I Hate Panther

[bhancock]

What was Apple thinking? No SCSI support. Hard drive corruption. FireWire and USB issues. And the finder is as slow as ever. I am a very productive graphics professional and will be spending much more time on XP until Apple gets rid of the Sugar and gives me some real meat.

[idkew]

while you have some valid points, you are very wrong in two:

-for the large majority of users, the finder is much faster in panther.
-if you don't like os x, then you us os 9. a true designer does not switch to windows. os 9 is still the preferred os of most creatives.

[Powerbook G5]

Panther is working fine for me. It's fast, no corruption on my system, and I've never found a use for my SCSI port on my older PowerBook in the 4 years I've used it.

[whocares]

Originally posted by bhancock
What was Apple thinking? No SCSI support. Hard drive corruption. FireWire and USB issues. And the finder is as slow as ever. I am a very productive graphics professional and will be spending much more time on XP until Apple gets rid of the Sugar and gives me some real meat.

Geez. 3 out of total 3 posts you made are basically bashing Panther. There's a lot of hate in you :eek:

[Powerbook G5]

Much hate in you there is, the dark side of danger to you may be. :p

[j33pd0g]

I have none of these issues. My finder is faster than ever. It's also made of metal, so it will not break as easy. My FW is fine. My USB is fine. I take work home with me, so it's compatible with the classic mac experience. It's also compatible with (gulp) Windows networks.

Scuzzy? Old technology is old for a reason. If your equipment still requires scuzzy then buy new equipment. I think they will stop manufacturing these drives/devices in less then 5 years anyway. I'm not saying you have to do it right now. I'm just saying that it is inevitable. Any one (including mac users) who buys a computer thinking -- that's it, Im set for the next decade -- is sadly mistaken. computers are not cars. They are not trusty old washing machines.

* I will say, however, that in the 4.5 years I had my mac, my room mate had gone through 3 PC's! He just bought a PB.

Enjoy your Extra Patches.

[revenuee]

Originally posted by j33pd0g


Scuzzy? Old technology is old for a reason. If your equipment still requires scuzzy then buy new equipment. I think they will stop manufacturing these drives/devices in less then 5 years anyway. I'm not saying you have to do it right now. I'm just saying that it is inevitable. Any one (including mac users) who buys a computer thinking -- that's it, Im set for the next decade -- is sadly mistaken. computers are not cars. They are not trusty old washing machines.


maybe old... but my SCSI drives kick my firewire drives ass when it comes to capturing video... i get a clean, drop frame free capture, Unlike on my Firewire where i drops almost every other frame

[iPC]

Originally posted by revenuee
maybe old... but my SCSI drives kick my firewire drives ass when it comes to capturing video... i get a clean, drop frame free capture, Unlike on my Firewire where i drops almost every other frame
Amazing that people don't know that firewire drive enclosures are using ata drives...

scsi is much faster than ata...

[johnnowak]

iPC: Ditto.

[bousozoku]

It's a good thing my B&W G3 didn't know there was no SCSI support--it wouldn't boot from its Ultra2SCSI drive. ;)

I don't think Apple is going to change direction suddenly for bhancock or any other one person, right? I guess someone will be enjoying WinXP quite a lot.

j33pd0g:

It's just a good thing that most servers are using SCSI drives. The internet would be a much slower place (destination?) if the world was using ATA, Ultra, embededed in FireWire, or otherwise.

[revenuee]

Originally posted by iPC
Amazing that people don't know that firewire drive enclosures are using ata drives...

scsi is much faster than ata...

i'm not sure if your insulting me, agreeing with me, or just picking out random things in my arguments :D ;) :rolleyes:.

Now, i know that SCSI is faster then ATA, thats why i have SCSI drives in the first place.


but here is something for you to ponder: my System drive is ATA, spinning at 5200 RPM and i get a crisp clear capture, comparable in every-way to my UltraWide SCSI drive capture spinning at 10000 rpm.

Originally posted by johnnowak

iPC: Ditto.

what, are you just trying to raise your post counts or something, come back when you've got something productive to say.

