17" CRT imac has been released!!! [Archive]

jelloshotsrule

Apr 29, 2002, 04:59 AM

$1,249.00
700MHz PowerPC G4
128MB SDRAM
40GB Ultra ATA drive
Combo drive (DVD/CD-RW)
56K internal modem

$1,516.00
700MHz PowerPC G4
512MB SDRAM
40GB Ultra ATA drive
Combo drive (DVD/CD-RW)
56K internal modem
eMac Stand

those are the two specs...

interesting that it's education only (it seems)... also still somewhat pricey (not sub-1000 as many have asked for) but it looks good in my opinion

Falleron

Apr 29, 2002, 05:01 AM

Not too far off the 1000 mark though. And I presume that later on they will be introduced to the general public + not just education.

jelloshotsrule

Apr 29, 2002, 05:01 AM

after a bit more looking i found this

http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2002/apr/29emac.html

it's apparently starting at 999... not sure why i didn't get that price when logging into the education store. maybe it's because i went in as a student, not as administrator or whatever... looks great though

Falleron

Apr 29, 2002, 05:12 AM

Oh what! They are not going to be sold until June according to the UK Apple store!!

iGav

Apr 29, 2002, 05:16 AM

***** man......

Apple has gon on a bit of a blitz today........ new TiBooks and the eMac.......

I want to apologise to sjs as I rememeber a while ago, completely disagreeing that Apple would release a 17"CRT all in one mac.......

You were right buddy!!!! ;)

TiMacLover

Apr 29, 2002, 05:17 AM

Look what Jobs said about eMac...

http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2002/apr/29emac.html

jelloshotsrule

Apr 29, 2002, 05:21 AM

it says "late may" on the US store...

i guess the key is that they need em by mid summer so that schools can have time to get them set up and everything before fall...

mmmdreg

Apr 29, 2002, 05:29 AM

That's an amazing computer! Who would have thought that on an unremarkable day like the 29/04/02, a whole new computer would be released? Are normal consumers allowed to buy them? When do you think the old iMacs are going to stop hanging around? OK, they're cheap, but now schools are going to buy eMacs and consumers who want a mac should be willing to shell out enough for a new iMac...

jelloshotsrule

Apr 29, 2002, 05:33 AM

Originally posted by mmmdreg
Are normal consumers allowed to buy them? When do you think the old iMacs are going to stop hanging around?

as of now the regular consumer store does not show the emac, and on the emac page, the buy now is a link right to the education store... so, for now at least, they're only for education.

i also noticed the options are different depending on whether you're at student or a school looking to buy. the cheaper options are for the schools. the 999 version doesn't have a modem (i'm guessing most schools dont need modems these days- and the ones that do can pay the little extra for it), as well as some other stuff... but all in all it looks great.

Beej

Apr 29, 2002, 05:41 AM

Ah SWEET! This computer goes off! Why were there no rumors about this? Apple did a brilliant job of keeping this one quiet... I don't think anyone was expecting this.

And it's nice to see a departure from iEverything...

anyone remember the ePower? The iMac rip off? He he he :)

iGav

Apr 29, 2002, 05:53 AM

Some people were predicting these macs, a 17" CRT all in one mac, although we all thought it'd be just called the iMac, or classic iMac, but this is a wonderous move by Apple, a completely new enclosure, with a G4...... this is very good for Apple in the education sector!!

I'm beginning to think we may just get the G4 iBook at MWNY.... I really believe that the Apple will be shifting everything G4 much much sooner than people have predicted, and if this is happening then I think the G5 might be closer than we all think, maybe towards Autumn this year (Not MWNY I think that might be pushing it!!) but then again, as Apple have proved this year with the new iMac, 14" iBooks, much improved TiBooks, and the eMac...... we could be in for a seriously exciting MWNY......

Heh heh....... my how things change, last week the boards were pretty quiet on the new release front, now monday, a major upgrade, and a completely new machine!!

