2nd Generation iPod Touch: 2.1 Firmware, Speaker, Thinner

[MacRumors]

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Apple released the new iPod Touch today at their media event. The new iPod Touch matches up with the rumors, now sporting a curved back but retaining the same storage capacities. Features include:

- 2.1 Firmware
- Built-in speaker, volume controls
- Genius playlist
- Nike+iPod support
- Battery: 36 hours for music, 6 hours for video.
- $229 for 8GB, $299 for 16GB, $399 for 32GB

Apple also appears to be positioning the iPod Touch as a gaming device with a new ad that shows off a number of games and calls it the "funnest iPod ever". Phil Schiller also demonstrated a number of games on stage, including Spore Origins, Real Soccer 2009 and Need for Speed: Undercover.

Spore Origins was released (http://www.macrumors.com/iphone/2008/09/08/spore-origins-now-available-for-iphone-and-ipod-touch/) for the iPhone and iPod Touch just yesterday, and a first look gameplay video (http://toucharcade.com/2008/09/09/first-look-video-of-real-soccer-2009/) of Real Soccer 2009 has been posted to TouchArcade.com (http://toucharcade.com).

The 2.1 upgrade will be available for free for current iPod Touch owners with Firmware 2.0.

The new iPod Touches should appear at http://www.apple.com/ipodtouch/ later today.

Article Link (http://www.macrumors.com/2008/09/09/2nd-generation-ipod-touch-2-1-firmware-speaker-thinner/)

[Eidorian]

The Nano was just as promised beforehand and the Touch is sexy but no GPS. I'm drooling over the built-in speaker though. Not to mention the Touch's insane battery life...

iPhone and Touch are making up Apple's portable game machine market. (LOL Pippen) I wonder what Nintendo is thinking.

http://i35.tinypic.com/295vkgm.jpg

[Lesser Evets]

Just ordered a 16GB.

I hoped for more, but expected this price and size as a minimal. Speaker is nice!

[Apple Ink]

Nothing new was there? Everything was expected (though MR discarded the Nike+)

[ChemiosMurphy]

the no GPS is kind of lame. I'm probably still going to buy it since I corrupted my NVRAM on my iPhone.

[nagromme]

I never saw how the Touch could ever have dropped anywhere CLOSE to the iPhone's subsidized price, since AT&T pays $300 or more for your iPhone, on top of what you pay.

The speaker is nice--not for music so much (though my iPhone's speaker is acceptable for that in a pinch) but for other uses such as alarm clock, timer, headphone-free gaming and video (YouTube with friends), and email notification (which I assume can be auto-checked while you're in WiFi range).

[dasikes]

Has anyone heard if the current generation Touches will receive the Genius Playlist?

I'm assuming so, because they certainly wouldn't leave the iPhone users out of this, so it's got to be nothing more than a software update.

[yorkshire]

Got my 8gb ordered!:D

External speaker is the big plus for me.

[drb6]

Is the back of the new Touch brushed silver like iPhone 1? On some pictures on the site it looks that way, on others it looks like the reflective silver.

[VaatiKaiba]

I'm slightly disappointed. I had been hoping for at least another colour / plastic backing, and (although I knew this was unlikely) GPS. Nice to see it got a built in speaker.

I was going to get it, but now I'm not sure - Nanos are very tempting... or maybe both!

[FSUSem1noles]

More importantly, what is that background on that 3rd touch from the left, that's standing up?

It looks amazing!

[panoz7]

"funnest iPod ever".

Are these apple's words? Funnest?

[OnaMacSince1989]

Sweet $100 price drop and some nice new features! :)

[Lesser Evets]

Is the back of the new Touch brushed silver like iPhone 1? On some pictures on the site it looks that way, on others it looks like the reflective silver.

Back is stainless. I got engraving and it showed stainless steel.

[JG271]

Are these apple's words? Funnest?

Yeah, it is even written on the online apple store!:eek:

[sam10685]

Really hope it also has a built in microphone.

[D 5]

Mic maybe?

[SphericalPear]

REALLY LAME

no GPS, no volume increases, no MICROPHONE... the old ipod touch a bit smaller.

sorry, applie, not excited.

just ripping students off to get laptops incl free fake-new ipod before the 15th... of steve.

[dasikes]

If there was a mic, it would have been announced.

Don't anyone hold your breath for it.

[jarrodtb]

More importantly, what is that background on that 3rd touch from the left, that's standing up?

Tap Tap Revenge

[Beric]

A bummer update, too expensive. No GPS.

Speakers? OK. Volume controls? Necessary.

I'll get one, but I'm bummed big time.

The Touch is thin enough! :(

[loggger]

More importantly, what is that background on that 3rd touch from the left, that's standing up?

It looks amazing!

Its a game called tap tap. i think its available for free. had on on my first touch. pretty cool

[IJ Reilly]

The speaker is nice--not for music so much (though my iPhone's speaker is acceptable for that in a pinch) but for other uses such as alarm clock, timer, headphone-free gaming and video (YouTube with friends), and email notification (which I assume can be auto-checked while you're in WiFi range).

It's not clear what the speaker is good for. The original touch has resonator which plays alarms and notifications.

[gillybean]

More importantly, what is that background on that 3rd touch from the left, that's standing up?

It looks amazing!
That's Tap Tap revolution. It's a free game on the App store, it's been out for a while.

[iCantwait]

actually the earphones have a mic and volume control on them, But WHERE ARE THE SPEAKERS, i cant see any?

[guzhogi]

Is the new Nike+iPod thing in these hardware or software? I'd like to use it on my 1st gen iPhone.

[flyers1]

anyone know when they will be available in an apple retail store?

[drb6]

anyone know when they will be available in an apple retail store?

According to the Live blogging, they are available now for ordering.

[ataylor]

anyone know if they'll support 1st generation ipod touch with the nike+ system? i realize it won't be built in, but even with the adaptor like the ipod nano it would be cool. please!

ataylor

[Emulsion]

The mics are in the headphones, along with a simple controller.

I.e. iPhone earbuds.

[drmike]

I was hoping for a 64GB Touch at $399, but what can ya do? Gonna probably get the 32GB at $399! :)

[xiaobao68]

What cares about nike+ in a iTouch? Strap that brick around your arm and run? Where is the GPS? Mic? Camera?

I am SO SO DISAPPOINTED!

Sigh...

Saving my money...

[SphericalPear]

only there to show sj is healthy - for the shareholders. this is a scam, don't fall into it.

[indigo144]

From an industry-leadership perspective, last year's model with memory bump consistent with today's memory prices would have been so much better.

Apple's primary goal is not to lead in innovation but rather milk profits. Spiritually, the obituary may have been timely.

(No offense Steve - you deserve a rest, but ...)

[Steven.nevets]

i think most people are missing the best announcement here... free update to 2.1 for all current 2.0 owners.

finally, i'll be able to use my ipod without having to restore every single day. it's been in restore mode for three weeks now, since 2.0.2, and i've seen errors 1601, 2005, 6...

if this update doesn't fix my ipod, i'm buying a zune.

[flyers1]

According to the Live blogging, they are available now for ordering.

I meant in the local retail stores as well as BestBuy, etc

[capodaca]

So how lame is this ! No 64 GB iPod Touch ?!?!? And you people aren't even talking about it? With all the push for increased download of Apps, songs and video they don't even offer more memory. LAME LAME LAME

[Jesstastic]

No 80GB :'(

[drb6]

I meant in the local retail stores as well as BestBuy, etc

Ah I see, yes I don't know about this.

[BrownManUPS]

With the iPod touch having a speaker, the device has accelerated into an ultimate gaming/ipod device. Expect many games to come out to revolutionize the way games are played on portable devices.

On a side note, I am incredibly pleased with the 2.1 firmware for iPhone...the dropped calls and lack of reception is killing me.

[isoceles]

Yawn....
Bring on the MBPs.

[macenforcer]

It's not clear what the speaker is good for.

Ummm, listening to music?? :rolleyes:

[currentinterest]

If the mic is there, a VOIP app cannot be far behind. That is big news.

[macenforcer]

Yawn....
Bring on the MBPs.

Apple doesn't make computers anymore.

[drb6]

So how lame is this ! No 64 GB iPod Touch ?!?!? And you people aren't even talking about it? With all the push for increased download of Apps, songs and video they don't even offer more memory. LAME LAME LAME

I think this was a reach to expect 64GB in this update as many people have said in the forums that flash memory hasn't dropped that much yet and also they would have to make the Touch bigger to accommodate two 32GB chips. Someone else can correct me if I'm wrong.

But maybe January/Spring is a more appropriate time to hope for this capacity update?

[atomoboy]

Yawn. Did someone say something?

[grahambrunk]

It sucks that there is STILL no camera. It would be such an easy thing for apple to add to this device to make its funcationality go much further!

[mekopolis]

their $79 earbuds have a mic on them, that works with the new nano, I am assuming they also work with the Touch? at least from their language it sounded like that, they said it would

but this comes from a company that is launching a Funnest Media Campaign

[TYDZN]

The mic and volume controls on the new $29 earbuds seem to only work for the new iPod Touch 2nd Gen. (per apples online store) WHAT? I want a mic and volume controls for my 1st gen iPod Touch!!

[istealth]

Wirelessly posted (Mozilla/4.0 Sprint:MotoQ (compatible; MSIE 4.01; Windows CE; Smartphone; 176x220))

is the ipod touch firmware 2.1 available for download yet for existing touch users??????

[godfreyhk]

So was there a price drop..? I can't remember what the original price was, anyone?