[snickelfritz]

Firewire drives are not recommended for AV work.
They are a reasonably fast hot-swappable storage solution, not a replacement for fast AV drives.

Hard drive corruption?
Where'd that come from?
Journaling should theoretically make the drive less susceptible to corruption.

What Firewire and USB issues?
(besides the well known, and now fixed FW800 issue)

The Finder is faster now than it was in Jaguar, and more functional than it ever was in OS9.

BTW, WinXP/2000 and OSX are really the only two main platforms available for the latest versions of many DTP programs, and are equally suitable for this task.
(WinXP is VERY stable, although it seems to be a constant security problem lately)
OS9 is essentially obsolete, except for Pagemaker and Quark5 die-hards.

[RagingTeen]

Sata is more than enough competitor for most scsi.... it can't compete with the current uber one that is out now, but still, 150MB/s

[Sun Baked]

Yes Apple stopped shipping SCSI solutions for PowerMacs and now offer the big RAID enslosure, but the third-party market still offers SCSI.

It's up to the 3rd parties to update their drivers, not Apple.

Plus there have been issues with SCSI since the B&W G3 and every HW and OS update since then (seems like). So there is no surprise that more might crop up with the PowerMac G5 and Panther.

---

Wintel is cheaper and less expensive than any Mac solution with oodles of options...

No reason for you to switch and far fewer problems on the dark side, than the Panther problems.

I can't understand why you'd ever leave Wintel.

[iJon]

although i dont use scsi, i havent found anything that says there is no support. i have a scsi section in my apple system profiler and also see support for scsi scanners on the panther web site. but like i said i dont use scsi so i really wouldnt know. from the looks of it you have no desire to have us help you with your problems, just make threads on how you hate panther so maybe windows is a better solution for you, hope it works out.

iJon

[Java]

Originally posted by bhancock
What was Apple thinking? No SCSI support. Hard drive corruption. FireWire and USB issues. And the finder is as slow as ever. I am a very productive graphics professional and will be spending much more time on XP until Apple gets rid of the Sugar and gives me some real meat. Dude. Have fun on XP. I wish you well. If you are doing anything print related, I'd like to hear how QuarkXPress and Photoshop's color profiles work out for ya on XP.

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Big cats like real meat.:p
</edit>

[law guy]

But wasn't the point of the orignial post that 10.3 is causing him significant problems? He/She doesn't WANT to use XP. I think folks are missing some of the angst in the post there. Here's a guy whose shelled the money (I'm guessing quite a lot for his professional system needs) on his Apple equipment and spent the money on 10.3 - I think it's obvious that he LIKES Macs.

A lot of folks have had some angst from 10.3 - I've spent $265 on an internal print server after my HP 2100 wouldn't work after the 10.3 install (recognized, but the printer would not respond / print). As is noted on another thread, there's a strange issue with two CD-R images appearing in iTunes and iPhoto, and a whole thread full of other problems.

I think the guy wants to use his Mac, but like a lot of folks he's just having problems doing it. Let's support our fellow Mac users in their hard times.:)

[Powerbook G5]

But the problems he's listed:

SCSI support--there is SCSI support in Panther from what I can tell with System Profiler listing it and the SCSI on my PowerBook is recognized just fine.

USB/Firewire problems--I haven't seen nor heard of a single USB problem and the only Firewire problem was a select few FW HDs which appears to have been addressed.

Hard Drive corruption--what corruption? I haven't seen any reports of that both on these forums and on Apple's support section. If he means FileVault, no one is making him use it and Apple fixed that problem, anyway, so that is taken cared of.

Finder being slow--Finder is about as snappy as OS 9 was. If they didn't have as many animations it would give it more of an appearance of snappiness, too. Not being academic about my figure, I'd say a good 85-90% of all reports I've seen agree that Finder is faster by a great magnitude over Puma or Jaguar.

If he has a problem, I am sure we'd all be more than happy to help him resolve his issues and if we cannot help, Apple could. If he'd like to give details, we can all start helping right away.

