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Jan 20, 2008, 03:48 AM
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After each major event, MacRumors provides a wrapup of rumors to reveal the sources of the most accurate (or inaccurate) information.

MacBook Air

As always, rumors closer to the event tend to be more accurate and more revealing than those in the months ahead. In this case, many of the details of the MacBook Air were spot on, though many of these details were revealed in the week leading up to the event.

Our own MacBook Air Whispers article (http://www.macrumors.com/2008/01/06/thin-macbook-specs/) confirmed some long standing details, including a 13.3" screen, external optical drive, and was the first to dub the machine the "MacBook Air". Our other hints (http://www.macrumors.com/2008/01/14/macbook-air-design-considerations/) also suggested the use of a 1.8" hard drive and an ethernet dongle due to the slim size of the upcoming laptop, and the inclusion of a multitouch trackpad (http://www.macrumors.com/2007/12/31/apple-sub-notebook-hints-external-optical-drive-multitouch-trackpad/) -- all of which also turned out to be true.

Finally, an actual description (http://www.macrumors.com/2008/01/14/thin-macbook-design-details/) of the MacBook Air leaked out the night before the Keynote on Wired's Gadget Blog, with a description of an "unbelievably thin" design with tapering edges.

Meanwhile, the longer standing rumors for the ultra-portable MacBook came from multiple sources which were summarized (http://www.macrumors.com/2007/12/10/apple-ultra-portable-macbook-rumor-roundup/) in our Ultra-portable Rumor Roundup. In the end, Appleinsider provided the most accurate description: 13", aluminum, 50% lighter, Slim, NAND Flash, LED backlit, No Optical Drive. In the end, NAND flash ended up being an optional feature, but the remainder of the report as well as long lead time made their report particularly impressive.

Of note, CNBC's rumors of the ultra-portable Mac were far less accurate, despite being a mainstream news site. CNBC's Jim Goldman had cited "a very good source" and described a 12" model with NAND Flash only at $1500 -- all of which were wrong.

Other honorable mentions include 9to5mac's "something strange about the touchpad" (http://www.macrumors.com/2007/09/21/slim-aluminum-macbooks-soon/), and MacScoop's early ultra-portable report (http://www.macrumors.com/2007/09/21/slim-aluminum-macbooks-soon/'). Also of interest is a report coming out of CrunchGear (http://www.macrumors.com/2007/07/01/multi-touch-macbooks-comming/) in October claiming that Apple would be releasing Multitouch trackpad MacBooks. Despite the wrong timeframe, with the release of a Multitouch trackpad, we should give credit to this early rumor.

Apple TV

Despite much speculation of a possible Apple TV update, few credible rumors of what to expect from an Apple TV upgrade came out in the weeks ahead of Macworld. Businessweek (http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/08_03/b4067029127747.htm?campaign_id=rss_tech) was the only one to suggest that the Apple TV would see a major upgrade but no details or timeframe was provided. CrunchGear (http://www.macrumors.com/2007/10/04/high-definition-apple-tv-content-soon/), however, did claim in that HD content was coming to the Apple TV (though they claimed October).

iTunes Rentals

FinancialTimes, Variety and Businessweek served as the major sources of information about Apple's new movie rental service. Word first leaked out (http://www.macrumors.com/2007/06/10/itunes-movie-rentals-at-2-99-for-30-days/) in June with reports that Apple was negotiating terms for iTunes movie rentals. Subsequent reports pinpointed the $3.99/24 hour rental window (http://www.macrumors.com/2007/12/29/fox-and-disney-itunes-movie-rentals-24-hours-only/) as well as the wide participation (http://www.macrumors.com/2008/01/09/warner-paramount-disney-fox-lions-gate-to-join-itunes-rentals/) of many studios.

iPhone 1.1.3

One of the biggest Apple leaks leading into this year's Macworld was the leak of the iPhone 1.1.3 firmware (http://www.macrumors.com/2007/12/28/iphone-1-1-3-features-and-screenshots/) which was revealed by GearLive. As always, the leaked video and screenshots generated the usual doubts, but it turned out to be quite accurate. This leak of pre-release firmware is the biggest Apple leak in recent history.

Meanwhile, MacScoop's (http://www.macrumors.com/2008/01/02/iphone-1-1-3-to-include-copy-paste/) widely publicized rumor that 1.1.3 would get Copy/Paste functionality turned out to be inaccurate. And CNET France's early claim (http://www.macrumors.com/2007/12/06/iphone-1-1-3-coming-soon-voice-memos-disk-mode-support/) 1.1.3 would contain Disk Mode and Voice Recording was also wrong.

Other Winners/Losers

Winners: Digitimes 13.3" LED Screens (http://www.macrumors.com/2007/12/04/apple-orders-13-3-led-backlit-screens-for-upcoming-laptop/)
Losers: Goldman Sachs Analyst: Apple TV with LCD display (http://www.macrumors.com/2007/12/12/3g-iphone-and-apple-tv-updates-in-2008/), American Technology Research Analyst: Blu Ray at Macworld (http://www.macrumors.com/2008/01/03/blu-ray-support-at-macworld-mac-pros-soon/), All "leaked" keynote claims, All "leaked" spy shots.

Summary

Dedicated Apple rumors sites such as MacRumors and Appleinsider continue to provide the most accurate look at what's to come from Apple, though an expanding number of sites are able to fill in additional details. Patent applications can certainly point the way to what Apple might be working on (multitouch) but should not be taken for granted (iMac docking station). Anonymously leaked transcripts and photos remain almost always fake.

What's to Come: MacBook Pros, Mini Tablet

In looking back at the sources of the most accurate rumors, we also find enticing reports of items that didn't come true at Macworld, but did come from credible sources.

The MacBook Pro updates are certainly coming -- and soon. Even without our rumor sources, the MacBook Pros are simply due for refresh. But the most interesting tidbit is that there have been reliable reports that the Pro machines will incorporate Apple's new multi-touch trackpad.

Given Appleinsider's accuracy with their ultra-portable report, it is increasingly likely that we will see a mini-tablet device (http://www.macrumors.com/2007/09/26/the-return-of-the-newton-apple-pda/) coming from Apple. Apple is said to be working on a multi-touch OS X device about 1.5x the size of the iPhone with a 720x480 screen. Initial reports had suggested the possibility of a Macworld launch, but was delayed (http://www.macrumors.com/2008/01/14/no-mini-tablet-at-macworld/) and may instead be seen later this year.

Article Link (http://www.macrumors.com/2008/01/20/macworld-san-francisco-2008-rumor-wrapup-winners-and-losers/)



samh004
Jan 20, 2008, 03:56 AM
What was surprising were the rumours that came out the night before, they were spot-on and must of been leaks from people setting up the stuff there. And no I can't remember where I saw them exactly, somewhere on the site, but they were right about processor etc... 1.6/1.8

aswitcher
Jan 20, 2008, 03:59 AM
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What's to Come: MacBook Pros, Mini Tablet

In looking back at the sources of the most accurate rumors, we also find enticing reports of items that didn't come true at Macworld, but did come from credible sources.

The MacBook Pro updates are certainly coming -- and soon. Even without our rumor sources, the MacBook Pros are simply due for refresh. But the most interesting tidbit is that there have been reliable reports that the Pro machines will incorporate Apple's new multi-touch trackpad.

Given Appleinsider's accuracy with their ultra-portable report, it is increasingly likely that we will see a mini-tablet device (http://www.macrumors.com/2007/09/26/the-return-of-the-newton-apple-pda/) coming from Apple. Apple is said to be working on a multi-touch OS X device about 1.5x the size of the iPhone with a 720x480 screen. Initial reports had suggested the possibility of a Macworld launch, but was delayed (http://www.macrumors.com/2008/01/14/no-mini-tablet-at-macworld/) and may instead be seen later this year.

