broken hinge, five dents, and one RAM slot broken but still refused to get a new computer. Now that's devotion.

I think that the 4:3 ratio actually makes a computer feel tidier and smaller, IMHO. If that's gonna be your second computer, you'll do fine with it.

Ryox
Jan 16, 2008, 06:10 PM
The MBA is not for me. Personally I need a bit more from my note books.
As a replacement, in my opinion its good, but not good enough. I love the light thin design but not so drawn to it because of the lack of power

CrackedButter
Jan 16, 2008, 06:13 PM
The MB is the best replacement for the 12" PB, I had a 12" PB and upgraded from it to a MB.

bektravels
Jan 16, 2008, 06:13 PM
I'd say to stick with the PB as long as you possibly can. My old language arts teacher had an 867MHz that had a broken hinge, five dents, and one RAM slot broken but still refused to get a new computer. Now that's devotion.

I love a beat up powerbook - it adds character... Mine has a nice upward bend on the front/bottom left from when I dropped it from shoulder height. Bet the MBA couldn't take that :p

hakuryuu
Jan 16, 2008, 06:32 PM
I say yes, but only for people who don't want it for productivity. If all you need it for is music, the occasional ripped movie, internet(browsing/email), and maybe even some photoshop it is fine. As long as you don't do video editing(firewire is killer here for connecting to cameras and storage) or need constant access to a disc, it would be perfect. But no doubt it is limited compared to an MB or MBP for productivity purposes. I myself may get one for my wife(not any time soon though, she won't allow herself to get a new laptop until her current windows one which is less than a year old dies.. plus I want to get a Mac Pro) who never does anything strenuous or disc based with her laptop.

HLdan
Jan 16, 2008, 06:42 PM
Sure, considering that the latest 12" Aluminum PowerBook sold for $1,699 when it came out.

Actually it was $1799, same as the Air.

HLdan
Jan 16, 2008, 06:50 PM
Well, I voted that the Air is the perfect replacement of the 12" Powerbook, here's why:

When the 12" Powerbook came out it fit the needs of what was going on or was about to happen in the industry of computing. It was a small form factor for the business class.
It had an option for a Superdrive and burning DVD's was relatively new at the time. It was a pro model in the sense of the aluminum because it was the first full aluminum notebook along with the 17" and it had an option for wireless since wireless was still relatively new.

The Air is the perfect replacement because it fits the needs of what's going on or about to happen in the industry of computing. It's fully wireless, it's sooo wireless that it will even read the optical drive of another computer to install software wirelessly.

It fits the business class very well in terms of size and speed. It's still aluminum. It has an option for a Superdrive, it finally has the backlit keyboard (missing on the 12" PB), it has extensive trackpad touch capabilities and it runs two of the best OS's natively which makes it even better for anyone, it has more ram than the 12" Powerbook could even max out at.

dentedG4
Jan 16, 2008, 06:53 PM
I love a beat up powerbook - it adds character... Mine has a nice upward bend on the front/bottom left from when I dropped it from shoulder height. Bet the MBA couldn't take that :p
Mine has the bend on the front right corner:rolleyes: I definitely do not think it is a good replacement for my 12 incher. Requisites for this title would have to be dedicated graphics, superdrive and latest processor. Basically, I want a MBP 13 inch ~$1500. That's the sweet spot.

meagain
Jan 16, 2008, 06:53 PM
iDAG - if you've been here the last 2 days, you should know that your question/poll is moot. That the contingent here would vote down the MBA no matter what you compared it to - be it a pencil, rock, or soda can.

Roba
Jan 16, 2008, 06:55 PM
I am still hoping for one day for a fully functional 12-13 Pro notebook that would be speced along the lines of the specs that djellison mentioned already.

thejadedmonkey
Jan 16, 2008, 07:08 PM
If the MBA had firewire, a 2nd USB port, and ethernet, it would be the PERFECT replacement for the MacBook.

It's lacking almost every port imaginable, however, so it won't work for anyone who just wants a desktop replacement.

If it won't work as a desktop replacement, it'll never work for the pro crowd..

So, that leaves us with the consumerist who's no more advanced then your average tween. My dad, for one, would see it, think it looks wicked cool, never ever know what firewire is.. and get it.

Actually, most people probably would. Heck, I would, if I could afford it.

and then he'd have to get another mac when he finds out he can't use his camcorder with it...