[revenuee]

Originally posted by law guy
But wasn't the point of the orignial post that 10.3 is causing him significant problems? He/She doesn't WANT to use XP. I think folks are missing some of the angst in the post there. Here's a guy whose shelled the money (I'm guessing quite a lot for his professional system needs) on his Apple equipment and spent the money on 10.3 - I think it's obvious that he LIKES Macs.

A lot of folks have had some angst from 10.3 - I've spent $265 on an internal print server after my HP 2100 wouldn't work after the 10.3 install (recognized, but the printer would not respond / print). As is noted on another thread, there's a strange issue with two CD-R images appearing in iTunes and iPhoto, and a whole thread full of other problems.

I think the guy wants to use his Mac, but like a lot of folks he's just having problems doing it. Let's support our fellow Mac users in their hard times.:)

i agree ... it's been a hard transition from OS 9 to OS 10 for me... but not enough to make me switch back to MS .... i'de rather use old software then new software on a MS OS

[bousozoku]

I'd like to believe that these kinds of posts really come from Macintosh users. However, when someone posts a vague rant and doesn't return after a day or two, it makes me suspicious. As far as I'm concerned, this person looks like a Windows fan now.

[Powerbook G5]

I thought the same thing but I am trying to give the benefit of a doubt and try to help if he comes back.

[revenuee]

Originally posted by Powerbook G5
I thought the same thing but I am trying to give the benefit of a doubt and try to help if he comes back.

All people are generally good and have the best intentions in mind... this was my thinking, but i've been screwed to many times

NOW all people are evil until they show me other wise.... LOL no middle ground:D

[TigerPRO]

Originally posted by bhancock
What was Apple thinking? No SCSI support. Hard drive corruption. FireWire and USB issues. And the finder is as slow as ever. I am a very productive graphics professional and will be spending much more time on XP until Apple gets rid of the Sugar and gives me some real meat.

Got a little point there, but not much more than that. XP is awful by the way.

[bhancock]

If anyone is interested, just go to macfixit.com and look down the very very long list of Panther problems and issues. It is astonishing. For a relatively minor upgrade it is sure causing a ton of problems.

I am a graphics pro and have been using the Mac since it was first available for DTP. Over 10 years now. I have come along faithfully with all of the problems and upgrades one OS to the next and was one of the first who bit the bullet and switched to OSX for my production work over 2 years ago (at that point I did mostly Retouching and Prepress)

In my history with graphics and prepress, I have owned a lot of equipment, including very costly drum scanners and printers, tape drive etc etc. I have loyally supported Apple and put down graphics pros who tried to do graphics on Windows.


But now all the reasons that originally made it vital for a DTP desiger or prepress person or retoucher to use a Mac, (including color management) have been eliminated. I have a 3ghz Dell workstation and a Dual 1ghz G4 literally side by side on the same desk and I assure you that if I bring up the same scan side by side on both machines in Photoshop that they are virtually identical. The Creative Mac advantage no longer exists. I use Photoshop, Golive, Freehand, Dreamweaver, Flash, Fireworks, Painter, Illustrator, Quark, Indesign, Suitcase and more on both XP and OSX. There is virtually no difference any more.

If the Mac Advantage has been eliminated for creatives, there have to be other things that give me a reason to use my Mac other than a warm fuzzy feeling about the past and how great is was to be one of the chosen few. Speed and efficiency are among these reasons. I have a lot of work to do and I need to do it efficiently. The price difference is not really an issue for me. I will use what gets my work done in the least amount of time

I was very enthusiastic about OSX from the outset and loved the fact that I could finally print and work at the same time. Something that was not possible on OS9. I accepted the rotating pie chart as an evil necessity. I really thought that by 10.1 or 10.2 that would be fixed. Here we are over 2 years later on 10.3 and if I click from one drive to another on my Dual G4,that was bought last July, I still have to wait between 1 and 10 seconds until the list appears. For someone who uses 4 internal hard drives and about 10 externals, this is not an option. I really don't care about Expose or the genie effect. I just want to be able to fly though my drives and find what I need to find and then continue what I was doing.