[salvatorereda]

• were is flash-lite? I want to watch video on this and show it on the tv!!!

• what about cut and paste. i like to send URLs via email

• why wont they let Skype work on this> what the hold up....

• why cant i refresh my podcast via WIFI or upload music to it via WIFI....

[madmaxmedia]

I think this was a reach to expect 64GB in this update as many people have said in the forums that flash memory hasn't dropped that much yet and also they would have to make the Touch bigger to accommodate two 32GB chips. Someone else can correct me if I'm wrong.

But maybe January/Spring is a more appropriate time to hope for this capacity update?

That's correct. I imagine a 64GB will come soon, just as the original 32GB was announced later.

Are we absolutely sure that the headphones with remote and mic are bundled?

Also, do we know for sure if the mic will work with the Touch? I assume so, but confirmation would be nice.

[akira2501]

Looks like the rise of the machines was due to the genius in itunes 8. It figured out that most humans like crappy music and decided to eliminate the problem. Proof. Look at the slide where all data goes to SKYNET.:eek:

[parkeyb]

So...how did that qualify as a "big deal" in any way? I love :apple: and what they do for the technology industry but how can they possibly afford to lead the media on like this? This was not only not revolutionary it barely warranted an under the radar release let alone a big scale event. Computer technology is drastically lagging!!


edit: Not to mention no copy/paste, no facebook 2.0, no turn by turn gps, no picture messaging.... this is ridiculous.

[capodaca]

I think this was a reach to expect 64GB in this update as many people have said in the forums that flash memory hasn't dropped that much yet and also they would have to make the Touch bigger to accommodate two 32GB chips. Someone else can correct me if I'm wrong.

But maybe January/Spring is a more appropriate time to hope for this capacity update?

Of course - right after people have spent millions for the 32Gig for Xmas they'll release the 64Gig in January. Typical - yet smart tactic - of Apple gouging the consumer.

[bananas]

nice.
Price drop makes iPod Touch really tempting.
219€ is quite a reasonable price.

[Trajectory]

So...how did that qualify as a "big deal" in any way?

It didn't. Apple is pulling some shady marketing crap.

[BenRoethig]

It's not clear what the speaker is good for. The original touch has resonator which plays alarms and notifications.

Listening to music and watching movies without headphones.

[SphericalPear]

stop the b*sing. there has been ZERO "b ig thing".
interesting thread on this:
http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=559385
http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=559385
http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=559385
http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=559385

[godfreyhk]

Listening to music and watching movies without headphones.

Listening to music might be pushing it too far, but being able to watch movies and play games without having to wear a speaker would be great.

[Sarwanster]

nice, going to buy one.

[BrownManUPS]

What with this?

http://images.apple.com/ipodtouch/images/overview-sleekdesign20080909.jpg

With a stunningly thin, contoured stainless steel design

Seems like an error, seeing as the backing looks like an stainless steel finish, rather than the typical iPod backing finish (that smudges). Kinda like an iPhone.

[drb6]

Are we absolutely sure that the headphones with remote and mic are bundled?


I don't believe so, that's for the $29 accessory. According to this:
http://www.apple.com/ipodtouch/specs.html
the headphones are the regular ones, as before.

[madmaxmedia]

So...how did that qualify as a "big deal" in any way? I love :apple: and what they do for the technology industry but how can they possibly afford to lead the media on like this? This was not only not revolutionary it barely warranted an under the radar release let alone a big scale event. Computer technology is drastically lagging!!

I agree. I mean all the improvements are fine, just not super-noteworthy.

I do like the Genius feature, I think it has a lot of potential especially as SkyNet gets smarter and smarter.

I think they could've introduced even more software innovations for the Touch. Skype would've been great (with the new headphones), Wifi podcast updating, maybe a NFL app similar to the MLB app...They could've demo'd all of those and skipped 1 or 2 of the games, and made the new Touch seem like a bigger deal.

[Thereverend]

Now I am a big Apple Fan boy and I have to say that this event didn't cause rockets to shoot out of my ass!

What a let down!

I think it is my fault because I was hopping for more.

Big price drops so my friends will stop saying that Apple stuff costs too much.

Cut and Paste. Come on!!!!

Speakers on the Touch.

I liked the new earphones though and my iPhone rocks; so all is good. But why didn't they just release this stuff on their Web. There was no big jaw dropping announcement or did I miss something?

Garret

[kalex]

so they integrated Nike into the ipod but still no bluetooth. Nice going apple

[Peace]

Check your updates kids.

QT 7.5.5

Front Row

*needed for iTunes 8.0*

[SphericalPear]

not even noteworthy. gradual update, not worth a SJ meeting.

some guys (friends who actually attended) and i are planning to reveal this bogus to the media.
http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=559385

if you;re a blogger, spread the world of this
corporate
bll
shi
t

[IJ Reilly]

Ummm, listening to music?? :rolleyes:

Really? You like to listen to music through miniscule speakers? Yuck.

[Crimsonpaw]

I was a bit bummed that there was no GPS in the touch since I figured that would be the easiest to implement. Either way I was going to get one so I just dropped the $400 on a 32GB one.

Even though I told the wife I was gonna get one I'm sure she'll still be p!ssed (especially considering we just dropped $300 last night on new cell phones).

[Phish311]

do the old cases for the original ipod touch fit these new ones?

[unkle77]

been waiting on new macbook/pro updates for months and months and still nothing.

gotta be honest, this was the worst apple event ever imo.

[Crimsonpaw]

do the old cases for the original ipod touch fit these new ones?
I would guess not since there are the volume controls on the side.

[silentbob0321]

does anyone know if the new in hear head phones will work with the iphone? on the product page ( http://www.apple.com/ipod/inearheadphones/) if you look at the bottom it says which products work with it but doesn't say iphone...

[johnmcboston]

I was a bit bummed that there was no GPS in the touch since I figured that would be the easiest to implement.

Agreed. I was hoping for more 'phone' stuff, or to play the touch as a real mobile computer and not an ipod. instead they advertised it as a game console. zzzzzzzz. This is so close to just being a portable mac, and they didn't go there.

[Dale Sorel]

The Touch is thin enough! :(

The 1st gen is 0.31 in thick, the 2nd gen is 0.33 in thick... go figure :rolleyes:

[SphericalPear]

been waiting on new macbook/pro updates for months and months and still nothing.

gotta be honest, this was the worst apple event ever imo.

you know why? because it was a fake event in terms of innovation but a pure corporate marketing idea - catering to worried shareholders b/c Steve Job's latest health rumors.

recent thread started on this bogus - join us in pointing that out:
http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?p=6196924&posted=1#post6196924

[parkeyb]

you know why? because it was a fake event in terms of innovation but a pure corporate marketing idea - catering to worried shareholders b/c Steve Job's latest health rumors.

recent thread started on this bogus - join us in pointing that out:
http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?p=6196924&posted=1#post6196924

Ok, spherical we get it your upset, we all are. But you got your message out there, no need to spam it man.

[specialbuddy]

No stereo bluetooth. Boo. Nothing during this event excited me.

[madmaxmedia]

The 1st gen is 0.31 in thick, the 2nd gen is 0.33 in thick... go figure :rolleyes:

Yeah, calling it the thinner than the last seems deceptive.

I will say that the new iPhone feels not only thinner but more comfortable to hold than the original, and it is also slightly thicker at the thickest point. I'm sure the new Touch will be same way, so it's still an improvement.

[Westside guy]

The one thing I'm envious of with the new Touches is the addition of volume buttons. The built-in speaker would be handy for PhoneSaber :D but that's about it.

[unkle77]

you know why? because it was a fake event in terms of innovation but a pure corporate marketing idea - catering to worried shareholders b/c Steve Job's latest health rumors.

recent thread started on this bogus - join us in pointing that out:
http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?p=6196924&posted=1#post6196924

yea that may have something to do with it.

also, a lot of colleges start at the end of September. i think they are deliberately delaying the launch of the new laptops just to push old/unwanted inventory onto students.

i love apple and everything but cmon...

[DaBrain]

The mic and volume controls on the new $29 earbuds seem to only work for the new iPod Touch 2nd Gen. (per apples online store) WHAT? I want a mic and volume controls for my 1st gen iPod Touch!!

Well that figures! Not buying another touch! I hate these freaking gimmicks! :rolleyes:

I will Not go ahead and spend another $79 to get these buds! Confirmed just now that the Control capsule for volume and mic will not work on 1st Gen touch!

Getting tired of these incremental upgrades fast! :mad:

[pintsallround]

Wow, so many people complaining about the features the Touch is missing. No 64 gb, no camera, no gps, blablabla. This is first and foremost a music player, how much extras can you expect to fit in this thin piece of hardware??

[bryonbrock]

Remember if you've jailbroken your device don't upgrade right away wait for the all clear. http://www.iphone-hacks.com/2008/09/09/iphone-21-to-be-available-friday-september-12/

[Phish311]

Can you run multiple aps at a time. For example, can i be listening to music, have my AIM client open while playing a game? Thanks

[capodaca]

That's correct. I imagine a 64GB will come soon, just as the original 32GB was announced later.

Are we absolutely sure that the headphones with remote and mic are bundled?

Also, do we know for sure if the mic will work with the Touch? I assume so, but confirmation would be nice.

Don't get me wrong, I'm a fan of the Touch, but Apple needs to be held to a higher standard if they want all the limelight. Deliver to the consumer what they want. I've been reading for a while now about people wanting more memory and now that the announcements come out the media and bloggers choose to overlook it. To me this is just another sign of Apple going the way of Google - down down down.

