iPhoto 4.0.1

[MacRumors]

Apple released iPhoto 4.0.1 today in your Software Update:

iPhoto 4.0.1 includes many organizational and stability enhancements. Performance has also been increased throughout the application, giving you faster importing, smoother image viewing and easier Rendezvous photo sharing. This version of iPhoto also features improved thumbnail images in your photo library. To take advantage of this, your thumbnails must be upgraded, which may take a while, depending on the number of photos in your library.

iPhoto 4 was originally released with iLife '04 (http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2004/01/20040114143204.shtml) in January.

[Dippo]

I hope this improves the speed a bit.

When I used it last it seemed a bit sluggish but of course that was on an eMac.

[Stike]

VERY nice! I will update ASAP. Love the new iPhoto, and it can only get better!

[whiskeybravo]

iPhoto was neglected for so long. Glad to see that at least they are paying attention to it now that it is not free :rolleyes:

[swissmann]

I have always had iPhoto but have never used it until iLife '04. I think it has improved enough to really be used and I like it quite a bit.

[MacFan25]

Downloading now, only 4 MB. I was really impressed with iPhoto 4's speed when I first got it. Glad to see they're further improving it.

[jxyama]

cool! can't wait until i get off work to try the new one!

iPhoto was neglected for so long. Glad to see that at least they are paying attention to it now that it is not free :rolleyes:

ha ha, i hear ya... i guess it's not "free" anymore, so apple can't neglect it as much...

[HenMaster6000]

I assume this is only for iLife '04 customers...

[miloblithe]

This is pretty great that it's supposedly even faster. I thought iPhoto 4 was great.

[logica4d]

Now if we could just get a Keynote update and one for Garage Band. ;)

[iJon]

I assume this is only for iLife '04 customers...
...how else would you get iphoto 4?

iJon

[ibookin']

When I launched iPhoto after the update it asked me to update my thumbnails, which took about a minute on my PowerBook G4 1GHz with 512MB RAM and about 150 photos.

It seems a lot faster. Good job Apple.

[Bear]

...how else would you get iphoto 4?

iJonWith the purchase of a new machine.

[guyute]

Just wanted to say my install went fine

[iJon]

With the purchase of a new machine.
true, which is still ilife 04'. i just dont understand what his statement was suppose to mean. yes it is for 04's customers, but isnt that a given anyways, who else would it be for.

iJon

[Trekkie]

iPhoto was neglected for so long. Glad to see that at least they are paying attention to it now that it is not free :rolleyes:

I've got three words for you

GET OVER IT!

:rolleyes: to you too.

[kenaustus]

Easy install, but it took 29 minutes rebuilding the thumbnails on a 667 PB with 1 gig memory. Perhaps because there were almost 2,000 photos and most were from a 4 mpix digital camera - and some photos were 5 Mb each. Well worth the effort as the thumbnails are excellent.

[Stike]

On my single G4 933 MHz updating the tumbnails for over 4000 pics takes about 1 hour - prepare for some waiting time after the update!

iPhoto is still working... about 15 min to go....

[bousozoku]

I've got three words for you

GET OVER IT!

:rolleyes: to you too.

Exactly!


It's terrible that a company would charge $49 for 5 better than average applications, especially when they're good values at that price. I believe Apple should start giving away everything--for free.


I'm glad Apple is cotinuing to work on this highly-subsidised application and make it better than ever. It's one more reason that owning a Macintosh makes live easier, or at least, more enjoyable.

[njthree]

Easy install, but it took 29 minutes rebuilding the thumbnails on a 667 PB with 1 gig memory. Perhaps because there were almost 2,000 photos and most were from a 4 mpix digital camera - and some photos were 5 Mb each. Well worth the effort as the thumbnails are excellent.

