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Blazer5913
Feb 20, 2008, 12:11 AM
So I just noticed that Handbrake has a new version out that supports 5.1 sound in the mp4 container. So my question to you guys is basically "Is this the missing piece we were looking for in Handbrake?" Can I know begin to rip my SD movies in all their 5.1 glory and retain this for the AppleTV2? I've been waiting for a "finalized" version of Handbrake in terms of 5.1 before I begin the ripping process, but it looks like it is here. I just want a final confirmation from you guys before I start... Thanks

Oh, and I'm also kinda waiting for this "version" in the VisualHub camp as well. I know that they can now support 5.1 audio as well, but in the .mov container. This makes tagging with MetaX extremely challenging. The MetaX ppl emailed me back saying they will be adding .mov support very soon. My question to you guys is should use the .mov container? I thought .mp4 was better and that .mov didn't work on as many devices. The files will mainly be played on AppleTV and computer. But again, I want to wait to encode before I know that this is the "version" and workflow that I want to encode my HD .mkv's and be able to successfully tag them. Thanks guys



bacaramac
Feb 20, 2008, 12:13 AM
Ok, odd, what happened to the original thread. I can't find it, there was a thread already out for this topic and now it is missing.

EDIT: Looks like it was moved under Mac Apps.

Koola
Feb 20, 2008, 04:09 AM
Handbrake is the best app right now for producing iPod, iPhone & :apple:TV compatible MP4 encodes. For instance, you can add AAC (Pro Logic II) + AC3 (5.1) to the same MP4 file in order to maintain compatibility with multiple devices "One rip to rule them all!".

HB is great for DVD source encoding, however VH is better in terms of supporting more formats to encode from. This is perfect for HD .mkv --> .mp4 encoding. The downside is that it creates a .mov container which is why I'm not encoding HD content until as and when HB supports it (not that I have that many discs anyway).

MikieMikie
Feb 20, 2008, 05:59 AM
So I just noticed that Handbrake has a new version out that supports 5.1 sound in the mp4 container. So my question to you guys is basically "Is this the missing piece we were looking for in Handbrake?" Can I know begin to rip my SD movies in all their 5.1 glory and retain this for the AppleTV2? I've been waiting for a "finalized" version of Handbrake in terms of 5.1 before I begin the ripping process, but it looks like it is here. I just want a final confirmation from you guys before I start... Thanks


I used it last night. I think the whole user experience has been improved. Encoding was painless.

Kudos to the HB team.

Blazer, your wait is over.

zedsdead
Feb 20, 2008, 06:23 AM
Handbrake is the best app right now for producing iPod, iPhone & :apple:TV compatible MP4 encodes. For instance, you can add AAC (Pro Logic II) + AC3 (5.1) to the same MP4 file in order to maintain compatibility with multiple devices "One rip to rule them all!".

HB is great for DVD source encoding, however VH is better in terms of supporting more formats to encode from. This is perfect for HD .mkv --> .mp4 encoding. The downside is that it creates a .mov container which is why I'm not encoding HD content until as and when HB supports it (not that I have that many discs anyway).

The HB team has no plans to break Blu-Ray's DRM. However, if someone does it for them, they will likely then add MPEG-4 support to encode with.

Superman07
Feb 20, 2008, 06:28 AM
I know this has been addressed, but I'm somewhat still confused as this is new to me. Is there a chart that covers file type compatability for the Touch, phone, 5G and TV? For example, .mk4 = ATV only. Note, I'm assuming the dual audio encode approach.

I started to play with 0.9.2 last night, but didn't have much time. Otherwise this may make more sense from trial and error.

liketom
Feb 20, 2008, 06:31 AM
what speeds are people getting with the new version ? i've yet to test it :)

Scarpad
Feb 20, 2008, 07:09 AM
Has anyone notice this with their encodes. It's probably my wireless connection but a few time during the movie I'll get some slight stutter where the movies will either slow down slightly or speed up for a few seconds, the return to normal.

Blazer5913
Feb 20, 2008, 02:43 PM
Alright, so for my SD DVD's that do not have HD versions, I am good to go and start encoding them with Handbrake, keeping the 5.1 surround sound?

And as far as my 720p HD .mkv movies, I should probably wait a bit until VisualHub releases a newer version that can support the AC3 5.1 in the mp4 container and stay away from the .mov (due to troubles with MetaX described in other threads). They should be pretty quick to doing this correct? I mean, the Handbrake team basically figured out how to do it, why can't VisualHub??