Article Link (http://www.macrumors.com/2008/01/20/macworld-san-francisco-2008-rumor-wrapup-winners-and-losers/)

MBPs gotta have the new trackpad. I can also imagine a SSD option will come out just for pure speed, heat and battery life - and safer data.

Pad would rock. I wonder how much though given the pricing of the touch. My guess is maybe twice as much which would make it a fairly exclusive item, especially if its not running a full copy Leopard.

I wonder if CNBC actually do have a valid leak and that a 12" MB will appear, not as sleek, heavier, only 32GB SSD, less battery life, designed as a go anywhere machine with students, geeks and business people in mind. Probably just wishful thinking.

deathshrub
Jan 20, 2008, 04:04 AM
Of note, CNBC's rumors of the ultra-portable Mac were far less accurate, despite being a mainstream news site. CNBC's Jim Goldman had cited "a very good source" and described a 12" model with NAND Flash only at $1500 -- all of which were wrong.

What a shock.

joefinan
Jan 20, 2008, 04:20 AM
"The MacBook Pro updates are certainly coming -- and soon."

Really? How can they be sure of this (this is Mac RUMOURS after all....!)?

FightTheFuture
Jan 20, 2008, 04:44 AM
Really? How can they be sure of this (this is Mac RUMOURS after all....!)?

i have a feeling they will be updated to 2.6GHz with an option of 2.8GHz. much like they are now at 2.4/2.6Ghz. it'll most likely just be a speed bump and the only release note you'll get is from apple themselves (ie. the "Harpertown" Mac Pros from a few weeks ago). Dell & HP are already using the 2.8GHz chips in their higher end notebook line.

i also feel that they'll change the keyboard on the MBP. its the only product in their line that still uses the finger-grooved keys. the MacBook, MacBook Air and apple keyboard are basically all the same form. i hope it gets changed to an aluminum flat-key form! my typing speed has changed dramatically from the updated keyboard.

joefinan
Jan 20, 2008, 04:47 AM
i hope it gets changed to an aluminum flat-key form! my typing speed has changed dramatically from the updated keyboard.

So are you saying you prefer the new keyboards to the old PB/MBP keyboards?

CountPollen
Jan 20, 2008, 04:55 AM
Hi,
If you listen to what Steve says in his keynote, all macbooks will get the large trackpad: "large multi-gesture trackpad like all our other macs".
So, indeed a pretty reliable source.
Also, I hope that they will give you the option of choosing the nvidia 8800 mobile graphics card (as it is now present in the mac pro).

samh004
Jan 20, 2008, 05:05 AM
I wonder if CNBC actually do have a valid leak and that a 12" MB will appear, not as sleek, heavier, only 32GB SSD, less battery life, designed as a go anywhere machine with students, geeks and business people in mind. Probably just wishful thinking.

Didn't Steve say they went through a lot of designs before finally getting the one we have now, perhaps they were privy to one of the older designs. I'd imagine there were many many prototypes.

macduke
Jan 20, 2008, 05:06 AM
i have a feeling they will be updated to 2.6GHz with an option of 2.8GHz. much like they are now at 2.4/2.6Ghz. it'll most likely just be a speed bump and the only release note you'll get is from apple themselves (ie. the "Harpertown" Mac Pros from a few weeks ago). Dell & HP are already using the 2.8GHz chips in their higher end notebook line.

i also feel that they'll change the keyboard on the MBP. its the only product in their line that still uses the finger-grooved keys. the MacBook, MacBook Air and apple keyboard are basically all the same form. i hope it gets changed to an aluminum flat-key form! my typing speed has changed dramatically from the updated keyboard.

Well, right now the base model MBP is 2.2ghz. The 2.6 ghz option was added in the fall as a simple release note. They wouldn't do this back to back. The MBP is due for a true update. They will incorporate the multitouch trackpad because they are the top tier product. I have a feeling they will be out in a few months and also have 128gb SSD options at a ridiculous price for those professionals who want it. Also new Nvidia 9xxx series chips come out in Feb I believe. I hope that they introduce that rumored gunmetal black finish. Perhaps by then Apple can agree on Blu-Ray drives since the major studios are going that way now. Hurry up Apple I've been waiting (obsessing) for a MBP update before buying my first mac!

As a side note...anyone else enjoying the true multitouch keyboard found in the 1.1.3 update? Didn't take me any time at all to type this! My thumbs are on fire now 40+ wpm on iPhone typing test!

beetsman
Jan 20, 2008, 05:25 AM
where was the ethernet dongle that turned out to be true?

arn
Jan 20, 2008, 05:30 AM
where was the ethernet dongle that turned out to be true?

apple store:

gwarth
Jan 20, 2008, 05:31 AM
where was the ethernet dongle that turned out to be true?

http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APPLE/WebObjects/AppleStore.woa/wa/RSLID?find=ethernet%20air
This one.

Cheers,
G

aswitcher
Jan 20, 2008, 05:34 AM
apple store:

I am a bit annoyed they haven't made this dongle work with all recent Macs. Might be a handy thing to have around if a hub cant be found or a machines ethernet is playing up.

TheSpecialist
Jan 20, 2008, 05:35 AM
Interesting article. I can remember an article here on MacRumors that Apple was buying up alot of LED 13,3 inch screens, which turned out to be true. Impressive.

bobrik
Jan 20, 2008, 05:41 AM
What about Europe rumors? Remember Apple inviting European media to London to watch the keynote live, and surprisingly no Europe-specific announcement there (like EU-wide iTunes or Apple Store)? Anyone with new information about this?

aswitcher
Jan 20, 2008, 05:41 AM
Didn't Steve say they went through a lot of designs before finally getting the one we have now, perhaps they were privy to one of the older designs. I'd imagine there were many many prototypes.

In the interview I saw he said something like a hundred designs to get the MBA. So yes it could be. Still the MBA is pretty different from a 12"MBP, enough to find its own niche? Maybe not.

I think the best I can hope for is the new MBPs have
- big trackpad
- new keyboard, maybe still alu coloured but I doubt it.
- new power adapter config
- magnetic latch
- led screen update (?)

- a sleeker and slightly lighter all alu shell to replace this rather dated design
- better specs and battery life
- maybe the same micro-dvi - but since its a dual-dvi now I doubt it. Maybe they will toss in a hdmi instead
- SSD option


For those wanting the 12" I think the next MB update is your best bet if you dont like the MBA compromises. The MB should get much the same, maybe even the same micro not mini dvi to bring line consistency

illitrate23
Jan 20, 2008, 06:38 AM
- a sleeker and slightly lighter all alu shell to replace this rather dated design

i've seen a lot of people say that they _have_ to change the design of the mbp because it is so dated.... but just because it is dated, doesn't make it broken. it's still the nicest looking laptop from any manufacturer isn't it?
sure the old adage, if it ain't broke.... applies here?

that said, i'll now invalidate my above statement because from the look of the subtle changes to the ipod classic design, the shape of the ipod nano and the ipod touch, the thinner edges and angles were then replicated in the design of the Air - so i can see the MBP losing the rounded edges to get slightly more angled versions.

nitrokev
Jan 20, 2008, 06:59 AM
I wonder how many of these rumours are from actual source and how many are just people making educated guesses.

I could say that Cinema Displays will be released with built in iSights in late spring, but that doesn't make it a rumour.

Di9it8
Jan 20, 2008, 07:02 AM
it's still the nicest looking laptop from any manufacturer isn't it?
sure the old adage, if it ain't broke.... applies here?



