A sign of no USB 2.0 in new Power Macs?

[TyleRomeo]

guys I just thought about the possiblity of USB 2.0 in the new Macs is likely not to happen. (but I really hope i'm wrong)

Well the current PMs have 4 USB ports
2 in the back and 2 on the keyboard (and 2 on the MAC LCDs)

If Apple were to release USB 2.0 in July then wouldn't they need to upgrade the keyboard and add in a new line of LCDs with USB 2.0 built in. Unless apple want to have a hybrid USB system with 2 USB 2.0 ports in the back and 2 USB 1.1 on the keyboard and mac monitors. But to me that would be silly.

I think that would confuse people and Apple isn't going to do anything that might make it slightly chalanging to use their pro machines.

Personally I could handle this situation if it arises. But I'm starting to think that Apple won't go through that trouble until the keyboard and monitors are changed to USB 2.0. Which means it looks like a PCI USB 2.0 card for me and many others.

[AlphaTech]

Originally posted by TyleRomeo
guys I just thought about the possiblity of USB 2.0 in the new Macs is likely not to happen. (but I really hope i'm wrong)

Well the current PMs have 4 USB ports
2 in the back and 2 on the keyboard (and 2 on the MAC LCDs)

If Apple were to release USB 2.0 in July then wouldn't they need to upgrade the keyboard and add in a new line of LCDs with USB 2.0 built in. Unless apple want to have a hybrid USB system with 2 USB 2.0 ports in the back and 2 USB 1.1 on the keyboard and mac monitors. But to me that would be silly.

I think that would confuse people and Apple isn't going to do anything that might make it slightly chalanging to use their pro machines.

Personally I could handle this situation if it arises. But I'm starting to think that Apple won't go through that trouble until the keyboard and monitors are changed to USB 2.0. Which means it looks like a PCI USB 2.0 card for me and many others.

USB 2 is for mass storage devices (still slower then FireWire), MOST of the controllers are backward compatible with 1.1 devices. Input devices will remain USB 1.1 since there is no benefit from converting them to 2.0, nor any need to do so.

[TyleRomeo]

i dont care
if im hooking up a printer id rather have it connect through usb 2.0 rather then 1.1. why should we just settle for a certrain speed. Can you honestly say that there wont be any useful USB 2.0 devices being released in the next 5 years?

c'mon get with the times people and go USB 2.0

I know we all love Firewire and Gigawire or whatever apple will release but its not going to hurt anyone in having USB 2.0 (like you said its still slower then Firewire)

[AlphaTech]

Originally posted by TyleRomeo
i dont care
if im hooking up a printer id rather have it connect through usb 2.0 rather then 1.1. why should we just settle for a certrain speed. Can you honestly say that there wont be any useful USB 2.0 devices being released in the next 5 years?

c'mon get with the times people and go USB 2.0

I know we all love Firewire and Gigawire or whatever apple will release but its not going to hurt anyone in having USB 2.0 (like you said its still slower then Firewire)

Have you seen any ads/promotions or ANYTHING about printers going to USB 2.0?? I haven't. If the device is not made to work with USB 2.0, it will only function at 1.1's speed. That makes it a wasted technology. Most computers come with USB 1.1 ports, and only a few (if any) come with 2.0 ports on them. USB 2.0 is struggling to gain acceptance, with only a handful of devices out at this time. I believe that Firewire had more devices when it was the same age as USB 2 is now.

I don't see any use (for me) for USB 2.0. ALL that I use USB for is input devices (ie. keyboards and mice). I even converted my printer to Ethernet so that I didn't have to deal with connecting it to different systems, and to allow any system on my home network to use it (both Mac's and peecee's).

[TyleRomeo]

thats fine man, but im planing on getting the PM this summer and want to keep it for 5 years so i want to be able to forsee any future computer advancements and dont want to waste a PCI slot with USB 2.0.

5 years ago when i bought my present comp there was no USB. and it has sucked not having it. I'm getting USB 2.0 when I need it regardless, id just like to have it built in but it doesnt look like thats going to happen.

