DAMN IT! I Got ripped off! [Archive]

Rezet

Nov 22, 2003, 01:36 AM

Originally posted by LimeLite
It sucks, but you were certainly not ripped off. It's not like Apple sat there and said hmm...I wonder how we can make people pissed off about buying a single 1.8 instead of the dual 2...

Dissapointed I can understand, but don't say you were ripped off, because you really weren't. ****, Apple's return policy is about 10 days, you've had it for about 50 days longer than that.

(Not counting pro card holders because APP is required to get that)

Yeah they knew people will get pissed. I bet even in his june presentation he stevie knew about duals coming by xmas. he knew that 1.8 model will sell out the most. and introducing dual when most people cant return machinies will bring even more customers and who cares about those who got screwed. I mean cmon, 1.6 with student discount and w/o dvd-rw costs 1500!

Excuse me, I'm a bit upset... gonna go kick a cat

manitoubalck

Nov 22, 2003, 01:42 AM

Originally posted by leet1
Welcome to the computer world ;)

Welcome indeed, I payed $128AUD for 512MB of DDR333, the next week it was $70, and now it's @ $98.

You just never know what's going to happen

Rower_CPU

Nov 22, 2003, 01:48 AM

I doubt anyone can prove that Apple knew exactly when they'd be able to ship dual 1.8s or that they purposefully delayed shipments on the single 1.8s.

Be happy that Apple is releasing new models at a pace faster than the lethargic schedule Motorola kept them on.

kanker

Nov 22, 2003, 03:31 AM

Originally posted by Rezet
I was hoping on getting something new and so that it would last. So your G5 is broken? That sucks.:rolleyes:

MacFan26

Nov 22, 2003, 03:50 AM

Originally posted by Rezet
Yeah But CMON! 2 months later!? I was hoping on getting something new and so that it would last.

I don't think there has been any computers or computer related things that have been able to "last" as long as a consumer would hope. You can only have "the next best thing" for a certain amount of time. And hey! I still have a G4, so I wouldn't be complaining too much.

LimeLite

Nov 22, 2003, 03:56 AM

Originally posted by Rezet
Yeah they knew people will get pissed. I bet even in his june presentation he stevie knew about duals coming by xmas. he knew that 1.8 model will sell out the most. and introducing dual when most people cant return machinies will bring even more customers and who cares about those who got screwed. I mean cmon, 1.6 with student discount and w/o dvd-rw costs 1500!

Excuse me, I'm a bit upset... gonna go kick a cat

I guess to not piss people off, they should just never introduce a new model, huh? Then you'll always have the fastest mac!

Manufacturers want to make sure you're happy with your purchase, but not at the expense of withholding technological improvements.

At no time did Apple ever even imply that it was "safe to buy" because they weren't going to update the G5 in a while. You were NOT ripped off. You purchased a computer, you were happy with it. Nothing should change just because a new model came out. This happens frequently. No one has the best computer forever.

panphage

Nov 22, 2003, 04:32 AM

Jeez, man, on The Dark Side, you'd be lucky to have the fastest processor available for longer than two weeks. There's always something new, that's how the computer world is *supposed* to work. We should be happy that Macs are moving so fast with improvements these days. I remember when a 500Mhz G4 was as fast as it got for over a year. Meanwhile, the pentiums and athlons went well over a Gig in the same time frame. We as mac users have to get reacquainted with Moore's Law. We're spoiled now because we're used to 6+ months for a 10% speed boost. That is the past. Now we're just like any computer user, our tech is going to stop being the newest and fastest in a matter of 6-10 weeks. This is a good thing.

Sun Baked

Nov 22, 2003, 05:19 AM

It's really hard to properly express my feelings on this getting screwed subject, when there were rumors of a DP G5 1.8 coming out soon after the PowerMac G5 release.

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And there's still a chance the speed bumps could come out on schedule, with this change coming just in time for the Christmas buying season.

Dreadnought

Nov 22, 2003, 06:52 AM

When the G5's where introduced and the pre-orders of the dual 2.0 where above expectation there where already rumors about dual 1.8. So it took Apple about 3-4 months to get it ready for the big public. They probably already had prototypes of the thing when the G5 was introduced, but at first had no plan of getting it out. Now that Apple hardly can keep up with supply of dual 2.0, they introduce dual 1.8. Also to get rid of a lot of 1.8 IBM is cooking up at fishkill before the new and higher speed G5's!

