Is anybody beginning to personally dislike Jobs?

[ryanwarsaw]

I answered #3 that he is beginning to lose credibility. When I first saw him I really thought he was great. These days I think he says more and more things he knows are dishonest. Please submit your opinion. Maybe there should be more poll options as well.

[BoyBach]

I wouldn't be able to answer, what with me not having personally met the fellow an' all.

[CWallace]

I answered that I don't believe he is and therefore I still respect him.

[skunk]

Why would I personally dislike a person without having met him or her? :confused:

[ryanwarsaw]

Perhaps anybody of celebrity status can be disliked by people they have never met.

[iToaster]

I'm not quite sure what you're referring to here about him losing his credibility... I mean heck, did he lie about new iPods or something ("And now I as Steve Jobs would like to introduce the new iPod Nano... JK, we didn't actually do anything")? I don't think so.

[skunk]

Hating what someone represents is different from "personally disliking" someone.

[Trip.Tucker]

I answered #3 that he is beginning to lose credibility. When I first saw him I really thought he was great. These days I think he says more and more things he knows are dishonest. Please submit your opinion. Maybe there should be more poll options as well.

Huh? How would you possibly know? You don't know him personally. This is a stupid poll.

[ryanwarsaw]

Anyway semantics (I shouldn't have said personally) aside I think it is obvious that I am asking if people are beginning to dislike or distrust him. the title of the thread is off but the actual question of the poll is only stated as dislike.

People seem to be ignoring the fact that personally has several nuances.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/personally

[ryanwarsaw]

Isn't that my right if I personally feel that way?

This is turning into a thread that is about like arguing over the name Itouch or Ipod touch or iPod touch.

According to prior logic it can't be personal because nobody here has met me.

[Trip.Tucker]

Isn't that my right if I personally feel that way?

This is turning into a thread that is about like arguing over the name Itouch or Ipod touch or iPod touch.

I

You know, you don't have to have support to rage quit. Just do it.

I'm not going to play your silly "I didn't get what I wanted Apple to make for me, so I'm going to start a flame-fest" game. It's pointless.

[ryanwarsaw]

I haven't said anything that is even remotely rageful. I asserted earlier that I am merely beginning to put less belief into what the man says. I should have worded the poll more appropriately but I am hardly in some fit of rage.

[TheBonk]

I still respect him because he did alot of great stuff in his day. I just think that he's losing his charm. The reality distortion field didn't seem to be there on Tuesday. Maybe he's been doing this too long. After all, the man has been in business for 32 years.

[ryanwarsaw]

Thank you for a sincere and well thought post. I agree with you on that. Maybe we have just seen the same show too many times.

[wako]

can you share with us what he said that was dishonest? :confused:



and why the hell would you have EVER trusted any businessmen to begin with? Even if he was my father I still wouldnt trust him simply because hes a businessmen.

[CristobalHuet]

No, and I never met him.

[clevin]

never liked him from the start.

[chedda]

never liked him from the start.

I don't dislike him but i believe he has changed a little possibly with success, revenue and becoming more mainstream. However this could all be from the amount of media attention he and apple get nowadays. Somehow the itunes store doesn't hold the same ethos has creating the power mac . I liked it more as a niche market with him as an underdog, we all wished him success he got it .........

[Cheffy Dave]

Anyway semantics (I shouldn't have said personally) aside I think it is obvious that I am asking if people are beginning to dislike or distrust him. the title of the thread is off but the actual question of the poll is only stated as dislike.

People seem to be ignoring the fact that personally has several nuances.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/personally

aw gee, that must make him human:rolleyes:

[Abstract]

Regardless of the fact that I don't know him, it's a well-known fact amongst old Mac users that he isn't exactly a nice guy. Never was, and never will be. The company which he's CEO of can make some great products, but that should be detached from Steve Jobs, the human being. The man does park in handicap parking spots and isn't handicap. :rolleyes:

He's an absolute tosser, but CEO of a great company. And he make Jon Ive head of design. ;)

[nick9191]

I hate the way he puts down Microsoft when he can't even create a phone that doesn't crash 3 times a day, or a web service that works.

He's a good CEO, but a person, he is a real douchebag.

[PowerFullMac]

I chose three, I find no reason to personally hate him, but I do think him saying to the media the "Let's Rock" event was a huge thing was the overstatement of the century.

[JNB]

Considering three of four of the available poll responses are reinforcing your (negative) query, it's pretty evident what you are aiming at, even if you don't think you are. It's called a loaded poll.

You don't work for the New York Times/Fox News, do ya'? :p

As far as "personally" disliking anything or anyone, doesn't it stand to reason that all dislikes are by their very nature personal?

[davidjearly]

never liked him from the start.

Now, there's a surprise. :rolleyes:

I like him from what I have seen, for his role in creating the modern technological world and for the job he has done at Apple. I voted as such.

[clevin]

Now, there's a surprise. :rolleyes:

I like him from what I have seen, for his role in creating the modern technological world and for the job he has done at Apple. I voted as such.

lol. you genuinely surprised with me not liking SJ?

Here is one of the problems with SJ that I dislike:

He is dishonest.

[powderblue17]

lol. you genuinely surprised with me not liking SJ?

Here is one of the problems with SJ that I dislike:

He is dishonest.

He's no angel but I don't know how you can dislike him because all he does is defend and pump up his products which isn't much different then what you always do on here with Firefox. Personally I think Chrome blows Firefox out of the water with it's smoothness and speed so whatever.

As far as someone saying that he lied about Tuesday being a big deal can you show me where he ever said it was a big deal besides pointing to some rumor posted on MacRumors.

[clevin]

He's no angel but I don't know how you can dislike him because all he does is defend and pump up his products which isn't much different then what you always do on here with Firefox. Personally I think Chrome blows Firefox out of the water with it's smoothness and speed so whatever.

As far as someone saying that he lied about Tuesday being a big deal can you show me where he ever said it was a big deal besides pointing to some rumor posted on MacRumors.

you can dig up my 7000+ post and see where did I lie about firefox.

there is a different between making strong case for your own products, and lying about both your products and your opponents'.

Which post did I make case for firefox that was dishonest? Where did I make lie against opera, safari, ie, or chrome?

You like Chrome? go ahead use it. Thats not my issue, and I don't know you want to turn this topic into a personal discovery of me, do you?:p

If you want to discuss about me, open a new thread in community board, here we should stick to the topic. I dislike SJ, and dishonest is one of the issues. Thats it.

If you want to discuss chrome vs. firefox, you can open a new thread somewhere as well (I haven't see one dedicated thread for this topic yet). I would love to discuss that with you too.

of course, you still like him (SJ), thats why this is a poll, and seems you are in majority here. Thats fine with me too. I don't try to discover your personality through your opinion, i.e. i don't call you fanboy here.:)

[eRondeau]

Success changes everyone.