[agreenster]

5 years?

If I were you, Id be more interested in getting the most bang for your buck regarding processor speed, DDR ram, etc than worrying about USB2! 5 years is a long time to expect your computer to last. You said yourself that USB wasnt even around 5 years ago. USB 2 is NOT really a big thing. Why stress about it? Apple is spending its time with major improvements, not minor things like that.

Besides, use firewire anyway. If anything keeps you from having a 'good' computer in 5 years, it will be processor and memory anyway, not USB 2.

[TyleRomeo]

ok folks a dual 1.4 G4 with 2 GB of DDR and 240GB of HD 128MB DRR video card and faster super drive will be fine for the next 5 years.

but i want all the bells and whistles allready included so I dont have to worry about it at a later date. this will be the first mac i buy in a long time and i plan to get the most of it and not pay for extra crap that i mite need in the future

Thats why want firewire 2 and usb 2 included,
thats why i want a 2 button mouse included,
thats why I want faster PCI cards included
thats why I want a new case included
thats why I want Jagwire included

and if all that is included on the July Power Mac it will last me 5 years. and by then in 2007 we will be spreading rumors about the G7.

[AlphaTech]

Originally posted by TyleRomeo
thats fine man, but im planing on getting the PM this summer and want to keep it for 5 years so i want to be able to forsee any future computer advancements and dont want to waste a PCI slot with USB 2.0.

5 years ago when i bought my present comp there was no USB. and it has sucked not having it. I'm getting USB 2.0 when I need it regardless, id just like to have it built in but it doesnt look like thats going to happen.

What do you have for a 5 year old system??? It's stupid to think that any computer today will have technology that is created over the next couple of years, or is a fledgling tech today. If you purchased a system with PCI slots, you can add USB in about 5 minutes (if not less).

So you consider using a PCI slot a waste... :rolleyes: That is what they are there for Bubba... to allow you to add interfaces or items that you want later, that are either not available today, or not put into the computer to begin with. Considering how it would be smarter for you to install the card later (when the tech has gained wider acceptance and proven it is here to stay) then to B&M over it not being present now.

[AlphaTech]

Originally posted by TyleRomeo
ok folks a dual 1.4 G4 with 2 GB of DDR and 240GB of HD 128MB DRR video card and faster super drive will be fine for the next 5 years.

but i want all the bells and whistles allready included so I dont have to worry about it at a later date. this will be the first mac i buy in a long time and i plan to get the most of it and not pay for extra crap that i mite need in the future

Thats why want firewire 2 and usb 2 included,
thats why i want a 2 button mouse included,
thats why I want faster PCI cards included
thats why I want a new case included
thats why I want Jagwire included

and if all that is included on the July Power Mac it will last me 5 years. and by then in 2007 we will be spreading rumors about the G7.

What the ***** are you on???? What are you referring to with Jagwire... the new OS X is Jaguar "Code-named “Jaguar,”" as shown on Apple's site (http://www.apple.com/macosx/newversion/). What you THINK you need now, is not the same as what everyone else needs. If you want to add FireWire 2 when it comes out, get a damned PCI card... as for USB 2, get over it. FireWire 2 is going to leave it in the parking lot.

[agreenster]

I would think that a person who is still using a computer from 5 years ago would know from personal experience that a computer five years old is NOT adequate for use.

Computers are made to be expandible, thats why open PCI slots are available. Why do you think they are there? For pretty? Listen dude, seriously. You CAN NOT predict what types of advancements are going to be made in the next 2 years, much less 5 years. Dont force yourself to BUY EVERYTHING now, because in a year or two, you'll be stuck. Allow yourself some flexibility. Get a nice computer, but be open to the possibility that you may have to upgrade/replace many parts of your computer over time.

By the way, its idiotic to think that technology is going to come to a standstill. The typical life of technology (before it is improved, upgraded, or outdated) nowadays is only 8 months. EIGHT MONTHS.

