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Jan 21, 2008, 10:37 AM
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The first unboxing photos for the MacBook Air come from what appears to be a remote Macworld Expo presentation (http://flickr.com/photos/21355799@N02/sets/72157603746681202/) in Japan. The pictures show that they received their demonstration MacBook Air in the retail packaging. Unboxing sequence: 1 (http://flickr.com/photos/21355799@N02/2202765901/in/set-72157603746681202/), 2 (http://flickr.com/photos/21355799@N02/2202765941/in/set-72157603746681202/), 3 (http://flickr.com/photos/21355799@N02/2203559348/in/set-72157603746681202/), 4 (http://flickr.com/photos/21355799@N02/2203559376/in/set-72157603746681202/), 5 (http://flickr.com/photos/21355799@N02/2202766015/in/set-72157603746681202/).

Meanwhile, Macfixit confirms (http://www.macfixit.com/article.php?story=20080118143319155) that the MacBook Air is the first Mac to be able to boot wirelessly.

When Apple introduced the MacBook Air, they detailed a new feature called "Remote Disc" which makes up for the lack of a standard optical drive in the MacBook Air. Remote Disc allows the MacBook Air to wirelessly use a PC or Mac optical drive as if it were its own. Included with this functionality is the ability for the MacBook Air to wirelessly boot off of a Remote Disc shared drive. This means that if your MacBook Air requires an emergency boot or fresh reinstall, it can be done without the $99 external SuperDrive.

This added functionality required changes in the Extensible Firmware Interface (EFI) and is not presently available on other Macs.

The MacBook Air will be shipping to customers in the next two weeks. A discussion thread (http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=415463) has been created for readers waiting for their MacBook Air to ship.

Article Link (http://www.macrumors.com/2008/01/21/macbook-air-unboxing-photos-and-wireless-booting/)



iSee
Jan 21, 2008, 10:40 AM
OK, wireless booting is just cool.

a1016neo
Jan 21, 2008, 10:40 AM
I wonder when the reviews for the Macbook Air Come Out??? Soon?

amac4me
Jan 21, 2008, 10:41 AM
I'm sure we'll see a ton of unboxing photos once they start shipping.

lofight
Jan 21, 2008, 10:41 AM
very nice!!
i love it!!

sunfast
Jan 21, 2008, 10:45 AM
Despite all the negative comments washing around this place about the MBA, that is an incredible machine.

Yankees 4 Life
Jan 21, 2008, 10:48 AM
this thing really is way ahead of the competition... it's pretty amazing

RBMaraman
Jan 21, 2008, 10:52 AM
Despite all the negative comments washing around this place about the MBA, that is an incredible machine.

And those negative comments all boil down to the same thing:

Some people want a 12" or 13" MacBook Pro.

The only time the words "Pro" and 13" should appear in the same sentence is on the cover of a porn DVD.

Bosunsfate
Jan 21, 2008, 10:56 AM
Wireless booting answers, IMO, what was the only unanswered question in my mind.

This is a great addition to the MacBook line!

Is the MBA for everyone? Of course not. But for what the MBA does, its pretty amazing.

fastbite
Jan 21, 2008, 10:56 AM
It is plain beautiful and inspiring looking machine.

wickedsteve
Jan 21, 2008, 11:00 AM
[url=http://www.macrumors.com]This means that if your MacBook Air requires an emergency boot or fresh reinstall, it can be done without the $99 external SuperDrive.

It can be done without the $99 external SuperDrive if you have a computer that costs a lot more.

Mike Teezie
Jan 21, 2008, 11:05 AM
Sheesh, those unboxing pictures are making want an Air.

sunfast
Jan 21, 2008, 11:05 AM
The only time the words "Pro" and 13" should appear in the same sentence is on the cover of a porn DVD.

That's genius :)

Putting my serious hat on, my ideal machine would be an MB with some "pro" styling cues - essentially the same but in Aluminium (fed up of having a piss yellow laptop) with the snazzy keyboard. But I'm fully aware that won't happen.

Still, MacBoor Air isn't it? Lovely.

SheriffParker
Jan 21, 2008, 11:10 AM
It can be done without the $99 external SuperDrive if you have a computer that costs a lot more.

And since most people already do...

kenstee
Jan 21, 2008, 11:11 AM
Wonderful, beautiful machine which is relatively unusable and unsuited for 99% of Mac users.

But, they will sell a ton of them to the other 1%.

Not even tempted personally.

JML42691
Jan 21, 2008, 11:13 AM
I am just waiting for somebody to post a video of the unboxing, the pictures make it look absolutely awesome.

Butters
Jan 21, 2008, 11:14 AM
Am I the only person who found "Mac Intosh"'s comments on every photo extremely annoying?

QuarterSwede
Jan 21, 2008, 11:16 AM
Now that's one sexy dumb terminal!

Setting it next to another "thin" computer really shows how incredibly thin this thing is. Love it!

eenu
Jan 21, 2008, 11:18 AM
Wireless booting answers, IMO, what was the only unanswered question in my mind.

Personally i thought it was pretty obvious that it would wirelessly boot! How else do they expect you to clean install or access disk utility functions from the Leopard DVD!

I think steve (or the website) would have made a point that you require the external drive to do such a task.

Cloudane
Jan 21, 2008, 11:20 AM
Still more of an "amazing piece of engineering" than "something I'd buy" but A++ on the wireless booting, solves that problem, very nice.

nxent
Jan 21, 2008, 11:23 AM
wireless booting i must say is rather impressive. i'm assuming other random programs can be installed in a similar fashion. what about external hard drives?

zephead
Jan 21, 2008, 11:33 AM
Aww, I was hoping it would come out of the box in a manila envelope. :p

lazyrighteye
Jan 21, 2008, 11:35 AM
Now that's one sexy dumb terminal!

Setting it next to another "thin" computer really shows how incredibly thin this thing is. Love it!