[Yixian]

Will Nike+ work on iPhones?

[Joegonk]

I needed to see 64 GB today. I'll wait it out. I was ready too.

[sishaw]

not even noteworthy. gradual update, not worth a SJ meeting.

some guys (friends who actually attended) and i are planning to reveal this bogus to the media.
http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=559385

if you;re a blogger, spread the world of this
corporate
bll
shi
t

I'm sure "the media" knows. What are you going to do next, blow the lid off campaign ads?

[Dale Sorel]

Yeah, calling it the thinner than the last seems deceptive.

Yes... "thinner" and "feels thinner" are not quite the same thing.

[a456]

What Apple have done with the iPod Touch is to stand up and say we are now ready to compete as a gaming platform, and what's more we are changing the whole sales/delivery model by making the entry level slightly dearer than Nintendo DS and PSP but making the games a fraction of the price - so once you've bought the thing the games cost peanuts - there'll be no hesitation forking out £5.99 to download a title and £24.99 will now seem so over priced so as to be ridiculous. As a gaming device the Touch has all it needs and more, and is set to redefine the market. Maybe many will stand by Nintendo and rightly so, but Sony is going to lose a lot (more) of its gamers.

[FoxHoundADAM]

I waited for 2 years before I finally made a decision to replace my broke iPod classic. I really wanted to get a touch but the price was just too much, when the 32GB one came out I was oh so close to getting one.

I wanted to wait until this event before finally replacing it but when I saw the rumors abuot its new "features" I said screw it and bought an iPhone. Glad I did. The Touch could be really great but now it's just a gimp iPhone and still costs more.

[Eric S.]

Volume control is nice but there's no pause control? That would be more important to me. I'm even more glad now that I got my free Touch in the summer promotion; I don't see anything here to get excited about.

[Diversion]

iPod Touch 2g is 5 grams lighter than the 1g Touch, but is .5mm thicker.

Why do they keep saying they new iPhone and new Touch is thinner than last years? Tapered edges does not equal thinner in my book.

.5mm is nothing to get upset over though, i'm just arguing on technicalities.

Being lighter is more important to me than being thinner. People who carry items in their pockets such as myself always appreciate our everyday items getting lighter and more less noticeable in ones pocket.

Jay

[The Tall One]

So, is my DS better? Probably. I'm not such a fan of Renaissance device only because they can't focus on one aspect. Can't make a good portable media center and also have it be a good gaming device. Or maybe you can.

[drb6]

Well to begin with, I think a lot of people rightly didn't expect much from the update. The Nano update was definitely more interesting.

What we got was a small incremental update which they have to do to keep the line fresh. Maybe they just weren't ready with the bigger updates. Who knows. All it means is that some people will sit on their money for a bit longer if this doesn't fit their needs.

I have to say though that the Genius stuff is pretty cool, not as much the one that recommends what else to buy from iTunes, but the pandora aspect of it. I would be using that a lot to create playlists but also to find new music.

[peterdevries]

Can you run multiple aps at a time. For example, can i be listening to music, have my AIM client open while playing a game? Thanks

No, not unless the push notification system is implemented in firmware 2.1., and even then you will have to see whether the apps you use support that feature.

[Eric S.]

Why do they keep saying they new iPhone and new Touch is thinner than last years? Tapered edges does not equal thinner in my book.

That's marketing-think for you. According to those folks, if it's thinner at its thinnest point they get to make that claim. I think they did something similar with the Macbook Air, comparing it to other notebooks.

[pol0001]

The Nano was just as promised beforehand and the Touch is sexy but no GPS. I'm drooling over the built-in speaker though. Not to mention the Touch's insane battery life...

iPhone and Touch are making up Apple's portable game machine market. (LOL Pippen) I wonder what Nintendo is thinking.

http://i35.tinypic.com/295vkgm.jpg

lol .... Judgement Day is coming! Someone better tell Sarah Connor. :rolleyes:

[culero]

Has anyone seen any sites that have protective cases for this version? I know there is one out there already for the nanos. Please, let me know here or via PM. Thanks.

ps. I can't wait to get my new toy! :)

[Clayne]

So who's waiting for 64GB?

I'm debating.

[wh!plash]

Legitimate question:

Can anybody confirm or deny the existence of the VPN software on the iPod touch?

I've got a 3G iphone, but i want to make sure the VPN software comes on the touch before i buy one for somebody.

[papiti]

OK, Downloaded and installed iTunes 8.0. Genius is doing its job. Will let you guys know!!:D:apple:

[zathras]

Well i've been looking forward to one with a speaker so I'm in for one. Our local Apple store doesn't know when they will be getting them so I ordered one from Amazon (they are popping in and out of existence on their touch page) to save on tax...

[aafuss1]

$549 for 32GB compared to $629 for the first ipod touch in Australia.

Can the exsisting Nike+ sensor for shoes be used?

[bushido]

is there a price for the nike+ device for your shoe yet and more important does it work with every shoe now?

[vanzskater272]

i was hoping for a speaker and camera but ill take the speaker. i ordered a 16gb touch.

[Yixian]

Will Nike+ work with the iPhone?

[happydude]

*huge long exasperated yawn*

[Formativeyears]

I'm confused about one thing - does the new ipod touch have the built in voice recording that the new nano has? I'm guessing no since there was no mention of it during the press conference, but it doesn't really make sense.

[Diversion]

That's marketing-think for you. According to those folks, if it's thinner at its thinnest point they get to make that claim. I think they did something similar with the Macbook Air, comparing it to other notebooks.

I agree it's all about marketing and how they twist the reality of it.

Regarding the MacBook Air.. it truly is one thin laptop even disregarding the thin tapered edges.. it's still the, if not one of the thinnest laptops in existance with a near-desktop full speed CPU. But that's for another discussion ;)

[eastcoastsurfer]

I wonder what Nintendo is thinking.


Well considering that nintendo has sold almost 78M DSs to date they probably aren't thinking too much about the Touch. My guess it that they are looking at the touch and thinking they already did that a long time ago and are looking at the next revolutionary thing they can do.

[Analog Kid]

Not much of a change-- still waiting for more capacity...

[cRuNcHiE]

Am i the only one that wanted bluetooth so i could use it with my Sony Ericsson W890i SMALL 3g phone's connection ?

I dont need a big device like the iphone all the time and switching sim cards between phones for nights out at the pub isnt exactly practical.

[Porco]

I needed to see 64 GB today. I'll wait it out. I was ready too.

So who's waiting for 64GB?

I'm debating.

Me too. If it had been 64GB I would have definitely ordered one today. I don't care about the 'genius' or the built in speaker at all. And the price cut isn't that great. And it costs more in the UK than in the US. *sigh*

I'm replacing an almost always nearly-full 60GB 5G iPod, so 32GB just doesn't cut it for me, especially when I'll need room for apps on top of music and video.

So I'm going to wait too. Very disappointed.

[iMacmatician]

- $229 for 8GB, $299 for 16GB, $399 for 32GBLooks like I wasn't far off on the capacities and the prices.

I would expect 64 GB to come in H1 2009 and to augment the current iPod touch lineup. So it seems like the iPod touch is more front and center in the iPod lineup, further augmented by the iPod classic going down from two models to one.

[JoeDRC]

i'm ordering a new Nano! :]
16gb not decided on which colour yet :]

[tshort]

Other than iTunes 8.0/content, no changes for :apple:TV? :(

[SHOlover]

The Nike plus is a great feature...makes the ipod touch more tempting...before the update I was thinking:

"Wait, you want to give me less space, for more money than my classic? WTF?"

But now all I have to say is "Why is this not an iphone?" The two are so similar. Contacts? really? on a music player? Argggg!


Marty

[levaleva]

Am I missing something? Why is the new touch $100 less on Apple's website compared Best Buy? or $50 less than Amazon??

[Doju]

Question::

Can I Get A Video Somewhere Of The Announcement? Like The Keynotes On Apples Site??

Thx :)

[NothingShocking]

Am I missing something? Why is the new touch $100 less on Apple's website compared Best Buy? or $50 less than Amazon??

wellll i would think apple would update right away and it will take other retailers longer then an hour after it's announced to update their page.

best buy still lists old models.

[inkswamp]

And no computer updates. Criminy, when was the last time Apple did anything significant onstage about Macs? It's all freakin' music and phones now.

Sigh.

I guess it's official. We Mac users get to sit in the back of the bus behind the iPhone and iPod users. Oh well, it's easier to hit them with spit-wads from back here I guess. :rolleyes:

[Teddy's]

I have been away, kinda, from MR. I heard about the event today and I am now visiting. Wow, Did I miss anything? Those posts about "I am disappointed, I am angry, I won't buy! Piss off SJ!!:mad:, Marketing Scam" Wow!, Scary! Surely, I did not expect much.

I was not expecting GPS, Camera, Wifi, plastic back :rolleyes:, 80Gb, etc. Sometimes we have to be realistic and look back at past events.

Ok, the only thing I was expecting was Copy and Paste in Firmware 2.1. Maybe something about Flash. But I am not angry.

[saxman]

And no computer updates. Criminy, when was the last time Apple did anything significant onstage about Macs? It's all freakin' music and phones now.

Sigh.

I guess it's official. We Mac users get to sit in the back of the bus behind the iPhone and iPod users. Oh well, it's easier to hit them with spit-wads from back here I guess. :rolleyes:

Mac hardware has been out of the limelight for a while I guess. I'm sure a touchscreen iMac or a tablet would warrant it's own 'show, but who knows when?