BTW, I dont know if this is true, but you sound like you are about 12 or 13

[TyleRomeo]

guys i know technology is going to advance, i know how old a 5 year old system is becuase i have one right now and i cant wait for a new one, but the point is it still works.

macs only have 4 PCI slots and im planning on filling the them up with a sound card, extra fans, serial ATA card, or whatever will come out that i mite need.

i know i can't predict the future but I hope to have this by July and we will see how much is going to be right.

I know we are all on here to discuss, argue and spread rumors about items we wish we could have and things we have that are now being surpassed.

ohh and i know its Jaguar and not Jagwire but I like the way Jagwire sounds plus Jobs calls it jagwire so im going with his take on it and not yours.

and you will see that USB 2.0 will be useful, if macs want to bridge the gap between them and PCs then they should encorporate PC technology just like PC have accepted Firewire.

i'll be fine with the system i described. when i buy a comp i go all the way and hang on to dear life. so if i have to spend 5 grand on then so be it. I'm a video editor and need all the power i can get.

[agreenster]

I was going to let this one go, but you've done it twice:

It is spelled might, not mite.

Anyway, fine. Yeah, buy whatever you want. But if you want to be a better video editor, you should be buying/seriously upgrading new systems every 2 years. Honestly. A Dual 1gHz is over 4 times as fast as a 400mHz G4, which came out in September of '99. (2 and a half years ago). Not only is the processor faster, but the architecture is far superior to enhance the speed of the machine. So, we're talking about taking on twice the clients because your technology is working much better and your pipeline isnt clogged up with rendertimes.

Im not trying to jerk your chain, but if you want my advice, quit worrying about USB 2, especially since you are a video editor. Apple adopting USB2 isnt 'keeping up' with the PC market, it would be 'dumbing down' Apple's firewire system. Every single video camera right now has firewire output.

[TyleRomeo]

grrrrrrrrrr i know all this stuff man.

but i'm not going to be editing on this computer, i just MIGHT want to use it for other things. what if digital cameras will adopt USB 2.0 then i could use it

i know USB 2.0 is trivial but id like it anyway, just in case i MITE need it, thats all im saying.

and if my editing really takes of then who knows maybe i'll get a g5 in jan. but for right now im getting set for a 5 year voyage and i want as much packed before i go off on my mac Odyssey.

[AlphaTech]

Originally posted by TyleRomeo
macs only have 4 PCI slots and im planning on filling the them up with a sound card, extra fans, serial ATA card, or whatever will come out that i mite need.

I still want to know what you are smoking... Extra fans in the PCI bus??? You have to be on something.

Ok, mite brain (you do realize how small mites are).

[AlphaTech]

Hey agreenster, you need a spare case of whoop-a$$???? I have several that I could toss your way.

[TyleRomeo]

just like lotto

hey you never know?

[AlphaTech]

Originally posted by TyleRomeo
just like lotto

hey you never know?

Did your parents have any children that lived???

[TyleRomeo]

god i love this rumor site

[TyleRomeo]

hey alphatech suck on this

http://harbourtownsales.site.yahoo.net/pcifancard.html

[TyleRomeo]

ohh and then wash it down with this

http://www.amtrade.com/computer_fan/system_fan_card.htm

[Rower_CPU]

And you think those cards would work on a Mac because.....?

The first one lists no info for the power connector...and the second ones uses a molex connector, which would require some hardcore modifications to get to work.

And what makes you think that you need extra air circulation in the first place?

[kevine]

Originally posted by Rower_CPU
And you think those cards would work on a Mac because.....?

The first one lists no info for the power connector...and the second ones uses a molex connector, which would require some hardcore modifications to get to work.

And what makes you think that you need extra air circulation in the first place?

They work in Macs. The first one says IDE x 2, which are just the standard power plugs used in IDE hard drives. The second one shows a picture of this as well. Worse case scenario, simply get a pass through adapter for one of the drives, or splice into the power cables (internal drive cables that is).

On the other hand, I'm not sure this would be a good idea. The first one just blows are around inside the case, perhaps blowing hot air onto parts that otherwise wouldn't get hot.