Yeah, it was difficult to fully imagine how MBA's size compared to the competition. Those pictures are shocking - so much thinner!
Not that I am in the market, per se, but I do look forward to seeing these in stores. I bet they'll be even more impressive in person.

That said, this product didn't give me that "crap - I want that now" or "I didn't know I wanted that, until now" feeling Apple has often given me. Sure, it's super thin and has some neat things like Wireless Booting and a more gestured track pad. But at the end of the day, it's still a clamsheel laptop - only thinner.
I think I might be ready for a different take on the whole personal computing thing and have begun to wonder if a tablet, done right, would fit my needs/desires.

Maybe we'll see sooner than later.
Maybe not.

?

deathshrub
Jan 21, 2008, 11:36 AM
Am I the only person who found "Mac Intosh"'s comments on every photo extremely annoying?

But it's "thin as air"!!!!!!
:rolleyes:


But at the end of the day, it's still a clamsheel laptop - only thinner.

Gee, where would you get that idea?!

digitalbiker
Jan 21, 2008, 11:43 AM
It will be interesting to see some performance tests.

I wonder how slow this thing will be with the 4200 rpm drive. I also wonder how well the wireless DVD actually works.

Whenever I use a network drive it always seems dog slow compared to a local drive. I can even see a big difference between wired gigabit ethernet and wireless N for network drives.

Personally I would not buy one of these but I am curious as to how well they will actually perform.

As an aside, does anyone use idisk on .mac for uploading large files >200mb. Why is it always so dog slow and why do most of my attempts fail? I really wish Apple would fix .mac now that the wireless macbook air is here. It would be a good way to store additional data for the Air, rather than take up space on the small 80gb drive.

Bosunsfate
Jan 21, 2008, 11:45 AM
Personally i thought it was pretty obvious that it would wirelessly boot! How else do they expect you to clean install or access disk utility functions from the Leopard DVD!

I think steve (or the website) would have made a point that you require the external drive to do such a task.

It was only unanswered in that it was not documented yet. We had all talked about it being something that should be there.

If that wasn't possible it certainly would have been a mistake.

ipedro
Jan 21, 2008, 11:45 AM
Gorgeous machine however it doesn't suit my needs.

I'll pick up the MacBook Pro that we all know will come out around WWDC and will be based off the new aesthetic: tapered design with clean lines, thin LED backed display, magnetic latch, black MacBook style keyboard.

I'm guessing that the new MBP will probably have an HDMI port instead of DVI and maybe get rid of the Ethernet port (USB to Ethernet dongle available).

Hopefully by then, solid state drives will be a lot more reasonable in price. I wouldn't mind having a 64GB SSD for the OS, applications and other Library functions and a 200GB for storage.

Can't wait!

skorpien
Jan 21, 2008, 11:45 AM
It can be done without the $99 external SuperDrive if you have a computer that costs a lot more.

I don't understand the problem here... IF you have a computer already - and since you have an MBA, it's safe to assume you also have wi-fi - then you don't have to worry about getting the SuperDrive. And if you DON'T... well then you can purchase the SuperDrive for only $99. Much cheaper than a secondary computer. At least they're giving you options so you don't HAVE to purchase the SuperDrive. And IMO, the SuperDrive is a LOT better than making you purchase a computer to boot from or having to send it in to Apple to restore it.

abrooks
Jan 21, 2008, 11:47 AM
It will be interesting to see some performance tests.

I wonder how slow this thing will be with the 4200 rpm drive. I also wonder how well the wireless DVD actually works.

Whenever I use a network drive it always seems dog slow compared to a local drive. I can even see a big difference between wired gigabit ethernet and wireless N for network drives.

Personally I would not buy one of these but I am curious as to how well they will actually perform.

Having used one at Macworld I can say that the machines are really, really quick.

Whether this was just because it was a fresh install is something that should be considered but I closed an MBA to put it too sleep, made sure it was sleeping and opened the lid again, it must have woke up in under 3 seconds and was usable again. Amazing compared to my MBP.

All the applications seem fairly snappy but once again it was a clean install which was no doubt refreshed each evening.

Finally I was accessing some files on some of the Time Capsule units they had and it seemed pretty fast, Leopard has made network access considerably faster than on Tiger.

Azurael
Jan 21, 2008, 11:51 AM
I'd have thought wireless booting for ALL Mac require firmware/EFI upgrades for every machine Apple support under 10.5?

I can see them doing it for the Intel machines, but the expense of getting engineers familiar with OpenFirmware to release updates for the PPC Macs makes it seem very unlikely to me.

gregdig
Jan 21, 2008, 11:54 AM
Am I the only person who found "Mac Intosh"'s comments on every photo extremely annoying?

I hadn't noticed it until you mentioned it. Now I'm annoyed.

RichP
Jan 21, 2008, 11:55 AM
[QUOTE=lazyrighteye;4803589
That said, this product didn't give me that "crap - I want that now" or "I didn't know I wanted that, until now" feeling Apple has often given me. Sure, it's super thin and has some neat things like Wireless Booting and a more gestured track pad. But at the end of the day, it's still a clamsheel laptop - only thinner.

?[/QUOTE]

I feel the same way. My fanboi "ORDER IT NOW!!!!" behavior didnt kick in like it normally does. And I would like a smaller replacement for my MBP...

weckart
Jan 21, 2008, 12:00 PM
The packaging looks too flimsy to support this via the usual couriers. Just a thin plastic dish to hold it in the box? Expect a few of these to arrive DOA in damaged boxes.

gcmexico
Jan 21, 2008, 12:05 PM
When they say the Macbook Are is useless to Mac users...I believe Apple made an amazing product that is useful to a ton of people...the Macbook Air is not meant to be your main computer...the main point is to be portable and lightweight, and that it allows you to do what you normally would love to do on your Imac...I'm a high school history teacher, I own an Imac and do my lessons on powerpoint, but before I fell in love with Apple I bought a dell inspiron laptop...it is heavy and a peace of crap...I would only use it when I took it to class and connected it to my projector, to do my lessons...the Macbook Air now solves all my problems, I can do my lessons on Keynote in school during my break period, surf the net on safari (which blows away any internet search engine), have itunes opened, mail, and so on...the Macbook air will allow me to have the essentials of my Imac in my briefcase at only 3lbs, which is exactly why they made it...if you want to create an elaborate movie or mix your bands new cd then go get a macbook pro but stop complaining about the Air, it's beautiful, to the point and well worth the buy! I can't wait for these 2 weeks to fly!!

