- - Mini iPod or iPod? - -

[kjdenison]

Hi,
I need lots of input on what you think i should do. I need to buy an iPod, but which one. Rite now on my iTunes i have 5.63gb of music, So im thinking i could probley filter out some crap for 4gb possibly? I really would like to have the smaller size, and i like the design better on the smaller ipod. Or should i be buying a bulky 15gig? Tell me what everyone thinks. I need to put my order in very soon! Ive been a huge Apple fan for quite some time and am REALLY excited and ready to be an iPod user. Thanks!

[edesignuk]

IMO if you can afford the extra $50 for the 15GB iPod, go for it. It just doesn't make any sense to me to pay $250 for 4GB, when for $50 you can have 15GB :confused:

edit: oh, btw, the normal iPod are hardly "bulky".

[kjdenison]

well i have an education discount also, and i have the money. If it wasn't so fricking cool looking i would also say what the hell, 4gig to 15 for 50$ i mean obvioulsy. But it is really what i would like, just the cost/gig is absolutley outrageous. what to do?!

[pivo6]

Originally posted by kjdenison
well i have an education discount also, and i have the money. If it wasn't so fricking cool looking i would also say what the hell, 4gig to 15 for 50$ i mean obvioulsy. But it is really what i would like, just the cost/gig is absolutley outrageous. what to do?!

With the miniPods at $249, I think it's a no brainer. I'd spend the extra $50 and get the iPod. I was waiting for today to see what the announcement was going to be. $249 is not a low enough price point for for 4GB for me.

[jxyama]

may people will be in the similar situation as yours...

with edu discount, minipod is $229. so that's $40 cheaper than the edu. discounted 15 GB ipod...

i'd personally go for the 15 GB. you can never have enough capacity - music collection hardly every shrink. they can only increase...

plus you can use the excess capacity to back up files and folders on your mac...

[gemio17]

go for the 15, 'nuff said....what dummies at apple, 250 for 4gb-are they nuts???? how disappointing:( :mad:

[kjdenison]

i definatley know i can use the extra space, why did they have to make the mini ipod so cool, and why couldn't they have done like a 6 gig or somethin, ha ha. ARGHHH!!!! I need to decide tonight too, because if i order the 15 gig i will need it before i travel back to school. HELP!!

[jeremy.king]

The 20gb is $369 with your discount, includes a REMOTE, DOCK, and carry case (a $117 value alone...although minis have a belt clip :o )

You can then
(a) carry ALL your current and future songs
(b) carry files with you too

I always tend to think long term, especially when dropping $230-$370 on an iPod.

Is it me, or is anyone not impressed with the mini ipod (with exception of size) ?

[edesignuk]

Originally posted by kingjr3
Is it me, or is anyone not impressed with the mini ipod (with exception of size) ?
No, it's not you. TRUST me!

[groov']

all you guys (and girls?) are wondering which one to buy. SDont buy anuthing now, just wait a couple of months.

They'll come down to a reasonable level....

[edesignuk]

Originally posted by groov'
all you guys (and girls?) are wondering which one to buy. SDont buy anuthing now, just wait a couple of months.

They'll come down to a reasonable level....
they're not even gonna be available outside the US until April for god sake...I just can't believe Apple today :(

[kjdenison]

I cant wait any longer, ive been waiting like 3 months already for the expo, so i could see the mini's before i bought. Now i really do like how they look, its just killing me how they are priced, and also i would have to wait till febuary 16 anyways, i might as well get a 15, i dont have money for a 20 rite now i dont think. Im gonna be pissed im sure when i see the mini though, and see how neat it looks.

[kjdenison]

quick question about the normal ipods, how are they for excercising?? Like i lift and run and everything, will i be able to clip it on my shorts, or will it be too heavy. That is a big buying point for me.

[Raid]

I too think the pricing is a little high, but I'm not so sure the mini iPod is so terrible... Right now I'm thinking about getting an iPod for my Dad. He's on the road a lot and would like to take his music with him. The issue is he only has about 3-4 gigs of music max, and I know he'd want the dock and remote to make the experience more enjoyable. This means that I would have to get him a 10-15GB iPod and spend another $100 more for the dock and remote, or spend $150 more and just get him a 20GB model. Since he's only going to use a fraction of the space your spending alot for memory that you aren't going to use. That's why if the mini's do come with the dock and remote it will be worth the cost.