The second one is an exhaust fan and has a higher chance of doing good, but again there's a risk that it might make things worse. If the computer is sealed in such a way that the standard fan lowers pressure inside the case, then the second fan could rob air from the airflow path of the original fan. I admit this is unlikely and easily rectified, but something worth considering.

The other thing worth considering is why you would need additional ventilation. I think it's worthwhile to assume that since the MacPlus, Apple has produced product after product with adequat ventilation, that there would be no need for additional ventilation, unless additional devices were to be installed inside the case exceeding the specs...in which case there's a good chance they would be exceeding the power consumption level as well, which makess any additional power drain (from the fans) something of a risk.

[AlphaTech]

Originally posted by Rower_CPU
And you think those cards would work on a Mac because.....?

The first one lists no info for the power connector...and the second ones uses a molex connector, which would require some hardcore modifications to get to work.

And what makes you think that you need extra air circulation in the first place?

There are USB 2 cards already out there for the Mac. USB 2 only works as 2 under OS X (for all the cards I have seen). Molex connectors are standard computer issue (present inside the desktops/towers), which means no modification. If the card requires a proprietary connection for additional power, it most likely would come with an adapter to connect to the 4 pin molex (same as used by your hard drive). I would imagine that the USB 2 cards would draw the power they needed from the PCI bus, since any device that needs additional power would have an AC adapter or power cord.

[Choppaface]

Originally posted by agreenster
BTW, I dont know if this is true, but you sound like you are about 12 or 13

considering that most people here act worse than the 14-16 year olds that I mod....i dont think it matters :D :D :D

[rainman::|:|]

Okay, i'm trying hard to understand this. You say in one post that you don't want to pay for things you 'mite' need, and then you b&m for a dozen posts about how much you want USB 2, which you can provide no real need for but say you might need it in the future. I don't understand what you think USB2 is going to be good for! as was said, the only purpose for USB anymore is input devices, and perhaps printers, both of which need no speed boost. Do you know of any printer that can spit out pages faster than USB1 can send 'em? printer speed is generally capped by printer hardware, not USB. As for digital cameras, anything worth buying will be firewire equipped soon enough... And even digital cameras work well on USB1. the one we use takes maybe two seconds to transfer a 4mb memorystick to iPhoto.

Get a grip, tyleromeo. And don't tell Alphatech to suck anything ever again. i'll lay down some of my OWN whoopa$$...

:) have a nice day
paul

[j763]

You seriously think there will be USB 2 printers???!!! OMFG, seriously -- what are you on?? How many FireWire printers are there on the market at the moment?????

[kevine]

As for digital cameras, anything worth buying will be firewire equipped soon enough...

I wouldn't be too sure about that. This has yet to be seen. While I hope this happens, I wouldn't bet heavily on it.

And even digital cameras work well on USB1. the one we use takes maybe two seconds to transfer a 4mb memorystick to iPhoto.

Well if you're talking in terms of 4mb, then maybe that's part of the problem. Instead imagine PC venders sticking with USB2, and thus cameras using USB2. It's not to hard to imagine things turning out this way, and now imagine what you'd be doing while you're transferring the contents of a 5GB MicroDrive with a Mac that only has USB1.1 because Apple refused to accept a standard that the rest of the industry did. I'm using 256MB cards now and find it annoying how slow it is.

You seriously think there will be USB 2 printers???!!! OMFG, seriously -- what are you on?? How many FireWire printers are there on the market at the moment?????

About as many as there are FireWire digital still cameras. Will be printers...There are already USB2 printers from Lexmark and HP (maybe others?) Sorry guys, USB2 is here now and its making inroads. As superior as FireWire is, PC venders are looking at cutting costs and some/many will see only putting USB2 ports on their machines as the way to do it instead of FireWire *and* USB2. There are already CD Burners, DVD burners, hard drives etc... which are using USB2. As superior as FireWire is, getting rid of USB altogether on Macs would be really stupid, and not upgrading USB to 2 for the sake of promoting FireWire would only result in Apple producing products that were less compatible with 3rd party products. Apple is in the hardware/software business, not the standards business

My guess is that USB2 will be in Macs before the end of the year. It's really just a matter of Apple using up its current inventory of parts and coinciding with new product.