Its interesting the MacBook Air is produced in aluminium, I guess for strength/weight/heat conductivity which is why the Powerbook/MacBook Pro design has lasted.
The cost of the flash drives, $1000 premium will come down very fast now so I think we will see the large trackpad/flashdrive/fast graphics card MBP very soon.

joemama
Jan 20, 2008, 07:23 AM
"The MacBook Pro updates are certainly coming -- and soon."

Really? How can they be sure of this (this is Mac RUMOURS after all....!)?

Yeah, this is what I want to know as well. My wife's Powerbook is down for the count, and was going to buy a MBP in the next day or so.

Should I wait, and question is, any idea (according to Apple's history) when we might see the new MPB?

MrCrowbar
Jan 20, 2008, 07:40 AM
i have a feeling they will be updated to 2.6GHz with an option of 2.8GHz. much like they are now at 2.4/2.6Ghz. it'll most likely just be a speed bump and the only release note you'll get is from apple themselves (ie. the "Harpertown" Mac Pros from a few weeks ago). Dell & HP are already using the 2.8GHz chips in their higher end notebook line.

i also feel that they'll change the keyboard on the MBP. its the only product in their line that still uses the finger-grooved keys. the MacBook, MacBook Air and apple keyboard are basically all the same form. i hope it gets changed to an aluminum flat-key form! my typing speed has changed dramatically from the updated keyboard.

Agreed. I type a lot faster on the MAcbook keys,to, also got myself the new weireless keyboard for when I hook the Macbook up to a n external display. Here's probably what you're looking for (mockup):

12" Macbook Pro
http://img237.imageshack.us/img237/4253/macbookpro1201ra4.jpg

Roller
Jan 20, 2008, 07:52 AM
I wonder if CNBC actually do have a valid leak and that a 12" MB will appear, not as sleek, heavier, only 32GB SSD, less battery life, designed as a go anywhere machine with students, geeks and business people in mind. Probably just wishful thinking.

I'd be shocked if Apple released a 12" MBP (although I'd buy one in an instant). It would just further muddy the waters in their laptop line and cannibalize sales from the MBA, which hasn't had time to gain traction (which it may never do).

I think that a multi-touch trackpad like the MBA's is a given and a new keyboard is highly likely. SSD? Maybe as a BTO option, possibly as a second drive. The problem with an SSD as the only drive is the current high premium even for a 64 GB drive, which is small for a MBP. Prices will be much lower by this time next year, I expect, but not soon enough.

Unless Apple has come up with some other case material that we haven't seen before, I think they'll stick with aluminum, maybe rounding it off a little bit. (There's a limit to what they can do and still include an optical drive, which I don't think they'll drop yet.)

leechlife
Jan 20, 2008, 08:10 AM
I think that a multi-touch trackpad like the MBA's is a given and a new keyboard is highly likely. SSD? Maybe as a BTO option, possibly as a second drive. The problem with an SSD as the only drive is the current high premium even for a 64 GB drive, which is small for a MBP. Prices will be much lower by this time next year, I expect, but not soon enough.

mmh, i'd love ssd, but not at the current price. A very nice thing in the middle would be just a 10gb onboard flash just for the os, to have the fast boot.

but i realy hope the new keyboard is part of the next macpro revision. I really like it. So my main reason to wait before I buy is I do not like the current keyboard on the mbp.

But it is a bit a pity that there aren't any specific rumors about the macbook pro updates. I mean, there was soo much information on the macbook air and also very accurate. And for the mbp, nearly nothing?

That does not create much hope for anything happening soon. (though i really hope that this is wrong)


cheers

basqarl
Jan 20, 2008, 08:28 AM
I just wish I/we had a better prediction of the when for the MBP. My old Dell Inspiron 8500 is dying. I am at the point now where it does not make sense to spring for the MBP because of necessity, but I've been wanting to change to Mac for 6 months now and my current laptop can barely chug out photos, open files, etc.

In addition, I work in special education (public school) and although I have a PC at work, it's slow and not in the greatest of shape either. When I work at home after school, I want to develop lessons/teaching materials that include the visuals (embedded video, photos, etc.) to meet our students' needs. I want it to be portable because I plan to bring it to work, too.

The main reason for my wait is for the reduced heating issue to come in the update; I will be doing so much with graphics and video that the current laptop may end up with overheating issues, and given my finances, I need my new laptop to last as long as possible.

lord patton
Jan 20, 2008, 08:44 AM
I just wish I/we had a better prediction of the when for the MBP. My old Dell Inspiron 8500 is dying.

I need my new laptop to last as long as possible.

Buy a current gen MBP refurbished. If money is an issue and you need it now, it doesn't make sense to wait for Penryn.

pete-01
Jan 20, 2008, 08:51 AM
Shaw Wu has a pretty awful track record for as much mainstream attention he gets. One thing, though, he was the only one who saw something like the time capsule coming. He made a comment about a new network device with storage, but I guess that was lost amongst his many misses.

cheunghy
Jan 20, 2008, 09:00 AM
Wait a minute...
I just noticed that I couldn't find the IR port on the MacBook Air. Is it hidden like it does on the iMacs? (MacBooks and MacBook Pros have theirs on the front.)

Stridder44
Jan 20, 2008, 09:15 AM
So are you saying you prefer the new keyboards to the old PB/MBP keyboards?


The new keyboards rock! It's so much easier to type with them. I hope so badly the MBPs get the new keyboards (with backlit of course).

i've seen a lot of people say that they _have_ to change the design of the mbp because it is so dated...it's still the nicest looking laptop from any manufacturer isn't it?

No. The MBP design is really dated. Yeah it was nice back when it came out...oh, what, 7+ years ago? They've been using the same case design since the Powerbook. It's time to let it die already. Time for a refresh.

lord patton
Jan 20, 2008, 09:23 AM
The MacBook Pro updates are certainly coming -- and soon. But the most interesting tidbit is that there have been reliable reports that the Pro machines will incorporate Apple's new multi-touch trackpad.


I think everyone's in agreement, then. Multi-touch will be coming to Apple's entire portable line—MBP soon, MB this summer (ahead of the back-to-school computer season).

I have to say, I think Apple is slowly changing 25 years of HUI habits. When I first heard CoverFlow was coming to the Finder, I thought it was completely unnecessary. But then I realized that in combination with QuickLook, it has its uses. And now with multi-touch, and the ability to zoom in and out of CoverFlow (and swipe between files) from the trackpad, well it works so well that I think that was their plan all along.

That WIRED article about the iPhone's development claimed that Apple had been working on a tablet for a year or more before beginning work on the iPhone. If that's true, and they purchasd Fingerworks, they have an entire library of gestures waiting for us.

I think Steve Jobs—crazy like a fox—is rolling out the pieces of the interface slowly, because he realizes he's teaching computer (well, machine) users a new way of interacting. Cut and Paste for the iPhone? Probably done a year ago. Remote control of :apple:TV with iPhone/Touch? Check. Just not giving it to you yet.

And before long, the gestures will seem so natural that they will have to have a wireless "gesture-pad" to sit next to the keyboard for iMac users.

