Apple Releases Aperture 2.0

[jemo07]

Aperture 2 is out!

[MacRumors]

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Apple announced (http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2008/02/12aperture2.html) Aperture 2, the next major release of its photo editing and management software. The new version features over 100 new features with a streamlined user interface and entirely new image processing engine. Aperture 2 also introduces new imaging tools for highlight recovery, color vibrancy, local contrast definition, soft-edged retouching, vignetting and RAW fine-tuning, and lets users directly post their portfolios on the .Mac Web Gallery for viewing on the web, iPhone, iPod touch and Apple TV.
“Many of the most respected photographers on assignment all over the world trust Aperture to organize, edit and deliver their images,” said Rob Schoeben, Apple’s vice president of Applications Product Marketing. “With its simpler interface and lower price, anyone can take full advantage of Aperture’s power.”
Aperture is now priced at $199 and available immediate through the online Apple Store (http://store.apple.com).

Article Link (http://www.macrumors.com/2008/02/12/apple-releases-aperture-2-0/)

[vendettabass]

love the way we're getting stuff like every tuesday! no matter how small, its all good! :apple:

(although Apertures a pretty big deal to a lottttta photographers!)

[AliensAreFuzzy]

Nice, I guess there's not much use in holding out for MBPs today:(

But this is really cool still.

[BlizzardBomb]

Great stuff. Don't know why it took so long to update the Apple Store, apart from teasing those who want new MBPs :D

[robbieduncan]

Bizarrely they have not updated the actual product page yet!

Also not on the UK store yet :mad:

[eXan]

Unexpected O_O

[Grimace]

It's about time. The photogs on MR have been waiting for this longer than the MBP folks.

But...half of the comments will still be "but where is my MBP?" :rolleyes:

[djejrejk]

Unexpected O_O

People have been waiting for this one for a while. Now we just have to wait for the updated product page.

[GroundLoop]

Hrmm...anybody know how this will work...

I just purchased the academic version of Aperture 1.5. I haven't opened it yet as I am going to be receiving my new Mac Pro today. Will I be eligible for the upgrade ($10)? Or will I need to return it and buy the full-version (an additional $50)?

It appears that there is no longer an academic version, only the full $200 version.

Hickman

[happydude]

hmmmmm, would like to upgrade but don't think we have the $$ for it now . . . does anyone have a sense of how major a release this is? is it worth $200, what are the new features?

[Knox]

Unexpected O_O

*cough* http://www.macrumors.com/2008/02/02/aperture-2-coming-maybe-next-week/ ;)

[AliensAreFuzzy]

Hrmm...anybody know how this will work...

I just purchased the academic version of Aperture 1.5. I haven't opened it yet as I am going to be receiving my new Mac Pro today. Will I be eligible for the upgrade ($10)? Or will I need to return it and buy the full-version (an additional $50)?

It appears that there is no longer an academic version, only the full $200 version.

Hickman

Actually, if you go through Mac Software, you'll see the academic version for $179

[iManiac]

Hrmm...anybody know how this will work...

I just purchased the academic version of Aperture 1.5. I haven't opened it yet as I am going to be receiving my new Mac Pro today. Will I be eligible for the upgrade ($10)? Or will I need to return it and buy the full-version (an additional $50)?

It appears that there is no longer an academic version, only the full $200 version.

Hickman

The Aperture 2 page in the store says a $10 upgrade is available for recent purchasers.

[fuji]

ARGHHHHH:mad:

When are the MBP's gonna be released? This is insane.

[princealfie]

Now I REALLY want this software! No diggity :)

[deckwalker]

I like the sound of the new feature set. I use Aperture quite a bit and will be very tempted to upgrade - but how much is an upgrade going to cost me?

Edit:
Hmmm. $99 for the upgrade. Ouch.

[Grimace]

This is what the academic store page says:

[GroundLoop]

The Aperture 2 page in the store says a $10 upgrade is available for recent purchasers.

Yeah, I saw that. But, the box of the academic version states that it is not eligible for upgrades. I suppose I will just have to call Apple and figure out what I can do.

Hickman

[supremedesigner]

haha did you know that they have older iMac, not the alu imac? :P see the attachment...

[Full of Win]

I'm waiting to see what Adobe does to answer this challenge. I love Lightroom, but if Aperture can do better on grayscale images that I work with in the lab, then I'm all over it.

[robbieduncan]

haha did you know that they have older iMac, not the alu imac? :P see the attachment...

That's till the Aperture 1.5 page. They have not updated it for 2.0 yet...

[Full of Win]

I like the sound of the new feature set. I use Aperture quite a bit and will be very tempted to upgrade - but how much is an upgrade going to cost me?

99 USD

[OldSkoolNJ]

Recent Aperture 1.5 Purchaser?

If you purchased Aperture 1.5 between January 1, 2008, and March 14, 2008, you are eligible to upgrade to Aperture 2 for US$9.95 (shipping and handling). Learn more

Nice deal!

Kevin :apple:

[jemo07]

It's a shame we have to pay to get support for the new cameras :(
Not like this in the alternative solutions out there.

I would have probably bought the update just to get the feature, but to have to buy it because of some marketing ploy is just shameless! :mad:

[OllyW]

Moderators: is there any chance that you can move all the "No MBP, Apple suck" posts into a new thread to keep this one clean and on-topic. I'll happily report them all.

I suggest the new thread be called "No new MBP: I'm crying like a baby"

Maybe they should all click this (http://www.samaritans.org/) ;)

[supremedesigner]

That's till the Aperture 1.5 page. They have not updated it for 2.0 yet...

I thought the whole page was refreshed.....? If they did announced new A2, then they should've refreshed the website :P

[Grimace]

Yeah, I saw that. But, the box of the academic version states that it is not eligible for upgrades. I suppose I will just have to call Apple and figure out what I can do.

Hickman


You should be fine, it's a different type of upgrade - one based on timing, not because you wanted the next version a year later.

[robbieduncan]

It's a shame we have to pay to get support for the new cameras :(
Not like this in the alternative solutions out there.

I would have probably bought the update just to get the feature, but to have to buy it because of some marketing ploy is just shameless! :mad:

10.5.2 added support to Aperture 1.5 and iPhoto for a lot of new cameras. Which one in particular is supported by Aperture 2.0, but not Aperture 1.5 running on 10.5.2?

[eXan]

*cough* http://www.macrumors.com/2008/02/02/aperture-2-coming-maybe-next-week/ ;)

haha I've stopped reading page2 since they moved it lower on the page and put an iphone blog to its old place instead...

[robbieduncan]

I thought the whole page was refreshed.....? If they did announced new A2, then they should've refreshed the website :P

They should have refreshed the site but haven't. The whole thing is still about 1.5.6. We can't see the new interface or read about any new features. Sometimes Apple can be pretty silly. :p

[happydude]

Moderators: is there any chance that you can move all the "No MBP, Apple suck" posts into a new thread to keep this one clean and on-topic. I'll happily report them all.

I suggest the new thread be called "No new MBP: I'm crying like a baby"

great suggestion, i second!

[robbieduncan]

Aperture 2.0 page is now live on Apple.com. I'll be back in an hour...

[bmcgrath]

I will most definitely be buying myself a copy of this. Aperture so badly needed an update. Especially since Leopard came along as its been playing up with the OS a little bit

[samh004]

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The Apple site hasn't changed yet, I'd like to know what it runs on.

[OldSkoolNJ]

They should have refreshed the site but haven't. The whole thing is still about 1.5.6. We can't see the new interface or read about any new features. Sometimes Apple can be pretty silly. :p

Its all updated now! Oooooohhhh shiney!

Kevin :apple:

[rotlex]

AWESOME news! Been waiting for this for a while. I'm actually quite happy with the current version, but am hoping for some nice performance increases with this. Can't wait to give it a try!

Here goes another $99 bucks, LOL. :D

[MacSamurai]

I dont see it on the uk site...

[R.Youden]

They have posted a 30-day trial.

Downloading now to have a play with it.

Only 77.2MB, pretty small for a relatively high-power application.

[tshakey]

the UK store is actually looking nicer for once with a nice tab thing showing the MBA, capsule and Office 08.

I wish they would update all parts for Aperture (well all products) instead of just updating the store first, it needs to be all at the same time Apple!

[robbieduncan]

I dont see it on the uk site...

It's not on the UK site yet (or store). I wonder how long we'll have to wait to buy?

[MacSamurai]

the release makes good sense to come out now specially since 10.5.2 gave more support to handling RAW files

[tshakey]

Nice bunch of tutorials added as well, viewable directly on the Apple site.

[OllyW]

It's not on the UK site yet (or store). I wonder how long we'll have to wait to buy?

Last weeks iPhone & iTouch updates were added overnight.

[acoustictones]

Hrmm...anybody know how this will work...

I just purchased the academic version of Aperture 1.5. I haven't opened it yet as I am going to be receiving my new Mac Pro today. Will I be eligible for the upgrade ($10)? Or will I need to return it and buy the full-version (an additional $50)?

It appears that there is no longer an academic version, only the full $200 version.

Hickman

From the Apple web page: "If you purchased Aperture 1.5 between January 1, 2008, and March 14, 2008, you are eligible to upgrade to Aperture 2 for US$9.95 (shipping and handling)."

[R.Youden]

Ha, the code they send you for the trial is for 1.5!

Ah well, I suppose I will have to request another one later.

Has anyone had any luck with the trial serial number?

[CaptainHaddock]

Nice bunch of tutorials added as well, viewable directly on the Apple site.

None of the new Aperture 2 videos work for me. I get a Quicktime logo with a question mark. Anyone else have any luck?

[GroundLoop]

From the Apple web page: "If you purchased Aperture 1.5 between January 1, 2008, and March 14, 2008, you are eligible to upgrade to Aperture 2 for US$9.95 (shipping and handling)."

True, but I am not sure if that applies to the academic version of Aperture 1.5.

I called Apple, and they told me that I should return the unopened software and repurchase the new version. I assumed that would be the case. That is one of the shortcomings of academic licenses.

I guess I should be happy that I can get my money back. This time I am going to order the full version now that it is only $200.

Hickman

[iCeFuSiOn]

Ooh, this update looks good. :)

[ipedro]

I'm totally getting it but I don't want to wait for it to arrive in the mail! :eek:

Does anybody know if retail has it yet?

[Evangelion]

Now I just need to find my Aperture serial-number, so I can buy the upgrade....

[~David]

Ha, the code they send you for the trial is for 1.5!

Ah well, I suppose I will have to request another one later.

Has anyone had any luck with the trial serial number?

Same problem here, it says invalid serial number :(

[ipedro]

I'm totally getting it but I don't want to wait for it to arrive in the mail! :eek:

Does anybody know if retail has it yet?

... or better yet. Can I buy it online and download it immediately?

[Enrico]

Same problem here, it says invalid serial number :(

Same here, serial just for 1.5 trial!!:eek:

[Tosser]

Anybody besides me thinking that the way Apple's handling the 2.0 launch is amateurish?
2 1/2 hours the store is down. When it comes up, the Aperture page is still 1.5.6. Then, when the aperture page is updated a while after, [added: the videos don't work, and] the download is still 1.5.6, not 2.0. And when the 2.0 dl is ready, they send you an old serial?

Sheesh!

[bruk201ib]

It's about time. The photogs on MR have been waiting for this longer than the MBP folks.

