which G4 is which?

[Ipyro24]

I bought a G4 and the instructions don't tell which one it is (ex, Sawtooth, quicksilve) my G4 is the graphite one it has a 400 MHz 100 MHz system bus AGP graphics Auido in port ( i don't know if its the saw tooth or gigabit ethernet or digital auido) how do i know if my machiene has a gigabit ethernet (the instruuctions wern't clear)

thanks,
Karl

[MacBandit]

Originally posted by Ipyro24
I bought a G4 and the instructions don't tell which one it is (ex, Sawtooth, quicksilve) my G4 is the graphite one it has a 400 MHz 100 MHz system bus AGP graphics Auido in port ( i don't know if its the saw tooth or gigabit ethernet or digital auido) how do i know if my machiene has a gigabit ethernet (the instruuctions wern't clear)

thanks,
Karl

There are ways of telling but the easiest is the Yikes came with a short keyboard with no 10key and the Sawtooth came with a 10key.

Information all all Apple computers can be found at.

www.everymac.com

[Judo]

Correct me if I'm wrong someone but that there's a sawtooth.

[Judo]

If you look on the back by the serial # it has a little blurb about the computers components (eg. 400mhz/128MB/CD/15G ) if you had gigabit ethernet it will say something like GigEthernet by that serial number, or you could use the system profiler.

[amnesiac1984]

these names you speak won't appear in the instructions because they are not the offical apple names. Apple has called evey powermac G4 since it was invented the PowerMac G4. Some of these names like sawtooth and yikes are the engineers codenames for htem wheras others liek MDD/GigEthernet/Digital Audio are just names people came up with on boards like this!

You have a sawtooth, 400mhz was the first batch of G4's but agp means it is not a yikes.

[revenuee]

Originally posted by amnesiac1984
these names you speak won't appear in the instructions because they are not the offical apple names. Apple has called evey powermac G4 since it was invented the PowerMac G4. Some of these names like sawtooth and yikes are the engineers codenames for htem wheras others liek MDD/GigEthernet/Digital Audio are just names people came up with on boards like this!

You have a sawtooth, 400mhz was the first batch of G4's but agp means it is not a yikes.

agreed ... mine is 400 AGP ... and it's SawTooth ... Yikes had PCI graphics did it not?

there was something about the way the ports on the back are set up makes it easy to ID ... run a search in google ...

[benixau]

Actually most names are apple sanctioned at least. Just check their KBase. Thge MDD, FW800 Yosemite are all "offiicial" names.

[blue&whiteman]

the yikes G4 was identical to a blue and white G3 rev. 2 exept that it had a G4 cpu rather than a G3 and a gray case rather than a blue. the logic board, graphics slot (66MHz PCI) and everything but the cpu were identical. if your system has agp graphics and is a 400 then it is 100% a sawtooth.

[blue&whiteman]

forgot to mention that the sawtooth is a good one to buy because you can get 1.4GHz G4 upgrades for them at around $500

[blue&whiteman]

here is an Other World Computing lineup of upgrades that will work in your sawtooth. I recomend the sonnet ones as my experience with the one I have has been nothing but good.

http://eshop.macsales.com/MyOWC/Upgrades.cfm?model=164&type=Processor&TI=%23TimeFormat%28Now%28%29%2C+&shoupgrds=Show+Upgrades

[ebow]

Originally posted by MacBandit
There are ways of telling but the easiest is the Yikes came with a short keyboard with no 10key and the Sawtooth came with a 10key.

Information all all Apple computers can be found at.

www.everymac.com

10key? What the blarg's a 10key? The numeric pad? All Macs keyboards have had one for years... :confused:

Gotta agree about EveryMac.com, though--great resource.

[sonofslim]

http://www.vitamin-j.org/10key.gif

[bousozoku]

You could just look on the back of the machine for a model number like this: M8359LL/A. Then, go to the Apple support site, enter it, and search for the manual to get all the details.

[Doraemon]

PowerMac G4 info (http://www.theapplemuseum.com/index.php?id=tam&page=personal&subpage=pmg4)

[MacBandit]

Originally posted by ebow
10key? What the blarg's a 10key? The numeric pad? All Macs keyboards have had one for years... :confused:

Gotta agree about EveryMac.com, though--great resource.

A 10key is the number pad to the right of the normal alphabetic keyboard. It contains 0-9 in that order from bottom.

The B/W G3s and Yikes PowerMacs did not have one on the keyboard. They had the same keyboard as the iMacs had which was basically a Powerbook layout.

I had remember that the Yikes didn't have AGP as well but the Everymac.com website included AGP with both Yikes and Sawtooth. Guess someone should notify them of the error.

[Dreadnought]

Download Mactracker from download.com. Unfortunately the maker of the program has stopped updating it, but it has a lot of info about macs and mac pheriphals. Including the codenames and startup chimes of macs in that database! You can easily compare machines with it!

[Toeknee]

Dang Dreadnought you beat me to the post! Yeah its a shame that they stopped updating MacTracker its such a cool app.

[MacBandit]

Originally posted by Dreadnought
Download Mactracker from download.com. Unfortunately the maker of the program has stopped updating it, but it has a lot of info about macs and mac pheriphals. Including the codenames and startup chimes of macs in that database! You can easily compare machines with it!