Ambrose Chapel
Jan 20, 2008, 09:25 AM
Shaw Wu has a pretty awful track record for as much mainstream attention he gets. One thing, though, he was the only one who saw something like the time capsule coming. He made a comment about a new network device with storage, but I guess that was lost amongst his many misses.

john gruber also predicted this on daring fireball

Chris Bangle
Jan 20, 2008, 09:50 AM
Wait a minute...
I just noticed that I couldn't find the IR port on the MacBook Air. Is it hidden like it does on the iMacs? (MacBooks and MacBook Pros have theirs on the front.)



dead on the front on the bottom keyboard but,,, when its closed.. its the balck ovl rectangle shape thing http://www.apple.com/startpage/ on the right narrow balck strip

cheunghy
Jan 20, 2008, 10:01 AM
dead on the front on the bottom keyboard but,,, when its closed.. its the balck ovl rectangle shape thing http://www.apple.com/startpage/ on the right narrow balck strip

I thought that was only the 'sleep indicator'.

Marx55
Jan 20, 2008, 10:16 AM
YES, YES, YES...

"Given Appleinsider's accuracy with their ultra-portable report, it is increasingly likely that we will see a mini-tablet device coming from Apple. Apple is said to be working on a multi-touch OS X device about 1.5x the size of the iPhone with a 720x480 screen. Initial reports had suggested the possibility of a Macworld launch, but was delayed and may instead be seen later this year".

But, please, make it with a FULL Mac OS X inside and FULL quality video out for wired and wireless presentations. Someting similar or better than:

UMPC
http://onlyumpc.com

Asus Eee PC
http://eeepc.asus.com/global/product.htm

OQO e2
http://www.oqo.com/intl

Samsung Ultra Mobile PC Q1
http://www.samsung.com/us/consumer/type/type.do?group=computersperipherals&type=ultramobilepc

Being the ultimate handheld and pocket computer. With 5-inch or so screen. An order of thousands for our University will follow. And we need it now, or else we will go to Windows-Linux.

akadmon
Jan 20, 2008, 10:39 AM
Buy a current gen MBP refurbished. If money is an issue and you need it now, it doesn't make sense to wait for Penryn.

For a lot of people (myslef included) even this does not fix the price concerns. With an EPP discount, I can get a brand new MBP for just a tad more ($100-200, depending on a model) than a refurb. And oh, I do get an EPP discount on Dells and HPs (which is actually more than I got on Apple products, percentagewise), so in the end the current MBP is still way overpriced from my point of view. However, once the Penryn MBPs are released, I know from past history that the gap will close considerably, at which point, even if I have to spend a little more money than I would for the current MBP, I will not feel as stupid as I do now about going with a Mac.

bmorris
Jan 20, 2008, 10:50 AM
gimme macbook pro!!!

SheriffParker
Jan 20, 2008, 11:14 AM
I really hope the new MBP doesn't have black keys on aluminum. It looks like trash.

nnkd
Jan 20, 2008, 11:38 AM
I'm thinking that if they upgrade the MBP line significantly (more than a speed bump), it'll be some time from now (month or two). I don't think it'll be next week or that might steal the brand new MCA's thunder. Apple may use the MBP upgrade as a stepping stone of spotlight between the new MBA news and the mid/late spring upgrades.

AidenShaw
Jan 20, 2008, 11:38 AM
And we need it now, or else we will go to Windows-Linux.

At this point, it's unlikely that Apple will introduce a UMPC before Silverthorne is available - especially if it wants the UMPC to be able to run standard Intel OSX binaries.

Maybe at MacWorld Expo Summer 2008 the UMPC will be the "one more thing". Moscone West is reserved for a corporate event (http://www.moscone.com/site/do/event/list;jsessionid=392F585E11D9DE3E8BF417CF4B1F11E1?nav.type=0&nav.filter=0805&nav.base=0801) from 8 June 2008 to 13 June 2008, so that's the likely time.

When it will ship in quantity would be an unknown, though.


http://www.intel.com/pressroom/archive/releases/20080107corp.htm

Intel plans to ship its first low power processor and chipset platform designed for mobile Internet devices in the first half of this year.

Codenamed "Menlow," it is comprised of a chipset with a single chip design, codenamed "Poulsbo"; and a processor, codenamed "Silverthorne," which comes in a package that is five times smaller and consumes 10 times less power than ultra low voltage mobile processors introduced in 2006.

nnkd
Jan 20, 2008, 11:39 AM
I really hope the new MBP doesn't have black keys on aluminum. It looks like trash.

It should at least come with the option for white keys. My least favorite thing about the MBA are the keys... it's a little trivial hate but still I dislike 'em.

digitalbiker
Jan 20, 2008, 12:19 PM
I guess the IR port and the sleep indicator light are combined in the front. It also might be in the hole next to the built in isight camera on the front display face.

DHagan4755
Jan 20, 2008, 12:23 PM
I think the next version of the MacBook Pro will be a major revamp and I'll outline the reasons why I think so:

— The rumored next model must have the multi-gesture trackpad. I cannot see that being exclusive to the MacBook Air and I cannot see Apple withholding that in its other future notebook lines.

— The newer style keyboard is on every other Mac product at the moment, it also has remapped F-keys and the change from the Apple logo to "command."

— Magnetic latch of the MacBook Air suggests the magnetic latch design will work its way up to the pro line and that it can be implemented through aluminum.

— Circular peep hole for iSight in display bezel.

— Thinner display of MacBook Air is because of LED-backlighting and a thinner display in the MacBook Pro will allow the hinge to let the display tilt back further, which is currently a flaw in the current MacBook Pro.

— I think the enclosure will have to change somewhat to become a little more environmentally-friendly...current MacBook Pros have a thin plastic border around the frame. It's darker gray and it surrounds the base and the display. I notice that it is absent on the new MacBook Air. While I think the keyboard will be black, I am thinking Apple might take the whole aluminum enclosure and anodize it black for a highly desirable, professional look.

CrackedButter
Jan 20, 2008, 01:24 PM
The new keyboards rock! It's so much easier to type with them. I hope so badly the MBPs get the new keyboards (with backlit of course).



No. The MBP design is really dated. Yeah it was nice back when it came out...oh, what, 7+ years ago? They've been using the same case design since the Powerbook. It's time to let it die already. Time for a refresh.

The current design is now 5 years old (released 2003, the 12" and 17" PB), not 7+ as stated. Its design is still good and functional.

ProzacJM
Jan 20, 2008, 01:34 PM
A macbook pro with a new keyboard, MT and a video card upgrade, thats all i am asking for.

And please make it soon:D.

willieand
Jan 20, 2008, 01:45 PM
I only wonder what they mean by saying that the Macbook Pros are coming "soon"... Maybe within few weeks from now? What are your guesses ? At this time there are 229 days since the last update (avarge 186 days between updates).

The penryn processor will have significant effect on performance, right? I've come so far, waiting for the next update.. and i'm not giving up now !

dongmin
Jan 20, 2008, 01:51 PM
The current design is now 5 years old (released 2003, the 12" and 17" PB), not 7+ as stated. Its design is still good and functional.

Sure, but as the Air suggested, there are certain functional design changes that needs to be incorporated into the MBPs. What I'd like to see:

1. Multi-touch trackpad
2. MB-style keyboard
3. Magnetic latch
4. User-removable drive
5. SDD + HDD option: Boot volume is on a 16GB SDD for speed and battery conservation)
6. Dual battery option: With Apple pushing the wireless thing a la the MBA, they should offer a removable bay where you can swap out the optical drive for a 2nd battery.

deathshrub
Jan 20, 2008, 01:53 PM
Also, I hope that they will give you the option of choosing the nvidia 8800 mobile graphics card (as it is now present in the mac pro).

Don't hold your breath.

Cousin Dirk
Jan 20, 2008, 02:10 PM
The current design is now 5 years old (released 2003, the 12" and 17" PB), not 7+ as stated. Its design is still good and functional.

Indeed, I have no complaints about my PowerBook's design, only its lack of speed. And, there is some new functionality that we'd all like to see on the MacBook Pro line.