Why do I suddenly have equipment that worked fine in Jaguar and is now virtually impossible to use in Panter? Again I stress that my G4 is only a year and 4 months old. And my Imacon scanner is not much older. I was able to move from OS 9 to OS X with my scsi drives, and PCI cards and tape drives and scanners. Why can't I do the same from 10.2 to 10.3? It is not a major upgrade!!


So here I am hating that fact that I now have to spend most of my days working on XP. If anyone has a better solution for someone who has millions of files, thousands of fonts and Terrabyes of video please let me know.

And I think it is naive to say that most windows users dream about a Mac. It is not a useful discussion. Again, I have no love at this point for Microsoft or Apple. XP is a very stable and extremely cutomizable OS much to my surprise. And there is a much wider selection of software to choose from.

[Powerbook G5]

10.3 is a major revision of OS X, though...a new microkernal, a new version of BSD, etc...It's a pretty drastic change under the hood. As for your hardware not working, have you checked to see if the company has released updated drivers?

[LethalWolfe]

revenuee,

Since you metion how nice yer capture is to your system HDD I assume you are capturing DV. SCSI is way overkill for DV. Any 7200RPM ATA HDD made in the past 3 or 4 years is more than fast enough for DV. And if you buy a quality FW enclosure you won't be dropping frames.


snickelfritz,
If you are working w/DV FW/ATA gives ample bandwidth and speed. If you are cutting uncompressed you'll still need to go SCSI for the time being, though.


Lethal

[bousozoku]

bhancock:

I'll probably be smacked for this, but why did you upgrade your machine to Panther before you had the necessary software updates and knew that Panther was safe?

If you're making money with the machine, how can you not plan ahead of time and wait when things aren't ready?

If you look back at Jaguar, printers barely worked at all and many printer drivers had to be re-written. Mac OS 8.5 and 9.0 had various problems with printers and software as well.

It's also no wonder that Windows XP works pretty well for graphics work, as well as a lot of other things. A lot has happened since Windows 3.0 and System 7 arrived in 1991 when Apple had a clear advantage.

The only true advantage I see Apple having is the integration from top to bottom. Since Apple are in control of the hardware, they can make certain that things run more smoothly. By the time 10.3.9 is out, you'll have forgotten how bad the transition was. ;)

[Flynnstone]

Originally posted by revenuee
i agree ... it's been a hard transition from OS 9 to OS 10 for me... but not enough to make me switch back to MS .... i'de rather use old software then new software on a MS OS

I found the transition to OS X fairly easy. Coming from the PC world (stopped at 2000).
I find going to OS 9 (& previous) a little difficult. Mostly why learn something dieing (sp?).

[Sol]

Originally posted by LethalWolfe
SCSI is way overkill for DV. Any 7200RPM ATA HDD made in the past 3 or 4 years is more than fast enough for DV. And if you buy a quality FW enclosure you won't be dropping frames.

I agree. DV footage requires only 3MBs so almost any modern FireWire drive will do the job. Having said that, if he is capturing MJPEG or uncompressed video with a PCI card, then a fast SCSI drive would be preferable. I guess he needs to specify what system he has before any of us could tell him what the solution is.

Panther's problems have been over-rated by the mainstream computer press. The majority of users did not experience problems with their external drives. Personally, I would wait until a few updates get released before installing OS X.3

[snickelfritz]

My reference to FW drives is based on the section of the Final Cut FAQ posted below.
Thanks for the additional info though.

FireWire drives

You can use FireWire hard drives to back up and move broadcast quality QuickTime clips from one editing suite to another. Because they can be "hot-swapped" (ejected and disconnected while the computer and drive are turned on), they are particularly useful for this task.

In some cases FireWire hard drives can be used to capture and edit projects that require low data rate video clips, such as those captured using the DV codec. However, some FireWire hard drives may lack the performance of internal Ultra ATA drives or of internal or external SCSI drives. For this reason, they are not always the best solution for capturing and editing projects.

