macs and huntington beach

[jefhatfield]

i love it when somebody tells me the real dirt on my town without knowing anything so i made a stupid promise about telling someone here on another post my "expert" take on huntintgon beach, ca

first of all, i will say this...i have only visited huntington beach twice...once 25 years ago and once 17 years ago

i went to college in southern california but that does not bring me closer to being a native or know the work life

"huntington beach, ca...jefhatfield's take..he he

my guess is that it is a surfer town because the beach boys said it was, so i assume that there are a lot of bleached blond surfers who are rich kids so they don't work

all their parents work at trw because the movie "falcon and the snowman" showed people work for trw and the movie did not show any other company there so i believe that the area is mostly republican due to trw's bid in the defense industry

i know that punk rock is popular down there and that there are a lot of skinheads who are the most violent in los angeles because henry rollins of black flag, a punk band, said so and the skinheads always like to wreck his shows

and i made these observations on things i saw on tv and the little exposure about southern california i had during college"

ps - huntington beach, ca? there is more than just one huntington beach in the usa so if i got the city name right but the state wrong, disregard this post

[eyelikeart]

hey jef...I just gotta ask...

u have lots o' knowledge of california and it's vast differences between cities...

but have u ever been anywhere else outside of california?? ;)

[Mr. Anderson]

Originally posted by jefhatfield
i love it when somebody tells me the real dirt on my town without knowing anything so i made a stupid promise about telling someone here on another post my "expert" take on huntintgon beach, ca

Oh, this made me laugh, good one jefhatfield. Could you do me a favor and post the other thread where the other party told you about your town, it should add to the entertainment value.

[jefhatfield]

Originally posted by eyelikeart
hey jef...I just gotta ask...

u have lots o' knowledge of california and it's vast differences between cities...

but have u ever been anywhere else outside of california?? ;)

i have been on two short vacations to japan, one to hawaii, one to d.c., and i went to london for a semester abroad in college so while i have a lot of miles, i really only know northern california

so i am a northern california boy, i mean middle aged man, and have worked since age 14 and now i work in the IT/IS field

and i love outsider's takes on life and work in my home area of silicon valley...and i love those idiots who get a degree and think that they will be the ceo of intel because a piece of paper says they are smart

...only to get kicked out just as fast because theyza all thoughts thats being edumacated could teach dem all 'bout puters from dem tick textbooks:D

[jefhatfield]

Originally posted by dukestreet


Oh, this made me laugh, good one jefhatfield. Could you do me a favor and post the other thread where the other party told you about your town, it should add to the entertainment value.

i am the famous neutral person on macrumors and that would be mean since it would reveal who they are

my leader spikey would not hesitate for a second to rat someone out and beech slap them...but that is not my style

a couple of outsiders tried to tell me their secret for success in silicon valley, ca and it was the craziest thing i have ever heard but since silicon valley used to be in the news a lot, people have their opinions which, unless they were raised here and work here in IT/IS, are just speculation

this is meant to be a funny thread and a way to make peace with all those involved

;)

[eyelikeart]

I hear u completely on the getting a degree and thinking u are going to take over the world...

when I was in tech school for graphic design I thought for sure that once I was out I'd land a $35,000 a year job right away...and move my way up within a few years...

well it's been 2.5 years since I got out...and I haven't even achieved that status as of yet...

nothing like the "real world" to bitch slap u back into reality...he he he

I'd be happy as hell to inform u all on the lifestyle (or lackthereof...depending upon how u see it) of New Orleans...but I just don't see too many instances where that information would be even remotely useful...

so jef...Alpha & I were discussing the idea of starting a new "coalition" to replace the Anti-Zealot campaign...something revolving around "anti-idiots"...he he he.... :p

[jefhatfield]

Originally posted by eyelikeart
I hear u completely on the getting a degree and thinking u are going to take over the world...

when I was in tech school for graphic design I thought for sure that once I was out I'd land a $35,000 a year job right away...and move my way up within a few years...

well it's been 2.5 years since I got out...and I haven't even achieved that status as of yet...

nothing like the "real world" to bitch slap u back into reality...he he he

I'd be happy as hell to inform u all on the lifestyle (or lackthereof...depending upon how u see it) of New Orleans...but I just don't see too many instances where that information would be even remotely useful...