Cave Man
Feb 20, 2008, 03:29 PM
Has anyone notice this with their encodes. It's probably my wireless connection but a few time during the movie I'll get some slight stutter where the movies will either slow down slightly or speed up for a few seconds, the return to normal.

Yes, I did. "Batman Begins" with the HB ATV preset (2-pass) stutters by streaming, but does not when sync'd (AEBSn). This is why I'm seriously considering the 750 gb HD for my ATV.

Nugget
Feb 20, 2008, 03:34 PM
what speeds are people getting with the new version ? i've yet to test it :)

Ripping for AppleTV preset from the physical media right now on my 3.2 Mac Pro...

Encoding: task 2 of 2, 73.08 % (124.55 fps, avg 116.39, ETA 00h07m48s)

kagharaht
Feb 20, 2008, 03:36 PM
Has anyone notice this with their encodes. It's probably my wireless connection but a few time during the movie I'll get some slight stutter where the movies will either slow down slightly or speed up for a few seconds, the return to normal.

This has not happened to me at all with ATV on my AE Snow "G" with all my encodes with Handbrake. So far all has played flawlessly.

I also would like to note, that upgrading to 10.5.2 has improved wireless networking tremendously with the AE. 10.5 had some issues and Apple has corrected them in 10.5.2.

To test I started to transfer 20GB of files from my MBP 2.1 using File sharing to my iMac G5 2.0 ALS public shared folder. Went downstairs and started to stream a movie encoded with Handbrake. No stutters, no problem and it played without a hitch.

Perhaps updating to 10.5.2 will fix your streaming to ATV issues?

Cave Man
Feb 20, 2008, 03:38 PM
Perhaps updating to 10.5.2 will fix your streaming to ATV issues?

Doesn't work for me. My pre-092 encodes (DPLII) stream fine.

kagharaht
Feb 20, 2008, 03:38 PM
Ripping for AppleTV preset from the physical media right now on my 3.2 Mac Pro...

Encoding: task 2 of 2, 73.08 % (124.55 fps, avg 116.39, ETA 00h07m48s)

You braggart!!! :eek:

I want one of those!!!!

dynaflash
Feb 20, 2008, 03:40 PM
Yes, I did. "Batman Begins" with the HB ATV preset (2-pass) stutters by streaming, but does not when sync'd (AEBSn). This is why I'm seriously considering the 750 gb HD for my ATV.

Maybe its that extra 448 kbps of AC3 DD 5.1 goodness running through your network ;)

Blazer5913
Feb 20, 2008, 03:41 PM
Wow, those speeds are absolutely incredible. Although I have some minor apps running in the background, I'm at Task 2 of 2... 35.69fps, avg. 32.56fps... Seems kind of slow... Oh well. Any answer to my VisualHub question? There's gotta be a new version out soon. Somebody give me some hope haha. Thanks

Cave Man
Feb 20, 2008, 03:51 PM
Maybe its that extra 448 kbps of AC3 DD 5.1 goodness running through your network ;)

I suspect that's it, my friend - and I ain't complain', that's for sure! The video quality sure seems better too, but maybe that's my imagination. If only I can find a silent enclosure for a 750 gig PATA drive...

MikieMikie
Feb 20, 2008, 03:51 PM
Wow, those speeds are absolutely incredible. Although I have some minor apps running in the background, I'm at Task 2 of 2... 35.69fps, avg. 32.56fps... Seems kind of slow... Oh well. Any answer to my VisualHub question? There's gotta be a new version out soon. Somebody give me some hope haha. Thanks

My encode speed with 0.9.2 was noticeably faster than with 0.9.1.

I had no stutter streaming Natural Born Killers (5.1) in the following config:
iMac -> AEBS -> AirDisk -> AEBS -> iMac -> AEBS ethernet -> AppleTV

On VH: Write the developer an email. That seems to do some good.

Blazer5913
Feb 20, 2008, 03:58 PM
Maybe its that extra 448 kbps of AC3 DD 5.1 goodness running through your network ;)

Sorry to sound like an idiot... But what do you mean by extra 448kbps for the 5.1 AC3? Is there anything special other than AppleTV preset (I use 2 pass as well) to get this high quality audio from the source? Sorry, I feel dumb right now...

Cave Man
Feb 20, 2008, 04:01 PM
Sorry to sound like an idiot... But what do you mean by extra 448kbps for the 5.1 AC3? Is there anything special other than AppleTV preset (I use 2 pass as well) to get this high quality audio from the source? Sorry, I feel dumb right now...