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tdhurst
Jan 16, 2008, 07:32 PM
I am a proud owner of a 1.5ghz, 12" powerbook and the MBA is most decidedly NOT a worthy replacement for me.

I use my powerbook as my main (okay, only) machine and replacing it with a macbook air severely reduces the functionality I would have. Part of the reason I've always like Apple laptops is that you get full featured machines in a portable form.

HOWEVER, if I was also an iMac or Mac Pro (or powermac G5) owner, the MBA would most assuredly be my next purchase, as I would have my desktop to rely on.

That being said, the MacBook Air is not a bad machine, it's just a niche machine. It's great at what it does (satisfy a hefty chunk of most computer users' needs in a lightweight, easily transportable case), but nothing more.

Very cool, but I'll be looking more at the MacBooks when it's time to replace my baby.

tdhurst
Jan 16, 2008, 07:34 PM
The PB range (and the MBP range) are a productivity tool. The MBA is a lifestyle product.

Doug

Perfectly said here.

I think the Macbook Air is the laptop version of the iPod touch. Has some of the cool, high end features, but sacrifices others.

Looks awesome though.

bc008
Jan 16, 2008, 08:04 PM
i would say no.
take that same money and buy a blackbook for a lot less

EvryDayImShufln
Jan 16, 2008, 09:02 PM
I think it would depend what said person used the powerbook 12 inch for. If you just appreciate the small form factor to carry around, take notes, work on documents, etc, I think the Macbook Air is great. I mean you can't complain about it's performance: it's still probably 6x faster than those slow-as-hell G4 chips.

But if you needed a full feature computer, then the MBA would not cut it since it obviously lacks certain things. In my opinion, though, I do not use firewire and I plug everything in into 1 single USB port and use external speakers as well. I could see myself using it as my main computer, only if they put a bigger (160 gig) hard drive into it.

DGaio
Jan 16, 2008, 09:19 PM
Unfortunately, being thin does not equal ultra-portable. The footprint is still to big. If it was a 12", I'm sure many would stop complaining, and would start seeing some value in the Macbook Air.

ClassicMac247
Jan 16, 2008, 09:23 PM
Would youu be interested in selling the PB to me, I'm looking for one, please message me asap.

Justinerator
Jan 16, 2008, 09:55 PM
yes and no. but mainly no. but i voted yes. but mainly no.

Being that the powerbook is no longer available, and the mba is out at the same price as the powerbook when it was out, i would vote, yes. but mainly say no. :D

heatmiser
Jan 16, 2008, 10:57 PM
The MB is the best replacement for the 12" PB, I had a 12" PB and upgraded from it to a MB.

Love it when someone types my thoughts. The MB is a better replacement for the 12" PB than the MBA will ever be.

lord patton
Jan 16, 2008, 11:29 PM
yes and no. but mainly no. but i voted yes. but mainly no.

Being that the powerbook is no longer available, and the mba is out at the same price as the powerbook when it was out, i would vote, yes. but mainly say no. :D

post of the day. lol thank you.

djellison
Jan 17, 2008, 02:13 AM
What does the price have to do with it? Because it's about the same price as the old 12"PB then it's a good replacement for it? That's nuts. You could pick anything that costs about the same ( a different brand of laptop, just over 100,000 penny sweets, a nice three piece suite for the living room) and say it's a good replacement because, after all, it costs about the same :)

The MBA is an interesting thing, it's a funky thing, it's a trendy thing..but it's not a particularly able machine.

The MBA should be considered the opposite 'side' of the Macbook from the MBP. It's a Macbook 'lite'. That table that goes MB, MBA, MBP is missleading. That's just the cost order, nothing to do with the machines themselves. It's not designed as, nor could anyone possibly consider it to be anything like a replacement for any of the PB range.

Before - there was 12" and 14" ibook, 12", 15", 17" PB.

Now we have MBA, MB, MIA, MBP, MBP

The 12" PB is still missing in action.


Doug

Prometheus101
Jan 17, 2008, 06:07 AM
I think it is a great replacement for the 12 inch because i allways found the keboard hard to type on because the edge was so close to the keys, also the are heeps of performance gains from the old 12er

Fimo
Jan 17, 2008, 06:29 AM
Undecided right now, I want to see one in person before I decide whether to upgrade from my current 12" PB G4.

On a side note I wish they will put the ambient light sensor on a MB keyboard as well!

iDAG
Jan 17, 2008, 05:28 PM
Yeah, I wonder what peoples reactions will be once they see one in person.