so jef...Alpha & I were discussing the idea of starting a new "coalition" to replace the Anti-Zealot campaign...something revolving around "anti-idiots"...he he he.... :p

you, alpha, rower, and me are all in the computer field or computer graphics field...so we could start a real world computer techie and user guild to counteract those outside of the world of computing for a living

when a student or non-industry working person tries to tell me what i do "day in and day out" in silicon valley, it is truly laughable

and least you don't see me seriously trying to gauge anywhere else..he he

[eyelikeart]

Originally posted by jefhatfield


you, alpha, rower, and me are all in the computer field or computer graphics field...so we could start a real world computer techie and user guild to counteract those outside of the world of computing for a living

when a student or non-industry working person tries to tell me what i do "day in and day out" in silicon valley, it is truly laughable

and least you don't see me seriously trying to gauge anywhere else..he he

I am of the belief that u are an intelligent person who wouldn't try and claim to know what they know nothing of...in other words...I agree..he he he

so what are we going to call ourselves?? the fantastic 4?? :rolleyes: :p

[mischief]

War On Stupidity.

Common sense Coalition.


Anti-dip**** bregade.:D

[Mr. Anderson]

Originally posted by jefhatfield


you, alpha, rower, and me are all in the computer field or computer graphics field

ahem!

I've got over 12 years experience here, tech and graphics. No 5th musketeer me!:D

[eyelikeart]

Originally posted by dukestreet
ahem!

I've got over 12 years experience here, tech and graphics. No 5th musketeer me!:D

so then the thing to do is we become the "founding fathers" and then we will recruit to join our forces....dukestreet will be the very first to join up...he he he

will mischief be coming along for the ride?? he gets off on kicking it on the dumb@sses I know...he he he :p

[mischief]

Both I and The Wookie have been looking at doing Mac IT support in the Bay Area and Monterey so if you wanna start something local jef, let me know. :cool:

[Rower_CPU]

Originally posted by jefhatfield
you, alpha, rower, and me are all in the computer field or computer graphics field...so we could start a real world computer techie and user guild to counteract those outside of the world of computing for a living

when a student or non-industry working person tries to tell me what i do "day in and day out" in silicon valley, it is truly laughable

and least you don't see me seriously trying to gauge anywhere else..he he

Hmmm...I already started my "antidisestablishmentariansim" campaign as a spoof of the anti-zealot campaing, but as the membership stands at a whopping "1" member I'd be willing to jump ship.

How about "The Macsketeers"? All for one, and one for all? Too cheesy?

[Edit] Duke! You beat me to it!

[Mr. Anderson]

Originally posted by Rower_CPU

How about "The Macsketeers"? All for one, and one for all? Too cheesy?

Then we'd need to learn to dance and sing the theme song, nope, not for me. And the uniform? Ooh, theres a good idea, how about once you we all settle on a name I could make up an animated avatar showing us smashing dumb@sses into line, maybe in different colors. Put up a united front.

Macusers United Front Against ....

MUFAS (Stupidity)
MUFAI (Idiots)
MUFAD (Dumb@sses)
MUFFI (Macusers United Front For Integrity):D

[jelloshotsrule]

haha. i wonder how all you pros are able to be posting so much in the middle of the day. i mean, i'm a sad sack student so i have time, but you guys should be IT'ing it up. (or whatever other job youns might have). ha

now that i think about it, my malcolm in the middle episode awaits!

[mischief]

Open 6 apps, Post, Draft, Post, Render, Post.......etc..:D

[jelloshotsrule]

ha if i were smart i'd at least have word open so i could write some while waiting for others to post... but. alas. i am such a sack of crap.

i need/would like to get another 5-7 pages written in the next 3 hours... hmm. i'm dumb

[eyelikeart]

Originally posted by mischief
Open 6 apps, Post, Draft, Post, Render, Post.......etc..:D

same here...

5 apps open...post...task...read...IM...task...fax...
phone...coffee...IM...email...

I could go on & on...he he he ;) :p

[Rower_CPU]

Originally posted by dukestreet


Then we'd need to learn to dance and sing the theme song, nope, not for me. And the uniform? Ooh, theres a good idea, how about once you we all settle on a name I could make up an animated avatar showing us smashing dumb@sses into line, maybe in different colors. Put up a united front.