CommodityFetish
Jan 21, 2008, 12:06 PM
Glad they're bringing wireless booting to all macs. Maybe this means other models without optical drives are in the works... <crosses fingers> :rolleyes:

The MBA is just ahead of its time -- as in the parts aren't really there yet. One or two years from now with faster, smaller processors and larger, less expensive solid state drives, and then you've really got something.

For my budget I can't justify paying that much more for sub-MB processor and hard-drive, no matter how much thinner or lighter it is!

I'll be waiting for the puck to catch up to where Apple has skated... :p

imwoblin
Jan 21, 2008, 12:10 PM
Having used one at Macworld I can say that the machines are really, really quick.

Whether this was just because it was a fresh install is something that should be considered but I closed an MBA to put it too sleep, made sure it was sleeping and opened the lid again, it must have woke up in under 3 seconds and was usable again. Amazing compared to my MBP.

All the applications seem fairly snappy but once again it was a clean install which was no doubt refreshed each evening.

Finally I was accessing some files on some of the Time Capsule units they had and it seemed pretty fast, Leopard has made network access considerably faster than on Tiger.
I think all the Apple demo Macbook Air's had the solid state drives in them. At least that is what I was told at Macworld.

TC2COOL
Jan 21, 2008, 12:11 PM
Did anyone else notice the manila envelope in the last few shots???

Surely that was something the 'Unboxers' had on hand...

I mean it would be pretty awesome if Apple shipped the Air with an envelope... At least I think so.

twoodcc
Jan 21, 2008, 12:15 PM
i wonder if this remote disk will become available in the other laptops and computers also?

Cubert
Jan 21, 2008, 12:21 PM
"Update: We've been told that Mac OS X 10.5.2 will bring wireless booting to all Macs."

Is this on Intel Macs only or on PowerPC, too?

KingYaba
Jan 21, 2008, 12:25 PM
Update: We've been told that Mac OS X 10.5.2 will bring wireless booting to all Macs.
This alone will make the wait worth it. :cool:

Domofloge
Jan 21, 2008, 12:30 PM
I mean it would be pretty awesome if Apple shipped the Air with an envelope... At least I think so.

That would be brilliant if the MBA was shipped with a minella envelope!! :D

cohibadad
Jan 21, 2008, 12:36 PM
It can be done without the $99 external SuperDrive if you have a computer that costs a lot more.

Will the exaggerated whining never end? how is a mini equivalent costing $599 more expensive?

Wonderful, beautiful machine which is relatively unusable and unsuited for 99% of Mac users.

But, they will sell a ton of them to the other 1%.

Not even tempted personally.

and I love statistics pulled out of the rear brain. relatively unusable and unsuited? Please. Unusable and unsuited for you doesn't equal 99% of Mac users.

aosman
Jan 21, 2008, 12:38 PM
Ah, can't wait for mine to get here!

happydude
Jan 21, 2008, 12:41 PM
wireless booting i must say is rather impressive. i'm assuming other random programs can be installed in a similar fashion. what about external hard drives?

this is my question too. does one have to buy time capsule in order to back up the MBA. i'm trying to sort out in my head if i'm getting this or a souped up MB. the decisions . . .

JayLenochiniMac
Jan 21, 2008, 12:44 PM
And those negative comments all boil down to the same thing:

Some people want a 12" or 13" MacBook Pro.


Yeah, those people fall in the same group of people who desire the return of the lampshade G4 iMac, along with the people who only want a 12" subnotebook. Apple isn't going to listen to them, just like we don't listen to old people who refuse to change with time.

krye
Jan 21, 2008, 12:46 PM
Holy minimilistic packaging Batman!

The more I look at it it the more I want one.

Must...resist...spending...another....$1800....must....resist....

xStep
Jan 21, 2008, 12:53 PM
"Update: We've been told that Mac OS X 10.5.2 will bring wireless booting to all Macs."

Wireless booting is in the firmware, so it would have to be a firmware upgrade, not an OS upgrade. Perhaps you meant to say the a firmware upgrade will be simultaneously released with the 10.5.2 update.

krye
Jan 21, 2008, 12:55 PM
this is my question too. does one have to buy time capsule in order to back up the MBA. i'm trying to sort out in my head if i'm getting this or a souped up MB. the decisions . . .

I picked up a new bus-powered USB enclosure and fitted it with a new drive (160G for $99!) I now use that for Time Machine. Every now and then (once, twice a week) I plug in the USB drive and let TM do its thing. It's not the huge inconvenience that Jobs makes it out to be. And the drive is small enough to not be annoying in a laptop bag.

$29 bucks, nice case. Check it out:
http://eshop.macsales.com/item/Other%20World%20Computing/MOTGSU2/

PS I also got the drive from them too.

SheriffParker
Jan 21, 2008, 12:57 PM
"Update: We've been told that Mac OS X 10.5.2 will bring wireless booting to all Macs."


What is the advantage of wireless booting on a machine with an optical drive?

marcg007
Jan 21, 2008, 12:59 PM
I would want the SSD which would in the long run still put this over the $3000.00 mark. Perhaps once I have a regular teaching gig, I'll be able to get my hands on one or maybe Apple will start selling other laptops with SSD in them rather than standard HDDs. Still looking forward to seeing these in person.