Actually MacTracker is still being updated. There was an update as of November 1st to add the iBook G4s the new eMacs and to fix some bugs.

http://www.versiontracker.com/dyn/moreinfo/macosx/10816

[ebow]

Originally posted by MacBandit
A 10key is the number pad to the right of the normal alphabetic keyboard. It contains 0-9 in that order from bottom.

The B/W G3s and Yikes PowerMacs did not have one on the keyboard. They had the same keyboard as the iMacs had which was basically a Powerbook layout.


Not trying to be rude or beligerent, just checking that we're talking about the same thing... Are you talking about the keyboard shown at the top of this image (http://www.zdnet.co.jp/macwire/0209/12/s_emac06.jpg) ?

What's missing are full-sized keys for the inverted-T arrow keys and Insert, Home, etc... Waaaaaay back in the Quadra/LC days, those keyboards may not have had number pads (I forget).

[MacBandit]

Originally posted by ebow
Not trying to be rude or beligerent, just checking that we're talking about the same thing... Are you talking about the keyboard shown at the top of this image (http://www.zdnet.co.jp/macwire/0209/12/s_emac06.jpg) ?

What's missing are full-sized keys for the inverted-T arrow keys and Insert, Home, etc... Waaaaaay back in the Quadra/LC days, those keyboards may not have had number pads (I forget).

Dang, I lived with the thing everyday for 3 years and I forgot that it wasn't the keypad it was missing. Silly me, my mistake I admit it.:rolleyes:

[ebow]

Originally posted by MacBandit
Dang, I lived with the thing everyday for 3 years and I forgot that it wasn't the keypad it was missing. Silly me, my mistake I admit it.:rolleyes:

:D You're probably just repressing the experience... Although I always loved the tactile response I got from those keyboards--my fingers could fly (fairly accurately) over them, better than pretty much any other keyboard I've used.

[Ipyro24]

thankyou every one for your help and now i know that what i have is a sawtooth, so is it fairly upgradeable and what processor upgrade chip brand is better. thanks again

[Ipyro24]

i just reed that the sawtooth dosn't have the 20somethin volt thingy for a monitor. but my monitor plugs into the computer with out a powercord jsut the vido card i cheaked system profiler and its 400 mhz and it has agp graphics so i don't know if its sawtooth

[MacBandit]

Originally posted by Ipyro24
i just reed that the sawtooth dosn't have the 20somethin volt thingy for a monitor. but my monitor plugs into the computer with out a powercord jsut the vido card i cheaked system profiler and its 400 mhz and it has agp graphics so i don't know if its sawtooth

You definitely have a Sawtooth. I'm not sure what you are talking about when you refer to the 20volt thingy.

[MacBandit]

Originally posted by ebow
:D You're probably just repressing the experience... Although I always loved the tactile response I got from those keyboards--my fingers could fly (fairly accurately) over them, better than pretty much any other keyboard I've used.

I liked that keyboard too even more then the current pro keyboard. Though I found it hard to live without the full extended keyboard. My favorite keyboard was the one that came with my Peforma 600. It was built like a tank but handled like a dream. I used it with 3 other computers over 7 years.

[Ipyro24]

AGP capable Macintosh required to use this card. To use the ADC connector, you must have a Power Macintosh Gigabit Ethernet or later system. AGP based "Sawtooth" machines do not have the physical logic board connection for the 28v output required. The DVI port will still function normally in all AGP systems

[MacBandit]

Originally posted by Ipyro24
AGP capable Macintosh required to use this card. To use the ADC connector, you must have a Power Macintosh Gigabit Ethernet or later system. AGP based "Sawtooth" machines do not have the physical logic board connection for the 28v output required. The DVI port will still function normally in all AGP systems

So your saying you have a ADC monitor connected to this PowerMac?

[Ipyro24]

i don't know what adc is
but my system is 400mhz and agp
my monitor connects to the computer with one cable and thats it its a crt the one right before the flat panel lcd ones

[MacBandit]

Originally posted by Ipyro24
i don't know what adc is
but my system is 400mhz and agp
my monitor connects to the computer with one cable and thats it its a crt the one right before the flat panel lcd ones

Is it an Apple display? So the monitor itself doesn't have a power cord just one cord coming off of it that connects to the computer?

[Ipyro24]

ya its a apple monitor it one cord goes to the computer
i push on and it works

[MacBandit]

Originally posted by Ipyro24
ya its a apple monitor it one cord goes to the computer
i push on and it works

Don't worry about it. It's a Sawtooth end of story. If it were a later model it would have a higher CPU speed. If it has a video card in it that supports AGP then that's great.

[blue&whiteman]

the sawtooth only has 2x agp though. just a small step up from the 66mhz pci graphics slot in blue and white G3 and yikes G4. 66mhz pci graphics is essentially agp 1x. you can get better video cards for agp 2x though. the radeon 7000 was the only choice I had as its the only currently produced pci video card for mac but at least it supports dual monitors.

[MacBandit]

Originally posted by blue&whiteman
the sawtooth only has 2x agp though. just a small step up from the 66mhz pci graphics slot in blue and white G3 and yikes G4. 66mhz pci graphics is essentially agp 1x. you can get better video cards for agp 2x though. the radeon 7000 was the only choice I had as its the only currently produced pci video card for mac but at least it supports dual monitors.

Yeah, any current retail AGP video card will work in an AGP 2x slot. I would just get an ATI9000 as anything faster would be a waste since it would be saturating the 2x AGP bus.