I wanted to go for a single 1.8 G5, but after I heard the rumor of dual 1.8's I waited a while! And now I'm still waiting because I find the price is to high. Which will come down when the higher speed G5's are introduced in a couple of months. Then I will be getting a dual 2.0 or 1.8.

mmmdreg

Nov 22, 2003, 07:10 AM

that's why I always *try* to buy the top of the range even if it pushes the budget, because it'll stay the top *that* much longer..

rt_brained

Nov 22, 2003, 07:38 AM

Originally posted by Rezet
Yeah But CMON! 2 months later!? I was hoping on getting something new and so that it would last. I feel that anyone who bought 1.8 now was ripped off. Apple knew ahead they will release dual soon after yet went ahead with single version knowing it will sell out well anyways...

THIS IS BULL! Yeah man, you'd think Apple would have upgraded everybody's 1.8 GHZ orders to 2 GHz from the beginning. I mean, they knew they'd be upgrading processors one of these days. And they knew

And if they come out with a 2.1 GHz in the next few years I'm gonna be REALLY PISSED!

benixau

Nov 22, 2003, 08:15 AM

Im pissed too.

I spent a lot of money on my Dual 1G MDD.

Then they release the G5? No way - I am going to soooo whinge. I have had only 1 year of good use from it. We get 10 yrs from our fridge - why not our macs - cheap a$$ apple.

They suck!

Please note that the entire post was sarcasm.

You people have paid about $100 less than I did and gotten a much much better machine that has a very long life in it. Now shut up and do some FCP rendering for me.

Dont Hurt Me

Nov 22, 2003, 08:20 AM

i feel for you too but this is apple, after stagnating with motorola for so long they now have options and are moving forward. I think this next year there will be a lot of people feeling like this as they introduce faster and better machines. if you think the dual makes you feel bad wait until they introduce a consumer line with the G5. anyways there is allways a better machine on the drawing board and by the time a machine is ready to be produce its obsolete by whats coming.

CrackedButter

Nov 22, 2003, 08:52 AM

I bought a G4 knowing the G5 is coming out, but i needed it for college so in the end i purchased the 15". I got 20% off the price but while it is still costly i know the next ones might be cheaper for having the G5.

But its a guessing game which you can hardly win, i bought now i have...i shouldn't have to regret knowing something new is coming out.

airmac

Nov 22, 2003, 09:36 AM

Well i will try and put things into perspective. If he could add a second processor 'later' than things wouldn't look so black & white wouldn't they...

My point? I would be angry too.

stylum

Nov 22, 2003, 11:21 AM

You can go to the apple store where you bought your machine and ask for a partial reimbursment, they will give you back about $300.00
but only within the next 30 days after the purchase.
I asked wednesday at la jolla UTC store.

good luck

visor

Nov 22, 2003, 11:27 AM

aethier

Nov 22, 2003, 12:27 PM

Yeah eh, and now that is is "so out of date" and he is 'so ripped off" he should really sell it for cheap, so he could buy a new one,,

hey i will offer 1001

aethier

jxyama

Nov 22, 2003, 12:30 PM

apple's got your money already. people without a mac but with money to now buy a dual 1.8 are probably very happy - "oh, for almost the same price, i can now get two processors!"

guess who apple cares about?

above was meant to be sarcastic. computers get faster and cheaper.

bastardx

Nov 22, 2003, 12:31 PM

I have had my 1.8 for only two weeks when the new one came out. I don't really care that much since I really like the machine I bought, I mean sure a dual would probably give the machine a bit more longevity, but I am happy with it now, and I don't think there is going ot be a change in my computing habits in the near future that is going to change that.

~Shard~

Nov 22, 2003, 01:54 PM

As a previous poster said, welcome to the computer world!!!

What are you upset about? Is your machine any slower now? No, it is not. Will it still do everything you need it to? Yes. You bought it because you could afford it and it had enough power to do what you need - otherwise, you would've bought the Dual 2.0. So the machine still suits your need, and you obviously don't need a DP machine or you would've bought a DP 2.0. So what are you complaining about? :rolleyes:

Is this a "top-of-the-line" issue? You wanted a near top-of-the-line machine and now it's been upgraded? Again, welcome to the computer world!

Or are you upset that for a couple hundred $s more you could've got this new DP 1.8? Well what is your current 1.8 worth? Crap? I don't think so.

Technology changes. Steve Jobs had to announce the DP 1.8 at some point, so there are always going to be some people who just miss out.

So what would've happened if you bought the Dual 1.8s? In 2 months @ MWSF, when the whole line sees speed bumps and the slowest G5 PowerMac is a 2.0 GHz, would you be complaining then, because you could've bought a 2.5 GHz G5 (or whatever) for the same amount you spent on your DP 1.8?

People like you are never happy. You always want the latest and greatest and want it to last forever. You don't realize technology changes rapdily in this day and age. And you're not happy with what you have. Is your single 1.8 broken now? Will it no longer perform the tasks you initially bought it for?

