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Gunga Din
Feb 26, 2008, 12:46 PM
Ok, I was all set to get a MBP, but after thinking about it, maybe i'll do ok with just the Macbook.

I want to do some animation (iMotion), make some home videos, webpage editing etc. Will the Macbook be powerful enough to do that? I just got a new Dell for my gaming (see sig) so I dont need to game on my notebook at all. Will the Macbook be able to take full advantage of Leopard and the iStuff?

With me EDU discount this is the difference.

Black Macbook ($1582)
Base MPB ($2128)

Is it worth the $546.00 for:
13" to 15"(LED)
250GB HD to 200GB 7.2k HD
Integrated graphics to 8600mGT (256Mb)
Multitouch (forgot)
***This will be my first Mac and notebook, so i'm unsure of the purchase.



TeflonDon
Feb 26, 2008, 04:14 PM
I'm in the same boat. I've been on the site waiting for the Penryn update to buy a base MBP. I intend to use it for class and use photoshop, illustrator, indesign, toon boom studio and dreamweaver on it. I don't know if I can justify going from the mid level MB to the base MBP. Does the video card make a huge difference? Thats probably my biggest concern.

GCY
Feb 26, 2008, 04:20 PM
If ur doing anything other then heavy graphic work or editing(Final Cut pro), the MB should be fine. The MBP is aimed at consumers who does heavy graphic, editing, or gaming.

bluedoggiant
Feb 26, 2008, 04:42 PM
Ok, I was all set to get a MBP, but after thinking about it, maybe i'll do ok with just the Macbook.

I want to do some animation (iMotion), make some home videos, webpage editing etc. Will the Macbook be powerful enough to do that? I just got a new Dell for my gaming (see sig) so I dont need to game on my notebook at all. Will the Macbook be able to take full advantage of Leopard and the iStuff?

With me EDU discount this is the difference.

Black Macbook ($1582)
Base MPB ($2128)

Is it worth the $546.00 for:
13" to 15"(LED)
250GB HD to 200GB 7.2k HD
Integrated graphics to 8600mGT (256Mb)
Multitouch (forgot)
***This will be my first Mac and notebook, so i'm unsure of the purchase.

MBP

I had trouble comprehending it at first, then i realized. :p

nfg315
Feb 26, 2008, 04:47 PM
Same exact thing for me...i think im going with a blackbook

unless your job is to process really hi-res images, it shouldnt be a huge problem...if you ever need to do that, your school or company should have a machine available to use

plus with the extra money you can get a cinema display, which is more essential than the card IMO

mechler
Feb 26, 2008, 06:41 PM
Yep, that blackbook is pretty tempting. The LED screen does look nice on the MBPs, though. Having a backlit keyboard might be nice, too, but it seems that people like the quality of the MB keyboard better. I'm going to run Windows XP with VMware Fusion, so the dedicated graphics card might help with that?? I know it would definitely help when I re-encode DVDs and make home movies.

This whole thing is making me look at iMacs again. I love the portability of a laptop, but my ipod touch takes care of most of that. With an iMac, you get the power of a MBP for the price of a MB.

Who knows...I thought the MBP update was supposed to make my decision easier!

YELLOWSOUL
Feb 26, 2008, 06:44 PM
I got a Macbook instead of Macbook Pro I think it is a good idea 2, because your getting 2MB cache standard and you can upgrade to 4GB if you do more heavier work...:rolleyes:

CommodityFetish
Feb 26, 2008, 06:58 PM
I was thinking about this too, and made a spreadsheet comparing the various options. Especially looking at whether the refurb sales were worth it. It includes 4 GB ram upgrade option.

It's tab-delimited text file here. Maybe it will be helpful for some...

:D

For me, I decided that the refurbs were not that much of a difference (except for the MBP). I may wait and go with the low-end MB but with 4GB ram upgrade. Or, may spring for the MBP... we'll see.

AlexanderTgreat
Feb 26, 2008, 06:59 PM
Ok, I was all set to get a MBP, but after thinking about it, maybe i'll do ok with just the Macbook.

I want to do some animation (iMotion), make some home videos, webpage editing etc. Will the Macbook be powerful enough to do that? I just got a new Dell for my gaming (see sig) so I dont need to game on my notebook at all. Will the Macbook be able to take full advantage of Leopard and the iStuff?

With me EDU discount this is the difference.