Also, add my name to the list of people who want to know quite how to interpret "soon"... are we talking days, weeks, or months?

MrCrowbar
Jan 20, 2008, 02:14 PM
It should at least come with the option for white keys. My least favorite thing about the MBA are the keys... it's a little trivial hate but still I dislike 'em.

I agree. The white keys on the Current keyboard don't lool that bad. Or least make them silver like on the Macbook Pro.
(See my Mockup of 1 12" Macbook Pro)

http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/3315/macbookpro1201fs6.jpg






PM me if you want the PSD files of those mockups to play around with.

jouster
Jan 20, 2008, 02:31 PM
Cut and Paste for the iPhone? Probably done a year ago.

Done a decade ago for Newton.


I really hope the new MBP doesn't have black keys on aluminum. It looks like trash.

Just your opinion, obviously. I dislike the silver keys on the Pro intensely; the switch back to dark keys for the Air is something I was happy to see.

lord patton
Jan 20, 2008, 02:47 PM
Sure, but as the Air suggested, there are certain functional design changes that needs to be incorporated into the MBPs. What I'd like to see:

1. Multi-touch trackpad
2. MB-style keyboard
3. Magnetic latch
4. User-removable drive
5. SDD + HDD option: Boot volume is on a 16GB SDD for speed and battery conservation)
6. Dual battery option: With Apple pushing the wireless thing a la the MBA, they should offer a removable bay where you can swap out the optical drive for a 2nd battery.

1) 100% guaranteed.
2) personal preference
3) Why not? I think it will happen.
4-6) I hadn't thought about a dual battery option, but I do think the optical bay should be optional. BTO options would include optical drive, second hard drive, SSD, or 2nd battery.

Damn, you could have 12 hours battery, or 600 GB, or 300 GB plus SSD of your choosing. Why doesn't Apple pay us to come up with ideas for them?

chatin
Jan 20, 2008, 03:23 PM
The Blu-Ray rumor.. so false. At $25 a blank disc this technology is not ready for prime time!

I started a thread on Microsoft being behind a Vista downgrade program that was picked up in the opening, Mac vs. PC! So True!

twoodcc
Jan 20, 2008, 03:39 PM
yeah, a lot of accurate rumors this time. looking forward to see if this iphone-like device is really coming

MacsRgr8
Jan 20, 2008, 03:51 PM
I am a bit annoyed they haven't made this dongle work with all recent Macs. Might be a handy thing to have around if a hub cant be found or a machines ethernet is playing up.

Indeed.
I would love to have one to be able to create a 2nd (> 100 Mb/s) ethernet connector on a Mac mini.

Stridder44
Jan 20, 2008, 04:22 PM
I really hope the new MBP doesn't have black keys on aluminum. It looks like trash.


It probably will, and like the name change to MacBook and MacBook Pro and the move to Intel, you'll get over it. I'll admit it, I love them(the keys), but I hope they don't make it black either.

The current design is now 5 years old (released 2003, the 12" and 17" PB), not 7+ as stated. Its design is still good and functional.

5 years? Hmm...I did some homework just to make sure. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PowerBook

Interim CEO Steve Jobs turned his eye to the redesign of the PowerBook series in 2000. A redesign which looked like this:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f7/PowerBook_redjar.jpg/800px-PowerBook_redjar.jpg

Looks pretty much like the current MBP. So it turns out we were both wrong. It wasn't 5 as you said, and it wasn't 7 as I had said...it was 8! So yes, the MBP case, while it's nifty and all, is coming up on a decade old. I'd say it's time for a refresh.

kockgunner
Jan 20, 2008, 04:47 PM
Looks pretty much like the current MBP. So it turns out we were both wrong. It wasn't 5 as you said, and it wasn't 7 as I had said...it was 8! So yes, the MBP case, while it's nifty and all, is coming up on a decade old. I'd say it's time for a refresh.

Wow time flies so quickly. This shows how timeless apple's designs are -- I cant imagine how they could possibly make the macbook pro look better. I also cant imagine how apple is gonna differentiate future macbooks with the macbook air without jeopardizing the air's sales

Also, what apple event would the new macbook pro be announced? WWDC?

NewbieNerd
Jan 20, 2008, 04:51 PM
Looks pretty much like the current MBP. So it turns out we were both wrong. It wasn't 5 as you said, and it wasn't 7 as I had said...it was 8! So yes, the MBP case, while it's nifty and all, is coming up on a decade old. I'd say it's time for a refresh.

If you're going to post a link, READ IT FIRST. That picture, as denoted in the caption, is the final powerbook, so it means nothing, The TiBooks were thought/introduced in 2000/2001, but the aluminum ones, which correspond to today's look of the MBPs was 2003, so it was indeed 5 years.

Stridder44
Jan 20, 2008, 05:44 PM
If you're going to post a link, READ IT FIRST. That picture, as denoted in the caption, is the final powerbook, so it means nothing, The TiBooks were thought/introduced in 2000/2001, but the aluminum ones, which correspond to today's look of the MBPs was 2003, so it was indeed 5 years.

You're right, I was a year off (http://www.apple-history.com/?page=gallery&model=pg4&performa=off&sort=date&order=ASC). It shows the following:

http://www.apple-history.com/images/models/pbg4.jpg

Aside from the black keys, it's pretty much looks the same idea. So you're right, it wasn't 8, it was 7 (which is what I said in my original post but that was just a lucky guess).

You can argue with me all day (I don't know why you'd defend something like that though) but you can't deny the design is very old.

NewbieNerd
Jan 20, 2008, 05:52 PM
You can argue with me all day (I don't know why you'd defend something like that though) but you can't deny the design is very old.

I don't think most people consider the TiBooks and AlBooks to be the same design...the material itself was different, the keyboard completely different, backlit keyboard, ports are on back vs side, monitor hinge, much more uniform design on AlBook than TiBook. Whatever change comes to the MBP design will be no more than the change between TiBook and AlBook, so I don't see how you couldn't call TiBook -> AlBook a significant form factor change.

But nevertheless, we're on the same page...it's time for a design change. It's inevitable (MBA design pretty much tells it all), it's just a matter of when. Soon, please, soon! :)

BTW
Jan 20, 2008, 06:07 PM
The Macbook Air is neat but definitely not for the mainstream. I'd miss not having the optical drive built-in.

I'm glad they didn't intro a new Macbook yet with a LED screen though. I just got mine in December and would have been jealous.

Anyway, the AppleTV is more valuable with the Movie Rentals and iTunes integration.

The Time Capsule device is actually something I'd be interested in purchasing. One thing that would make the Time Capsule even better would be to be able to hook a USB printer to it and serve-up network printing via it. Alas, it doesn't seem to be capable of doing that. Maybe next time.

Edit: Never mind they do offer the wireless network printing. I didn't see the device on Apple's site last week. Coolio, I'll be buying one when they are available at the Apple store.

macsforme
Jan 20, 2008, 06:08 PM
Buy a current gen MBP refurbished. If money is an issue and you need it now, it doesn't make sense to wait for Penryn.

Indeed. Keep an eye on the refurbished page. Just yesterday I saw a $1,899 deal on a 2.33GHz MBP that was roughly equivalent otherwise to the current mid-range MBP (different video card). That was a nice drop of the current $2,499 mid-range model. Unfortunately, it's already gone from the store. :(

Stridder44
Jan 20, 2008, 06:09 PM
I don't think most people consider the TiBooks and AlBooks to be the same design...the material itself was different, the keyboard completely different, backlit keyboard, ports are on back vs side, monitor hinge, much more uniform design on AlBook than TiBook. Whatever change comes to the MBP design will be no more than the change between TiBook and AlBook, so I don't see how you couldn't call TiBook -> AlBook a significant form factor change.