Listen, I'm buying a nice 17" iMac. Know why? Because it does everything I could ever want it to, thanks to iLife, and Panther, and I don't need a G5, let alone dual G5s. Do you absolutely need DP 1.8s? Do have any remote idea how powerful they are?

Poor you, with a lowly 1.8 GHz G5. Man, that's too bad, you have a horrible machine there. Guess what - in 2 years, when the G6s, or 4 GHz PMs come out, or whatever - a 1.8 GHz G5 machine is still going to be able to do everything it can today and is still going to be a pretty nice machine, all things considered.

Kay, I'm done.... :cool:

Powerbook G5

Nov 22, 2003, 02:55 PM

I for one am happy. I hope to see the dual 1.8 to be low end with the dual 2.0 becoming the middle child by Christmas. Heck, I will be glad to see G5 PowerBooks and speeds in the 3+ Ghz. Sure, I'd wish I had one while I am stuck on a 1.25 GHz G4, but either way, I am happy and in love with my computer and I would be happy to see Apple make a huge performance drive that accelerates so fast that the PC world won't even realize what happened. Someday it will be "You bought a quad 8 GHz G7? I feel sorry for you, they just released the new quad 14 GHz G8 before you got home from the Apple Store." Much better than your PC friend saying "Haha, my computer is three times faster than yours. Suck to be you."

Rezet

Nov 22, 2003, 03:10 PM

Originally posted by Powerbook G5
I for one am happy. I hope to see the dual 1.8 to be low end with the dual 2.0 becoming the middle child by Christmas. Heck, I will be glad to see G5 PowerBooks and speeds in the 3+ Ghz. Sure, I'd wish I had one while I am stuck on a 1.25 GHz G4, but either way, I am happy and in love with my computer and I would be happy to see Apple make a huge performance drive that accelerates so fast that the PC world won't even realize what happened. Someday it will be "You bought a quad 8 GHz G7? I feel sorry for you, they just released the new quad 14 GHz G8 before you got home from the Apple Store." Much better than your PC friend saying "Haha, my computer is three times faster than yours. Suck to be you."

But cmon, PB, you have got a 1.25 PB about 1.5 months ago for like 2500 right?
Wouldn't you feel pissed abit if they released PB 1.5ghz G4 or even G5 today for the same price?
I know how comp world works thanx all. But you all sure can talk cuz you really could care less, knowing that looks like most who are talking here have computers from the 90's...

I kicked the cat.
It hit the wall and now is dead.
I'll put it in a hat and toss it in a china buffet,
Where stevie jobs likes to eat. :D

bousozoku

Nov 22, 2003, 03:46 PM

Originally posted by Rezet
But cmon, PB, you have got a 1.25 PB about 1.5 months ago for like 2500 right?
Wouldn't you feel pissed abit if they released PB 1.5ghz G4 or even G5 today for the same price?
I know how comp world works thanx all. But you all sure can talk cuz you really could care less, knowing that looks like most who are talking here have computers from the 90's...

...

I can sympathise, but isn't it time to give it up?

I bought a WallStreet PowerBook G3/233 when they first arrived. Three months later, they introduced an update to it with 256K L2 cache that was some 30 percent faster.

I bought a dual G4/800 in June 2002. It was a top of the line machine only 6 months earlier. At MacWorld New York, Apple introduced a dual G4/867 at the bottom of the line.

The dual 800 is still a good machine and will still be a decent machine in 2 years' time.

Does Apple owe me anything? No!

Does anyone here cry for me? No!

If I was whining about it, would they tell me to shut up? Yes!

Sun Baked

Nov 22, 2003, 04:04 PM

Originally posted by Rezet
I kicked the cat.
It hit the wall and now is dead.
I'll put it in a hat and toss it in a china buffet,
Where stevie jobs likes to eat. :D More info needed...

Stir fry?

Sweet and sour?

Spicy Kat?

:confused:

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Anyways, I though the Chinese Gardens were selling dog in Edmonton.

So I can see where you'd think you were getting ripped off if you get dog when you expected cat, or cat when you order puppy stir fry.

~Shard~

Nov 22, 2003, 04:14 PM

Originally posted by Rezet
But cmon, PB, you have got a 1.25 PB about 1.5 months ago for like 2500 right?
Wouldn't you feel pissed abit if they released PB 1.5ghz G4 or even G5 today for the same price?
I know how comp world works thanx all. But you all sure can talk cuz you really could care less, knowing that looks like most who are talking here have computers from the 90's...