[puffnstuff]

There is a mic for the 2nd gen ipod touch
http://store.apple.com/us/product/MA850#overview

But I am going to hold-off buying a new one until they stretch the screen.

[akac]

• what about cut and paste. i like to send URLs via email

Doable today. No need for copy/paste.

• why wont they let Skype work on this> what the hold up....

Who says its Apple? It took Skype months and years to get it working on other mobiles.

[ryanrul]

There is a mic for the 2nd gen ipod touch
http://store.apple.com/us/product/MA850#overview

But I am going to hold-off buying a new one until they stretch the screen.

No there's a mic on the Apple headphones.
Not the same thing at all, if you like to use your own headphones.

[mrwilly123]

I'm surprised you guys are all lamenting no GPS. Think for a sec. The only way the touch can get data (like map info) is over wifi. A GPS device without built-in maps or a cell connection is totally useless.

[stockcerts]

I'm surprised you guys are all lamenting no GPS. Think for a sec. The only way the touch can get data (like map info) is over wifi. A GPS device without built-in maps or a cell connection is totally useless.

Without turn by turn software, the gps provides very little value. Why is it other smartphones have turn by turn, but the invention of the century can't have it?

[BWhaler]

I think it was a nice update on the software side, a mild update on the hardware side.

I would have bought a new one if the touch was offered in 64gb. I already own the 32gb touch, and while the new features are great and most welcome, the feature which will inspire me to upgrade is more storage.

I will wait until Apple releases a 64gb touch model to upgrade. There's nothing wrong with holding on to my money a tad bit longer. :-)

[DN7335]

Doable today. No need for copy/paste.


How?

[akac]

How?

Go to website. Click the + sign. Mail Link.

[igoldfish]

Why do we get ripped off in the UK?

16GB

US Price $299

US$ TO GBR£ Conversion £170

UK Price £220

WHAT GIVES?!

[chadder007]

Wow, so many people complaining about the features the Touch is missing. No 64 gb, no camera, no gps, blablabla. This is first and foremost a music player, how much extras can you expect to fit in this thin piece of hardware??

We want a handheld that can do it all without having to get into a phone contract. :D

[Wondercow]

I'm surprised you guys are all lamenting no GPS. Think for a sec. The only way the touch can get data (like map info) is over wifi. A GPS device without built-in maps or a cell connection is totally useless.

So Apple sells maps individually or as a collection through the App Store. Duh.

[wordmunger]

And no computer updates. Criminy, when was the last time Apple did anything significant onstage about Macs? It's all freakin' music and phones now.

Sigh.

I guess it's official. We Mac users get to sit in the back of the bus behind the iPhone and iPod users. Oh well, it's easier to hit them with spit-wads from back here I guess. :rolleyes:

We knew in advance it would be an iPod event, and it was an iPod event. They updated the iPods, just like they do every year. Does every event have to include a mac update?

There are still rumors that there will be Mac updates in the next few weeks. Should iPod users complain about "sitting in the back of the bus" when that happens?

[graemesangels]

The refurbished 1st gen iPod touches on the Canadian Apple website are around $200 dollars off their original prices. Pretty good if you don't care about the upgrades.

[jlacus]

i plan on getting one....but has anyone tried to update their ipod touch yet to 2.1....i have the 2.0 upgrade but itunes isnt allowing me to download the new software...says my ipod cant be found. anyone else with this issue.

does anyone know how nice the speaker is?

[Gunga Din]

It sucks that there is STILL no camera. It would be such an easy thing for apple to add to this device to make its funcationality go much further!

Of course !! Look what they did with the speaker. Any moron would have put speaker and camera with the first generation. They are just milking people for money. Speaker today, camera in Novemeber.

Glad my iPod Touch was free, otherwise i'd have to wait till Christmas time when the thing comes with a camera.

As for gaming on this thing, its horrible IMO. I removed all the games I downloaded.

[Insulin Junkie]

Awesome improvements on the touch.

[wordmunger]

Glad my iPod Touch was free, otherwise i'd have to wait till Christmas time when the thing comes with a camera.

This *is* the Christmas update.

[Trajectory]

Ok, the only thing I was expecting was Copy and Paste in Firmware 2.1. Maybe something about Flash. But I am not angry.

It makes me angry that you're not angry.

[Pugpuppydude]

This battery is insane!!!! I am disappointed, very disappointed. No 64gig, no bluetooth, no GPS, but a speaker, volume toggles and insane battery. I still can't get over that battery. Ordering 32g now.

[baslotto]

Nice upgrades for the Touch...

[Neuro]

Are these apple's words? Funnest?

I know! With it not actually being a word, I read it as funniest...

[md63]

Why do we get ripped off in the UK?

16GB

US Price $299

US$ TO GBR£ Conversion £170

UK Price £220

WHAT GIVES?!


VAT. Deduct 17.5% from the UK price. Also, wait a few more weeks and then the US price will be more expensive than in UK. :rolleyes:

[inkswamp]

We knew in advance it would be an iPod event, and it was an iPod event. They updated the iPods, just like they do every year. Does every event have to include a mac update?

If this was an "iPod event" then what was the iPhone doing there? I know the iPhone can play music, but so can my Mac. If you can justify the iPhone announcements, then a Mac-related one could have been expected reasonably too.

There are still rumors that there will be Mac updates in the next few weeks. Should iPod users complain about "sitting in the back of the bus" when that happens?

No because the Mac updates will be released quietly in the middle of the night with little to no fanfare whatsoever and, if recent history is any guide, they're largely going to suck.

Screw it. Apple should just slap a "Made for iPod" sticker on the Mac and be honest about it. No updates for the Mini in almost a year. The updates to the iMac lately have been lackluster and the displays...? And how about that Mac-free keynote at WWDC? I'm not sure what Apple's thinking, but this nonstop focus on iPods and iPhone is starting to get on my nerves.

As I've said before, if Apple can't update the Macs in a timely manner, they should introduce regular price drops so it at least doesn't feel like their computer customers are getting the short end of the deal. I don't think that's unreasonable at all.

[compuguy1088]

There is a mic for the 2nd gen ipod touch
http://store.apple.com/us/product/MA850#overview

But I am going to hold-off buying a new one until they stretch the screen.

What is annoying about those new earbuds is the fact the mic and controls ONLY WORK on the new iPod touch, iPod nano, and the refreshed iPod classic. This leaves out the iPhones from the 1st and 2nd generations!!

[crunchiespg]

Of course !! Look what they did with the speaker. Any moron would have put speaker and camera with the first generation. They are just milking people for money. Speaker today, camera in Novemeber.

Glad my iPod Touch was free, otherwise i'd have to wait till Christmas time when the thing comes with a camera.

As for gaming on this thing, its horrible IMO. I removed all the games I downloaded.

im glad it didnt have gps or a camera... i wanted an ipod that could also play videos. the touch is best for that..

if i want to take photos i use my camera. if i want to use gps i use my tomtom or my garmin for in the woods.. and if i need to use the phone i use my cell..

folks, its an ipod, which is a media player... so im glad it didnt come with all this rubbish some of you wanted..

the only thing nicer would have been 64gb.. otherwise its perfect in my eyes..

[aaquib]

I want to pick up one of the In Ear Buds. Any idea if they'll work for volume control on the iPhone? The current earbuds for the iPhone only had track change and play/pause, no volume.

[wordmunger]

If this was an "iPod event" then what was the iPhone doing there? I know the iPhone can play music, but so can my Mac. If you can justify the iPhone announcements, then a Mac-related one could have been expected reasonably too.

iTunes 8?

No because the Mac updates will be released quietly in the middle of the night with little to no fanfare whatsoever and, if recent history is any guide, they're largely going to suck.

Right, just like the MacBook Air. A true lack of innovation from Apple.

Screw it. Apple should just slap a "Made for iPod" sticker on the Mac and be honest about it. No updates for the Mini in almost a year. The updates to the iMac lately have been lackluster and the displays...? And how about that Mac-free keynote at WWDC? I'm not sure what Apple's thinking, but this nonstop focus on iPods and iPhone is starting to get on my nerves.

As I've said before, if Apple can't update the Macs in a timely manner, they should introduce regular price drops so it at least doesn't feel like their computer customers are getting the short end of the deal. I don't think that's unreasonable at all.

Better yet, they should just give you free computers. *That's* a smart business model.

Seriously, personally I don't have an iPhone, and I have just a 2g Nano, but I don't fault Apple for pushing this technology. Clearly a lot of people really like it.

And while I know it's unpopular around here, I *love* my MBA.

[viniciusjarina]

2.1 Supports "Shuffle by Album", (like the old iPods) ??? :(

[rydenfan]

With dark colored ipods and nanos now available it would be cool if they offered the new headphones in black as well.

[Mattzane15]

Check it out just came to my software update

[sportfan6197]

What is annoying about those new earbuds is the fact the mic and controls ONLY WORK on the new iPod touch, iPod nano, and the refreshed iPod classic. This leaves out the iPhones from the 1st and 2nd generations!!

well that's what the iphone deserves for :apple: not giving the touch camera or gps :D

[clarksonknight]

Of course - right after people have spent millions for the 32Gig for Xmas they'll release the 64Gig in January. Typical - yet smart tactic - of Apple gouging the consumer.

Not quite sure I'd call it gouging. I'd call it making money.