Macusers United Front Against ....

MUFAS (Stupidity)
MUFAI (Idiots)
MUFAD (Dumb@sses)
MUFFI (Macusers United Front For Integrity):D

Sounds too much like the "Life of Brian" (People's Liberation Front, Front for People's Liberation, etc). We might have too many factions and splinter groups sapping the strength of our coalition...:rolleyes:

Besides, a cool group name has to have a "wordlike" acronym...MUFFI comes close, but it's too preppy for me. :p

Maybe just MUF (Macusers United Front)...

[mischief]

Macrumors Pie and Seltzer Squad!!

or

International Coelition of Poop-Monkey Ranchers.

[Rower_CPU]

Originally posted by mischief
...International Coelition of Poop-Monkey Ranchers.

Hmmm...monkeys and poop, there's something innately and undeniably funny about that.

Maybe a variant of that theme...simian dung...primate feces...

[jelloshotsrule]

all this poop monkey talk reminds me of seeing the gorillas in zoos catching their own piss in their hands and tossing their crap around... it's amusing to see, but the smell leaves something to be desired.

[jefhatfield]

i actually thought about it...the non-IT people who theorize about us working IT people are not really stupid at all...one goes to a great university and the other is a lawyer

it is more a question of ignorance, which we all have on some topics

thus my ignorant "rant" about huntington beach, ca

and i don't even know if it is that "huntington" beach where he is from...it was just me trying to display how ignorant we can all look at times

this rumors board has turned into the non-IT people versus the IT people working and getting paid in the real world of IT...but at least the students in high school and college who study IT will soon find out how different the real IT world is from what the professors dish out in computer science class

and being a computer science teacher myself, i work hard at tyring not to fall into the computer theory trap...and at the same time, try not to bore the living *** out of the students with real life examples

the IT field is tedious, boring, and sometimes very frustratingly difficult at times

i just told a fellow IT person, at lunch today, that if all the IT students could work one real day in the world of IT, 75 percent of them would change majors

thus goes the world of IT...it just isn't that exciting:(

[jelloshotsrule]

well i'm not an IT person. but i don't consider myself to be in competition or at odds with IT people on here or elsewhere.

heck, if anything i can learn the stuff i DON'T know from you guys cause you have that much more experience in the specifics of the computer and such, while you can learn things in terms of graphics and stuff from folks like me (perhaps you haven't, but you COULD. haha).

that's just my take though...

[eyelikeart]

while I'm not a tech by any stretch...I am a: production artist, graphic designer, small network tech for my company, hardware fixer (in most cases), software troubleshooter, problem solver...etc, etc...

a "jack of all trades" type of u will?

I have no degree in IT except for my Associate's in Graphic Design...but I have lots of hands-on/real world experience...

I know I could learn a hell of a lot more things....and I want to...but there are only so many hours in the day...I am hopefully going to become Apple Certified like AlphaTech one day...I cannot afford it on my own and my company (believe it or not) won't pay for it...

I do, however, very much appreciate being catagorized with jefhatfield, Alpha & company at the moment though...it's good to know I've got something going for me...he he he ;)

[jefhatfield]

Originally posted by jelloshotsrule
well i'm not an IT person. but i don't consider myself to be in competition or at odds with IT people on here or elsewhere.

heck, if anything i can learn the stuff i DON'T know from you guys cause you have that much more experience in the specifics of the computer and such, while you can learn things in terms of graphics and stuff from folks like me (perhaps you haven't, but you COULD. haha).

that's just my take though...

the way computer graphics are still in the stone age, you have to learn a lot of computer maintenance stuff to keep things running

wouldn't it be nice to touch an on button, do your graphics, and when you finish just hit the off button

but as you know and my wife, who is a mac graphics artist, the computer does all these weird things and she, as well as all other artists i met on computers, have to troubleshoot so much they have become...like it or not...techs or techies

and many companies have graphics people on macs but no dedicated mac tech so the artists have to be their own techies

i worked at the third most powerful company in silicon valley which was hq to hundreds of other locations of the company and even though they had 100 techies on the pc side, they had no mac techs since the company did not believe there was a need

will photoshop 7 make things smoother?