_bnkr612
Jan 21, 2008, 01:00 PM
Wireless Booting in the .2 update = The fix for the terrible wireless problems A LOT of users are having with their machines.

When calling an Apple Tech, I swear they are reading off of print out stuck next to their screen:

"You must have the signal blocked, try moving the machine somewhere else."

"There is nothing else I can do for you."

"Thank you, and buy a Airport Extreme Base Station."

morespce54
Jan 21, 2008, 01:04 PM
Update: We've been told that Mac OS X 10.5.2 will bring wireless booting to all Macs.This alone will make the wait worth it. :cool:

Awesome... This is the best (post)MWSF news... I can't wait for 10.5.2 :D
Actually, I've been waiting for 10.5.2 since.... 10.5.0! ;)

Cloudane
Jan 21, 2008, 01:06 PM
Holy minimilistic packaging Batman!

And the more I see it, the more I miss the old days when unpacking Apple gear meant plucking lots of goodies out of a box that was almost as expensive looking as the machine itself :) New iPods vs. Old iPods...

Though the iMac still had that fun to an extent. Mmm keyboard, mouse...

eddietr
Jan 21, 2008, 01:11 PM
I think all the Apple demo Macbook Air's had the solid state drives in them. At least that is what I was told at Macworld.

But I thought some of the pictures from the show had screen shots of system profiler showing the regular 80GB drive?

mkrishnan
Jan 21, 2008, 01:13 PM
Personally i thought it was pretty obvious that it would wirelessly boot! How else do they expect you to clean install or access disk utility functions from the Leopard DVD!

Well, it's actually the first device of this kind that can do such a thing.

Having purchased an ultracompact with no optical drive (the Eee, which admittedly is quite a lot less expensive and also 50% smaller again), this kind of feature would be an absolute lifesaver. I haven't really had to boot my Macs off DVD very often, but it does happen. The Eee, on which I was experimenting with various shades of Linux, needed it more often, since I fracked it up more than once (what I did for the Eee is just reformat a 4GB USB drive so that one gig is taken up by a persistent live Ubuntu boot disk, which solves the problem handily, as I can still use the other three gigs -- but were I still on the original OS, for which a live ISO does not exist, I would need a windows PC with a DVD player to write a recovery USB).

This is a really nice engineering addition. It's one of those "only Apple would bother to actually do it" features. A very elegant solution. And a very tempting notebook, although I am sold on my Eee experiment for at least one year.

mauricev
Jan 21, 2008, 01:19 PM
Update: We've been told that Mac OS X 10.5.2 will bring wireless booting to all Macs.

How exactly would that work? Booting is handled by the firmware. So it must include a firmware update. Also, it would not work for PowerPC Macs because they don't have EFI.

aswitcher
Jan 21, 2008, 01:21 PM
OK, wireless booting is just cool.

So I wonder which key gets held down to look for wireless disk booting...

abrooks
Jan 21, 2008, 01:34 PM
I think all the Apple demo Macbook Air's had the solid state drives in them. At least that is what I was told at Macworld.

None of the units at Macworld had SSD's in them. I don't know who told you that but it was untrue.

I'm quite certain that the reason these machines are shipping in two weeks is due to the fact that Apple is having trouble with the SSD, but that's just a hunch.

diamond.g
Jan 21, 2008, 01:38 PM
Will the exaggerated whining never end? how is a mini equivalent costing $599 more expensive?



and I love statistics pulled out of the rear brain. relatively unusable and unsuited? Please. Unusable and unsuited for you doesn't equal 99% of Mac users.

Um, $599 Mini -- $99 external drive

Pretty sure the Mini is more expensive. Of course the Mini is worth the 599, not so sure about the external drive.

jtfolden
Jan 21, 2008, 01:45 PM
How exactly would that work? Booting is handled by the firmware. So it must include a firmware update. Also, it would not work for PowerPC Macs because they don't have EFI.

PowerPC Macs are capable of booting off network volumes, though, are they not? Same principle at play here...

tcoop25
Jan 21, 2008, 01:51 PM
How about being able to use my Macbook drive wirelessly with my AppleTV to watch DVD movies. Now THAT would be useful!

Chris Grande
Jan 21, 2008, 02:29 PM
How exactly would that work? Booting is handled by the firmware. So it must include a firmware update. Also, it would not work for PowerPC Macs because they don't have EFI.

I'm guessing all 10.5.2 will bring is the "Remote Disk" listing within the Finder and build in the ability to host a drive. The system they are using is built on top of NetBoot which has worked on Macs all the way back to the original iMac. The really interesting thing is they have created a small NetBoot server which runs on Mac OS X Client and on Windows. I'm assuming any Mac (PPC/intel) would be able to boot off one of these hosted disks since the Startup Disk pref pane already supports showing them on the network and all macs let you search for a NetBoot volume on the startup by holding the "n" key.

Chris Grande
Jan 21, 2008, 02:30 PM
How about being able to use my Macbook drive wirelessly with my AppleTV to watch DVD movies. Now THAT would be useful!

Or being able to plug that MacBook Air USB drive into the AppleTV.

kornyboy
Jan 21, 2008, 02:38 PM
Wirelessly posted (iPhone: Mozilla/5.0 (iPhone; U; CPU like Mac OS X; en) AppleWebKit/420.1 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/3.0 Mobile/4A93 Safari/419.3)

Aww, I was hoping it would come out of the box in a manila envelope. :p

That would have been great!!

Jickel
Jan 21, 2008, 02:49 PM
I'm pretty sure they've been mentioning wireless booting in the guided tour video on Apple's website ever since the MBA was announced.

Well, at the end he says you can even use Remote Disc to install a new version of OS X. I guess that kindof equates to the same thing.

achtung!
Jan 21, 2008, 02:52 PM
damn, that macbook air package is huge! what a waste...