[sapmacneo]

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http://images.macrumors.com/article/2008/09/09/142416-touch_400.png

Apple released the new iPod Touch today at their media event.
- $229 for 8GB, $299 for 16GB, $399 for 32GB




:apple:In US store it 299,299 and 399 USD
But Japan and Australia store had different pricing for all 3.
:apple:In Japan its almost 259,333,445 USD
:apple:In Oz its 267,340,445 USD
I don't understand y its 50$ costly ?
:confused:

[shigzeo]

nice to see that the back is still steel: that secures the headphone jack from being mauled by the headphone plug.

as well: new phones look to be high-tec and with a mic for a very good price. will they be good? no idea but for 79$ and dual microarmatures, not a bad price at all. 23 ohm will cause some problems (probably) for bass roll off but much better than some others.

probably people will discover hiss finally from an ipod (a person who has never had nice phones that is) if they upgrade from the usual whites to these. hope that the hiss level has gone down though it was never really that bad.

[HLdan]

Well considering that nintendo has sold almost 78M DSs to date they probably aren't thinking too much about the Touch. My guess it that they are looking at the touch and thinking they already did that a long time ago and are looking at the next revolutionary thing they can do.

Agreed, Nintendo has nothing to worry about. If anyone should worry it's Sony. The iPod Touch is a great competitor for the PSP.

[pkr]

Price are just "OK" considering the new features. But no GPS and no Bluetooth is a serious bummer. Having the Nike+ rcvr built-in sounds good but isn't the Touch just too bulky for running? When will they (Apple AND Nike) wake up and offer GPS for Nike+?!

[LukeHarrison]

Just watched the iPod touch guided tour.

Man, she's hot! :)

[shigzeo]

Just watched the iPod touch guided tour.

Man, she's hot! :)

linky?

[NT1440]

Price are just "OK" considering the new features. But no GPS and no Bluetooth is a serious bummer. Having the Nike+ rcvr built-in sounds good but isn't the Touch just too bulky for running? When will they (Apple AND Nike) wake up and offer GPS for Nike+?!

if people cant run with the touch, they have a serious problem.

its not that its too big, its that some people prefer having something nano sized, its a choice of if its too big for you, not it being too big

i run with mine all the time.

[trekkie604]

Just watched the iPod touch guided tour.

Man, she's hot! :)

Yikes, she so isn't.

[BettyBad]

I really miss the good old days of macrumors. When users posted helpful insights and knowledge.

[havand]

I don't get the nike thing. They went out of their way to not install something like bluetooth, but instead installed something they will make 100% of buyers spend money on, but maybe a few % will use? Doesn't make sense. I wonder if the nike thing IS bluetooth, but highly disabled? We will see. And the reason the older ipods can't work with the new mic headphones is because the plug is physically different. This isn't just some software update, but a physical change to the ipod that allows it to pick up the extra mic section on the headphone plug and hardware to allow it to record.

[LukeHarrison]

Yikes, she so isn't.

Each to their own, I suppose.

[Porco]

VAT. Deduct 17.5% from the UK price.

That still leaves a £20 disparity.

[Trajectory]

Interesting that they aren't using the same plastic backing as the iPhones. I wonder why???

[Pugpuppydude]

Question. What is the point for the microphone, can we use those mic headphones to record say, college lectures and save it to the device? :confused:

[skiesforme]

I was waiting with slim hopes that there might be a Aluminum Macbook announcement. I'm planning to buy a Macbook on Edu discount along with the new iPod Touch under "Back to School" promotion so that I can get the iPod Touch 8GB for free along with the Mac for about $999. Now it seems like the new Macbook might not be here until the holidays... Even if that's the case, perhaps the "Back to School" promotion won't be there...
Any suggestions?

[Digital Skunk]

That 32GB now seems feasible. I don't know about that shiny silver backing, but I guess it would be in a sick wicked silicone case either way.

May grab that 32 for traveling and as my Apple PDA since the iPhone is still too much of a rip off.

P.S. Get over that d@mn Macbook, get the current one which isn't bad (save for the price of old tech) or grab a refurbished one. Seriously, having an Aluminum one may be a lot worse since it dents easier from users who don't take care of their stuff.

[jamesnajera]

Something that Nike+ tells us:

Apple has push notifications working for third party applications (Nike+)

or

Apple had to release the Nike+ application as an Apple application because Nike+ needs to run in the background.

[FoxyKaye]

So who's waiting for 64GB?

I'm debating.
I am - they'll likely be here by February, so there's not long to wait. Pure speculation on my part, but it fits with the update cycle. That, and it will probably take me until February anyhow to set aside the $400 a 64GB iPod touch will cost.

Not sure I care about turn by turn GPS, I mean, when I'm out biking I carry a map - it's lighter and less prone to shatter into tiny bits if it gets dropped or I get nailed by an SUV. Plus, listening to music while you're biking is hella dangerous, especially in urban areas.

I'm pleased with the update, though. I'm sure the third generation ones released next year at this time will be even more unbelievably awesome somehow, but as an "everything but the cell phone" device, I'm impressed.

[twoodcc]

so the question is, can i use nike+ with the old ipod touch?

[chillywilly]

The new iPod touch looks nice. The speaker is cool and so is the $100 price drops on the 16gb and 32gb models.

My wife has a 16gb touch that I use a lot. I'd like my own and it looks like that may happen here before too long, but I want the 32gb.

Surprised they didn't come out with a 64gb model for $499.

[BillyBobBongo]

*watches video over 'New iPod Touch*

But the old iPod Touch did all of that....not quite sure what all the song and dance is about meself. *scratches head* :p

[Digital Skunk]

I am - they'll likely be here by February, so there's not long to wait. Pure speculation on my part, but it fits with the update cycle. That, and it will probably take me until February anyhow to set aside the $400 a 64GB iPod touch will cost.

Not sure I care about turn by turn GPS, I mean, when I'm out biking I carry a map - it's lighter and less prone to shatter into tiny bits if it gets dropped or I get nailed by an SUV. Plus, listening to music while you're biking is hella dangerous, especially in urban areas.

I'm pleased with the update, though. I'm sure the third generation ones released next year at this time will be even more unbelievably awesome somehow, but as an "everything but the cell phone" device, I'm impressed.

Smart Fox! Don't bike with audio in city streets please!

As for the 64GB, stop being surprised. It takes TWO chips to get 32GBs and Apple hasn't found a cost effective way, or enough supply to put two 32GB chips together to make 64.

And Foxy, I do agree about the Touch being an awesome iPhone, without the contract and anal raping part. I think this new one will feel better in the hands as well.

[queshy]

looks like the iPod touch leak from BB was kind of accurate.../

[resonator]

I want to replace my 60 GB iPod with the iPod touch but want the following:

- GPS (real GPS like in a Garmin)
- 64 GB (32 GB is not cutting it for large libraries)
- Bluetooth with file transfer ability (similar to the Razr phones that can easily transfer files with Mac).
- camera
- ability to view MS word documents.

Ok - come on Apple - listen to what your faithful customers want. I will be buying in January when you implement this. Thanks.

[VoR]

Was the one product I was looking forward to upgrades on.

I really wanted gps as an excuse to replace my pda. I've got a bluetooth receiver spare, but I can't see apple letting me use this with it for the foreseeable future.

[JGowan]

I am simply blown away by the negativity here for today's Music offerings by Apple. Why are you people not satisfied? They updated EVERY iPod. They cut prices. They updated iTunes with some great new features. You NEGATIVE NANCYS knew it was a music event! Those who expected other annoucements obviously haven't been paying attention.

Apple is #1 music seller. And their music player business is 75% in the world!! And yet they STILL are continuing to upgrade their wares on every level to keep us happy -- and yet here's all the b!tching, pissing and moaning. It boggles the mind. Half of you are babies living in dreamland and the other complainers are Windows Zune Trolls.

Those wanting a 64GB model seem to forget that up until recently, 64GB solid state upped your Mac Book Air price by $999. It went down not that long ago, but it's still pricey. Grow up and try to get your fantasies inline at least with reality.

What cares about nike+ in a iTouch? Strap that brick around your arm and run? Where is the GPS? Mic? Camera?

I am SO SO DISAPPOINTED! Sigh... Saving my money...Ridiculous! The iPod Touch is a mere 4 oz. and being solid state memory, it's quite Exercise-friendly. HARDLY a "BRICK'! It's almost half the weight of the original 5GB iPod. Battery life is unreal at up to 36 audio hours (up from around 8 hours from 2001's 1G 'pod. Just because Apple didn't give you GPS, Mic and Camera doesn't mean that they did something wrong. Those were YOUR fantasies. Sounds like you really want an iPhone. AT&T subsidizes the iPhone.... THAT'S why they're able to offer the iPhone for $199. You're really wanting Apple to simply give away the farm, eh? You're living in dreamland.

Lastly, XIAOBAO68 -- As this is your FIRST POST EVER on Macrumors, I'm not sure if you're trolling or what. Considering your only other post was today and negative in another thread, I'm inclined to think so. If not, then try and be a little more constructive with your posts and reasonings.

[queshy]

is the back black? ENgadget pics make the back of the iPt look black...

[queshy]

- ability to view MS word documents.

Ok - come on Apple - listen to what your faithful customers want. I will be buying in January when you implement this. Thanks.

Download filemagnet?

[laprej]

...
Not sure I care about turn by turn GPS, I mean, when I'm out biking I carry a map - it's lighter and less prone to shatter into tiny bits if it gets dropped or I get nailed by an SUV. Plus, listening to music while you're biking is hella dangerous, especially in urban areas.
...