Choose the AC3+AAC option to get both Dolby Digital and DPLII audio tracks. The DD is larger, but sounds much better on a DD-capable receiver.

MikieMikie
Feb 20, 2008, 04:11 PM
Sorry to sound like an idiot... But what do you mean by extra 448kbps for the 5.1 AC3? Is there anything special other than AppleTV preset (I use 2 pass as well) to get this high quality audio from the source? Sorry, I feel dumb right now...

I think what he was saying was that the file size and, so, the amount of streaming data increases when you add a completely new, pass-through, audio track.

chris200x9
Feb 20, 2008, 04:17 PM
encoding with x264 on linux with the CLI I see no noticable speed differance (this may not be accurate I just did it a few seconds to test it)

Blazer5913
Feb 20, 2008, 08:17 PM
So how does this sound for my Handbrake settings for great quality SD DVDs:
Select AppleTV preset
I use 2-pass with turbo 1st pass
And then change the CODEC to AVC/H.264 Video/ AAC + AC3 Audio

Anything else I should be worrying about changing to have the best looking SD video possible for my AppleTV. I'm not worried about file size... Thanks guys, this thread has been such a great help for me!

ingenious
Feb 20, 2008, 08:31 PM
Wow, those speeds are absolutely incredible. Although I have some minor apps running in the background, I'm at Task 2 of 2... 35.69fps, avg. 32.56fps... Seems kind of slow... Oh well. An

Slow!?! :eek: I was happy; the 0.9.2 update increased my encoding speed by 50%: I went from an average of 4.0 fps to 6.0 fps! :D

HB is running on my iMac G5 2.0 GHz with 2 GB of RAM and no applications running. In all fairness, it is deinterlacing (Fast) right now, but that's about the speed I get, regardless. Is that normal?

Handbrake is the best app right now for producing iPod, iPhone & TV compatible MP4 encodes. For instance, you can add AAC (Pro Logic II) + AC3 (5.1) to the same MP4 file in order to maintain compatibility with multiple devices "One rip to rule them al

What's the best preset for multiple devices (i.e. iPod and :apple:tv?). Right now I'm using iPod High-Rez, but I noticed HB has an "Insert iPod Atom" option now; does that mean I can use whatever preset I choose and the resulting file will play on my iPod without iTunes have to convert it again?

radpanic
Feb 20, 2008, 08:38 PM
Handbrake is the best app right now for producing iPod, iPhone & :apple:TV compatible MP4 encodes. For instance, you can add AAC (Pro Logic II) + AC3 (5.1) to the same MP4 file in order to maintain compatibility with multiple devices "One rip to rule them all!".

HB is great for DVD source encoding, however VH is better in terms of supporting more formats to encode from. This is perfect for HD .mkv --> .mp4 encoding. The downside is that it creates a .mov container which is why I'm not encoding HD content until as and when HB supports it (not that I have that many discs anyway).

There is not a preset for Apple TV/iPod Touch so how do I get one rip that I can use for both? Will the new Apple TV preset just work on the Touch? I used the previous version of HB to rip my DVD's with the Apple TV preset but those files will not sync to my iPod Touch. Thanks.

Superman07
Feb 20, 2008, 08:48 PM
Your answer should be in this thread:

http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=437954

dynaflash
Feb 20, 2008, 11:38 PM
So how does this sound for my Handbrake settings for great quality SD DVDs:
Select AppleTV preset
I use 2-pass with turbo 1st pass
And then change the CODEC to AVC/H.264 Video/ AAC + AC3 Audio

Anything else I should be worrying about changing to have the best looking SD video possible for my AppleTV. I'm not worried about file size... Thanks guys, this thread has been such a great help for me!

Whoa, okay if you are not getting the AVC/H.264 Video/ AAC + AC3 Audio codec when you click on the appleTV preset in HB, then you need to update your presets (sorry, its not done automagically ... yet) Just go to Presets -> Update Built in Presets and voila, they will all be updated. Now the AppleTV preset will use AVC/H.264 Video/ AAC + AC3 Audio.

There is one other caveat ( this is all on the HandBrake forums, btw) in the preferences, under Advanced you will see "Enable 64 bit mp4 checkbox". Turn that on. The deal is, with the new audio track added in, it is much easier to approach a 4 GB mp4 file. So, unless you want to crash, you need to enable 64 bit mp4 if you have a movie approaching 3 hrs with the atv preset. You will notice a new checkbox now will show in the main window so you can turn it on or off like any other setting. As well it's state will be recorded by any appleTV custom presets you decide to make.