MacTO
Jan 21, 2008, 03:19 PM
Regardless of all the negative criticisms, you gotta love wireless booting! :D

Cheers! :apple:

emotion
Jan 21, 2008, 03:21 PM
Wireless booting, wirelessly using optical disks etc etc This might point to a situation where Apple finally twig and sell some kind of central machine for the home. Like a mac mini but with better storage or that new 1TB airport extreme with an optical drive. I know I want something like this.

This would make Apple TV make a lot more sense too (ie. it can wirelessly play DVDs, stuff you've downloaded etc etc).

JML42691
Jan 21, 2008, 03:31 PM
Wireless booting, wirelessly using optical disks etc etc This might point to a situation where Apple finally twig and sell some kind of central machine for the home. Like a mac mini but with better storage or that new 1TB airport extreme with an optical drive. I know I want something like this.

This would make Apple TV make a lot more sense too (ie. it can wirelessly play DVDs, stuff you've downloaded etc etc).
You've got a good point there. They could really take this and run with it.

zedsdead
Jan 21, 2008, 03:34 PM
Or being able to plug that MacBook Air USB drive into the AppleTV.

That would be nice upgrade. I just can't stand having two separate units (not that I watch many DVD's anymore). I understand why Apple does not want a DVD player in it because they want people to buy/rent from iTunes, but honestly I think it would sell more units because people could transition nicely over.

trogdor!
Jan 21, 2008, 03:59 PM
My question is how do you set up wireless booting with a wpa encryped wireless network with a SSID that is not broadcasted? Can you put these settings into the efi?

emotion
Jan 21, 2008, 04:14 PM
You've got a good point there. They could really take this and run with it.

Yeah, I'm hoping this is what we're headed for.

samdaman1313
Jan 21, 2008, 04:22 PM
Sheesh, those unboxing pictures are making want an Air.

me too!!!

what is wireless booting tho? and i wish the mba was cheaper, and a bigger hard drive would be nice... also would love an update to the MB with aluminum and the black backlight keyboard! they would sell TONS of those :)

Virgil-TB2
Jan 21, 2008, 04:37 PM
It will be interesting to see some performance tests. I wonder how slow this thing will be with the 4200 rpm drive. I also wonder how well the wireless DVD actually works. ...Actually, there isn't really a "Wireless DVD" on the MacBook Air.

If you are thinking of watching DVD's for instance by putting the DVD in the closest available PC and watching the thing Wirelessly, then you were not paying that close attention to the KeyNote.

The ability to access a nearby optical drive wirelessly was touted only for software installs. Jobs specifically did not mention watching video over a wirelessly connected optical drive and pointed users in the direction of movies downloaded to the hard drive.

It *might* work, (it would depend on the bit-rate), but this is not something that is specifically listed as possible. We shall see when they ship.

Aww, I was hoping it would come out of the box in a manila envelope. :pNo one has mentioned it here, but isn't this the first Apple laptop to ship without styrofoam?

That's a big win if you ask me. :)

digitalbiker
Jan 21, 2008, 04:44 PM
I think all the Apple demo Macbook Air's had the solid state drives in them. At least that is what I was told at Macworld.

That would make sense as the SSD drives are about the same speed as a 10,000 rpm drive without the spin-up issues.

The 1.8" 4200 rpm drives are dog slow! My old PB G4 had the 4200 rpm 2.5" drive running panther. I later replaced it with the faster 7200 drive and it made a huge difference in performance.

I couldn't believe that a drive update would matter that much.

Actually, there isn't really a "Wireless DVD" on the MacBook Air.

If you are thinking of watching DVD's for instance by putting the DVD in the closest available PC and watching the thing Wirelessly, then you were not paying that close attention to the KeyNote.

The ability to access a nearby optical drive wirelessly was touted only for software installs. Jobs specifically did not mention watching video over a wirelessly connected optical drive and pointed users in the direction of movies downloaded to the hard drive.

It *might* work, (it would depend on the bit-rate), but this is not something that is specifically listed as possible. We shall see when they ship.

Sorry, I should have been more specific with the term "wireless remote optical drive access" instead of "wireless DVD".

I didn't mean to imply anything with regard to DVD videos. I just meant loading software by DVD. Whenever I have loaded software via a network as opposed to a wired DVD device it always takes much longer.

My question is how do you set up wireless booting with a wpa encryped wireless network with a SSID that is not broadcasted? Can you put these settings into the efi?

I was wondering about that too. I wonder if it will only boot wirelessly if there is a pre-existing OS on the system or if they actually have a small hidden boot partition on the HDD.

It seems that the MBA will need some sort of pre-existing file that contains network connection details like login account, passwords, encryption keys, etc. Otherwise how will it connect to the machine that serves the optical media to the MBA.

NYCMacFan
Jan 21, 2008, 05:12 PM
I wonder when the reviews for the Macbook Air Come Out??? Soon?

Who has one? I was under the impression that even the stores in the US have not gotten any floor display models?

Anyone see/hear differently?

I would want the SSD which would in the long run still put this over the $3000.00 mark. Perhaps once I have a regular teaching gig, I'll be able to get my hands on one or maybe Apple will start selling other laptops with SSD in them rather than standard HDDs. Still looking forward to seeing these in person.

Yeah. Although what I may do is go with the MBA 1.6htz and then upgrade to the SSD. With educational discount, this makes it $2,598.

I am on an old ibook G4 and so anything will see so fast, I'd rather have the extra 20-30 minutes in battery life that I am guessing the 1.6 has to offer at its lower wattage.

I won't pre-order as I really want to hold the MBA and especially get a sense of the size/weight. I really also check out the speaker quality as my ibook is rather loud for its size and I fear the speaker on this thing...

mmendoza27
Jan 21, 2008, 05:40 PM
I agree with other posters that the MBA is ahead of it's time. It's a great device, but they sacrificed a lot to get it in such a small package. I think when Intel starts shooting out 32 and 22 nm processors, along with cheaper prices for SSD, this will be a real winner.

As for people wanting one now, more power to them if it works for them. I dunno, my next laptop purchase will not be until mid or late-2009, so we'll see if this is my next laptop, or a the then 17" MBP, which is what I have now.

I like the whole wireless thing. I have all my media on my external hard drive which is hooked up to my airport extreme. I just stream all my music, DVD's, and high-definition movies to my 17" MacBook Pro. I'd be doing the same with the MBA, everything would be wirelessly and I'd never really use the ports on the side, with the exception of the micro-DVI.

pjmurphy77
Jan 21, 2008, 06:22 PM
WOW! How big was your focus group?? Out of the 10 Mac users I just queried, 8 love this thing and 6 will buy.



Wonderful, beautiful machine which is relatively unusable and unsuited for 99% of Mac users.

But, they will sell a ton of them to the other 1%.

Not even tempted personally.

Stratus Fear
Jan 21, 2008, 06:31 PM
I was wondering about that too. I wonder if it will only boot wirelessly if there is a pre-existing OS on the system or if they actually have a small hidden boot partition on the HDD.

It seems that the MBA will need some sort of pre-existing file that contains network connection details like login account, passwords, encryption keys, etc. Otherwise how will it connect to the machine that serves the optical media to the MBA.

I'm not sure why this would be the case. If you take a look at Apple's developer notes, the MacBook Air's EFI ROM is twice the size of that of their other machines (4MB vs 2MB). It's not at all far-fetched that they could fit a lightweight 802.11 stack, Wi-Fi driver, and simple configuration and graphical connection interface for wireless booting within the extra 2MB. Putting something on the HDD wouldn't make nearly as much sense, IMO. That's a far more volatile storage area than a ROM that rarely gets written to outside of firmware updates.

Ugg
Jan 21, 2008, 06:34 PM
No one has mentioned it here, but isn't this the first Apple laptop to ship without styrofoam?

That's a big win if you ask me. :)

3 years ago I bought a 12" PowerBook and there wasn't even a styrofoam peanut in the box, it was all cardboard.

elgruga
Jan 21, 2008, 06:59 PM
Wonderful, beautiful machine which is relatively unusable and unsuited for 99% of Mac users.


I dont agree - you have it backwards:
Its unusable for 1% of Mac users and just fine (if we are honest) for the other 99%.

They might not be able to afford it, and they believe that they need all the extra ports, but they dont.

Most people surf the 'net, get their email and write Word documents or mess about with Photoshop.
Thats all. Easy with the Air.

if you want to watch DVD's , get the add-on drive for $99. (thats actually really cheap, and you can use it with any computer with a USB 2.0 port, I think.)


Of course, we all have fantasies that we are serious hackers and we need a huge tower with 8 terabytes of storage and 6 redundant back-up systems and a RAID array with UPS for 12 kilowatts blah blah.

ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ.... sorry, I fell asleep there daydreaming about my perfect computer waiting for me on the planet Zargon.

nintyuser
Jan 21, 2008, 07:05 PM
Ok. So with wireless booting being added in 10.5.2. I want to clarify this, so will it add remote disc to mbp/mb's, mac pro's,imacs, mini's(running leopard of course) etc. Or is it just wireless from another mac/pc? Kinda confused as to what this means or does anyone not know for sure.

Thanks! :D

elgruga
Jan 21, 2008, 07:24 PM
I LOVE the AIR - going to buy one as soon as they arrive!

Worlds thinnest, lightest, and most beautiful computer.

cohibadad
Jan 21, 2008, 07:35 PM
Um, $599 Mini -- $99 external drive

Pretty sure the Mini is more expensive. Of course the Mini is worth the 599, not so sure about the external drive.

lol. I thought he meant a computer that costs a lot more...than a MBA. :o

dannbohn
Jan 21, 2008, 07:37 PM
It can be done without the $99 external SuperDrive if you have a computer that costs a lot more.

I'm pretty sure the MBA isn't meant to be your only computer.

rtdunham
Jan 21, 2008, 07:50 PM
I'm pretty sure the MBA isn't meant to be your only computer.

Probably true. But I've outlined a scenario below that can give you up to 320GB storage, plus the ability to back up under a variety of circumstances. With the SSD model this would be potent stuff!

...does one have to buy time capsule in order to back up the MBA. . .

Short answer: NO. Long answer:

i spent a lot of time at MWSF with the apple guys at the MBAir and Time Capsule displays, grilling them on backup strategies (with only one USB port the simplest methods aren't viable on an Air).

They assured me i could back up an Air to a) time capsule using time machine; b) a 3rd party NAS drive connected to a non-apple router, using time machine; c) an NAS drive using superduper or some other backup app; d) an external drive using time machine. And I think they told me i could backup to time capsule's HD using some other backup app, but i won't swear to that.

The problem I have is that with only 64 or 80 GB of storage, an external drive is (for my purposes, at least) going to have to be used just to carry the files I'd normally carry on my MB or MBP. So the real question is, "how do you backup your external drive?" That's not a problem if you have another computer with more typical, more generous port configuration (meaning ANY other mac). If you don't, and have only the Air, it's a challenge: a) b) or c) above would work; d) wouldn't.

And I figure lots of buyers would want to carry the Air back and forth between home and office, or, as in my case, two different home bases. I'm sometimes at one place or the other for more than a month, so I'm going to want to make backups in both places. I was disappointed to hear from the MWSF apple guys that time machine can ONLY back up to a single target (meaning my scheme, to hang an NAS drive or Time Capsule at both my destinations, and use time machine at each place, won't work. I can, however--and this would be my plan--use time capsule at one location with time machine, and use an NAS drive and superduper at the other).

It's not unreasonable for a dramatic new product to force some compromises, and to spawn some creative new solutions.

eddietr
Jan 21, 2008, 07:58 PM
Short answer: NO. Long answer:

[snipped]

It's not unreasonable for a dramatic new product to force some compromises, and to spawn some creative new solutions.