But...half of the comments will still be "but where is my MBP?" :rolleyes:

but where is my MBP? :D

[Project]

Nice of Apple to give you the Aperture 1.5 trial serial which doesn't work with the 2.0 download

[Koyder]

I've noticed that I get equally as excited about Apple's product pages as about the actual products. There's just one way to say it: I am in love with the redesigned Apple.com and its subsequent subpages. Apple sure does know how to show off their products!

[eetu]

I'm totally getting it but I don't want to wait for it to arrive in the mail! :eek:

Does anybody know if retail has it yet?

download the demo. you will 30 days to enter the serial.

[Stike]

Yeah, same here. Got the trial, and a non-valid serial.

Way to go Apple... ****ers :rolleyes::apple::mad:

[compuguy1088]

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It's about time. The photogs on MR have been waiting for this longer than the MBP folks.

But...half of the comments will still be "but where is my MBP?" :rolleyes:

but where is my MBP? :D

Lighten up slightly! The updated MBP's will come when they are ready for Apple to release.

[legacyb4]

The price has come down far enough that it's almost a no brainer for anyone shooting in RAW; very cool!

[Stike]

Time Machine issues with Aperture had been fixed already in the latest 1.5. Update and 10.5.1

At least thats what Apple said...

[bigandy]

I'm quite surprised the minimum specs are the same as they were for version 1. Quite spiffing.

And to all the angrified people about RAW support - it's built in to the OS, not the app, so surely 10.5.2 and Aperture 1.5 will be able to pick up teh new camera support.....

[bruk201ib]

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Lighten up slightly! The updated MBP's will come when they are ready for Apple to release.

but where is my MBP?:D

thanks for the enlightening message:rolleyes:

[TanToday]

As of right now 9:40 AM EST, the provided serial number on the TRAIL download does not work, and will not allow me past the registration screen.

I have used cut and paste off the provided EMAIL, to eliminate the possiblity of error, and nothing. Just hangs and will not proceed past that screen.

[compuguy1088]

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Lighten up slightly! The updated MBP's will come when they are ready for Apple to release.

but where is my MBP?:D

thanks for the enlightening message:rolleyes:

I don't know. Though I know they will soon do it. The current revision is still a great laptop, minus the multitouch. The only issue with multitouch is that it is only in apple apps.

[sblasl]

Trial Serial # Apple sent me does not work.

They have posted a 30-day trial.

Downloading now to have a play with it.

Only 77.2MB, pretty small for a relatively high-power application.

[Tosser]

As of right now 9:40 AM EST, the provided serial number on the TRAIL download does not work, and will not allow me past the registration screen.

I have used cut and paste off the provided EMAIL, to eliminate the possiblity of error, and nothing. Just hangs and will not proceed past that screen.

As of 9:43: We know. We all get that. It's the serial for 1.5.6.

http://forums.macrumors.com/showpost.php?p=4947816&postcount=612

[azdude]

While we're waiting for serials here, I'll ask the current Aperture pros:

Even though Time Machine issues have been fixed, is it better to use Aperture + Time Machine, or disable Time Machine for the Aperture Library, and use the Vault feature instead? There seems to be some unnecessary overlap here.

[Shagrat]

[QUOTE=bigandy;4947873]I'm quite surprised the minimum specs are the same as they were for version 1. Quite spiffing.QUOTE]


Really? Says:_

Mac computer with a 2GHz or faster Intel Core Duo processor or dual 2GHz or faster PowerPC G5 processors
2GB of RAM
Mac OS X v10.4.11 or later (Tiger) or v10.5.2 or later (Leopard) required
One of the following graphics cards:
ATI Radeon X800 XT Mac Edition, 9800 XT, 9800 Pro, X1900 XT, X1600, HD 2600 XT or HD 2600 PRO
NVIDIA GeForce 8600M GT, 7300 GT, 7800 GT, 8800 GT or 6800 series
NVIDIA Quadro FX 4500 or FX 5600

Well I've been running 1.5 on my Macbook wih 1.25 gigs, with an Intel integrated graphics chip...

So Aperture will no longer run on my Macbook???

[Tosser]

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I don't know. Though I know they will soon do it. The current revision is still a great laptop, minus the multitouch. The only issue with multitouch is that it is only in apple apps.

Sheesh, compuguy, you don't get the joke, do you? He just emphasized he meant it the first time as sarcasm, since some other guy said this thread would be littered with comments such as "but where is my MPB?".

[robbieduncan]

While we're waiting for serials here, I'll ask the current Aperture pros:

Even though Time Machine issues have been fixed, is it better to use Aperture + Time Machine, or disable Time Machine for the Aperture Library, and use the Vault feature instead? There seems to be some unnecessary overlap here.

As far as I'm concerned Aperture does not work with Time Machine: you cannot enter Time Machine in Aperture and step back through your library looking for images you deleted or previous versions. You might be able to recover the files at a Finder level, but that's not really a good solution...

[jasone6]

Has the issue with Time Machine been addressed yet? (i.e. that Aperture creates a single large database file, a separate copy of which gets copied to the TM drive each time you make a change in Aperture).

[jessica.]

I'm quite surprised the minimum specs are the same as they were for version 1. Quite spiffing.

And to all the angrified people about RAW support - it's built in to the OS, not the app, so surely 10.5.2 and Aperture 1.5 will be able to pick up teh new camera support.....

Yes but not everyone is on 10.5.x. Think about it. :rolleyes:

I will buy v.2.0 but not if it can't support my d300.

[Richard Flynn]

And to all the angrified people about RAW support - it's built in to the OS, not the app, so surely 10.5.2 and Aperture 1.5 will be able to pick up teh new camera support.....

Well, apparently (http://www.apple.com/aperture/specs/raw.html) the cameras that were added most recently will only work with 10.4.11 or 10.5.2 AND Aperture 2:
* Cameras and camera backs followed by an asterisk require Aperture 2 with Mac OS X Tiger v10.4.11 or Mac OS X Leopard v10.5.2 or later.

Pssh, I got the 1.5.6 serial number too. In fact, I've applied for the serial number three times now (twice with one email address, once with another address) and have got the same serial number in each instance! Perhaps there’s only one trial serial number? (I'm not going to post the full serial number here though for obvious reasons, but mine ends in …NVJ-170-RED-WDH.)

I'm pretty excited about the new Raw decoding. It definitely looks like they've heavily drawn inspiration from ACR/Lightroom. I played with Lightroom last week for fun and like the Raw decoding very much, but still dislike the workflow as much as I did when I tried the original beta.

Also, they've finally brought in lens metadata! And the ability to see whether you're in Onscreen Proofing mode on the main window! And basic DNG support so if you've got some spiffy new camera whose Raw format isn't yet natively supported, you can convert the Raw files to DNG and work on those in Aperture! The application seems like it’s become competitive again: I'm glad I've stuck with it.

I really should be writing about Euripides and Seneca, but I seem to have been distracted…

[shambolic]

And to all the angrified people about RAW support - it's built in to the OS, not the app, so surely 10.5.2 and Aperture 1.5 will be able to pick up teh new camera support.....

Not true. All of the cameras for which "OS-level" support was added in 10.5.2 still don't work in Aperture 1.5.x (despite Preview and iPhoto being able to decode the images). So unless they decide to push out a final 1.5.7 point release, owners of the D3/D300 and the other newly added cameras will have to either upgrade to 2.0 or move to Lightroom or another converter.

[robbieduncan]

Yes but not everyone is on 10.5.x. Think about it. :rolleyes:

I will buy v.2.0 but not if it can't support my d300.

Aperture RAW support has always been tied to the OS. This release does not change that. You will not get d300 support from Aperture 2.0 on 10.4.11.

[zorinlynx]

It's good to see this. I'm mostly happy with 1.5 at the moment, but will probably upgrade when I have some extra cash.

There was a feeling among Aperture users that Apple had mostly abandoned Aperture, and was only going to issue minor updates for the rest of its lifetime. But I guess this release thankfully proves us wrong.

Just wish it weren't a $99 ding!

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I don't know. Though I know they will soon do it. The current revision is still a great laptop, minus the multitouch. The only issue with multitouch is that it is only in apple apps.

Sheesh, compuguy, you don't get the joke, do you? He just emphasized he meant it the first time as sarcasm, since some other guy said this thread would be littered with comments such as "but where is my MPB?".

Sorry! I guess I didn't catch that.

[jessica.]

Aperture RAW support has always been tied to the OS. This release does not change that. You will not get d300 support from Aperture 2.0 on 10.4.11.

I didn't say that I would. I simply said if they build it into 10.5.x then they can piss off because not everyone moved to Leopard and some who have moved back to Tiger. ;)

[Avicdar]

10.5.2 added support to Aperture 1.5 and iPhoto for a lot of new cameras. Which one in particular is supported by Aperture 2.0, but not Aperture 1.5 running on 10.5.2?

I wish that were true, but it isn't.

Even after installing the 10.5.2 update the new cameras were only supported for iPhoto, finder, preview, etc. Not Aperture.

So if people like myself who have one of the newer cameras want to continue using Aperture with it, we have no choice but to upgrade.

[Tosser]

Well, apparently (http://www.apple.com/aperture/specs/raw.html) the cameras that were added most recently will only work with 10.4.11 or 10.5.2 AND Aperture 2:


Pssh, I got the 1.5.6 serial number too. In fact, I've applied for the serial number three times now (twice with one email address, once with another address) and have got the same serial number in each instance! Perhaps there’s only one trial serial number? (I'm not going to post the full serial number here though for obvious reasons, but mine ends in …NVJ-170-RED-WDH.)

I got the exact same one. Four times.

[robbieduncan]

I wish that were true, but it isn't.

Even after installing the 10.5.2 update the new cameras were only supported for iPhoto, finder, preview, etc. Not Aperture.

So if people like myself who have one of the newer cameras want to continue using Aperture with it, we have no choice but to upgrade.

That's very strange: it's certainly not been the way with any prior update to RAW support. As soon as the OS support was added for my 400D Aperture supported it without any update to Aperture...

[Michael73]

EPP price $165.20!!!!!

What a low barrier to entry to the hobbiest and prosumer.

[sirdir]

Hmmm, how 'nice'... You can download 2.0, but they'll send you a 1.5 trial serial...

[crazzyeddie]

Ha, the code they send you for the trial is for 1.5!

Same problem here.

[guzhogi]

http://www.macrumors.com/images/macrumorsthreadlogo.gif (http://www.macrumors.com)

Apple announced (http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2008/02/12aperture2.html) Aperture 2, the next major release of its photo editing and management software. The new version features over 100 new features with a streamlined user interface and entirely new image processing engine.

I hope the "over 100 new features" isn't just a padded number like what Apple did w/ Tiger where every single widget was counted as a new feature. But then again, I don't use Aperture so I don't really care.

[Tosser]

Hmmm, how 'nice'... You can download 2.0, but they'll send you a 1.5 trial serial...

Yup, and the newest "revelation" is that we all got the same serial …

This really doesn't instill any sort of confidence in Apple for me.

[sotgecho]

So now does Apple have the upper hand with the release of this compared to Adobe's Lightroom. Aperture 2.0 looks like it has taken some cues from Lightroom and a little bit from iPhoto '08. Thoughts?


PS Looks really good.

[compuguy1088]

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EPP price $165.20!!!!!

What a low barrier to entry to the hobbiest and prosumer.

Lucky! The EDU store for my campus says it is $179.

[everettmarshall]

As a recent purchaser of 1.5, I hardly think this is a good deal. I paid $299 just three weeks ago and now they drop the price by $100 and I STILL have to pay $9.95 to get 2.0?

