F@H Widget needs testing

[pgwalsh]

F@H Wudget widget delivers your Folding@Home user, team and client information to dashboard. The widget provides statistics from Extreme Overclocking and Fodling@Home's Websites. The widget also provides local machine work unit (wu) information using qdtools and other tools.

New Release 1.5.2
Updated to show more stats for Core_a3 which includes bonus points. I highly recommend you update your folding client to 6.29.3 and if you're running a laptop, in the Extra Parameters fields, add -advmethods flag or it may not work. In addition to take advantage of those points we notify users whether their passkey is set or not, so if you don't have one, you may want to go get one or you wont get bonus points.

What's new or changed.

* Added Bonus Points, Bonus Factor, kFactor, bonus averages and whether passkey is set.
* User Name, Team Name, and Project are clickable web links to specific pages at Folding@home.
* Enhanced Project name for core2 and core3 projects that only contain P####. They will check once on the Folding@home server for a more descriptive project name.
* Automatically removes and scales certain fields from Additional Information. Will reappear if info becomes available.
* Automatically removes user info if not available on Extreme Overclocking. Will reappear if info becomes available.
* Automatically removes adjacent teammates if not present on Folding@home Fast Team pages. Will reappear if info becomes available.
* Moved Unit Number and Size to Additional Information, but will show up next to Points if there's no bonus information.
* Changed message "wating for core..." under prefer/pref dates to n.a. because of core a3 issue with MacBooks and MacBook Pro's.
* Aesthetic changes to margins, font, font colors and shank the widget just slightly.
* Smoothed out animations and increased speed of drop down boxes.
* Fixed issue where Growler didn't reload after restart or log-in.
* Fixed console error message that didn't affect the client.
* Should see performance improvement, reduction of resources, and overall solidity.

You can download a local only client from here: http://sites.google.com/site/pgwalsh/f-h-wudget
http://sites.google.com/site/pgwalsh/f-h-wudget/fah_wudget_blue.png
I'll post it on Apple.com and MacUpdate soon.

[/dev/toaster]

Oh sweet! This is far nicer looking then the current one I am using. I will install it on my Mac Pro tonight :D

[iShater]

That looks quite nice indeed. OSX version?

[pgwalsh]

That looks quite nice indeed. OSX version?
I believe it's 10.4.1 compatible, though that's just via dashcode. I only have 10.5 installed on a Mac Pro and MacBook.

[twoodcc]

this looks very nice. i wouldn't mind trying it out for you

[SciFrog]

I would try it too, please email!

An idea: could you support people who have contributed to multiple teams also? FAH provides these stats also...

[pgwalsh]

I would try it too, please email!

An idea: could you support people who have contributed to multiple teams also? FAH provides these stats also...
I'd prefer if you'd email me through the forum's and then I can email you the widget. :cool:

The widget can provide for multiple teams, but you need to create an instance for each widget. The information comes directly from the Folding@home website, not from a third party.

I'll email you the new beta as soon as I'm finished, which will be tonight or tomorrow. /dev/toaster has been very helpful in the initial tests.

[twoodcc]

I'd prefer if you'd email me through the forum's and then I can email you the widget. :cool:

The widget can provide for multiple teams, but you need to create an instance for each widget. The information comes directly from the Folding@home website, not from a third party.

I'll email you the new beta as soon as I'm finished, which will be tonight or tomorrow. /dev/toaster has been very helpful in the initial tests.

i sent you an email, if you still need more feedback

[SciFrog]

I'd prefer if you'd email me through the forum's and then I can email you the widget. :cool:

The widget can provide for multiple teams, but you need to create an instance for each widget. The information comes directly from the Folding@home website, not from a third party.

I'll email you the new beta as soon as I'm finished, which will be tonight or tomorrow. /dev/toaster has been very helpful in the initial tests.

I meant even crunching for only one team thus using one widget, can you also show the user total WU/rank combining all the team, numbers provided by the FAH stat in the same place you check the stat for just one team.
Check my FAH individual stat page on FAH to see what I mean (user SciFrog).

Check your PM for email...

[pgwalsh]

I meant even crunching for only one team thus using one widget, can you also show the user total WU/rank combining all the team, numbers provided by the FAH stat in the same place you check the stat for just one team.
Check my FAH individual stat page on FAH to see what I mean (user SciFrog).

Check your PM for email...
It shows WU total for all teams at the top of the widget from the page of a user and you don't have to provide a team number. Total WU is all work units for a user. Work Units is the total for a user and a particular team. It's all the same information from the stats page without going to the site. The Rank in Team is from the fast user page and therefore is a bit behind, but that is the only page that supports every user from a team.

I hope I answered your question.

[twoodcc]

i sent you an email, if you still need more feedback

well i never received a response. i guess you don't need more feedback

[pgwalsh]

well i never received a response. i guess you don't need more feedback
I responded shortly after you sent it. I'll send another.

[twoodcc]

I responded shortly after you sent it. I'll send another.

i got it, thanks. i am not on my folding machine right now, but running it to just get my stats, it runs great.

[pgwalsh]

Okay.. after some very helpful beta testing by /dev/toaster, twoodcc and SciFrog the widget is ready.

You can find it here: Apple.com (http://www.apple.com/downloads/dashboard/status/fhwudget.html)


The new look:

[twoodcc]

great job with the widget!

[pgwalsh]

great job with the widget!

Thanks... the release version is slightly different than the last beta I sent you, so if you want some very minor improvements.

[iShater]

I haven't had a chance to test this. I currently use Increase to get the work. Does the widget also use up all cpu for max output? or is that a "feature" of the SMP cores?

[pgwalsh]

I haven't had a chance to test this. I currently use Increase to get the work. Does the widget also use up all cpu for max output? or is that a "feature" of the SMP cores?
I'm not completely following you, but increase should be fine for maximizing your work unit output. This widget is for display your statistics through dashboard. I have no idea if increase does this or not as I've never used it.

[iShater]

I'm not completely following you, but increase should be fine for maximizing your work unit output. This widget is for display your statistics through dashboard. I have no idea if increase does this or not as I've never used it.

hehehehe, never mind, I should have refreshed my memory by reading the original posts again. :o

[pgwalsh]

There's an update with better support for G4 Macs running client 5.02.

http://sites.google.com/site/pgwalsh/f-h-wudget/F%40HWUdget.zip

It hasn't been update on apples site yet, but should be in the next few days.

[azdude]

Doesn't seem to work for me on my Mac Pro running two clients simultaneously (Prefpane and console-only).

[pgwalsh]

Doesn't seem to work for me on my Mac Pro running two clients simultaneously (Prefpane and console-only).

That's not very descriptive, so it'll be hard to fix. If you could provide a little detail that would be helpful. For example: which folding version of the clients are you using? Are they 6.02 or 5.02 or the new beta? There's a link on the bottom of the back where you can email me directly. Without more specifics, it would be hard to to fix.

[pgwalsh]

Update F@H WUdget. Has several new features. Info on thread 1. (http://forums.macrumors.com/showpost.php?p=6478498&postcount=1)

[lyzardking]

No info on me or team (yes my info is on the "back"), has info on work unit, averages & add info.

Let me know if you additional info

[pgwalsh]

No info on me or team (yes my info is on the "back"), has info on work unit, averages & add info.

Let me know if you additional info

Are you just getting the local computer info information? How long have you been running the widget?

Folding at home's website statistics go down for about an hour every three hours. So if it doesn't update give it some time. You'll see that there's a retry timer that set for 5 minutes and the regular time is 90 minutes.

[SciFrog]

The widget works perfectly here on four computers...

[pgwalsh]

The widget works perfectly here on four computers...

Cool! 4 Macs, I'm jealous. :)

Are any of those computers running PPC?

Do you use the Adjacent Teammates section?

[lyzardking]

Are you just getting the local computer info information? How long have you been running the widget?

Yes, local info only

Folding at home's website statistics go down for about an hour every three hours. So if it doesn't update give it some time. You'll see that there's a retry timer that set for 5 minutes and the regular time is 90 minutes.

Ran all night, local info only.

Does it look for a link locally (for FaH's info)?

[pgwalsh]

Yes, local info only



Ran all night, local info only.

Does it look for a link locally (for FaH's info)?

It gets your user name and team number from the folding@home client. You can verify that it has the correct user name and team number on the back and change it if necessary. If it is correct and it continues to fail you may want to check your firewall or if you have little snitch, you may want to check that.

The actual address it uses is the same for all clients. The only difference is the user name and team number. If the above fails you may want to remove it completely and open a new one to see if that fixes the problem.

Also if you PM me your user name and team number I can check here to see if there are any issues.

[pgwalsh]

Yes, local info only



Ran all night, local info only.

Does it look for a link locally (for FaH's info)?

lyzardking... I found a bug in the widget with certain user names that have unusual characters in them. If this is the case with you, let me know. I believe I have fixed the error, but I want to be sure.

by unusual characters I mean charaters like . / _ etc. I found one script that didn't escape them properly. I have an update if you're interested otherwise you can wait for 1.0.1 when I upload it.

Here's a link to the bug fix: http://sites.google.com/site/pgwalsh/f-h-wudget

[lyzardking]

lyzardking... I found a bug in the widget with certain user names that have unusual characters in them. If this is the case with you, let me know. I believe I have fixed the error, but I want to be sure.

by unusual characters I mean charaters like . / _ etc. I found one script that didn't escape them properly. I have an update if you're interested otherwise you can wait for 1.0.1 when I upload it.

Here's a link to the bug fix: http://sites.google.com/site/pgwalsh/f-h-wudget

This one works (at least at work), I'll try it out tonight at home

thanx :)

Any plans for showing more than one work unit?

[pgwalsh]

This one works (at least at work), I'll try it out tonight at home

thanx :)

Any plans for showing more than one work unit?

What do you mean by more than one work unit? Do you have multiple folding clients running on one machine?

If you have multiple folding clients on one machine then, no. I originally supported this, but was asked discourage from doing so by Folding@home. They didn't wan that with the new SMP clients.

I do have written code for it and could put it back in, but it requires you two open more than one instance of the widget.

[lyzardking]

What do you mean by more than one work unit? Do you have multiple folding clients running on one machine?

If you have multiple folding clients on one machine then, no. I originally supported this, but was asked discourage from doing so by Folding@home. They didn't wan that with the new SMP clients.

I do have written code for it and could put it back in, but it requires you two open more than one instance of the widget.

I have 2 units running at the same time (only on dual quad core machines), I wouldn't try it on anything less.

Anything else that I have currently folding runs one unit (per machine).

No need to give me "special" code, I was just asking.

[pgwalsh]

I have 2 units running at the same time (only on dual quad core machines), I wouldn't try it on anything less.

Anything else that I have currently folding runs one unit (per machine).

No need to give me "special" code, I was just asking.
Cool... The original one has it built in. You just run two instances. Doesn't matter to me personally, but I thought it was cool.

[lyzardking]

Cool... The original one has it built in. You just run two instances. Doesn't matter to me personally, but I thought it was cool.

Works at home too, thanx for the fix :)

[pgwalsh]

Works at home too, thanx for the fix :)

Good to hear :) Thanks for letting instead of removing it.

Cheers!

Peter

[pgwalsh]

I have 2 units running at the same time (only on dual quad core machines), I wouldn't try it on anything less.

Anything else that I have currently folding runs one unit (per machine).

No need to give me "special" code, I was just asking.

I just realized that I left most of the code in, so you could open another instance of the widget and it should display process of your second client. The only thing it wont do properly is monitor if your core is active, stalled or failed. I haven't build that in, but you will see progress etc.

[pgwalsh]

There's a new version.

http://sites.google.com/site/pgwalsh/f-h-wudget

[SciFrog]

Good job.
Now any chance you would switch to Team Mac Rumors ;)

[pgwalsh]

Good job.
Now any chance you would switch to Team Mac Rumors ;)

Thanks!

No chance, but I used to be a MacRumors folder. :p

[pgwalsh]

Ah there's a new version with some added features and bug fixes.

Version 1.1.5:
This version has a few new features and bug fixes.

New Features:

Team Score
Team Work Units

Enhancements:

Commas Added to large numbers
Changed Spacing between +/- & points.
Changed Total Score and WU field positions

Bug Fixes:

Removed a broken and redundant team check. User name and team should not error is properly set.
Now saves preferences for all remote fields
Fixed user rank change amount display


Let me know if you run into any problems. ;)

[SciFrog]

Keeps getting better!

[pgwalsh]

Keeps getting better!

Thanks!

If there are no issues with this version, I probably wont add anything new for a while. But I do have ideas for a future release. Mostly to do with remote computers. Just have to get over some hurdles. ;)

[mc68k]

^ appreciate the work you're doing :)

[pgwalsh]

^ appreciate the work you're doing :)

Thanks!

I appreciate where you live. Was down there for my birthday in September. Stayed in the cottages at the Coronado. I absolutely love SD.

[pgwalsh]

Project Has Changed.
Unfortunately I have to change the project until I can find a third party that will allow me to access their Stats. Vijay Pande has asked me not to access the pages directly and I will obviously comply. I urge you to PLEASE remove your widget until we can find an alternative solution. If you do not remove the widget your IP address may get banned by Folding@HOme.

I apologize for the inconvenience.

*Note: All download have been removed from this site.

You can download a local only client from here: http://sites.google.com/site/pgwalsh/f-h-wudget

I'll post it on Apple.com and MacUpdate soon.

[SciFrog]

Could you give more details? How much load the widget could really generate...

Anyway, on the old version the local info is broken with SMP2 units...

[pgwalsh]

Could you give more details? How much load the widget could really generate...

Anyway, on the old version the local info is broken with SMP2 units...

How old is your version? SMP2 cores are still in testing, but I should have an update that should work with them.

It's not the load they are concerned about, but more accessing cgi pages with a script, even if it just downloads a page and doesn't crawl.

Extreme Overclocking has allowed us to use their stats and I'm working on an update. There will be changes with some new stuff and some things going away.

ETA 1/2 weeks

[SciFrog]

I thought I had the latest version... SMP2 was broken but not on all units. It would be nice to include the bonus calculation in the PPD...

[lordonuthin]

How old is your version? SMP2 cores are still in testing, but I should have an update that should work with them.

It's not the load they are concerned about, but more accessing cgi pages with a script, even if it just downloads a page and doesn't crawl.

Extreme Overclocking has allowed us to use their stats and I'm working on an update. There will be changes with some new stuff and some things going away.

ETA 1/2 weeks

Thank you for doing this, we'll see what you have for us in a few days :D

[SciFrog]

Extreme Overclocking stats are nice, but they only update every 3 hours no?

[pgwalsh]

Thank you for doing this, we'll see what you have for us in a few days :D

Yeah... no problem, I only made it because I wanted something.

There's going to be massive under the hood changes, so it may take a little longer to release and there will be a beta stage that's a accessible on my website. The widget will look and act the same as now, but with changes to several fields. :cool:

[pgwalsh]

New Release 1.5.2
Updated to show more stats for Core_a3 which includes bonus points. I highly recommend you update your folding client to 6.29.3 and if you're running a laptop, in the Extra Parameters fields, add -advmethods flag or it may not work. In addition to take advantage of those points we notify users whether their passkey is set or not, so if you don't have one, you may want to go get one or you wont get bonus points.

What's new or changed.

* Added Bonus Points, Bonus Factor, kFactor, bonus averages and whether passkey is set.
* User Name, Team Name, and Project are clickable web links to specific pages at Folding@home.
* Enhanced Project name for core2 and core3 projects that only contain P####. They will check once on the Folding@home server for a more descriptive project name.
* Automatically removes and scales certain fields from Additional Information. Will reappear if info becomes available.
* Automatically removes user info if not available on Extreme Overclocking. Will reappear if info becomes available.
* Automatically removes adjacent teammates if not present on Folding@home Fast Team pages. Will reappear if info becomes available.
* Moved Unit Number and Size to Additional Information, but will show up next to Points if there's no bonus information.
* Changed message "wating for core..." under prefer/pref dates to n.a. because of core a3 issue with MacBooks and MacBook Pro's.
* Aesthetic changes to margins, font, font colors and shank the widget just slightly.
* Smoothed out animations and increased speed of drop down boxes.
* Fixed issue where Growler didn't reload after restart or log-in.
* Fixed console error message that didn't affect the client.
* Should see performance improvement, reduction of resources, and overall solidity.

You can download a local only client from here: http://sites.google.com/site/pgwalsh/f-h-wudget
http://sites.google.com/site/pgwalsh/f-h-wudget/fah_wudget_blue.png

[lordonuthin]

New Release 1.5.2
Updated to show more stats for Core_a3 which includes bonus points. I highly recommend you update your folding client to 6.29.3 and if you're running a laptop, in the Extra Parameters fields, add -advmethods flag or it may not work. In addition to take advantage of those points we notify users whether their passkey is set or not, so if you don't have one, you may want to go get one or you wont get bonus points.

What's new or changed.

* Added Bonus Points, Bonus Factor, kFactor, bonus averages and whether passkey is set.
* User Name, Team Name, and Project are clickable web links to specific pages at Folding@home.
* Enhanced Project name for core2 and core3 projects that only contain P####. They will check once on the Folding@home server for a more descriptive project name.
* Automatically removes and scales certain fields from Additional Information. Will reappear if info becomes available.
* Automatically removes user info if not available on Extreme Overclocking. Will reappear if info becomes available.
* Automatically removes adjacent teammates if not present on Folding@home Fast Team pages. Will reappear if info becomes available.
* Moved Unit Number and Size to Additional Information, but will show up next to Points if there's no bonus information.
* Changed message "wating for core..." under prefer/pref dates to n.a. because of core a3 issue with MacBooks and MacBook Pro's.
* Aesthetic changes to margins, font, font colors and shank the widget just slightly.
* Smoothed out animations and increased speed of drop down boxes.
* Fixed issue where Growler didn't reload after restart or log-in.
* Fixed console error message that didn't affect the client.
* Should see performance improvement, reduction of resources, and overall solidity.

You can download a local only client from here: http://sites.google.com/site/pgwalsh/f-h-wudget
http://sites.google.com/site/pgwalsh/f-h-wudget/fah_wudget_blue.png

This looks awsome, I can't wait to get it! Thanks! :D

[pgwalsh]

This looks awsome, I can't wait to get it! Thanks! :D

Thanks.... It's kind of insanely long, but that little arrow button on the right allows you to hide everything as it's full of checkboxes. If it's too long for your screen you can spawn two widgets and have on for local info and one for remote info.

[SciFrog]

Looks good, the bonus calculation is nice to have.

Unfortunately my ranking in the team is wrong (says 5 but it is 6) as well as adjacent teammates. Not sure who is missing in the stats. This was also the case with the previous version.

Also lost overall stats when you belonged to multiple teams (because of the stats change right?).

[SciFrog]

The problem with the rank is lyzardking. On FAH own pages he has more points than on the other stat, which throws his position off.

Also the overall rank is different between the stats (1122 vs 1240 ish).

[pgwalsh]

Also lost overall stats when you belonged to multiple teams (because of the stats change right?).
Yes... EOC doesn't use totals in their XML files which they require. That would mean you'd have to enter multiple teams at one time, which the widget doesn't support, but you can always have more than one widget and turn off local stats on one of them.

The problem with the rank is lyzardking. On FAH own pages he has more points than on the other stat, which throws his position off.

Also the overall rank is different between the stats (1122 vs 1240 ish).
The ranks come from the FAST TEAM PAGES, which is the only place I'm allowed to take them from. They lag behind in a big way and do not always match your team rank on a given day.

What's your user name and team? I can double check.

I personally miss knowing how many processor are contributing during the week and past 50 days, but this information isn't included in the files Folding@home gives to third parties. It's unfortunate, but they don't seem interested in including them.

[SciFrog]

Check Team MacRumors, look at lyzardking. There is a difference of over 1 million units for him...

[pgwalsh]

Check Team MacRumors, look at lyzardking. There is a difference of over 1 million units for him...

lyzardking has two rankings I think he's 7th and 16th. So that could be causing a problem. However, the rankings look normal. There's a difference between EOC and folding pages, but that changes constantly. EOC gets stats every 3 hours where Folding@Home now updates on the hour.

It's showing up fine on my computer, so I'm not seeing the issue.
http://lh6.ggpht.com/_VtlTWPaTbY8/S9m3-Nu4ULI/AAAAAAAAAZo/6THdxybhnAk/s800/SciFrog.png

[SciFrog]

He is ranked 4th here
http://folding.extremeoverclocking.com/user_list.php?s=&t=3446

Your widget says in the topmost pane I am ranked 6th of 2281, but in the adjacent teammates pane, I am ranked 5th.

Strange.

Also you used to have the change in units, points from the last time you run the widget in the older versions, that was nice.

[pgwalsh]

He is ranked 4th here
http://folding.extremeoverclocking.com/user_list.php?s=&t=3446

Your widget says in the topmost pane I am ranked 6th of 2281, but in the adjacent teammates pane, I am ranked 5th.

Strange.

Also you used to have the change in units, points from the last time you run the widget in the older versions, that was nice.
That EOC page is accumulating 2 users with the same name. See on this page lyzardkings rankings. http://fah-web.stanford.edu/cgi-bin/main.py?qtype=teampage&teamnum=3446

So I have no control over EOC's system and that seems like an error to me.

As for your rank at 5th and 6th. I'm assuming you moved up in rank within the last day or so. This hasn't been reflected in EOC's xml files. As I said earlier, they don't always match up because they're pulled from different websites. Folding@home has a regular team page and a fast team page. The fast team page isn't updated as regularly as the normal page, but 3rd party utilities like my widget are not allowed to use the normal page. The same is true for EOC. Not much I can do, but your stats will eventually update.

I still have the code to show rank change with arrows. I haven't updated it because so many things changed and now that it shows your points per update, day and week I wasn't sure how necessary it is. I thought about putting it back only for Rank In Team and Overall Rank.

[SciFrog]

It is not an update problem on EOC pages, one page has ONE lyzardking, makes me 6th, the other one has lyzarking 7th and 19th as TWO entities, makes me 5th. Looks like inconsistent interpretation by EOC of the data...

[pgwalsh]

I have a new Beta to F@H WUdget. Added a couple things and fixed a few bugs.

Interested in getting responses from people with Leopard on PPC/Intel.
New:

User defined directories. You can use directory shortcuts ~/Library/Folding@home.
Added ETA to Growl notifications.

Fixes:

Fixed initial search on install that broke with Snow Leopard.
Fixed client error when flipping widget and you don't have a local client.
Fixed some Growl timing issues and errors.
Minor speed improvements.

Know Bugs:

On some PPC systems running Leopard the widget turns white after a period of time.

Link: http://sites.google.com/site/pgwalsh/what-s-new/fhwudget-155f14cbeta

[SciFrog]

Please fix the change of daily average which has the wrong sign. Tks

[pgwalsh]

Please fix the change of daily average which has the wrong sign. Tks

I'm not following... Is this under additional information? The abbreviation for average is avg or perhaps I'm misunderstanding what you're referring to.

[SciFrog]

Team and member weekly average:

when your average moves from 1,000 a day to 1,500 a day, the change field next to it will indicate a down arrown and a red 500 number.
It should be an up arrow and a green number ;)

[pgwalsh]

Team and member weekly average:

when your average moves from 1,000 a day to 1,500 a day, the change field next to it will indicate a down arrown and a red 500 number.
It should be an up arrow and a green number ;)

Thanks for the catch. I've been looking at it for months and never noticed. :eek:

[pgwalsh]

Team and member weekly average:

when your average moves from 1,000 a day to 1,500 a day, the change field next to it will indicate a down arrown and a red 500 number.
It should be an up arrow and a green number ;)

Just to clarify that in the field: Points 24 Hour Avg?

[SciFrog]

Yes

[pgwalsh]

Yes

I don't see any issue. It's just taking the difference from your previous 3 hour update and letting you know wether the amount of points went up or down in that time period. I probably shouldn't have any arrows or numbers there, because it doesn't really mean anything. It would probably be better if I compared it to exactly 24 hours prior. That wouldn't work since not everyone updates their widget every 3 hours and therefore we would have missing numbers.

[SciFrog]

Read my posts above, it is just the sign that is wrong, if you average went up, you indicate a down red number with a down arrow. It should be green with an up arrow...

[SciFrog]

Looks like you just decided to get rid of the average change then... Radical but effective :rolleyes:

[pgwalsh]

Looks like you just decided to get rid of the average change then... Radical but effective :rolleyes:

Well it only showed the change from the previous update not from 24 hours prior and this caused confusion for some people. I certainly wouldn't call it radical.

[SciFrog]

Oh well, I didn't find it confusing...

Anyway, the new 6900 units don't have PPD calculations for some reason. Which leads me to mention something about these anyway: the bonus points (for all SMP) did not seem to be calculated using the estimated finish time of a units.
It seemed the the overall PPD calculated would go up to reach the max near completion of the unit, so not really useful.
What would be better would be estimated PPD using the estimated time of completion.

And the panacea of course would be remote monitor of all the computers folding on your network :cool:

[pgwalsh]

Oh well, I didn't find it confusing...

Anyway, the new 6900 units don't have PPD calculations for some reason. Which leads me to mention something about these anyway: the bonus points (for all SMP) did not seem to be calculated using the estimated finish time of a units.
It seemed the the overall PPD calculated would go up to reach the max near completion of the unit, so not really useful.
What would be better would be estimated PPD using the estimated time of completion.

And the panacea of course would be remote monitor of all the computers folding on your network :cool:
Newer work units are added over time. The averages are not pulled from folding@home, it's part of qdtools. F@H WUdget 1.5.5 has the latest version of qdtools for OS X available. When it's updated the widget will be updated accordingly.

I'm not sure I follow you on PPD estimation issue.

In order for me to gather something from other computers I'd have to write a separate application or a helper application. Dashboard has limitations built in that prohibit this functionality. I'm not able to establish a network connection and issue commands or login with ssh etc. I have thought about adding the functionality, but I don't currently have the time to figure out the best way to do it. If I do decide to do it, it'll only work for OS X and Linux machines. I wouldn't get your hopes up at this time. :p

[SciFrog]

For the PPD, just look at the PPD the widget gives for the current unit as an estimate. It is wrong for SMP units because of the bonus points.

[pgwalsh]

For the PPD, just look at the PPD the widget gives for the current unit as an estimate. It is wrong for SMP units because of the bonus points.Under Additional Info? If so, there's a bonus average as well.

[SciFrog]

The bonus average is the one that has wrong numbers.
When you start the unit, the bonus is very small, then increases towards completion of the unit.

Intuitively, you would think that bonus number uses the estimated time to complete the unit and calculate what the bonus would be. But it is not the case.

Also looks like Folding is now updating stats every hour now, like the good old days. I don't think OC is gone to hourly updates yet though.

[pgwalsh]

The bonus average is the one that has wrong numbers.
When you start the unit, the bonus is very small, then increases towards completion of the unit.

Intuitively, you would think that bonus number uses the estimated time to complete the unit and calculate what the bonus would be. But it is not the case.

Also looks like Folding is now updating stats every hour now, like the good old days. I don't think OC is gone to hourly updates yet though.

Okay... The formula for calculating the bonus is rather complicated and you're welcome to read up on it in the folding forums. Most clients, like FahMon and others all use the same formula. My bonus shrinks over time and it's meant to change. I didn't create the formula and I'm not going to change it.

The updates are not done every hour they're done by 3 hour intervals, but not every 3 hours. EOC has updates at specific times and the widget updates at those times. So if your widget updates at 9:30 and the next update is scheduled at 10, then your widget will update again at 10. It wont be right on the button, but within a random time of 20 minutes after the hour. SO it can be as little as 20 minutes until your next update or great as 3 hours and 20 minutes.

[SciFrog]

Tks for all the good work.

Maybe you don't need to change the bonus formula, but you need to change the inputs? The time input should be using the estimated time to completion.

As for EOC updates, they keep the 3 hours intervals, but don't they update every hour again as Folding stats now do (this was the old behavior prior the stats meltdown)?

[pgwalsh]

Tks for all the good work.

Maybe you don't need to change the bonus formula, but you need to change the inputs? The time input should be using the estimated time to completion.

As for EOC updates, they keep the 3 hours intervals, but don't they update every hour again as Folding stats now do (this was the old behavior prior the stats meltdown)?

I spoke with EOC and they only update their stats every 3 hours while Folding@home is now done on an hourly basis. They said they had no intentions on changing their update intervals.

I don't provide the inputs for the bonus. It's all done by qdtools and I don't have access to the source. The ETA date is fairly generic and takes averages each time the log files are updated. It can be off as with anything else pending processor usage by other applications.

What is the point difference you're seeing on average? Are you just folding with 1 client and is what you're seeing as a bonus on the widget not reflected on your updates? I had that problem for a while, but folding@home wasn't updating my bonuses with my completed units on a timely manner. I didn't see a bonus for a about a month and then I jumped a huge amount of pionts in 1 day. I have no idea what caused it. Folding@home also said they're working on the SMP client to iron out some point issues for OS X clients. I haven't checked on the progress recently, but there were a few minor issues with some units.

[SciFrog]

Maybe I wasn't clear, in the widget, under Additional info, there is a bonus PPD field. That number is usually wrong (too low) unless the unit is almost finished.

No problem whatsoever with the stats themselves.

[pgwalsh]

Maybe I wasn't clear, in the widget, under Additional info, there is a bonus PPD field. That number is usually wrong (too low) unless the unit is almost finished.

No problem whatsoever with the stats themselves.
It does look off, but there's not much I can do about it since it too is from qdtools. I believe it looks at more than just your current unit. I think it looks at your last 8 units.

[pgwalsh]

Maybe I wasn't clear, in the widget, under Additional info, there is a bonus PPD field. That number is usually wrong (too low) unless the unit is almost finished.

No problem whatsoever with the stats themselves.

How quickly are your units being finished and how many machines? My 24 hour average from EOC is around 5K and my local unit is around 2K a day. I have 5 or 6 machines folding, so they shouldn't match, but it seems about right. The 24 hour average includes all points.

[SciFrog]

How quickly are your units being finished and how many machines? My 24 hour average from EOC is around 5K and my local unit is around 2K a day. I have 5 or 6 machines folding, so they shouldn't match, but it seems about right. The 24 hour average includes all points.

No problems with these pieces...

[pgwalsh]

The widget has been updated for Client 7 Beta. It only works with Client 7 and not the previous clients. Client 7 will eventually have a console only mode, so this will be one method of monitoring it.

http://sites.google.com/site/pgwalsh/beta


Cheers!

Peter

[techfreak85]

Awesome, Thanks! But you should fold for us, not Team Mac OS X.:p

[pgwalsh]

Awesome, Thanks! But you should fold for us, not Team Mac OS X.:p

I use to a long time ago. ;) I'm more of an OS X guy.

[techfreak85]

I'm more of an OS X guy.

Aren't we all?:D

[pgwalsh]

Aren't we all?:D

Maybe... The true believers fold for Team MacOSX. :p

I've taken the red pill. :D