[AlphaTech]

Originally posted by kevine

About as many as there are FireWire digital still cameras. Will be printers...There are already USB2 printers from Lexmark and HP (maybe others?)

Which models??? I just looked at what HP has listed on their site, and found NO USB 2 mentioned in ANY of their entry-level, mid-range, or direct-photo printers. Some of them do NOT have Mac compatibility, so I will have to assume you didn't consider them (they also show USB, not USB 2). I also looked at the higher numbered Lexmark inkjet printers, and all of them show 'Standard USB' and 'USB - Lexmark recommends a V1.0 Compliant Cable'.

Again, post up some printer model numbers to back up your statement. I am fairly certain that Epson supports USB 1.1 in their current printers. I did see one from Lexmark that has an ethernet option, and I know you can do that with some Epson printers. Personally, that makes more sense to me. I would rather see printers go ethernet, as well as USB 1.x then USB 2.

In the past, printer companies like to not force new technology on customers. Many printers (if not all) still have a parallel port on them. Even networked printers (such as the HP5000 laser printer) still have the parallel port on them.

[eyelikeart]

this just keeps getting funnier & funnier... :D :p :D :p

[kevine]

Originally posted by AlphaTech

Which models???

Lexmark E210, Z13, Z23, Z33
HP: PNHPLJ3300MP, PNHPLJ3320MP, PNHPLJ3320N, PNHPLJ3330

I did see one from Lexmark that has an ethernet option, and I know you can do that with some Epson printers. Personally, that makes more sense to me. I would rather see printers go ethernet, as well as USB 1.x then USB 2.


I too would much rather see ethernet. Ideally I'd like to see FireWire for drives and cameras, USB for keyboards, mice, cheap printers, and lowend gadgety thingies, ethernet for slightly more than cheap printers as well as more expensive models. Nonetheless USB2 has a lot of Intel behind it, and it would be foolish for Apple to sacrifice 3rd party compatibility or give the perception "USB on Macs suck" just to influence FireWire as a standard.

Apple is in the hardware/software business. They are not going to make nearly as much money with FireWire succeeding as they would by increasing market share/sales by providing products that are superior, or at least perceived as being superior by including ports which provide compatibility. Go to a computer shop that sells USB2 CD burners and see how on the package it says that it burns at 4x on Macs with USB1.1 as opposed to 32X for PCs with USB2. Now of course you and I would buy a FireWire burner at 40x, but that's not the message everyone would get all the time

In the past, printer companies like to not force new technology on customers. Many printers (if not all) still have a parallel port on them. Even networked printers (such as the HP5000 laser printer) still have the parallel port on them.

What forcing of new technology. Whatever the product is, make it USB2 instead of USB1.1 and the consumer would not be impacted negatively at all. All USB1.1 stuff would still work (at 1.1 speeds). Furthermore, there's no inherent cost advantage to using USB1.1 versus USB2.

Apple should not push, promote, or bless USB2 in any way, but they should start including it soon...ideally at the same time as FireWire 2.

BTW: a lot of what's being said about USB2 is similar to FireWire 2. 800Mbs sounds great, but you're not going to be importing DV any faster now are you? Your burners are still going to be maxed at 40x or whatever they mechanically can handle, and there are really no FireWire drives, but rather IDE drives in FireWire cases, the IDE to FireWire bridge tends to be the bottleneck. Of course we all have faith that we'll see devices take advantage of FireWire 2, but how is this any different from USB2?

[AlphaTech]

All the printers you listed there for Lexmark (E210, Z13, Z23, Z33) are showing either "Standard USB" (which is 1.1 not 2.0) or "USB - Lexmark recommends a V1.0 Compliant Cable" which is NOT the same as 2.0.