Outstanding!!!

:D

Falleron

Apr 29, 2002, 05:58 AM

One thing is true, there is very little range of processing speeds across the product range! 700-1000 (on G4's anyway). There needs to be a larger gap between top and bottom, come on NY.

TiMacLover

Apr 29, 2002, 05:58 AM

Its going to be a great MacWorld.

Beej

Apr 29, 2002, 06:00 AM

Originally posted by iGAV
Some people were predicting these macs, a 17" CRT all in one mac, although we all thought it'd be just called the iMac, or classic iMac, but this is a wonderous move by Apple, a completely new enclosure, with a G4...... this is very good for Apple in the education sector!!Indeed, but I don't think anyone here could honestly say that they were expecting to see a 17" CRT, G4 (e)iMac in a new enclosure any time soon.

jelloshotsrule

Apr 29, 2002, 06:01 AM

Originally posted by Falleron
One thing is true, there is very little range of processing speeds across the product range! 700-1000 (on G4's anyway). There needs to be a larger gap between top and bottom, come on NY.

i agree. let's hope they really widen the gap at mwny. who knows what we'll see.... never ceasing to surprise/amaze us.

TiMacLover

Apr 29, 2002, 06:03 AM

Finally after macrumors posts the new eMac when I told them about it i dont get my name mentioned?!

iGav

Apr 29, 2002, 06:04 AM

MWNY is going to be mental....... :D

the current 700Mhz to 1ghz chip is certainly quite close, although there are the differences with regards to L3 cache and Dual options, but making the eMac a G4 is a master stroke, all they need to do is shift the iBook to G4 and I believe this will happen at MWNY!! It'd be so cool to have Apples range all on the G4, and with regards to users it's an unanswerable boom to have even the low end macs on this chip......

Now what have Apple got up their slinky sleeve with regards to the Powermacs??

All indications point to a stunning MWNY....... heh heh..... :p

It's gonna be bonkers around here!!!:D

iGav

Apr 29, 2002, 06:08 AM

Originally posted by Beej
Indeed, but I don't think anyone here could honestly say that they were expecting to see a 17" CRT, G4 (e)iMac in a new enclosure any time soon.

Completely agree with you... I was one of the doubters, I recall having a discussing as to why Apple wouldn't release such a machine...... retooling, redesigning etc etc.....

I don't think anyone really expected it to happen either, and the fact that its just appeared is even more the impressive.......

Don't just love Apple when they do things like this!!!:D

Nipsy

Apr 29, 2002, 06:10 AM

130% the resolution of the consumer model...is this wise?

Beej

Apr 29, 2002, 06:16 AM

A couple of points:
What? No handle? I'm disappointed!
Made for schools. You'd think they could cover the speakers...
I guess this raises the question about an eBook. PowerMac, PowerBook. iMac, iBook. eMac, ... get my point? So what will we see, G4 iBooks, G3 eBooks? That would give Apple a chance to use their fast G3 chips...

Just some thoughts...

iGav

Apr 29, 2002, 06:22 AM

Originally posted by Beej
A couple of points:
What? No handle? I'm disappointed!
Made for schools. You'd think they could cover the speakers...
I guess this raises the question about an eBook. PowerMac, PowerBook. iMac, iBook. eMac, ... get my point? So what will we see, G4 iBooks, G3 eBooks? That would give Apple a chance to use their fast G3 chips...

Just some thoughts...

No Handles...... makes them harder to steal!!! :p
Lack of speaker covers....... could be a problem... especially as you know what kids are like with pencils......

With regards to the eBook....... I think Apple have proven now!! anything goes... so why not!!! :p I think the iBook is priced pretty competitively though staring under 1k, the same as the eMac, so it might invalidate the need for an eBook......

I just dunno anymore........ :p

coeus

Apr 29, 2002, 07:19 AM

Can I complain now please?

lets look at this comparativly.
the original imac against the bottom of the line emac.
(ill talk in US dollars aswell)

imac:
15" CRT.
600 MHZ G3.
256MB RAM.
40GB HDD
16MB V/card.
CDRW.
$999

< http://store.apple.com/1-800-780-5009/WebObjects/EducationIndividual.woa/34/wo/12nOx02EV7unqLIAi5/5.3.0.3.30.37.1.0.1.3.1.3.1.1.0?72,91 >

emac:
17" CRT.
700 MHZ G4.
128 RAM.
40GB HDD
32MB V/card.
ComboDrive.
$1249

a combodrive plus a new 17" CRT moniter doesnt cost 250 bucks. i know apple hardware cost slightly more than most other computers - but not its components.

plus since when does education get better V/card than consumers? if they are going to do this, they might aswell drop the original imac and sell these things.

Nipsy

Apr 29, 2002, 07:29 AM

Originally posted by coeus
Can I complain now please?
a combodrive plus a new 17" CRT moniter doesnt cost 250 bucks. i know apple hardware cost slightly more than most other computers - but not its components.

plus since when does education get better V/card than consumers? if they are going to do this, they might aswell drop the original imac and sell these things.

I'd be willing to drop $250 on a 700mhz G4, a 17" monitor, and a combo drive, not to mention the video card. Got any to sell?

And if you're a school, not a student, you can get it for $999.

The consumer CRT iMac is on the way out. Apple wants consumers to have all that G4 LCD goodness oozing design points in their homes (they're great to talk about at cocktail parties), but giving an LCD to a first grader right after art class is an invitation to breakage.

iH8Quark

Apr 29, 2002, 07:53 AM

G4 in the eMac, G4 in the iMac.

This most certainly means we will be seeing a G4 in the iBook in MWNY.

Bye Bye G3. :D

Falleron

Apr 29, 2002, 08:20 AM

Not sure about a G4 ibook! Maybe, I just dont know. We know that the 1Ghz G3 is much quicker than the current G3's + it runs cooler.

ftaok

Apr 29, 2002, 09:01 AM

Originally posted by Falleron
Not sure about a G4 ibook! Maybe, I just dont know. We know that the 1Ghz G3 is much quicker than the current G3's + it runs cooler. Seriously, is there any computer using these 1Ghz Sahara G3s? If they were so great, then why doesn't anyone use them? Why wouldn't IBM use them?

Maybe they aren't that great after all.

Falleron

Apr 29, 2002, 09:28 AM

Originally posted by ftaok
Seriously, is there any computer using these 1Ghz Sahara G3s? If they were so great, then why doesn't anyone use them? Why wouldn't IBM use them?

Maybe they aren't that great after all.

I dont think anyone uses them. Isn't this because Apple has first dibs + they cant use them until Motorola get their finger out of their arse (G3's cant have a much higher Mhz than the G4 - pro - v's - consumer and all that)!

ftaok

Apr 29, 2002, 09:36 AM

Originally posted by Falleron

I don't think anyone uses them. Isn't this because Apple has first dibs + they cant use them until Motorola get their finger out of their arse (G3's cant have a much higher Mhz than the G4 - pro - v's - consumer and all that)!
I think that Apple can do whatever they please. I've never heard of an agreement between Apple and Motorola that says they can't use a G3 with a "much" higher clock than a G4. Apple would be stupid to agree to such terms. NOTE - didn't the 600mhz iBook come out when the TiBooks were still at 400 and 500mhz? 20% seems like a lot to me.

Secondly, I don't think that IBM would agree to giving Apple first dibs in a scenario like you paint. Why would IBM hold back chips because Motorola doesn't have chips that are significantly faster (clock)? Doesn't make sense. More reasonably would be that Apple get 1st refusal on these chips and since they've been available for so long, that would mean that Apple would have declined to use them, freeing IBM to sell to whoever or to use them internally.

