[Canada / Rogers] Petitions / ruinediphone / letter writing campaign / Merged Thread

[Project-79]

ModNote: This thread is the result of merging several different threads that promote various forms of consumer activism in response to the Rogers plans announced for the iPhone 3G in Canada. Please use this thread for all further discussion; do not create any more threads on this topic. Thanks. --mkrishnan

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Please, even if you are not Canadian, fill out the below form for Rogers Wireless:

http://www.competitionbureau.gc.ca/epic/site/cb-bc.nsf/en/01260e.html

Brief Story:

Rogers Wireless is over charging Canadians with extremely high prices. On top of all this, they do not even OFFER an unlimited data plan (2gb is the MAX they are letting canadians use). Here's the web site for the plans:

http://www.rogers.com/web/content/wireless-products/iphone_voice_data_packages

Thanks to anyone who filled out the form.

EDIT: Also the petition at http://www.ruinediphone.com/dearsteve.php.

P-79

[citron230]

Wow that does seem pricey. I dont want to hear anyone complain about AT&T prices anymore.

[touchyphone]

I think the pricing(s) have everyone in a tizzy, you do realize just because you want an iPhone, you dont HAVE to buy one, right?? I mean, isnt that the best form of a boycott? Not buying the product? I guarantee you letter writing or petition signing wont do anything...just my .02

[Project-79]

Another site:

http://www.petitiononline.com/iPhone99/petition.html

Thanks for the support guys!!!

P-79

[Project-79]

There is hope by sending in forms. Look at this e-mail someone received earlier:

Dear XXXXXX XXXXXX,

Thank you for taking the time to write to us, we appreciate your use of
online customer service.

In your recent email, you have informed us that you are not happy with
the price plans that Rogers is offering with the Iphone.

Rogers price plans for the Iphone are just the preliminary pricing and
could change depending on Rogers customer needs and wants. You can keep
checking the Rogers web site for lunch and the final price plan offers.

We are pleased to have been able to address your inquiry. For
additional information, please visit our website at www.rogers.com.

You are a valued customer and we thank you for your business.

For future email correspondence with respect to this e-mail, please
quote reference number
Regards,
Marc C.
Rogers Online Customer Service
http://www.rogers.com

[Xyl]

Also the petition at www.f**kyourogers.com

Replace the asterisks (*) with the obvious letters.

[queshy]

I really hope you are right and that the plans are indeed preliminary.

*w00t! 1900 posts.

[dZp]

You can keep checking the Rogers web site for lunch
Rogers, catering for all your needs.
:D

[SFStateStudent]

Gawd, I'm filling out the Bureau Form, but it takes forever to get to the "Contact Us" page on the rogers website. I need the info on the Rogers Wireless Co. so I can fill in the blanks. (I keep getting Error 404 when I try to submit the form):eek:

[Nicholas.C]

What? 60$ for 150 minutes?!?! Thats bad!!

[yyy]

Oh, come on, I'd happily switch places with you - at least you're getting an official iPhone release. In Israel they'll have to import a $788 unlocked iPhone from a foreign country + pay for import taxes + have to jailbreak the iPhone so it'll be possible to use it with the local language + they'll have no insurance or warranty (unless they get back to the foreign country where they bought the phone from). If the phone breaks or malfunctions there will be no one around to fix it except for a few amateur technicians who charge extremely high fees for an unprofessional work.

[Project-79]

Gawd, I'm filling out the Bureau Form, but it takes forever to get to the "Contact Us" page on the rogers website. I need the info on the Rogers Wireless Co. so I can fill in the blanks. (I keep getting Error 404 when I try to submit the form):eek:

I would like to personnally thank you for filling out the form since I can see you aren't Canadian.

Thanks for spending some of your time and helping us out!

P-79

[SFStateStudent]

I would like to personnally thank you for filling out the form since I can see you aren't Canadian. Thanks for spending some of your time and helping us out! P-79

Pleasure's all mine. I look at those borders as invisible anyway! :cool:

[Project-79]

Here is an open letter to Steve:

http://www.ruinediphone.com/dearsteve.php

[Project-79]

Though, nothing will happen until, at earliest, Monday.

[drchipinski]

Wow that does seem pricey. I dont want to hear anyone complain about AT&T prices anymore.

Competition is a good thing...Sprint charges $15 for data...no reason ATT or VZW is near $40/month

[MV ROB]

Competition is a good thing...Sprint charges $15 for data...no reason ATT or VZW is near $40/month


YAH i really wish ATT would have a truely everything plan starting at $69 and going on up to $99 like sprint does. Im on a family plan with ATT and it will cost me about 150 or more for 550 minutes, 1000 each text and unlmited internet. sprint it is $129 for 1500 minutes and truely unlimited everything else including GPS. I have been with ATT for 10 years now, stayed with them when Cingular did their thing with them. And i have continuely seen them get less competitive. I guess we got rollover (big deal if you ask me) i could care a less about rollover minutes, if i dont use them...i dont need them. id rather have lower date plans for all phones, better text plans (include them with all data plans). I for one would like to see ATT offer more rate plan selections and data selections. Seems like most carriers give a little more selection than ATT. Maybe offer different plans to those of us who dont care about rollover minutes

Anyways...im glad im not with Rogers lol. I see now it could be worse!! Best of luck with yall up there! I dont see ATT doing anythign but raising rates and cutting services. I would LOVE to see the iphone released for other carriers other than GSM. Nothing better than some good competition

[citron230]

competition is indeed a good thing, but I personally do not think ATT is as overpriced as others seem to think. I have been with them since PacBell Wireless and Cingular. I personally like the rollover minutes. My current voice plan is 450 a month and it is perfect for me. I have over 1100 minutes on my rollover bank. Most people I call are on ATT so I have free mobile to mobile.

[Project-79]

The web site has been changed from www.****yourogers.com to:

www.ruinediphone.com

[Donelop]

Everyone Please sign this petition even if your not from canada. The company thats going to sell the iphone in canada is giving us the worst plan in history (400 mbs for 60 dollars). This is the biggest letdown to every one waiting patiently for the iphone and now we must do something about it.

http://ruinediphone.com/

We all ready have 11,240 sigs

Thanks to all who help.

http://ruinediphone.com/

[PoitNarf]

You honestly can't believe that petitions, let alone online petitions accomplish much of anything.

Your best bet is to vote with your wallet. If no one buys then they'll have to reduce the cost.

Having many people write letters to whatever your Canadian equivalent of a Congressman or Senator would probably help as well. Enough calmly and well worded letters might get some wheels rolling to end Rogers rule of terror.