As for the HP printers... the 3300, 3320 (found under the multi-function devices) lists "Connectivity, Std. USB 1.1, IEEE 1284-B bidirectional parallel "

Both lists of printers are only showing USB Standard or 1.0/1.1. Nowhere are they listing USB 2.0 connectivity.

As far as trying to use a USB 2.0 device on a system with USB 1.1... all the devices I found that are USB 2.0 show "USB 2.0 host needed for USB 2.0 performance" which makes sense.

I can see devices such as hard drives and scanners that actually benefit from using USB 2, but not printers. I have a scanner (Epson Perfection 2450 Photo) with BOTH USB 2 and FireWire ports on it. I purchased it because it has FireWire, I couldn't care less about the USB port. If you look at the spec's it actually states (in plain language) "Interface USB 2.0 and FireWire (IEEE 1394)"

Until the printers you mentioned (or any others you find) show USB 2.0 for an interface assume that it is USB 1.1 (not 2.0).

Eventually printers could use USB 2.0, but they are not there yet.

[kevine]

Originally posted by AlphaTech
All the printers you listed there for Lexmark (E210, Z13, Z23, Z33) are showing either "Standard USB" (which is 1.1 not 2.0) or "USB - Lexmark recommends a V1.0 Compliant Cable" which is NOT the same as 2.0.


Well I stand corrected, though my mistake was not that I didn't understand that 1<>2, but rather I searched several sites that sold printers and listed those above as "USB 2.0". I wouldn't be surprised if the specs changed or if the vendor Website was incorrect...it wouldn't be the first time.

[irmongoose]

this is hilarious...

guys, thanks for making it so fun... hahaha... *wipes off tear*




:D :) :D :) :D :p :p :) :D




irmongoose


P.S. Please, continue!

[Bobd]

Well, I don't know about them, but they sure sell the adequate cables at HP...

http://www.shopping.hp.com/cgi-bin/hpdirect/shopping/scripts/product_detail/product_detail_view.jsp?product_code=C6518A&aoid=7222&script_name=product.cgi

[King Cobra]

Listen, some of you need to **** already! Now, I am not talking about those who are posting about what they know, what they honestly think, or what they have heard of, but those who are trying to start flame wars for no reason! Maybe some of us have some reasonable thoughts about what they think may happen. But even if they sound absourd, at least try to respect it. Now I am not trying to kiss up to anyone here, but I am playing moderator. This discussion should be about USB 2.0 yes/no and not what type of pot mites sniff or smoke!

As far as I know, I last checked (someplace) and it turned out that USB 2.0 had 480Mbps output, while Firewire (1) had 400Mbps. And I am pretty sure that USB 2.0 would sound reasonable on computers if certain products have USB 2.0 on them (CD-RWs especially) and you need the extra firewire ports for an external Hard Drive, some camcorder, or such. I feel that USB 2.0 can come in handy with those who are sick and tired of upgrade cards, installing drivers for those cards, or for those who have computers with one FW port and need more, such as the iBook and, if I am not mistaken the Powerbook. Some people need the extra room and the extra ports. And since USB 1.x is too slow for many people (I would assume) switching to USB 2.0 would be acceptable. All that needs to be done is to convert companies/products that use USB 1.1 to use USB 2.0 and there would be no problem with USB 2.0.

Again, I do not mean to insult anyone in particular, but try to keep this discussion quiet. Otherwise, there will be too many flame wars on the forums and all that people will see is insults.
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[AlphaTech]

Chill out Cobra....

It was posted before (not in this thread) that even though USB 2.0 claims to have a speed of 480Mb/sec the reality is that it is significantly slower. Thus slower then FireWire 1 is.

You can add USB 2 PCI cards to just about any system out there, for when you really can't live without it (X years from now, if ever). If it comes down to it, and I really 'must have it' for my new TiBook I know that there are PCMCIA cards out that will let me have it. Granted they only work (optimally) under OS X, and function as USB 1.1 under OS 9.x.