Why was it hidden by the prefs before ? Simple, until the atv2 a 64 bit mp4 really would only play on a computer, no other apple device including the atv1 could play it. So I hid the option to enable it in the prefs, so that people wouldn't accidentally enable it as it was a very niche feature. Plus without the added bitrate of the ac3 dd track in the appletv encodes, even LOTR would still stay under the 4GB limit of a 32 bit mp4.

I know its a bit weird, but we are all adjusting to the new wall banging format and what its implications are. :)

dynaflash
Feb 20, 2008, 11:51 PM
The video quality sure seems better too, but maybe that's my imagination.
Some of it might be the placebo effect, but we did drop in the latest rev of x264 (the h.264 encoder) and it truly doesnt suck ;) Kudos has to go to that project to be sure.

cohibadad
Feb 20, 2008, 11:56 PM
ok dyna, just to clarify. The 64 bit pref option warns about not being able to stream to :apple:TV if this enabled. This won't be a problem with :apple:TV2? and it warns about ipods also?

dynaflash
Feb 21, 2008, 12:09 AM
ok dyna, just to clarify. The 64 bit pref option warns about not being able to stream to :apple:TV if this enabled. This won't be a problem with :apple:TV2? and it warns about ipods also?

Correct. On all accounts. I should have removed the warning since atv2 in fact works fabulous with 64 bit. iPods do not. This happens when we are trying to get something like this out the door asap :)

Realize that you do not *have* to use the 64 bit mp4. But if your movie length * bitrate pushes the file size over 4 GB, it will crash and not work on anything.

Also, to be clear the checkbox in the prefs, just enables a checkbox in the main window, which you can then use to turn the option on/off per encode if you like. Its kind of like a double safety if you will.

... and yes, I will change that in the next release.

roland.g
Feb 21, 2008, 12:57 AM
Has anyone tried using just the AC3 for 5.1 and streaming across N. Since I create separate 480x res 400 bitrate files for my iPod and don't play anything on my iMac I would only need the one audio track, but I would prefer to stream than sync.

Also. What bitrate for the movie. I typically dumb it down to 1500 bitrate at the 720 or 853 anamorphic settings as I find that I can't see a difference to the 2000 or 2500 bitrate, at least on a 46" DLP.

kagharaht
Feb 21, 2008, 02:02 AM
Has anyone tried using just the AC3 for 5.1 and streaming across N. Since I create separate 480x res 400 bitrate files for my iPod and don't play anything on my iMac I would only need the one audio track, but I would prefer to stream than sync.

Also. What bitrate for the movie. I typically dumb it down to 1500 bitrate at the 720 or 853 anamorphic settings as I find that I can't see a difference to the 2000 or 2500 bitrate, at least on a 46" DLP.

You mean using AC3 5.1 and AC3 Passthrough for your audio settings? If so yes. It works perfectly fine streaming. My AEBS is G and it works perfectly fine streaming 2000 - 2500 2 passes depending on the movie.

skrutzen
Feb 21, 2008, 02:08 AM
What does "HTTP Optimized MP4" mean?

jim.arrows
Feb 21, 2008, 09:00 AM
What does "HTTP Optimized MP4" mean?

The resulting file is somehow optimized for streaming, though I don't know what that entails, I just read that somewhere on the handbrake forums.

Does anyone know why when I use the AppleTV preset (AAC + AC3) I don't get 5.1 discrete in the resulting file? I suspect it's because it's an older DVD ("Fight Club") where the "default" (track 1) was DPL and the DD 5.1 was track 2. Anyone else get this? This is on the Windows version, btw (just ordered a 1.83 c2d mini refurb this morning, though! 8).

robrose20
Feb 21, 2008, 10:09 AM
Anyone notice that the new version does not support tiger??????????

Crap ... I really do not want to upgrade to leopard....

Jovian9
Feb 21, 2008, 10:20 AM
Question for those using the new version of HB:

Are the sound-cut-out issues resolved now? Last I used it (late summer) some of the movies I ripped were losing their sound part of the way into them. This seemed to be an issue that wasn't getting addressed at the time on the HB forums. That made them worthless. So I stopped using HB and started using VisualHub.

Curious as I'd like to use HB again.

Thanks!

Diatribe
Feb 21, 2008, 10:25 AM
How well does Handbrake take care of the latest copy protection? Does it really work with all DVDs?

bacaramac
Feb 21, 2008, 10:35 AM
How well does Handbrake take care of the latest copy protection? Does it really work with all DVDs?