Some FireWire drives, for example, may not be able to support as many simultaneous real-time audio and video tracks as an internal Ultra ATA drive. You may also only be able to use a limited number of simultaneous real-time audio and video effects.

If you choose to use a FireWire hard drive, make sure it meets these requirements:
The drive is the only device on the FireWire bus.
The drive's speed is at least 7200 RPM.
The drive can sustain minimum data rates appropriate for your video format (3.7 MB/s for DV).
The drive uses a modern, high-performance bridge chip such as the Oxford 911 or 922.
The drive uses its own power supply, and is not powered from the FireWire bus.

Important: Meeting these requirements does not guarantee the effectiveness or reliability of the drive. If a FireWire hard drive causes dropped frames during playback or recording, try moving the media to an Ultra ATA or SCSI drive.

[bradz_id]

There is NO Use for SCSI anymore. Why not get 2 7200RPM Hard drives in RAID Stripe? If you have a G5, you can get 2 74GB Western Digital Raptors in RAID and that will absolutely caine any SCSI drives and they're cheaper. Read up on disabling startup items and that also gives you a huge speed increase as I have found. I hope you didn't install Panther straigth on top of Jaguar! You ALLWAYS need to erase-and-install!

[LethalWolfe]

snickelfritz,

Apple is being/has been very conservative when it comes to FCP and FW drives for some reason. 2 years ago I understood, but now w/how much ATA drives and FW enclosures have improved as long as you get a good HDD and a good enclosure w/the oxford 911 or 922 chipset you are golden 99% of the time (the other 1% are just flukes that for whatever reason someone can't get their FW to work right even though everyone else has no issues what so ever).

bradz_id,

I'd like to see you walk into any place that edits uncompressed video and tell them that SCSI is now useless. ;) ATA drives are quickly closing speed gap but they aren't their yet. Plus, it's not just the speed of the drives that makes SCSI superior to ATA.


Lethal

[legion]

I agree with Lethal. SCSI is still definitely the way to go for uncompressed video (plus, SCSI drives also have a higher reliability rate) Try taking on HD uncompressed on ATA drives... you'd really need to have a RAIDed SCSI UW setup to get the sustained throughput needed when working with mulitple streams.

[revenuee]

Originally posted by LethalWolfe
revenuee,

Since you metion how nice yer capture is to your system HDD I assume you are capturing DV. SCSI is way overkill for DV. Any 7200RPM ATA HDD made in the past 3 or 4 years is more than fast enough for DV. And if you buy a quality FW enclosure you won't be dropping frames.


snickelfritz,
If you are working w/DV FW/ATA gives ample bandwidth and speed. If you are cutting uncompressed you'll still need to go SCSI for the time being, though.


Lethal


Yes i am working with DV,

and i'm capturing to the LaCie d2 7200 rpm hard drive... it has the oxford 911 chipset everyone kept telling me about, and it still drops frames

[TigerPRO]

Originally posted by revenuee
Yes i am working with DV,

and i'm capturing to the LaCie d2 7200 rpm hard drive... it has the oxford 911 chipset everyone kept telling me about, and it still drops frames

That's really strange. Even the trashiest hard drives shouldn't drop frames. I think your hard drive may be danaged and corupted. I'd talk to LaCie if I was you.

[LethalWolfe]

Originally posted by revenuee
Yes i am working with DV,

and i'm capturing to the LaCie d2 7200 rpm hard drive... it has the oxford 911 chipset everyone kept telling me about, and it still drops frames

What happens if you capture footage to your internal drive, then move it to the FW drive? Does it still drop frames or does it playback properly? Is your camera connected thru your FW drive, or is it on it's own FW port? Daisy-chaining the camera thru the FW HDD will almost always degrade performance.

Like I mentioned in my last post, for some reason some people just have problems w/FW drives where as 99% of the people w/the exact same drive have no issues. It's really odd. I've used generic no-names and top qualiy brand names and never dropped a frame.