But nevertheless, we're on the same page...it's time for a design change. It's inevitable (MBA design pretty much tells it all), it's just a matter of when. Soon, please, soon! :)


I couldn't agree more. Here's to buying a new MBP soon!

Cheers!

The Macbook Air is neat but definitely not for the mainstream.

Word. It's definitely a "path" for where the rest of the lineup will follow (circular iSight, keyboard, slim case, etc.).

digitalbiker
Jan 20, 2008, 07:04 PM
I don't think most people consider the TiBooks and AlBooks to be the same design...the material itself was different, the keyboard completely different, backlit keyboard, ports are on back vs side, monitor hinge, much more uniform design on AlBook than TiBook. Whatever change comes to the MBP design will be no more than the change between TiBook and AlBook, so I don't see how you couldn't call TiBook -> AlBook a significant form factor change.

But nevertheless, we're on the same page...it's time for a design change. It's inevitable (MBA design pretty much tells it all), it's just a matter of when. Soon, please, soon! :)

I understand what you are saying and I have owned both the Ti and AL powerbooks/mbps. But ...

They are essentially the same size, color, very similar keyboard and track pad layout, same screen sizes. They have the same look and feel, glowing Apple logo, etc..

They are definitely in need of a design change. I am thinking carbon fiber case, higher res led backlit displays, re-designed flat square keyed key board and multi-touch track-pad, easily swappable batteries, swappable HDD, removable Blu-ray multi-drive with extra battery option.

Possibly a flash memory OS drive or a separate SSD bay for more high speed performance of the OS. Possibly a slightly thinner profile with a swivel mounted display that could swivel and fold down to resemble a tablet device with the screen acting as a high-res touch screen.

Clive At Five
Jan 20, 2008, 07:10 PM
So speaking of "what's to come," yes yes the MBP is in need of an update, that is well-known. But I am becoming increasingly concerned about the growing performance gap between the iMac and the MacPro. I hate to be "that guy," but when is Apple going to start realizing that there's a hole whole demographic of users they are missing?

While, yes, there's some debate as to whether or not multitudes of users actually want to upgrade their PCs (or even CAN), there is the perceived desire for a machine that can do this. Why do you think AIOs have entirely failed on the PC-side? Obviously there are millions of idiot-users who buy PC towers who don't need them but they think they do. Just the sheer fact that AIOs are "not PC compatible" should clue Apple in to the existence of the gigantic mid-tower market. Who cares that an xMac will eat a quarter million iMac sales and a hundred thousand Mac Pro sales? It'll open the flood gates for Apple so that their user-base will grow even more - and thereafter their stock price.

"Wah wah, but an xMac would eat into iMac sales!" Of course it would, but you all are blaming that on the xMac when the iMac would be the one to blame for the cannibalization. For far too long, Apple has been trying to fill too many roles with the iMac. If you need power, you need a Mac Pro, and there's no question about it, but the iMac's job description is not nearly as clear-cut. If you need a simple computer that's easy to set up and use, Apple gives you an iMac. If you need a computer that is lighter on power, Apple gives you an iMac. If you need a computer that has a GPU but won't break the bank, Apple gives you an iMac. If you're a prosumer, Apple gives you an iMac. This sort of identity crisis is wreaking total havok on Apple's product line-up! An "I can do anything" computer just does not exist!

Apple needs to make up their mind about the iMac. Either make it a worthy desktop PC - giving it a desktop-grade processor and a decent GPU (sacrificing *some* style for functionality, if need be [and I don't hear anyone complaining that the iMac is still too thick]) - or make it their entry-level PC, starting at $899, kill the mini and make a desktop-class xMac once and for all.

Personally, I think the latter is a better fit. While I don't know for certain, I would venture to guess that the majority of users who want an AIO have simple needs. They most likely don't need the customization ability of a tower because they perform more general tasks. And for the record, the I just asked my wife if she'd rather have an all-in-one like an iMac, or a customizable, upgradeable tower. She said, "iMac." So, no, an xMac wouldn't seriously threaten the iMac's market demographic... not any more than the Mac Mini did when Apple first released it.

If Apple thinks every desktop-user is going to be appeased by either an iMac or a MacPro - oh yeah, or the Mini - they are seriously kidding themselves, and as a prosumer, I am insulted. Certainly our numbers aren't huge, but they are definitely larger than the number of people who need eight cores of server-class processing power.

So in terms of things I'd like to see from Apple:

-- New MBPs with multi-touch trackpads.
-- Tablet/over-sized iPhone.
-- SOMETHING with a desktop-class processor, a competitive GPU, and SOME degree of upgradeability.
-- A keyboard with a multi-touch trackpad. Yes, you heard me right. I hate mice. They fricken require so much desktop space, are cumbersome, and don't even recognize gestures! The only time I like to use mice is when playing computer games, which is rarely. Please, SOMEONE! Make a gesture-sensing trackpad-featured keyboard for desktops!

-Clive

compuguy1088
Jan 20, 2008, 09:29 PM
You're right, I was a year off (http://www.apple-history.com/?page=gallery&model=pg4&performa=off&sort=date&order=ASC). It shows the following:

http://www.apple-history.com/images/models/pbg4.jpg

Aside from the black keys, it's pretty much looks the same idea. So you're right, it wasn't 8, it was 7 (which is what I said in my original post but that was just a lucky guess).

You can argue with me all day (I don't know why you'd defend something like that though) but you can't deny the design is very old.

From what I noticed between the Ti design and the Ai design is several major differences. One of which is the fact that the back of the laptop is where the ports were. The touchpad is also different.

AidenShaw
Jan 20, 2008, 09:38 PM
From what I noticed between the Ti design and the Ai design is several major differences. One of which is the fact that the back of the laptop is where the ports were. The touchpad is also different.

Do you mean "Ti" and "Al" ?

To most people, though, it makes no difference - the titanium and aluminium cases look essentially the same.

The "non-amateur" Apple laptops haven't had a design change in many years, and they're looking rather stale. So 20th century. Time for a change...

Digital Skunk
Jan 20, 2008, 09:43 PM
I understand what you are saying and I have owned both the Ti and AL powerbooks/mbps. But ...

They are essentially the same size, color, very similar keyboard and track pad layout, same screen sizes. They have the same look and feel, glowing Apple logo, etc..

They are definitely in need of a design change. I am thinking carbon fiber case, higher res led backlit displays, re-designed flat square keyed key board and multi-touch track-pad, easily swappable batteries, swappable HDD, removable Blu-ray multi-drive with extra battery option.

Possibly a flash memory OS drive or a separate SSD bay for more high speed performance of the OS. Possibly a slightly thinner profile with a swivel mounted display that could swivel and fold down to resemble a tablet device with the screen acting as a high-res touch screen.

Wow! Nice wish list. I would love to see such innovation in a notebook that is even smaller than the current model. Honestly, I wouldn't care if Apple made the books slightly larger, or tapered like the MBAs if they could get more hardware into them.

Unfortunately I see Apple putting the flat MB keyboard in the design, but I hope they can at least give me dual HDD options for the 17" and a 512 MB GFX card on the high end and Multi touch trackpad as well. Everything else is extra.

MacRonin
Jan 20, 2008, 09:58 PM
I think the only way Apple would put out a mini-tower for the masses is when they actually get serious about gaming on the Mac. And for gaming on the Mac you need people writing games FOR the Mac, not converting PC games to work on the Mac. This is probably one of the main reasons Microsoft dumped OpenGL in favor of their proprietary DirectX code. If game developers are railroaded into using DirectX, why are they going to both developing a secondary version of their games codebase using OpenGL?!?