[Michael73]

Get this, my local CompUSA that is going out of business has a couple of copies of Aperture 1.5 for 30% off retail ($299)...$209.30. That's like $10 MORE than the current 2.0 and that doesn't count the $9.95 upgrade price you'd have to pay just to get to v2.0. Something tells me that until that percentage drops to 40% off it wouldn't make much sense for anyone to buy them.

[sirdir]

Yup, and the newest "revelation" is that we all got the same serial …


Yep, even for the german version of 1.5 it's the same serial...

[robbieduncan]

As a recent purchaser of 1.5, I hardly think this is a good deal. I paid $299 just three weeks ago and now they drop the price by $100 and I STILL have to pay $9.95 to get 2.0?

You paid a price you considered fair for a product. You still have that product and it still works. Therefore you have no right to complain at all. You should think yourself very lucky they offer you the $9.95 deal at all.

If I buy a car and a few weeks later they release an updated model can I pay 1/20th of the cost of the new model to upgrade? I don't think so.

[randomlinh]

I'm wondering how performance has improved/taken a hit. I switched to lightroom earlier this year, mainly out of fear of jumping back to windows, or having to work in a dual os environment. But all my stuff is still in Aperture, so I dunno.

Anyone notice any improvements in speed?

[amberashby]

anyone try the upgrade compatability check on a V1 acedemic version?

[Stike]

Anyone notice any improvements in speed?

Really, we would LOVE to report you, but we are stuck with some 1.5 trial serial number...

[MacSKY]

Couple of questions for professionals (photographers) utilizing Aperture:

First - I'm a pro completely using Adobe LR & CS3. Can any of you point to a website with direct comparisons of the two products LR & Aperture?

Second - I'm looking for a solution for digital asset management. The Apple website really doesn't focus too much on it's capabilities as a "library management tool" other than saying it's powerful enough to handle it. Are any of you using Aperture for this purpose?

Aperture 2.0 looks promising and I'm looking for a tool that has Lightroom's capabilities but also a strong management tool to catalog the 10's of thousands of images I'm creating yearly. Something LR lacks right now.

Thanks

[j-a-x]

The first time I requested a serial, they sent me the 1.5 trial link. The second time, they actually sent me 2.0... downloading now...

[nylock10]

The Aperture 2.0 trial is corrupted or me, I downloaded it again and it's still corrupted.

[bigandy]

Really? Says:_

Mac computer with a 2GHz or faster Intel Core Duo processor or dual 2GHz or faster PowerPC G5 processors
2GB of RAM
Mac OS X v10.4.11 or later (Tiger) or v10.5.2 or later (Leopard) required
One of the following graphics cards:
ATI Radeon X800 XT Mac Edition, 9800 XT, 9800 Pro, X1900 XT, X1600, HD 2600 XT or HD 2600 PRO
NVIDIA GeForce 8600M GT, 7300 GT, 7800 GT, 8800 GT or 6800 series
NVIDIA Quadro FX 4500 or FX 5600

Well I've been running 1.5 on my Macbook wih 1.25 gigs, with an Intel integrated graphics chip...

So Aperture will no longer run on my Macbook???
You're looking at the recommended specs. Look at the full spec.

Minimum System Requirements

* One of the following Mac computers:
o Mac Pro
o MacBook Pro
o MacBook Air
o MacBook
o Mac mini with an Intel Core Solo or Duo processor
o iMac with a 1.8GHz or faster PowerPC G5 or Intel Core Duo processor
o Power Mac G5 with a 1.6GHz or faster PowerPC G5 processor
o 15- or 17-inch PowerBook G4 with a 1.25GHz or faster PowerPC G4 processor
* Memory requirements
o 1GB of RAM
o 2GB of RAM for Mac Pro
* One of the following graphics cards:
o ATI Radeon X600 Pro, X600 XT, X800 XT Mac Edition, X850 XT, X1600, X1900 XT, 9800 XT, 9800 Pro, 9700 Pro, 9600, 9600 XT, 9600 Pro, 9650, HD 2400 XT, HD 2600 PRO, or HD 2600 XT
o ATI Mobility Radeon 9700 or 9600
o ATI Mobility Radeon X1600
o NVIDIA GeForce FX 5200 Ultra, 6600, 6600 LE, 6800 Ultra DDL, 6800 GT DDL, 7300 GT, 7800 GT, 8600M GT, or 8800 GT
o NVIDIA Quadro FX 4500 or FX 5600
o Intel GMA 950 or GMA X3100
* Minimum operating system requirements
o Mac OS X v10.4.11 Tiger
o Mac OS X v10.5.2 Leopard
* DVD drive for installation
* 5GB of hard drive space for the application and sample projects


Yours in bold for easy visibility..




Yes but not everyone is on 10.5.x. Think about it. :rolleyes:
I'm talking hardware. Last time I checked, Mac OS X was upgradable. :rolleyes:

[sterlingindigo]

Get this, my local CompUSA that is going out of business has a couple of copies of Aperture 1.5 for 30% off retail ($299)...$209.30. That's like $10 MORE than the current 2.0 and that doesn't count the $9.95 upgrade price you'd have to pay just to get to v2.0. Something tells me that until that percentage drops to 40% off it wouldn't make much sense for anyone to buy them.

It amazes me anyone buys from CompUSA with prices like that. Some sale.

[Tosser]

It amazes me anyone buys from CompUSA with prices like that. Some sale.

Come on, it's been an hour since Apple introduced Aperture 2.0 and simultaneously dropped the price by a third.

[Tosser]

The first time I requested a serial, they sent me the 1.5 trial link. The second time, they actually sent me 2.0... downloading now...

Yup, me too. But what's worse, your serial for the 2.0 is actually the one (yes, there's just a single one) for the 1.5.6.

[sterlingindigo]

Couple of questions for professionals (photographers) utilizing Aperture:

First - I'm a pro completely using Adobe LR & CS3. Can any of you point to a website with direct comparisons of the two products LR & Aperture?

Second - I'm looking for a solution for digital asset management. The Apple website really doesn't focus too much on it's capabilities as a "library management tool" other than saying it's powerful enough to handle it. Are any of you using Aperture for this purpose?

Aperture 2.0 looks promising and I'm looking for a tool that has Lightroom's capabilities but also a strong management tool to catalog the 10's of thousands of images I'm creating yearly. Something LR lacks right now.

Thanks


I'd also be very interested in seeing an answer to this post including raw support comparison.

[drb6]

Wow. I'm not in any way associated with photography but the price for Aperture seems extremely reasonable considering its Apple software. I have no clue how robust it is as a tool, but still seems like a good value

[Project]

Seeing as the serials are all the same, can somebody post 2.0 when it eventually goes live? Can't be bothered to keep registering for a trial.

[twoodcc]

100 new features! sounds nice. looking forward to trying this out at the apple store

[Tosser]

Seeing as the serials are all the same, can somebody post 2.0 when it eventually goes live? Can't be bothered to keep registering for a trial.

Good idea. I'm not downloading either. It sucks this way. Pure amateurism.

[everettmarshall]

You paid a price you considered fair for a product. You still have that product and it still works. Therefore you have no right to complain at all. You should think yourself very lucky they offer you the $9.95 deal at all.


Yes sir. Sorry sir. Please forgive me.

[sirdir]

Yup, me too. But what's worse, your serial for the 2.0 is actually the one (yes, there's just a single one) for the 1.5.6.

No, now they're really sending 2.0 serials...

[zioxide]

Second - I'm looking for a solution for digital asset management. The Apple website really doesn't focus too much on it's capabilities as a "library management tool" other than saying it's powerful enough to handle it. Are any of you using Aperture for this purpose?

That's what Aperture was designed to do from the start.

[confirmed]

the aperture 2 trial form is now sending out correct serial numbers for 2.0

anyone who's already filled out the form and have received a 1.5 serial will have to fill out the form again.

now to go play with aperture 2 :D

[sterlingindigo]

Come on, it's been an hour since Apple introduced Aperture 2.0 and simultaneously dropped the price by a third.

Compare any of CompUSA's so called "20-50%" off sale prices. They've jacked them all up and put them on sale so that you are still paying close to retail. eg. 30" ACD for $1499. You can get that from Apple refurb store including a guarantee (and it's not been running as a store display 24/7). No, CompUSA's Apple software/hardware including Aperture is still only 10% off. It would be better to find an EDU %.

[Abstract]

If I wasn't soooooo deep into Lightroom. Once you learn the keyboard shortcuts, it feels really natural to do anything and everything in Lightroom.

I didn't like Aperture before, and one of those reasons is because I didn't see why Aperture required a dedicated video card when an app like Lightroom runs quicker on the same hardware, and is released at around the same time. (.....and no, I'm not buying a MBP just to use Aperture, since my 13" MacBook is otherwise perfect)

[Tosser]

Compare any of CompUSA's so called "20-50%" off sale prices. They've jacked them all up and put them on sale so that you are still paying close to retail. eg. 30" ACD for $1499. You can get that from Apple refurb store including a guarantee (and it's not been running as a store display 24/7). No, CompUSA's Apple software/hardware including Aperture is still only 10% off. It would be better to find an EDU %.

Perhaps, but not in this case. The price on aperture was 299 before, and they were giving a 30 percent discount. That amounts to a tad over 200 dollars.

Edit: And I'm sorry, but not everyone can get education prices – we're not all in college – be it as a teacher or a student.

[jmorrison0722]

So glad they updated Aperture. iPhoto was starting to look more sophisticated than Aperture 1.5. I know professional photographers love this app, but I'm sure I do...perhaps 2.0 will change that. Having worked at the Apple store, I can tell you that most customers who asked about it become disinterested when they learn it won't replace or even partially fill the shoes of Photoshop. I got to where I would describe it as iPhoto's big brother. Problem is, they (apple) just made iPhoto too good...and not too many people that use iPhoto yern for much more than it offers, except for better image editing capabilities. Aperture doesn't provide that, so no one upgrades.

Alas, in the end it was used simply as a workflow tool for the professional, as Apple intended. I personally wish I could replace Photoshop, no more actual editing that I do.

[jmorrison0722]

If I wasn't soooooo deep into Lightroom. Once you learn the keyboard shortcuts, it feels really natural to do anything and everything in Lightroom.

I didn't like Aperture before, and one of those reasons is because I didn't see why Aperture required a dedicated video card when an app like Lightroom runs quicker on the same hardware, and is released at around the same time. (.....and no, I'm not buying a MBP just to use Aperture, since my 13" MacBook is otherwise perfect)

Umm...I ran Aperture 1.5 on my Macbook, which doesn't have a graphics card.
Just checked, and Aperture 2 doesn't require one either.

Perhaps you're thinking of Motion, which does indeed require a dedicated graphics card.

[TyrannoJack]

Holy crap this is one sexy interface.

The full screen mode is gorgeous. I can't wait until Apple updates the UI to look like iTunes and other random programs like this and iPhoto.

[sotgecho]

I'd also be very interested in seeing an answer to this post including raw support comparison.

I do not think that we will see any real world comparisons here within the first few hours of the release of 2.0. Especially for us who us programs like this to their fullest potential.

I think the only way we can see the real differences b/w the two current versions of each product is to do the same identical project workflow on each. See if there are any differences maybe it is just a matter of preference and what you do with your photos after you take them.

How will 2.0 work with PsCS3 is another big question.

Only time will tell.

[Roy Hobbs]

If I wasn't soooooo deep into Lightroom. Once you learn the keyboard shortcuts, it feels really natural to do anything and everything in Lightroom.

I didn't like Aperture before, and one of those reasons is because I didn't see why Aperture required a dedicated video card when an app like Lightroom runs quicker on the same hardware, and is released at around the same time. (.....and no, I'm not buying a MBP just to use Aperture, since my 13" MacBook is otherwise perfect)

Aperture runs fine on a Macbook, and nowhere does it say it requires a dedicated video card

[j-a-x]

Is it just me, or did features trickle down from the latest iPhoto into Aperture? Like the album thumbnails that change as you run your cursor over them. I didn't like Aperture 1.5 as much as iPhoto 2008, but I am really digging the new Aperture so far. I think I might just finally make the switch from iPhoto to Aperture. I wonder how long it will take to import 11,850 photos into aperture...

[Michael73]

Perhaps, but not in this case. The price on aperture was 299 before, and they were giving a 30 percent discount. That amounts to a tad over 200 dollars.

Edit: And I'm sorry, but not everyone can get education prices – we're not all in college – be it as a teacher or a student.

True. But also consider the hundreds of companies with a total employee count in the millions who have access to Employee Purchase Programs along with the hundreds of thousand of government employees who can access the government purchase program. Now multiply all those people who buy on behalf of a spouse or child and I bet you're in the tens of millions who have access to a discount that isn't an education discount.

BTW, my point in posting the CompUSA comment was that I wonder if I went there on lunch whether I could talk them into a 40-50% discount?!?

[mctrees02]

Sure am glad I just picked up the academic version YESTERDAY for my new book. Unfortunately I bought it on eBay so I can't even try to explore the upgrade option. Oh well...such is life with Apple! Always be upgrading...

[WalrusCP]

Sure am glad I just picked up the academic version YESTERDAY for my new book. Unfortunately I bought it on eBay so I can't even try to explore the upgrade option. Oh well...such is life with Apple! Always be upgrading...

Such is the life in the age of computers and technology. Period. ;)

[QCassidy352]

gotta love how over 1/3 of people voted this negative. I'm assuming they're crying over the non-release of the MBP again. :rolleyes:

[2A Batterie]

I was all stoked when the Apple Store went down, hoping for updates to the MB/MBP. Sigh. Still waiting to pull the trigger on a new laptop. Maybe some other Tuesday.

[ipedro]

Just installed. You can't use your previous library in the trial. It tells you to either create a Trial Library or Quit.

Of course there is a workaround but it's a bit dangerous so you best be backing it up.

I'm simply going to "Show the Contents" of the original Aperture library and then drag all the files into the new Trial Aperture Library.

Once I receive the retail box and my serial, it should all transfer over well. Should.

Waiting for Time Machine to finish its backup and for a backup of the backup to copy to an external drive. I'll report on if this works or not in about 30 mins.

[Tosser]

True. But also consider the hundreds of companies with a total employee count in the millions who have access to Employee Purchase Programs along with the hundreds of thousand of government employees who can access the government purchase program. Now multiply all those people who buy on behalf of a spouse or child and I bet you're in the tens of millions who have access to a discount that isn't an education discount.

BTW, my point in posting the CompUSA comment was that I wonder if I went there on lunch whether I could talk them into a 40-50% discount?!?

Who knows. It might be worth a try.

Still, certain employee discounts and what have we, really doesn't count in this sense. Does it. The retail price was 299 as you full well know, and they took thirty percent off of the price. At least in this instance there's know cheating. If you – yesterday _ could find it cheaper than that, you had to really look around. It was thirty percent. I don't know of any employer discounts that would give you that much of a percentage on software, unless needed for work. And if it's needed for work, the employer better pay the full amount. Anyway, it doesn't matter that much. I'm merely saying that there wasn't any cheating involved in that discount. Now, however, they have to really put them on sale. Down to below 190 dollar to get them out the door.

[messedkid]

GEEEZUS!!


It's already been ~2 hours since this way posted...and still no torrents available?

Come on macrumors...pick up the pace here!!!!



lol jk

As a pretty frequent user of 1.5 (not on my mac...I steal my roomates mac to use it...hehe) I will definatly be picking this up. :D

[Kelmon]

Assuming that the trial serial # issue is sorted out I expect to be trying this out this evening. I've really enjoyed using Aperture 1.5 so this one looks like a no-brainer, particularly considering the low price. I just hope that the UK price is comparable to the currently advertised US price...

[ipedro]

Called my local Apple Store: "At least another week or so until we get it" :eek:? Whaaa?

Does that mean that if I order it online it'll take "a week or so" to arrive?

[sterlingindigo]

Perhaps, but not in this case. The price on aperture was 299 before, and they were giving a 30 percent discount. That amounts to a tad over 200 dollars.

Edit: And I'm sorry, but not everyone can get education prices – we're not all in college – be it as a teacher or a student.

Perhaps the store in my area is different. I presumed they would be liquidated equitably across the board, especially on Apple products. That may not be the case.

[Tosser]

Called my local Apple Store: "At least another week or so until we get it" :eek:? Whaaa?

Does that mean that if I order it online it'll take "a week or so" to arrive?

Can't you download the trial and use that until the "real deal" comes?

[karolinatx]

I called my local store in Dallas, TX and was told they'd have it Thursday, the 14th.

[Tosser]

I presumed they would be liquidated equitably across the board-

LOL, I'm sorry, but I'm really, really tired, not to mention not a native english speaker: I haven't got a clue as to what you're saying?

It is preferential to refrain from the utilization of grandiose verbiage in the circumstance that your intellectualization can be expressed using comparatively simplistic lexicological entities.

[ckurowic]

ARGHHHHH:mad:

When are the MBP's gonna be released? This is insane.

I'm not quite sure why many are so upset that there is not an updated MacBook Pro. From what I have read, most of the people who are complaining about wanting a new MBP already have one. I'd hate to see your credit card bill if you treat everything that way. When your car reaches 10,000 miles do you complain that the 2009 model is not out yet? Any MBP is still a very good machine, its not like you are trying to use a PowerBook G3.

So, having said that, please enlighten me as to the compelling reasons why everyone is demanding new MBP's. What new features can you not live without? Thanks.

LOL, I'm sorry, but I'm really, really tired, not to mention not a native english speaker: I haven't got a clue as to what you're saying?

I believe he is attempting to make himself feel smarter. Don't worry about not understanding it, he's just being a....well, he is probably just being himself if you get where I am going with that.

[jmorrison0722]

The Apple Store online ALWAYS has the products available before the retail stores. We would always get miffed when users would come into the store with products they've already received that we hadn't even seen yet. If you want it first, preorder online.

In other news, what's up with the new image for Logic Express that Apple is using on the Mac Pro store configuration screen? Looks like this:

http://a248.e.akamai.net/7/248/2041/1385/store.apple.com/Catalog/US/Images/btoimage_logicexpress.jpg

Strange, just never seen that image. Wonder why they didn't use the box art like everywhere else?

[ipedro]

Can't you download the trial and use that until the "real deal" comes?

Yep. Doing that right now. It's a headache though because the Trial version won't let you transition your old library. You have to either create a Trial Library or Quit.

I created the trial library and I'm going to have to move all the package contents into the new Library. It's the long way to do it, but I'd rather not have to wait for the new disk.

I ordered it over the phone to see if they could provide me with a retail serial upon my purchase but I have to wait for the actual disk to arrive.

The associate warned me before hand that:

Educational Versions cannot be upgraded.

[hayesk]

It appears that there is no longer an academic version, only the full $200 version.


There's a placeholder on the education store, but the details page is not there yet. Did they say there was no longer an education version?

[ckurowic]

great suggestion, i second!

Good idea. I'm glad I didn't have to say it, somehow I get banned when I start telling people to stop whining. We live in a society that is too PC (politically correct) already, now we cannot speak the truth on the internet? :confused:

[hayesk]

I like the sound of the new feature set. I use Aperture quite a bit and will be very tempted to upgrade - but how much is an upgrade going to cost me?

Edit:
Hmmm. $99 for the upgrade. Ouch.

$99 seems pretty good to me. Who else offers pro product updates for $99 - certainly not Adobe.

[hayesk]

It's a shame we have to pay to get support for the new cameras :(
Not like this in the alternative solutions out there.

I would have probably bought the update just to get the feature, but to have to buy it because of some marketing ploy is just shameless! :mad:

The RAW upgrade is built into MacOS X 10.5.2 - will that not work with Aperture 1.5?

[sterlingindigo]

LOL, I'm sorry, but I'm really, really tired, not to mention not a native english speaker: I haven't got a clue as to what you're saying?

LOL Sure, but first tell me what "Tosser" means...:p

[ipedro]

So here's the procedure to import your old Library into Aperture 2.0

Warning: You'll only be able to use this library in 2.0 after this. No going back.

1 - Back up old library
2 - Install Aperture 2.0
3 - Create Trial Library when prompted
4 - Drag original Library onto Aperture 2.0's Projects pain
5 - Update Library when prompted.

[Tosser]

LOL Sure, but first tell me what "Tosser" means...:p

Well, it's double. You know the english connotations, so I'll "elegantly" skip that part and tell you what it means in danish. It's plural for "nutcase". Combine the two, and voila!

[hodgjy]

I applaud Apple for making digital photo software, but I'm curious to know what the engineers are thinking when they did. It requires a 2 ghz processor? 2 gb of ram?

I know there's two camps here--the Lightroom camp and the Aperture camp. No need to start another debate about this. But why does Lightroom require so much less horsepower to run? I can run Lightroom on my old G4 iBook when I'm out traveling light. Sure, it's slow, but at least it works. Why does Aperture require so much firepower?

[Tosser]

I applaud Apple for making digital photo software, but I'm curious to know what the engineers are thinking when they did. It requires a 2 ghz processor? 2 gb of ram?

I know there's two camps here--the Lightroom camp and the Aperture camp. No need to start another debate about this. But why does Lightroom require so much less horsepower to run? I can run Lightroom on my old G4 iBook when I'm out traveling light. Sure, it's slow, but at least it works. Why does Aperture require so much firepower?

Hmm, I just realised the Airbook is then out of the game as a light editing machine to bring along with all your lenses and whatever else pro photographers bring along. At least if the tool of choice is Aperture.

[hayesk]

Get this, my local CompUSA that is going out of business has a couple of copies of Aperture 1.5 for 30% off retail ($299)...$209.30. That's like $10 MORE than the current 2.0 and that doesn't count the $9.95 upgrade price you'd have to pay just to get to v2.0. Something tells me that until that percentage drops to 40% off it wouldn't make much sense for anyone to buy them.

Wow that is stupid! The manager of your CompUSA should have gotten into his time machine and travelled to today to see the price drop and priced the product appropriately. Sheesh!

[ipedro]

I applaud Apple for making digital photo software, but I'm curious to know what the engineers are thinking when they did. It requires a 2 ghz processor? 2 gb of ram?

I know there's two camps here--the Lightroom camp and the Aperture camp. No need to start another debate about this. But why does Lightroom require so much less horsepower to run? I can run Lightroom on my old G4 iBook when I'm out traveling light. Sure, it's slow, but at least it works. Why does Aperture require so much firepower?

That's a good question. Maybe the answer is in why I prefer it over Lightroom by a long shot.

Nonetheless, I completely understand. If you're a pro, you'll have a pro machine and Aperture was built for the pro. If you're a regular user, iPhoto is an amazing app which I use for all my personal photos.

[vandlism]

In other news, what's up with the new image for Logic Express that Apple is using on the Mac Pro store configuration screen? Looks like this:

http://a248.e.akamai.net/7/248/2041/1385/store.apple.com/Catalog/US/Images/btoimage_logicexpress.jpg

That's the icon for Logic Express. A bit more eye-catching than the white box I suppose.

[shambolic]

The RAW upgrade is built into MacOS X 10.5.2 - will that not work with Aperture 1.5?

Nope.

http://www.apple.com/aperture/specs/raw.html

"* Cameras and camera backs followed by an asterisk require Aperture 2 with Mac OS X Tiger v10.4.11 or Mac OS X Leopard v10.5.2 or later."

The asterisked cameras are the ones that had RAW capability built into OS 10.5 yesterday. On the bright side, this seems to imply that Tiger users owning the new cameras need only buy Aperture 2.0 and not Leopard too, i.e. RAW support has been essentially decoupled from the OS.

[sterlingindigo]

Well, it's double. You know the english connotations, so I'll "elegantly" skip that part and tell you what it means in danish. It's plural for "nutcase". Combine the two, and voila!

"Elegant skipping" and "tossing salad", marvelous (that means dandy). :D

I understood you to say that CompUSA discounted Aperture 30%. Our local CompUSA has only discounted Apple products a mere 10%.

[CrackedButter]

My copy has its adjustments feature set, locked, I cannot edit any images I import. Anybody else come across this?

[hodgjy]

That's a great point. However, I'll bet Adobe would consider Lightroom as a "Pro" app as well. I guess only Adobe and Apple truly know what their target audiences are.

That's a good question. Maybe the answer is in why I prefer it over Lightroom by a long shot.

Nonetheless, I completely understand. If you're a pro, you'll have a pro machine and Aperture was built for the pro. If you're a regular user, iPhoto is an amazing app which I use for all my personal photos.

[bpd115]

Hmm, I just realised the Airbook is then out of the game as a light editing machine to bring along with all your lenses and whatever else pro photographers bring along. At least if the tool of choice is Aperture.



a 2 Ghz processor is not *REQUIRED* it's recommended.

From Apple's site:

One of the following Mac computers:
Mac Pro
MacBook Pro
MacBook Air
MacBook
Mac mini with an Intel Core Solo or Duo processor
iMac with a 1.8GHz or faster PowerPC G5 or Intel Core Duo processor
Power Mac G5 with a 1.6GHz or faster PowerPC G5 processor
15- or 17-inch PowerBook G4 with a 1.25GHz or faster PowerPC G4 processor

Memory requirements
1GB of RAM
2GB of RAM for Mac Pro

[netdog]

It's not on the UK site yet (or store). I wonder how long we'll have to wait to buy?

They're wondering if £199 is too little to charge. ;)

[lloydh]

My copy has its adjustments feature set, locked, I cannot edit any images I import. Anybody else come across this?

Sounds like you're in the new preview mode.

Try pressing 'P' ;)

[sotgecho]

Tutorials are interesting.

[robbieduncan]

They're wondering if £199 is too little to charge. ;)

Well, I'll be buying the upgrade version at discount (employee purchase program where I work). I'm hoping to around £65...

[genshi]

Couple of questions for professionals (photographers) utilizing Aperture:

First - I'm a pro completely using Adobe LR & CS3. Can any of you point to a website with direct comparisons of the two products LR & Aperture?

Second - I'm looking for a solution for digital asset management. The Apple website really doesn't focus too much on it's capabilities as a "library management tool" other than saying it's powerful enough to handle it. Are any of you using Aperture for this purpose?

Aperture 2.0 looks promising and I'm looking for a tool that has Lightroom's capabilities but also a strong management tool to catalog the 10's of thousands of images I'm creating yearly. Something LR lacks right now.

Thanks

I'd also be very interested in seeing an answer to this post including raw support comparison.

There was a pretty good side by side comparison in a dual article. One guy was an Aperture user the other a Lightroom user and they tried the other camp's application and gave very honest reviews. Each app had it's own strengths and weaknesses and seem to come out about equal:

http://digitalmedia.oreilly.com/2007/03/05/aperture-vs-lightoom.html

:)

[CrackedButter]

Sounds like you're in the new preview mode.

Try pressing 'P' ;) Great thanks. I wonder how I found myself in that mode!

Well, I'll be buying the upgrade version at discount (employee purchase program where I work). I'm hoping to around £65...

I can get it on Higher Education purchase! ;)

[ChrisA]

This is a big deal for Apple. They really needed to get this out. When it comes right down to it there is only one reason to buy a Mac. and that is so you can run software. For many people Aperture was the reason they bought a Mac. Before today there is a lot of grumbling about "why bother with buying a Mac, Aperture is a dead or dieing product."

We will still have to see if Apple is able to keep up with new cameras. People hate to become dependent on Aperture it will always lag months behind the others in support for new cameras

The price drop should help too.

[the Helix]

If it's true that in order to use Nikon D3/D300 RAW files in Aperture, we are forced to buy Aperture 2,then Apple is playing a kind of extortion game. It's unconscionable that they would allow the Finder, iPhoto '08, and Preview to recognize and work with D3/D300 RAW and purposely not permit the existing version of Aperture to read those same files.

So instead of allowing the existing version of Aperture to read it, which it should be able to because the less sophisticated iPhoto can, Apple is forcing Aperture users to pay the $99 upgrade price. This is just insult upon injury. Not only did we have to wait three months for OS X to recognize D3/D300 files, but now that OS X can read those files natively, for some reason the current Aperture was not modified to do so and thus we are being coerced into upgrading to Aperture 2.

This is dirty pool and it is something that I truly did not expect from Apple. I have been an advocate of theirs since the first Macintosh came out in 1984. Never would I have thought that they would do something like this. This is a low and petty move unbecoming of a company like Apple.

[SharkySharky]

This is what the academic store page says:


That is because the link on the homepage isn't updated to take you to the new Aperture 2 page for the Academic Store.

Just do a search for Aperture 2 and it will take you to the correct page. It's $179 BTW. Not that great of a discount IMO

What I am curious about is if I currently have an academic version if I can pay the $99 upgrade price to get Aperture 2 instead of having to buy a whole new version Academic or Standard ( or Pro I guess :p )

[ChrisA]

I was all stoked when the Apple Store went down, hoping for updates to the MB/MBP. Sigh. Still waiting to pull the trigger on a new laptop. Maybe some other Tuesday.

What's the point of owning a MBP? Why would you (or anyone) want one? I assume so you can run some software on it. These software releases are the entire reason there is hardware.

[Tosser]

"Elegant skipping" and "tossing salad", marvelous (that means dandy). :D

I understood you to say that CompUSA discounted Aperture 30%. Our local CompUSA has only discounted Apple products a mere 10%.

Oh, I see. I wouldn't know, but the bloke said it was discounted by thirty percent, since that particular shop was going out of business.

[lloydh]

I'm annoyed that I can't use the trial with my existing library (officially anyway). Despite this, my experience so far with my very minimal trial library is very impressive. Really noticeable speed increase on my MBP (on top of the boost that yesterday's graphics update/10.5.2 gave).

The new interface is an improvement except for:

http://img.skitch.com/20080212-t9w8n1jeiegq5njc1xafw8bde2.jpg

Title bar seems to have grown an unnecessary chin (which grows even more if you set it to show "Icons and text".

Also, I wish it was still an option to have the main tool set on the title bar area. It might seem pedantic but I only have 1440 x 900px to play with - some users will have even less.

Obviously haven't had much time to play yet but the new adjustments (and their layout) seem great (and a little bit Lightroomesque ).

Yeah, I think I'll buy it when the UK store updates. Can someone confirm that the edu version is non-upgradable?

[ariel]

What I am curious about is if I currently have an academic version if I can pay the $99 upgrade price to get Aperture 2 instead of having to buy a whole new version Academic or Standard ( or Pro I guess :p )

Haven't found the answer to that question yet - would like to know

someone has reported seeing $69 edu pricing on the apple discussions thread - but that hasn't been confirmed yet - every attempt i've made on edu store online has said product not available.

[Michael73]

I understood you to say that CompUSA discounted Aperture 30%. Our local CompUSA has only discounted Apple products a mere 10%.

Apple stuff is all over the board. The last time I was there there was one MBP, MP and 23" ACD all 10% off, software was 30% and AppleCare was 50%.

[matperk]

What I am curious about is if I currently have an academic version if I can pay the $99 upgrade price to get Aperture 2 instead of having to buy a whole new version Academic or Standard ( or Pro I guess :p )

IIRC, Apple academic products are non-upgradeable across the board.

[jhsfosho]

I really like this updating something every tuesday. awesome.

[SharkySharky]

I'm annoyed that I can't use the trial with my existing library (officially anyway). Despite this, my experience so far with my very minimal trial library is very impressive. Really noticeable speed increase on my MBP (on top of the boost that yesterday's graphics update/10.5.2 gave).

The new interface is an improvement except for:

http://img.skitch.com/20080212-t9w8n1jeiegq5njc1xafw8bde2.jpg

Title bar seems to have grown an unnecessary chin (which grows even more if you set it to show "Icons and text".

Also, I wish it was still an option to have the main tool set on the title bar area. It might seem pedantic but I only have 1440 x 900px to play with - some users will have even less.

Obviously haven't had much time to play yet but the new adjustments (and their layout) seem great (and a little bit Lightroomesque ).

Yeah, I think I'll buy it when the UK store updates. Can someone confirm that the edu version is non-upgradable?

I have been playing with Aperture 2 and I don't have that "Waste of Space"
See my attached image for proof

I am on a 15.4" MBP 2.33 C2D 2GB Ram 10.5.2 just in case screen size makes a difference?

[SharkySharky]

IIRC, Apple academic products are non-upgradeable across the board.


Yeah I knew this was the case, but was more so crossing my fingers in hope that it would be different this time around to save me some cash! :D

Oh well, at least I will get these products for free when I am developing them in :apple:Cupertino:apple: ;)

[~David]

Is it just me, or have all custom folders that you import into the Wallpaper selection window disappeared after installing Aperture 2?

I also have two "Aperture Project" folders in the window now and I can't remove one or add any new folders.

[lloydh]

I have been playing with Aperture 2 and I don't have that "Waste of Space"
See my attached image for proof

I am on a 15.4" MBP 2.33 C2D 2GB Ram 10.5.2 just in case screen size makes a difference?

:( It seems that said "waste of space" may be a bug then.

Thanks for the feedback.

[shadowfax]

So here's the procedure to import your old Library into Aperture 2.0

Warning: You'll only be able to use this library in 2.0 after this. No going back.

1 - Back up old library
2 - Install Aperture 2.0
3 - Create Trial Library when prompted
4 - Drag original Library onto Aperture 2.0's Projects pain
5 - Update Library when prompted.

this didn't work for me. Keeps saying "Imported 0 Items." Anyone else have that problem?

[SharkySharky]

:( It seems that said "waste of space" may be a bug then.

Thanks for the feedback.

Yeah sorry dude.

Edit*

Just noticed we have the same screen size. Sorry if you already answered.

[joseph2166]

If it's true that in order to use Nikon D3/D300 RAW files in Aperture, we are forced to buy Aperture 2,then Apple is playing a kind of extortion game. It's unconscionable that they would allow the Finder, iPhoto '08, and Preview to recognize and work with D3/D300 RAW and purposely not permit the existing version of Aperture to read those same files.

So instead of allowing the existing version of Aperture to read it, which it should be able to because the less sophisticated iPhoto can, Apple is forcing Aperture users to pay the $99 upgrade price. This is just insult upon injury. Not only did we have to wait three months for OS X to recognize D3/D300 files, but now that OS X can read those files natively, for some reason the current Aperture was not modified to do so and thus we are being coerced into upgrading to Aperture 2.