I for one understand that this is how the computer industry works, so no, I wouldn't be pissed. As I said in my previous post, I will be buying a 17" iMac next week. I also plan on seeing updates in January to them again, whether it be speed bumps to 1.33 or 1.42 GHz, or perhaps a completely new form factor, DDR400 RAM, a G5, and all sorts of cool neat things. Will I be pissed? No. I am buying a Mac that is more than I need, that will do everything I need it to, and will continue to do everything I need it to 1, 2, maybe 3 years down the road.

Having said that, I realize not everyone has the same rational outlook as I do, which is fair enough and I respect that.

~Shard~

Nov 22, 2003, 04:16 PM

Originally posted by Sun Baked
More info needed...

Stir fry?

Sweet and sour?

Spicy Kat?

:confused:

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Anyways, I though the Chinese Gardens were selling dog in Edmonton.

So I can see where you'd think you were getting ripped off if you get dog when you expected cat, or cat when you order puppy stir fry.

I agree with SunBaked - I'd like some more info too please. :D

MattG

Nov 22, 2003, 05:07 PM

Happens to everyone. A week after I received my 30gb iPod, they discontinued it and released a 40gb for the same price.

I still love my 30gb!

Rezet

Nov 22, 2003, 05:10 PM

Originally posted by MattG
Happens to everyone. A week after I received my 30gb iPod, they discontinued it and released a 40gb for the same price.

I still love my 30gb!

Well, a week after, you can return 30 gig and get 40 bro.

In my case, I guess it's better not to think about it.
On the bright side, since not too many 1.8s were sold, maybe they will become sort of like a Cube G4 of the 21st century :) Will be something that is hard to get but still is cool and fast ;)

Well, I'm gonna go kick another cat, if you excuse me.

FightTheFuture

Nov 22, 2003, 05:51 PM

what is with all this cat kicking? i guess this is a good precursor to all those who are saving up for a G5 2ghz dualie. it'll go far down in price soon! i for one can't wait till that machine is in the $2000 price range!

thumper

Nov 22, 2003, 08:26 PM

Apple always does this, i bought a
15"iMac for $2600 canadian,
one month later speed boost and major price drop, i could of got a 17"iMac with a super driver for $50 more !!!

I was soooooo pi$$ed off.

~Shard~

Nov 22, 2003, 08:45 PM

Originally posted by thumper
Apple always does this, i bought a
15"iMac for $2600 canadian,
one month later speed boost and major price drop, i could of got a 17"iMac with a super driver for $50 more !!!

I was soooooo pi$$ed off.

Please refer to my initial post - someone is always going to be affected whenever there is a system change because there will always be someone who just bought the older version. If you know a way around this then please let us all know!

And what do you mean by "Apple always does this" - does what, release new products? Intently watch when Thumper is going to buy a new system and hold back changes just until he buys? :rolleyes:

Them's the breaks!!!

thumper

Nov 22, 2003, 08:56 PM

yes, thats right.. i think they watch me.

but no. i think they should drop prices one month b4 new models come out.

my 15"700mhz iMac was
$2600 sept 2003

one month later: oct 2003

15" 800mhz iMac was
$1999
and 17" 1gig iMac was
$2650

wouldnt you feel ripped off, what a big difference 28 days makes.

it still bugs me today to think about it :(

Thom_Edwards

Nov 22, 2003, 09:41 PM

Originally posted by Powerbook G5
I for one am happy. I hope to see the dual 1.8 to be low end with the dual 2.0 becoming the middle child by Christmas. Heck, I will be glad to see G5 PowerBooks and speeds in the 3+ Ghz.

will you change your named to Powerbook G6 when this happens??? :D

anyway, i bought my 233 imac in october '98, and now dual 1.8 g5s? i'm so pissed right now.

Powerbook G5

Nov 22, 2003, 10:39 PM

I remember when the Pismo came out after I bought my Lombard. Same basic computer, but upgraded with +100 MHz, faster bus, larger RAM ceiling, faster DVD-ROM, bigger HD, Airport, FW...sure, it was everything better than my Lombard in just one revision, but I wasn't pissed. It was my first Mac and a darn good machine. Having Apple update it and render mine low end didn't change the fact that I had a kick ass PowerBook that continued to serve me faithfully for over 4 years without any problems. I anticipate the same thing happening with my current PowerBook. Before too long, it is a given that Apple will update the whole line, possibly with G5s and every imaginable awesome cutting edge piece of technology out there, but that won't render my PowerBook useless, and it will just further solidify my faith in Apple coming out with insanely great products like always. Besides, a few years down the road I will hopefully be able to afford a PowerBook G7 and by then I might be PowerBook G6. ;)

Rezet

Nov 22, 2003, 11:45 PM

Originally posted by Thom_Edwards
will you change your named to Powerbook G6 when this happens??? :D

anyway, i bought my 233 imac in october '98, and now dual 1.8 g5s? i'm so pissed right now.