I could be wrong, but I think HB is focusing on what it does best and that is encode. I think the copy protection is secondary and I thought I read that they will not be focusing as much on this. I use AnyDVD via bootcamp and then use HB in OSX. Works perfect everytime.

dynaflash
Feb 21, 2008, 10:46 AM
I could be wrong, but I think HB is focusing on what it does best and that is encode. I think the copy protection is secondary and I thought I read that they will not be focusing as much on this. I use AnyDVD via bootcamp and then use HB in OSX. Works perfect everytime.
Well, you are correct. However at the same time, van (the one who really revamped the .eyetv and TS/PS stream reading code) made some huge improvements to the dvd reading code as well. So for instance 0.9.2 will encode Ratatouille perfectly right off the disk. No problem. It *pretty much* works with dreaded 0 size/duration cell dvd's now without a hitch.

However, having said that its true that we are not focusing our efforts on keeping up with any new protection schemes that come up. If HB reads it, then fine, but we certainly do not guarantee HB will encode every dvd. If you use a ripper you like, then prerip first. If you choose to try HandBrake on the dvd as always your mileage may vary.

Diatribe
Feb 21, 2008, 10:56 AM
Well, you are correct. However at the same time, van (the one who really revamped the .eyetv and TS/PS stream reading code) made some huge improvements to the dvd reading code as well. So for instance 0.9.2 will encode Ratatouille perfectly right off the disk. No problem. It *pretty much* works with dreaded 0 size/duration cell dvd's now without a hitch.

However, having said that its true that we are not focusing our efforts on keeping up with any new protection schemes that come up. If HB reads it, then fine, but we certainly do not guarantee HB will encode every dvd. If you use a ripper you like, then prerip first. If you choose to try HandBrake on the dvd as always your mileage may vary.

Great to know, thanks for the info.

I could be wrong, but I think HB is focusing on what it does best and that is encode. I think the copy protection is secondary and I thought I read that they will not be focusing as much on this. I use AnyDVD via bootcamp and then use HB in OSX. Works perfect everytime.

Yeah, I might just do that too if I run into problems. I do have MTR too but lately it's been more of a hassle with registration, waiting, etc. while AnyDVD updates so fast. Just need to install Windows. :eek:

NightStorm
Feb 21, 2008, 11:47 AM
Question for those using the new version of HB:

Are the sound-cut-out issues resolved now? Last I used it (late summer) some of the movies I ripped were losing their sound part of the way into them. This seemed to be an issue that wasn't getting addressed at the time on the HB forums. That made them worthless. So I stopped using HB and started using VisualHub.

Curious as I'd like to use HB again.

Thanks!
As far as I know, these issues have been fixed.

jim.arrows
Feb 21, 2008, 11:58 AM
Well, you are correct. However at the same time, van (the one who really revamped the .eyetv and TS/PS stream reading code) made some huge improvements to the dvd reading code as well. So for instance 0.9.2 will encode Ratatouille perfectly right off the disk. No problem. It *pretty much* works with dreaded 0 size/duration cell dvd's now without a hitch.

However, having said that its true that we are not focusing our efforts on keeping up with any new protection schemes that come up. If HB reads it, then fine, but we certainly do not guarantee HB will encode every dvd. If you use a ripper you like, then prerip first. If you choose to try HandBrake on the dvd as always your mileage may vary.

dynaflash, thanks to you and the rest of the team for letting us share the fruits of your labor. I was just wondering if you could address my question above regarding why I'm not getting 5.1 when using the aTV preset? I looked through the "DVD Info" output and can see that there are 6 audio tracks, the first being identified as "Dolby Surround" and the 2nd is the 5.1 mix. I even tried changing the audio to "AAC" (rather than AAC + AC3) which then allowed me to explicitly select "6 Channel Discrete" but I'm still getting 2 channels after encoding. The ATV is connected to a Denon 3808 via HDMI, if that matters. Again, this is using the Windows version (for the time being), unfortunately I'm at work or I'd post the DVD Info log. Thanks for any insight...

Jim

dynaflash
Feb 21, 2008, 12:09 PM
dynaflash, thanks to you and the rest of the team for letting us share the fruits of your labor. I was just wondering if you could address my question above regarding why I'm not getting 5.1 when using the aTV preset? I looked through the "DVD Info" output and can see that there are 6 audio tracks, the first being identified as "Dolby Surround" and the 2nd is the 5.1 mix. I even tried changing the audio to "AAC" (rather than AAC + AC3) which then allowed me to explicitly select "6 Channel Discrete" but I'm still getting 2 channels after encoding. The ATV is connected to a Denon 3808 via HDMI, if that matters. Again, this is using the Windows version (for the time being), unfortunately I'm at work or I'd post the DVD Info log. Thanks for any insight...