Agree ... Quick install and 8 minute thumbnail update on a 15" TiPB ... :)

[Heart Break Kid]

Agree ... Quick install and 8 minute thumbnail update on a 15" TiPB ... :)

took about 1 min to download - 3 min to update thumbnails

im all giddy =)

god i love updates

[eric_n_dfw]

I just joined the masses and bought a Canon Elph s400. I've been holding out for affordable Digital SLR's but think that Canon and Nikon still have a lot of margin room on their latest sub $1000 offerings. Maybe next year. (Plus Amazon has a pretty good price on this, "end of model year", camera)

I got my first real tast of iPhoto this weeked and am bit put off by the fact that it doesn't keep an "original" copy of your picture. Before now, I've used it quite a bit for organizing images from Picture-CD's but I've always got a backup of the original on both the CD from the lab and, of course, the 35mm negative. But with digital, my original file gets sucked into iPhoto and changed every time I crop it or do anything else to it. Is there a way to make a copy inside of iPhoto so I can have albums of "originals" as well as modified images?

Also the printing didn't seem to want to work with my Epson R300 and some 4x6 photo paper - it kept saying the page was too small for the print. (I'll play with it some more, but that's the kind of stuff iApps are supposed to do for you, isn't it?)

(BTW: Yes, I know I can tell iPhoto to not remove the images from my CF card and then I can copy them off to the HD and/or CD-R)

A friend showed me a Windows app that looks and feels exactly like iPhoto (from my limited exposure to it) and it does maintain a kind of "version control" type of library. Where the original is kept, along with all of the changes you make to the picture. Since CVS/RCS comes with OS X, I wonder if they could integrate it?

[estevan2737]

It's probably a good time to backup my library and I expect the thumbnail upgrade to take an hour or so based on the posts. Can anyone say what was improved in relation to the Rendevous photo sharing? I am hoping it is much much faster.

[iChan]

3128 photos... 17 minutes. 512RAM, 4200RPM HD, 1.25Ghz PB...

long enough methinks.

still waiting... but Really looking forward to it...

[Heart Break Kid]

question -->

when do yall think we'll see an update to iTunes and iChat? Im particularily looking forward to these 2 updates - though this iPhoto one is nice :)

[Some_Big_Spoon]

iPhoto does keep the original of each pic you import, whether it cam from a camera or not. Some choose to keep it, some choose to get rid of it with something like iPhoto Diet (http://www.versiontracker.com/dyn/moreinfo/macosx/16463)




I got my first real tast of iPhoto this weeked and am bit put off by the fact that it doesn't keep an "original" copy of your picture. Before now, I've used it quite a bit for organizing images from Picture-CD's but I've always got a backup of the original on both the CD from the lab and, of course, the 35mm negative. But with digital, my original file gets sucked into iPhoto and changed every time I crop it or do anything else to it. Is there a way to make a copy inside of iPhoto so I can have albums of "originals" as well as modified images?

(BTW: Yes, I know I can tell iPhoto to not remove the images from my CF card and then I can copy them off to the HD and/or CD-R)

A friend showed me a Windows app that looks and feels exactly like iPhoto (from my limited exposure to it) and it does maintain a kind of "version control" type of library. Where the original is kept, along with all of the changes you make to the picture. Since CVS/RCS comes with OS X, I wonder if they could integrate it?

[Some_Big_Spoon]

Hope it fixes the annoying "error" pop up that I get every time i launch that says "error sharing iphoto library". Of courseyou're not sharing, I'm the only mac in the house now. I eventually just turned off sharing by default waiting for this silly little hiccup to get ironed out.

Can anyone say what was improved in relation to the Rendevous photo sharing? I am hoping it is much much faster.

[jxyama]

iPhoto does keep the original of each pic you import, whether it cam from a camera or not. Some choose to keep it, some choose to get rid of it with something like iPhoto Diet (http://www.versiontracker.com/dyn/moreinfo/macosx/16463)

yep. you can always revert back to original with any changes you make with iPhoto (or iPhoto specified external photo editing app).

[Some_Big_Spoon]

There you have it folks, independant corroboration! :-)

yep. you can always revert back to original with any changes you make with iPhoto (or iPhoto specified external photo editing app).