So, you're concerned about the damage your iPod may sustain after being struck by an SUV? Yeah, I'd have to say that's a good call! :rolleyes:

[NC MacGuy]

The 32GB likes like the best buy of todays updates. $100 price drop, speaker, 2.1 software, thinner, external volume controls. I prefer my last gen. chubby nano so I may be in for the 32 touch. Don't have an iPhone and don't want one unless they change carriers. Now, when will the touches hit stores....

[Digital Skunk]

I want to replace my 60 GB iPod with the iPod touch but want the following:

- GPS (real GPS like in a Garmin)
- 64 GB (32 GB is not cutting it for large libraries)
- Bluetooth with file transfer ability (similar to the Razr phones that can easily transfer files with Mac).
- camera
- ability to view MS word documents.

Ok - come on Apple - listen to what your faithful customers want. I will be buying in January when you implement this. Thanks.

The problem is that you aren't more faithful than the customers that DON'T want these.

And there is NO technical way Apple could get a 64GB iPod Touch just yet. No 32GB chips that small, that cheap yet. GPS can take a hike for the Touch.

[monke]

I'm not so stoked about getting one now.

The main thing I wanted was GPS, it wouldn't have been that hard to add it in, I have to be honest.

Right now I kind of have this empty feeling. Not to be negative, but nothing really blew me away. The most exciting thing was the Nano, but after that not much. :(

[resonator]

Yes the iPod Touch is great but have you ever been traveling and need to listen to the news? Throw in a f***n AM/FM radio - how hard is that to do?!! Ever other media player has one built in. Yes I already own the radio remote but I don't want to carry it and it doesn't work with the iPod touch. Come on Apple - people sometimes need to be connected to the outside world when they are traveling - add the radio !!!

[FoxyKaye]

So, you're concerned about the damage your iPod may sustain after being struck by an SUV? Yeah, I'd have to say that's a good call! :rolleyes:
Hey now, no reason to get snarky. A friend of mine was tossed over her handlebars last week: her $40 helmet was shattered, she cracked her collerbone, had some cuts and scrapes, but was otherwise OK (bike is still pending a check out by the shop before she takes it on the road again). She did lose a $300 digital camera, however, and unlike her medical expenses, it wasn't covered by insurance.

All I'm saying is that expensive toys and street biking don't generally mix. Getting hit by a vehicle is almost an inevitability if you've been biking long enough, and I'd rather not add insult to injury by losing even more money in the process.

[Amerikhastan]

Do the new in ear headphones come with the touch?

[Digital Skunk]

Yes the iPod Touch is great but have you ever been traveling and need to listen to the news? Throw in a f***n AM/FM radio - how hard is that to do?!! Ever other media player has one built in. Yes I already own the radio remote but I don't want to carry it and it doesn't work with the iPod touch. Come on Apple - people sometimes need to be connected to the outside world when they are traveling - add the radio !!!

Might as well through in a floppy drive too.

I get your point, but tech has to keep moving forward. At least give us satellite radio or any other kind of HD radio receiver, leave the archaic $h!t out for good, or put it in an add on like the old @$$ modems that got taken out of laptops.

[Bubba Satori]

Yes the iPod Touch is great but have you ever been traveling and need to listen to the news? Throw in a f***n AM/FM radio - how hard is that to do?!! Ever other media player has one built in. Yes I already own the radio remote but I don't want to carry it and it doesn't work with the iPod touch. Come on Apple - people sometimes need to be connected to the outside world when they are traveling - add the radio !!!

" How hard is that to do?"

Not at all. Apple simply doesn't want you to have it. News, sports, weather, talk radio. Forget it. Every other MP3 maker on the planet offers it on a model except the snobs at Cupertino. When my customers ask me why, I tell them to email steve and ask him. :rolleyes:

[inkswamp]

I am simply blown away by the negativity here for today's Music offerings by Apple. Why are you people not satisfied?

Those of us who are being negative are simply getting a little fed up with the Mac getting second billing on everything.

* Apple hasn't held a special event for Macs in god-knows-how-long.

* The iMac updates in the last year have left many customers disappointed and many customers unhappy with their lack of display options.

* Updates and spec bumps across the line have slowed considerably from the old days. Apple used to do spec bumps and/or price drops every 4-6 months. It's like they don't really care enough to bother now.

* Displays haven't seen a significant update in ages.

* Mac Mini is long past being a joke. It should have been updated months ago.

* Recent Mac-related events have seen the Mac marginalized in the keynotes. I can handle that from time-to-time, but at WWDC? That's ridiculous.

* And as for the comment that "It was a music event, what did you expect"... you'll need to explain why the iPhone made the billing, but the Mac didn't. They both interact with iTunes and both play music. And how about explaining why the iPhone and iPod/iTunes merit special events, but the Mac never does anymore.

* Significant updates to the Mac line-up, software and OS have been delayed due reportedly to Apple focusing its time and energies on iPhone and iPod.

It's not that some of us are being overly negative. We're just getting a little sick of Apple treating their computer customers like second class citizens. Bravo, we all love the iPhone and the iPod. How about putting the spotlight on the Mac from time-to-time? And no, showing off the expensive, high-end Macbook Air that appeals to a very small segment of Mac users doesn't cut it.

[FoxyKaye]

And Foxy, I do agree about the Touch being an awesome iPhone, without the contract and anal raping part.

...

And there is NO technical way Apple could get a 64GB iPod Touch just yet. No 32GB chips that small, that cheap yet. GPS can take a hike for the Touch.
True on all that. Time heals everything, though, so I'm starting my savings now :D

Yes the iPod Touch is great but have you ever been traveling and need to listen to the news? Throw in a f***n AM/FM radio - how hard is that to do?!! Ever other media player has one built in. Yes I already own the radio remote but I don't want to carry it and it doesn't work with the iPod touch. Come on Apple - people sometimes need to be connected to the outside world when they are traveling - add the radio !!!
I guess I'm old - today's radio has completely lost meaning to me. Can't miss what I don't want. But on the up-side, a lot of cell phones are building in FM tuners these days.

[VoR]

" How hard is that to do?"

Not at all. Apple simply doesn't want you to have it. News, sports, weather, talk radio. Forget it. Every other MP3 maker on the planet offers it on a model except the snobs at Cupertino. When my customers ask me why, I tell them to email steve and ask him. :rolleyes:

Or buy a product that has the features you want and need.
I wouldn't call bluetooth/gps etc 'archaic $h!t' - I can see loads of instant and potential uses for these.

[Clayne]

And there is NO technical way Apple could get a 64GB iPod Touch just yet. No 32GB chips that small, that cheap yet.

Feasible for Macworld?

[FoxyKaye]

Those of us who are being negative are simply getting a little fed up with the Mac getting second billing on everything.

* Apple hasn't held a special event for Macs in god-knows-how-long.

* The iMac updates in the last year have left many customers disappointed and many customers unhappy with their lack of display options.

* Updates and spec bumps across the line have slowed considerably from the old days. Apple used to do spec bumps and/or price drops every 4-6 months. It's like they don't really care enough to bother now.

* Displays haven't seen a significant update in ages.

* Mac Mini is long past being a joke. It should have been updated months ago.

* Recent Mac-related events have seen the Mac marginalized in the keynotes. I can handle that from time-to-time, but at WWDC? That's ridiculous.

* And as for the comment that "It was a music event, what did you expect"... you'll need to explain why the iPhone made the billing, but the Mac didn't. They both interact with iTunes and both play music. And how about explaining why the iPhone and iPod/iTunes merit special events, but the Mac never does anymore.

* Significant updates to the Mac line-up, software and OS have been delayed due reportedly to Apple focusing its time and energies on iPhone and iPod.

It's not that some of us are being overly negative. We're just getting a little sick of Apple treating their computer customers like second class citizens. Bravo, we all love the iPhone and the iPod. How about putting the spotlight on the Mac from time-to-time? And no, showing off the expensive, high-end Macbook Air that appeals to a very small segment of Mac users doesn't cut it.
Yeah - but the iPods have new colors!

Your point taken, but it's kinda like this, though: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lisa_vs._Malibu_Stacy

[Digital Skunk]

...

Mac Mini should have been updated about a year ago.

We get yah though, and I am waiting for those displays myself. I'd buy the currents ones if I had the cash though, they are still second to top notch.

Feasible for Macworld?

Maybe, it all depends on the 32GB flash chips being available. Touch uses TWO 16GB chips to get to 32GBs placed where the phone parts would go in the iPhone. So no 32GB iPhone or 64GB touch until those chips become available, and cheap.

[chillywilly]

- ability to view MS word documents.

Ok - come on Apple - listen to what your faithful customers want. I will be buying in January when you implement this. Thanks.

I'd like to see this. Maybe Dataviz can make a version of Documents To Go for the iPod touch/iPhone.

[jnc]

That still leaves a £20 disparity.

Maybe that's just down to delivery and other levied taxes for foreign products.

Until today 16GB iPod touches were £269 so Nike+, 2.x as standard and a redesign @ £219 isn't really bothering me one bit...

[brsboarder]

How long will it take until they make cases, the skin's and stuff for the new ipod touches? I'm afraid to get one before then

[steephill]

I would think that with the new earbuds w/mic now available for the new Touch, that :apple: could release a Touch version of iChat for texting and AUDIO via wifi. I don't think it would really be a competitive issue with the iPhone, since the audio communications would be limited to having a wifi signal, and audio chatting through the iChat client. I for one would love it. Especially when traveling overseas and wanting to talk to friends/family back in the States.

What do you think?

[jgbr]

has anyone noticed that neat little app on the new iPod nano which allows you to record from the new headphones? - where is this in the touch: dictaphone type of stuff is big buisness.

Has anyone seen this?