Black Macbook ($1582)
Base MPB ($2128)

Is it worth the $546.00 for:
13" to 15"(LED)
250GB HD to 200GB 7.2k HD
Integrated graphics to 8600mGT (256Mb)
Multitouch (forgot)
***This will be my first Mac and notebook, so i'm unsure of the purchase.

You forgot the most important thing with the pro you won't have the crack prone casing

nl2134
Feb 26, 2008, 07:40 PM
I was set on a MBP for the past few months.

I'm going to get the Blackbook now...no discussion.

I have a iBook G4, and I love it, but it's time to move on. Life wouldn't have been much different with a PowerBook G4 for me, so the differences between a Blackbook and a MBP can't be that much.

crazyskillz07
Feb 26, 2008, 07:46 PM
Also with the money you save on the macbook you can buy a nice external display for it. I am going to buy a NEC 2490UXi-SV before I go to school.

EmbeddedTim
Feb 26, 2008, 08:09 PM
Hello everybody!

Long time lurch, first time poster.
Well - the wait is over and its time to buy. Time to hand off my iBookG4 to my fiance and buy a new computer. I will miss my trusty old companion but I am elated that it will remain close (I hope jealousy does not ensue).

I too am dealing with this quandary. To buy the 15' MBP or the midrange MB - ah, what a question it is!

It's such a large price difference for the exact same processor, FSB, and memory. I see no speed advantage (without regards to graphics - not a big deal for me) favoring the MBP over the MB.

I am not aged yet, however I do feel that I would enjoy a tad larger screen than the 13.3 offered in the MB lineup. Any thoughts on if the 15.4in screen AND LED backlighting (again, for me graphics card is not important) really accounts for such a drastic difference?

The 40GB of HDD extra on the MBP also seems insignificant - external HDD space is so cheap now-a-days.

I would have liked to post this in the MBP forum, but I think I'd get pig-piled worse than 1986's "Lucas". Any MBP owners care to share why they opted for the base MBP over the midrange MB offering?

Thanks - and hello again!

Chitoneus
Feb 26, 2008, 08:32 PM
Sigh... I'm facing the same dilemma. I was ready to buy a baseline MacBook Pro this morning, but it appears to be pretty much the same machine as the cheaper yet sexy BlackBook, apart from the GPU.

The most intensive thing I expect to do on my notebook is edit RAW photos using CS3. I've asked and lurked around in forums, and people pretty consistently say that the lack of a dedicated graphics card will not affect it.

So them I an left to ponder things like:
- Should I go with the matte screen, which seems to be the preference for photo editing and graphics design?
- Is LED backlighting going to make a noticeable difference with anything I do?
- I think the multi-touch track-pad is kinda neat.
- I like the keyboard on the MacBook.

Like Mechler said, I thought the MBP update was supposed to make this decision easier. :mad:

Cybergypsy
Feb 26, 2008, 08:34 PM
I had both and think the macbook is a better product for my uses........liked it much better then my new MBP

EmbeddedTim
Feb 26, 2008, 08:36 PM
I had both and think the macbook is a better product for my uses........liked it much better then my new MBP

Anything specific in regards to your preference of MB over MBP? Any reason why your currently using a MBP?

Thanks!

ziwi
Feb 26, 2008, 08:38 PM
Refurb MBP vs the new macbook is another possible scenario - getting in a MBP at 1449 is looking real good.

nfg315
Feb 26, 2008, 08:38 PM
Sigh... I'm facing the same dilemma. I was ready to buy a baseline MacBook Pro this morning, but it appears to be pretty much the same machine as the cheaper yet sexy BlackBook, apart from the GPU.

The most intensive thing I expect to do on my notebook is edit RAW photos using CS3. I've asked and lurked around in forums, and people pretty consistently say that the lack of a dedicated graphics card will not affect it.

So them I an left to ponder things like:
- Should I go with the matte screen, which seems to be the preference for photo editing and graphics design?
- Is LED backlighting going to make a noticeable difference with anything I do?
- I think the multi-touch track-pad is kinda neat.
- I like the keyboard on the MacBook.

Like Mechler said, I thought the MBP update was supposed to make this decision easier. :mad:

- matte is not an option on the macbook, but is typically preferred for design work
- if you are serious enough about graphics work that LED backlighting is a decision factor, you should really not be working on a notebook screen and just get a cinema display
- agreed, wish they put in the mb
- again agreed

Victor ch
Feb 26, 2008, 08:41 PM
Hello everybody!