Lethal

[revenuee]

Originally posted by LethalWolfe
What happens if you capture footage to your internal drive, then move it to the FW drive? Does it still drop frames or does it playback properly? Is your camera connected thru your FW drive, or is it on it's own FW port? Daisy-chaining the camera thru the FW HDD will almost always degrade performance.

Like I mentioned in my last post, for some reason some people just have problems w/FW drives where as 99% of the people w/the exact same drive have no issues. It's really odd. I've used generic no-names and top qualiy brand names and never dropped a frame.


Lethal


I don't have it daisy changed

camera is on BUS 1 and Firewire Drive is on BUS 2.

When i move it over to my Firewire Drive and then try to play back, it is fine... it's a work around that i've had to do, but i would rather not have too

[LethalWolfe]

Originally posted by revenuee
I don't have it daisy changed

camera is on BUS 1 and Firewire Drive is on BUS 2.

When i move it over to my Firewire Drive and then try to play back, it is fine... it's a work around that i've had to do, but i would rather not have too


Have you looked for help over at the LaCie forums? You situation sounds vaguely familiar, but I can't remember how some people were able to fix the problem. Argh. If it comes to me I'll be sure to PM you.


Lethal

[revenuee]

Originally posted by LethalWolfe
Have you looked for help over at the LaCie forums? You situation sounds vaguely familiar, but I can't remember how some people were able to fix the problem. Argh. If it comes to me I'll be sure to PM you.


Lethal

No, i hadn't looked in their forum, didn't realize there was one there

i tried here and i was told my system might just be too slow

[notkevin]

Originally posted by bhancock
What was Apple thinking? No SCSI support.

That is funny, my Mac at work only has SCSI harddrives and they seem to work fine.

Hard drive corruption. FireWire and USB issues.

I have use multiple Firewire drives with no problem, I believe there was a problem with some specific controler and that it was fixed in 10.3.1

And the finder is as slow as ever.

My experence is the exact oppisite. I have tried 10.3 on about 10 macs (G3s and G4s) and they all are faster.

I am a very productive graphics professional and will be spending much more time on XP until Apple gets rid of the Sugar and gives me some real meat.

I doubt that.

[tjwett]

So far Panther has been pretty good to me aside from the occasional hang up. Of all the things to come/go I must agree that no SCSI support is not cool at all. Not too long ago I was envisioning my new dream setup which included a G5 with 15,000 RPM SCSI drives. Those who say SCSI is "old" are obviously not doing any heavy disk work like music or video. To tout a machine as being the ultimate tool for heavy pro use and then max us out at 7200 RPM and drop the fastest technology out there is just plain silly. Firwire, even 800, just doesn't cut it.

[iJon]

Originally posted by tjwett
So far Panther has been pretty good to me aside from the occasional hang up. Of all the things to come/go I must agree that no SCSI support is not cool at all. Not too long ago I was envisioning my new dream setup which included a G5 with 15,000 RPM SCSI drives. Those who say SCSI is "old" are obviously not doing any heavy disk work like music or video. To tout a machine as being the ultimate tool for heavy pro use and then max us out at 7200 RPM and drop the fastest technology out there is just plain silly. Firwire, even 800, just doesn't cut it.
i dont think it really matters if its cool or not, because i havent read anything that says scsi support is gone. apple has scsi scanner support on their page, scsi is in the system profiler, and the guy who posted above you said he is using scsi hard drives without any problems.

iJon

[Powerbook G5]

I agree, I don't see why the system profiler would list SCSI if Panther did not support it and I've heard of more than a few people getting SCSI hard drives so I doubt it's "not supported". Not even a year ago the top of the line PowerMacs allowed for UltraSCSI as BTO options at the Apple Store, even.

[revenuee]

Originally posted by Powerbook G5
I agree, I don't see why the system profiler would list SCSI if Panther did not support it and I've heard of more than a few people getting SCSI hard drives so I doubt it's "not supported". Not even a year ago the top of the line PowerMacs allowed for UltraSCSI as BTO options at the Apple Store, even.