Eight years ago, when Apple was an "also-ran", Steve could do pretty much whatever he wanted with the company and nobody cared. Everybody expected Apple to fail anyway, so why not invest in this crazy .mp3 player that was too big, too heavy, and too white -- and only worked with Mac's? Today, Apple is one of the most successful companies in history and now (just like Exxon and General Electric) it's got millions of shareholders that Steve has to constantly please. So Steve is very much a victim of his own success -- he literally can't afford to take the same chances today that he so willingly took with the original iMac & iPod. In 1980 Microsoft was the lean, mean, hungry upstart that turned technology on its ear, before becoming corporate and bloated. In 2000/2001 Apple did it with the iMac & iPod, and all things spawned by them. And in the near future, some other hungry company will come along with a better way of doing things and change everything we know once again. It is as natural as it is inevitable. So cut poor Steve some slack, he's doing the best he can. He's balancing explosive growth vs. a culture of innovation; short-term shareholder returns vs. long-term R&D investment; responsibility vs. creativity. All the while turning-out new and innovative technology products at an unprecedented pace. I just wish he'd stop parking in handicapped spots. :apple:

[PowerFullMac]

SJ was nice when he was working with The Woz back when Apple was new, but when it started to get big SJ got nasty :(

I watched the documentary on it, Pirates Of Silicon Valley.

Also, when SJ and The Woz were working on something for Atari didnt SJ lie so he could get more money than The Woz? I remember that from iWoz.

So I suppose he has always been horrible, really, but it only came out later.

[northy124]

I answered #3 that he is beginning to lose credibility. When I first saw him I really thought he was great. These days I think he says more and more things he knows are dishonest. Please submit your opinion. Maybe there should be more poll options as well.

I'm beginning to dislike you Steve is my hero:D, I'd follow him blindly! (I voted No. 1 BTW)

[ryanwarsaw]

I don't see the post now but somebody asked me to name one thing he said that is dishonest. He claimed that web 2.0 apps were sufficient for the iPhone. We all know how that went.


FWIW I put the options in the poll as to make it favorable for jobs. It does seem that there is a minority here that views him as one might view somebody like Jerry Rubin. Never trust anybody over 30.

[archesdevil]

Regardless of the fact that I don't know him, it's a well-known fact amongst old Mac users that he isn't exactly a nice guy. Never was, and never will be. The company which he's CEO of can make some great products, but that should be detached from Steve Jobs, the human being. The man does park in handicap parking spots and isn't handicap. :rolleyes:

He's an absolute tosser, but CEO of a great company. And he make Jon Ive head of design. ;)

I'm sure Oprah parks in handicapped parking spots too.

[ryanwarsaw]

I'm beginning to dislike you Steve is my hero:D, I'd follow him blindly! (I voted No. 1 BTW)

He wouldn't do the same for you.

[Kebabselector]

Why would I personally dislike a person without having met him or her? :confused:

What he said.

Though during the iPod event he said 'cool' far too much for a 50+ year old man (guessing age).

[Dejavu]

I socially love Steve Jobs, and am not afraid to say it! :)

But I financially hate him!

[calculus]

Though during the iPod event he said 'cool' far too much for a 50+ year old man (guessing age).

Is there some law I missed? :confused:

[northy124]

He wouldn't do the same for you.
Do care would still follow him!!!

[dejo]

These days I think he says more and more things he knows are dishonest.

He is dishonest.
Either one of you want to give a specific example of something he said or did you think was dishonest? Rather than making a statement but providing no rationale for it.

[Kebabselector]

Is there some law I missed? :confused:

Yes

[Trip.Tucker]

never liked him from the start.

Why are you here?

[ryanwarsaw]

It is also dishonest when Jobs goes to an Ipod event and launches a new product (think ear buds here) for the "funnest" Ipod ever when it isn't compatible with what he called the "greatest" Ipod ever with in 2 months of launching the 3G. Let alone rejecting an app in the store for duplicating functionality, when such functionality doesn't exist on the Iphone currently.

I know it isn't Jobs in particular that launched the products or selects the apps but he is the spokesman. If Gates doesn't deserve a bit more benefit of the doubt why, give it to Steve?

[archesdevil]

You need to use the dictionary function, assuming you have a Mac, and look up the definition of dishonesty.

[ryanwarsaw]

Either one of you want to give a specific example of something he said or did you think was dishonest? Rather than making a statement but providing no rationale for it.

I already stated one thing I thought was dishonest in a previous post.

If you want another opinion posting adware like genius into 2.1 and claiming it is a feature is also not above board in my book.

[northy124]

I already stated one thing I thought was dishonest in a previous post.

If you want another opinion posting adware like genius into 2.1 and claiming it is a feature is also not above board in my book.

Genius rules I have found so many songs that I now love thanks to Genius.

[WordLife565]

Wozniak>Jobs

[kkat69]

I watched the documentary on it, Pirates Of Silicon Valley.


OMG that's like saying "I know all there is about the medevil times, I watch the Tudor's on Showtime"

You do realize that's not a documentary but more a fiction based on some facts. Over half the stuff even Woz can't confirm happened.

[Queso]

A genius perfectionist with a vision of what the world could be if people put more effort into what they create? Undoubtedly, but I don't think he's a nice guy. Too many people say he's a complete **** for anyone to be fooled into thinking otherwise.

However, I'm not voting in the poll. It's not like we're on each others' Christmas card lists. I don't care if he's disliked as long as he keeps Apple motivated.

[Trip.Tucker]

Wozniak>Jobs

Your opinion = /null

[ryanwarsaw]

A genius perfectionist with a vision of what the world could be if people put more effort into what they create? Undoubtedly, but I don't think he's a nice guy. Too many people say he's a complete **** for anyone to be fooled into thinking otherwise.

However, I'm not voting in the poll. It's not like we're on each others' Christmas card lists. I don't care if he's disliked as long as he keeps Apple motivated.

The guy that pumps out in Steve's opinion "third rate products" is also the worlds largest philanthropist.

Also Apple was told to pull an ad in the UK for reasons that it was dishonest I know it isn't Jobs that makes them but shows a pattern.

As the ads for being twice as quick should be pulled but I haven't seen one in awhile so maybe they did themselves a favor. The load times were misleading.

[ryanwarsaw]

Considering three of four of the available poll responses are reinforcing your (negative) query, it's pretty evident what you are aiming at, even if you don't think you are. It's called a loaded poll.

You don't work for the New York Times/Fox News, do ya'? :p

As far as "personally" disliking anything or anyone, doesn't it stand to reason that all dislikes are by their very nature personal?


Ever notice the first option is in his favor and the worst option is at the bottom?

[localoid]

... Though during the iPod event he said 'cool' far too much for a 50+ year old man (guessing age).