(...)I am not aged yet, however I do feel that I would enjoy a tad larger screen than the 13.3 offered in the MB lineup. Any thoughts on if the 15.4in screen AND LED backlighting (again, for me graphics card is not important) really accounts for such a drastic difference? (...)
Thanks - and hello again!

First of all, welcome to MacRumors!

Second, its always good to have a bigger screen, I hook my MB to a 22-incher and every morning at school when Im using the native display I found it to be so tiny ejeje Also you might want to think in the future, a good GPU will ensure you that your computer can handle future tasks that will probably be GPU intensive, and hey a good game every now and then is nice on a computer :D If you really can afford it then go for it, you will get a 'snappier' (RAM) machine and a nicer screen MBP for the win. I really had no choice, my dad said "1500$ or less" and here I am 99% happy with my BlackBook (the 1% is the GPU and speakers) but if he said pick one... I'll be typing on a 17" incher hehe Remember that the MB has no backlit keyboard (although physically is nicer) and you loose Multi-Touch. In the end it will all make sense.

Victor

markrivers
Feb 26, 2008, 08:48 PM
Refurb MBP vs the new macbook is another possible scenario - getting in a MBP at 1449 is looking real good.

i actually chose this path!
i think this is a good deal

EmbeddedTim
Feb 26, 2008, 09:02 PM
i actually chose this path!
i think this is a good deal

I'm actually not too worried about money (and would prefer to go 'new').

I am interested in the 45nm die and SSE4 which is another reason I'm not planning on going refurb.

Again- looking for user input from people that have owned both and can say which 'book they've found to be 'better' and would recommend.

AlexanderTgreat
Feb 26, 2008, 09:06 PM
First of all, welcome to MacRumors!

Second, its always good to have a bigger screen, I hook my MB to a 22-incher and every morning at school when Im using the native display I found it to be so tiny ejeje Also you might want to think in the future, a good GPU will ensure you that your computer can handle future tasks that will probably be GPU intensive, and hey a good game every now and then is nice on a computer :D If you really can afford it then go for it, you will get a 'snappier' (RAM) machine and a nicer screen. I really had no choice, my dad said "1500$ or less" and here I am 99% happy with my BlackBook (the 1% is the GPU and speakers) but if he said pick one... I'll be typing on a 17" incher hehe Remember that the MB has no backlit keyboard (although physically is nicer) and you loose Multi-Touch. In the end it will all make sense.

Victor

I can't believe what i'm hearing here. The macbook pro is 100x's the quality of the macbook. After two years a macbook is going to be looking droopy eared if it's working at all vs a pro that will likely be in perfect working condition if it's been looked after. The difference is cost is clearly seen in build quality.

Victor ch
Feb 26, 2008, 09:17 PM
I can't believe what i'm hearing here. The macbook pro is 100x's the quality of the macbook. After two years a macbook is going to be looking droopy eared if it's working at all vs a pro that will likely be in perfect working condition if it's been looked after. The difference is cost is clearly seen in build quality.

Huh?? In what can't you believe you heard? I did told him to go for the MBP that in the long run it would be better. Your partially right in the build quality, never the less I did not mention anything about that in my post... you're high on mescaline bro :p

Victor

EmbeddedTim
Feb 26, 2008, 09:18 PM
I can't believe what i'm hearing here. The macbook pro is 100x's the quality of the macbook. After two years a macbook is going to be looking droopy eared if it's working at all vs a pro that will likely be in perfect working condition if it's been looked after. The difference is cost is clearly seen in build quality.

Build quality is one thing I have not considered.

List of the things I could care less about:
Graphics card (Xcode/safari/mail doesn't really require anything spiffy)
Multi-touch (I plug a mouse in)
+40GB more HDD
Extra I/O that MBP provides over MB
keyboard type

List of things I do care about:
15.4in screen
LED backlight (don't know enough about it to be highly concerned)
Build quality/sustainability

Can anyone attest to the difference in build quality?

From my lists, I'm sure you can tell that I'm looking for a strong CPU/MEM combination found in a portable.