Also i got to say I think its abit of gimmick, its not really any different then the old touch. button on the side for volume; how difficult is it guys to double hit the main button and slide your vol quickly? Maybe im not a guy who walks along with it my pocket so dont see this major advantage.

But my final point being: is the touch about moving away from buttons?

[angusshangus]

What's up with all these no GPS on iPod touch complaints??? People with an iPhone know that u need an internet connection to get the maps. Without a wifi connection GPS on the touch is useless! You'd just have a blue dot on a blank page! Maps aren't stored on the device dudes!

[VoR]

What's up with all these no GPS on iPod touch complaints??? People with an iPhone know that u need an internet connection to get the maps. Without a wifi connection GPS on the touch is useless! You'd just have a blue dot on a blank page! Maps aren't stored on the device dudes!

How many times is this explained in these forums?
Some of you with iphones don't know any better.

[laprej]

Hey now, no reason to get snarky. A friend of mine was tossed over her handlebars last week: her $40 helmet was shattered, she cracked her collerbone, had some cuts and scrapes, but was otherwise OK (bike is still pending a check out by the shop before she takes it on the road again). She did lose a $300 digital camera, however, and unlike her medical expenses, it wasn't covered by insurance.

All I'm saying is that expensive toys and street biking don't generally mix. Getting hit by a vehicle is almost an inevitability if you've been biking long enough, and I'd rather not add insult to injury by losing even more money in the process.

I didn't mean to poke fun - I was just saying that after being hit by a car while you're riding your bike, well, you're lucky to be alive. iPods and cameras are valuable though replaceable; people are not replaceable.

[Eric S.]

button on the side for volume; how difficult is it guys to double hit the main button and slide your vol quickly?

It's a major pain when your boss walks into your office and you miss his first two sentences. :cool:

Which is also why a pause button would be more useful than volume controls.

[jbernie]

Well to begin with, I think a lot of people rightly didn't expect much from the update. The Nano update was definitely more interesting.

What we got was a small incremental update which they have to do to keep the line fresh. Maybe they just weren't ready with the bigger updates. Who knows. All it means is that some people will sit on their money for a bit longer if this doesn't fit their needs.

I will go this way... the update is tempting, at some point I expect to update my 4th Gen U2 ipod, but given how Apple likes to charge for many of the Touch updates, I can easily hold out a while and see what comes along by way of extra features added through software updates.

[ageha]

I have already a 1st gen 16GB so I will wait for the 64GB update after Christmas. :) It bugs me the 2nd generation Touch doesn't come with the cable remote. :(

[aaronh3]

Lame, who cares about thinner for %$% sake give us more storage space!

[Kilburn22]

How many times is this explained in these forums?
Some of you with iphones don't know any better.

Yeah, honestly. The Maps are stored in practically every OTHER dedicated GPS device. It would take about 1 to 2 Gb of space tho, assuming like Garmin quality maps, so it might not be entirely plausible.

It's a major pain when your boss walks into your office and you miss his first two sentences. :cool:

Which is also why a pause button would be more useful than volume controls.

Definitely. I've always thought the touch should have the option of setting the home button as a "quick pause" kinda thing if you double tap it or hold it down for a second.

I'm actually satisfied with the updates given today. Essentially, we're getting a better product for $100 less. I fail to see how the price cut alone isn't worth the enthusiasm, but extended battery life, even sexier form factor, and the new minor, but welcome additions all make this a considerable better product.

Maybe it's because I didn't expect an iPod sized MacBook/GPS/microwave that I'm not disappointed by what really is a decent upgrade. Sure the lack of increased capacity and camera and GPS is disappointing, but that's only Apple not living up to almost divine-like expectations we have of it. They did a bang up job, and it's kinda sad to see how many of us fail to appreciate that they could have released the same product with like 1 new feature, and still sold probably just as well.

[Naro]

Does anybody know how long it generally takes for the new iPods to be available in non-Apple stores?

[.:R2theT]

I don't know if anyone has looked but there are some good deals on iPods on the refurb. page. (http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APPLE/WebObjects/AppleStore.woa/wa/RSLID?sf=wHF2F2PHCCCX72KDY&nclm=Certified) $319 for a 32GB iPod Touch(1st generation)! Old nanos for $99!:eek:

[Roessnakhan]

Lame, who cares about thinner for %$% sake give us more storage space!

If Apple thought it feasible to create 64GB iPod touches, I'm sure they'd do it - but no one would buy a device THAT expensive. If you want an HD-based iPod touch, then you'll just complain about the sluggish UI and terrible battery life.

[Wondercow]

Yes the iPod Touch is great but have you ever been traveling and need to listen to the news? Throw in a f***n AM/FM radio - how hard is that to do?!! Ever other media player has one built in. Yes I already own the radio remote but I don't want to carry it and it doesn't work with the iPod touch. Come on Apple - people sometimes need to be connected to the outside world when they are traveling - add the radio !!!

Why are the twelve people who want this so vocal about it :p

[Wondercow]

What's up with all these no GPS on iPod touch complaints??? People with an iPhone know that u need an internet connection to get the maps. Without a wifi connection GPS on the touch is useless! You'd just have a blue dot on a blank page! Maps aren't stored on the device dudes!

So Apple could sell maps on the App store that the user would transfer to the 'Pod. DUH! Why are so many people so clueless?

[Eric S.]

If Apple thought it feasible to create 64GB iPod touches, I'm sure they'd do it - but no one would buy a device THAT expensive.

Agreed.

If you want an HD-based iPod touch, then you'll just complain about the sluggish UI and terrible battery life.

I already complain about the terrible battery life, when the wifi is left on all the time.

[alhasa]

withing a couple of hours, the uk model of the 2nd gen 32gb ipod touch has increased from £279 to £289 !:mad:!:mad:! like we weren't getting ripped off enough already! (and dont give me the VAT crap - its still more).

if you dont believe me, check the cnet uk website... even they have the price listed as £279 because thats what it was a few hours ago at launch!!! link:
http://crave.cnet.co.uk/digitalmusic/0,39029432,49298834,00.htm

i was actually thinking of getting the the 32gb model... now i think i'll get the 16gb in protest :mad:.

:apple: adding insult to injury :mad:

[.:R2theT]

i was actually thinking of getting the the 32gb model... now i think i'll get the 16gb in protest :mad:.

That'll show 'em!

[ezekielrage_99]

The Nano was just as promised beforehand and the Touch is sexy but no GPS. I'm drooling over the built-in speaker though. Not to mention the Touch's insane battery life...

Well I know what I am buying myself for Xmas :cool:

[La Porta]

Only bothered about one thing, really....and that is that AIM STILL FRICKING CRASHES!

[iReality85]

So...how did that qualify as a "big deal" in any way? I love :apple: and what they do for the technology industry but how can they possibly afford to lead the media on like this? This was not only not revolutionary it barely warranted an under the radar release let alone a big scale event. Computer technology is drastically lagging!!


edit: Not to mention no copy/paste, no facebook 2.0, no turn by turn gps, no picture messaging.... this is ridiculous.

The "Big Deal" was that Jobs was still alive. Obviously.:rolleyes:

[baslotto]

Question. What is the point for the microphone, can we use those mic headphones to record say, college lectures and save it to the device? :confused:

Skype for example. Free calls from a hotspot over the internet.

[funnyfish7]

What cares about nike+ in a iTouch? Strap that brick around your arm and run? Where is the GPS? Mic? Camera?

I am SO SO DISAPPOINTED!

Sigh...


I would much rather have GPS then some dumb nike thing no one is going to use. At least they have an adapter for it! There is no GPS ADAPTER :mad:!!!!

URG! I would much rather pay $299 for the same iPod touch if they just put GPS in it! WTF WTF WTF WTF WTF

when i do that dum where am i thing it says im somewere in southern carolina. I LIVE IN COLORADO ARTARD! Come on jobbs u know wut we want. give us GPS! in everything! i want gps in my gawd dam shuffle :eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:

[SiliconAddict]

32GB only FTL. Seriously. Nothing fanboi about this. I want a touch. I really do. However I treat my iPod as a jukebox for my music. And when I have friends in the car with varying tastes having my entire collection with me comes in handy. Then there is cross country trips...if I decide I want to listen to a specific artists along the way no need to break out my laptop to get to it. Its all on one device. this was the original intention of the iPod and the literal reason why Jobs didn't want to go into the 512MB PMP area. And yet now we have the touch that is sacrificing this ability for having it a bit thinner. Screw battery life. Add 1Gb of cache (Doesn't even need to be high speed either.) on that thing and you will almost never spin up a drive and only spin it up when loading movies. Then when the system goes to sleep for say more then an hour flush half the cache and shut 512MB down to conserve power.
but nooooo. we have Mr Jobs who seems to have a thin fetish. gah! :(

[Quillz]

So, outside of physical volume buttons and a more tapered design, it seems that the touch is largely the same as before. I have a 32 GB first gen and I'm in no hurry to upgrade.

[Digital Skunk]

So, outside of physical volume buttons and a more tapered design, it seems that the touch is largely the same as before. I have a 32 GB first gen and I'm in no hurry to upgrade.

As it always is. Those with the 80GB classic aren't missing much, maybe the Nano buyers are since they got a pretty big up update, but nothing to really run to the stores for.

Same thing with the iPhone 3G and anytime there's a new Mac laptop or desktop.

[limonade]

So disappointed the iPods Touch 1st gen can't have Nike+ :( that was one of the major app i was waiting for.. :(

edit i would also have preferred more battery life for something less thiner. anyways.