But it looks like I have until April to decide. :(

[jxyama]

Originally posted by Raid
That's why if the mini's do come with the dock and remote it will be worth the cost.

mini ipod comes with neither the remote nor the dock. they are both optional and must be purchased separately.

[tdhurst]

Originally posted by kjdenison
quick question about the normal ipods, how are they for excercising?? Like i lift and run and everything, will i be able to clip it on my shorts, or will it be too heavy. That is a big buying point for me.
I use my ipod to run and lift. Even when wearing basketball short (you know, just the elastic) they have never even pulled at my drawers, even in the case. I was quite surprised, to be honest...

[tdhurst]

Originally posted by kjdenison
quick question about the normal ipods, how are they for excercising?? Like i lift and run and everything, will i be able to clip it on my shorts, or will it be too heavy. That is a big buying point for me.
I use my ipod to run and lift. Even when wearing basketball short (you know, just the elastic) they have never even pulled at my drawers, even in the case. I was quite surprised, to be honest...

[kjdenison]

do you use a clip? or how do you do it?

[tdhurst]

Originally posted by kjdenison
do you use a clip? or how do you do it?
I have used both the clip on the carrying case and the incase clip. The only issue is I pull out the earbud cord when I sprint (duh, though). The clip holds great, and not nearly heavy enough to notice sometimes.

[mmmbop]

Anyone know how the new iPod In-Ear Headphones work with the remote? i.e. how short/long the lead is.

I was tempted to buy the Sony equivalent a few months back but didn't because of the extra lead baggage.

[Powerbook G5]

I like the new mini iPod, sure, they could be cheaper, but I don't need anywhere near 15 gigs of storage space for my music, hell, I don't even need 4 gigs. By the time my birthday rolls around, they may be $20-30 cheaper, anyway.

[kjdenison]

so i REALLY would like the mini because of its size and style. It really is That is what i wanted, but i have a good 6gig of music. Should i just get the mini and only put the very best of my music on it, or should i get a bigger 15 which really isn't what i want, and have all my music on it and keep expanding.... I guess the question is, should i get the 4 gig, and just use it as a best of collection carry around device? Or is that as stupid as im sure it is.

[Powerbook G5]

Maybe in a few more months they will have a 6 gig mini iPod...they just get bigger for cheaper all the time, so if you don't need one now, I'd suggest waiting for a while.

[tdhurst]

I would REALLY recommend the 15 or 20 gig if you have more then 4 gigs of music....OR, go through your collection and erase what you don't actually listen to. You might find your song list shrinking enough to warrant the mini. I just think it's a waste to buy an iPod for only some of your music....HOWEVER, I already have the 10gig...and I REALLY am thinking about getting a mini just cuz they are SO damn cool.

[kjdenison]

alright ive decided, i need all my music with me, i dont want to just have some of it, because then im gonna want the stuff i dont have with me. Time to accessorize, I need to plug this into my car receiver.. should i get a iTrip, or what cables do i need to get to hook up to aux. Also what is a good clear case, i want to protect from scratches but i want to be able to see the beauty of the ipod, plus i need it to have a clip preferabley. Any help would be great!

[jxyama]

i know this tip won't apply to everyone, but when i installed my own CD player in my car (a cheap kenwood one), i specifically chose one i could do an external input. i just paid a little extra for an adapter to allow the CD player to accept the regular stereo plugs (white/red) -> mini-jack cable.

i originally intended to use mini-disc walkman with it, but of course, it works with iPod as well.

if you are in the market to replace your CD player in your car, you may want to consider getting one with an ext. input...

otherwise, i think using the classic mini-jack -> tape player module works fine and is dirt cheap, i think.

[QCassidy352]

get the 15 GB!! $50 to have all of your music plus a ton of extra space for back up?? And you would consider the mini ipod *why*??

Oh man, I hate those new little things so much. They are soooo ugly. I still think the original scroll wheel ipods were the best, but the 3rd gen. ipods are fine - whereas the mini ipods are horrible. The pointy corners, the strangely proportioned body, the terrible color choices (and no white option??? wtf??)... yikes. I thought apple was past the rainbow-sprinkles approach. :rolleyes:

This isn't even close. You'd have to be insane to buy the mini ipod over the 15 GB.

[Powerbook G5]

I bet they look much better in person, though.

[kjdenison]

what kind of cables do i need to hook up my ipod to my car reciever? thank you everyone for your help. Its great :)

[joshuajestelle]

When I first heard about the iPod Mini, and noticed the price was not much less than the 15 GB iPod, it seemed to me that the real advantage the Mini has over the original is size.