Ahh, don't play a moron bro. 98 and almost 2004 is a big difference.
But I tell you what is not a big differnce:
September 2003 when 1.8 started to ship and November 2003 when they were discontinued. They didnt slash the prices on 1.8 and not gonna offer any even crappy gift to those who paid for a new computer that was new for 2 months.

kanker

Nov 23, 2003, 12:17 AM

Originally posted by thumper
yes, thats right.. i think they watch me.

but no. i think they should drop prices one month b4 new models come out.
That was the one nice thing about this last round of PB updates, it was obvious that there were new models coming out, and prices were dropped about a month or so before.

thumper

Nov 23, 2003, 12:18 AM

EXACTLY !!!

and thats why i waiting and got a new 17" pb :O)

TigerPRO

Nov 23, 2003, 02:03 AM

Originally posted by Rezet
If I waited 2 months, I could get DUAL 1.8 for the same money I got this single 1.8 g5.
Ohh man, that just screwed my weekend.
I feel ripped off now... Geez, maybe i can sell this 1.8 to get dual???

You didn't get ripped off dude. It's a matter making things better, not worse. The fact that they made them faster and lowered the price is GOOD not BAD. If you happened to purchase one earlier, oh well.

I don't hear old PowerMac G4 owners saying they got ripped off when the G5s came out. They where excited.

aldo

Nov 23, 2003, 07:26 AM

While I agree it's the 'way the computer industry works', Apple is completely different to virtually every other computer producer.

They charge more for the same, or lower spec PCs. They also have a completly closed OS (as in no-one else can run OSX apart from Apple's machines) etc.

I love my Mac and I think it's awesome - but you can't apply the same rule of economics with Apple and 'the computer industry'. If I bought a Single 1.8ghz G5 in the peecee world (I know, it can't happen), and then someone brought out a Dual 1.8 G5 for the same/similar price, I would be able to buy another motherboard, and another CPU. Then I could eBay my old motherboard and get some money back. You can't do this easily (if at all) in the Apple world, so I don't think its fair comparing them.

TigerPRO

Nov 23, 2003, 10:04 AM

Originally posted by aldo
While I agree it's the 'way the computer industry works', Apple is completely different to virtually every other computer producer.

They charge more for the same, or lower spec PCs. They also have a completly closed OS (as in no-one else can run OSX apart from Apple's machines) etc.

I love my Mac and I think it's awesome - but you can't apply the same rule of economics with Apple and 'the computer industry'. If I bought a Single 1.8ghz G5 in the peecee world (I know, it can't happen), and then someone brought out a Dual 1.8 G5 for the same/similar price, I would be able to buy another motherboard, and another CPU. Then I could eBay my old motherboard and get some money back. You can't do this easily (if at all) in the Apple world, so I don't think its fair comparing them.

While that method of operation may seem to be bad, it's actually the very reason their computers are as good as they are.

cubist

Nov 23, 2003, 11:09 AM

Originally posted by aldo
... If I bought a Single 1.8ghz G5 in the peecee world (I know, it can't happen), and then someone brought out a Dual 1.8 G5 for the same/similar price, I would be able to buy another motherboard, and another CPU. ...

Only if you bought a clone. With Dell, HP (Compaq) or Gateway, you can't motherboard swap. With most of these machines, you can't even upgrade the CPU. The ease-of-upgrade myth is so predominant in the PC world, yet it only applies to clone system builders. It does not apply to 95% of the PCs made these days.

Take it to its logical extension: If I have 6-layer PCB capability in my house, anytime ANYTHING new comes out, I can add it to my computer.

Dreadnought

Nov 23, 2003, 11:12 AM

Originally posted by FightTheFuture
what is with all this cat kicking? i guess this is a good precursor to all those who are saving up for a G5 2ghz dualie. it'll go far down in price soon! i for one can't wait till that machine is in the $2000 price range!

Me too! Give or take 2 months!

puffmarvin

Nov 23, 2003, 11:16 AM

i cant believe this!!! i bought the original 400 mhz titanium powerbook with dvd-rom for $2700 and now i can get a 1.6 g5 with a 17 inch screen for the same price... dammit apple... you screwed me. you KNEW you were going to have a faster machine almost 3 years later... you ripped me off... im going to write a letter to steve jobs and tell him i am pissed off that his company upgrades their machines so quickly...

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: yawn :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

TigerPRO

Nov 23, 2003, 11:25 AM

Originally posted by Rezet
Yeah But CMON! 2 months later!? I was hoping on getting something new and so that it would last. I feel that anyone who bought 1.8 now was ripped off. Apple knew ahead they will release dual soon after yet went ahead with single version knowing it will sell out well anyways...