[jasko]

They know it sucks, but they also know that people want the iPhone; bad. So, even with the crappy plan, people will get it anyway.

[cis4life]

agreed,

simply saying that "Rogers Suck" and then going out and buying the phone anyway is pointless and will only have them laughing at you.

Speak with your wallets, boycott the iphone and rogers and see how fast they drop those data plans


I signed your petition anyways, i hope it helps

[JonHimself]

I'll continue to agree with everyone that says speak with your wallets but it is a big battle. I think that the petition and protest webs-sites will get media attention (at the very least, a lot of blog attention) which will just raise awareness of the problem... it's a start

[nurfen]

Worst plan in history? I take it you haven't heard of the available plans in Sweden?

I just converted the currency from SEK to CAD:
"iMini": 50 CAD (299 SEK) for: 100 minutes, 100 SMS, 100 MB (!!!!!!)
"iMidi": 83 CAD (489 SEK) for: 250 minutes, 250 SMS, 250 MB
"iMaxi": 145 CAD (859 SEK) for: 1000 minutes, 1000 SMS, 1000 MB

These monthly prices are for 18 or 24 months, depending on how much you want to pay for your phone. If you choose iMaxi and 24 months signup, and the 16 GB iPhone, you still get to pay 135 CAD to get the phone. 8 GB costs 1 SEK though, if you choose the most expensive signup. LOL... Apple should sue them.

:(

... but I'm still getting an iPhone on the 11:th. Of course.

[protekt0r]

This is the standard MO for all Canadian wireless and ISPs. Canada has a weak telecom competition market because of lack of competition. If Canada would allow American companies to easily operate there Canadians would be a lot better off.

Although it looks like Americans telecos might be switching to limited bandwidth plans too (TWC for example)

[crees!]

This and all those links on Digg to "FUrogers.com" are really, well... annoying and obnoxious to say the least.

[DreamPod]

Look, online petitions do nothing. At all. You want to be taken seriously, you need to get a LOT of Canadian people to

#1. Don't buy an iPhone 3G
#2. Send a letter (not an email, a snail-mail letter) to both Rogers and Apple explaining that you aren't buying an iPhone 3G though you would be thrilled to have one, and explaining WHY you aren't buying it. And that, should the situation change, you would be happy to purchase an iPhone 3G and sign up for service.

[JonHimself]

This and all those links on Digg to "FUrogers.com" are really, well... annoying and obnoxious to say the least.

Why is that?

[Donelop]

You honestly can't believe that petitions, let alone online petitions accomplish much of anything.

Your best bet is to vote with your wallet. If no one buys then they'll have to reduce the cost.

Having many people write letters to whatever your Canadian equivalent of a Congressman or Senator would probably help as well. Enough calmly and well worded letters might get some wheels rolling to end Rogers rule of terror.

Well it might help. It already got the medias attention.

[salamence502]

Sheesh, it won't kill you to sign a petition. You never know, it might help, it did help with the Canadian DCMA Copyright law.

It won't hurt to try to get Rogers to lower their fees.

[Hoopdy]

Done and done. We shouldn't have to stand for Roger's outrageous pricing. We've gotten the short end of the stick for quite some time and the iPhone was supposed to change that for regular data plans and blackberry plans. Well we saw a price-slice(far from a full cut) but it isn't enough because to get anywhere close to unlimited - highest is 2gb - will cost over $110.

Sign!

[RASHID007]

I have sorted through dozens of forums, blogs, and websites to collect the following information.

If we are to make a difference our complaints must have an impact. If you can, try the following:

1. Avoid buying the new iPhone from Rogers/Fido (if only for a few days/weeks)
2. Copy the information I've gathered below into an e-mail to all your contacts asking them to please read and forward it on.
3. Contact some and/or all of the people below and politely let them know how you feel about the situation.
4. If you own any Rogers stock sell it off starting Monday so they can feel the dip.
5. Copy the information below into a word or other document and print off a few dozen copies. Then on your way to work/school on July 11th make sure you stop by the lineups at Rogers/Apple stores and hand them out (from the public sidewalk) so people know they're about to get ripped off for voice/data etc. Between all of us we could cover thousands of locations and really make the news with the issue.
6. Post the below information (or a link to this thread) on every blog, forum, newsgroup you know of or can think of.

Rogers Voice & Data Plans for the iPhone (http://www.rogers.com/web/content/wireless-products/iphone_voice_data_packages)

UK vs. US vs. Canada iPhone Comparison (http://apeatling.files.wordpress.com/2008/06/iphone3gcosts21.png)

Now to Compare Apples to Apples…Rogers costs $247.47/month after adjustments
- 300 less daytime minutes at $0.35/minute is $105.00/month in overage charges
- Starting Evenings/Weekends at 6pm to match is $7/month extra
- Data Overage is $0.50/MB over 400MB so $30/month extra for even 60MB overage
- Text Messages are 125 less so add Rogers $10/month unlimited text - Call Display is $7/month extra
That is roughly $180/month extra to make the plans balance.

This math forces a Canadian iPhone user to go up to the next plan and even then the iPhone in Canada costs $75+$20+$7.45 = $102.45/month plus tax = $115.77/month and you still don't have unlimited data or as many daytime minutes.

Rogers…give Canadian Wireless customers fair plans that compete with the rest of the 1st world countries. Or at least let us keep our current plans and add unlimited data for $30/month like your Canadian (Telus/Bell) and US (AT&T) competitors.

COMPARISONS

Telus Mobility - unlimited data $30/month (all smart phones)

Bell Mobility - unlimited data HTC Touch $7/month
unlimited data $30/month (all smart phones)

Rogers/Fido - 300MB limit $30/month (all smart phones – EXCEPT iPhone)
1GB limit $60/month (all smart phones – EXCEPT iPhone)

CNN Money: Rogers + iPhone = Ruined
http://apple20.blogs.fortune.cnn.com/2008/06/29/9000-canadians-petition-steve-jobs-for-iphone-rate-relief/

Sign the Petition
http://www.ruinediphone.com/

WHY?

Why can’t iPhone users keep their existing plan and add a data package to it?
Why do Telus and Bell give UNLIMITED data for $30/month and Rogers/Fido have limits?
Why do the new iPhone plans have reduced daytime minutes and stripped features?
Why can't iPhone users get family plans?
Why can't iPhone users get Megatime plans?
Why can't iPhone users get Mega incoming plans?
Why can't iPhone users get Business plans?