And from a monetary standpoint, it makes more sense to sell consumers/prosumers all-in-one machines, since these machines become outdated faster than a mini-tower that one could change components in.

(Ignoring the fact that the vast majority of people who purchase a mini-tower specifically with upgrading in mind never actually do so…)

As for me, I want to see Apple come out with a true Apple slate tablet, one with both multi-touch & stylus capabilities. Dedicated graphics would be nice also. I would expect an Apple slate tablet to be much like the Axoitron ModBook, just in a nicer package. This would be great for the majority of users in the business/educational/medical fields.

A smaller Apple tablet, like the iPod touch, but 1.5x larger, would make a great internet communications device. But I would need this device to be a full Mac OS X device, just limited by the CPU & graphics as to abilities. I would expect the standard applications included with Mac OS X to run nicely from this device, but I would not expect to do any serious pixel pushing (PhotoShop, video editing, compositing, 3d) with it.

For me, I could get by with the above smaller tablet, an AppleTV, a Time Capsule, a sweet HDTV flat-panel 7 a set of 5.1 surround sound speakers. Then I can sit on the couch and watch a rented movie or a Season Pass tv show while surfing the web & checking my email. If I need to Remote Desktop to a client machine, I would just pick up my larger Apple slate tablet (15.4" maybe…?) and work from there.

I would also like to see Apple put out an iPhone nano, which would be just cell service, MP3 player, camera phone & a wireless 3G tether to my tablets if needed. Why an iPhone nano some may ask? Well, if I have a small tablet the size of a DVD jewel case, with its attending OS X apps, I would not really need those same abilities in my cell phone.

Time will tell…

Roller
Jan 20, 2008, 10:10 PM
So in terms of things I'd like to see from Apple:

-- New MBPs with multi-touch trackpads.
-- Tablet/over-sized iPhone.
-- SOMETHING with a desktop-class processor, a competitive GPU, and SOME degree of upgradeability.
-- A keyboard with a multi-touch trackpad. Yes, you heard me right. I hate mice. They fricken require so much desktop space, are cumbersome, and don't even recognize gestures! The only time I like to use mice is when playing computer games, which is rarely. Please, SOMEONE! Make a gesture-sensing trackpad-featured keyboard for desktops!

-Clive

Agree with everything but the part about the mice - I like them, although I could see a MT trackpad as a standalone device. There have been several desktop trackpads over the years, and some of them were very good. MT would be even better, but I suppose they'd have to come from Apple to incorporate the gesture-recognition feature.

A mid-range Mac tower with a couple of drive bays and a replaceable optical drive and video card would probably cannibalize more iMac than Mac Pro sales. But it would also attract many switchers who aren't comfortable with the dead-end AIO iMac or the higher priced/bulkier Mac Pro.

I have a Core Duo iMac that's getting a bit long-in-the-tooth, but neither the current iMac nor the updated Mac Pros fit the bill as a replacement.

macsforme
Jan 20, 2008, 10:40 PM
As for me, I want to see Apple come out with a true Apple slate tablet, one with both multi-touch & stylus capabilities. Dedicated graphics would be nice also.

I've always been disappointed that Apple chose to go with integrated graphics in the MacBook. Even the iBooks had dedicated graphics cards (although admittedly, this was before integrated graphics became popular). I've always known macs to be excellent graphical performers. There's no dedicated graphics chip in the iPod Touch, iPhone, or (more significantly) the MacBook... if there isn't a dedicated graphics card in Apple's entry-level laptop, I doubt there will be one in its tablets.

mackiwi
Jan 20, 2008, 11:07 PM
Just my 2 cents...

The mini-tablet will be the 3G, 16GB iPhone Pro. Will sell for an extra $199, after the current Edge only iphone will receive a further price drop. Will be announced at the Feb iphone SDk release event.

iPhone: Edge, 8GB & 16GB: $299 & $399.
iPhone Pro: 3G/edge, 16Gb, bigger screen, macbook modem: $499.

mackiwi
Jan 20, 2008, 11:14 PM
To those clamoring for a mini-MacPro, I agree I would LOVE one.

Even if it was just a BTO option in the current huge MacPro case, but with downgraded components instead of upgraded.

i.e: one dual/quad core proc, one optical drive, small hard drive, 2 GB, basic graphics card (not integrated though) maybe for $1600. Otherwise, bring back the cube!!!

But looking ay Apples blistering pace of macbook sales, it seems that hardly anyone cares that they aren't upgradeable or aren't built for gaming (my core 2 macbook has weaker graphics than my G4 mini for instance).

Maybe more likely is that in one of the new buildings going up at 1 inifinite loops apple campus will house a new games division pumping out mac only game titles, that are tailored to take advantage of dual/quad core procs with integrated graphics.

Clive At Five
Jan 21, 2008, 12:08 AM
I think the only way Apple would put out a mini-tower for the masses is when they actually get serious about gaming on the Mac. And for gaming on the Mac you need people writing games FOR the Mac, not converting PC games to work on the Mac. This is probably one of the main reasons Microsoft dumped OpenGL in favor of their proprietary DirectX code. If game developers are railroaded into using DirectX, why are they going to both developing a secondary version of their games codebase using OpenGL?!?

This is why the loss of Bungie was so tragic for Mac-users. There's no way Apple is going to entice large-scale developers to write Mac-only titles. Their only hope is to convince them to write OpenGL since it's cross-platform. As the Mac becomes more popular, however, developers may find that they'll save development time by using OpenGL instead of DirectX. Blizzard, though they lead the field in writing cross-platform games, still prefers DirectX.

And from a monetary standpoint, it makes more sense to sell consumers/prosumers all-in-one machines, since these machines become outdated faster than a mini-tower that one could change components in.

Maybe it's too much to ask for Apple to be the "bigger person" and not rely on planned obsolescence to make money? They're not in financial trouble by any means... you'd think they could cut back on their gigantic profits and let the quality of the product to carry itself... but maybe I'm giving them too much credit.

(Ignoring the fact that the vast majority of people who purchase a mini-tower specifically with upgrading in mind never actually do so…)

Like I suggested earlier, I don't think actual intent matters... it's the ability to do so. If people have made the admission that they will never upgrade their computers, why do AIOs fail on the PC side? People like choice, whether or not they actually exercise that choice.

-Clive

wildlywicked
Jan 21, 2008, 12:35 AM
As I type this from a 7 year old 733megahertz Intel Pentium III with 256mb ram, no graphics card, a CRT and floppy drive I cry: "Listen Apple!". All I want is:

- A 17" LED Backlit Display
- A backlit keyboard (i don't care what type, just keep it backlit!)
- A Blu-ray drive (maybe the new laptop ready one from Panasonic?)
- A graphics card with up to code drivers (you know what I mean)

Is that too much to ask for? One more thing...I want it within the month - just 'cause.

sachxn
Jan 21, 2008, 01:03 AM
I was planning to buy a new laptop but if this ultra portable news is true than I think I will wait for some time and see how worth it is.

Sachin (http://apple-iphone.blogspot.com)

NewbieNerd
Jan 21, 2008, 01:18 AM
I was planning to buy a new laptop but if this ultra portable news is true than I think I will wait for some time and see how worth it is.

Umm...what? You haven't heard about the MacBook Air (http://www.apple.com/macbookair)? It's definitely true, lol...

CrackedButter
Jan 21, 2008, 03:07 AM
You're right, I was a year off (http://www.apple-history.com/?page=gallery&model=pg4&performa=off&sort=date&order=ASC). It shows the following:

http://www.apple-history.com/images/models/pbg4.jpg

Aside from the black keys, it's pretty much looks the same idea. So you're right, it wasn't 8, it was 7 (which is what I said in my original post but that was just a lucky guess).