THIS IS BULL!

I don't know if that true, I think it was because of customer demand they decided to release the dual 1.8. Read the press release from Apple and tell me what you think.

I think anyone who buys a single processor G5 is a fool. Ever. "PowerMac" spells dual CPUs. If you want a single CPU computer, buy an iMac.

See

Nov 23, 2003, 11:36 AM

:mad: At least it was two months, for me it was 2 days. I wish they would give discount coupons for software or something when they do this.

aldo

Nov 23, 2003, 11:50 AM

Originally posted by cubist
Only if you bought a clone. With Dell, HP (Compaq) or Gateway, you can't motherboard swap. With most of these machines, you can't even upgrade the CPU. The ease-of-upgrade myth is so predominant in the PC world, yet it only applies to clone system builders. It does not apply to 95% of the PCs made these days.

Eh? Sorry. Do you think Dell, Gateway and HP/Compaq make up 95% of the PC market?! Most PCs are built by small - to medium businesses or individuals.

One very odd thing I've noticed on this forum is that everyone thinks the PC world ends with Dell and HP/Compaq. This is not the case. While PC noobs buy Dell, a hell of a lot of people build them themselves. That's the only reason they are so popular... I can build a fairly kickass PC gaming machine for $500-$700.

Rower_CPU

Nov 23, 2003, 11:58 AM

Originally posted by aldo
Eh? Sorry. Do you think Dell, Gateway and HP/Compaq make up 95% of the PC market?! Most PCs are built by small - to medium businesses or individuals.

One very odd thing I've noticed on this forum is that everyone thinks the PC world ends with Dell and HP/Compaq. This is not the case. While PC noobs buy Dell, a hell of a lot of people build them themselves. That's the only reason they are so popular... I can build a fairly kickass PC gaming machine for $500-$700.

When comparing Macs to other computers, the fairest comparison is to PC manufacturer's offerings.

Mac users aren't ignorant of homebrew PCs. I think many of us have made them ourselves. It's just not the same comparison when discussing model updates.

Sun Baked

Nov 23, 2003, 12:02 PM

Originally posted by aldo
One very odd thing I've noticed on this forum is that everyone thinks the PC world ends with Dell and HP/Compaq. This is not the case. While PC noobs buy Dell, a hell of a lot of people build them themselves. That's the only reason they are so popular... I can build a fairly kickass PC gaming machine for $500-$700. If you want a $500-700 computer, build yourself a PC.

Just because you can build yourself a PC for that amount of money, doesn't mean you should be able to build a Cray supercomputer, Mac, or car for that same amount.

---

Amiga was just about to enter the PPC computer elite, but they are once again fighting for their life. So the chances of them shipping a PPC970 machine looks a tad dim right now (they need to get past their money problems, launch OS 4.0 + AmigaOne combo soon).

You can still build yourself a PPC beige box computer, just don't expect to be able to run Mac OS on it legally.

Heck, the current chipsets for the beige box G4s looks on par with Apple's current offerings. Maybe even a bit ahead in some. And the chipset companies sound like they're hard at work on PPC970 chipsets.

So Apple isn't the only PPC computer company out there...

fraeone

Nov 23, 2003, 12:15 PM

Originally posted by See
:mad: At least it was two months, for me it was 2 days. I wish they would give discount coupons for software or something when they do this.

You have 10 days to return your new Mac and say "I want a dualie instead, thanks"

The fact of the matter is that the Dual 2G machines were outselling the single 1.8s like CRAZY. For those that are unhappy, and want a dual 1.8, ebay your machine! It might cost you an extra $100 or $200 in the end, but surely your last 2-3 months w/ it is worth a couple hundred bucks.

Seriously. Computing is an expensive hobby. We commit ourselves to paying thousands for new hardware, only to see it be obsolete in 2 or 3 years. If you don't like that aspect of it, there are plenty of hobbies that haven't changed at all in the last 100 years.

~Shard~

Nov 23, 2003, 12:39 PM

Originally posted by fraeone
You have 10 days to return your new Mac and say "I want a dualie instead, thanks"

Exactly - quit wasting time complaining in this forum and do something about it. You have 10 days to change your order!

Seriously. Computing is an expensive hobby. We commit ourselves to paying thousands for new hardware, only to see it be obsolete in 2 or 3 years. If you don't like that aspect of it, there are plenty of hobbies that haven't changed at all in the last 100 years.

Precisely - perhaps you would be better suited for a hobby such as stamp collecting or perhaps knitting? :cool:

Rezet

Nov 23, 2003, 03:43 PM

Originally posted by puffmarvin
i cant believe this!!! i bought the original 400 mhz titanium powerbook with dvd-rom for $2700 and now i can get a 1.6 g5 with a 17 inch screen for the same price... dammit apple... you screwed me. you KNEW you were going to have a faster machine almost 3 years later... you ripped me off... im going to write a letter to steve jobs and tell him i am pissed off that his company upgrades their machines so quickly...