ROGERS – CONTACT INFO
Here is the contact information for a few of the top people at Rogers.
Please email them, politely, to express the disappointment you feel with the new iPhone voice & data plans

NAME, DEPARTMENT, NUMBER, E-MAIL

Elizabeth Hamilton, Corporate Communications, 416-935-8710, elizabeth.hamilton@rci.rogers.com
Bruce M. Mann, Investment Contact, bruce.mann@rci.rogers.com;
Eric A. Wright, Investment Contact, ric.wright@rci.rogers.com;
Jan Innes, Corporate and Media, jan.innes@rci.rogers.com;
Heather Armstrong, Wireless, heather.armstrong@rci.rogers.com
Suzanne McMeans, Rogers Wireless Relations, suzanne.mcmeans@rci.rogers.com
Robert Bruce, President of Rogers Wireless, robert.bruce@rci.rogers.com
Nadir Mohamed, President and CEO of Rogers, nadir.mohamed@rci.rogers.com
Ted Rogers, trogers@rci.rogers.com
J Innes, Vice President, jinnes@rci.rogers.com
Jane Haitsma, Customer Relations Executive, jhaitsma@rci.rogers.com
Dan Coombes, Investor Relations, 416-935-3550, dan.coombes@rci.rogers.com
Deborah Deroche, Investor Relations, 416-935-3551, deborah.deroche@rci.rogers.com

SKIP REGULAR *611 CUSTOMER SERVICE COMPAIN TO THE CANCELATION/RETENTIONS DEPARTMENT - DIRECT NUMBERS
Fido: 1 888 259 3436 / Rogers: 1 888 936 7283

APPLE – CONTACT INFO
Here is the contact information for a few of the top people at Apple that need to know what Rogers has done to their revolutionary product.

NAME DEPARTMENT NUMBER E-MAIL

Simon Atkins Canadian Media Relations satkins@apple.com
Steve Dowling US Media Relations 408-974-1896 dowling@apple.com
Katie Cotton VP Communications katiec@apple.com

Apple iPhone Feedback
http://www.apple.com/feedback/iphone.html

Competition Bureau Canada – Let the Government know you’re not happy that Canadians pay more for cell phone data than many third world countries.
http://www.competitionbureau.gc.ca/epic/site/cb-bc.nsf/en/01260e.html

Contact your Member of Parliament here:
http://www2.parl.gc.ca/Parlinfo/Com...e.aspx?Menu=HOC

Digg.com
http://digg.com/apple/Rogers_you_ruined_my_iPhone_dream

Bill C-555 GET CONNECTED FAIRLY ACT
Petition - Canadian consumers pay on average 33% more for cell phone use than American consumers
http://www.davidmcguinty.com/english/Take_Action/Petition_The_House/Petition_C_555_Frais_d_acces.html

[Hoopdy]

Very informative. Thanks for posting...already signed, though.

We should get this stickied or at least get MacRumors to run a article.

[Mo0st]

wowws !! Very nice planned out and informative :)).. Would help out but live in usa :)))... Yea awws u got me hyped up though I saw " protest" and thought there'd would be a march...:(... Lmao yup goood luck and I too understand u guys need the unlimitted data :))

[Hoopdy]

wowws !! Very nice planned out and informative :)).. Would help out but live in usa :)))... Yea awws u got me hyped up though I saw " protest" and thought there'd would be a march...:(... Lmao yup goood luck and I too understand u guys need the unlimitted data :))

Even if you`re American you can still sign to support the cause. Thanks from all us Canadians.

[s8film40]

I think you got the right idea, to making an impact. Actually being there at the store in person will be much more effective than these online petitions. The iPhone release is sure to garner a lot of press attention and if you can convert the news headlines from "iPhone now available in Canada" to "outrageous iPhone prices" you might just see a change. Even if Rogers doesn't care Apple may not want to see there name tarnished for the benefit of a Canadian cell company.

What are the overages charges anyway for data. This was one thing that generated a lot of bad press was the international data because the iPhone can use so much more data than other phones. A few stories of thousand dollar or more phone bills certainly does it's part to scare consumers away.

[marksman]

iPhone 3G- Only for People who can AFFORD to be cool.

None of those other places have an iPhone. It is apples and oranges.

It is like when someone in the US talks about their super cheap Sprint plan. Sprint gives their service away because they suck and would not have any customers if they did not charge half the price of anyone else. Combine that with them not having a phone comparable to the iPhone and it is not valid.

Same goes here.

They know they have an advantage of having a distinct product that a lot of people want, and regardless of the message board protests, I suspect lots of iPhones will be sold in Canada.

[citron230]

Lots of information. Ive signed the online petition but I don't know how effective they really are.

[Hoopdy]

iPhone 3G- Only for People who can AFFORD to be cool.

None of those other places have an iPhone. It is apples and oranges.

It is like when someone in the US talks about their super cheap Sprint plan. Sprint gives their service away because they suck and would not have any customers if they did not charge half the price of anyone else. Combine that with them not having a phone comparable to the iPhone and it is not valid.

Same goes here.

They know they have an advantage of having a distinct product that a lot of people want, and regardless of the message board protests, I suspect lots of iPhones will be sold in Canada.

It`s the pricing, not necessarily the product. The iPhone was supposed to bring change to data plan pricing in Canada so that we could see comparable rates to Telus and Bell who currently offer Unlimited Data.

Consider this:

Of the 14,000+ people that have signed the petition so far, I`m willing to bet at least 11,000 are Canadian. Look at the plans and you can see the average is around $87.50 for the plans.

$87.50x12(months of the year)
$1050x3(length of contract)
$3150x11,000(approx. amount of people that have signed petition and are Canadian)

Total: $34, 650, 000 lost in sales.

This could also be a make or break for future exclusivity it gets with any products from Apple, as well.

[Sobe]

The best message to send is if no one buys it.

That is what will force them to change.

That's pretty unlikely to happen though. People prefer to agree to the terms then complain.

[taran420]

i did sign the petition and i AM speaking with my wallet and not buying the iphone...i had been waiting pateintly since last year for it to come to Canada, an now i am not in the position to buy it because of that MF Ted Rogers who wants more and more

[kthacher]

This is great, but I think it overlooks an important point. Rogers requires a three year plan which adds to the outrage. Just imagine how obsolete your phone will be in three years if you succumb to these gougers and sign up to one of their plans. Vote with your wallet - don't buy until Robbers gives us a sensible plan.