Jim

Okay, we are getting alot of this as its hard to verify for some if there setup is right.

On the ATV2 AAC six channel discrete will NOT get you the dolby 5.1 you want. The atv mixes it out to a weak dpl 3.0.

So, the assuming you have done an encode using HandBrakes AppleTV preset in 0.9.2 (after you've updated your built in presets, mind you). If you are still not getting DD 5.1 from your receiver, A simple way to see if its the HandBrake output or your setup, simply reboot the atv and watch if the DD 5.1 indicator lights up on your reciever when that intro movie plays. that movie is exactly the same setup as the HB AppleTV preset uses.

If it doesnt light up when that startup movie plays, you have a issue with your setup.

jim.arrows
Feb 21, 2008, 12:22 PM
If it doesnt light up when that startup movie plays, you have a issue with your setup.

Excellent test, I'll do that when I get home; on my first attempt at encoding (ever, I've never used HB before) I didn't change anything from the ATV preset, but I did know from reading here about updating the presets, which I did. Anyway, thanks for the test tip, I'll post results tonight; much appreciated!

Jim

jim.arrows
Feb 21, 2008, 07:53 PM
Excellent test, I'll do that when I get home; on my first attempt at encoding (ever, I've never used HB before) I didn't change anything from the ATV preset, but I did know from reading here about updating the presets, which I did. Anyway, thanks for the test tip, I'll post results tonight; much appreciated!

Jim

Rebooted the ATV & got 5.1 during the opening sequence, so everything's good with the setup. I'm going to try a different DVD and see if that makes a difference; just to confirm, I should only have to use the AppleTV preset and the 5.1 track should be included automatically, correct?

Cave Man
Feb 21, 2008, 08:07 PM
That should do it, but check under the Audio and Subtitles tab to make sure it's using the 5.1 audio.

jim.arrows
Feb 21, 2008, 08:35 PM
That should do it, but check under the Audio and Subtitles tab to make sure it's using the 5.1 audio.


Under Audio & Subtitles it says "Automatic" for Track 1 when I use the ATV preset and "None" for Track 2. "Track 1 Mix" is greyed out but also says "Automatic." Here's the DVD Info, as I mentioned before the 5.1 is track 2:

[20:54:47] hb_init: checking cpu count
[20:54:47] hb_init: starting libhb thread
[20:54:47] thread ed2140 started ("libhb")
HandBrake 0.9.2 (2008021900) - http://handbrake.m0k.org/
1 CPU detected
Opening E:\DVD\Fight Club\FIGHTCLB\VIDEO_TS...
[20:54:47] hb_scan: path=E:\DVD\Fight Club\FIGHTCLB\VIDEO_TS, title_index=0
[20:54:47] scan: trying to open with libdvdread
[20:54:47] thread ed22b0 started ("scan")
[20:54:47] scan: DVD has 6 title(s)
[20:54:47] scan: scanning title 1
[20:54:47] scan: opening IFO for VTS 2
[20:54:47] pgc_id: 1, pgn: 1: pgc: 0xed6608
[20:54:47] scan: vts=2, ttn=1, cells=0->58, blocks=0->3873143, 3873144 blocks
[20:54:47] scan: duration is 02:19:02 (8342143 ms)
[20:54:47] scan: checking audio 1
[20:54:47] scan: id=80bd, lang=English (AC3), 3cc=eng
[20:54:47] scan: checking audio 2
[20:54:47] scan: id=81bd, lang=English (AC3), 3cc=eng
[20:54:47] scan: checking audio 3
[20:54:47] scan: id=82bd, lang=Francais (AC3), 3cc=fra
[20:54:47] scan: checking audio 4
[20:54:47] scan: id=83bd, lang=English (AC3), 3cc=eng
[20:54:47] scan: checking audio 5
[20:54:47] scan: id=84bd, lang=English (AC3), 3cc=eng
[20:54:47] scan: checking audio 6
[20:54:47] scan: id=85bd, lang=English (AC3), 3cc=eng
[20:54:47] scan: checking audio 7
[20:54:47] scan: id=86bd, lang=English (AC3), 3cc=eng
[20:54:47] scan: checking subtitle 1
[20:54:47] scan: id=22bd, lang=English, 3cc=eng
[20:54:47] scan: checking subtitle 2
[20:54:47] scan: id=23bd, lang=Espanol, 3cc=spa
[20:54:47] scan: title 1 has 37 chapters
[20:54:47] scan: chap 1 c=0->2, b=0->54326 (54327), 126779 ms
[20:54:47] scan: chap 2 c=3->4, b=54327->100260 (45934), 105589 ms
[20:54:47] scan: chap 3 c=5->5, b=100261->124067 (23807), 51134 ms
[20:54:47] scan: chap 4 c=6->6, b=124068->169678 (45611), 95390 ms
[20:54:47] scan: chap 5 c=7->8, b=169679->281567 (111889), 239768 ms
[20:54:47] scan: chap 6 c=9->9, b=281568->315646 (34079), 72305 ms
[20:54:47] scan: chap 7 c=10->11, b=315647->529479 (213833), 458549 ms
[20:54:47] scan: chap 8 c=12->12, b=529480->595686 (66207), 147507 ms
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[20:54:47] pgc_id: 1, pgn: 1: pgc: 0xed7010
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[20:54:47] scan: id=80bd, lang=English (AC3), 3cc=eng
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[20:54:47] scan: AC3, rate=48000Hz, bitrate=448000
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[20:54:47] scan: preview 6
[20:54:47] Title's mostly progressive NTSC, setting fps to 23.976
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[20:54:47] scan: preview 8
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[20:54:47] scan: decoding previews for title 6
[20:54:47] scan: preview 1
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[20:54:47] scan: AC3, rate=48000Hz, bitrate=448000
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[20:54:48] scan: 720x480, 29.970 fps, autocrop = 46/44/56/56
[20:54:48] scan: title (0) job->width:720, job->height:304
[20:54:48] scan: title (1) job->width:608, job->height:336
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+ chapters:
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jim.arrows
Feb 21, 2008, 08:42 PM
Under Audio & Subtitles it says "Automatic" for Track 1 when I use the ATV preset and "None" for Track 2. "Track 1 Mix" is greyed out but also says "Automatic." Here's the DVD Info, as I mentioned before the 5.1 is track 2:

Success!! Just had to manually change Track 1 from "Automatic" and just inserted a "2" and that did the trick... I guess it doesn't "Automatic"ally detect the 5.1, seems to just default to whatever is the first audio track. Thanks for the help, hopefully this may help another newbie like myself...

Nimiety
Feb 21, 2008, 08:54 PM
I always suggest manually selecting the audio track. Nothing like spending an hour or two encoding a movie and then pulling it up to hear french, or spanish when you were expecting english (Monsters, Inc is a good example of that).

Dyna - great job - pass on the thanks to the whole crew. A few minor bugs, but it does an excellent job of providing great quality encodes with fantastic sound. :)

jim.arrows
Feb 21, 2008, 09:04 PM
I always suggest manually selecting the audio track. Nothing like spending an hour or two encoding a movie and then pulling it up to hear french, or spanish when you were expecting english (Monsters, Inc is a good example of that).

Dyna - great job - pass on the thanks to the whole crew. A few minor bugs, but it does an excellent job of providing great quality encodes with fantastic sound. :)


Yep, total newbie so I had no idea; I wonder how difficult it would be for them to list the available tracks in a drop-down box under the "Automatic" default for Track 1? i.e. put the same info that appears in the "DVD Info" output in the drop-down box so you could select it... would be a lot more intuitive then figuring out to type a "2" in place of the "Automatic" IMO. Regardless, it's working for me now so I'm just thankful for all their hard work and that they allow us to share in it...

dynaflash
Feb 21, 2008, 10:16 PM
Ah, jim.arrows when I saw the "automatic" thing i realized you are using the wingui. Frankly I have never even used it before. The macgui always shows you what your tracks are right at the start. Its harder for the wingui since its actually a CLI wrapper. Anyway, enough of my rambling, glad you got it sorted out.

... and yes, good tip. always make sure you select the AC3 5.1 source if its available and not selected. If only AC 2.0 is available on your source thats all that it can pass thru.