AlexanderTgreat
Feb 26, 2008, 09:30 PM
Huh?? In what can't you believe you heard? I did told him to go for the MBP that in the long run it would be better. Your partially right in the build quality, never the less I did not mention anything about that in my post... you're high on mescaline bro :p

Victor

Sorry, you weren't the person I meant to quote there.

mechler
Feb 26, 2008, 10:05 PM
Tim,

Regarding the LED screen - I went to look at a Macbook a few weeks ago and I was completely distracted by the bright and vivid (matte!) screen on the 15in MBP. It looked great - enough so that I started thinking about paying the premium for the MBP. Besides being brighter, the LED screens are also lighter and more efficient than the standard screens.

Another big draw for me is that the 15in MBP is only like half a pound heavier than the 13in MB. That's a negligible weight difference, in my opinion.

On the other hand, the MBP screen only tilts back like 110 degrees (closed being 0 degrees). Unless that changed today (I doubt it), that's a big nuisance and a lot of people have complained about it.

As far as build quality, I've seen a lot of complaints about how easily the aluminum dents on the MBPs. But I guess that would be better than a cracking MB case (although, that problem may have been fixed). I've also heard that the aluminum cases can interfere with wireless reception. Don't know if it's true or not, but I am curious.

If money isn't a big issue, I'd say go for the MBP. It's better to have more machine than you need versus the other way around. Plus, besides the screen tilt thing and cost, I don't think there's a downside of having a MBP vs. a MB. In fact, I think I saw today that the battery life is better on the 15in MBPs.

m85476585
Feb 26, 2008, 10:21 PM
I compared the specs of the high-end white MB and the low-end MBP, and here is a detailed list of the differences along with my comments:

MB advantages:

Save $656 (comparing education discounted prices, $700 savings at retail price)
More portable
.4lbs lighter
Hard drive designed to be user-replaceable


MB disadvantages:

Smaller screen: I can buy a 20" LCD from Dell with the money I would save and have $278 of "savings" left--enough to put a new 3GHz C2D in my desktop (an otherwise up-to-date system with an outdated 3GHz P4), which I could use with my new 20" LCD.
Integrated graphics: I plan to upgrade to 4GB RAM, and I'm not a gamer.
Smaller hard drive: I plan to upgrade to a 200GB 7200 RPM drive and install it myself whether I get the MB or MBP (although it is only $100 as a BTO now instead of $275).
No expresscard slot: The only thing I ever used the PCMCIA slot for on my old laptop was wireless.
No Firewire 800: I hardly even use FW400.
2mm thicker: makes up for it with reduced overall size and weight.
1/2 hour less battery: A bit inconvenient.
No multi-touch: I honestly don't care.
No backlit keyboard: How often do I use a laptop in the dark?
Bluetooth 2.0 instead of 2.1: This might be a problem. How will I live without Extended inquiry response and Sniff subrating?!
Glossy screen: 1000 grit sandpaper should take the shine off it! (Don't actually try this!).
Need adapters to use mini-DVI port: Inconvenient.
No LED display: Not a big deal.


For me the only significant downsides to the MB are the smaller screen, possibly the integrated graphics, and possibly the lack of expandability (FW800 and expresscard). A MBP would be nice, but I don't know if it's worth the extra $650. I don't need the computer until early August, so I'm probably going to wait for the rumored updates this summer.

EmbeddedTim
Feb 26, 2008, 10:38 PM
Matt,

Sounds like we're in the same boat. It would have been an easy decision even if there was a slight processor difference between the midrange MB and the base MBP. The two computers are so close in raw processor specs that its very difficult to differentiate.

I'm really looking now at how much of a space (resolution) difference the 15.4in screen makes and how much different the LED makes the screen appear. Also, how well the computer is constructed...

mleibowi
Feb 26, 2008, 10:39 PM
I'm in the same boat as Matt. I don't have to buy until August. I'm contemplating MBP vs MB. I not a gamer, nor do need a graphic intense laptop. However, a major disadvantage with the MB vs MBP is the screen resolution. The images on the screen aren't as sharp as the MBP or my current Dell PC. Anybody else noticed this? Should I wait to buy?

m85476585
Feb 26, 2008, 11:29 PM
I've been using a 17" CRT running at 1024x768 for years, so 1280x800 will be an upgrade. It should be significantly sharper too--my CRT is about 82dpi, and the MB LCD is about 114dpi. For comparison, a 15" MBP LCD is about 112, the 17" standard is about 117, and the 17" high-res is about 133dpi, but I couldn't find the exact screen dimensions and I'm too lazy to do the math. (These numbers are based on number of pixels divided by the screen dimension. For example, for my CRT I divide 1024px by 12.5" wide)