Hmmm, it sounds like your work pattern is such that 64 or 80GB is not particularly practical for you. The MBA is a great compact design, but I'm not sure if I'd be as interested in it with a HD hanging off the side most of the time. Maybe a MBP would be better?

But if you stick with the MBA, you could put a small time machine drive and a small usb hub in our bag when you move from home base to home base.

rtdunham
Jan 21, 2008, 08:10 PM
Hmmm, it sounds like your work pattern is such that 64 or 80GB is not particularly practical for you. The MBA is a great compact design, but I'm not sure if I'd be as interested in it with a HD hanging off the side most of the time. Maybe a MBP would be better?

You're right. My present computer's a MB. I bought a western digital scorpio 320 GB internal for it, and a WD passport external 320 for backup. That certainly leaves me with less to carry around, with all my files on the machine's drive, and with added functionality (the internal optical drive, dual usb ports and a firewire port, etc.)

But I'm going to use the updated setup to explore how things would work in the MBAir scenario i outlined above. By the time that experiment's done there might be a new MBP to tempt me, or i might be content with the MB, or i might do as my brother's done and order the SSD Air.

But if you stick with the MBA, you could put a small time machine drive and a small usb hub in your bag when you move from home base to home base.

In addition to the apple folks, i spent considerable time with very knowledgeable guys at LaCie and Western Digital, discussing the backup schemes. They think that usb hub would have to be a powered one, if it's used to connect the external HD AND a 2nd external HD to back it up. Obviously by the time you add a couple (even small) external drives and an optical drive and a powered hub, you've equalled or exceeded the weight and volume of a MB or MBP, AND you're carrying a bunch of little pieces instead of the convenience of all-in-one.

Like i said, the Air poses some challenges and it'll be interesting to see what solutions sort out for some of them.

nintyuser
Jan 21, 2008, 08:14 PM
So it looks like it's been corrected on the main page. But wireless booting or remote disc like capabilities still are neat to have in other macs. I mean would blu-ray/hddvd drives work? For data back up of course. Movie play back maybe. Or is it only set to work with booting software? Any thoughts?

nintyuser
Jan 21, 2008, 08:18 PM
Ah i get it. Wireless sharing so it won't add remote disc to current macs. Boo! I know apple wants people to get the Air. But I clearly would pay money or something to get the remote disc software for my pro. I just like the fact that it's neat to use since I could use a newer dvd drive or hd drives. Ah well feb 8th isn't to far away to try this stuff out in apple stores. Or somebody leaks it on the net for other mac users to use...

eddietr
Jan 21, 2008, 08:21 PM
They think that usb hub would have to be a powered one, if it's used to connect the external HD AND a 2nd external HD to back it up. Obviously by the time you add a couple (even small) external drives and an optical drive and a powered hub, you've equalled or exceeded the weight and volume of a MB or MBP, AND you're carrying a bunch of little pieces instead of the convenience of all-in-one.

Yes, good point about power.

I don't know, sounds a bit ugly to me. There is a reason Apple offers three different Macbook sizes. One size certainly does not fit all.

I ordered the SSD also. But my usage pattern is very different, so the 64GB works for me. And carrying my MBP around is overkill.

evillageprowler
Jan 21, 2008, 09:23 PM
I'm surprised that so many folks are ga-ga over the wireless booting/install capability of the MBA... Wireless booting is just network booting using 802.11 instead of 802.3, and network booting has been around since the '80's. Sun workstations used to be routinely configured without any local disk whatsoever; everything was obtained remotely, including the swap area.

There've been many network boot/install methods since then, including Jumpstart, PXE, DHCP, bootp and homegrown wrappers around basic network booting. We've had this sort of thing for all sorts of computers: Suns, Apollos, Linux PC's and Windows PC's to name just a few.

This part of the MBA is much ado about nothing. Now, the package as a whole is quite impressive. Pricey and probably not for me, but impressive nevertheless.

EVP

rkevwill
Jan 21, 2008, 10:08 PM
I'm not sure how much good wireless booting would do me, if I'm in a little hotel I frequent in Montana (which has great wifi btw). Personally I am hoping there is or will be some way to put a boot disk on a usb keydrive. Frankly, in the last 10 years I have only had one serious problem (that was in St Martin) with a laptop when traveling, and that was on a Win98 machine. I am still trying to figure out, how will wireless booting help, if your machine is dead or locked up, and you haven't been able to select the wireless disk as the boot disk.

I'm just thoroughly cornfused on that part. Oh well, I will be getting one of the MBA's when my ibook turns 3 later this year, and I will deal with that situation and knowledge then. At any rate, I doubt very seriously if I will get an external optical drive.

I also played with the MBA's at Macworld, and indeed, they are very cool, very sturdy, and very light devices.

Antimatter
Jan 21, 2008, 10:28 PM
I don't get what all the fuss is about wireless booting. Wow! I can boot my Mac wirelessly. Are we that lazy now? Someone care to enlighten me?

xparaparafreakx
Jan 21, 2008, 11:11 PM
The firmware is already in there, you have to ask the macworld people to show you.

Hold option when you start it up, the option to select disc comes up.

Below it, it has a list of wireless it can connect with a button to refresh the list.

In the list, you can pick wireless networks. The ones with a lock, you can put the password so you can connect into it.

Also on the bottom of the list, there is a choice to put in the SSID and Password.

digitalbiker
Jan 21, 2008, 11:39 PM
I LOVE the AIR - going to buy one as soon as they arrive!

Worlds thinnest, lightest, and most beautiful computer.

I guess to each his own. I think it looks kind of ugly and out dated. The aluminum clam shell saucer wedge shape has been the defacto standard for years now.

I wish Apple would get off this silver, gray, metal kick.

It also looks like Apple could have reduced the foot print a lot and not sacrificed any thickness just by rounding, rather than tapering the bezel.

moki
Jan 22, 2008, 01:31 AM
Wonderful, beautiful machine which is relatively unusable and unsuited for 99% of Mac users.