It seems to me the reason to buy the Mini is if you really want a smaller iPod.

But then I looked at this:
http://www.apple.com/ipod/specs.html

The original iPods: 4.1 x 2.4 x 0.62
The new iPod Mini: 3.6 x 2.0 x 0.5

So yes, the new iPod Mini is smaller, but it doesn't seem that significantly smaller. Perhaps I need to hold one to be convinced.

What do people think? Does this size seem significantly smaller?

I just calculated the volume:
Original: 6.108 cubic inches
Mini: 3.6 cubic inches (41% smaller)

And the area of the face of the device:
Original: 9.84 square inches
Mini: 7.2 square inches (27% smaller)

So noticing the volume is 41% smaller does seem like a significant difference.

The weight is also 2oz ligther. 36% lighter.

So... I dunno.

=)

I think when I finally buy an iPod it'll have to be the biggest one I can find. But at this point I don't think I'd use the iPod enough to justify the cost.

Most of the time I have my Powerbook near by so I might as well just use my Powerbook.

Josh

[Powerbook G5]

When Steve held one in his hand, it seemed pretty small and he said that the size is about even with the size of a business card, so it is definitely a good deal smaller, not a huge difference, but one that can be noticed.

[~Shard~]

I'm torn with the new iPod minis. I think they look really neat, I think they're a great idea, and I think they're really cool, but for only $50 more, you can have a 15 GB! Yet, Apple has once again enticed customers with the whole "cool" factor.

In the end, I'm still going to buy a 40 GB, as I need the space, but I think in general, Apple will succeed with the iPod mini - it addresses another market segment, and maybe people who want a smaller player, with smaller capacity will not even care that the 15 GB is only $50 more - they want a smaller player with smaller capacity, and the iPod mini will be perfect for them. Plus, maybe they just want a colorful MP3 player. :cool:

[Powerbook G5]

It's perfect for me, I refused to get a $500 iPod with 40 gigs of space when I just barely have a gig of music in iTunes. 4 gigs is perfect, and so is the size. I don't care much for the colors, but the silver aluminum case is looking pretty nice to me. Sure, the 15 gig may be just a little more, but I personally am not a fan of white and I don't need 15 gigs.

[B@SS_SHOCK]

I dunno, I still like the design of the Original iPod, but I like it how the iPod Mini is completely made out of anodized aluminium. It's also better for wear as well.

If you've ever experienced Bang & Olufsen stuff then you'll know how this will feel in your hand. Unlike the iPod, you won't see any smudges come up on this baby, it will always keep it's matte finish.

But even though IMO it's built better than the iPod, I still can't get over the price (us Australians will have to pay some more for freight) so I'll stick with buying 15Gb no doubt about it.

[Grimace]

it depends on what you use the ipod for. If you know you will ONLY use it for digital music - and you can get your songs down to 4GB (come on, that is a TON of music) - the mini is just fine.

If you want it to take files with you, or EVERY song you own, get the 15GB.

[fartheststar]

Originally posted by kjdenison
alright ive decided, i need all my music with me, i dont want to just have some of it, because then im gonna want the stuff i dont have with me. Time to accessorize, I need to plug this into my car receiver.. should i get a iTrip, or what cables do i need to get to hook up to aux. Also what is a good clear case, i want to protect from scratches but i want to be able to see the beauty of the ipod, plus i need it to have a clip preferabley. Any help would be great!

I would go for the 20 GB because it comes with a dock and a case (mind you not see through) for the extra little bit of money.

It is a beaut though. Got one for christmas.. only had seen one from afar... not bulky at all... it lights up so nice!

[Macmaniac]

I barely have over a gig and a half of music, there is no reason why I should spend $50 more on the larger iPod, besides my sis has a 10 gig so I can steal that if I need to move big files. Anyway since I work for an Apple store I get things cheaper, so I save a lot more;)

[Rezet]

Mini is truly @#$%! Who in the world would think its a better value then 15Gb ipod? Geez. Some apple decisions feel like hitting urself with a bat on a head.
And look at the details! mini looks so much cheaper.. with plastic buttons etc....

[Powerbook G5]

It looks like the buttons are the same as on the original iPod, so I don't see how it'd be cheaper in design, not to mention the cases are made out of aluminum, which is really nice. I love the look of the aluminum of my PowerBook and I bet the mini iPod looks just as nice. As far as the space issue, I literally have no need of 15 gigs of space, that is why I held off on buying an iPod in the first place, since it would all go to waste.

