iBook Changes=Major Changes [Archive]

cmaracz88

Oct 22, 2003, 03:12 PM

I really want one of those new iBooks. This is the big revision we've been waiting for. USB 2.0, slot loading combo drive, G4 proccessor, DDR Ram, 128 MB more Ram, and Airport Extreme all at the same price (in Canada at least). It's like a brand new computer. I want it so bad it's not even funny even though I have an iBook from the last revision. Perhaps on Christmas I'll get an upgrade to that model.

shadowfax

Oct 22, 2003, 03:15 PM

this is definitely a great upgrade to the iBooks this time around. it's most certainly they year of the laptop for apple, though the same is true of the industry, and it's not so much this year as a growing trend that will continue in years to come.

5300cs

Oct 22, 2003, 06:11 PM

I just bought an iBook in August, the same model as you have, cmaracz88. I'm kind of pissed that they updated them, especially after I just bought one :mad:

Here's my question: I haven't looked really closely, but what advantages do the PowerBooks have over iBooks now? The fastest iBook is a 1Ghz G4, isn't the 12" AliBook the same? What's different (re: better) in the AliBook?

shadowfax

Oct 22, 2003, 06:18 PM

Originally posted by 5300cs
I just bought an iBook in August, the same model as you have, cmaracz88. I'm kind of pissed that they updated them, especially after I just bought one :mad:

Here's my question: I haven't looked really closely, but what advantages do the PowerBooks have over iBooks now? The fastest iBook is a 1Ghz G4, isn't the 12" AliBook the same? What's different (re: better) in the AliBook? man, updates are a fact of life. don't be mad.

also, there is a lot better about the 12 inch powerbook over the 14 inch iBook. for instance, a better graphics card, the fact that it's made out of aluminum, the fact that it has 512k L2 cache, and that it's 12 inches rather than 14. there's only a 100$ price difference, anyway. btw, it's AlBook or AluBook.

evil

Oct 22, 2003, 06:35 PM

i have a rev A powerbook that i bought before they dropped the price. 650 bucks CDN! then went and did updates.

and..well..all i can say is oh well.
ive had it for 6 months now and i have used it a hell of a lot so i feel like i got my moneys worth.
oh yeah...my aluminum casing right near the power hole thing bent somehow. i havent done anythign crazywith it either.

mms

Oct 22, 2003, 06:42 PM

12 inch PB you also have the choice of SuperDrive while you can only get the Combo drive on the iBook.

shadowfax

Oct 22, 2003, 06:47 PM

Originally posted by mms
12 inch PB you also have the choice of SuperDrive while you can only get the Combo drive on the iBook. the superdrive, though, is $300 more than the 14" 1 GHz iBook. you pay $200 to go from combo -> superdrive.

alset

Oct 22, 2003, 06:57 PM

And to think, I didn't figure on replacing my iBook for a long time.... Now I have gear lust!

Dan

Eniregnat

Oct 22, 2003, 10:00 PM

For me the drive is necessity. My revB iTang has too many problems. I’ve burnt through a few keyboards, 1 cd drive, and a screen (all under Apple Care), and I love it. Considering the distance it’s traveled and the number of hours its worked, it has more than met my expectations. The fact that I can't run OSX on it and the fact it has some board issues that it never had before cause me to need another machine. I like the durability and cost of the iBook, but I need the features of the 12"PB.

Now I just need cash. I hope there will be a major revision before the changes before my iTang dies, if I am forced to I will settle with what ever I can afford- when I can aford it.

The debate as to where and when it will happen dosn't do much for me.

5300cs

Oct 23, 2003, 12:44 AM

Originally posted by shadowfax
man, updates are a fact of life. don't be mad.

also, there is a lot better about the 12 inch powerbook over the 14 inch iBook. for instance, a better graphics card, the fact that it's made out of aluminum, the fact that it has 512k L2 cache, and that it's 12 inches rather than 14. there's only a 100$ price difference, anyway. btw, it's AlBook or AluBook.

I'm not so much angry as I am pissed that I didn't see it coming beforehand.

I have a 14" iBook that I almost never use though, so if the new G4 iBook really appeals to me I can always sell it. And if the new iBooks make more money for them, then go Apple. :)

(I wonder if the iBooks will have heat problems like the 12" AluBook.)

ryme4reson

Oct 23, 2003, 02:59 AM

I heard the "G4" iBook doesnt include an AltiVec unit. Check out Slashdot.org for more info.

Sounds like Apple is pulling a fast one....

panphage

Oct 23, 2003, 03:02 AM

It's a G4, it's Altivec, it's Moto. Nuff said.

ryme4reson

Oct 23, 2003, 03:14 AM

How do you, nuff said, thats the stupidiest excuse for acceptance I have heard in a long time. Disputes my claim with facts,, not words out of you ass

revenuee

Oct 23, 2003, 03:27 AM

Originally posted by ryme4reson
How do you, nuff said, thats the stupidiest excuse for acceptance I have heard in a long time. Disputes my claim with facts,, not words out of you ass

Some of these have been mentioned already in the posts

12" PB is 1 Ghz
12" is ibook is 800 mhz 14" is 1 Ghz

12 PB has a better L2 Cache if i'm not mistaken

video card on 12 PB supports dual display not just mirroring like on the iBooks.