My CRT will run at 1028x1024, but since it's old fashioned analog technology, it gets fuzzy.

durant0s
Feb 27, 2008, 12:33 AM
I'm doing what you guys/gals did. I already have an up-to-date PC for all my gaming purposes so there really is no justification for me to buy a MBP. I'm just getting the new blackbook and I'm gonna put 4 gigs of RAM in there. I really don't think the integrated graphics card is that big of a deal. Plus I'm just going to be surfing the net while traveling and doing minor word processing stuff on campus.

nomad01
Feb 27, 2008, 06:19 AM
You forgot the most important thing with the pro you won't have the crack prone casing

No, you'll get the soft metal case that's prone to denting and bending. :rolleyes: ;)

Seriously it's horses for courses. I've had 2 powerbooks and 1 MBP and just now order my second black macbook. I like the aluminium casing but as far as durability, I'd go with the Macbook. Had no issues with my blackbook cracking and it just feels so much sturdier for tossing in a bag.

EmbeddedTim
Feb 27, 2008, 10:17 AM
Any other MBP AND MB owners care to comment?

I'm getting closer to buying the MBP but most of the commentators here have actually seemed to prefer the durability of the MB.

thanks

Full of Win
Feb 27, 2008, 11:48 AM
...just dropped the hammer on the 2.4 GHz base 1 hour ago. The 700$ difference was just too high for me.

I was going to get the MBP, but when Apple made the 6 MB L2 contigent on getting the 500$ upgrade, it deflated me on the idea.

ampauxq
Feb 27, 2008, 12:12 PM
Ive been having the same dilemma since November. The only thing keeping me off the Macbooks are those (in my opinion) horribly reflective and dull displays. The colors change depending at what angle you look at it, and it never seems to be gradient free. For any kind of graphic work this is just not acceptable, it even distracts me when Im trying to watch a movie. It'll have to be a MBP for me.

Paix247
Feb 27, 2008, 02:25 PM
My 2 cents...

My first Mac ever was the first 12" PB, then the 1.33 12", then the first MBP, then I sold it for an iPhone and MB, now with the new Penryns, I'm back on a MBP.

The MacBook Pro is a higher quality machine in every way. I just love this keyboard, and I'm happy to have it back. The machine weighs nearly the same as the MB, but has a huge beautiful screen. The LED backlighting is AMAZING. I haven't seen anyone mention it, but the MBP's speakers are considerably louder and clearer than the MB. The Edu discount on the Pro made it a no brainer for me. Go with the pro if you have the extra cash!

Also, the MBP
-Doesnt easily scratch
-Can play any game (you never know when you may want to)
-Backlight keyboard is great at times
-MULTITOUCH! I've been able to show it off a few times already. Talk about impressing PC users :)

The only thing I like about the MB is, it comes in BLACK. I wish my MBP was black...

drew0020
Feb 27, 2008, 02:34 PM
Great thread. I just about had my mind made up to replace my Air with a MB, but I do like the multi-touch and the backlit keyboard. I just wish one had a case re-design. Would have made it much easier decision for me.

EmbeddedTim
Feb 27, 2008, 02:53 PM
My 2 cents...


Excellent - I love input from people that have owned both.

So, do you find that that 2 extra diagonal inches on the screen is a significant plus? I'm not concerned with graphics or extra HDD and which keyboard type seems irrelevant to me.

I'm focusing on how much of a quality difference there truly is between the MB and the MBP and how much the screen real-estate effects both computers.

michaelsviews
Feb 27, 2008, 03:08 PM
Excellent - I love input from people that have owned both.

So, do you find that that 2 extra diagonal inches on the screen is a significant plus? I'm not concerned with graphics or extra HDD and which keyboard type seems irrelevant to me.

I'm focusing on how much of a quality difference there truly is between the MB and the MBP and how much the screen real-estate effects both computers.

Guys

Had a MBP 2.16 sold/traded it to a guy in CA for school work, he needed a MBP but the dollars were too much , I took a tiny loss, but at least I have the brand new Macbook that was sealed and shipped from him in CA and I maxed the memory. So far this is my opinion and experience.