I was only pointing out that there are not any printers that offer USB 2... There are other devices that would benefit from higher bandwidth between the computer and device that do offer it, I have one such item in my scanner. I did NOT get the scanner because of USB 2 being on it, rather because of it having FireWire and the high resolution, low price tag.

[King Cobra]

Lately, I have seen products (let's say, CD-RWs) with the same functionality, software, everything, except for the ports. I noticed that the product with the Firewire port turned out more expensive than the USB 2.0 port model. I have noticed this because I sometimes look for deatils in MacConnection catalogs. So I am not surprised that USB 2.0 is cheaper than Firewire. Why exactly would this be? Just wondering.
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[AlphaTech]

It could be because they are not selling as well, and they want to clear out inventory (happens all the time with computer games, a less popular game will drop in price long before one that is selling better). That could also have to do with the device maker. Back when I was looking to get a new burner, I noticed that the FireWire and USB 2 drives were pretty much in line with each other for prices. The ones that came out as being more money are typically from LaCie because they have both connections on them (USB and FireWire).

Personally, I prefer to use FireWire devices for any kind of storage or high bandwidth transfer. Input devices are USB because you don't have much choice in the matter. I slapped my printer onto the network, so it doesn't matter what the connection is there.

[Rower_CPU]

Originally posted by AlphaTech
...I slapped my printer onto the network, so it doesn't matter what the connection is there.

How difficult/expensive was that to do? I know my HP can be converted via a dongle of some sort...

[AlphaTech]

Originally posted by Rower_CPU


How difficult/expensive was that to do? I know my HP can be converted via a dongle of some sort...

I picked up the external print server from Epson (about $160 from their online store which was the cheapest), since it is an Epson printer, plugged it into the parallel port, did some minor configuring and it was all set. Since I have the C80, I downloaded the drivers for the C80N, which is what I turned the printer into. The drivers are for OS X, as well as windblows (so I can print from the game peecee).

I think, from start to finish, including making all the connections, and snaking wires, it might have taken ten minutes (including downloading and installing the drivers onto my TiBook).

I like it much, much better then using the USB cable, since I can now print from anywhere, and any computer. I no longer need the 15' USB cable for printing, and have to be careful where I put the laptop (so that I don't go outside of the cable's reach).

[TyleRomeo]

OMG this tread is still ongoing.
guys king cobra is right, its everyone's opinion about future occurances. who know's what USB 2.0 will be used for and how popular it will get. but i'm saying that five years down the line there just might be a few USB 2.0 products out there that I would like to use with my mac and I would enjoy having it built in instead of spending more time and money installing PCI cards. I know 5 years since USB 1.1 came out it has found it own PC market.

and I love firewire and firewire 2 (giagawire) or whatever you want to call it but apple please try to include USB 2.0 in your new PMs for us that want it built in and for those of you out there that are so pro-firewire can clog your USB ports with gum for all i care.

I want my USB 2.0 for the sake of just having it

[AlphaTech]

TyleRomeo, you are STILL expecting a system to have things that you MIGHT need five years down the road. Get real. Use one of the PCI slots and add USB 2 or whatever the ***** you THINK you MIGHT need later when you want. Don't expect Apple to include every new technology inside the tower just because one cheap pr*ck thinks it should be in there. If you have that large a hard-on for USB 2, then just add the card and shut the F up.

[King Cobra]

Here we go again, round 2.

The contestants are: TyleRomeo and Alphatech.

Just before the rematch goes underway, I would like to inform TyleRomeo that don't expect everything to be your way. If Apple does not integrate USB 2.0 you just can't keep bytchin' about the lack of something you can add on yourself.

Gentlemen, start your flamewars! :D

Man, I like using other smilies...

Just a quick note before we continue the match, there might be interference from Arn, resulting in this thread being closed, so keep it at a low tone, guys.
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[AlphaTech]

Arming the thermonuclear device... :D

[TyleRomeo]

man this is funny

AlphaTech youve got a dirty mouth and need to chill out
i'll do just fine with my USB 2.0 in whatever way i get it
i really dont care what you do with your mac