[ryanwarsaw]

Those of us who are being negative are simply getting a little fed up with the Mac getting second billing on everything.

* Apple hasn't held a special event for Macs in god-knows-how-long.

* The iMac updates in the last year have left many customers disappointed and many customers unhappy with their lack of display options.

* Updates and spec bumps across the line have slowed considerably from the old days. Apple used to do spec bumps and/or price drops every 4-6 months. It's like they don't really care enough to bother now.

* Displays haven't seen a significant update in ages.

* Mac Mini is long past being a joke. It should have been updated months ago.

* Recent Mac-related events have seen the Mac marginalized in the keynotes. I can handle that from time-to-time, but at WWDC? That's ridiculous.

* And as for the comment that "It was a music event, what did you expect"... you'll need to explain why the iPhone made the billing, but the Mac didn't. They both interact with iTunes and both play music. And how about explaining why the iPhone and iPod/iTunes merit special events, but the Mac never does anymore.

* Significant updates to the Mac line-up, software and OS have been delayed due reportedly to Apple focusing its time and energies on iPhone and iPod.

It's not that some of us are being overly negative. We're just getting a little sick of Apple treating their computer customers like second class citizens. Bravo, we all love the iPhone and the iPod. How about putting the spotlight on the Mac from time-to-time? And no, showing off the expensive, high-end Macbook Air that appeals to a very small segment of Mac users doesn't cut it.

The iPhone made an appearance because it one point Steve himself said it was the best iPod ever. Why don't people seem to grasp the phone is an Ipod?

[NC MacGuy]

The new touch is actually thicker than previous model. Look it up. The battery in new model is rated at 36hr music and 6hr video. Previous version was 22hr music and 5hr video.

The battery life is substantially better.

[Wondercow]

i would also have preferred more battery life for something less thiner

They bumped the battery >60% for music (from 22h to 36h) :eek:. (And it's not really thinner, so I don't know if it could be a longer-life battery.)

[upsguy27]

Why is everyone complaining that there's no camera, or no GPS, or no whatever? Apple will not add a camera or GPS to the iPod Touch; they don't want it to get too close to the iPhone in features. The iPod Touch isn't meant to do all the things the iPhone does like camera and GPS, it's supposed to be an iPod and a apps and games device. Why would you need GPS anyway? You would have to be connected to WiFi to get directions, and if you're using GPS to go somewhere, you aren't likely to find WiFi hotspots everywhere.

[NC MacGuy]

Why is everyone complaining that there's no camera, or no GPS, or no whatever? Apple will not add a camera or GPS to the iPod Touch; they don't want it to get too close to the iPhone in features. The iPod Touch isn't meant to do all the things the iPhone does like camera and GPS, it's supposed to be an iPod and a apps and games device. Why would you need GPS anyway? You would have to be connected to WiFi to get directions, and if you're using GPS to go somewhere, you aren't likely to find WiFi hotspots everywhere.

and let's not forget that awesome feature that no touch should be plagued with - ATT!!:p

[Vidd]

£169 for the 8GB sounds pretty decent...
Or maybe that's when I compare it to the 32GB at £279. Over £50 more than America is paying, unless I am mistaken.

[Wondercow]

Why is everyone complaining that there's no camera, or no GPS, or no whatever? Apple will not add a camera or GPS to the iPod Touch; they don't want it to get too close to the iPhone in features. The iPod Touch isn't meant to do all the things the iPhone does like camera and GPS, it's supposed to be an iPod and a apps and games device. Why would you need GPS anyway? You would have to be connected to WiFi to get directions, and if you're using GPS to go somewhere, you aren't likely to find WiFi hotspots everywhere.

ARRRRRRRRGGGHHHH!! One does not need to be connected to anything for GPS (other than the satellite signal). How the Hell do you people think stand-alone GPS units (like the after-market Tomtom and Garmin) work :confused:

OK, feelin' better now.

[Vidd]

ARRRRRRRRGGGHHHH!! One does not need to be connected to anything for GPS (other than the satellite signal). How the Hell do you people think stand-alone GPS units (like the after-market Tomtom and Garmin) work :confused:

OK, feelin' better now.
He's talking about GPS software that works over Wifi, not hardware.

Also, I can't understand some of the expectations people had.

[iTeen]

I sure like it.

The only thing that I would change is the ****ing scratchy back. Damn them.

Just ordered a 32gb. :D

[bumfilter]

ARRRRRRRRGGGHHHH!! One does not need to be connected to anything for GPS (other than the satellite signal). How the Hell do you people think stand-alone GPS units (like the after-market Tomtom and Garmin) work :confused:

OK, feelin' better now.

There is no way to store maps on any of these devices yet, so what are you going to do with a set of GPS co-ords?

The only thing I'm pissed about is the built-in speaker, yet another device that kids/teens can use to annoy me when they think everyone around them wants to hear their poor taste in music.

[compuguy1088]

well that's what the iphone deserves for :apple: not giving the touch camera or gps :D

It still makes no sense of why they did that. It is the same headphone jack with 3 channels: two for audio and one for mic/control (as seen in the apple store).

[Wondercow]

He's talking about GPS software that works over Wifi, not hardware.

That he may be, but it's not mentioned anywhere in his post. It seems to me that he's assuming (as many people here do) that GPS requires a cell signal.

Also, I can't understand some of the expectations people had.

Amen to that! I was hoping for GPS, but not expecting it. I *really* wanted a speaker so I could share videos without people with playing "pass the 'phones". Add the upgraded battery and I'm ready to buy as soon as stock hits the store :D

[Wondercow]

There is no way to store maps on any of these devices yet, so what are you going to do with a set of GPS co-ords?

Why not? I can currently store anything on my iPod Touch (which I'm returning to the store now that the new ones are out). Of course, it's jailbroken--but it makes the point that not being able to store maps is simply an Apple-induced limitation which is easily remedied with a firmware update. All Apple would have to do is:

1) put the GPS receiver in the iPod Touch
2) add a "Maps" directory to the "Media" directory (just like I added a "ROMs" directory to make my NES emulator work)
3) sell maps on iTS
4) write the code--a simple modification--to take advantage of it all

[VoR]

Why is everyone complaining that there's no camera, or no GPS, or no whatever? Apple will not add a camera or GPS to the iPod Touch; they don't want it to get too close to the iPhone in features. The iPod Touch isn't meant to do all the things the iPhone does like camera and GPS, it's supposed to be an iPod and a apps and games device. Why would you need GPS anyway? You would have to be connected to WiFi to get directions, and if you're using GPS to go somewhere, you aren't likely to find WiFi hotspots everywhere.

It's supposed to be an ipod (?), apps (mostly gimmicks, mostly 3rd party, mostly costly) and a games device (whatever the keynote said, urrrrr)?
It's a good thing for us that it's purposely limited so it doesn't effect the sales of their other products?

It's a shame most people don't know that there's 4 year old pdas, wrapped in nice black magnesium cases with discrete graphics that can do play mp3s with artwork, run all sorts of 3rd party apps and 3d games and also do divx/xvid/dvds/h264, 'full' web browsing, gps, voip, bluetooth, ad2p, sd/cf expansion, removable batteries, office apps, 4.7" sony(eww) screens with twice the res of the itouch etcetcetcetc. Maybe they'd question the prices/features/limitations of some of these 'revolutionary' products a little more and we'd all end up happier. There is competition, even if it's a relatively(massively) small, dying and unadvertised market.

It's a shame there isn't even more complaining and whining about countless issues, much more fun and more productive(?!) than blindly assuming everything they're doing with this line is good. The responses can be a great giggle too.

It's a shame there's no potential in the current touch for apples take on road navigation software. With all the storage and their distribution, it would be pretty easy for them to add all sorts of road maps, air/sea charts, OS(uk), compasses, speedo/g/velocity meters etcetc - I'd love to see what they could do, apps like tomtom/igo etc are brilliant and shoddy at the same time.

It's a shame that half the itouch posts seem to be crying out for a gps receiver (I'd even buy into it, trusting the software would come later) while the other half can't tell the difference between gps and a dot on google maps (a mobile app that was about way before the iphone existed). Funnily enough I know that wifi doesn't work in the middle of nowhere - the only interest I have in random hotspots while driving is the potential for 100000s of itouch/phone/whatever users to be telling the internet average speeds/traffic jams etc.

It's a shame the one feature I wanted for an excuse to buy an ipod wasn't included. I didn't get what I wanted, which means that the product (line) sucks, obviously.

enough random offtopicish babble from me

[upsguy27]

ARRRRRRRRGGGHHHH!! One does not need to be connected to anything for GPS (other than the satellite signal). How the Hell do you people think stand-alone GPS units (like the after-market Tomtom and Garmin) work :confused:

OK, feelin' better now.

Huh. Didn't know that. I thought that the standalone GPS devices used cell signals. No need to get all angry.

[stubeeef]

I am kinda dissapointed. I had hoped for more in terms of memory at least. iPod touch with 64g for $399 would have gotten me of the bench.
I am going to save my $400 and see what happens with an ultra portable this fall.

[Wondercow]

Huh. Didn't know that. I thought that the standalone GPS devices used cell signals. No need to get all angry.

The need is in the, uh, mind of the, uh, angered party ;)

For the past many weeks we ("we" being people who either want GPS in the iPod Touch and/or who understand how it works) have been seeing this exact same comment every other post. I understand that people don't always read an entire thread, but the repetition is monotonous :mad:

[Wondercow]

iPod touch with 64g for $399 would have gotten me of the bench.

And would have been a huge loss for Apple.