This is dirty pool and it is something that I truly did not expect from Apple. I have been an advocate of theirs since the first Macintosh came out in 1984. Never would I have thought that they would do something like this. This is a low and petty move unbecoming of a company like Apple.

Yeh and why doesn't OS9 support RAW - thats what really pisses me off.

Software gets 'old' in the eyes of developers (or maybe the management) - the latest iPhoto can use these RAW files and so can the latest Aperture, thats the way these things go.

But whats $90 - if you're photography-mad enough to HAVE to use RAW then the price is worth it surely?

[SharkySharky]

Yeh and why doesn't OS9 support RAW - thats what really pisses me off.

Software gets 'old' in the eyes of developers (or maybe the management) - the latest iPhoto can use these RAW files and so can the latest Aperture, thats the way these things go.

But whats $90 - if you're photography-mad enough to HAVE to use RAW then the price is worth it surely?

If it's true that in order to use Nikon D3/D300 RAW files in Aperture, we are forced to buy Aperture 2,then Apple is playing a kind of extortion game. It's unconscionable that they would allow the Finder, iPhoto '08, and Preview to recognize and work with D3/D300 RAW and purposely not permit the existing version of Aperture to read those same files.

So instead of allowing the existing version of Aperture to read it, which it should be able to because the less sophisticated iPhoto can, Apple is forcing Aperture users to pay the $99 upgrade price. This is just insult upon injury. Not only did we have to wait three months for OS X to recognize D3/D300 files, but now that OS X can read those files natively, for some reason the current Aperture was not modified to do so and thus we are being coerced into upgrading to Aperture 2.

This is dirty pool and it is something that I truly did not expect from Apple. I have been an advocate of theirs since the first Macintosh came out in 1984. Never would I have thought that they would do something like this. This is a low and petty move unbecoming of a company like Apple.

Apple probably thought that since this is a PRO Application that people wanted Aperture 2 with the new features, just as much (if not more) as they wanted RAW support.

In my opinion, and not being a "professional" photography but more of a "hobbyist," I am not bugged to have to pay for Aperture 2 just to get RAW support.

If you look at in the way that you are paying $200 for RAW support then you will be excited to see all the "FREE" new features and everything else that is included in Aperture 2

[adamzx3]

Still no Curves?? sheesh I cant stand sliders when I know exactly where I want to bump the curve.

That sucks theres no d3/300 support in aperture 1.5 if I read correctly...seems like their might be some aperture to lightroom switchers!

[mmichan]

I'm annoyed that I can't use the trial with my existing library (officially anyway). Despite this, my experience so far with my very minimal trial library is very impressive. Really noticeable speed increase on my MBP (on top of the boost that yesterday's graphics update/10.5.2 gave).

The new interface is an improvement except for:

http://img.skitch.com/20080212-t9w8n1jeiegq5njc1xafw8bde2.jpg

Title bar seems to have grown an unnecessary chin (which grows even more if you set it to show "Icons and text".

Also, I wish it was still an option to have the main tool set on the title bar area. It might seem pedantic but I only have 1440 x 900px to play with - some users will have even less.

Obviously haven't had much time to play yet but the new adjustments (and their layout) seem great (and a little bit Lightroomesque ).

Yeah, I think I'll buy it when the UK store updates. Can someone confirm that the edu version is non-upgradable?

Try this:

[EagerDragon]

I been waiting a long time to get Aperture but specifically version 2.

Looks like it adds a lot of the photo editing features that made lightroom a favorate of some of the photograpphers.

Based on my understanding Aperture was prefered by those that wanted the organizational power of Aperture. Lightroom was prefered by those that needed the photo editing capabilites of Lightroom. This moves Apperture closer and may bring some lightroom users to Aperture.

Great news in my book.

[chubad]

anyone try the upgrade compatability check on a V1 acedemic version?

I would like to know this as well. Sometime, (as with Final Cut Studio) Apple looks the other way on acedemic upgrades simply to broaden their upgradeable user base.
If anyone gets confirmation that an academic serial number is eligible please post!

[pyramid6]

Is anyone else not really impressed with the new features? I only played with it for about 15 minutes, but in that time the only "new" thing I found was repair. Everything else just seems like they just moved it around, Also, why they hell did they make tabs for the adjustments, metadata, and library? That was one of the big things I hate about LightRoom. Having to switch between modes. Yes it's faster, but if you work in a non-linear fashion, it sucks. Anyone know if you go back to the old way?

P6

[EagerDragon]

hmmmmm, would like to upgrade but don't think we have the $$ for it now . . . does anyone have a sense of how major a release this is? is it worth $200, what are the new features?

Typically there is a $99.00 upgrade version.

[chubad]

IIRC, Apple academic products are non-upgradeable across the board.

Not always. The Final Cut Studio cross grade allowed even educational copies to be upgraded to the full application. Tons of people did this.

[Furrybeagle]

Imported some RAW .cr2 images from a Canon 350D (8 MP).

Feels a snappier on my PB G4 (1.67 GHz, Jan 05). Less system lag, makes me want to switch back to Aperture (I currently use Lightroom because of performance). Straightening an image is now smooth (although applying adjustments after straightening is still laggy). The preview mode feature also helps. It would probably run perfectly on a MBP. :D

[SharkySharky]

I would like to know this as well. Sometime, (as with Final Cut Studio) Apple looks the other way on acedemic upgrades simply to broaden their upgradeable user base.
If anyone gets confirmation that an academic serial number is eligible please post!

I did the Aperture Checker on my computer before installing the Trial version (bored while waiting) and it said that I was able to get Aperture 2. I am not 100% sure but I am PRETTY sure I have the Academic of Aperture 1.5

[arkmannj]

Hrmm...anybody know how this will work...

I just purchased the academic version of Aperture 1.5. I haven't opened it yet as I am going to be receiving my new Mac Pro today. Will I be eligible for the upgrade ($10)? Or will I need to return it and buy the full-version (an additional $50)?

It appears that there is no longer an academic version, only the full $200 version.

Hickman

it took 'em a bit to get it up (academic version) and I had to go to the left side menu bar>>Mac software >> Just added >> Aperature Academic $179

[FleurDuMal]

Does anyone know how this would fly on a 2Ghz CD Macbook with a 24" monitor attached???? I know it says it can run on the Macbook, but would the extra screen space be too many pixels for my poor Macbooks little GMA950 to push????

[Eric Piercey]

If it's true that in order to use Nikon D3/D300 RAW files in Aperture, we are forced to buy Aperture 2,then Apple is playing a kind of extortion game. It's unconscionable that they would allow the Finder, iPhoto '08, and Preview to recognize and work with D3/D300 RAW and purposely not permit the existing version of Aperture to read those same files.

So instead of allowing the existing version of Aperture to read it, which it should be able to because the less sophisticated iPhoto can, Apple is forcing Aperture users to pay the $99 upgrade price. This is just insult upon injury. Not only did we have to wait three months for OS X to recognize D3/D300 files, but now that OS X can read those files natively, for some reason the current Aperture was not modified to do so and thus we are being coerced into upgrading to Aperture 2.

This is dirty pool and it is something that I truly did not expect from Apple. I have been an advocate of theirs since the first Macintosh came out in 1984. Never would I have thought that they would do something like this. This is a low and petty move unbecoming of a company like Apple.

Hear hear. I honestly don't believe if this is the case it will remain the case. I can easily see Apple purposely dragging their butts as far as getting an update to Aperture 1.5 that reads the new formats- compounded by their usual policy of stone silence - with the sole intention of herding people into paying the $99. Most people would upgrade regardless, but you're absolutely 100% correct that this would be completely sleazy for a company like Apple.

I'll wait and read up. I was an Aperture fan.. tried Lightroom and there was no contest- LR had better retouching tools and ran better. I did prefer Aperture's file management but not enough to stay. In Aperture both the photo's and the database can be stored in one container which acts as a file, as opposed to LR where the DB file is separate from imported image files. The result is files end up all over the place with LR if you don't manage them. No biggie in the grand scheme.

So it should be fun to see what Aperture 2.0 has to offer. Switching back would be a royal pain in the butt- so it's pretty unlikely I'll upgrade unless there's something I can't live without in A2.0, but never the less it's great that Apple is moving forward, albeit somewhat obnoxiously.

I will say this much... on the Mac Pro (early 2008 2.8) Aperture 1.5 is very responsive compared to my G5 2.0, even with just the 2600 card. I daresay it's even more snappy than LR on the new machine. LR seems to be taking more time to render previews, i.e. click an image and see pixelly looking preview for about 3 sec with the "hold on, I'm working on it" message. I haven't had a chance to really play with either yet on the new machine other than just getting them up and registered etc.

I'll post my long winded thoughts on 2.0 when I get my hands on the demo.

[chubad]

I did the Aperture Checker on my computer before installing the Trial version (bored while waiting) and it said that I was able to get Aperture 2. I am not 100% sure but I am PRETTY sure I have the Academic of Aperture 1.5

All the little checker does is to confirm that your machine has the hardware requirements to run Aperture. It does not check the number.

[vanmacguy]

Ha, the code they send you for the trial is for 1.5!

Ah well, I suppose I will have to request another one later.

Has anyone had any luck with the trial serial number?

The one I got was for 2.0. But you have to be running 10.5.2 in order to install it.

Interesting!

cheers.

[chubad]

I don't even have the updated software yet but I have a bug fix!

Run software update and you will find the ever amusing iLife Support update. It states that it contains important bug fixes for Aperture 2.

[jemo07]

What's sad is having to pay to gain support for cameras that have been out for months. :mad:

I probably would have updated, but this tactical delay by marketing to gain some extras sales has has a different effect. I am not going to look into lightroom! How is that Steve?:cool:

[EagerDragon]

but where is my MBP?:D

thanks for the enlightening message:rolleyes:

[/jokingly]Since there are some of us that have benn waiting longer for the PG G5, then I expect you will have to wait until the PB G5 comes out. A bit of a queue.[/jokingly]

[scrambledwonder]

Very very cool. Just watched the "What's new" video on the Aperture site. I love that the project viewer is available in full-screen mode. Oh, and the ability to browse projects from thumbnails is just brilliant. Definitely want.

[lloydh]

Try this:

That was the first thing I tried after SharkySharky replied.

The good news is that it seems to have fixed itself! Not sure when - I've just been doing some work in 1.5.2 ...but it's fixed. :D

I have to admit, using 1.5.2 after having played with 2.0, there didn't seem like much difference.

To be honest, the new usable straighten tool may be enough to warrant the upgrade!

[EagerDragon]

Get this, my local CompUSA that is going out of business has a couple of copies of Aperture 1.5 for 30% off retail ($299)...$209.30. That's like $10 MORE than the current 2.0 and that doesn't count the $9.95 upgrade price you'd have to pay just to get to v2.0. Something tells me that until that percentage drops to 40% off it wouldn't make much sense for anyone to buy them.

Since the product is now selling for 199, tell the manager to give you the 30% or 40% based on the new 199 price and not the old price.

[ChrisA]

I would like to know this as well. Sometime, (as with Final Cut Studio) Apple looks the other way on acedemic upgrades simply to broaden their upgradeable user base.
If anyone gets confirmation that an academic serial number is eligible please post!

There is a program you can download from Apple's Aperture web site. It says "Run this to see if you can upgrade, before you place your order". It would seen that running this program would once and for all answer this question. Try it and see if your academic version is upgradeable. No need to guess.