[smilprod]

This is a no brainer, 11 extra gigs for $50!! I mean the mini's aren't that much smaller. The standard iPod is a perfect size for me. Just my 2 cents. Use the extra space on the iPod as a external hard drive. There is always room for more space.

[kjdenison]

i went ahead and bought the 15 gig, with monster cable to hook to my receiver, a clip, and the new headphones, hopefully they wont fall out like the old ones. I feel reall good about it. Still wish the 15 was designed like the 4, maybe in a year or 2. :)

[blueflame]

This seems to be a appropriate forum.

I will trade a almost never used 30 gig ipod, with dock, and a 3rd party nicer case and cable, and the remote for a new silver mini with dock.
goderd@aol.com
~Blue

[Powerbook G5]

Someone could make a killing off of that, I'm sure. Just buy a mini with discount for $230, trade with you, then sell the 30 gig on eBay and buy another mini and keep the rest. Unfortunately, though, you'll have to wait a while since the mini isn't shipping until the middle of next month.

[joshuajestelle]

It seems that Apple likes this solid aluminum design, the powerbooks and now the new ipod mini. I think it would be a great design for the full size ipods and wouldn't be suprised at all if the next generation is designed as such.

Josh

[QCassidy352]

Originally posted by blueflame
This seems to be a appropriate forum.

I will trade a almost never used 30 gig ipod, with dock, and a 3rd party nicer case and cable, and the remote for a new silver mini with dock.
goderd@aol.com
~Blue

!!! wow. That's quite an offer.

[jxyama]

though i haven't seen the mini pod yet, i expect that it will feel quite small...

when devices are that small already, ~40% drop in the volume will make a HUGE difference.

remember how rounded edges made the 3G iPod look much "smaller" and "smoother" even though it wasn't really much smaller than the 1/2G iPods? if you are used to smaller 3G iPod - like 10/15 GB - the slightly "thicker" 40 GB one feels quite a bit bigger too...

so i think mini iPod will feel incredibly tiny when held in our hands. i doubt i'll buy it but i would definitely consider it if i didn't have 15 GB of music...

[edesignuk]

Originally posted by blueflame
This seems to be a appropriate forum.

I will trade a almost never used 30 gig ipod, with dock, and a 3rd party nicer case and cable, and the remote for a new silver mini with dock.
goderd@aol.com
~Blue
That is quite an offer, are you sure you're feeling ok? Not got a fever or anything?

[Jefe]

Originally posted by joshuajestelle
It seems that Apple likes this solid aluminum design, the powerbooks and now the new ipod mini. I think it would be a great design for the full size ipods and wouldn't be suprised at all if the next generation is designed as such.

Josh

It just occured to me how the iPod is opposite now in design from the laptops. The high end Powerbook is anodized aluminum, while the smaller, scaled down iBook is white. and for ipods, vice versa. Apple should have thought ahead and reversed the ipod designs.

oh well.. i'm sure when they developed that 5gig 3 years ago, they had no idea it would be as big as it has.

[rlhubley]

I don't have an iPod, but have wanted one since the origanal came out. Hopefully I'll win enough at poker over the next few months to invest in one. Here's my thought on the mini vs. reglar.

First, how often do I truly need my entire collection at hand? I personally own around 600 cds, I'm not sure all of that would fit into teh 40gig iPod anyway. Plus, that collection grows, so I don't think i really need to have all of my music in pocket all of the time. 4-20 gb of it would be cool though.

Questions:
How easy is it to constantly add/delete tunes from the iPod? Can you delete on the fly, or does it need to be connected to a computer?

It seems to me that the minipod would be very cool(fit in your shirt pocket cool). If it is really easy to just dump what I feel like that week onto it, then mini is big enough. My iBook will have the larger collection on it's 60gb drive. Either way, when i buy, i will get the griffin iTalk so that i can use my sony mic to record concerts at music school. wonder how much real-time recording can fit onto a minipod??

[niter]

For me, I would most likely just get the 15 GB or 20 GB iPod. However, I am the type of person who stands in the supermarket and compares price per oz. on the items I buy.

I have yet to get an iPod, but I would like to soon. To me, the appeal of the iPod is having the ability to take it all with me. However, the price is a little steep for me at the current time. So, the appeal of the possibility of a mini iPod was a smaller space at a lower price (I could handle transfering music back and forth to save a good chunk of change). However, the price difference is not enough for me to justify its purchase. Yes, I am disappointed, but I am not going to whine and moan about it. I did not design the thing, and I do not know how much it cost to make.