Podgy
Feb 22, 2008, 12:04 AM
Hello all. Got the latest Handbrake and was hoping someone can
tell me which settings I need to get a DVD encoded with 5.1 to use with an Xbox 360. Tried various settings with no success....elp!

roland.g
Feb 22, 2008, 12:55 AM
My Handbrake 0.9.2 settings are to start with the Apple TV preset. Then I change the codec so the 3rd slash is AC3 only. I didn't opt for the AAC + AC3 option b/c I only plan on watching these on my Apple TV with Digital Dolby out optical to my receiver which picks it up. Any iPhone rips will be done at a much lower bitrate and a 480x resolution to limit size to ~ 500 MB. I also selected 2 pass encoding with turbo first pass for best results. Lastly, I change the bitrate from 2500 to 1500 to drop my file size. Still getting the same 853x resolution, I can't see any difference in the image watching so far The Matrix or Fellowship of the Ring on my Samsung DLP 46" on a streaming connection. I figure the extra file size of the 2500 bitrate really isn't necessary.

jbellanca
Feb 22, 2008, 05:41 AM
dynaflash- First, thanks so much for what is one of the most useful Mac programs ever! I have a question for you - are there any plans to allow HB to encode other files besides just DVDs, like VisualHub does? I'd love to switch to using HB entirely since its so great, but still have to use VH on those one-off MKVs, mpegs, Bly-ray and other HD sources. Thanks and keep up the great work!

dynaflash
Feb 22, 2008, 07:10 AM
are there any plans to allow HB to encode other files besides just DVDs Well "plans" may be too strong of a word. But as soon as a dev has the time you never know. Realize that already in 0.9.2 there is very robust Program and Transport stream suppport which is nice for encoding .eyeTV files for use on your appleTV. In fact, the MacGui will open them natively without having to export them with the eyetv software. For now the main focus will always be DVD like sources and HD streams, vobs, etc.

cohibadad
Feb 22, 2008, 11:55 AM
ok we have AC3, now I want DTS. Never satisfied :o

ghettochris
Feb 22, 2008, 03:34 PM
0.9.2 will encode Ratatouille perfectly right off the disk. No problem. It *pretty much* works with dreaded 0 size/duration cell dvd's now without a hitch.

nice. because of that movie i almost was considering going through the "gift" (don't call it a donation!) swiss francs, must email from embedded mail app MTR, it was starting to feel like a nigerian scam.

if it works with shoot em up as well you made my day.

jbellanca
Feb 22, 2008, 07:12 PM
Realize that already in 0.9.2 there is very robust Program and Transport stream suppport which is nice for encoding .eyeTV files for use on your appleTV...clip...For now the main focus will always be DVD like sources and HD streams, vobs, etc.

Wait, hang on, backup...so...are you saying that I can use HB to convert HD .TS files? :eek:

Hmmm... I just tried loading up a .TS file I had that's a 5.34GB Stargate episode. HB seems to attempt to load it in, it starts scanning it, but then says "No valid source found." So I guess not... Am I missing something... does HB really do HDTV sources right now (Other than .eyeTV ones)?

dynaflash
Feb 22, 2008, 10:28 PM
Wait, hang on, backup...so...are you saying that I can use HB to convert HD .TS files? :eek:

Hmmm... I just tried loading up a .TS file I had that's a 5.34GB Stargate episode. HB seems to attempt to load it in, it starts scanning it, but then says "No valid source found." So I guess not... Am I missing something... does HB really do HDTV sources right now (Other than .eyeTV ones)?

Yep. it has come along way since 0.9.1. We have several devs and testers that us it for program streams all of the time, ts streams as well. I personally have never used it for a ts stream but I know some have. I use it all of the time for Program Streams from my eyetv hybrid. Nice to have that HD source running through HB to be sure. Couldnt really say why its not reading your properly. Feel free to post in the HB - Mac forum and paste in your log . I will look for it. Maybe try just for kicks opening it up in mpegstreamclip and then export it as a program stream just to see if HB can read it if you want.

jim.arrows
Feb 22, 2008, 11:29 PM
Ah, jim.arrows when I saw the "automatic" thing i realized you are using the wingui. Frankly I have never even used it before. The macgui always shows you what your tracks are right at the start. Its harder for the wingui since its actually a CLI wrapper. Anyway, enough of my rambling, glad you got it sorted out.

... and yes, good tip. always make sure you select the AC3 5.1 source if its available and not selected. If only AC 2.0 is available on your source thats all that it can pass thru.

I just used the OSX version on my new Mini, now I see why you must have thought I was a complete idiot when you thought I was using your GUI -- it couldn't be clearer with the drop-down box, and was exactly what I was suggesting for the Windows version... although now I don't care, since I get to use your version! Excellent work, kudos!!

dynaflash
Feb 23, 2008, 12:01 AM
Great. If you havent read and done this though, do it right away. It was a complete mess up on my part at the last minute before release http://forum.handbrake.fr/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=4868 . Have fun.