EDIT - I re-read your message. Dis-regard that first part about Apple's agreement with Motorola regarding clock speeds. But my point about IBM still holds.

Falleron

Apr 29, 2002, 10:45 AM

What I meant was that Apple will not jump to a 1Ghz G3 while their top line powerbook is at 800Mhz. By all accounts the new Sahara is pretty quick compared to the older G3's *(doubled the on chip cache etc). IBM announced that the chips were sampling them quite a while back which means they must be available if apple wanted them.

Overall, the point I was making is that I believe that the ibook will stick with the G3 for time yet. It has plenty of life left in it. I believe apple will put a 700Mhz or a 750Mhz G3 in the next revision of the ibook.

Hemingray

Apr 29, 2002, 11:05 AM

Originally posted by iH8Quark
G4 in the eMac, G4 in the iMac.

This most certainly means we will be seeing a G4 in the iBook in MWNY.

Bye Bye G3. :D

They just updated the PB's. There wouldn't be enough of a gap between the iBook and the PowerBook. I wouldn't expect to see G4 iBooks until late this year/early next year near when the next PowerBook revision comes around...

(Oh wait, they just did that with the PowerMacs, and yet we still have G4's! Hmm, nevermind. :rolleyes: )

OSeXy!

Apr 29, 2002, 12:31 PM

MWNY/SF
14" iBook becomes G4 iBook?
12" iBook becomes G3 Sahara eBook?

rainman::|:|

Apr 29, 2002, 01:27 PM

jebus, i'm gone for a couple of days and look what Apple does...

*eats own foot*

Interesting design and concept... I echo the previous thoughts on price... i think until Apple drops the old CRT iMacs, the only educational depts. that will get these are graphics and journalism, because they want the most units for their bucks, faster processor and bigger screen notwithstanding...

But in time, i think this will be a big hit... certainly odd that Apple did this,when they were so close to being LCD-only... I kinda thought that was their goal...

:)
pnw

Macmaniac

Apr 29, 2002, 02:15 PM

This is going to be one sweet MWNY see ya there! I'm gonna get lots of posters!

jefhatfield

Apr 29, 2002, 05:21 PM

Originally posted by freedom
I want one for Internet & gaming…
eMac, I wonder how long Jobs
has been holding back this one!
Apple´s educational sales will skyrise
with this machine.
What do you think?

seems like a good unit...i will keep my eyes open around campus

sjs

Apr 29, 2002, 06:29 PM

Hey, iGAV, thanks! You're very classy.

BTW, has anyone noticed the dimensions fo the eMac? Its a VERY solid engineering job.

1. Old iMac and eMac are the same depth exactly: 17.1"
2. eMac is just 0.8" higher and wider (15.8 v 15")
That is only about 5%!

Re: Pricing
The upcharge for students is weird...its way too much difference. Almost like Apple really doesn't want to sell them except to the schools.

Homer Simpson

May 2, 2002, 02:41 PM

Originally posted by Falleron
Guess what, there is a new 17" CRT imac!!!! It has a G4 processor!!!

And here's the write up!

http://www.raytracer25.btinternet.co.uk/iToilet/itoilet.html

Tommy!

May 2, 2002, 05:57 PM

Originally posted by Hemingray

They just updated the PB's. There wouldn't be enough of a gap between the iBook and the PowerBook. I wouldn't expect to see G4 iBooks until late this year/early next year near when the next PowerBook revision comes around...

(Oh wait, they just did that with the PowerMacs, and yet we still have G4's! Hmm, nevermind. :rolleyes: )

I could see 500MHz and 600MHz G4 iBooks with 100MHz busses, and no L3 cache in June... For a while the iBooks were at 466 and the G3 powerbooks were at 500+ so I don't think many people will complain that much... once again, those who do not know the difference in the two G4 processors will probably be better suited with the cheaper iBook anyway. They'd feel clever for saving money, too ;)