Anyway, I am slightly biased towards the original iPod...I have and iBook and my first response to the mini iPod was "where's the white one?" The other's are cute, but not for me.

[kirk26]

Originally posted by jxyama
mini ipod comes with neither the remote nor the dock. they are both optional and must be purchased separately.

"If" is the word he used.

[RugoseCone]

I just got back from the show last night and I have to say the pictures DO NOT do this device justice.

Actually looking at one and holding it in your hand will be enough to sway many of the people complaining about the price. Trust me on this. Same with the size. I know it doesn't look any smaller in the photos, but when you hold this thing it is very noticeable.

The colors look way cooler in person too.

A lot of the disappointment voiced here will vanish once people see these up close

[Powerbook G5]

Reminds me of the G5s and the aluminum PowerBooks. People complained the PowerBooks didn't look rounded enough and the G5s looked like ugly cheesegraters, but once you see them in person, they are just so wonderfully designed and beautiful to look at.

[blueflame]

400 dollars for a 30 gig ipod with all the accesories, plus a nice padded case. AND... ive decided to throw in the worlds smallest cell phone. the Panasonic GD55, it is yet another electronic i never use.
http://www.mobile-review.com/review/panasonic-gd55-live-en.shtml

the ipod was bought in august, and it has never left its dock. ive literally never used it. it just sits there.
ok lemme know,
Andreas
goderd@aol.com

[Powerbook G5]

How come you've never used your iPod? And wow, how can you even use that cell phone? The only reason why I got the Samsung that I got was because it was reasonably big enough to use so it doesn't feel awkward to use. It reminds me of Amy's cell phone from Futurama. :p "What's wrong, Amy, did you swallow your cell phone again?"

[Edot]

The iPod mini is $249 because it is very small and light! 31% of mp3 customers paid a lot of $$ for small size when they could have spent the same amount for something that has over 10X the space. Size is very important to a lot of people. $50 for 10 extra GB that they will not use is $50 that could be spent elsewhere. Remember this site sometimes isn't the best place for recommendations because most of the posters are power users and more is always better. I would go to an Apple Store or somewhere where you can pick up the mini and play with it. A business card is really small. If you haven't done it, get a business card. You will be surprised at how much smaller it is than the iPod.

[smilprod]

Deleting songs from the iPod requires that you connect to a computer and from what I have used it appears that the only easy way to get song off of iPod is to delete it from iTunes player. That is a real pain in the butt. Go big with the iPod, even the 40 gig still fits in your shirt pocket. That is where I keep mine. Good luck they are all awesome machines.

[Edot]

Originally posted by smilprod
Deleting songs from the iPod requires that you connect to a computer and from what I have used it appears that the only easy way to get song off of iPod is to delete it from iTunes player. That is a real pain in the butt. Go big with the iPod, even the 40 gig still fits in your shirt pocket. That is where I keep mine. Good luck they are all awesome machines.

If you set the iPod to manual you can drag songs off of the iPod as if it were a playlist. This way you don't have to remove the song from your library for the iPod to remove it also.

[~Shard~]

Originally posted by Edot
If you set the iPod to manual you can drag songs off of the iPod as if it were a playlist. This way you don't have to remove the song from your library for the iPod to remove it also.

This is correct, I have to do everything manually with my iPod as well. Having over 100 GB of MP3s on my machine, well, I don't think setting my 40 GB iPod to auto download, etc. everything would be a good idea. :cool:

[Powerbook G5]

How many songs does 100 gigs equal? That's an insanely large collection. Were you the guy Steve was referring to who spent nearly $30,000 on the iTunes music store? :p

[~Shard~]

Originally posted by Powerbook G5
How many songs does 100 gigs equal? That's an insanely large collection. Were you the guy Steve was referring to who spent nearly $30,000 on the iTunes music store? :p

Heh heh - no, I haven't spent that much on iTunes - I'm in Canada, so I haven't spent anything at ITMS yet! ;)

As for my collection, I record the 2-hour BBC Radio One Essential Mix every week and encode it to MP3. Each show it about 170 MB, and I have all of the mixes since 1993, so, well, you can do the math. :cool: Besides that, I have a ton of albums, all of my audio CDs, and miscellaneous other MP3s on my server box. If I imported everything into iTunes, I'd predict my whole collection is about 140-150 GB.

Yah I know I'm a freak. :cool:

[FuzzyBallz]

Originally posted by RugoseCone
I just got back from the show last night and I have to say the pictures DO NOT do this device justice.