[shadowfax]

this didn't work for me. Keeps saying "Imported 0 Items." Anyone else have that problem?

To answer my own question--It appears that in the trial version, you will not be able to import your 1.x libraries en masse into Aperture 2. You will have to pull individual projects out of your old library and import them into the trial library. You need the full version to actually update your library to version 2.0. Kind of stupid, IMHO, as I have a full backup of my 1.x library. But whatever, my full version will be in the mail soon...

[Buran]

It appears that there is no longer an academic version, only the full $200 version.

I ordered it an hour ago for $69 from our institutional store. It does show as $199 in the education individual store.

[ChrisA]

I applaud Apple for making digital photo software, but I'm curious to know what the engineers are thinking when they did. It requires a 2 ghz processor? 2 gb of ram?

I know there's two camps here--the Lightroom camp and the Aperture camp. No need to start another debate about this. But why does Lightroom require so much less horsepower to run? I can run Lightroom on my old G4 iBook when I'm out traveling light. Sure, it's slow, but at least it works. Why does Aperture require so much firepower?

Apple choose a feature set different from Adobe's. For example in Aperture I can display 16 raw images at once on two large 30" monitors and then move a slider and adjust something about how all 16 images are converted and see then all change in real time. That is hundreds of megabytes of data being updated at what? 30 to 15 times per second. They did this by leveraging the processing power inside the GPU.
Apple made the call to allow features like this knowing full well that they'd cut out users with low end equipment. Apple does want to sell you new computers.

Adobe does not sell computers and wanted the larges possible target customers base and had nothing to gain be cutting out potential customers.

[randomlinh]

Aperture runs fine on a Macbook, and nowhere does it say it requires a dedicated video card

runs "fine" is very subjective. I have a 2.16ghz iMac touted with 3GB of ram. I find it "ok" to use. Lightroom is faster for me. I could not imagine aperture on the laptop w/o a dedicated video card. that's why I was wondering if Aperture 2 got any faster. I like the management of Aperture, but w/ Apple not getting into the normal headless mac market, I may be switching back to a Windows platform with my next computer, and hence jumping to Lightroom.

But if they proved they actually make it run faster on the same hardware, I'd be more willing to stick my neck out on it. Altho, I'm not too fond of this forcing to upgrade just to support newer raw files.. I hope this was just an oversight.

[riversky]

Looks like the required specs don't include my MacBook laptop. Integrated graphics are not supported! :mad:

[FleurDuMal]

Looks like the required specs don't include my MacBook laptop. Integrated graphics are not supported! :mad:

Minimum System Requirements

One of the following Mac computers:
Mac Pro
MacBook Pro
MacBook Air
MacBook
Mac mini with an Intel Core Solo or Duo processor
iMac with a 1.8GHz or faster PowerPC G5 or Intel Core Duo processor
Power Mac G5 with a 1.6GHz or faster PowerPC G5 processor
15- or 17-inch PowerBook G4 with a 1.25GHz or faster PowerPC G4 processor
Memory requirements
1GB of RAM
2GB of RAM for Mac Pro
One of the following graphics cards:
ATI Radeon X600 Pro, X600 XT, X800 XT Mac Edition, X850 XT, X1600, X1900 XT, 9800 XT, 9800 Pro, 9700 Pro, 9600, 9600 XT, 9600 Pro, 9650, HD 2400 XT, HD 2600 PRO, or HD 2600 XT
ATI Mobility Radeon 9700 or 9600
ATI Mobility Radeon X1600
NVIDIA GeForce FX 5200 Ultra, 6600, 6600 LE, 6800 Ultra DDL, 6800 GT DDL, 7300 GT, 7800 GT, 8600M GT, or 8800 GT
NVIDIA Quadro FX 4500 or FX 5600
Intel GMA 950 or GMA X3100
Minimum operating system requirements
Mac OS X v10.4.11 Tiger
Mac OS X v10.5.2 Leopard
DVD drive for installation
5GB of hard drive space for the application and sample projects

Are Apple just being optimistic then? :(

[jmorrison0722]

Looks like the required specs don't include my MacBook laptop. Integrated graphics are not supported! :mad:

Why are so many people under the impression you need a graphics card to run aperture. It is simply not true. Apple recommends a graphics card, but the minimum system requirements clearly state you can run it on a Macbook, which as you know, has no dedicated graphics card. Now, how 'well' it will run on a non-graphics card system is up for debate, but it will run. I run it on my Macbook and it runs fine.

[amberashby]

Anyone confirm yet if you can upgrade a V1 Academic version for $99? Apple's website doesn't say anything about not being able to.


Upgrade Requirements

To upgrade to Aperture 2, you'll need a Mac with Aperture 1.5 installed and a valid serial number. You should download and run the Aperture 2 Compatibility Checker before ordering the upgrade to make sure your Mac meets the minimum system requirements for Aperture 2.

[jmorrison0722]

Anyone confirm yet if you can upgrade a V1 Academic version for $99? Apple's website doesn't say anything about not being able to.


Upgrade Requirements

To upgrade to Aperture 2, you'll need a Mac with Aperture 1.5 installed and a valid serial number. You should download and run the Aperture 2 Compatibility Checker before ordering the upgrade to make sure your Mac meets the minimum system requirements for Aperture 2.


In the past, Academic version and NFR copies were not upgradable...I'm sure it's the same now...but I don't KNOW that.

[Craiger77]

That is because the link on the homepage isn't updated to take you to the new Aperture 2 page for the Academic Store.

Just do a search for Aperture 2 and it will take you to the correct page. It's $179 BTW. Not that great of a discount IMO

What I am curious about is if I currently have an academic version if I can pay the $99 upgrade price to get Aperture 2 instead of having to buy a whole new version Academic or Standard ( or Pro I guess :p )

Apple very clearly states that Academic versions are NOT upgradeable. Since the current discount is only $21 compared to $150 discount for the previous version buying the Academic version is rather stupid unless you never plan to upgrade in the future. In other words saving $21 now will cost you $100 in the future because you will have to buy the full version for $200 instead of upgrading for $99

[BenRoethig]

It seems like a good update, but why didn't they announce it a couple weeks back during that photo conference?

[Benjamindaines]

For the upgrade it just needs a valid serial number for aperture 1 right? And its the same as the full app right? Or do I need to install aperture 1 and then upgrade?

[ChrisA]

Hmm, I just realised the Airbook is then out of the game as a light editing machine to bring along with all your lenses and whatever else pro photographers bring along. At least if the tool of choice is Aperture.

Under "tech specs" Apple lists "Macbook Air" as a supported. All current Apple notebooks are on the list. However Intel GMA graphic chips are listed under "minimum requirements" but do not appear in the "recommended requirements".

[ChrisA]

It seems like a good update, but why didn't they announce it a couple weeks back during that photo conference?

Maybe they did not know until yesterday when Aperture 2.0 would be ready?

I'm working on software right now. I may finish today or maybe tomorrow. I won't know untill later. The art that is broke will either be triveal to fix or will take about a day to re-write. This is common in software. Already I've talked to two people on the phone saying I'll have a half fixed version out by lunch time.

[shadowfax]

Under "tech specs" Apple lists "Macbook Air" as a supported. All current Apple notebooks are on the list. However Intel GMA graphic chips are listed under "minimum requirements" but do not appear in the "recommended requirements".

I bet the MBA SSD will run Aperture better than the MacBook. Just a guess, but most of the lag for Aperture on my computer is from loading my 8MP RAWs from the hard drive.

Not that it matters too much, though, since you can only hold a handful of RAW images on a 64 GB SSD... my own library is trim at 10 GB, and I would hate to devote that much space to photos on the MBA.

Although, If you can afford a nice big external USB drive, I would expect that the MBA with SSD will be awesome for aperture, really. I mean, you can keep the masters you are currently working on as well as all the previews for your Library on the SSD, and then as it gets bigger, you can relocate old masters to a spare library on an external drive. Apple makes that fairly easy.

[BenRoethig]

If a workstation is what you're looking for absolutely nothing. That being said, its massive overkill for consumer apps which aren't multi-processor aware. You guys are within the scope of needs for it. The rest of us who just want a desktop, not so much.

[triplefinger]

I just found that aperture 2 supports DNG files made from the epson RD-1 *.erf files, which is worth the price of admission for me.

woohoo!:D

[SiliconAddict]

The phrase better late then never comes to mind...but I'll take it.

[CTYankee]

Nothing, if a workstation is what you're looking for absolutely nothing. That being said, its massive overkill.


Guess you never used Photoshop. Or never use it for large files. Or don't mind spending 3-4x as long to do things. Fact is even at home my Mac Pro takes longer to do some things than I'd like. My friends iMac (new 20") is frustratingly slow at times to do things that are nearly instant on the Mac Pro.

Perhaps the most naive signature I've ever seen. Sounds more like envy than anything else.

[shadowfax]

Guess you never used Photoshop. Or never use it for large files. Or don't mind spending 3-4x as long to do things. Fact is even at home my Mac Pro takes longer to do some things than I'd like. My friends iMac (new 20") is frustratingly slow at times to do things that are nearly instant on the Mac Pro.

Perhaps the most naive signature I've ever seen. Sounds more like envy than anything else.

....But it's a workstation. How often does Joe Schmo edit 50-200MB photoshop files? That's right, never. I think that an iMac with 4 GB of RAM is going to be quite the contender for awesome home machine. The Mac Pro is ultimate because it's a workstation and it is overkill.

And I do own photoshop, and I do have a 160 MB photoshop file. That I made in high school for fun, that I never need. My MBP handles the 10-20 MB photoshop files I play with fine, probably on par with a Mac Pro... I sure don't notice any delays anywhere.

If my Hobby were racing cars, I wouldn't buy an Accord V6, or even a BMW 330. I want the 350Z, the BMW M3/M5, or whatever fancy-pants sports car. It's overkill for driving to work. It's not overkill if you take it to the track on weekends.

Same with the Mac Pro. It's overkill unless your hobby is doing Workstation-grade stuff.

[macenforcer]

....But it's a workstation. How often does Joe Schmo edit 50-200MB photoshop files? That's right, never. I think that an iMac with 4 GB of RAM is going to be quite the contender for awesome home machine. The Mac Pro is ultimate because it's a workstation and it is overkill.

And I do own photoshop, and I do have a 160 MB photoshop file. That I made in high school for fun, that I never need. My MBP handles the 10-20 MB photoshop files I play with fine, probably on par with a Mac Pro... I sure don't notice any delays anywhere.

Oh please.

You can never have too much SPEED, money or happiness.

When the mac pro can encode a ripped movie in less than a second it STILL won't be overkill. When it rips a movie in negative time, like before I decide to click the button, then its overkill.

[shadowfax]

Oh please.

You can never have too much SPEED, money or happiness.

When the mac pro can encode a ripped movie in less than a second it STILL won't be overkill. When it rips a movie in negative time, like before I decide to click the button, then its overkill.

I take it you own a $10 million house, a $2 million car, and you're too busy to visit forums like this.

oh wait... hmmm, dang, I never thought about this, but real people actually take into account their needs and the cost of the things that provide those needs. Yeah, funny that, huh? and from that perspective, If i can get a 24" computer with 4 GB of RAM, a 256 MB video card, and a 2.4 GHz dual processor chip in it, I don't see why I need to spend another 2 grand on a cinema display and 6 more cores.

the cost/benefit ratio drops dramatically. Hence, it is called overkill for the home user--not for the hardcore home movie/photo/graphics enthusiast.

and even if that weren't the case, who made you the god that decides that a machine pre-empting you is too fast? That sounds like a useful convenience to me. Not anymore overkill than having a machine that can do everything I never do in 0 seconds.

