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Cybergypsy
Feb 9, 2008, 02:35 PM
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2186/2252628423_259e2eb869.jpg



xUKHCx
Feb 9, 2008, 02:40 PM
That is pretty thin indeed.

Can we have a fatness shot?

deniser
Feb 9, 2008, 02:43 PM
If I were a magician....................my next trick would be...........:D


That looks so cool in that pic

aiongiant
Feb 9, 2008, 02:44 PM
compared to a 12" powerbook =)

skyrider007
Feb 9, 2008, 02:45 PM
it's lovely, madam.

teerexx52
Feb 9, 2008, 02:51 PM
compared to a 12" powerbook =)

Thats impressive

iDAG
Feb 9, 2008, 03:00 PM
compared to a 12" powerbook =)

That is just unbelievable! :eek: It is amazing what Apple/technology can do in a few years time.

aiongiant
Feb 9, 2008, 03:07 PM
haha yea i'm very amazed how thin and light this thing is

theres no apple store or antyhing near me so ive only seen pics and such
but now being able to hold it and everything
it's just omg it's awesome

it's truly something you have to touch and feel to really appreciate it i think

lorinserbenz
Feb 9, 2008, 03:11 PM
Post a picture next to a Macbook Pro, its not that impressive...
The old Powerbooks are thicker than the Macbook Pros


The Macbook air is as thick as the bottom section of a 15 inch Macbook Pro.

CalBoy
Feb 9, 2008, 03:17 PM
The Macbook air is as thick as the bottom section of a 15 inch Macbook Pro.

Not quite.

The mbp is 1" all around while the MBA is .76" at the thickest point.

aiongiant
Feb 9, 2008, 03:18 PM
vs macbook pro

still pretty thin... and it's a big dif in weight

lorinserbenz
Feb 9, 2008, 03:47 PM
Take a shot from the top with both notebooks butted up to each other....
The air seems really thin from the sides but the overall thinness is deceptive since it tapers at the edges.

ob81
Feb 9, 2008, 04:04 PM
Take a shot from the top with both notebooks butted up to each other....
The air seems really thin from the sides but the overall thinness is deceptive since it tapers at the edges.

You are forcing it :) I saw an Air upclose and I did notice that the thin part, while quite thin, still sat about as high as the Macbook pro when side by side. Not many show from the rear either.
This I have come to realize is the entire point of the MBA though: Thin as Air, but when opened you have a full blown laptop to use.

MacRumorUser
Feb 9, 2008, 04:22 PM
The weird thing is after a while of using the MBA you forget the size of your previous laptop... I only noticed how the real difference today when it was side by side with a mbp again..

Varnim
Feb 9, 2008, 04:56 PM
These photos are amazing. I just hope I haven't hyped it to much when it finally arrives!

Cybergypsy
Feb 9, 2008, 05:08 PM
The thing that gets me is how well it built, after owning all revs of the macbook, and the current MBP, I have to say this is amazing,the macbooks were thrown together, I had so many issues, they even sent me a free 17 MBP for my troubles. This thing is Beautiful :)

Techguy172
Feb 9, 2008, 05:22 PM
It does look quite thin but just not powerful enough.

aiongiant
Feb 9, 2008, 05:33 PM
It does look quite thin but just not powerful enough.

it was never meant to be a super powered machine

kinda amazed how powerful it is for it's size thought
and it does't really feel "slow" but maybe it's casue i'm still oohhhing and aahhing while it loads haha

Techguy172
Feb 9, 2008, 05:43 PM
it was never meant to be a super powered machine

kinda amazed how powerful it is for it's size thought
and it does't really feel "slow" but maybe it's casue i'm still oohhhing and aahhing while it loads haha

Yeah but just wait till photoshop comes along.

sterlingindigo
Feb 9, 2008, 06:01 PM
Just got back from demo'ing a MBA at Best Buy (although their web site says it's not available in store yet). The dern thing is SUPER THIN but sturdy, very nice. Can't wait for the 8" or 9" version to come out.

Basically, I can't friggin believe how thin it really is, in person. It's an engineering marvel. Has anyone been mortally wounded by the thin edges yet? In our society, there should defintely be a warning label on the Air.

aiongiant
Feb 9, 2008, 07:00 PM
Yeah but just wait till photoshop comes along.

um yeap i have photoshop installed on it
and it runs fine.. im not editing 20 megapixel images on it or anything

if i want to use photoshop in all it's greatness i would be using it on my mac pro where i have tons of cpu and memory to take anything

like i said earlier it was never meant to be a supermachine
it is not a "pro" machine

Techguy172
Feb 9, 2008, 07:05 PM
um yeap i have photoshop installed on it
and it runs fine.. im not editing 20 megapixel images on it or anything

if i want to use photoshop in all it's greatness i would be using it on my mac pro where i have tons of cpu and memory to take anything

like i said earlier it was never meant to be a supermachine
it is not a "pro" machine

I know it's not supposed to be super powerful so That's why I HATE it and I won't get one I have to say it's pretty impressive how thin it is just not practical.

Eric Lewis
Feb 9, 2008, 07:06 PM
can you take a picture

of the back side vs back side of macbook/pro/powerbook?

the 0.76 side

cohibadad
Feb 9, 2008, 07:30 PM
MBA is thin but I really don't notice it much. I guess I'm too distracted by how damn light it is.

CalBoy
Feb 9, 2008, 07:32 PM
can you take a picture

of the back side vs back side of macbook/pro/powerbook?

the 0.76 side

I'd like to make this request as well.

I know it sounds thin, but seeing is believing (voir c'est croire!). :o

xUKHCx
Feb 9, 2008, 07:37 PM
I'd like to make this request as well.

I know it sounds thin, but seeing is believing (voir c'est croire!). :o

It seems as if the MBA owners are wary of posting the fat end, as my request (http://forums.macrumors.com/showpost.php?p=4928925&postcount=2) has also gone unanswered.

CalBoy
Feb 9, 2008, 07:40 PM
It seems as if the MBA owners are wary of posting the fat end, as my request (http://forums.macrumors.com/showpost.php?p=4928925&postcount=2) has also gone unanswered.

Well no one likes to see the fat side I suppose.

Perhaps we need to kidnap a mba in order to get the shots we need. :p:eek:

aiongiant
Feb 9, 2008, 07:42 PM
i posted it as requested in another thread...

http://forums.macrumors.com/showpost.php?p=4930265&postcount=18

CalBoy
Feb 9, 2008, 07:45 PM
i posted it as requested in another thread...

http://forums.macrumors.com/showpost.php?p=4930265&postcount=18

Thanks. :)

Now if only I had the money to buy one. :o

xUKHCx
Feb 9, 2008, 07:45 PM
i posted it as requested in another thread...

http://forums.macrumors.com/showpost.php?p=4930265&postcount=18

That sort of disguises the fatness, can you post another one like the one in the first post in this thread. Sorry for being so demanding.

Cybergypsy
Feb 9, 2008, 07:47 PM
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2160/2254007448_4b0a4e0535.jpg

kockgunner
Feb 10, 2008, 04:55 PM
how hard is it to post a fatness shot. Is there no fat shot on the whole world wide web?

ewxlt
Feb 10, 2008, 05:31 PM
When I handled the computer, the weight (or lack of weight) was more striking than the thin-ness. Seriously incredible how they engineered that.

xUKHCx
Feb 10, 2008, 05:52 PM
how hard is it to post a fatness shot. Is there no fat shot on the whole world wide web?

Look above your post.

aiongiant
Feb 10, 2008, 06:29 PM
how hard is it to post a fatness shot. Is there no fat shot on the whole world wide web?

please read the thread before posting...

and whats up with ppl wanting to see how "fat" the macbook air is?
it's thin.. nothing else to it.. you have the exact measurements already from apple.. go take a ruler if you don't belive the pics posted but users in the forum

hey this piece of paper is thinner than my air.. see the air isn't really that thin... :rolleyes:

ob81
Feb 10, 2008, 07:05 PM
Look above your post.

Doesn't show comparison is what he meant. You knew that though.

xUKHCx
Feb 10, 2008, 07:09 PM
Doesn't show comparison is what he meant. You knew that though.

How do you know what he meant, all that is stated is that no one has posted a fatness shot and if you look there is a picture showing the fat end.

ob81
Feb 10, 2008, 07:12 PM
and whats up with ppl wanting to see how "fat" the macbook air is?
it's thin..

A lot of people still have not seen the Air in stores/person yet. The air, while thin, has tapered edges, and when it sits down on a surface, it is close to the same height as the MBP.
Before I went in to check the MBA out with my own eyes, the dimensions of the MBA and the angle that owners seem to take shots from play tricks on the eye.

How do you know what he meant, all that is stated is that no one has posted a fatness shot and if you look there is a picture showing the fat end.