Perhaps our "Productive Graphics Professional" has a third party SCSI interface card... The drives maybe fine.... but the firmware on the SCSI card needs to be upgraded... unfortunately not all manufacturers offer this yet for certain cards... - that was the problem for me after all under OS 10.2.

[Powerbook G5]

So then it's not that Panther doesn't support SCSI, it's that his SCSI card doesn't have an updated driver. I can't believe that is the fault of Apple, though. Worst case scenario is that he'll have to wait a little while until the company releases an updated driver to work with Panther. If not, then perhaps a newer SCSI card is in order.

[LethalWolfe]

Originally posted by tjwett
So far Panther has been pretty good to me aside from the occasional hang up. Of all the things to come/go I must agree that no SCSI support is not cool at all. Not too long ago I was envisioning my new dream setup which included a G5 with 15,000 RPM SCSI drives. Those who say SCSI is "old" are obviously not doing any heavy disk work like music or video. To tout a machine as being the ultimate tool for heavy pro use and then max us out at 7200 RPM and drop the fastest technology out there is just plain silly. Firwire, even 800, just doesn't cut it.


This is borderline nitpicking, but FW supplies enough bandwidth but the 7200RPM ATA drives on the other end of the cable just aren't fast enough to handle it. AJA's Io allows you to import/export uncompressed, 10-bit video over a single FW400 connection.


Lethal

[Sun Baked]

Apple replaced SCSI with the Fibre Channel Card in the BTO options, Apple didn't kill it just replaced a BTO option with another one.

I wonder if the "Productive Graphics Professional" thinks the Apple Fibre Channel RAID is good enough to replace a SCSI RAID.

[Nik_Doof]

Mmmm Fiber Channel, gotta luv it....but costa loada bling bling lol :)

[revenuee]

Originally posted by Sun Baked
Apple replaced SCSI with the Fibre Channel Card in the BTO options, Apple didn't kill it just replaced a BTO option with another one.

I wonder if the "Productive Graphics Professional" thinks the Apple Fibre Channel RAID is good enough to replace a SCSI RAID.

i'm glad the the use of quotation marks caught on :D :p MAD PROPS Sun Baked

(NOTE: i don't acctually know what MAD PROPS means, my friends use it and this seemed like a good time as any to say it)

"Productive Graphics Professional"?

if he was so productive he wouldn't have time coming to post on here ... LOL

at least not for the sake of bashing on panther .... a REAL graphics professional would come on here and ask the "community" for help on how to get his SCSI equipment to working... Or like notkevin be the one helping out ... or LethalWolfe who was more then willing to offer me some advice on my FW drives

ps... has anybody noticed that bhancock aka "Productive Graphics Professional" hasn't been back?

should we call troll on this one and call it a day?

[tjwett]

Originally posted by iJon
i dont think it really matters if its cool or not, because i havent read anything that says scsi support is gone. apple has scsi scanner support on their page, scsi is in the system profiler, and the guy who posted above you said he is using scsi hard drives without any problems.

iJon

well there we are then. i've heard only from word of mouth that "there's no more SCSI" but after looking into it you're all totally right. it's just these dudes i talk to who are just now creating a little test partition on their spare HD to try out "OS Ex" are confused. it's no doubt their cards/drivers/firmware that need updating. if only all my fellow musicians and video guys would have started moving to OS X (TEN! it's called OS Ten dammit, not "Ex"!) a long time ago with the rest of us...:(

[BrandonRP0123]

Originally posted by bhancock
What was Apple thinking? No SCSI support. Hard drive corruption. FireWire and USB issues. And the finder is as slow as ever. I am a very productive graphics professional and will be spending much more time on XP until Apple gets rid of the Sugar and gives me some real meat.

Since when is there no SCSI support? I've got an Adaptec PCI 2906 SCSI card in my Power Mac and it works fine with Panther.

[bousozoku]

I really think that people are confused with the fact that there is no SCSI hardware built into the motherboard and they're equating that with Mac OS X, for some reason.

I've heard this from several people who were supposed to be knowledgeable about Macs and when I dug deeper, they ended up saying "oh yeah, that's it."