[jxyama]

There you have it folks, independant corroboration! :-)

i just wanted to give another heads up, that's all. you obviously know what you are talking about... ;)

[rayzor]

Quite noticably faster

[AppleMatt]

Idea: Let's not turn this into a iLife '04 should they/shouldn't they debate and leave it with discussion on the update. Personally I'm very interested that they've pushed performance further however I'm more interested in how the thumbnails could have been improved. I'm guessing they don't scroll at low res then convert to high anymore, but I'll see after the update :)

I got my first real tast of iPhoto this weeked and am bit put off by the fact that it doesn't keep an "original" copy of your picture. Before now, I've used it quite a bit for organizing images from Picture-CD's but I've always got a backup of the original on both the CD from the lab and, of course, the 35mm negative. But with digital, my original file gets sucked into iPhoto and changed every time I crop it or do anything else to it. Is there a way to make a copy inside of iPhoto so I can have albums of "originals" as well as modified images?


I realise it's not the same, but iPhoto does keep the originial, open your photo for editing, mess it up a bit and then goto "Photos > Revert to Original". Obviously this doesn't completely address your question, and would like to add that I too would like either;
- An indication of which photos have been edited and which haven't (perhaps an icon in edit view?)
- An option to view the whole library as edited or un-edited.

As the photos are all in place, it wouldn't be too much of a change, especially the first option.

AppleMatt

[applekid]

Well, nothing feels new to be blunt. I only feel like I wanted 5 minutes updating all of those thumbnails.

Am I the only one that feels Apple "cheated" in a way to make iPhoto faster? When you scroll, the thumbnails become low-quality and blocky to make it speedy. I don't know. But it's alright. Whatever keeps the speed good, right?

[PRØBE]

Exactly!


It's terrible that a company would charge $49 for 5 better than average applications, especially when they're good values at that price. I believe Apple should start giving away everything--for free.


I'm glad Apple is cotinuing to work on this highly-subsidised application and make it better than ever. It's one more reason that owning a Macintosh makes live easier, or at least, more enjoyable.




Hm, I thought the whole idea was that we pay too much dosh for underpowered computers but are compensated by pretty design and the high quality, well intergrated, bundled software. I hope this whole paying thing isn't a trend.
I have iphoto, but it is annoyingly slow and I would have been chuffed with a free update.

[iomar]

Great! I love updates.

[bomega]

As most (all?) digital camera's these days come with some sort of movie support I would really like it if iPhoto would also import and archive movies. My pictures are all organized but my movie are a mess.

[elo]

Hm, I thought the whole idea was that we pay too much dosh for underpowered computers but are compensated by pretty design and the high quality, well intergrated, bundled software. I hope this whole paying thing isn't a trend.
I have iphoto, but it is annoyingly slow and I would have been chuffed with a free update.

No, that's not the "idea." Buy the computer you want. Then buy the software you want. Very simple.

elo

[eric_n_dfw]

Well, color me tickled! (I don't know what that means either :D)
I had not seen the "return to original" thingie. Rock on Apple!

Thanks for pointing it out, I'll look for it tonight when I get home.

BTW: That Windows software is at www.picasa.net. It's pretty sweet; a great solution for any of you Windoze users until you get a Mac! ;)


edit: Maybe I should read the manual: http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=150214

[reh]

Well, color me tickled! (I don't know what that means either :D)
I had not seen the "return to original" thingie. Rock on Apple!

Thanks for pointing it out, I'll look for it tonight when I get home.
Hold down the control key while viewing an edited image to see the original.

[njthree]

[QUOTE=eric_n_dfw]I just joined the masses and bought a Canon Elph s400. I've been holding out for affordable Digital SLR's but think that Canon and Nikon still have a lot of margin room on their latest sub $1000 offerings. Maybe next year. (Plus Amazon has a pretty good price on this, "end of model year", camera)

I got my first real tast of iPhoto this weeked and am bit put off by the fact that it doesn't keep an "original" copy of your picture. Before now, I've used it quite a bit for organizing images from Picture-CD's but I've always got a backup of the original on both the CD from the lab and, of course, the 35mm negative. But with digital, my original file gets sucked into iPhoto and changed every time I crop it or do anything else to it. Is there a way to make a copy inside of iPhoto so I can have albums of "originals" as well as modified images?

Responding to your concern about retaining the 'original' -- You could use the 'Duplicate' option by highliting the interested photo in "Organize" and key Apple/Command-D. You can the crop/modify the duplicate copy-- retaining the original untouched.