[bobbleheadbob]

OK, please excuse my ignorance as this is probably too basic a question and may have been answered already elsewhere, but what are the main differences between Aperture 2.0 and iPhoto '08 that would make it worth the extra $200 to buy? Thanks.

[Benjamindaines]

OK, please excuse my ignorance as this is probably too basic a question and may have been answered already elsewhere, but what are the main differences between Aperture 2.0 and iPhoto '08 that would make it worth the extra $200 to buy? Thanks.

If you're asking that question, you probably don't need it. Aperture is the Pro app, it's like Final Cut VS iMovie.

[shadowfax]

OK, please excuse my ignorance as this is probably too basic a question and may have been answered already elsewhere, but what are the main differences between Aperture 2.0 and iPhoto '08 that would make it worth the extra $200 to buy? Thanks.

You might check this out, it was the most promising thread I saw in the search:

Poll: iPhoto, Aperture, or iView... (http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=177372)

[bobbleheadbob]

If you're asking that question, you probably don't need it. Aperture is the Pro app, it's like Final Cut VS iMovie.

Actually, I'm pretty sure already that I don't NEED it. I'm more wondering what the different, specific features are from iPhoto that would make me WANT it...or maybe more accurately make me want to get it for my wife....she's the photographer. :-)

[macenforcer]

I take it you own a $10 million house, a $2 million car, and you're too busy to visit forums like this.

oh wait... hmmm, dang, I never thought about this, but real people actually take into account their needs and the cost of the things that provide those needs. Yeah, funny that, huh? and from that perspective, If i can get a 24" computer with 4 GB of RAM, a 256 MB video card, and a 2.4 GHz dual processor chip in it, I don't see why I need to spend another 2 grand on a cinema display and 6 more cores.

the cost/benefit ratio drops dramatically. Hence, it is called overkill for the home user--not for the hardcore home movie/photo/graphics enthusiast.

and even if that weren't the case, who made you the god that decides that a machine pre-empting you is too fast? That sounds like a useful convenience to me. Not anymore overkill than having a machine that can do everything I never do in 0 seconds.


Well I guess if you have the money to blow nothing is overkill now is it?

[shadowfax]

Well I guess if you have the money to blow nothing is overkill now is it?

I would argue you actually have to use something for the cost/benefit ratio of that something to go down. If I have infinite money and buy 6 houses and forget about one, then I'm just being wasteful--overkill. There are better things to do with your money (when you have enough to "blow") than spend it on things you don't need. Like giving to [insert charitable organization here].

[shadowfax]

Actually, I'm pretty sure already that I don't NEED it. I'm more wondering what the different, specific features are from iPhoto that would make me WANT it...or maybe more accurately make me want to get it for my wife....she's the photographer. :-)

The latest iPhoto looks quite impressive, and it has a lot of the correction/adjustment features you would probably commonly use in Aperture--like brightness/contrast, crop, straighten, etc.

Aperture has a lot more advance correction features, and is also geared towards working with RAW images. It seems to just put more advanced things more at your fingertips, whereas iPhoto puts the easy stuff at your fingertips. They are both really cool Applications.

So, how into photography is your wife? I would think unless she's got a digital SLR that Aperture is probably unnecessary.

[MaddMacs]

Got this from an email this morning

Apple is pleased to announce the release of Aperture 2. This major upgrade
delivers over 100 dramatic new features, including advanced image processing,
a streamlined interface, faster performance, unprecedented Mac integration,
and more.

[RichardF]

Forgive me the question:

What does Aperture do that iPhoto cannot?

[lloydh]

And I do own photoshop, and I do have a 160 MB photoshop file.

I did some work experience with a pro photographer who had a Mac Pro (don't know which model) with 8GB of RAM and he was frequently waiting for his system to catch up when adjusting images.

To add some sense of perspective, he often ended up with multi-gigabyte PSDs. How? Well when you're combining a few exposures from your 48MP hasselblad you'll begin to understand.

An area where I can really see the Mac Pro's horsepower being used is when batch processing your finished photos to hand them off to clients as JPEGs / TIFFs.

[pyramid6]

Actually, I'm pretty sure already that I don't NEED it. I'm more wondering what the different, specific features are from iPhoto that would make me WANT it...or maybe more accurately make me want to get it for my wife....she's the photographer. :-)

Non-destructive editing. To my knowlegde only LightRoom and Aperture are able to do it. Everything else Aperture does, other tools do.

[BenRoethig]

Guess you never used Photoshop. Or never use it for large files. Or don't mind spending 3-4x as long to do things. Fact is even at home my Mac Pro takes longer to do some things than I'd like. My friends iMac (new 20") is frustratingly slow at times to do things that are nearly instant on the Mac Pro.

Perhaps the most naive signature I've ever seen. Sounds more like envy than anything else.

You're telling me. Having that 20" iMac, I am as disappointed in it as I was impressed when I got my B&W G3. I've tried to like it but I just don't. Anyway, I must have hit return before I finished by previous post, you photoshop guys and other users of professional apps need that extra power.

[pyramid6]

The MacPro is the only Mac you can put more than 1T of internal storage. It's the only mac you can put more than 4 gigs of ram. It's the only Mac you can hook up two external monitors. Just because you don't need it, doesn't mean I don't need it. BTW, I use one at work and one at home. I am probably not a professional in the sense you mean it.

[bobbleheadbob]

The latest iPhoto looks quite impressive, and it has a lot of the correction/adjustment features you would probably commonly use in Aperture--like brightness/contrast, crop, straighten, etc.

Aperture has a lot more advance correction features, and is also geared towards working with RAW images. It seems to just put more advanced things more at your fingertips, whereas iPhoto puts the easy stuff at your fingertips. They are both really cool Applications.

So, how into photography is your wife? I would think unless she's got a digital SLR that Aperture is probably unnecessary.

Right now she has a Canon Rebel. I'll probably be getting her a Canon 40D sometime soon and either keep the Rebel for myself or eBay it.

[BenRoethig]

Please re-read my post now that I had a chance to go back and fix it. Look, some of us can't afford three grand for a MP but are well above and beyond what an iMac, the only step down can do. That's what my signature is about. You guys need and have apps that can extra power and have the budget to afford the extra price. Those of us on the power end of the old PowerMac spectrum don't.

[Fast Shadow]

Not true. All of the cameras for which "OS-level" support was added in 10.5.2 still don't work in Aperture 1.5.x (despite Preview and iPhoto being able to decode the images). So unless they decide to push out a final 1.5.7 point release, owners of the D3/D300 and the other newly added cameras will have to either upgrade to 2.0 or move to Lightroom or another converter.

That sucks, but it is worth pointing out that Apple is not alone in that behavior. Newer versions of Camera Raw do not work with Photoshop CS2, for example. The problem is that camera technology is moving at a much faster pace than image processing technology. By the time a processing software company such as Apple, Adobe, or CaptureOne releases an update, they're already behind the curve again because Canon, Nikon, Sony, etc have all released new products.

[tofupancake]

FWIW, Aperture 2 has extensive trackpad gesture support (pdf (http://manuals.info.apple.com/en/Aperture_2.0_lbn_z.pdf)), including pinch, swipe, and rotate, currently only on the Macbook Air of course.

[beatzfreak]

Right now she has a Canon Rebel. I'll probably be getting her a Canon 40D sometime soon and either keep the Rebel for myself or eBay it.

Wow, you're wife is lucky.

I have the Rebel right now and I just tried Aperture. For some reason, my Canon raw files show up with a pretty nasty yellow tinge. You might want to have your wife try it out first.

[paleck]

It figures this happens when I just got Apeture 1.5 for Christmas... :mad:

[supercooled]

What's sad is having to pay to gain support for cameras that have been out for months. :mad:

I probably would have updated, but this tactical delay by marketing to gain some extras sales has has a different effect. I am not going to look into lightroom! How is that Steve?:cool:

I'm assuming you paid for Aperture 1.5 then? Just give Steve the one finger salute and say hello to Juarez.

[Phil A.]

Aperture 2.0 looks like it will be a great update, although it wasn't easy to find the trial version (the link from Aperture 2 on the UK site started downloading the 1.5 trial!), and it isn't even possible to buy it yet outside the US and Canada.
It all seems a bit disjointed and not what I've come to expect from Apple. Not only does a link labeled as version 2.0 download 1.5, buying it is all over the place too: When you finally manage to download the trial and start it up you get a dialog box with one of the options being "buy now". If you click on that, it takes you to the US Aperture 2 purchase page. However, when you change country to other than USA or Canada, the purchase page changes to 1.5.6! Come on, Apple - I want to give you some more money; please let me buy this upgrade in the UK :)

[shadowfax]

Right now she has a Canon Rebel. I'll probably be getting her a Canon 40D sometime soon and either keep the Rebel for myself or eBay it.

If that's the case, I would say that Aperture is worth looking at. I would just have watch the Aperture and iPhoto tutorials and see if there's anything in Aperture she felt she might use. I find Aperture to be a bit of a luxury for myself (I have a Rebel XT, and I don't take this all that seriously), but it is a much more pleasant experience overall, I would say.

[Abstract]

Umm...I ran Aperture 1.5 on my Macbook, which doesn't have a graphics card.
Just checked, and Aperture 2 doesn't require one either.

Perhaps you're thinking of Motion, which does indeed require a dedicated graphics card.

No, you don't NEED one, but Aperture never ran great on a MacBook. They lowered the minimum specs and eventually made it run on a MacBook, but it was never really designed to do so.

But hey, the loupe was slow even for some users with a Quad Core, so....

[66217]

I am trying Aperture 2 in my MacBook (2GHz, 2 GB RAM, Core Duo) and it is MUCH MORE faster than Aperture 1.5. Though I am yet to import my hole library. I have only imported about a hundred photos.

Also, the retouch tool is great. At least for me, a hobby photographer, this means no more Photoshop in 99% of my photos.

Now I'll just wait a couple of weeks and see the possible minor bugs to get fixed.:)

Aperture 2.0 looks like it will be a great update, although it wasn't easy to find the trial version (the link from Aperture 2 on the UK site started downloading the 1.5 trial!), and it isn't even possible to buy it yet outside the US and Canada.


It seems to work in Mexico's store. $239 USD (Not that bad:))

[oilpressure]

Earlier this a.m. ordered upgrade to version 2.0. Tried the upgrade via the website route and stopped as there was no download option. Downloaded the trial version and after starting the trial, an option appears allowing you to buy the software. You select that option and it takes you to Apple site.

After clicking on upgrade you are presented with upgrade checkbox with software Key only. When you select that you buy the upgrade key (no download necessary) and receive a purchase Order Confirmation. You should receive, with the confirmation email (according to Apple's own site) an upgrade key to enter into the trial. There was no key. After contacting support they said I should wait up to 24 hours for key to be generated and emailed to me. The Order Status page at Apple tells me that the order has been 'shipped' via electronic delivery.

Anybody else experience this?

[ibilly]

I wish I could get a Mac Pro but I've got a rev. A MBP @ 2.16 and aperture 1.5.x is sloooow

while Leopard is faster in some respects, I don't expect Aperture 2.0 to ease my woes with laggy Aperture and long export times. I kindof need a new computer but I just can't justify it after only a year and a half

The changes also seem nice but I'm not sure that it's worth the hundred bucks. I guess I'll trial it but a tower with 4+gb of ram and internal storage or FW 800 is probably where I should start putting my money