You can argue with me all day (I don't know why you'd defend something like that though) but you can't deny the design is very old.

What? As somebody else stated, its been 5 years since the introduction of the existing design, before that the PowerBooks were made from Ti and different keys and difference placement of ports, I don't know why I'm evening discussing this because its clearly a case re-design from then onwards. I read your link, it proved nothing except you can't read properly.

You reg date suggests you were around back then so I don't know what is going through your mind, sure you missed the 2003 keynote when they came out with the Al redesign, but the TiBooks weren't redesigned until Paris Expo so you must of been on these boards when everybody was bitching about the lack of a re-design for the 15" machine (the 15" didn't get updated at the same time as the 12" and the 17" inch versions! To say also "You can argue with me all day" is also shockingly immature. I mean, have you seen what we're discussing here? A case re-design for a laptop, get a life

This is lame and one of the reasons why I don't post much anymore, too many Mac users get defensive so quickly and come out with the crap like you're doing. I only commented that you were wrong so as to be helpful and it comes to this.

achtung!
Jan 21, 2008, 03:42 AM
i would like to see this improvements in the new MBP:

.faster CPU: option between 2.6hz or 2.8hz
.larger hard-drive
.higher screen resolution
.multi-touch pad
.new "flat" keyboard with grey keys (yes grey, for an overall consistency)
.apple will stick with the aluminum. it's efficient in deformations, and traps the heat inside.
.i am hoping, for a long time, to see anodized aluminum and NOT anodized paint. i'm tired of scratches and cracks!

just my 2 cents. ;)

PS: reducing the MBPs price in 150/200 €, would be very welcome! :D

johnnyjibbs
Jan 21, 2008, 05:26 AM
I wouldn't be surprised if MacBook Pro updates happened tomorrow, if not next Tuesday. They must be ready, but they didn't want to take the bite out of the Air annoucement.

Now that the dust has settled, Apple will bring its MBPs up to speed. 12" I very much doubt, considering Air has just been introduced, so I'll be going for the new 15" with new flat, black keys and multi-touch touchpad.

I expect the design to change a little also, but not drastically. There's not that much they can do with the shape. And the current design is 5 years old - as released with the 12" and 17" PowerBooks at MacWorld SF 2003. The older Ti-Book is a completely different design (the only similarity being the G4 processor at the time and the 1" thickness form factor. Other than that though - different material (painted on so that it chipped), sqaurer shape, different trackpad, different hinge (that sat on top when closed), black keyboard with flimsy keys and old style Apple font, ports on the back, etc, etc, etc).

basqarl
Jan 21, 2008, 07:02 AM
I wouldn't be surprised if MacBook Pro updates happened tomorrow, if not next Tuesday. They must be ready, but they didn't want to take the bite out of the Air annoucement.

Now that the dust has settled, Apple will bring its MBPs up to speed. 12" I very much doubt, considering Air has just been introduced, so I'll be going for the new 15" with new flat, black keys and multi-touch touchpad.

I expect the design to change a little also, but not drastically. There's not that much they can do with the shape. And the current design is 5 years old - as released with the 12" and 17" PowerBooks at MacWorld SF 2003. The older Ti-Book is a completely different design (the only similarity being the G4 processor at the time and the 1" thickness form factor. Other than that though - different material (painted on so that it chipped), sqaurer shape, different trackpad, different hinge (that sat on top when closed), black keyboard with flimsy keys and old style Apple font, ports on the back, etc, etc, etc).

I so hope you are correct!

sushi
Jan 21, 2008, 07:45 AM
Apple is said to be working on a multi-touch OS X device about 1.5x the size of the iPhone with a 720x480 screen.
That would be sweet. :)

statler
Jan 21, 2008, 08:00 AM
I really hope they reintroduce the 12" (or make a slim 13") to compete with Panasonic Toughbook, Sony TZ, Toshiba R500, etc. etc. Maybe they tried to do this with MacBook Air but if so they missed the mark, imo. What they still don't have is a small road warrior machine with lots of built-in functionality:
* Built-in optical drive
* Small (not just thin!) form factor -- lose the bezel!
* Long lasting replaceable battery
* Ports galore
* 2.5 in. hard drive (up to 250GB capacity these days)
* etc.

I was waiting for the announcement to buy a new laptop to replace my Toughbook W2. Macbook Air left me wanting. I ended up getting a plain ol' MacBook though compared to my 4-year-old Panny it really is a clunker size-wise.

I think the Macbook Air is one of those once-every-few-years Steve Jobs follies where he focuses on design above user needs (see: Mac Cube, Mac Mini, NeXT Cube). This time he obsessed about Thinness. It's a design study more than it is a mass market notebook.

lord patton
Jan 21, 2008, 09:06 AM
I was waiting for the announcement to buy a new laptop to replace my Toughbook W2. Macbook Air left me wanting. I ended up getting a plain ol' MacBook though compared to my 4-year-old Panny it really is a clunker size-wise.

I think the Macbook Air is one of those once-every-few-years Steve Jobs follies where he focuses on design above user needs (see: Mac Cube, Mac Mini, NeXT Cube). This time he obsessed about Thinness. It's a design study more than it is a mass market notebook.

No one agrees with me, but I think there's as much hope for a small MBP as there ever was. Admittedly, that might not be much, but I don't think the MBA has made it less. Why?

Because the MBA is singlemindedly designed to be thin. It satisfies less power users than the MacBook itself. It didn't try to be powerful AND thin... just thin.

So Steve Jobs could plausibly say, "Two weeks ago we answered the question, 'How thin can we make a MacBook?' Today, we're answering the question, 'How powerful can we make a MacBook?'

And the answer would be a 13" MBP with nearly every goodie that the 15" has (In other words, would be much more like an MBP than the 12" PB was to its bigger brothers). I guess that would leave the plain 'ol MacBook to be the cheapest MacBook they could build.

Looks like a good product line-up to me. And before anyone says it won't happen, I agree, it probably won't. And to those who say a 13" MBP would cannibalize MBA sales, I say, No, it won't, and if it did, who cares? It's still a sale for Apple.

joemama
Jan 21, 2008, 09:35 AM
Aside from everyone's wished on the next revision, let's get back to the question everyone wants to know....

When do you think we will see them? Should potential users buy the current one now or wait? Are we talking a month, this summer?

What are people's educated guesses?

propropro
Jan 21, 2008, 11:18 AM
Aside from everyone's wished on the next revision, let's get back to the question everyone wants to know....

When do you think we will see them? Should potential users buy the current one now or wait? Are we talking a month, this summer?

What are people's educated guesses?

At this moment, low-end macbook pro 15" and macbook pro 17" models are backordered in BestBuy, with estimated shipping date in 1-2 weeks...
Maybe these are coming soon :)

joemama
Jan 21, 2008, 12:31 PM
At this moment, low-end macbook pro 15" and macbook pro 17" models are backordered in BestBuy, with estimated shipping date in 1-2 weeks...
Maybe these are coming soon :)

Hey that would be great. does anyone know about quantities in other stores? CDW, MacMall, etc....?

Could also be that people were waiting for the MacBook Air specs to come out, and now decided to buy a regular MBP instead, so MBP quantities are low.

nberman
Jan 22, 2008, 01:46 PM
:cool:Doubtful that in 2008 we will see a Mac tablet with similar full application usability to the recent XP/Vista UMPCs. For the reason why see:

http://neilberman.blogspot.com/2008/01/predictions-for-2008.html