Every generation seems to think they alone can define what's cool, but no, your generation didn't invent the term. "Cool" was in common use in the 1940s by (primarily black) jazz musicians and by the 50s, the (mostly white) beatniks were using it. By the 60s it was used by the "Merchants of Cool" to market their products. Get used to it... Get over it...

[ryanwarsaw]

I did not know that. Thanks for the info.

[NT1440]

The guy that pumps out in Steve's opinion "third rate products" is also the worlds largest philanthropist.



if your talking about gates, thats pretty damn easy to do when you were/are the worlds richest man.


and what did that have to do anything with jobs?

[hellomoto4]

What's wrong with him?!
I reakon he's great!

[ryanwarsaw]

if your talking about gates, thats pretty damn easy to do when you were/are the worlds richest man.


and what did that have to do anything with jobs?

It was a mere comparison. It beats parking in handicapped zones.

[NT1440]

It was a mere comparison. It beats parking in handicapped zones.

wtf are you even talking about?

why is it that people take things personally when a COMPANY doesnt meet every expectation you have?

[dejo]

The guy that pumps out in Steve's opinion "third rate products" is also the worlds largest philanthropist.
But using money, some of which was gained through illegal means, for good is okay though, right? ;)

[ryanwarsaw]

How is it that CEO can lie to their customers and it isn't personal?

[archesdevil]

How is it that CEO can lie to their customers and it isn't personal?

Steve Jobs has not lied to his customers. If you are so unhappy with the Apple experience, then leave.

[NT1440]

How is it that CEO can lie to their customers and it isn't personal?

Because thats all that CEOs and companies usually do anyway, are you suprised because you expected more from the almighty apple? guess what, they are a company like every other.

I still cant recall any time that steve flat out lied to us about ne thing. Can you provide more proof than the UK considering something misleading?

[ryanwarsaw]

Because thats all that CEOs and companies usually do anyway, are you suprised because you expected more from the almighty apple? guess what, they are a company like every other.

I still cant recall any time that steve flat out lied to us about ne thing. Can you provide more proof than the UK considering something misleading?

When he said web 2.0 apps were sufficient. Remember when the phone had no native apps? \the uk thing was misleading enough that it was pulled, enough said.

[dejo]

When he said web 2.0 apps were sufficient.
Maybe when he said Web 2.0 apps were sufficient, the iPhone SDK was not even close to being ready for public consumption. So, should they have released it anyways? I'm not saying I know this for sure. Just suggesting to consider the possibility.
Remember when the phone had no native apps?
The iPhone has always had native apps, like Safari, Mail, Weather, etc. Are you thinking of "3rd-party apps"?

[NT1440]

When he said web 2.0 apps were sufficient. Remember when the phone had no native apps? \the uk thing was misleading enough that it was pulled, enough said.

underlined is an opinion.

The uk thing. i wasnt aware that steve jobs himself personally makes every thing apple does. I wasnt aware he works for apples advertising department as well. He must be a busy busy man:rolleyes:

[ryanwarsaw]

Okay I was wrong.

[Abstract]

Is there some law I missed? :confused:

You're supposed to say "Groovy".

[NT1440]

Okay I was wrong.

:eek:

what happened to this website!?

[coupdetat]

wtf are you even talking about?

why is it that people take things personally when a COMPANY doesnt meet every expectation you have?

And why is it that apologists always disallow honest debate?

Let me spell it out for you. Bill Gates is a huge philanthropist who changes the lives of millions through his work. Steve Jobs is a great CEO whose company makes great products, but not necessarily a charitable person.

[clevin]

Steve Jobs has not lied to his customers. If you are so unhappy with the Apple experience, then leave.
oh ohoh, leave if you dont like SJ. MR mods, is this the type of discussion environment you think proper here?

Either one of you want to give a specific example of something he said or did you think was dishonest? Rather than making a statement but providing no rationale for it.

examples, I noticed you use the expression "something he said". Lets just make it clear first, that I haven't hear a sentence he uttered on the stage. since he is the one give 2-3 hr speech each year to hype apple's products, I have to attribute all the words on apple's website under his name.

now samples of dishonest, under the previous disclaimer, which, Im sure he himself uttered some of them, if not all.

1. windows has 144,000 viruses, now does it?

2. safari for windows, "secure from day 1", the claim was taken down 2 days after first appearance due to the disclosure of two security holes.

3. MM, push everywhere. the claims were modified later

4. during installation of iTunes for windows, it will install an "updater" for you, but the updater is actually not only an updater.

5. half the price, double the speed, for some people?

6. our products' screen has "millions of colors". now does it?

7. carpet bomb security hole is "not a risk"

there are more, and i would come up more if I have time to check all the claims on apple.com. but enjoy these for now. I expect spins, so if you want to, feel free.

Because thats all that CEOs and companies usually do anyway, are you suprised because you expected more from the almighty apple? guess what, they are a company like every other.

I still cant recall any time that steve flat out lied to us about ne thing. Can you provide more proof than the UK considering something misleading?
Because no other CEO lie in such a personal way. They don't go out on stage 2 or 3 times a year to pump their products on a super hyped environment.

Why are you here?
last time I checked, MR doesn't have a rule that "we forbid users who dislike SJ"?

please be careful with your statement, those type of anti-free speech stuff would harm the reputation of MR, which I actually think is quite good as of now.

Also, I remember receiving quite a few "thank you" notes with my 7600+ posts before. You don't think I just post 7600+ hate posts against SJ, do you? :o

[Keebler]

the question should read if 'the image of steve jobs' b/c unless you've met someone, how can you like/dislike them?

we only know 'of' him through the media (for the most part).

[Buttercookie]

I have no reason to personally dislike Steve Jobs.

[macfan881]

Isn't that my right if I personally feel that way?

This is turning into a thread that is about like arguing over the name Itouch or Ipod touch or iPod touch.

According to prior logic it can't be personal because nobody here has met me.
it would also help your post if you explained why.

[NT1440]

And why is it that apologists always disallow honest debate?

Let me spell it out for you. Bill Gates is a huge philanthropist who changes the lives of millions through his work. Steve Jobs is a great CEO whose company makes great products, but not necessarily a charitable person.

Yes i realize Gates does give massive amounts of money. I was saying thats easy to do when your the richest (or were) man in the world. It doesnt cut away from him giving so much, but (example) when you have enormous wealth it is easier to give away money.

Jobs has donated in the past. No one is certain if he continues to, because you can donate anonymously.

[Kebabselector]

Get used to it... Get over it...

Well that told me then.

[jodelli]

I need another option. I'm not beginning to dislike him, I already do. His mistreatment of people is legendary.

[dejo]

Steve Jobs is a great CEO whose company makes great products, but not necessarily a charitable person.
And you know this how?

[ryanwarsaw]

And you know this how?

When has his name appeared in the news for doing charitable things?

[dejo]

When has his name appeared in the news for doing charitable things?
Perhaps he prefers to do his charitable work anonymously. Rather than making a public display of "Look at me, see, I do good things!" Just surmising...

[QuantumLo0p]

I dislike his unwillingness to be honest regarding Apple road maps. I can totally respect confidentiality but lying I cannot. I don't lie to people and I require the same of them.

He should keep his political views private. Perhaps if he, as well as others in business and entertainment, actually had a wealth of political experience I would consider their opinions. When they don't have the experience their political opinions have no more worth to me than the drive through kid at a McDonalds. It is what it is.

:D

[ChrisA]

I answered #3 that he is beginning to lose credibility. When I first saw him I really thought he was great. These days I think he says more and more things he knows are dishonest. Please submit your opinion. Maybe there should be more poll options as well.

This last "event" may be the last straw. Apple said it was going to be "big" and it was anything but big. Just some minor incremental changes to the iPod line up. They should have simply updated the web site. Now no one will believe it when they say "big". What does a reporter who flew in from the east coast think when he hears "So now the Nano is tall again and some prices have changed." He thinks "I'll never fall for that again."

But Steve dishonest? No I don't think so. Just not so smart to cal a big event to announce trivia.

[ChrisA]

When has his name appeared in the news for doing charitable things?

I might argue that those who do get their name in the news are doing the charitable things for reasons other than charity.

[gnasher729]

The guy that pumps out in Steve's opinion "third rate products" is also the worlds largest philanthropist.

What makes Bill Gates a philanthropist in your opinion? Microsoft has made him more money than he can spend on himself, so he is desperately trying to buy himself a good reputation. And who pays for it? Not Bill Gates, but customers buying Microsoft products.

Also Apple was told to pull an ad in the UK for reasons that it was dishonest I know it isn't Jobs that makes them but shows a pattern.

Now if someone replaces "misleading" with "dishonest", as you just did, is that just misleading or is it dishonest? But let's compare: Apple is told to withdraw one TV advert in the UK. Microsoft is fined a bit more than 600 million Euros for violating a court order for more than three years.

[gnasher729]

SJ was nice when he was working with The Woz back when Apple was new, but when it started to get big SJ got nasty :(

I watched the documentary on it, Pirates Of Silicon Valley.

I wouldn't call "Pirates of Silicon Valley" a documentary. And I am sure Apple employs a few thousand people who are nicer than Steve Jobs, and I guess the same is true for Microsoft. But Steve Jobs isn't there to be nice. He is there to drive the company forward, and that is what he is doing.

[MrSmith]

The second answer is, Yes, I'm beginning to dislike him, while the fourth is, I have began to hate him. What's the difference? The amount of bile involved?

And how about those who have always disliked/hated him?

What a poll...

[anjinha]

This last "event" may be the last straw. Apple said it was going to be "big" and it was anything but big. Just some minor incremental changes to the iPod line up. They should have simply updated the web site. Now no one will believe it when they say "big". What does a reporter who flew in from the east coast think when he hears "So now the Nano is tall again and some prices have changed." He thinks "I'll never fall for that again."

But Steve dishonest? No I don't think so. Just not so smart to cal a big event to announce trivia.

Did apple really say that the event was going to be big or was it just a rumor that apple said that?

[ryanwarsaw]

I might argue that those who do get their name in the news are doing the charitable things for reasons other than charity.

Ummm okay but I have never seen a computer lab donated by Apple in any 3rd world country. I have seen windows boxes.

[ryanwarsaw]

The second answer is, Yes, I'm beginning to dislike him, while the fourth is, I have began to hate him. What's the difference? The amount of bile involved?

And how about those who have always disliked/hated him?

What a poll...

You can make a new one...where the answers suit you better.

[ryanwarsaw]

What makes Bill Gates a philanthropist in your opinion? Microsoft has made him more money than he can spend on himself, so he is desperately trying to buy himself a good reputation. And who pays for it? Not Bill Gates, but customers buying Microsoft products.



Now if someone replaces "misleading" with "dishonest", as you just did, is that just misleading or is it dishonest? But let's compare: Apple is told to withdraw one TV advert in the UK. Microsoft is fined a bit more than 600 million Euros for violating a court order for more than three years.

Point taken. As far as philanthropy is involved, yeah Steve is a mere billionaire. Warren Buffett is also trying to buy a good name too I guess. Whatever the motives are at least they do something.

FWIW I would love to use Macs to teach technology in the 3rd world but it is very difficult, this is not Apple's fault but my God is it hard to do.

[Queso]

Ummm okay but I have never seen a computer lab donated by Apple in any 3rd world country. I have seen windows boxes.
Maybe because Steve Jobs is busy giving the locals clean drinking water and sanitation whilst Bill is more concerned with ensuring future customers?

It's a possibility.

[mlemonds]

when it comes to promoting apple products, i do not believe that jobs is being dishonest.

in my mind, being dishonest implies a malicious undertone. he is not purposefully lying about the products, he is selling what the product should be doing on paper. the iPhone is a very new product and the kinks need to be worked out.

i dont dislike him as a person (haven't met him) or as a public figure.

[ryanwarsaw]

Maybe because Steve Jobs is busy giving the locals clean drinking water and sanitation whilst Bill is more concerned with ensuring future customers?

It's a possibility.

Yes and the tooth fairy was the one that put money under my pillow.

In fairness they had project red iPods which seem to have been dropped now. That was for some common good.

[northy124]

In fairness they had project red iPods which seem to have been dropped now. That was for some common good.

You mean these very iPods? 8GB (Product) Red Nano (http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APPLE/WebObjects/AppleStore.woa/wa/RSLID?sf=wHF2F2PHCCCX72KDY&nnmm=prcd&pn=MB751LL/A) 16GB (Product) Red Nano (http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APPLE/WebObjects/AppleStore.woa/wa/RSLID?sf=wHF2F2PHCCCX72KDY&nnmm=prcd&pn=MB917LL/A), 1GB (Product) Red Shuffle (http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APPLE/WebObjects/AppleStore.woa/wa/RSLID?sf=wHF2F2PHCCCX72KDY&nnmm=prcd&pn=MB817LL/A) & the 2GB (Product) Red Shuffle (http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APPLE/WebObjects/AppleStore.woa/wa/RSLID?sf=wHF2F2PHCCCX72KDY&nnmm=prcd&pn=MB779LL/A).

[ryanwarsaw]

You mean these very iPods? 8GB (Product) Red Nano (http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APPLE/WebObjects/AppleStore.woa/wa/RSLID?sf=wHF2F2PHCCCX72KDY&nnmm=prcd&pn=MB751LL/A) 16GB (Product) Red Nano (http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APPLE/WebObjects/AppleStore.woa/wa/RSLID?sf=wHF2F2PHCCCX72KDY&nnmm=prcd&pn=MB917LL/A), 1GB (Product) Red Shuffle (http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APPLE/WebObjects/AppleStore.woa/wa/RSLID?sf=wHF2F2PHCCCX72KDY&nnmm=prcd&pn=MB817LL/A), 2GB (Product) Red Shuffle (http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APPLE/WebObjects/AppleStore.woa/wa/RSLID?sf=wHF2F2PHCCCX72KDY&nnmm=prcd&pn=MB779LL/A).

Okay so they are still around, my mistake. I didn't see them during the keynote. Every color but red was there. The product red availability wasn't mentioned as far as I know.

[ryanwarsaw]

double post

[Much Ado]

How can you personally dislike someone you have never personally met?

[northy124]

Okay so they are still around, my mistake. I didn't see them during the keynote. Every color but red was there. The product red availabilit wasn't mentioned as far as I know.

Does it really have to be mentioned to be sold? No thought so.

[ryanwarsaw]

My conclusion from this poll is... that around 35% find that they possibly like Apple but not Jobs himself. I will decline further comment and let the poll speak for itself.

[AceWilfong]

Think Ballmer

[PowerFullMac]

I wouldn't call "Pirates of Silicon Valley" a documentary. And I am sure Apple employs a few thousand people who are nicer than Steve Jobs, and I guess the same is true for Microsoft. But Steve Jobs isn't there to be nice. He is there to drive the company forward, and that is what he is doing.

I am sure this thread is called "Is anybody beginning to personally dislike Jobs?" and not "Lets talk about the wonderful things Steve Jobs has done for Apple".

Yes, SJ basically saved Apple, but thats not what this thread is about.

[jodelli]

It was a mere comparison. It beats parking in handicapped zones.

wtf are you even talking about?

why is it that people take things personally when a COMPANY doesnt meet every expectation you have?

Steve has been known to park in handicap spots.

[NT1440]

Steve has been known to park in handicap spots.

and that translates to him being a horrible person.....how?

In reality MANY people do it, simply because (at least in my area) there are somewhere around 20 handicap spots that NEVER get used. I realize that you still shouldnt be doing it, but can parking in a zone ur not supposed to really be a cause for "personally disliking" someone?

I really think alot of people in the world hate steve without warrant, just as many people hate Gates without reason.

[JNB]

My conclusion from this poll is... that around 35% find that they possibly like Apple but not Jobs himself. I will decline further comment and let the poll speak for itself.
That would be 35% (actually, more like 20% since you include a response item that has nothing to do with like or dislike, but credibility) of the people that saw and then bothered to respond, right? Which equates to exactly what in the real world, in percentage or significance?

[northy124]

My conclusion from this poll is... that around 35% find that they possibly like Apple but not Jobs himself. I will decline further comment and let the poll speak for itself.

The poll has spoken more people like than dislike Jobs.

[jodelli]

and that translates to him being a horrible person.....how?


It's just one more example of his complete lack of empathy for anyone but himself. It's manifested in his psychotic outbursts with the people he works with as well.
It simply doesn't occur to him that there's anything wrong with it.
And it's tolerated because he's an eccentric genius.

[MacTraveller]

What Steve Jobs says or whatever egotistic opinions he has.... means little. What Steve Jobs has done, the work that he has done, and what innovative products he has helped to create... is the only thing that affects consumers.

I could care less if Steve Jobs was some smelly dark-skinned mental nutcase who is a Godless communist who thinks Paris Hilton is sexy, and he thinks Sarah Palin is hawt. I could care less what he says or what he thinks. The only thing that matters is action. What he has done. And he has done a LOT. The fact that people actually care about Apple Products, and spend tons of hours wasting their time on these MacRumors forums thinking about Apple Products... means that Steve Jobs has been doing some fairly brilliant work. Who cares about his ego or his celebrity? Why does any of that superficial stuff matter?? How does that affect ordinary people??

[MacTraveller]

It's just one more example of his complete lack of empathy for anyone but himself. It's manifested in his psychotic outbursts with the people he works with as well.
It simply doesn't occur to him that there's anything wrong with it.
And it's tolerated because he's an eccentric genius.

And insecure people like you are just jealous of his success. Very likely.

[StingerT125]

I don't personally know him but from what I can tell he is doing a great job.

[MacTraveller]

I don't personally know him but from what I can tell he is doing a great job.

Correct.

And the work that Steve is doing is the only thing that matters. His work and leadership at Apple is legendary, since he managed to save Apple from near-death during the late-90s, and worked hard to turn it into an extremely successful robust company, cranking out innovative products that EVERYONE ELSE COPY-CATS today.

His work as chief of a company called Apple Inc. is the thing that matters most. His egotism, whatever snarky comments he says.... or even his chic celebrity status... all of that is inconsequential. Those things do not affect ordinary consumers.

[jodelli]

And insecure people like you are just jealous of his success. Very likely.

That's just so precious. I am in a bipolar state myself and recognize his emotional imbalance leading to his mercurial outbursts and semi psychotic state of mind. This enables his rationale that other people's rules don't apply to him.
His success is irrelevant if he acts like a spoiled brat in front of other more civil minded people.
The relevance is to the future of Apple if his colossal ego hinders the performance of the company, as it did at NeXT.

You think I'm insecure. Give up mind reading, you're no good at it. Very likely.

[hexonxonx]

I don't know him so I can't hate him. I do have respect for what he's done with Apple over the past few years. There has been some excellent stuff coming out.

[queshy]

I have a lot of respect for Jobs. Although I agree with him on many issues, I also disagree with him on some. He is very "polarized" and people are either bozos or geniuses. I really do think there is an in-between. For tech stuff, maybe that concept works well, but not for people. Mind you, I'm not the one leading a multi-billion dollar company, and maybe when you are in such a situation, it seems as though people are geniuses or bozos...

Anyway, as I said, I have a lot of respect for him, and for many reasons.

So no, I"m not beginning to dislike Jobs (yet). Checkout his stanford commencement speech...brilliant.

[gusious]

No. Why should i dislike him? He's a great businessman who's trying to make money and make a powerful company. And i think he's doing it very well so far.

[ryanwarsaw]

The poll has spoken more people like than dislike Jobs.

Yes and popularity ratings go down as bad decisions are made. If I made a poll about Gates here I am sure he wouldn't fare so well. Approximately 1 out of 3 users on a mac forum either dislike or don't trust the supposed boss. I made this poll out of curiosity more than anything. Thankfully I have that right and we don't live in North Korea.

The options of the poll were put so that positive things were at the top. And as opinion declined it moves towards the bottom of the poll. Thank you for participating.

IMO this polll shows that some people are becoming unhappy with the leadership at Apple but not most. That is all I wanted to know. I made another pll about if people would avoid the app store because of it's limits and overwhelmingly they didn't.

On the front page there was an article that many people made all kinds of criticism but after making that poll I realized that people criticize things but don't act upon it. Gathering different opinions is one way that I was tuaght to learn from. Sometimes polls are put out to gather information.

I think different opinions are welcome so thank you for sharing.

[soLoredd]

Personally, I dislike and don't trust polls. I advise you to take them with a grain of salt.

I will, however, say this: I get just as frustrated with broken promises, delays, and lackluster announcements same as anyone else. But I try to tell myself that Apple wants to innovate. If they didn't try bold, new ideas or branch out, they would be left in the dark. And I think Steve Jobs has pioneered Apple on that mission. Even if it turns out to be unsuccessful, he tried.

[PowerFullMac]

Personally, I dislike and don't trust polls. I advise you to take them with a grain of salt.

I will, however, say this: I get just as frustrated with broken promises, delays, and lackluster announcements same as anyone else. But I try to tell myself that Apple wants to innovate. If they didn't try bold, new ideas or branch out, they would be left in the dark. And I think Steve Jobs has pioneered Apple on that mission. Even if it turns out to be unsuccessful, he tried.

Unsuccessful? There is no way people will look back on Apple and mark it as "unsuccessful".

Who has the largest share in the MP3 player market? Who has the most successful new phone, even though it costs more than a house? Who's computer market share goes up every year? Who's enterprise share tripled even though they dont aim for that market?

I could go on forever with that one... Anyway, the point is Apple has gone very far in 8 years since Steve Jobs started as CEO, and they have a lot of innovating left. (Try innovating a iPhone Nano, yeah? :p).

[Henri Gaudier]

I don't know anything about him really to hold any true, strong opinion. I thought his "People don't read anymore" line was truly moronic but as for whether he's sly, nasty or a pathological liar ... dunno? In the end is it important? I love Charles Bukowski's work and many years ago I saw a doc about him that showed an interview with him where he kicked his wife. It really angered me that he could do such a thing
but has it changed my opinion of The Roominghouse Madrigals or Burning In Water Drowning in Flames? No .. it's the work that counts and in that regard I'm still here ... planning to buy whatever the best Mac Pro is in January will be my new music studio comp. I don't think people should get involved with the personalities of CEOs of Global companies. That way madness and disappointment lay. Can anyone name the CEO of the company that made their TV, car, fridge?

[Saladinos]

I can't dislike him as a person - I don't know him.

He's a great salesman and is very good at reading the technology market. His story is quite inspirational - the speech he gave at Stanford can be found here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D1R-jKKp3NA) (Youtube).

It's a great story - very turbulent, but it all sort of fits in to place. Massive highs (Apple's early success, Apple's current success, Disney/Pixar) and massive lows (Cancer, leaving Apple, dropping out at college because his adopted parents worke hard to put him there and he didn't see the benefit). He mentions dropping in to calligraphy classes at college, and transferring the knowledge to make a fantastic type system for the Mac that helped its early success. You can't connect the dots going forward (paraphrase).

[thebeesknees]

Is Steve Jobs a jerk? Yes.

Does it matter? No.

Look, the guy parks his 155,000 car in the disabled parking space, and back at his early days of Apple, employees would not go in an elevator with him, as they feared they would lose their job after a couple of floors.

I'd really like to like him. He seems like such a nice guy.

But he's sure as heck helping Apple, so meh.

[agl82]

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[BitingThrough]

First, I APOLOGIZE FOR THE LENGTH, BUT NECESSARY. I am sorry for being so wordy and repeating, but I guess once I got going, I must have experienced some sort of diarrhea from consuming shiny coated rotten apples. And do know, this is not easy as I had been a happy Apple consumer for two decades, as well as a strong advocate. This is a sad time as loyalty with Apple is one-sided and theirs turned out to be a worm.

You can imagine how disappointed I was when (almost 2 yrs ago) my new MacBook Pro showed up straight out of the box with an ill-fitted case, recessed power button, clicker bar and broken latch. All I could think was what happened to Apple quality? Back it went, then again. I also paid for AppleCare on this MacBook Pro and for my iPod.

Immediately the iPod seemed to have issues and back it too went, but my brand new iPod, was replaced with a refurbished iPod that had a damaged screen that looked like an oil slick.

The next replacement had the same problems as the first. What really threw me was one particular call to AppleCare for my iPod issues. The woman asked for all my personal and iPod information then began to try to assist me. I got concerned when she asked me to conduct a search by clicking on “start” and select “my computer”. I interrupted and asked if she worked for Apple? When she wanted to know why I asked, I suggested using “Spotlight” in the upper right corner of my Mac to do a search. “What’s Spotlight?” was her reply. She then admitted that her dad worked for Apple but he wasn’t home. She said that all she could do was issue a return for my iPod. I declined and discontinued the call.

I called Apple’s corporate office to report this AppleCare call; they thanked me and offered to assign a high level tech to assist me with the iPod and the MacBook Pro issues. The MacBook Pro, after the physical hardware problems were addressed, started to display inappropriate cursor behavior that overlapped all open applications - diagonal or horizontal two-sided arrow while in Mail or Safari, then highlighting single words, entire paragraphs or pages left spaces and gaps. Also when the “I” bar was placed in prose for editing it remained even after placing it in another area, and remained in the second spot, and the third and so on until I had “I” bars all over the place. (Save, quit, restart.)

Oddly, after an automatic software update for Airport came in, that is about when the cursor issues started so did other things especially involving Mail, Airport Express, and my column view windows, if even viable, showed gaps in the file names and the lists overlapped and gapped, I had pop-ups that were white blank squares, experienced constant freeze-ups, unexpected quits, including the OSX system ... I can go on but I think you get the idea and I'm sure I'll say more as it comes to mind.

Initially in working with the high level tech I believed he was really trying to find a solution. Among the various fixes were an alias user account, reinstalls, clean installs, purchased upgrades and new software applications, followed by more of the same. Finally they offered to send a new OSX Leopard for the next clean install. Following this install, I was asked for various bits of information from my hard drive’s system profiler so he could “see” what was happening to help find a solution. I also stayed in communication by sending screen shots of oddities and problems as they showed up, but as I inquired as to what he "saw", all of a sudden he disappeared, no answer to my emails or phone messages.

Immediately following that latest clean install, other people’s computers, wireless or not, were now mounting on my computer’s desktop. When I called to find out about this, I was told it was not possible (and this became their mantra for months). However, I assured them that I could not only see these computer’s hard drives mounted on my desktop, but when the tech suggested I wouldn’t be able to access them and I tried it was indeed possible. Months into this, as well as all the other issues, they had me mail the computer in to replace the Airport card than the video card, yet my MacBook Pro returned "hacker-able" if I chose - good thing I am an honest person.

More calls to deal with all the chaos on this computer - my iPod long left in the dust, yet still ticking away on my paid for AppleCare for both. On yet another AppleCare tech call for the issue of other people’s computers mounting on my desktop, the tech had me check all settings and once past “that’s impossible” he put me on hold several times while he checked for a solution. Finally he declared it was an easy fix and in just a couple clicks and mere seconds, I was completely locked out of my computer.

My hard drive icon immediately changed into a blue file folder icon with "cancel" symbol over it, (a red circle crossed with a diagonal line), and from there, things only got worse, much worse. Over the next week and dozens of hours on the phone with more high level AppleCare techs (one who flatly told me they had no record of any of my previous calls to AppleCare - I am so glad I had all these correspondences safely backed up long ago and had the wherewithal to video and take still shots with my camera as well as notes and phone logs, and that another person was sitting with me while the techs were on speaker phone so I could have my hands free to work throughout this long locked out phase).

With hired outside help, a borrowed iMacbook, and with another purchased external hard drive we were eventually able to back up a dmg file of my entire locked out hard drive from which my data was slowly retrieved over time. Another complete clean wipe of this computer’s hard drive before more long hours over many days to reinstall applications, many of which had now created their own issues due to the repeated reinstalls. After Apple squashed me, I contacted Adobe and explained in detail what the last year with AppleCare had created and they handled things with professionalism, customer care and understanding then kindly corrected my CS3 Design Premium Ext. Bundle re-registration issues that were created due to the constant reinstalls while bobbing with Apple.

Now, I am happy to say that other people’s hard drives no longer mount on my computer. However, some of the other oddities have continued. I am no longer an advocate for Apple, in fact am quite disappointed in them over all. I wrote a letter to Mr. Jobs (sent express mail) explaining all of this in detail, and sent samples of the emails, screen shots, videos, etc., to help him understand how crazy this has been, but sadly I was told he is too busy running two corporations to deal with this. I have lost confidence in Apple; I no longer trust their judgment or “help”, and am still paying for their useless AppleCare. (They should refund it all 100% at the very least.)

A call from latest high-level tech informed me he had been assigned to deal with my letter to Mr. Jobs, but when he told me he was on Google Earth looking at my house as we spoke, I got the green-apple-quick-step. (An attempt at intimidation?) Has Apple joined the ranks of other greed-monger bully corporations? What exactly does AppleCare mean, and for whom? Customers pay for the product, then pay for AppleCare, then sit in queue with all other calls to spend an enormous amount of down time with paid employees or their kids, for what?

I love(d) Mac(s) and when things used to work, they worked well, and I want it to work with the quality one using Apple products and tech support for decades expects. I want the AppleCare I pay for and not a run around of busy work by untrained employees or their children. I surely do not want my computer to have the ability to have access to others hard drives and I especially do not want to be locked out of my own computer by ill-advised AppleCare techs. What the heck was going on as the rotting apple; it is beginning to stink.

Again, I am glad I have good notes and back up of all. They did eventually acknowledge that these tech calls and correspondences did exist, as did the non-existing tech I'd work with for months, but only after I gave them proof. Then they added, that some techs don't keep good notes or any notes at all and that many are just lost. Maybe if it is the children of AppleCare techs that will be answering the phone for dad when he's away, they need get better training for the job, and if it's not a child labor issue, get paid by Apple for their work. I am strongly opposed to paying for AppleCare tech support when the person is someone filling in for daddy.

Regarding the software applications, they were upgraded or replaced throughout the fix attempts, and even with Adobe, I worked extensively when things began with the cursor. Using PS everyday, at first I figured it must be a PS/tool issue. I shared my thoughts with Apple and said I would start with Adobe first and would let Apple know the outcome. The tech I'd been working with expressed he doubted that the problem was this application as many things were involved and appeared directly tied to other areas such as Mail, Safari, Airport Extreme, and even a 'sticking' trackpad to which I then purchased an external Apple keyboard and mouse to get away from that problem, though the issues continued.

Not all the problems happen at once and I cannot "make" them happen. Historically it appears to show a pattern that may first be noticeable with the cursor or oddities on the screen or desktop. One fix that seemed to work for short term for a Mail/Airport issue (and also showed the cursor issues in other open applications), was to save all, quit all, turn off Airport, then turn Airport back on, open Safari first, and then open Mail, then all would be fine, though at times a restart was needed or just to shut down for several hours, then this issue seemed well with the Mac, until the next time. This is the loop I've been in for many months, the lock out and mess created by it was just a cherry on top of a rotting apple pie.

I truly thought we were all working to find a solution, that is until my inquiries as to why other's (very accessible) hard drives were mounting on my desktop, then came the unexpected lock out. This is why I am seeking input from this forum and others. I was in the middle of projects and many were lost, some had to be redone, or I needed to send customers elsewhere as my Mac was not dependable.

I’m still waiting for Mr. Jobs and Apple to do the right thing, but I’m not holding my breath. BitingThrough

[clyde2801]

It sounds as if we would be an insufferable prick to deal with personally. That said, I don't have to deal with him. His personality probably has a lot to do with Apple's corporate culture, good and bad: paranoid secrecy, extreme control issues, and disregard for the rank and file of his own company and most of the consumers of his products.

As long as he continues to do his thing with computers, so what? Many times, his decisions turned out to be right in the long run. I don't think I'd want to share a drink, dinner or even an elevator ride with him, but I will so far continue to buy the products his company makes.

[uaecasher]

I answered No :)

[alfmil]

I chose three, I find no reason to personally hate him, but I do think him saying to the media the "Let's Rock" event was a huge thing was the overstatement of the century.

Seriously? With all that has been said just in the last decade? Jebus, it would seem like your statement is...well... perhaps the overstatement of the century. :D

As for the Gates Foundation. I found this article interesting. Only donate 5% so you don't have to pay taxes, then invest the rest, nearly half of it in companies causing the problems you say you are trying to alleviate...? I also especially like the $4.3 billion investment characterized as "loans." Awesome! Gates truly is a genius.

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-gatesx07jan07,0,4205044,full.story?coll=la-home-headlines

[applecultvictim]

Steve has a solid 67%, by far more than any other leader in any field has at the moment I would wager.

[The Reverend]

I need a reason to like him,

I used to think he was cool, now i think he's like all the rest of the rich bitches in the world and has stopped caring about the us regular people.

I would have thought by now I would have heard something charitable he has done with all those billions.. but nothing noticeable.. nothing at all.

You'd Think that now that he is getting old like many of us and that he would see things different..LOL but NO.. he has not done one thing to improve the quality of life of any of the employes that work for him.

With the Billions he has, he could BE Different.. not just Think different. He could set an example to all the other Million and Billionaries out in the world and truly BE Different.. Do something that is noticed world wide, do something with those Billions that really helps people, not just improves the consumer view of his company so he can sell more and make more Billions off of backs of those employees that work so hard for him in his company.

I'm praying for him to become a better man and see that he can create a better world through his actions.

Perhaps other will pray with me and perhaps he may change.. time will tell all!

:)

[NT1440]

You know theres such thing as anonymous donations right?

[arkitect]

You know theres such thing as anonymous donations right?

Uhuh.
And I am sure Jobs does plenty of those…

;)

[NT1440]

Uhuh.
And I am sure Jobs does plenty of those…

;)
Well, he did have his own charity going at one point.

Hes an incredibly private man.

[arkitect]

Hes an incredibly private man.

I won't dispute that.
:D

[savar]

Anyway semantics (I shouldn't have said personally) aside I think it is obvious that I am asking if people are beginning to dislike or distrust him. the title of the thread is off but the actual question of the poll is only stated as dislike.

People seem to be ignoring the fact that personally has several nuances.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/personally

You should add a 5th option to the poll: "This is a stupid poll".

[The Reverend]

jezz now your checking the spelling and grammar.. Find a real life..wow!
:)

[Melrose]

Jobs has been at the wheel managing and introducing two of my favourite possessions - my Mac and my iPod. I make a living on one, and the other can while away countless hours with good music and movies.

I respect Steve as a very smart, albeit some say hard to work for at times, executive. I also admire him for his tenacity fighting cancer and his digging in his heels and bucking up even at hard times in his life - many people could take a lesson from that.

Stating that, I've never met him, don't follow his personal life and don't intend on starting to revere him unduly. And I don't blame him for being a very private individual.

[Benguitar]

No, I have not begun to hate him. :cool:

[iMacmatician]

Neither have I.

[alfmil]

Well, according to this article, SJ may have voted yes. :eek:

http://www.forbes.com/forbes/2009/0511/032-apple-steve-jobs-nobody-loves-me.html

[Brien]

Aww, poor Steve.

[ncdasa]

alright first off , (as a side comment) to all the ppl who are making a fuss about "how can i personally hate a guy if i never met the him..." and "hate is such a strong word....." and "blah blah blah" - stop being the righteous Ned Flanders of the internet and a bunch of semantic babies. Its obviously an exaggerated expression and a "loaded" poll if you must call it that. Your common sense will tell you, if you let it out of the time out corner to play with all your other brain cells, that the "exaggerated" expression is just a way of communicating an idea, so be reasonable, take the gist of the question and respond instead of spaming the thread with your good samaritan ego trip . :p

Anyway, back to the original post.
Although i can say that i feel that Mr. JObs is this and that and that unfortunately iam not inclined to think that he is a straight up honest man etc. a lot of that can be written off as part of the territory. Business men do not exactly prosper by honesty. Its part of the trade and he cant be blamed for that. In fact a little cleverness in business is commendable, right? But the point is, cleverness is one thing and greed is another. Apple is wealthy enough to provide high quality computers with out all their disgraceful money extorting tactics. I hate that ****.:mad:

People pay enough (the cheapest apple computer is at least double the price of 95% of every other computer on the market) for apple to fill its own shoes and give people half of what they are paying for and that also with out the blood sucking money tactics that come along with it.

Why the #$%& should ppl have to pay 300 dollars for something called "Apple care" to be generously offered the opportunity ask for some help over the phone from a company whos own product is defective? Why dont they reimburse the costumer for having to take time out of their day to waste time trying to get their 1000+ $ machine to do what it is supposed to do in the first place?

How about email support? Can you even write an apple techy a question? Nope. Try to find one other company which does not allow you to call them or write them to ask a question about thier products. Or even further charges you 300 $ for 3 years of hesitant "support".

How can you say that the CEO of a company with such a policy is not a sociopathic narcissist? :eek: :confused:

Any way for the cost of their computers apple could offer more cutting edge equipment (and dont get me wrong, Iam not an ingrate - they have and do bring cutting edge material to the market) but i mean fully. Why not offer blue ray disk drives in mack books . One of the main things that justifies ppl spending so much on their computer and upgrading their hdds and ram etc is media production (video in particular , and what to speak of thousands spent on software). What is illogical about ppl spending respectable amounts of money on HD cameras and such and having a blue ray drive to go along with it? Its common courtesy, simple and plain.

And why did apple initially make the "new and improved" unibody macbooks w/o firewire instead of upgrading it to fw 800? Only to come out with a new 13 in macbook pro a few months later to pinch all the first generation unibody owners into considering upgrading again. Its one thing to release a new computer w/ new and improved technology but to try to 'specialize' it by re-including the technology you already released is just a low class skam. Am I the only one that sees this?

Its petty disrespectful heartless money grubbing **** like this that makes apple look like they have the ethics of a bunch of crack addicted whores. I know it sounds like i have a bad mouth but they are the ones that act like that, i just call it what it is. :o

I mean the list goes on, from small to big.

Why cant Jobs just take pride in his job? "Iam going to make the best possible cutting edge computers i can, with the quality as the target and revenue as a byproduct, and offer them at the price commensurate to the cost of their production and marketing." Wtf is the problem?

I mean is he that strapped for cash that when he went to the atm and looked at his balance he thought "Oh ****! I better stop providing those little white remotes with the 1000 dollar laptops or iam gonna go bankrupt! 20$s from here on in." (prick....:rolleyes:)

Its the principle of it. If customers are showing their loyalty by paying more for their product then any other consumer on the market why not have the decency of not trying to bleed them with every perverted wallet molesting scheme that your stupid executives can think of.



(.....but apples are atill better then pcs even though they act like a bunch of @$$wh*le$)

[WickedRabbit]

You're asking people on a Mac forum if they hate Jobs? A lot of these guys masturbate to this dude, seriously. Don't expect shocking results in the poll.

Where's the "I've always disliked him a bit" option? Personally, the dude just rubs me the wrong way. He's arrogant and seems like he'd be a deuchebag. But, it could just also be the way he dresses (and if you dress like him you're also a deuchebag). Seriously, though, rolled up sleeve business sweater, jeans and 1978 sneakers with "i'm smarter than you glasses and a grin". They even make the guy in the Mac commercials dress like him for crying out loud. Just makes me want to punch him for some reason.

But, no, do I hate the guy? No, he just comes off as a bit too in to himself, which I think is why you have a lot of non-Apple fans that don't particularly like him. Jobs is like the leader of a cult though. To some people, they'd kill you if you talk bad about their leader so be careful.

[dukebound85]

i dont know the man so how could i personally dislike him?

[rhett7660]

Nope don't dislike him. I don't know him.

[charlesbronsen]

screw it! I hate em':p

[veggie.mac]

Many of you haven't met him but I have several times. I mostly saw him when I was younger. I hope he is doing well.