But, they will sell a ton of them to the other 1%.

Not even tempted personally.

For what it's worth, here's why I ordered a MacBook Air. (http://www.ambrosiasw.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=117844)

BWhaler
Jan 22, 2008, 02:19 AM
It looks incredible. I can't wait until mine arrives, and fingers crossed that it doesn't have the Apple quality problems of late...

Also, it is good to see Apple lead the way with smaller packaging for the environment. This is great.

008325
Jan 22, 2008, 02:44 AM
Can install Windows XP or Vista via Wireless Boot ?

emotion
Jan 22, 2008, 03:30 AM
For what it's worth, here's why I ordered a MacBook Air. (http://www.ambrosiasw.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=117844)

You want EVDO? WiMax is coming. Intel are behind it, so I expect Apple to be too.

Maybe Google's attempt at buying frequencies will mean a nation-wide (US) WiMax network? Anyway, I think this is what the future holds for Apple mobile devices.

Spanna
Jan 22, 2008, 03:40 AM
If the MBA is using ipod sized hard drives would you be able to swap out the 80 gig hard drive for the 160 gig hard drive from the ipod classic ?

emotion
Jan 22, 2008, 03:42 AM
If the MBA is using ipod sized hard drives would you be able to swap out the 80 gig hard drive for the 160 gig hard drive from the ipod classic ?

I think the 160GB ipod drive is a dual platter drive with extra thickness. Look at the size of the respective iPods.

Spanna
Jan 22, 2008, 04:02 AM
I think the 160GB ipod drive is a dual platter drive with extra thickness. Look at the size of the respective iPods.
I wonder what the difference in thickness is. Also is 80 gig the biggest single platter ipod sized hard drive you can get ?

moki
Jan 22, 2008, 04:20 AM
You want EVDO? WiMax is coming. Intel are behind it, so I expect Apple to be too.

Maybe Google's attempt at buying frequencies will mean a nation-wide (US) WiMax network? Anyway, I think this is what the future holds for Apple mobile devices.

I have an EVDO card & data account with Verizon, so yes, I want EVDO. :)

I will entertain WiMax when it is ubiquitous, though.

emotion
Jan 22, 2008, 04:23 AM
I have an EVDO card & data account with Verizon, so yes, I want EVDO. :)

:) Fair enough, I wasn't really making comment on that. More that Apple are unlikely to go that route given the iPhone is GSM and they're heavily committed to Intel's wireless strategy.

diamond.g
Jan 22, 2008, 05:57 AM
I wonder what the difference in thickness is. Also is 80 gig the biggest single platter ipod sized hard drive you can get ?I am pretty sure 80GB is the largest 1.8" platter you can get.

:) Fair enough, I wasn't really making comment on that. More that Apple are unlikely to go that route given the iPhone is GSM and they're heavily committed to Intel's wireless strategy.
How is Apple commited to Intel's wireless strategy when Apple doesn't use Intel's wireless chipset?

emotion
Jan 22, 2008, 06:26 AM
How is Apple commited to Intel's wireless strategy when Apple doesn't use Intel's wireless chipset?

I don't mean that. I mean the commitment to WiMax. It's clear Intel and Apple are close (the Broadcom, or Atheros Macbook/Pro chips sure are an anomaly though).

I could be way off, I guess we'll see.

diamond.g
Jan 22, 2008, 06:51 AM
I don't mean that. I mean the commitment to WiMax. It's clear Intel and Apple are close (the Broadcom, or Atheros Macbook/Pro chips sure are an anomaly though).

I could be way off, I guess we'll see.

Ah, I would think Apple would be more inclined to go with LTE before WiMAX. They would have to work with either Clearwire or Sprint to get WiMAX. If Apple didn't go to (at least) Sprint for the iPhone, why would it go to them for WWAN access?

emotion
Jan 22, 2008, 07:49 AM
Ah, I would think Apple would be more inclined to go with LTE before WiMAX. They would have to work with either Clearwire or Sprint to get WiMAX.

Indeed. All this depends on what Google plan imo. It makes for interesting viewing all this :)

gkarris
Jan 22, 2008, 10:27 AM
I am pretty sure 80GB is the largest 1.8" platter you can get.

The company that makes them announced a 120GB to available later this year (and of course the 240 for the dual platter).

Interesting that they did this in Japan, as ultra-thin and sub-notes are extremely popular over there in the Pacific Rim.

The MBA will be very successful there.

digitalbiker
Jan 22, 2008, 11:57 AM
Interesting that they did this in Japan, as ultra-thin and sub-notes are extremely popular over there in the Pacific Rim.

The MBA will be very successful there.

Not so sure about that! Usually the Japanese embrace small things. The MBA is really big. It is the same physical size as an MBP only quarter inch thinner.

Agreed it is lighter. But I think the pacific rim is used to working with smaller devices like the popularity of text messaging on cell phones, PSP game and video device, etc.

gkarris
Jan 22, 2008, 12:32 PM
Not so sure about that! Usually the Japanese embrace small things. The MBA is really big. It is the same physical size as an MBP only quarter inch thinner.

Agreed it is lighter. But I think the pacific rim is used to working with smaller devices like the popularity of text messaging on cell phones, PSP game and video device, etc.


OOps, forgot - yea. They like the sub-notes especially, the ones with the 5"-8" screens....

I do think it will end up selling better there than say here in the US. Apple had to compromise again, give us the larger screen and full keyboard, but try to appeal to the light-note/sub-note crowd...

ogee
Jan 22, 2008, 12:49 PM
I cant see the photos. I get a not authorized message :(

Marky_Mark
Jan 22, 2008, 03:10 PM
Yes, same here. And this is after registering for a new account too. Useless! :rolleyes:

Mosqueda
Jan 22, 2008, 08:52 PM
I can't see the pictures for some reason.

michaelverdin
Feb 4, 2008, 04:03 AM
damn, i just registered for nothing....