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: yawn :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Just for you my friend, let me repeat what I said earlier:
"98 and almost 2004 is a big difference.
But I tell you what is not a big differnce:
September 2003 when 1.8 started to ship and November 2003 when they were discontinued. They didnt slash the prices on 1.8 and not gonna offer any even crappy gift to those who paid for a new computer that was new for 2 months."

Seriously, don't compare apples and oranges. Cheers....

Rower_CPU

Nov 23, 2003, 03:52 PM

So how long of an arbitrary period of time do you want Apple to wait between product releases?

Should Apple handicap their product releases and sit on new technology because people have an irrational desire to own the "latest and greatest" for as long as possible?

You got the computer you needed when you needed it. That's all that matters.

~Shard~

Nov 23, 2003, 04:11 PM

Originally posted by Rower_CPU
So how long of an arbitrary period of time do you want Apple to wait between product releases?

Should Apple handicap their product releases and sit on new technology because people have an irrational desire to own the "latest and greatest" for as long as possible?

You got the computer you needed when you needed it. That's all that matters.

Exactly - how long should Apple wait to meet your personal needs? 3 months? 6 months? Maybe you should send Steve Jobs your personal phone number so he can call you and ask you for your permission when he wants to release new products.

And guess what? There is always going to be someone who just bought a system before it gets updated, and there is no way to avoid this. If you know how Apple can please everyone, please let everyone know!

I can just see it now... MWSF in less than 2 months... Additional speed bumps are going to be annouced for the PowerMacs and then we're going to hear all this whining and complaining again. "Oh man, I just bought a DP 1.8 GHz and now 2 months later, for the same price I could get a DP 2.3 GHz (or whatever is announced) for the same price. Man, Apple screwed me over!" :rolleyes:

After all, heaven forbid Apple should stay competitive and release new technology as soon as they can, whether it be 2 months, 6 months, or 2 weeks apart.

I completely agree with Rower_CPU - you got the computer you needed when you needed it and that's all that matters. Is your computer broken now? Will it not do the tasks you purchased it for anymore? Poor you and a lowly 1.8 GHz G5, I feel sorry for you... :rolleyes:

The simple fact is that you personally didn't need a DP machine - otherwise, you would've bought a DP 2.0 GHz. So now why are you complaining that you don't have a DP? Some people are never satisfied.

Rezet

Nov 23, 2003, 04:47 PM

Originally posted by ~Shard~
Exactly - how long should Apple wait to meet your personal needs? 3 months? 6 months? Maybe you should send Steve Jobs your personal phone number so he can call you and ask you for your permission when he wants to release new products.

And guess what? There is always going to be someone who just bought a system before it gets updated, and there is no way to avoid this. If you know how Apple can please everyone, please let everyone know!

I can just see it now... MWSF in less than 2 months... Additional speed bumps are going to be annouced for the PowerMacs and then we're going to hear all this whining and complaining again. "Oh man, I just bought a DP 1.8 GHz and now 2 months later, for the same price I could get a DP 2.3 GHz (or whatever is announced) for the same price. Man, Apple screwed me over!" :rolleyes:

After all, heaven forbid Apple should stay competitive and release new technology as soon as they can, whether it be 2 months, 6 months, or 2 weeks apart.

I completely agree with Rower_CPU - you got the computer you needed when you needed it and that's all that matters. Is your computer broken now? Will it not do the tasks you purchased it for anymore? Poor you and a lowly 1.8 GHz G5, I feel sorry for you... :rolleyes:

The simple fact is that you personally didn't need a DP machine - otherwise, you would've bought a DP 2.0 GHz. So now why are you complaining that you don't have a DP? Some people are never satisfied.

LOL you sure can talk cuz you didn't get 1.8. Frankly, If i was sitting with some 450 G3, i'd be on your side too, people. "WOW how great apple is moving forward so fast..."
But what pisses me that they knew they will release dual right after single to just make MONEY. Not to shock you or anything but apple is there for the money. :rolleyes:
They knew exactly, after they sell mid level model and sales slow down, they would introduce dual model right away for those who couldn't afford 2.0...
And geez, even if they offered 1.8 users like a 30 bucks itunes gift certificate as a gift, i wouldnt be that upset.

I want to hear what 1.8 owners have to say, not 450mhz g3 owners...