Screen size does make a difference to people, and too me I am adjusting, the other thing is the dedicated graphics card GPU what ever you call it. For all you gamers and YOUTUBE video watching people the fans will kick on with in minutes, if that does NOT bother you than fine. After a while it can be nerve racking. I just got this macbook last weekend and I was told by the apple store when it was sealed I could trade up. Probably could still pay restocking fee and go back to the MBP but for me and the programs I use and what I use the computer for , right now is not the time. Also as my son said it seems to he and his college buddies that INTEL is calling the shots with Apple. I am going to talk to apple and see what can be done but if I have to pay restocking fee and an upgrade than I am holding on too this macbook and giving it too my son after June when the new systems come out or maybe I will just hold onto it. MAIN point is for me

Screen size and dedicated graphics. I do like the screens on all of the macs though. Keep in mind what your going to use the system for?

BOL of luck to all on there decision's

m85476585
Feb 27, 2008, 03:58 PM
The machine weighs nearly the same as the MB, but has a huge beautiful screen. The LED backlighting is AMAZING.

Can you elaborate on the screens? A quality screen is one of the most important features for me since I like to do photo editing and website design. My Dell laptop had a pretty bad LCD, which is one of the main reasons I'm still using this CRT instead of an LCD for my desktop. Attached is an example of an image that I could not see at all on my laptop. It is the background that Windows adds to folders full of pictures. It looked completely white at normal viewing angles, but I could verify that it was there by tilting the monitor and looking at it from the top. The image should be easily visibly on a good monitor.

(for reference, the darkest color in the image is #e5e8f0)

I think I'll put it somewhere on my website so I can use it to test the MB vs. MBP vs. ACD screens at the Apple store. I'll also use the Photoshop color picker (or whatever equivalent they have loaded) because oddly enough my CRT shows banding in the gradients but my laptop does not.

nomad01
Feb 27, 2008, 11:55 PM
Excellent - I love input from people that have owned both.

So, do you find that that 2 extra diagonal inches on the screen is a significant plus? I'm not concerned with graphics or extra HDD and which keyboard type seems irrelevant to me.

I'm focusing on how much of a quality difference there truly is between the MB and the MBP and how much the screen real-estate effects both computers.

Owned both.

Quality wise, I'd say there were big pros and cons to both machines. I'm sticking with the Macbook now. Might go back to an MBP when/if they get a facelift.

I love my blackbook. However if it is your only machine and you dont have an external monitor then a 15" screen might be easier on your eyes.

Gunga Din
Feb 28, 2008, 01:35 PM
Well, I went with the MBP. This is my first Mac and I wanted to make it a great purchase. When I went into the store and tried both the MB and MBP in person, I felt the 15" LED was much nicer, the keyboard was more comfortable and its just looked so much more impressive. Plus I would like to game a little on it and a few people told me if I did want to do any animation/video even as a beginner, it would be better to have the vid card instead of the integrated graphics.

This was the deal breaker, the price. I got an EDU discount (thx to the wife) + because I was happy with the baseline model I just went to Delaware (tax free and 20min drive to the store) and picked it up.

I got the Base 15" with a full size wired aluminum keyboard (to use at home when I hook it up to my 21" CRT) and the apple care for $2058. 2K was my limit because I bought a Dell 1 week earlier to replace my aging PC. So now I can keep my Mac and PC stuff separate. By the way, I posted about the deal I got on my Dell a few weeks ago. I found a $400 off coupon and picked up the Dell in my sig for $800 !!

So i got both computers for $2800. My limit for just a Mac was 3k at the time because I was gonna get a Mac Pro to install windows on and back up my PC that way. But this choice felt better. I have a new desktop and a MBP for portability. The new update was great for me. The baseline is basically the mid range from the previous model. Only $500 cheaper.

Thats my story and it took me 2 months to figure it out since starting my search for a Mac in Dec.

Good luck to everyone else. This updated MBP is perfect for me since its my first Mac. I know alot of people are now considering a wait for Montevina or a case redesign. But I really like this current design and if you really want to wait for a worthwhile update to the MBP, you are better off putting more money into one in 2-3 yrs when SSD's are more common and affordable. Buy now and enjoy if you need it. I didnt think waiting 3-4 months to see if Montevina would be released was worth it. I'm not too excited about that update. 2009 will yield a much better jump in tech to upgrade.