Paragon MacBrowser Public Beta Testing (HFS for Windows)

[Anatoly]

Dear Forum Visitors,

For the past year Paragon (www.paragon-software.com) has been working on new software - Paragon MacBrowser. Paragon MacBrowser is a driver allowing to access HFS (HFS+) file systems under Windows.

The product is almost ready for market release and we want to offer you the Public Beta version. This is the first time that we've offered beta testing for this driver. We do it because we want to make Paragon MacBrowser a useful tool for every dual-boot user -- that is why we need your opinion about it.

What we expect from you:
1. Bug reports (though we hope that there won't be many). If you find a bug, describe with details how it can be reproduced by our developers. We need every detail, every step (even if it seems minor).

2. Usability issues. We want to make the product as easy to use as possible. Write us with your suggestions on what you think we can improve upon or what should be changed. Make your suggestions both detailed and reasonable so we can understand what your concerns are as well as determine if possible to implement.

To download the public beta version, please fill out a short web form here (http://www.paragon-software.com/home/ntfs-mac/betatesting.html).

Meantime you can look at our short Product Description (http://www.paragon-software.com/docs/MacBrowser_Product_Description.doc). There is not much text.

Know Issues:
1. You can not "drag'n'drop" files from HFS partitions. To copy a file/folder you have to use the "copy and paste" function;
2. Apple Partition Map is not supported.

Our commitment to you: We will read your feedback in this thread very carefully. Please excuse (in advance) any perceived lack of replies to your posts. We won't be able to reply to all of them, but we will do "summary" replies once or twice a week in this thread.

PS. We value this forum's community members very much. That's why we selected you for our Public beta testing. In exchange for your help, we will be glad to provide the most active beta testers with Paragon NTFS for Mac OS X along with MacBrowser free of charge.

Thank you in advance and best regards,
Anatoly.

[Neil321]

Hi Anatoly

Good to hear you guys are still thinking about us, signed up & are now waiting for my download link to arrive.

Many thanks

Neil

[ajpl]

Will it also work in 64bit Windows?

[nospamboz]

2. Usability issues. We want to make the product as easy to use as possible.

From the description it looks OK. I've been using HFSExplorer when I'm bootcamped, but that's read only. The ability to create a new file on HFS when bootcamped is a good first step.

we will be glad to provide the most active beta testers with Paragon NTFS for Mac OS X along with MacBrowser free of charge.

Hey, that makes me cheap because I already have Paragon NTFS from the last beta program. :)

Thanks, Anatoly. I'll be signing up.

[Anatoly]

Dear Forum Visitors,

We should inform that we found a serious problem that will be fixed soon. The problem appears when copying data (files or folders) greater than ~3GB in zise to a HFS partition. I hope to upload a fixed version on Wednesday.

Thank you in advance.

Best regards,
Anatoly.

[Anatoly]

Dear Forum Visitors,

The issue is fixed. Now you can download MacBrowser and test it as you wish.

ajpl,

The current beta version does not support 64bit Windows but we are going to add this functionality soon.

Looking forward to hearing your feedback soon.
Thank you in advance.
Anatoly.

[nospamboz]

The current beta version does not support 64bit Windows but we are going to add this functionality soon.

number_waiting_for_64bit++;

[Sp0ng3B0b]

I would like to suggest that the icon is something other than an iMac
-because it's a disk
-non iMac user might find it less associative


I also still can't do right click (doesn't show any context menu), also when I drag a file into MacOS Drive, the cursor changed (telling me that I'm about to copy the dragged file), but nothing happened afterwards

I filled a flashdisk formatted with HFS, and then fill it with a file, when I plugged the flashdisk, no file showed up, and when I move the cursor to the MacOS drive browser (the space where file supposed to show up, where you drag and drop file) the cursor turned into busy (when I drag outside that area the cursor returned to normal)

Sorry for bad english, I can send you screenshot if necessary

Edit: Windows Vista Ultimate (32bit), P4 HT 2.8GHz, RAM 1GB, HDD 40GB

[Sp0ng3B0b]

I also can’t help but comparing it with competitor (let’s call it McD)

With McD on Explorer you got a disk which virtually acts and looks like an ordinary windows disk (with a little apple icon to differentiate it from ‘real’ windows drive)

While with MacBrowser you got a non functional disk (when you click, windows will ask you to format the disk)

So if you choose not to select McD’s approach can you at least somehow hide the ‘non-functional’ disk away from user’s eyes so user will only faced with ’normal disks’ and ‘MacOS Drive’

[Anatoly]

Dear ajpl and nospamboz,

We are planning to add this feature. I will let you know when it is added. Thanks.

Dear Sp0ng3B0b,

Thank you for your feedback.

I would like to suggest that the icon is something other than an iMac
We will try to think something over.

I also still can't do right click (doesn't show any context menu)
Unfortunately we can't reproduce this issue. Can you right-click on other disks to show the context menu? Please note, the context menu of our driver just shows "Open", "Explorer" and "Create Shortcut" options.

also when I drag a file into MacOS Drive, the cursor changed
We have the following know issue: You can not "drag'n'drop" files from HFS to HFS partitions. But you should "drag'n'drop" from FAT/NTFS to HFS or vise versa. Please provide us with more info regarding this issue.

I filled a flashdisk formatted with HFS, and then fill it with a file, when I plugged the flashdisk, no file showed up,

Please clarify this issue. Do you refresh the MacBrowser’s windows when plugging the flashdisk?

>I can send you screenshot if necessary
Yes, please send the screenshot. See the private messages.

While with MacBrowser you got a non functional disk (when you click, windows will ask you to format the disk)

Please clarify this point. Do you mean that all HFS partitions are mounted without an assigned drive-letter or something else?

can you at least somehow hide the ‘non-functional’ disk away from user’s eyes

From where to hide? From the MyComputer window?

Looking forward to hearing from you soon.
Thank you in advance.
Anatoly.

[Sp0ng3B0b]

"Unfortunately we can't reproduce this issue...."

I have just replaced my computer from HP Compaq dx6100 to HP Compaq dc7800 Ultra-slim, the same thing happened, I guess I have to check my flashdisk, reformat it or find another idle disk

"Yes, please send the screenshot. See the private messages"

The 'non functional' disk (http://photos-530.friendster.com/e1/photos/03/55/70915530/1_714977759l.jpg), you see when I click G drive, windows will ask me to format it, instead of showing files

Suggestion 1 (http://photos-530.friendster.com/e1/photos/03/55/70915530/1_346476839l.jpg)

Suggestion 2 (http://photos-530.friendster.com/e1/photos/03/55/70915530/1_886289741l.jpg)

[Sp0ng3B0b]

I have tried other flashdisk (PQI, previously it was a Kingston), formatted with Mac OS X Extended (Journaled)

Windows still doesn't recognized the drive (ask me to format it), and Macbrowser couldn't read it (no files displayed)

Maybe macbrowser is not compatible with flashdisk yet? Currently I don't have spare external harddrive to play with

[Sp0ng3B0b]

We have the following know issue: You can not "drag'n'drop" files from HFS to HFS partitions. But you should "drag'n'drop" from FAT/NTFS to HFS or vise versa. Please provide us with more info regarding this issue.

I still don't have access to the content of the disk when using MacBrowser, so trying to do drag-and-drop from/to HFS formatted disk(s) is not currently possible

Edit:

The previous PC was Windows Vista Gold, while the new PC had been updated to SP1 prior installing MacBrowser

Oh, and you need to tell users that they need to change the UAC setting prior installing MacBrowser (which I did)

[starless]

Hi, I just registered for this beta testing, and then downloaded the latest MacBrowser beta.

First of all, a question: is this software only meant to be used by Bootcamp users, i.e. to read the Mac partition from Windows on a dual-boot machine?
Judging from its description it seemed to me a more general software for reading Mac-formatted drives on Windows, and this is why I offered for beta testing, as I do not use Bootcamp.
But I confirm what other users reported here: it does not work on USB pendrives.

I installed MacBrowser on a WinXP SP2 machine (a virtual machine, running on VMWare Fusion). I then formatted a 16GB USB pendrive on OSX, choosing the journaled extended MacOS filesystem. Copied some files on it using the Finder, then unmounted it.
I then mounted the pendrive on the WinXP machine. Windows assigned it a drive letter but of course could not read it directly. I opened the "MacOS Drives" special folder in My Computer but its window appears empty, no files show up.

So, is MacBrowser meant to also work on HFS+ USB drives, which means there's a bug here, or is this an expected behaviour?

While I cannot fully test the software yet, here are some suggestions, supposing the software is meant to work on USB drives:

- can you prevent Windows from assigning a letter to the drive? As seen from other posts here, this can be very confusing for some users, who try to access the drive the usual way and get a format request. The ideal way would be of course to mount the drive the usual way, assigning it a letter, and make it readable, but maybe this is not possible.

- do you plan to create a standalone version of MacBrowser? I mean a software which could be run on a Windows machine without the need to install it. Even if it had limited features with respect to the full installed version, it would be very useful for people traveling around with HFS+ drives which they could need to access from other people's Windows machines.

Thank you and good work. And... any more infos on the free NTFS for MacOSX? :) Time for me to become a loyal Paragon user on Mac, too, after being a very satisfied user of Paragon Partition Manager before switching.

[Sp0ng3B0b]

@starless: wow, you just said what I've been struggling to say for weeks, many thanks for clarifying/summarizing the points :)

@developer: will there be a control panel applet or some way to temporarily disable macbrowser should in rare circumstances it doesn't play nice with other 3rd party softwares?

[Sp0ng3B0b]

Care to share any details/progress?

[duxDuck]

While attempting to install MacBrowser 1.0 beta on my Windows Vista SP1 32bit I get an error. You can see it on the attached PNG.
I've just launched the installer and followed the installation wizard. As a result, I see a new generic drive in "Computer" which is supposed to be the MacBrowser one but I can't access it! Does anyone experienced the same?
Note I'm working on a fresh Windows Vista Ultimate installation.

[Sp0ng3B0b]

redownload the installer perhaps?

[duxDuck]

As Sp0ng3b0b suggested, I tried to download the MSI once again. Running the program get the unistall asking for removing the previous version (?): there's no way to performe the operation as the error still occured (see the attached screenshot). Any suggestion?
As I say before, I'm workig on a fresh Windows Vista Ultimate SP1 32bit installation. Thanks.

[Sp0ng3B0b]

Try checking the root directory (c:\) for a file called "Program" if this file exists delete it, apparently it often causes problems for windows installers

http://julianyap.blogspot.com/2005/05/installshield-headaches-and-error-1722.html

You can also search further in google using 'Error 1722'

[duxDuck]

Unfortunately, there was no file called "Program" in C:\

Goggleing for "Installshield error 1722" I've found a way to "workaround" the problem: running the installer double-clicking on its icon is supposed to have it working with restricted permissions; so I launched the command prompt as Administrator and I got the installer to pull out a detailed log file.

The command performed is:
msiexec.exe /i C:\Path\Your.msi /L*vx C:\Your.log

The first operation was to remove the older installation and it worked as expected. After the reboot, I performed a new installation and everything was ok. I've attached the two logs produced by the InstallShield installer, hoping for someone to investingate on them.

At this point, even if a "MacOS Drives" icon appears on My Computer, when I double-click on it I just get a blank window (see the attached PNG). The same result is achieved running (as Admin) a command on regsvr32: it just installs the icon on MyComputer.

So, what's next? :mad:

[computerfreak]

I tried MacBrowser today for the first time today and have a problem with Windows Explorer crashing with the following error:

Event Type: Error
Event Source: Application Error
Event Category: None
Event ID: 1000
Date: 12/13/2008
Time: 8:34:04 PM
User: N/A
Computer: PVR
Description:
Faulting application explorer.exe, version 6.0.2900.5512, faulting module volumeextension.dll, version 8.0.0.8413, fault address 0x00009f54.

I am running XP Professional SP3 (fully updated) and tried this on two different PC's (2.4GHz Celeron Shuttle SS51G and a 1.5GHz AMD Athlon home-built) with the same result. Also tried different HFS+ disks, one firewire, one mixed HFS+/NTFS IDE, and one IDE disk with just one HFS+ partition formatted under GPT. Mac OSX 10.5.5 was used to create all HFS+ partitions.

In all cases, the System Folder "MacOS Drives" shows up in Explorer and clicking on MacOS Drives shows the partitions on each HFS drive in dual pane mode. But the moment I click on any of the partitions to open files and folders, the above error message pops up. Have not been able to get beyond this.

On a side note: For the single partition HFS drive, two partitions are shown in the MacOS drives: "Boot OSX" plus the name of the formatted partition. I assume that Boot OSX refers to the initial 200Mb Apple EFI partition.

Windows prepared an Appcompatibility report for their crash report which I could submit if interested.

[Pickoff]

This is great that you are letting this great community beta test this.

I have a serious problem right from the get-go. I fill out all fields on the registration and check the boxes and I get a "Registration Failed." In both IE and Minefield (Firefox).

I have double & triple checked that everything I inputted was correct.

Tim

[duxDuck]

This is great that you are letting this great community beta test this.

I have a serious problem right from the get-go. I fill out all fields on the registration and check the boxes and I get a "Registration Failed." In both IE and Minefield (Firefox).

I have double & triple checked that everything I inputted was correct.

Tim

Did you tick the two checkboxes under the agreement?

[duxDuck]

Finally, I got it!
Thanks to a post of Anatoly on Mac-Forums (http://www.mac-forums.com/forums/windows-classic-linux-other-os/128594-paragon-macbrowser-public-beta-testing-hfs-windows.html) the issue seems to be solved. I has to do with the UAC (User Account Control). For everyone experiencing the same, just go to your user account settings on the Control Panel and disable the UAC. After a reboot, you'll see all of your HSF partitions.

Now that I can have my hands on it, as Sp0ng3b0b suggested, any other icon different from the iMac would be appreciated: maybe the more generic Mac desktop icon (use the leopard one, please). David Lanham (http://dlanham.com/) makes beautiful icons, take a look at his work.

Next, when the driver populates the drives list, try to address the generic drive icon instead of the one with the Windows watermark. (see attached PNG)

A settings panel would offer the ability to:

show/hide (Mac) system files and folders;
load/unload (activate/deactivate) MacBrowser;
prevent unwanted overwrites by making the whole disk "Read-only".


The options/buttons bar (I'm not sure about its original name, that's a translation from the Italian way of calling it) I mean the one you left blank (or water-green :)) may show all the available options on files and folders (i.e. Rename, Copy, Delete, Properties, Options...).

Great work guys!

PS: don't forget to let the driver working on restricted user spaces (I mean let us do the job with the UAC enebled!) ;)

UPDATE
Using MacBrowser I've noticed a bug: while it's well known that you can't work on files directly from the MacOS disk, when I move a file on it to overwrite the older one it shows freaky file sizes on the dialog window (see the usual attached PNG for explanations). Despite from the unit conversion error, the operation works as expected!

[Pickoff]

Did you tick the two checkboxes under the agreement?

Yup yup. I'll try again.

[drichards]

Does this utility support writing to HFS+ partitions in Windows?

Ok I see it does... but its awkward. Is the ultimate goal to duplicate MacDrive capability?

[duxDuck]

It's a different approach, but since it's in beta the usability has to be improved. Hope to see it more user-friendly in the near future. If you have suggestions, post them! :)

[Anatoly]

Dear Forum Visitors,

Thank you very much for your great feedback. We are planning to release MacBrowser by the end of this year. Your feedback was very useful for us to release a good product.

All beta testers will receive NTFS for Mac OS X 7.0 along with MacBrowser free of charge. I will let you know it later (after the release).

Sp0ng3B0b, starless and duxDuck thank you for your bug reports and suggestions. We will consider them to implement.

computerfreak, I am sorry for errors you have encountered. We almost have re-written the MacBrowser’s code and will check these issues soon. Thanks.

If you still have questions – please ask them.

I wish you have a very nice time during coming holidays.
Merry Christmas and joyful time.

Thank you again.

Best regards,
Anatoly.

[Sp0ng3B0b]

Nice to hear from you again

Thanks for the good news

Happy holidays,

Chriswan Winata

[Sidhartha]

Hey Guys,

Any ideas when 64-bit support is coming on-line...?

Thanks

[Timur]

I am testing this on a late 2008 Macbook Pro 2.8 running a fresh installation of Vista 32-bit SP2 and it just made the MBP hang (forcing me to do a hard power-off).

I copied the program directory of Ableton Live from the subdirectory "Macinthosh HD/AUDIO" to the Vista desktop when the hang happened.

Furthermore I noticed quite high CPU load (kernel load) while copying files (27% CPU load according to Task-Manager when the computer hang) and find copying files to be rather slow (250 gb, 7200 rpm drive, partitioned into two halves). Even worse, while the copy operation is running the Windows Desktop is not useable (colored circle mousepointer showing). That doesn't happen with even much larger copy operation from a local or a network drive.

Last but not least I find it very inconvinient that every sub-folder of "Macintosh HD" is opened in a separate window even when Explorer is not set to do that by default.

[Timur]

Integration with "Total Commander" doesn't seem to work unfortunately. It is not possible to copy anything back and forth between the HFS+ and the NTFS volume unless you already copied it via right-click copy/paste before (not CTRL-C/V) from inside Total Commander's windows. Once you copy and paste it via right-click you can also copy it via Total Commander's F5 command.

[Vivaldi]

I'd love to try this beta, but unfortunately every time I attempt register I get a "registration failed" error (yes, I did fill out all the forms, and yes, I did click both checkmarks).

[pinchies]

Hi Paragon Dev's, I've been trying MacBrowser under Windows 7 (64 bit -could this be the problem?) - It didn't work out well at all.

The beta installed fine in the Windows 7 beta, but I had to disable the UAC (which makes more sense to leave on in Win7) to get it to install properly.

The MacBrowser drive does not appear in "my computer", and there is no "Other" category of drives like the vista screenshots show.

I'm looking forward to getting it working I'll be giving it a thorough test over the next few days, with several GB's of data to transfer. If I can't get windows 7 to work, I'll just do it by trying MacBrowser in XP instead, so it's not an urgent problem.

[tomf40ph]

Thanks to the developers for providing a public beta.

I was under the impression this product would enable viewing of all HFS drives. On a space limited laptop, working as a freelance support technician in mixed environments, I would like access to external HFS drives, be they Sata, USB, FireWire, Flash, or even SCSI. Looking at the forum and my own experience with the software this past month shows there is no such support.

My expectations for NTFS and MacBrowser are the ability to read and write files from [external] drives for either platform regardless of the OS I'm currently booted in.

Regards,
Tom

[Sp0ng3B0b]

Congratulations on the release of Paragon NTFS for Mac OS X 7

Wishing you a good business in the future

[pinchies]

The new release is exciting! :D
I'm sorry, I wish I had been able to give more help.

[nospamboz]

Congratulations on the release of Paragon NTFS for Mac OS X 7

I bought the upgrade (I got version 6 free as a beta tester). The new MacBrowser now includes 64-bit drivers. I'll give it a thorough test later.

[duxDuck]

I'd really like to upgrade my copy of NTFS for Mac OS X and as a MacBrowser beta tester I don't know if I have to buy the upgrade or if I am eligible for a free copy.

[Anatoly]

Dear Forum Visitors,

I am sorry for keeping silence for so long. We have released Paragon NTFS for Mac OS X 7.0 (http://www.paragon-software.com/home/ntfs-mac/) that includes MacBrowser.
Thank you very much for you help with testing Paragon MacBrowser. We appreciate it very much. As I promised the most active beta testers will be provided with the product for free.
The most active beta testers are:
Sp0ng3B0b;
starless;
duxDuck;
computerfreak;
Timur;
pinchies.

Please send me your names and email as a private message and I will provide you with the product link soon.

Thank you all,
Anatoly.

[Sp0ng3B0b]

I just got my license 11 hours ago

Thanks a lot

[Timur]

Hehe, I just bought NTFS for Mac before reading here again. Too bad. But I could give the extra licence to my band-mate.

Version 7 solves the problems of the V6 trial where many files being copied resulted in errors.

NTFS for Mac is considerably faster when writing compared to the freeware NTFS-3G, but it's still considerably slower than using HFS or FAT32 on OS X or using NTFS on native Windows (Bootcamp). I hope that write performance is enhanced with the next version.

Unfortunately I'm still having problems with Mac Browser. It simply doesn't show my HFS/OS X partition of a bootcamped Macbook Pro (1 HFS+ OS X partition + 1 NTFS Vista-64 partition).

[nospamboz]

Unfortunately I'm still having problems with Mac Browser. It simply doesn't show my HFS/OS X partition of a bootcamped Macbook Pro (1 HFS+ OS X partition + 1 NTFS Vista-64 partition).

Virtually identical system (iMac, not MBP) and I have the same problem. Maybe their 64-bit Windows drivers don't really work yet. The beta was 32-bit.

[Doctor Q]

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