P.S. They didn't just introduce the new model. I woudn't be too hard on them if it was the case. But what pissed me wa sthat they discontinued 1.8 single G5 all together, frankly right after sales slowed down and people couldn't bring back their G5's back. Put it this way. 1.8 lived exactly 2 months. Now, ebay is the place to find one if wanted...
Talk about CUBE's short life...
:rolleyes:

Rower_CPU

Nov 23, 2003, 05:06 PM

Originally posted by Rezet
...
But what pisses me that they knew they will release dual right after single to just make MONEY.
...

Dude, you keep saying that, but you have absolutely no proof to back it up that you've shown here.

Of course sales slowed after the initial rush. Maybe Apple was just waiting on more quantities of 1.8s from IBM. Maybe duals were planned to start with but it just didn't happen.

The point is, I doubt anyone on this forum knows for sure. If you have proof show it. It's time to "put up or shut up".

jxyama

Nov 23, 2003, 05:20 PM

this discussion is dumb. what does discontinuation has to do with resale value? were you really going to sell your single 1.8 now? because in a few years, when you are really likely to sell it, the market value would have settled by then, regardless of it being discontinued or not or when the dual 1.8 was released.

when you purchased your 1.8, there was no guarantee from apple that they will not release a better product for the same price or the same product for cheaper price in the near future. while you have a valid complaint that the shipment of 1.8 was delayed, you have no ground to make claim about being ripped off.

the original 17" PB was announced in jan. they didn't ship in decent amount until 3 to 4 months after that. and guess what, the price dropped by $300 soon after that.

jxyama

Nov 23, 2003, 05:25 PM

Originally posted by Rezet
P.S. They didn't just introduce the new model. I woudn't be too hard on them if it was the case. But what pissed me wa sthat they discontinued 1.8 single G5 all together, frankly right after sales slowed down and people couldn't bring back their G5's back. Put it this way. 1.8 lived exactly 2 months. Now, ebay is the place to find one if wanted...
Talk about CUBE's short life...
:rolleyes:

don't even tell me that you'd be happier if they had kept the 1.8 GHz, but sold it at $2100, about halfway between 1.6 and dual 1.8...

Rezet

Nov 23, 2003, 05:29 PM

Originally posted by jxyama
don't even tell me that you'd be happier if they had kept the 1.8 GHz, but sold it at $2100, about halfway between 1.6 and dual 1.8...

What would be wrong with that?

Rezet

Nov 23, 2003, 05:32 PM

Originally posted by Rower_CPU
Dude, you keep saying that, but you have absolutely no proof to back it up that you've shown here.

Of course sales slowed after the initial rush. Maybe Apple was just waiting on more quantities of 1.8s from IBM. Maybe duals were planned to start with but it just didn't happen.

The point is, I doubt anyone on this forum knows for sure. If you have proof show it. It's time to "put up or shut up".

rower, i don't have physical proof of it, but believe it or not my father is closely affiliated with this chip producing industry and he can tell you that companies have very clear plans about their chips up to a YEAR ahead! and I mean clear.
I don't know what apple could and could not do. But if you use common sense, and put 2 and 2 together, considering that apple is there for the money and not for being your friend, everything i say about their 1.8 releasing - adds up.

XnavxeMiyyep

Nov 23, 2003, 05:45 PM

Right, Apple is in it for the money. Sure, they like to innovate, but they are a company. Anyway, I bought a Dual 867 G4 with some extra RAM and a Superdrive for ~$2000 when I knew that the G5 was going to be out in a few months. Why did I do that? Because I needed a new computer, my iMac G3 was just too slow to run OS X 10.1. Am I upset? No. I needed a Powermac, and I got one.

MacNut

Nov 23, 2003, 05:46 PM

Back in 1996 I got a PM6500/225 otherwise known as a G2, a few months later Apple released the G3 my computer wont even run any version of OSX so if you thing you got screwed you can atleast run up to date operating system, im stuck with this paper weight. If i only waited a few months longer but who new back then that OSX would only run on a G3 and beyond. Luckly i will be buying a new 15" PB in a few days so my years of being ripped off will be over. :)

Rezet

Nov 23, 2003, 05:53 PM

Originally posted by MacNut
Back in 1996 I got a PM6500/225 otherwise known as a G2, a few months later Apple released the G3 my computer wont even run any version of OSX so if you thing you got screwed you can atleast run up to date operating system, im stuck with this paper weight. If i only waited a few months longer but who new back then that OSX would only run on a G3 and beyond. Luckly i will be buying a new 15" PB in a few days so my years of being ripped off will be over. :)

heh, yeah it sux too. but i mean atleast when it approaches end of a cycle, you buy at your own risk. But who could have seen this coming with 1.8s?
They did right with the powerbooks, lowered prices in june, so people know new updates are coming but if u want a decent laptop now for less, you can get it today...