[ChrisN]

ye online petitions never do much sorry

ChrisN

[thedarkhorse]

For people who say petitions don't work or don't bother emailing the company because you can't change anything, don't forget it was because of customers doing that, that last year that all the early adopters of the iphone got a $100 rebate.

[RASHID007]

Several of the top Rogers and Apples stores will have media coverage on the 11th. Downtown Toronto for sure. If we can get those stores it would definitely make news. And beyond that by July 11th if everybody on here copies the above info into an e-mail and sends it to their entire contact with the message to please pass it on...we'll make an impact.

Keep up the good work, team.

[RASHID007]

And don't forget the Facebook groups, type 'Rogers iPhone' and see how many there are already.

[cosmokanga2]

Signed! I sure hope this work and support you guys 100%. Good luck!

[kunze50]

It is great that this is happening!; also how would visual voicemail work without caller ID, (Call Display)?

[Project-79]

For people who say petitions don't work or don't bother emailing the company because you can't change anything, don't forget it was because of customers doing that, that last year that all the early adopters of the iphone got a $100 rebate.

100% agreed.

We have to tell them what we want in order for them to give us it!

P-79

[ScottDrummer]

http://www.ruinediphone.com/ is down, can anyone email the owner or get in touch with them?

[R0nin]

http://www.ruinediphone.com/ is down, can anyone email the owner or get in touch with them?

Ted Rogers had the website removed due to the negative publicity it was giving to his company.

[Eraserhead]

The, "don't buy an iPhone in Canada" method will be very effective at getting better tariff's I'm sure. It was in the UK with O2.

[Peter Miller]

EDIT: Also the petition at http://www.ruinediphone.com/dearsteve.php.

P-79[/QUOTE]

When you try to access the site via Shaw.ca ISP you get:

Forbidden

You don't have permission to access /dearsteve.php on this server.
Additionally, a 403 Forbidden error was encountered while trying to use an ErrorDocument to handle the request.

Apache/1.3.41 Server at www.ruinediphone.com Port 80

Are the big telecomms now protecting each other??

[Project-79]

Are the big telecomms now protecting each other??

I hope not!!!

P-79

[FCDP]

Was just reading an article on CBCNews, check out this interesting quote:

Rogers backpedalled somewhat on Monday and said the plans announced last week are not the only ones available. Customers wishing to buy the iPhone can select other voice and data plans, including ones that have been designated for BlackBerry phones, including a recent deal that offers six gigabytes of downloading for $100.

"The [prices announced Friday] are only the plans that we think make the most sense for users," said spokesperson Elizabeth Hamilton.

Source: CBCNews.ca (http://www.cbc.ca/technology/story/2008/06/30/tech-iphone.html)

[nigrunze]

http://www.ruinediphone.com/ is down, can anyone email the owner or get in touch with them?


The owner's email address is fyrogers@gmail.com (FY stands for the original name of the site).

Here's the google cached page. http://64.233.169.104/search?q=cache:5r06uIDTdA4J:www.ruinediphone.com/+ruined+iphone&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=ca

EDIT: Never mind, it's back up.

[taran420]

ruinediphone is still down...damn you Robbers......but i think the petition is having an effect, as someone posted above....if we carry this, we will get Justice:eek::rolleyes::p lol.......im a bit Optemistic

[Icevein]

The person behined RuinediPohne (James) doesn't know why he was taken down. His email is nblavoie@gmail.com. It happened just after he added the link to the Competition Bureau http://www.competitionbureau.gc.ca/epic/site/cb-bc.nsf/en/01260e.html

He needs a new host that Rogers can't pressure !!!

[yoink]

The person behined RuinediPohne (James) doesn't know why he was taken down. His email is nblavoie@gmail.com. It happened just after he added the link to the Competition Bureau http://www.competitionbureau.gc.ca/epic/site/cb-bc.nsf/en/01260e.html

He needs a new host that Rogers can't pressure !!!

Just got a note from James saying he's waiting for the updated DNS info to propagate. The site is online with a new host.

[eplchamps0304]

I hope the petition fails. It makes no sense to me you would go to these lengths. If the plan doesnt fit you, dont get it.

[yoink]

I hope the petition fails. It makes no sense to me you would go to these lengths. If the plan doesnt fit you, dont get it.



Uh that's the idea. It is fair however to let 'em know why we're "not getting it."

Talk about doesn't "get it!"

//Troll

[Pandora01]

Thanks for that extensive list of contacts Rashid. I have emailed several people on the list.

Also, I'm so disappointed that I'm considering switching carriers and getting a different smartphone on July 11. I said so in my emails to these people.

[Garemz]

Thanks for that extensive list of contacts Rashid. I have emailed several people on the list.

Also, I'm so disappointed that I'm considering switching carriers and getting a different smartphone on July 11. I said so in my emails to these people.

Post your email you sent to them.

[kthacher]

Here is what I sent to the President of Rogers wireless. I copied the other two people who were listed as part of the wireless group. I used my real name and company, which I have not included here.

____________

I wish to add my voice to those who are disappointed and outraged with the Roger's pricing plans for the iPhone. I was intending to become an iPhone customer when my current Blackberry Plan (with Rogers) expires. I am CEO of a mid sized technology company, and all of our business development people and senior executives run BlackBerries. I had intended to offer them a choice to use the iPhone, considering it's newly emerging enterprise capabilities.

Your requirement to sign up for three year plan is a show stopper for us. This device will be long obsolete even two years into the plan. We cannot commit to a three year plan, considering the pace at which technology moves. In addition, the whole point to an iPhone is to provide strong data capabilities for people who are on the road. The lack of an unlimited data plan is downright dangerous for companies such as mine. If we use the iPhone to it's fullest extent and encourage people to stay connected and to do things like open attachments, then we are risking exorbitant and out-of-control data charges.

Bottom line - we cannot proceed with the iPhone with your current plans. In addition, I have always felt that your BlackBerry pricing plans were a little extreme as well. In addition, your sparse network coverage outside of major metro areas has been a problem for us. However, I was willing to put up with this - UNTIL NOW. Your iPhone plan is so outrageous to me that I no longer wish to do business with your company at all. I have instructed our IT people to look for an alternative for new employees and to NOT renew with Rogers when the plans for our current phones expire.

I hope you reconsider these plans and offer Canadians a plan that is competitive with those offered elsewhere. I think you may have underestimated the consumer backlash that you will generate with a very sophisticated user group who wish to use the iPhone - especially those who had plans for it in the enterprise.