"Critical thinking" and context clues.

aiongiant
Feb 10, 2008, 07:13 PM
A lot of people still have not seen the Air in stores/person yet. The air, while thin, has tapered edges, and when it sits down on a surface, it is close to the same height as the MBP.
Before I went in to check the MBA out with my own eyes, the dimensions of the MBA and the angle that owners seem to take shots from play tricks on the eye.

fair enough..
and i did post pictures of it comparing to a macbook pro
post #28 in this thread

xUKHCx
Feb 10, 2008, 07:15 PM
"Critical thinking" and context clues.

Well there is a link to a comparison in this thread and a fatness pitcure and in this thread the original reference to fatness is made in the second post so the context of using fatness is (in this thread) there.

aiongiant
Feb 10, 2008, 07:18 PM
http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/08/02/02/macbook_air_unboxing_notes_and_high_quality_photos.html

tons of pic from apple insider
comparing the macbook air to the macbook pro

zepharus
Feb 10, 2008, 07:48 PM
compared to a 12" powerbook =)


Apples to Oranges... If we are going to pretend it is only as thin as the front, cant we at least avg it? Then I would feel right about this thread..

aiongiant
Feb 10, 2008, 07:53 PM
Apples to Oranges... If we are going to pretend it is only as thin as the front, cant we at least avg it? Then I would feel right about this thread..

this thread is to show how "thin" it can get

not a whats the average thickness of the macbook air

theres lots of pictures over at Apple Insider being compared to a macbook pro
http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/08/02/02/macbook_air_unboxing_notes_and_high_quality_photos.html

Cybergypsy
Feb 10, 2008, 07:58 PM
I posted the picture not to debate the thinness or thickness just to show how beautiful it really is......and how thin and sexy it is......

seedster2
Feb 10, 2008, 08:35 PM
I really think thinness is a marketing ploy that has worked to perfection. If apple made a real ultraportable with smaller footprint with the same weight but thicker I would be equally impressed.

I ordered an MBA because of the most important portability issue - weight! I've been awaiting a light device that I can run OS X and XP sp2 on and it finally arrived.

JasonBourne9
Feb 10, 2008, 08:50 PM
I really think thinness is a marketing ploy that has worked to perfection. If apple made a real ultraportable with smaller footprint with the same weight but thicker I would be equally impressed.

I ordered an MBA because of the most important portability issue - weight! I've been awaiting a light device that I can run OS X and XP sp2 on and it finally arrived.

I agree with you on the weight but am a bit sick of the tired "thin is dumb, reduced footprint is where it's at" argument. Look, any 3 dimensional device has three dimensions. When trying to reduce physical size (i.e. volume, weight, etc..) you have three choices. Two of those choices (width and height) limit functionality by reducing screen size and keyboard. They are the most compromising dimensions. The third (thickness) has virtually no compromise. There is no functional benefit to making a laptop thicker (all other things being equal). Apple picking that dimension to cut back on most while trying to strike the right balance on overall size and weight versus footprint is PRECISELY the smart thing to do. Only some sort of retarded company would, in trying to build an ultraportable, cut back on the important dimensions without a REAL effort at cutting back on the most wasteful of dimensions.

Now, you can make the argument that you'd prefer an MBA with the same thickness, but a 10" screen, and only ~2 lbs but that thing would have no USB port at all, run on a core solo processor and 1GB of RAM, have a cramped keyboard that's almost blackbery-like etc... We've already got the power/expansion/functionality bitchers out in full force because the thing doesn't have a DVD drive (get with the times people!) or firewire or a second USB, etc... Basically Apple can't please everyone, but if you really think about it they've created a really impressive niche machine. And I think that's what they were setting out to do. So, I for one, give them kudos! And I'm really glad most of you amateur product specialists aren't doing product design at Apple because some of you guys have some really dumb ideas.

seedster2
Feb 10, 2008, 09:29 PM
I agree with you on the weight but am a bit sick of the tired "thin is dumb, reduced footprint is where it's at" argument. Look, any 3 dimensional device has three dimensions. When trying to reduce physical size (i.e. volume, weight, etc..) you have three choices. Two of those choices (width and height) limit functionality by reducing screen size and keyboard. They are the most compromising dimensions. The third (thickness) has virtually no compromise. There is no functional benefit to making a laptop thicker (all other things being equal). Apple picking that dimension to cut back on most while trying to strike the right balance on overall size and weight versus footprint is PRECISELY the smart thing to do. Only some sort of retarded company would, in trying to build an ultraportable, cut back on the important dimensions without a REAL effort at cutting back on the most wasteful of dimensions.

Now, you can make the argument that you'd prefer an MBA with the same thickness, but a 10" screen, and only ~2 lbs but that thing would have no USB port at all, run on a core solo processor and 1GB of RAM, have a cramped keyboard that's almost blackbery-like etc... We've already got the power/expansion/functionality bitchers out in full force because the thing doesn't have a DVD drive (get with the times people!) or firewire or a second USB, etc... Basically Apple can't please everyone, but if you really think about it they've created a really impressive niche machine. And I think that's what they were setting out to do. So, I for one, give them kudos! And I'm really glad most of you amateur product specialists aren't doing product design at Apple because some of you guys have some really dumb ideas.

My response to your post is simple.

If the product design specialists at :apple: are so wise, why did they sacrifice functionality for the sake of thinness? Tapering in every direction allows for the thinnest laptop claim but it also limits the space for ports built in connectivity. Now how bright is that?

I think they have something going with this Rev A, but there is tremendous room for fat cutting.

MazingerZ
Feb 10, 2008, 09:35 PM
My response to your post is simple.
Tapering in every direction allows for the thinnest laptop claim but it also limits the space for ports built in connectivity. Now how bright is that?

Probably because they are looking into the future and seeing those ports as becoming less and less useful.

aiongiant
Feb 10, 2008, 09:36 PM
My response to your post is simple.

If the product design specialists at :apple: are so wise, why did they sacrifice functionality for the sake of thinness? Tapering in every direction allows for the thinnest laptop claim but it also limits the space for ports built in connectivity. Now how bright is that?

I think they have something going with this Rev A, but there is tremendous room for fat cutting.

i belive there trying to go into a whole new leap here with the air
yes they did sacrifice ports etc on the air
however thier whole concept of "Air" everything to be wireless

time capsule for more harddrive space
wireless N and new bluetooth for headsets, cellphone connection, wireless internet, networking, itunes music, itunes video rentals, etc etc
and remoter disc for installing programs etc etc

IF you use all of apple products with your air there really isn't much reasons for you to "need" thoese other ports and such

Digital Skunk
Feb 10, 2008, 09:40 PM
I am still waiting for the MacBook that competes with the Sony model. They included an optical drive, 3G, two USB ports, and it's lighter than the MacBook Air. It's about a thousand dollars more expensive, but it's a true ultra portable full featured laptop.

JasonBourne9
Feb 10, 2008, 10:03 PM
Probably because they are looking into the future and seeing those ports as becoming less and less useful.

Exactly. Because that crap is useless to some people. I need an optical drive and a bunch of USB ports on my secondary, portable laptop like I need a hole in the head. Totally useless for me. I would never use these things.

The MBA missing 'functionality' for these complainers means simply that it isn't the laptop for them. For some people it has good functionality. It isn't perfect (I'd like built in EVDO for example). But a lot of this 'funtionality' that you many decry is useless if you already have something like a Mac Pro.

DVNIEL
Feb 10, 2008, 11:43 PM
That is just unbelievable! :eek: It is amazing what Apple/technology can do in a few years time.


http://youtube.com/watch?v=ay8WHIb0NkY


"The new.... MacBook..... Invisa!!!"

Digital Skunk
Feb 10, 2008, 11:58 PM
Exactly. Because that crap is useless to some people. I need an optical drive and a bunch of USB ports on my secondary, portable laptop like I need a hole in the head. Totally useless for me. I would never use these things.

The MBA missing 'functionality' for these complainers means simply that it isn't the laptop for them. For some people it has good functionality. It isn't perfect (I'd like built in EVDO for example). But a lot of this 'funtionality' that you many decry is useless if you already have something like a Mac Pro.

I still say that it depends on who you are and what you are looking for. Apple is making a niche notebook for a group of people that were looking for exactly that, a small notebook with only a necessary port and a plethora of wireless options. IMO they did a good job of filling the gap and serving that group.

But there are a lot of users that are mistaking the AirBook for the replacement to the 12" PowerBook and many users that have taken it (with glee) as such. Some are still holding out, and will be holding out for even longer. The 12" PB was what the Sony TZ and the TZ's replacement is competing (or was) against. It had the necessary ports, the optical drive, and a smaller screen.

If Apple does make a 12" PB replacement or an 11.1" MacBook Pro (I know... it won't happen...) then that book will be what people are after, the ultra small PRIMARY notebook with two USB ports, and optical, etc.

The AirBook is great for those that do have a powerful desktop sitting at their desk at home or at the office and want the perfect road warrior's laptop to take along with them, that they can essentially (given the amount of wireless) use anywhere at anytime.

I am more of a 12" PowerBook/Sony TZ kinda guy, but the AirBook is truly a nice piece of work.

hotsauce
Feb 11, 2008, 12:07 AM
I posted the picture not to debate the thinness or thickness just to show how beautiful it really is......and how thin and sexy it is......

It is thin, even the thickest part is thin. People think they are being duped by the big bad Jobs marketing cronies. Just go look at it yourself or google some images.

Now this is what I call trick photography (http://i9.tinypic.com/4kkp7id.gif)!

shafj
Feb 11, 2008, 12:20 AM
It does look quite thin but just not powerful enough.

I'm not having a go at you specifically, but I hate these kind of comments.

"Not powerful enougn" for what exactly?

It's more than powerful enough for browsing, email, Word, Excel, Powerpoint, iTunes, etc (i.e. 90% of what the general population are using their computers for).

Is is powerful enough for heavy video editing, Photoshop, etc? No but then this was never the intention.

ctt1wbw
Feb 11, 2008, 03:33 AM
It does look quite thin but just not powerful enough.


And it gets hot when you use it on a pillow. What a pile of crap this thing is. :p:D

Cybergypsy
Feb 11, 2008, 07:32 AM
The funny thing is people who say they need more power are the same people who drive a vette and never been over 80MPH.....

teerexx52
Feb 11, 2008, 07:51 AM
The funny thing is people who say they need more power are the same people who drive a vette and never been over 80MPH.....

Absolutely!!

brad.c
Feb 11, 2008, 08:21 AM
MBA is thin but I really don't notice it much. I guess I'm too distracted by how damn light it is.

I'm not that excited about thinness--sometimes I worry about bending my MBP when I pick it up one handed.

What interests me is the lightness. I've frequently pushed portability to the limit by holding it in one hand while standing/walking/sitting. Before too long, the wrist gets pretty sore. But my one-handed typing skills are greatly improved.

But that's another topic entirely ;)

Cybergypsy
Feb 11, 2008, 08:29 AM
I'm not that excited about thinness--sometimes I worry about bending my MBP when I pick it up one handed.

What interests me is the lightness. I've frequently pushed portability to the limit by holding it in one hand while standing/walking/sitting. Before too long, the wrist gets pretty sore. But my one-handed typing skills are greatly improved.

But that's another topic entirely ;)


Too be honest, I think this is better made then the MBP ever was, I had one last summer and was not impressed, and the MB is now the bottom of the line on build quality..This is built much better then anthing Apple has made in a few years

ob81
Feb 11, 2008, 10:46 AM
Too be honest, I think this is better made then the MBP ever was, I had one last summer and was not impressed, and the MB is now the bottom of the line on build quality..This is built much better then anthing Apple has made in a few years

The Air is pretty sweet, but the Macbook is pretty outstanding as well. Especially the black :)

Cybergypsy
Feb 11, 2008, 10:54 AM
The Air is pretty sweet, but the Macbook is pretty outstanding as well. Especially the black :)

Its OK but I had all revs of the macbook and the build quality on them is crap.....there is a reason I had all Revs.........I am really surprised that the 1.6 did not start at 2500.00 really....

ob81
Feb 11, 2008, 11:50 AM
Its OK but I had all revs of the macbook and the build quality on them is crap.....there is a reason I had all Revs.........I am really surprised that the 1.6 did not start at 2500.00 really....

If the Air was 11" it could have started at $2kish easy. I never had any issues with the Macbook, and I had the CD version and the C2D version. Out of all of my Mac gear, the Macbook is what converted most of my friends. It has a clean smooth look to it, and to top it off, it has about 5:30 hrs of battery life. It takes 320gb of HD space at the moment, and it doesn't get hot on the lap.

As for the build quality, my CD Macbook went on a deployment for 7 months with me in some very rugged places. Sold it like new about 3 months ago. It was a little over a year old.



The funny thing is people who say they need more power are the same people who drive a vette and never been over 80MPH.....

This is why I sold the MBP :) I haven't seen to many people complain about the power of the AIR. Mainly the compromises that were made to get the system thin. Which technically are not compromises for the market that this computer targets.

Digital Skunk
Feb 11, 2008, 04:29 PM
I would trade my MBP in for a MacBook if the MacBook had a backlit keyboard. That's pretty much the only reason I wouldn't grab one. I have been spoiled. I would hope that Apple would give at least the Black Macbook a backlit keyboard option in the future, but i can bet money on that not happening.

Techguy172
Feb 11, 2008, 05:14 PM
I would trade my MBP in for a MacBook if the MacBook had a backlit keyboard. That's pretty much the only reason I wouldn't grab one. I have been spoiled. I would hope that Apple would give at least the Black Macbook a backlit keyboard option in the future, but i can bet money on that not happening.

Why would you need a backlight keyboard I have never wished for one or even thought about it.

Digital Skunk
Feb 11, 2008, 05:56 PM
Why would you need a backlight keyboard I have never wished for one or even thought about it.

Because I am using the MacBook Pro right now and it's a wonderful addition that comes in handy more often then not.

Catch
Feb 11, 2008, 06:01 PM
The Air is pretty sweet, but the Macbook is pretty outstanding as well. Especially the black :)

I have to say I was impressed with the BlackBook. I had both a MBP and a MB for a while and preferred the MB. I gave a co-worker the choice of the two thinking he would pick the MBP, but lo and behold, he picked the BlackBook. Luckily for me I now have the MBA... :D

C

MacRumorUser
Feb 11, 2008, 06:08 PM
I loved the look of the black MB, until a week of use and it begins to shine from even the lightest touch. It looks awful with finger marks on it. At least the white masks these and the aluminum even more so, but the the black.... beautiful only if you never touch it. Also the trackpad seemingly wares and looks marked far more than the other laptops.

aiongiant
Feb 11, 2008, 06:33 PM
I loved the look of the black MB, until a week of use and it begins to shine from even the lightest touch. It looks awful with finger marks on it. At least the white masks these and the aluminum even more so, but the the black.... beautiful only if you never touch it. Also the trackpad seemingly wares and looks marked far more than the other laptops.

i agree
my aunt bought a blackbook a while back.. and it was pretty cool
but yea after a bit of use even just a couple of days.. the keyboard and trackpad started getting wierd.. oil stains or liek grease from your hands started to do wierd stuff on it

and then i was glad i had a macbook pro hehe

Digital Skunk
Feb 11, 2008, 06:41 PM
I loved the look of the black MB, until a week of use and it begins to shine from even the lightest touch. It looks awful with finger marks on it. At least the white masks these and the aluminum even more so, but the the black.... beautiful only if you never touch it. Also the trackpad seemingly wares and looks marked far more than the other laptops.

www.applepeelz.com

Rejoice!

Techguy172
Feb 11, 2008, 06:42 PM
The funny thing is people who say they need more power are the same people who drive a vette and never been over 80MPH.....

And you have been in a corvette over 80MPH? Your just trying to justify your purchase.

The Menacer
Feb 11, 2008, 07:53 PM
Not true Because I have been in a Corvette that has been over 80MPH so maybe true for some but not all. The Air is not that powerful. But the People who own an air have never even been in a Corvette.

Um.... What?

dual64bit
Feb 11, 2008, 08:09 PM
At the end of my demo movie I compare the size to a macbook:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sPfzt1mU3VE

Cybergypsy
Feb 11, 2008, 10:38 PM
And you have been in a corvette over 80MPH? Your just trying to justify your purchase.I have been 154...MPH Closed Runway :)

shadowfax
Feb 11, 2008, 11:26 PM
I am still waiting for the MacBook that competes with the Sony model. They included an optical drive, 3G, two USB ports, and it's lighter than the MacBook Air. It's about a thousand dollars more expensive, but it's a true ultra portable full featured laptop.

Which TZ were you talking about there? On their site, all of them look god-awful to me. Carbon fiber? You should see the carbon fiber racquets i have broken. it scratches horribly too. Every one of those laptops I saw on there was more expensive than the Air, but they have 533 MHz buses, 1-1.3 GHz processors with HALF the L2 cache (a huge performance killer), many of them the ULV model, GMA950 graphics.

Crappy performance is an extremely high price to pay for one extra USB port, one firewire port, and on-board ethernet jack, and on-board 3G. Not to mention it's crappy performance on Windows, which makes it hurt even more.

I think Apple blew Sony out of the water, and their ultraportable is a lot less in a niche than that Vaio TZ.

hotsauce
Feb 11, 2008, 11:44 PM
I have been 154...MPH Closed Runway :)

OK boys, unzip your pants and pull'em out.