1 GIG ram in 12 PB in revision B vs 640 in the new ibooks

No superdrive on 12 iBook

Gigabit Eathernet on 12 PB? 10/100 on ibooks

Obviosly construction of the two units Alum vs so polyplastic- lol

what am i missing guys?

ryme4reson

Oct 23, 2003, 03:32 AM

If you check the specs on all "G4" systems its shows PowerPC G4 with velocity engine, but nowhere does the iBook specs show Altivec

ryme4reson

Oct 23, 2003, 03:37 AM

Read

http://macslash.org/article.pl?sid=03/10/23/027251

revenuee

Oct 23, 2003, 03:37 AM

Originally posted by ryme4reson
If you check the specs on all "G4" systems its shows PowerPC G4 with velocity engine, but nowhere does the iBook specs show Altivec

Tech Specs for Powerbooks
Processor and Memory

1GHz PowerPC G4 processor with Velocity Engine, 512K SRAM on-chip L2 cache, 133MHz system bus (12-inch models)

Technical Specifications for iBooks
Processor and memory

800MHz, 933MHz or 1GHz PowerPC G4 processor with 256K on-chip level 2 cache running at full processor speed

Notice Velocity Engine in one and not the other...

ryme4reson has point

ryme4reson

Oct 23, 2003, 03:44 AM

nuff said, lol just kidding

hob

Oct 23, 2003, 12:31 PM

I have a G3 900mhz iBook, and have only had it for about 2 months... I am wondering if Apple could be pursuaded to switch me for a G4 800mhz or if there's anyway i can lift the lid and upgrade?

Hob

shadowfax

Oct 23, 2003, 12:49 PM

if this thing doesnt have a velocity engine, though, it basically won't be a G4. i think it may just be an inconsistency between the team that makes the PB page and the one that makes the iBook page. the PPC 750GX/FX are both G3s, as near as i can tell. ultimately, we have to wait till an iBook owner checks his iBook.

reflex

Oct 23, 2003, 01:11 PM

I assume that there's no real need to mention the velocity engine now that all Apple computers (except the education ones) have it.

fraeone

Oct 23, 2003, 01:14 PM

I have no idea where this ridiculous rumor about the ibook g4 not having altivec came from.

Here are some FACTS:

All G4's have 'altivec' or 'velocity engine' if they didn't it would be a G3.

According to XBench results, the new G4 ibook uses the 7455 processor, the same used in the rev a 12" powerbooks.

'nuff said.

Sun Baked

Oct 23, 2003, 01:15 PM

Originally posted by reflex
I assume that there's no real need to mention the velocity engine now that all Apple computers (except the education ones) have it. Don't say that. ;)

Please don't give the...

"Individuals holding the used brain donor cards"

...any ideas.

revenuee

Oct 23, 2003, 04:16 PM

How do i access.. or GET X Bench...

shadowfax

Oct 23, 2003, 04:28 PM

Originally posted by revenuee
How do i access.. or GET X Bench... go here (http://www.versiontracker.com/dyn/moreinfo/macosx/16231).

revenuee

Oct 23, 2003, 04:38 PM

Originally posted by shadowfax
go here (http://www.versiontracker.com/dyn/moreinfo/macosx/16231).

thanks

my 400 mhz scored 44.96 - seems average for this computer type

flipflash77

Oct 23, 2003, 04:52 PM

Originally posted by fraeone
I have no idea where this ridiculous rumor about the ibook g4 not having altivec came from.

Here are some FACTS:

All G4's have 'altivec' or 'velocity engine' if they didn't it would be a G3.

According to XBench results, the new G4 ibook uses the 7455 processor, the same used in the rev a 12" powerbooks.

'nuff said.

Just to further this point and forever quash this totally stupid rumour that the iBook doesn't have a Velocity Engine simply because they didn't write it into the specs, Apple has updated the specs page and it is now written into the specs explicitly (they've also corrected the maximum RAM listing to 640 MB).

http://www.apple.com/ibook/specs.html

Pretty soon people will start bitching that the ISO keyboard has one extra key over the US-layout keyboard. OH NO! WHY DON'T WE HAVE THAT KEY!?! BLASTED APPLE! ;)

vlazlo

Oct 24, 2003, 09:09 AM

latergator116

Oct 24, 2003, 10:03 AM

Don't know if it has been brought up, has anyone heard if the keyboard on the new ibook is the same? I am excited about the upgrades and will get a new ibook unless the keyboard is the same as on the last one. Thanks v

I heard they are improved but not as good as the ones in the powerbook. They are sturdier but they still flip up to put in the airport card.