[Icevein]

My company paid out all its Rogers Blackberries and went with Telus, great plan, great coverage (there is no GSM North of 60 but Telus works there) and floating balances across all the phones and BlackBerries. In addition Telus is CDMA and GSM.

I stilll have a Rogers Treo which I was planning to convert to an iPhone on Day One. I want to know more about the 6GB for $100 data plan that Rogers is now starting to talk about. 6GB would be "unlimited" for me.

John
Ottawa, Canada

[FCDP]

I stilll have a Rogers Treo which I was planning to convert to an iPhone on Day One. I want to know more about the 6GB for $100 data plan that Rogers is now starting to talk about. 6GB would be "unlimited" for me.a

It's 6GB/$100 for Data alone. You'd have to combine this with a voice plan. These plans are listed on Rogers site (http://your.rogers.com/business/wireless/plans_services/business_plans.asp?plan=blackberrydata&cat=2&typ=2) as blackberry data plans, though they say they can be used with the iPhone, combined with any voice plan.

[Project-79]

Was just reading an article on CBCNews, check out this interesting quote:



Source: CBCNews.ca (http://www.cbc.ca/technology/story/2008/06/30/tech-iphone.html)

I hope this means there will be an unlimited data plan!!!

*Crosses Fingers*

P-79

[kthacher]

Ice - thanks. Does the Telus alternative give you Edge or just vanilla GSM? The one alternative we looked at so far (MTS Allstream) has a Blackberry worldphone but no Edge. I am trying to understand the impact of this when trying to use e-mail internationally.

[Scooterman1]

I agree with not buying. If they don't sell, they will lower the price, or Apple will find another provider in Canada.

[brewno]

I say lets egg Rogers/Fido stores on July 11th.

[Project-79]

Another website (though, almost the same as ruinediPhone.com):

http://www.notrogers.com/

[Icevein]

Our Telus BlackBerries have 1XEVDO which I understand is a speeded up CDMA. The Telus BlackBerries seem to run on CDMA where it is available and shift to GSM where it is not. I think it is "plain Vanilla GSM" when it shifts though. We are however saving over 30% compared to what we paid Rogers, and now we get service when we call, prompt and courteous. Rogers didn't even follow up when we paid out 8 BlackBerries just to get off their network. A friend has a jailbroken iPhone 1 and I may try my Telus SIM card in it to see if it works. Another Non Rogers option for jailbroken iPhones.

John

[Pandora01]

Post your email you sent to them.

Here's the gist of it:

I am extremely disappointed with the recently-announced iPhone rate plans. I urge you to view the comparison to US and UK rates here: http://apeatling.files.wordpress.com/2008/06/iphone3gcosts21.png

Please explain why iPhone plans in Canada are so out of line with plans elsewhere. Your posted rates show a lack of respect for the customer and an out-of-touch attitude toward the average customer's needs and means.

The following was compiled by a third party:

[I put in some of the cost info provided by Rashid.]

I was on waiting lists at 2 different Rogers stores in anticipation of the iPhone launch. However, now I no longer intend to purchase it. I will reconsider in the future if the rates are revised to show that Rogers respects and values its customers and is in tune with customer needs. In the meantime, since I am currently a Rogers Wireless customer, I am considering purchasing a different smartphone at another carrier as a further protest. If I do so, I will do it on July 11.

Thank you for your time.

Sincerely...

[Project-79]

Another site:

http://www.davidmcguinty.com/english...s_d_acces.html

[R0nin]

Yes you are correct when "online petitions never do much"

But when the Subject Outcry becomes International News coverage in under 48 hours and creates serious bad publicity people become aware, people that don't normally access the internet will be educated on this reasoning for this outcry.

[Project-79]

Yes you are correct when "online petitions never do much"

But when the Subject Outcry becomes International News coverage in under 48 hours and creates serious bad publicity people become aware, people that don't normally access the internet will be educated on this reasoning for this outcry.

100% agree.

The more people that know the difference between Canadian and American cellular pricing, the more Robbers (Rogers) will be scared. If this story hits the front page of most newspapers in Canada, Robbers will be sweating buckets.

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[Peter Miller]

100% agree.

The more people that know the difference between Canadian and American cellular pricing, the more... Robbers will be sweating buckets.

P-79

Yes but the only way they'll change, is if sales are poor. We Canadian (potential) iPhone purchasers must resolve not to buy this (admittedly gorgeous!) smartphone until we are offered a similar deal to the US iPhone plans. This may be Rogers or a competitor resulting from the wave-band 'auction'.
I've been waiting a year - I'm prepared to wait, another few months.

[SFStateStudent]

Hey Northern Neighbors,

I've attached a copy of the toon from my local California newspaper; it's apparent the media has gotten onboard with your protest...(I just voted 5 stars, but I thought I had already voted, great thread!):cool:

[Project-79]

it's apparent the media has gotten onboard with your protest...:cool:

I hope so!!!

Coverage from all over the world is exactly what we need!!!

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[Peter Miller]

This just in. There's hope yet. Perhaps they really are listening!

From: "Rogers Wireless" <iphonerogerswireless@gmail.com>
To: "Peter Miller" <petermiller@koolsink.com>
Subject: Re: Why so Expensive??

Dear Rogers Customer

Rogers and Apple are working together to provide the best plans available for the end user. The plans which were released today are yet to be finalized one hundred percent. The plans could change slightly or allot depending on customer response to the data or voice. Please feel free to submit ideas to this email and pass the the word along that way we can better fit the customers. Plans will be changing in the future so stay tuned to Rogers.com

Thank You for the Response

On Mon, Jun 30, 2008 at 7:50 PM, Peter Miller <<mailto:petermiller@koolsink.com>petermiller@koolsink.com> wrote:

I'm writing to express my frustration at your restrictive pricing for use of the iPhone.

Please consider following the pricing / service structure adopted by AT&T.

Thank You.

Peter Miller
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Vancouver, BC, Canada
*(fax) 604-648-9403
<http://www.KoolSink.com>http://www.KoolSink.com
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[Project-79]

From: "Rogers Wireless" <iphonerogerswireless@gmail.com>

Whoops, forgot to edit my first post. iphonerogerswireless@gmail.com has been proven to be a fake.

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[Eric Lewis]

Whoops, forgot to edit my first post. iphonerogerswireless@gmail.com has been proven to be a fake.

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how do you know this?

[Project-79]

how do you know this?

It's here:

http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=506883&page=33

(Read posts 804-807)

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[micropower99]

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20080702.wriphone03/BNStory/Technology/?page=rss&id=RTGAM.20080702.wriphone03

At least some positive news, or helpful? I'm still pissed but at least they know we're pissed.