Actually looking at one and holding it in your hand will be enough to sway many of the people complaining about the price. Trust me on this. Same with the size. I know it doesn't look any smaller in the photos, but when you hold this thing it is very noticeable.

The colors look way cooler in person too.

A lot of the disappointment voiced here will vanish once people see these up close

Exactly what I was thinking. Just got back from the expo today. The mini wins hands down over the ipod. :drool:

[hulugu]

Originally posted by kjdenison
quick question about the normal ipods, how are they for excercising?? Like i lift and run and everything, will i be able to clip it on my shorts, or will it be too heavy. That is a big buying point for me.

I've used mine while jogging and while bouldering. I wouldn't put it in jogging shorts, because it will bang against your leg, but I've used a vest, a shirt with pockets, an extra chalk bag with belt, and now a Marware case with the arm strap and all have worked very well. The iPod can take some shifting and banging, but if you can find a place that doesn't take much shock, your upper body for example, it will be fine.

As for the mini-iPod and its pricing, I only ask this:
How much was a 5GB Mac only iPod the day it was announced? Guess what, it was more than $249. Smaller = more expensive. New technology (ie the smaller drive) = more expensive. Give it six months to a year and the mini will be in the sweet spot.
For now if you really like the little one, go for it, but the 15GB is the best value because it is only slightly bigger, comes with the dock, and has more than 3x the capacity. It would have behoved Apple to hit around $200, but I have absolutely no idea how much it costs to make one of the minis right now. And neither does anyone else around here.

<Edit for lousy typing skills>

[sinisterdesign]

Originally posted by hulugu
It would have behoved Apple to hit around $200, but I have absolutely no idea how much it costs to make one of the minis right now. And neither does anyone else around here.

i agree, $200 would have been a nice middle of the ground price for the mini, but those parts still haven't come down in price like the large, computer hard drives. i'm HOPING the mini doesn't end up w/ the same fate as the Cube: too small for the high-end user & too pricey for the entry-level user.

the new design IS pretty sweet, i'm looking fwd to holding one, but i'll never buy one b/c i'm at 18GB of music & growing. that's why my advice for kjdenison would be like most of the rest here, go 15GB. even IF you delete out enough music to squeeze onto a mini today, what are you going to do next month when you go to cash in all those Pepsi iTMS downloads? it would be a pain in the ass to keep trying to decide what gets dropped every few weeks. trust me, i'm down to about 400MB left on my 20GB and i'm weeding through my music to get rid of stuff i don't listen to much.

it's a bummer, though. i feel for you wanting the cool new design, but if you're dropping $$$ on the thing, look long term...

[beefstu01]

In defense of the price of the new mini, I just bought a 2.2 GB microdrive for my camera, and shelled out close to $200 for that. I know that these things cost much less in volume, but just some food for thought, the drives that these things use are pretty friggin expensive, plus there's all the other parts that cost too (case, lcd, backlight, circut board, etc...), which can rack up the price quickly.

[Powerbook G5]

One thing that could probably appease a lot of people is including the dock or even the arm band with it. I'm sure those docks are pretty cheap for Apple to throw in since they control them and probably have the ability to make as many as they need for next to nothing, so including one with each mini would be a minimal added cost that could make people believe they are getting a better deal with their iPod mini purchase. But either way, I want to get one. I am simply nowhere close to 4 gigs in my music collection and my school has really anal firewalls that block any way of me downloading content so it's rare that I am even able to build on my collection besides importing CDs.

[FuzzyBallz]

When you have control over something, and I mean monopoly control, you'll want to squeeze every last penny a consumer's willing to spend on a product. So if a consumer wants the new mini dock, he/she will have to shell out for it. Job's not gonna throw it in just so more people will buy it. He knows people are gonna buy it, period. Just as I know I'll get one of the mini iPods. Damn you Jobs. Damn you to hell for making me spend more money.

[~Shard~]

Originally posted by FuzzyBallz
When you have control over something, and I mean monopoly control, you'll want to squeeze every last penny a consumer's willing to spend on a product. So if a consumer wants the new mini dock, he/she will have to shell out for it. Job's not gonna throw it in just so more people will buy it. He knows people are gonna buy it, period. Just as I know I'll get one of the mini iPods. Damn you Jobs. Damn you to hell for making me spend more money.

That's what Jobs does though - gotta love him and gotta hate him for it! He's done it to me before as well... ;) :cool: