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ddeadserious
Oct 21, 2008, 12:29 AM
Just picked up a Powermac G4 from Craigslist with a 21" CRT monitor(I swear this thing weighs 75 pounds) with a pro keyboard and mouse all for $100. I really wanted to wait and get a MDD G4, but this will do, especially being 1/4 the price of the MDD ones I've been watching.

It's got a single 450mHz Processor, 1.5GB(512x3) RAM, ATI Rage128 Video Card, Airport Card, a 110GB Seagate and 20GB stock boot drive, a DVD-ROM drive, and a ZIP drive.

I've got a few questions....

I'd like to upgrade the video card to better handle watching videos, what kind of options do I have?
I'd like to upgrade the processor and I think this (http://eshop.macsales.com/item/Newer%20Technology/MAXG47S1600/) looks alright, what do you think? It seems reasonably priced.....
I'd like to replace the DVD-ROM drive with a DL DVD-RW, are there any limitations on what kind of drive I can use?
I believe this system can take 2GB RAM max, is this correct?
And lastly, the zip drive is really useless to me - does anyone offer a USB/Firewire thing to put there? I'd like to have those ports on the front. If not, can I put a second optical drive there?


My current plans(in the near, attainable future) are to bump up the ram to 2GB, and get a SATA controller card and 2 500GB SATA drives for it.

The intent of this machine is for general Internet use, occasional light photoshop or illlustrator work, torrent/downloading, listening to music when I'm hanging around the room, and watching videos/movies when I'm sitting next to it on my MBP.

Thanks for the help!



jodelli
Oct 21, 2008, 02:07 AM
Make sure of which 400 G4 model it is before upgrading. The 400s came in different flavors, the main difference being no AGP slot in the first model.

The AGP and above can use these (http://www.sonnettech.com/product/encore_stg4.html) as well. I have the 1Ghz model and have had no problems with it.

My Sawtooth is only good for 2Gig ram.

The Zip slot is PATA, and you can add another drive that runs on this, although you'll have to mod the slot to get a drive in it. Likewise an optical drive. Video wise you'll have to check around to find one that will drive on this machine.

SmurfBoxMasta
Oct 21, 2008, 05:32 AM
jodelli....if dead's machine is truly a stock 450mhz, it is an AGP "Sawtooth"......the Yikes machines only came stock up to 400mhz :)

ddS: as long as you plan to run at least 10.3.5, then

1. You can use just about any of the ATI Radeon series (7500, 8500, 9000, 9800) of cards, however the 2x AGP slot in your machine will limit the performance somewhat on the higher-end ones like the 9800. There are also some nVidia MX2/3 series cards that will work too, but their drivers of that era were flaky at best, so only go there if you absolutely cant find anything else :)

2. Yes that processor will work, but thats aLOT of $$ to drop into an antique machine :)

3. swapping the optical drives is ok, although I would recommend staying with either Pioneer (most compatible) or Sony (alot work, but not all)

4. mAxDaRam 4 sure ! regardless of what else you do with it.

5. Zip drive...worthless ? naw, surely not :D That bay is perfectly sized for 3.5" wide drives, and there are temperature monitor-displays/fan controllers out there made for peecees that will work with a little dremel-tooling....

6. The sata card & drives will add lots of sppeeed & capacity for small $$.....thats one of the 1st things I did with my 1st Sawtooth years ago !

please keep us posted with your progress :p

BTW, if you need case parts/components, pm me, I have extras :)

DoFoT9
Oct 21, 2008, 05:37 AM
god damnit. i wish australia has sites like these!!! (apart from ebay).


that is an AWSOME find!!! congrats

ddeadserious
Oct 21, 2008, 09:40 AM
Thanks jodelli and smurfbox! You were a huge help.

I'm running 10.4.11. If I do upgrade the processor somehow, it'll be running Leopard.

I think I'm gonna go with this (http://cgi.ebay.com/ATI-Radeon-9000-256MB-DDR-AGP-VIDEO-CARD-tvout-DVI_W0QQitemZ290266055762QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item290266055762&_trkparms=72%3A1234|39%3A1|66%3A2|65%3A12|240%3A1318&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14#MRLOCATE) video card, it should work right?
The more I think about the processor upgrade, you're probably right. Is there a processor unit I can drop in from another stock G4? Or is that not possible? jodelli, that processor upgrade is definitely more affordable than the one I posted, maybe I'll go with that if there's not a stock upgrade I can do.
Sounds good, I'll stick with Pioneer.
Good stuff, ram will be going to 2GB as soon as I can find a cheap, compatible 512 stick.
In regards to zip drives, I actually used them quite a bit ~5 years ago. There's a crap load of 100mb zip drives floating around my house somewhere. I think I'll pass on the little temperature display thing, although it would be cool - this will be hidden next to my desk all the time. I suppose maybe I'll just slap another hard drive in there.
Will any PCI SATA controller work, OWC's seems a little pricey? How about this (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16815124020)?


First order of business though - find a 19-24" LCD for less than $200 so I can run this thing. The monstrous CRT won't even fit on my desk.

Earl Urly
Oct 21, 2008, 10:43 AM
Thanks jodelli and smurfbox! You were a huge help.

I think I'm gonna go with this (http://cgi.ebay.com/ATI-Radeon-9000-256MB-DDR-AGP-VIDEO-CARD-tvout-DVI_W0QQitemZ290266055762QQcmdZViewItem?hash=item290266055762&_trkparms=72%3A1234|39%3A1|66%3A2|65%3A12|240%3A1318&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14#MRLOCATE) video card, it should work right?


Nope, not OOTB. You'd have to flash it to a Mac compatible version.



Will any PCI SATA controller work, OWC's seems a little pricey? How about this (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16815124020)?


Again, no, any PCI controller card for a G4 Mac has to have Open Firmware compatibility to run reliably, especially if you want to boot off the SATA drive. That's also why they're pricey since the G4 hardware market is much smaller than the (cough) PC hardware market.

If you want something cheaper:

http://www.wiebetech.com/products/pci.php

The TCS2-0 only costs $40..

OrangeSVTguy
Oct 21, 2008, 10:58 AM
If you want to upgrade to a stock processor, try looking for a dual 500mhz one. I had a gigabit ethernet g4 with dual 500 and 2gb ram and an ati 9800 pro 256mb(pc card flashed with mac rom) and I was shocked about how well it ran, I had it hooked up to my TV for a while to play all my movies and music through my stereo. For what you are describing what you want to do with your Mac, I think the dual 500 would be enough for you since the 2gb really makes that sucker come alive. Adding the PCI SATA card with SATA drives will definetly wake up that machine even more.

I'm not 100% sure but I think the Quicksilver dual processor cards might work in the Sawtooths as that could be another option. They go up to dual 1ghz. It's alot cheaper then buying a OWC or Sonnet upgraded processor.

ddeadserious
Oct 21, 2008, 11:08 AM
Nope, not OOTB. You'd have to flash it to a Mac compatible version.

Again, no, any PCI controller card for a G4 Mac has to have Open Firmware compatibility to run reliably, especially if you want to boot off the SATA drive. That's also why they're pricey since the G4 hardware market is much smaller than the (cough) PC hardware market.

If you want something cheaper:

http://www.wiebetech.com/products/pci.php

The TCS2-0 only costs $40..

Thank you!

If you want to upgrade to a stock processor, try looking for a dual 500mhz one. I had a gigabit ethernet g4 with dual 500 and 2gb ram and an ati 9800 pro 256mb(pc card flashed with mac rom) and I was shocked about how well it ran, I had it hooked up to my TV for a while to play all my movies and music through my stereo. For what you are describing what you want to do with your Mac, I think the dual 500 would be enough for you since the 2gb really makes that sucker come alive. Adding the PCI SATA card with SATA drives will definetly wake up that machine even more.

I'm not 100% sure but I think the Quicksilver dual processor cards might work in the Sawtooths as that could be another option. They go up to dual 1ghz. It's alot cheaper then buying a OWC or Sonnet upgraded processor.

And thank you! How do you flash the video card with mac rom?

velocityg4
Oct 21, 2008, 11:23 AM
If you want to upgrade to a stock processor, try looking for a dual 500mhz one. I had a gigabit ethernet g4 with dual 500 and 2gb ram and an ati 9800 pro 256mb(pc card flashed with mac rom) and I was shocked about how well it ran, I had it hooked up to my TV for a while to play all my movies and music through my stereo. For what you are describing what you want to do with your Mac, I think the dual 500 would be enough for you since the 2gb really makes that sucker come alive. Adding the PCI SATA card with SATA drives will definetly wake up that machine even more.

I'm not 100% sure but I think the Quicksilver dual processor cards might work in the Sawtooths as that could be another option. They go up to dual 1ghz. It's alot cheaper then buying a OWC or Sonnet upgraded processor.

The Quicksilvers G4's will work with some modding (not Mirror Drive Door).
1. A power lead has to be run to the CPU card. 12v if I remember correctly
2. QS used 133FSB while Sawtooth used 100 FSB, the CPU will drop in frequency unless you solder on a dip switch to modify the speed (I forget if the switch is used to change the multiplier or overclock the bus speed)

The easiest would definitely be grabbing a the Dual 500mhz you mentioned from a Gigabit Ethernet G4.

As for the video card I would look at flashing a PC Radeon 9x00 series since the used PC ones are dirt cheap. Make sure to buy one with the higher grade square not rectangular memory chips.
The Mac Elite (http://themacelite.wikidot.com/ati-radeon)

way77
Oct 21, 2008, 11:35 AM
The video card I upgraded to is a ATI Radeon 9000 Pro and it works great. Just make sure its the Mac version. I put the 1.2GHz processor in mine and it does fine in 10.4. I also put in a Pioneer DVR-109 and added a USB 2.0 PCI card. Runs like a horse, albeit a slightly older and grayer one.

jodelli
Oct 21, 2008, 02:35 PM
Thanks jodelli and smurfbox! You were a huge help.


The more I think about the processor upgrade, you're probably right. Is there a processor unit I can drop in from another stock G4? Or is that not possible? jodelli, that processor upgrade is definitely more affordable than the one I posted, maybe I'll go with that if there's not a stock upgrade I can do.

I got one on eBay a while back for less than that. Made sure of the seller, working pull, etc.


Good stuff, ram will be going to 2GB as soon as I can find a cheap, compatible 512 stick.

I have Kingston 512 in mine.


In regards to zip drives, I actually used them quite a bit ~5 years ago. There's a crap load of 100mb zip drives floating around my house somewhere. I think I'll pass on the little temperature display thing, although it would be cool - this will be hidden next to my desk all the time. I suppose maybe I'll just slap another hard drive in there.

The drive bay is the right width, but there's a metal plate across the rear of the bay that will have to be removed for a HDD. I'm running a third drive on that connector right now.

SmurfBoxMasta
Oct 21, 2008, 05:56 PM
A) Yup, video & sata cards have to have Mac firmware to work.The video card will only really help with gui effects & a bit of the movie stuff, but the sata will really sppeed up I/O data movement and app loading. I have been happily using a SIIG 4 port card in all of my macs for several years now neveranottaproblemo :p

B) Ram: has to be low-density type, with chips on both sides of the module, otherwise no workie in your machine

C) for your uses, a dual 500 would be an excellent and much more affordable upgrade, and would add a considerable sppeeed boost to your machine.


D) flashing a video card requires: 1) a flashable card 2) the correct ROM files 3) a well-running windblows machine (if such a thing exists) 4) alot of patience & determination

SmurfBoxMasta
Oct 22, 2008, 06:20 PM
dds, yHpM :p

ddeadserious
Oct 23, 2008, 12:14 AM
I just found that this thing has an M-Audio 1010LT PCI card in it. Does this mean this is the "Digital Audio" model of the PMG4?

edit: The Wiki site on Powermac G4's says that the slowest processor that came in the "Digital Audio" ones was 466mHz. Under System Profiler, for Machine Name, it says Power Mac G4 (AGP Graphics), and for Machine Model, it says PowerMac3,1.

So I suppose this means that the M-Audio card was added by a user? These seem to be going for a pretty penny on eBay, and it looks just like the M-Audio 1010LT that's being sold currently....

SmurfBoxMasta
Oct 23, 2008, 05:18 AM
yep, mAudio is an aftermarket supplier, so that card was added in.....

the DA model you speak of had onboard sound just like all other macs, but also had a digital amplifier designed to drive USB-powered speakers.......

OrangeSVTguy
Oct 23, 2008, 08:03 AM
Yeah that card does go for quite a bit. Does it have the cables for it? You can just sell that sucker on ebay to pay for the costs of the processor upgrade, memory, and dvd burner you want.

You got a really good deal on that Mac from Craigslist. That M-Audio card is alone is worth what you paid for the entire setup. :D

ddeadserious
Oct 23, 2008, 10:25 AM
yep, mAudio is an aftermarket supplier, so that card was added in.....

the DA model you speak of had onboard sound just like all other macs, but also had a digital amplifier designed to drive USB-powered speakers.......
Ahh I see, thanks.

Yeah that card does go for quite a bit. Does it have the cables for it? You can just sell that sucker on ebay to pay for the costs of the processor upgrade, memory, and dvd burner you want.

You got a really good deal on that Mac from Craigslist. That M-Audio card is alone is worth what you paid for the entire setup. :D

Unfortunately, I don't have the cables for it. I put it up on Craigslist for $150 and had someone respond this morning. Hopefully they'll buy it, and then I will have made profit on this computer:eek:(at least until I buy an LCD for it). I wish I could put all the money toward computer upgrades, but that 21CRT is too big for my desk!

I'm gonna leave it on craigslist for another day or two and if it doesn't sell, then I'll throw it on eBay.

Are these cards platform specific, or will this one work on a Winblows machine, etc?

ddeadserious
Oct 23, 2008, 10:44 PM
bueller?

ddeadserious
Oct 24, 2008, 10:09 PM
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v25/trialbyashes/100_3545.jpg

So I sold the 21" CRT to my boss(photography studio) for $50. I then went to Best Buy, and bought a 19" Westinghouse LCD, as seen above for less than $200. I had a hard time finding a 19" that had a better than 1440x900 resolution, but this one has a 1680x1050 resolution. :D It also has the option for 1920x1080, but I like to actually be able to see what I'm doing.

I've got the M-Audio card up on eBay, which will get me enough money to buy a dual 450 or 500mhz processor card, if it sells. I've also got my iMac G3 for sale as well. So I have this thing all upgraded before too long!

Thanks for the help guys.

Once I'm running dual processors, it'll be at least 900mHz combined if I get the 450mhz one, would Leopard be okay or would you recommend against it?

ddeadserious
Oct 27, 2008, 03:13 PM
Just installed Leopard on it using LeopardAssist. It runs unbearably slow(although, spotlight is currently indexing) right now. Fortunately, I partitioned my bigger drive, and installed Leopard on a separate partition, so I'll be running Tiger until I get that processor card.

I just won an auction on eBay for a dual 500mHz processor card, so that should speed it up quite a bit.

And depending on how much that M-Audio card sells for, I may be able to bump the ram up the rest of the way and upgrade the video card.

The SATA card is in the more distant future, although not too far away.

DoFoT9
Oct 27, 2008, 04:50 PM
just remember that spotlight will kill that computer, give it some time and it will start to perform better.

ddeadserious
Oct 27, 2008, 09:26 PM
just remember that spotlight will kill that computer, give it some time and it will start to perform better.

Yeah, it did get better after Spotlight finished indexing. But it's still pretty darn slow. I'm going to stay in Tiger until I get that dual processor in here. I'm happy that I put Leopard on a separate partition rather than upgrading it from my Tiger boot disk.

ddeadserious
Oct 30, 2008, 09:34 AM
I'm thinking about picking up this video card, any objections?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&item=250311965338

SmurfBoxMasta
Oct 30, 2008, 08:24 PM
I'm thinking about picking up this video card, any objections?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&item=250311965338



no objections..... as long as you understand that your getting a FLASHED, bottom-of-the-barrel peecee card (ie "modified" in the listing) :p

Earl Urly
Oct 31, 2008, 09:44 AM
The Radeon 7000 AGP is definitely the bare minimum video card you can buy; you'd be better off getting an nVidia FX 5200/5500 and flashing it yourself to Mac, then at least you'd get Core Image / OpenGL acceleration in Tiger/Leopard.

Bought an FX 5500 (it's just an upclocked 5200) flashed it and put it in a dual 500 MHz G4, it actually runs pretty good with OS X 10.5. It's like the OS the machine should have had seven years ago. Leopard wrings every bit of speed possible from those twin babies. It's not going to play DOOM 3 but it makes a great 'general purpose' machine.

OrangeSVTguy
Oct 31, 2008, 11:31 AM
Yeah if you're going to get a PC flashed card, you might as well buy a 9800 pro for the same price and flash it yourself. It's really the best card that you can buy for the G4s. Either the 128mb or the 256mb versions but they are basically the same card.

ddeadserious
Oct 31, 2008, 11:32 AM
Ended up winning a geforce4 64mb card out of a MDDg4 off ebay for $20. If it ends up sucking, I'll just sell and I'm not out much money.

ddeadserious
Nov 3, 2008, 05:10 PM
I received my new video card and the dual 500mhz processor unit today. Will be installing later on this evening.

I also put a Lite-On DVD burner I had lying around inside and it works with no problem, burnt a DVD first shot with no errors.:D

SATA card and drives are next!

ddeadserious
Nov 3, 2008, 10:39 PM
So.. http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?p=6552466&posted=1#post6552466

My machine is not compatible with a dual chip. Super bummed.

Guess I'll hope to sell the dual card and hopefully pick up a decent speed single processor.

ddeadserious
Nov 12, 2008, 12:05 PM
So I ordered a new motherboard that was pulled from a dual processor system to accommodate my dual processor since my motherboard wasn't compatible.

Got one for like $20 shipped off eBay.

Removed everything, installed the new MB and put everything back on except the power supply plug into the MB. Then I find that it doesn't fit.:mad:

The motherboard side of the plug is a 22-pin plug, whereas on my single processor MB and the accompanying power supply, it's a 20-pin plug.

Guess I'll be buying a new power supply.

A standard ATX power supply wouldn't work would it?

I also got a 250GB SATA drive, so after this power supply junk, I will be picking up a SATA card, and then probably a 1TB drive down the road and this will officially be done(unless I feel like picking up a fast sonnett dual processor unit:D)

Earl Urly
Nov 12, 2008, 01:33 PM
A standard ATX power supply wouldn't work would it?


Hell no but look here

http://www.outofspec.com/frankenmac/wire.shtml

ddeadserious
Nov 14, 2008, 06:23 PM
Thank you very much. I went a picked up a $25 18-24V AC power supply, then bought a little thing to convert it to DC. Just did a temporary thing to put it into the 2 empty pins to see if it'd work, and it ran just fine, I rebooted it twice(once into tiger, then leopard, then back to tiger). Everything seems to be great.

The difference between the single 450 CPU to dual 500 is amazing, it actually runs Leopard decently now. In addition to the processor upgrade, the video upgrade I'm sure also helped with leopard performance.

It seems the motherboard is from a Gigabit Ethernet or Digital Audio, so either way, it was an excellent upgrade.

One question though, my power button no longer illuminates. It functions and stuff, just doesn't light up or "snore". Any ideas?

OrangeSVTguy
Nov 16, 2008, 10:48 PM
If you still need any parts for the dual G4. There's someone parting out a dual 450 GE. He has all the parts like PSU, MLB, and Processor. He's in the marketplace, I don't know if you meet the minimum requirements to view it? Here's the link to it if you can, http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=600922.

sprale
Nov 17, 2008, 11:13 AM
Just picked up a Powermac G4 from Craigslist...

I'm in the same boat. I have a donated 450 G4, 2Gb memory, upgraded DVD-RW drive... I would love to have the 1.8 proc, but would more likely just buy a used dual 2.3 G5 and use the G4 with a OS X Server. A pair of big external Firewire drives in software RAID1 for file services and maybe my HP Laserjets on print services. I can't imagine putting that much money into older hardware when late model Macs are getting so affordable.

ddeadserious
Nov 17, 2008, 11:31 AM
If you still need any parts for the dual G4. There's someone parting out a dual 450 GE. He has all the parts like PSU, MLB, and Processor. He's in the marketplace, I don't know if you meet the minimum requirements to view it? Here's the link to it if you can, http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=600922.

Thank you, but I don't have access to the marketplace quite yet, almost there. If you wouldn't mind giving me his name, I'd like to PM him about the power supply to see how much he wants.

thanks!
I'm in the same boat. I have a donated 450 G4, 2Gb memory, upgraded DVD-RW drive... I would love to have the 1.8 proc, but would more likely just buy a used dual 2.3 G5 and use the G4 with a OS X Server. A pair of big external Firewire drives in software RAID1 for file services and maybe my HP Laserjets on print services. I can't imagine putting that much money into older hardware when late model Macs are getting so affordable.

Yeah, I've come to the realization that this machine isn't going to be used all that often. It just sits by my desk making noise while I use my Macbook Pro as a desktop with my monitor. I do keep my 500GB FreeAgent FW drive hooked up to it to store my movies and software - I should install OS X server on it.

I haven't put too much money into this so far though - I just sold the ATI Rage 128 on eBay for $10, which is pretty much what I paid for my new video card + shipping. Everything has nearly paid for itself with this except for the monitor, which I don't hardly use with the PowerMac anymore.

ddeadserious
Nov 26, 2008, 01:12 PM
Again, no, any PCI controller card for a G4 Mac has to have Open Firmware compatibility to run reliably, especially if you want to boot off the SATA drive. That's also why they're pricey since the G4 hardware market is much smaller than the (cough) PC hardware market.

If you want something cheaper:

http://www.wiebetech.com/products/pci.php

The TCS2-0 only costs $40..

Darnit. Just went to buy this card and it's been discontinued.:mad:

Earl Urly
Nov 26, 2008, 01:31 PM
Darnit. Just went to buy this card and it's been discontinued.:mad:

Well, if you don't mind going up to $64...

http://eshop.macsales.com/item/Firmtek/FTST1S2/

Also a great card, never had a problem with it and they issue firmware updates for major OS releases.

SmurfBoxMasta
Nov 26, 2008, 06:57 PM
Well, if you don't mind going up to $64...

http://eshop.macsales.com/item/Firmtek/FTST1S2/

Also a great card, never had a problem with it and they issue firmware updates for major OS releases.

I had one of those before I got my 4port SIIG card from OWC.....neveranottaproblemo!

But I got mine used for $20 several years ago.....hard to believe they still go for $64 new.... :(

RGunner
Nov 26, 2008, 07:27 PM
read through your entire thread, and am clearing out some older G4 parts:

Firmtek 1VE4 (4 port external SATA controller) x 2 - can easily reroute to internal or external drives

Firmtek 1SE2 (2 port external) x 2 - same as above

ATTO UL3S also have 2 of these

Flashed ATI 9800 128MB card works great, no need for

DA Logic Board
DA PSU
QS Case - missing front
QS G4 800 daughtercard with 4 pin molex (to run in G4 DA or??)

Some Memory

:) lots of goodies, just using the iMac in sig now and dont need these parts.

Semiopaque
Nov 27, 2008, 12:22 AM
Darnit. Just went to buy this card and it's been discontinued.:mad:

Does this mean you aren't putting a Hackintosh in your case? Decided today to spend the $ and just get an upgrade Sonnet Duet 1.8 for my Sawtooth and a 9800 Pro. Totally not worth the money, could have built a C2D for cheaper, but something about a 10 year old computer that works well just has some appeal to me and I just don't have the time at the moment go through that process.

Luftwaffles
Nov 27, 2008, 12:31 AM
The processor linked in the first post was the exact same model that I tried to install in a PowerMac G4 Sawtooth, originally 450Mhz.

Installing the firmware/drivers was a royal PITA, and the system was only stable for about five minutes following a boot-up.

Plus, the processor is 1.6Ghz while the bus on the Sawtooth runs anywhere from 100-133Mhz. Ignore the fact that SDRAM and ATA are already both slower than molasses in January, and that bus can become quite a bottleneck. It was the worst and most ineffective upgrade I've done to date.

There's no advantage to having a bigger bucket when you're trying to fill it with a drinking straw.

ddeadserious
Nov 27, 2008, 02:57 AM
Well, if you don't mind going up to $64...

http://eshop.macsales.com/item/Firmtek/FTST1S2/

Also a great card, never had a problem with it and they issue firmware updates for major OS releases.

I'm bidding on a Sonnet E4i 4-port SATA card on eBay right now, hopefully I'll win that, otherwise, this is my next shot. Thanks.

I had one of those before I got my 4port SIIG card from OWC.....neveranottaproblemo!

But I got mine used for $20 several years ago.....hard to believe they still go for $64 new.... :(

I wish I could find one for $20...

read through your entire thread, and am clearing out some older G4 parts:

Firmtek 1VE4 (4 port external SATA controller) x 2 - can easily reroute to internal or external drives

Firmtek 1SE2 (2 port external) x 2 - same as above

ATTO UL3S also have 2 of these

Flashed ATI 9800 128MB card works great, no need for

DA Logic Board
DA PSU
QS Case - missing front
QS G4 800 daughtercard with 4 pin molex (to run in G4 DA or??)

Some Memory

:) lots of goodies, just using the iMac in sig now and dont need these parts.

I will be PMing you before too long, interested in some stuff, thanks!

Does this mean you aren't putting a Hackintosh in your case? Decided today to spend the $ and just get an upgrade Sonnet Duet 1.8 for my Sawtooth and a 9800 Pro. Totally not worth the money, could have built a C2D for cheaper, but something about a 10 year old computer that works well just has some appeal to me and I just don't have the time at the moment go through that process.
I haven't decided yet. I'll see if I enjoy using it enough after I upgrade to the SATA drives, and if not, then I may just sell it. I'd just like to have a tower that's more powerful than my notebook, ya know. Not sure what I'm doing, basically.

Running an "ancient" machine is sweet though, it just has a strange effect on people when you tell them you still use it.

The processor linked in the first post was the exact same model that I tried to install in a PowerMac G4 Sawtooth, originally 450Mhz.

Installing the firmware/drivers was a royal PITA, and the system was only stable for about five minutes following a boot-up.

Plus, the processor is 1.6Ghz while the bus on the Sawtooth runs anywhere from 100-133Mhz. Ignore the fact that SDRAM and ATA are already both slower than molasses in January, and that bus can become quite a bottleneck. It was the worst and most ineffective upgrade I've done to date.

There's no advantage to having a bigger bucket when you're trying to fill it with a drinking straw.
Thank you for the input, I won't be upgrading the processor any further. Any seriously large upgrades from here on out(other than the SATA card and a 1TB drive) will involve a new machine, just not worth any more money to do upgrading. Especially now, hearing that it's not plug and play. Sounds like it's just not worth it. Thank you.

Semiopaque
Dec 2, 2008, 09:09 PM
Added the Sonnet dual 1.8 to my Sawtooth today. Installed pretty much without a hitch. A huge speed increase from the 450 MHz that was in there, however, the bus speed is definitely an obvious bottleneck in certain cases.

Still using the original HDD and that's also bottlenecking in some situations. Not sure I'm going to upgrade much more since adding too much more will really tax the PSU, can probably barely handle what it has now.

I also added a flashed ATI 9800 Pro. Worked great for about an hour, then a piece came off inside the fan and really messed it up so I put the old card back in for now. Hopefully I can get a replacement from the guy who sold it to me.

Geekbenched it for kicks and it comes in at 1315 under Leopard. Not too horrible, though I think some of the Macbook Airs come in better LOL. I think it was at 350ish under the 450MHz in Tiger.

Graphics wise, if I can get the 9800 Pro in there should be doing alright for what it will be used for (CS3 training machine, web browsing, streaming video, maybe some other Apple specific software learning like FCE etc), though it's probably not critical Leopard would be a bit nicer with it.

Cheaper, more useful upgrades for me on this might be quieter fans/cooling system. These old G4s were loud to begin with and it is more so now, though I must admit it has more of a consistent rushing air sound from the processor fans. Gotta replace that case fan I think.

Gonna sell my Mac Pro, I think, so this will be my only Mac desktop for awhile.

Anyhow, will try to update later.

Current Junk Inside G4 Sawtooth:

Sonnet Encore Duet 2x1.8 GHz
4x512MB PC100 RAM
Sonnet USB 2.0 PCI card
ATI Radeon 9800 Pro 128MB (assuming I get that working again)
Original DVD ROM whatever that was
Original 40GB HDD whatever that was think it is a slow WD
Original SCSI card (will probably remove for airflow purposes)
Original Zip Drive (may remove and replace with a HDD front fan)