[eyelikeart]

Originally posted by jefhatfield
will photoshop 7 make things smoother?

probably not smoother...but cooler! :p

[Rower_CPU]

Originally posted by jefhatfield
will photoshop 7 make things smoother?

more lickable...?

[eyelikeart]

Originally posted by Rower_CPU


more lickable...? :p

he he he....u mean more "likable?"

[mischief]

Perhaps he is referring to the Aqua "lickable" interface comments.:p

[Rower_CPU]

Originally posted by mischief
Perhaps he is referring to the Aqua "lickable" interface comments.:p

Exactly. I've been waiting for OS X compat for a while...I'm glad it's finally here.

[jelloshotsrule]

Originally posted by jefhatfield


the way computer graphics are still in the stone age, you have to learn a lot of computer maintenance stuff to keep things running

wouldn't it be nice to touch an on button, do your graphics, and when you finish just hit the off button

but as you know and my wife, who is a mac graphics artist, the computer does all these weird things and she, as well as all other artists i met on computers, have to troubleshoot so much they have become...like it or not...techs or techies

and many companies have graphics people on macs but no dedicated mac tech so the artists have to be their own techies


oh i agree by all means... i mean, i have to troubleshoot my own comp and my family's all the time.

i guess what i meant is i wouldn't have CALLED myself a tech, as that would be a disservice to those of you who have extensive experience with big companies and otherwise. so yes, i suppose i'm a tech of sorts, i just didn't want to lower anyone else to my level. ha.

i did some troubleshooting in a company setting at a small tv commercial production company i worked at (as well as setting up a g4 based editing suite for them) but it was nothing massive and only like 3 computers... but hey, every bit helps.

[jefhatfield]

depending on what you do, if you get paid for it day in and day out, you are a professional in IT since the field of IT means different things to different people

IT/IS to me is the support people like network types and desktop techies AND the software side of Q&A and Software Development

from what i have seen with graphics professionals, they are techs in my book...basic level most of the times, but they are techies

now people who administer the networks where i go to school both happen to have master's degrees and 15-20 years of working experience and they also teach on the side and they are also techies, but on a higher level

but the highest level of this field is where all those people with master's degrees and phds in the educational research environment are necessary for tomorrow's technologies in the real world like fsm and ai (so that's where the vast majority of the experimental computing comes from...the educational institutions and these techies may not be working techies in our definition, but they will give all us real techies something to do for the future)

so the educational researchers to me are techies working for techies within IT/IS and every person has a different take on their ultimate importance

they, the researchers in the ivory tower, are no less or more important than the un-degreed 18 year old tech making 11 dollars an hour at the college lab...professionals and academics alike all have a piece of the pie we have to support

[SPG]

Huntington Beach? Damn fine chicken burritos over at Wahoo's Fish Tacos. Not too partial to their fish tacos though...go figure. Also you can usually park for free if you wait about a minute for the under 20 minute spot two doors down. Other than that there really isn't much to know about Huntington Beach, oh that and all the strippers do their banking at the Washington Mutual on Garfield for some reason.
Any other questions gentelmen?

[jelloshotsrule]

i want to get a job at one of the school labs but it either hasn't fit my schedule or for some other reason it hasnt' worked.

though i have looked further into being a teacher's assistant in a multimedia class where i'd basically sit in the comp lab and help people with various apps or other computer problems. not the same exactly but similar.

i'm not looking for a living in it, as i'm aiming for the graphics/animation/film area. but yeah, as you said, those people often have to be their own techs and such... so experience with every possible scenario helps.

[Mr. Anderson]

I go to the dentist, actually endodontist for a root canal this afternoon, and the whole topic takes a few turns, now I have to play catchup. One non subject item - codine is good!

I've been the only Mac tech person at my office for 9 years now. Even though I inherited/fell into the graphics job, I have the sole responsibility of fixing things when even the IT guys (all PC trained and certified) can't figure it out. I've got a nice setup at home too, 4 machines, one of them a PC. Its not a matter of getting a certification and piece of paper - I don't have one - to know how to fix something. Experience goes a long way sometimes.