It states:

"To help customers, Rogers will send them a message when they are at 80 per cent of capacity and again when they have used up their purchased capacity. That is similar to how Rogers Cable Inc. notifies its Internet subscribers when they are approaching their bandwidth caps. Customers will also be free to change their plans for either more or less data, without incurring a penalty or resetting their three-year contract, she said."

[Project-79]

"Customers will also be free to change their plans for either more or less data, without incurring a penalty or resetting their three-year contract, she said."

That makes me slightly more happy.

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[Icevein]

Buy an "untethered" iPhone from AT&T, stick a TELUS GSM card in it and use Telus, their data plans are much better

[Planet Telex]

Buy an "untethered" iPhone from AT&T, stick a TELUS GSM card in it and use Telus, their data plans are much better

Telus is CDMA. There are no GSM companies besides Rogers/Fido. This has been said a hundred times

[Project-79]

Buy an "untethered" iPhone from AT&T, stick a TELUS GSM card in it and use Telus, their data plans are much better

It's too bad they are CDMA.

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[Icevein]

When I open my Telus BlackBerry and see my Telus SIM card and when I travel to a GSM country and it works on the local GSM, I take that as evidence that TELUS has access to a GSM Network. Their domestic data rates don't specify the network...It is CDMA preferential but it can and does access GSM

[Icevein]

If your cartoon is from a California paper, why was it drawn by the Ottawa Citizen editorial page cartoonist and why does its say "Ottawa Citizen" in the upper right hand corner of the cartoon?

[HunterMaximus]

Bell suddenly made things more interesting:
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20080703.wgtinstinct0703/BNStory/Technology
A subscriber can buy the Instinct for as low as $149.95 and then pay less than $40 a month for a modest voice plan accompanied by an unlimited data plan on Bell's high-speed data network.

Hopefully this will nudge Rogers in the direction of giving us a more competitive plan.

[Shackler]

Rogers Sucks!

[Project-79]

Bell suddenly made things more interesting:
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20080703.wgtinstinct0703/BNStory/Technology


Hopefully this will nudge Rogers in the direction of giving us a more competitive plan.

:D*Do The Happy Dance*:D

Thank You Bell Canada

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[iJohnHenry]

Holy crap, competition has broken out in Canada.

Someone call the government, to put an end to this monstrosity.

[JonHimself]

I can officially say that I'm going to wait a week or two (not that it matters but I just thought that if more people can commit the better) to buy the new iPhone, if at all, with the current rates.
I agree we need to start sending messages to Rogers (not general messages, ones to specific people that have had their e-mails posted) specifically regarding the new Bell plan and make it clear that the unlimited data plan is more appealing than the phone is... even if we have to lie a little... haha
I had a few e-mails exchanged with Liz Hamilton and told her that not only the new Bell unlimited plan, but also that the Sweedish carrier caving to public pressure to offer a $30 unlimited data plan has really pushed me to wait for the new iPhone to have better rates rather than just buying it and hoping that something is done. I told her that I had an iPhone already and it just wasn't worth upgrading without better plans. She in-turn asked me about my current data uses/what I would hypothetically use it for with more data and said she would pass on my suggestions/concerns. She seems to be the opposite of most interactions I've had with people from Rogers.

[FCDP]

More fuel on the Fire:

Telus today made a surprise announcement that it will be the first North American provider to carry the Touch Diamond, HTC's new flagship touchscreen phone.

Telus ships the Diamond later this summer and will sell it for $150 on a three-year contract; unlimited web, e-mail, and messaging on the device will be available for $30, while messaging alone costs $15.

Source: Electronista (http://www.electronista.com/articles/08/07/03/touch.diamond.for.telus/)

Telus and Bell now have Unlimited Data plans... Rogers, time to catch up?

[Project-79]

More fuel on the Fire:



Source: Electronista (http://www.electronista.com/articles/08/07/03/touch.diamond.for.telus/)

Telus and Bell now have Unlimited Data plans... Rogers, time to catch up?

:D*Do The Super-Happy Dance*:D

Thank You Bell Canada And Telus

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[Eric Lewis]

Im switching to telus

but can we use youtube?

[kmkl]

Im switching to telus

but can we use youtube?

I don't think you can use the iPhone with Bell/Telus. Even unlocked.

I thinks its because Bell uses CDMA, while Rogers uses something else. Or has this changed, and now you can use an unlocked iPhone 3G because of the 3G?

[Eric Lewis]

I don't think you can use the iPhone with Bell/Telus. Even unlocked.

I thinks its because Bell uses CDMA, while Rogers uses something else. Or has this changed, and now you can use an unlocked iPhone 3G because of the 3G?

Thanks..i know the iphone is GSM...its only Rogers/Fido

I was asking on the telus unlimitted....can we use youtube

[nigrunze]

I was asking on the telus unlimitted....can we use youtube

If the Instinct or Touch Diamond have a flash plugin, then you can watch YouTube through the internet browser. I think the iPhone is the only phone to use it's own special way of viewing YouTube vids.

[FCDP]

Thank You Bell Canada And Telus

Never thought I'd ever agree with that statement. It's also interesting to note, that other international carriers that don't offer unlimited plans are giving way under pressure from customers:

After hitting a steep wall of customer resistance, Telia Sweden is buckling to pressure and is offering an unlimited data plan for the iPhone, as well as allowing customers to choose between its existing voice plans.

Source: ipodnn (http://www.ipodnn.com/articles/08/07/03/telia.reworks.iphone.plans/)

[kthacher]

I heard back from Rogers. Their response was to sling their new motto "we're not happy till you're not happy". They are now officially happy.

[Pandora01]

If your cartoon is from a California paper, why was it drawn by the Ottawa Citizen editorial page cartoonist and why does its say "Ottawa Citizen" in the upper right hand corner of the cartoon?

Uh, newspapers run editorial cartoons from other papers all the time. But maybe you didn't know that, since nobody reads papers anymore. :D

[Icevein]

The Telus Diamond page on Electronista has the following quote:
"Telus today made a surprise announcement that it will be the first North American provider to carry the Touch Diamond, HTC's new flagship touchscreen phone. The news jumps Telus ahead of expected announcements from Sprint and Verizon and makes the Canadian firm the first known to get the CDMA version of the Diamond, which should have advanced 3G access through EVDO Revision A while keeping nearly all other features."

Would then iPhone 3G have to be totally redesigned to utilize the CDMA 3G? Certainly BlackBerry has TDMA, CDMA and GSM versions and many of the new ones operate on four different frequency bands.

Also Telus BlackBerries have and use a GSM SIM card. I am not sure if a Telus Card in an iPhone would move to the "second choice network" which is GSM if it were put in an iPhone that had no CDMA antenna.

Can anyone clarify this?

[Project-79]

Never thought I'd ever agree with that statement. It's also interesting to note, that other international carriers that don't offer unlimited plans are giving way under pressure from customers:



Source: ipodnn (http://www.ipodnn.com/articles/08/07/03/telia.reworks.iphone.plans/)

The good news just keeps coming in!!!

:D :D :D :D :D

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[brendanryder]

go to ruinediphone.com
notice anything different?
1. they sold out to another company that has other "petition" sites and knows nothing about technology
2. now theres ads
3. they dont know how to spell
4. watch the video, try to ignore the pretty lady and listen to her words.








did you hear it?
like wtf? how can a company like take over such an important site and mess things like that up. this will really screw some people up.


(BTW if u dont get it she clearly said "3 gig iPhone")

[Eric Lewis]

its a disgrace for iphone 3G canada

[Garemz]

this guy is trying to help us. Instead of pointing his flaws email him and let him know where to make the changes.

[brendanryder]

this guy is trying to help us. Instead of pointing his flaws email him and let him know where to make the changes.

i know he is trying to help us. im just saying if your going to do it, you need to do it right. and i did email him about it.

[elbirth]

what's going on? I was too distracted by the cute girl in the video

[brendanryder]

what's going on? I was too distracted by the cute girl in the video

close you eyes,i know its hard but work with me, and just listen :D

[Eric Lewis]

new video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=12w2DQxEwfU

she says 3G not 3gig

[jackjason]

****,

the orig owner have enough money to get iphone and the girl.

[yyy]

I must say that I'm impressed with the Canadians: while in Israel they've only created a Facbook group (http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=15342704508) in an attempt to have an official iPhone release there, in Canada they've already built a whole site and even created a video clip just to get the local provider to reduce the iPhone rates :D

[brendanryder]

new video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=12w2DQxEwfU

she says 3G not 3gig

sweet.
and i just recieved an email back from them, its an auto reply

"
Please note we use Verizon and not Rogers

Robert Sheinbein
416-782-9171
646-761-7879

Jamie Lynch
646-761-7887
"

so the company isnt even from canada! and there helping us!!!!!
Thanks

[tbohlsennswssrg]

:(
I just converted the currency from SEK to CAD:

"iMini": 50 CAD (299 SEK) for: 100 minutes, 100 SMS, 100 MB (!!!!!!)
"iMidi": 83 CAD (489 SEK) for: 250 minutes, 250 SMS, 250 MB
"iMaxi": 145 CAD (859 SEK) for: 1000 minutes, 1000 SMS, 1000 MB

These monthly prices are for 18 or 24 months, depending on how much you want to pay for your phone. If you choose iMaxi and 24 months signup, and the 16 GB iPhone, you still get to pay 135 CAD to get the phone.

:(

... but I'm still getting an iPhone on the 11:th. Of course.

Which converts to :

"iMini" $USD50 for: 100 minutes, 100 SMS, 100 MB
"iMidi" $USD81.83 for: 250 minutes, 250 SMS, 250 MB
"iMaxi" $USD143.76 for: 1000 minutes, 1000 SMS, 1000 MB

If you choose iMaxi and 24 months signup, and the 16 GB iPhone, you still get to pay $ 132 USD to get the phone.

[Project-79]

If you choose iMaxi and 24 months signup, and the 16 GB iPhone, you still get to pay $ 132 USD to get the phone.

True, but the plans are still terrible.

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[michaellinehan]

This is a letter I've sent to the Vancouver Board of Trade, VIATeC, the Victoria Chamber of Commerce, plus various newspapers and tech companies.

If you think it is useful, contact your local Chamber and media, plus any other businesses and business organizations you think would be concerned.


I'm writing about something I think should be of great concern to any business or business organization.

Currently, there is a huge stink about Rogers' outrageous data rates. It has been picked up by the CBC, the Globe, Reuters, CTV and many other news organizations. The topic is currently being brought into focus by the pent-up demand for the iPhone (petition at ruinediphone.com), but, of course, the rates have always been outrageous.

I read an article recently that postulated the crippling of Canada's information industry because of such rates. I think the article makes a very sound point. We've gone from being Internet leaders to trailing badly. But the same crippling effect permeates all business, both internally in Canada, and in international competition. While business people elsewhere freely exchange information, Canadians ration themselves on their mobiles because of the potential charges of up to a thousand dollars they could incur in a month.

If a country like Rawanda can do it, why not Canada? Data there is dirt cheap compared to us. A very different story from Canada.

Rogers are operating in the sort of past where BC Tel used to charge $50/hour for long distance. They think they are still back there. Unfortunately, because of their monopoly, they are!

I think any business organization should be agitating vigorously with the government to bring Rogers and the rest of them under control - for the sake of both the IT sector and for all business in Canada.

Thank you for your consideration,
Michael Linehan

[brendanryder]

*Awesome letter*

Thank you for your consideration,
Michael Linehan

awesome, its more pl like you we need to make something happen. the more letters and emails we can get sent the better the chance
Thanks :D

[Project-79]

awesome, its more pl like you we need to make something happen. the more letters and emails we can get sent the better the chance
Thanks :D

100% Agree.

Good job michaellinehan.

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[Project-79]

Did anyone see this? http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2008/07/06/apple-not-happy-with-rogers-over-iphone-plan-pricing/

* Rogers hired additional sales staff to handle the iPhone launch, all of whom have been fired effective immediately
* Apple has informed Rogers that they will be diverting a “large percentage” of their iPhone stock that was destined for Canadian shores, sending it instead to their European distributors. According to the rumor, this would leave Rogers with as few as 10-20 units per store for launch day.

Looks like new plans could be closer than we first thought!!!

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[brendanryder]

Did anyone see this? http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2008/...-plan-pricing/



Looks like new plans could be closer than we first thought!!!

P-79

i belive u were posting this link? (http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2008/07/06/apple-not-happy-with-rogers-over-iphone-plan-pricing/)

and here (http://digg.com/apple/iPhone_Plan_Costs_4301_20_CDN_Rogers_2835_62_US_AT_T) is the break down of the total cost over 3 years :O

[Project-79]

i belive u were posting this link? (http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2008/07/06/apple-not-happy-with-rogers-over-iphone-plan-pricing/)

and here (http://digg.com/apple/iPhone_Plan_Costs_4301_20_CDN_Rogers_2835_62_US_AT_T) is the break down of the total cost over 3 years :O

Oh, yeah, thanks, I fixed the link.

HOLY :eek::eek::eek::eek: these plans add up in the long run!!!

I REALLY hope Robbers change there plan before July 11th. I don't know if I can stop myself from buying an iPhone.

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[Project-79]

Looks like in Netcom in Norway is changing their plans because of complaints:

https://netcom.no/iphone.html

Now they have unlimited data.

Come on Rogers, Please!

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[CalmEnvy]

Rogers really dropped the ball and damn do those plans add up. I'm sticking with Bell and getting an Instinct. I can get a Talk and Text plan for $35 + $10 unlimited web browsing.

[Echinda]

I'm voting with my wallet. No iPhone for me until an unlimited plan is available in Canada.

This whole thing has pissed me off enough that I'm seriously considering ditching Rogers (my current provider) entirely for Telus or Bell. I have two years left on a three year contract though - so the fee would be steep. Hard to justify paying a steep fee to protest over steep fees.

[rioja]

I think Rogers will adjust the plans, BUT not before the 11th. They want to see how many suckers they an get before doing the (semi) right thing.

[brendanryder]

I'm voting with my wallet. No iPhone for me until an umlimited plan is available in Canada.



dido.

[Peter Miller]

Ditto! Let's show Rogers that we can defer the pleasure of an iPhone, until they make it a truly pleasurable experience - by matching (or beating?) the At&T pricing Plan.

[Garemz]

I'm in

[michaellinehan]

This is a letter I wrote to Western Canada's Apple rep.....


Hi Richard,

I am an Apple Fanatic. Over the years, many people have switched because of me. (And ALL have been "kiss the ground I walk on" grateful.) I think the iPhone is an insanely amazing device - industry-changing AND beautiful.

And I won't be buying one.
And I will be telling everyone not to buy an iPhone.

I think that is a pretty good indication of how bad this is - and how pissed people are at Rogers.
(Of course, the stink will also stick, somewhat, to Apple.)

Rogers' data rates are so bad, you might as well be trying to sell me a Windows computer!

[Peter Miller]

Yeah! :-)

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20080709.wgtiphone0709/BNStory/Technology/?cid=al_gam_nletter_dtechal

[Pandora01]

Yeah! :-)

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20080709.wgtiphone0709/BNStory/Technology/?cid=al_gam_nletter_dtechal

OMG, IT ACTUALLY WORKED!! :D

I wish the G&M would get its facts straight, though. Rogers was going to charge $100 for a plan with 1GB of data, not 6GB.

Specifics from the press release:

Effective July 11, and as a limited time promotional offer for customers
who activate by August 31 on a three year contract, a data-only offering of
6GB of data for $30 per month is being made available that can be added to any
in-market voice plan. For example, with 6GB of data, iPhone 3G users can visit
35,952 web pages, or send and receive 157,286 emails, or watch 6,292 minutes
of YouTube videos each and every month.(xx)
New Canadian iPhone 3G customers will also have the choice to select from
Rogers Wireless' existing voice and smartphone data plans and/or additional
features to best suit their needs, or from Rogers Wireless' value bundled
plans specifically for iPhone 3G. Existing Rogers Wireless customers can keep
their current voice service plan and select a separate data plan to meet their
needs or choose from other plans after checking their individual upgrade
eligibility.

[brendanryder]

<snip>

<snip>

i wouldnt get tooo excited. i have a feeling that in the long run they will find some way to scam the people who get this plan.

[MT37]

Yeah! :-)

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20080709.wgtiphone0709/BNStory/Technology/?cid=al_gam_nletter_dtechal

It sort of worked. I still want unlimited data and more minutes and text messages. Why can't Rogers just give us a plan identical to AT&T or O2? Is that so hard to ask for?

[Pandora01]

i wouldnt get tooo excited. i have a feeling that in the long run they will find some way to scam the people who get this plan.

I have that feeling, too, but I'm ignoring it. ;)

Seriously though, I have a long list of questions for the rep before I sign on any dotted lines, and this is one of them.

[thedarkhorse]

this is basically appeasement for Canadian early adopters, rogers will go back to business as usual at the end of august and anyone who wants the 6gb data plan will have to pay $100 a month. Now if it helps sell enough iphones/smartphones maybe they'll keep it.
But I'm gonna take it while I can, 6gb is basically unlimited unless you are doing some extra data intensive stuff on a new app that is streaming video all day or something, but for regular iphone use(with wifi at home) I don't think I'll ever reach the limit in a month.

[Echinda]

OK, now I'm torn. It's not unlimited, but it's a lot (AT&T has a 5Gb soft cap on their unlimited plan, so it is a better deal bandwidth wise).

Does anyone know where you can get some decent data on people's usage patterns in the US. The numbers they give for website pages etc strike me as being marketing BS. Does anyone know of a third party that can verify their claims?

[Mr. lax]

Based on the information that Rogers gave out about adding the $30 value plan (6 GB per month) to any plan for use with the iphone is totally not happening. The added usage per month is only for adding onto the original plans that Rogers had given out! The canadian customers are still being ripped off by Rogers, unless something changes in the near future Rogers will be losing many customers such as myself.

[Planet Telex]

I think you're wrong, because they offer the 6GB for $30 for blackberries too.

[Mr. lax]

When you customize the plans for the iPhone on the rogers site the only options that they provide are the ridiculously expensive ones that were originally provided

[taran420]

i called rogers today, and they said if i want to gift my iphone to someone else, i can. so basically i can buy it on my account and then someone else can activate it. If so then can we buy it in the US apple store and activate it here?

[writeletters00]

I think having an iPhone is a necessity for most people but for me, iPhone is too expensive for a hand held mobile phone.
http://www.writeletters.net/category/warning-letter

[iApples]

I think having an iPhone is a necessity for most people but for me, iPhone is too expensive for a hand held mobile phone.
http://www.writeletters.net/category/warning-letter

The iPhone is not expensive at all. $199 is a great price for everything that the iPhone can do. It's the stupid plans that make the iPhone so expensive. Especially plans from Rogers.

[Interstella5555]

I think having an iPhone is a necessity for most people but for me, iPhone is too expensive for a hand held mobile phone.
http://www.writeletters.net/category/warning-letter

I think not resurrecting 3 year old threads is just common sense, but that's just me. If you can afford it, don't buy it.