[kenaustus]

iChan

Just goes to show how much better the 1.25 is than the 667. Aghhh . . .

[chubad]

I got my first real tast of iPhoto this weeked and am bit put off by the fact that it doesn't keep an "original" copy of your picture. Before now, I've used it quite a bit for organizing images from Picture-CD's but I've always got a backup of the original on both the CD from the lab and, of course, the 35mm negative. But with digital, my original file gets sucked into iPhoto and changed every time I crop it or do anything else to it. Is there a way to make a copy inside of iPhoto so I can have albums of "originals" as well as modified images?



iPhoto always saves an original no matter how many times you modify or crop the photo.
Just go to the top tool bar in iPhoto and go to Photos / Revert to original.

[jxyama]

Hold down the control key while viewing an edited image to see the original.

dang, that's sweet!!

i was about to mention that reverting to original is not un-doable... but this will definitely help! (it's just temporary, i.e. while holding down control, right?)

[Snowy_River]

...Is there a way to make a copy inside of iPhoto so I can have albums of "originals" as well as modified images?...

To answer the question that you asked, that no one else has, yes, you can easily make copies of photos in iPhoto. Command-D duplicates the currently selected photo(s), providing you with copies, should you wish to make modifications but still have the original showing up in your library.

[reh]

dang, that's sweet!!

i was about to mention that reverting to original is not un-doable... but this will definitely help! (it's just temporary, i.e. while holding down control, right?)
Yup, only temporary. I use it a lot to quickly flip back and forth to see if I like the iPhoto's "enhanced" version of the photo.

[Snowy_River]

Hold down the control key while viewing an edited image to see the original.

Huh. Really? It's not working on my machine. Holding down the control key does nothing. If I click, it brings up a contextual menu, but still no showing of the original...

[jxyama]

if you want to have an album with just the originals, you can either make an album and add all of these duplicates. or use iPhoto Library Manager and dump pictures from your digital cameras twice - once to "regular" iPhoto Library and one more time to "originals only" iPhoto Library.

[Mr Orange]

Not bad.

Took my 1.25Ghz PowerBook 4 minutes to update 747 photos, most at 6MP.

[Snowy_River]

Yup, only temporary. I use it a lot to quickly flip back and forth to see if I like the iPhoto's "enhanced" version of the photo.

Okay, now I got it. It only works for coloring changes. Enhance, Red-eye, BW, Sepia, etc. It does not work if you've cropped the image. That is to say, it'll show what things looked like after you cropped, but not before (i.e. if you change colors after cropping it'll show the difference, but not if you changed colors before cropping).

Nor will this really revert to the original any old time, either. Try changing an image to BW. Now hold down control. It works fine. Now go to another image and come back. Hold down control, and nothing happens...

[Snowy_River]

Say, can anyone comment on what kinds of "organizational" enhancements there are?

[bnemesis]

Cool. I am starting to get my wife involved using iPhoto.
I love the interface, but have two gripes with the program in general.
1) iPhoto print service prices are double that of Ofoto (which is where the prints come from)

and

2) iPhoto cant deal with archived photos on removeable media like CDs or DVDRs. It would be sweet if it would create the thumbnail and keep the meta information for the image, allowing searching. But prompted for media when you wished to see the full image. Unless you had "enhanced" or cropped an image. Then a local copy would be acceptable.

Until then, I have to stick with my ancient copy of Extensis Portfolio (my version cant read exif info from digital camera photos :( )

[TorbX]

Oh, man, how long is this going to take?

[GrannySmith_G5]

So, I come on to MacRumors, see the headline "Apple released iPhoto 4.0.1 today in your Software Update:" but then notice it already has 21 negative votes. Uh oh, I say to myself, I wonder what's wrong with it. I read through these posts, see no real complaints, and am now scratching my head. Why the negative votes?

Anyhow I'm updating now, hope it's good.

[phasetwo]

... I got my first real tast of iPhoto this weeked and am bit put off by the fact that it doesn't keep an "original" copy of your picture. Before now, I've used it quite a bit for organizing images from Picture-CD's but I've always got a backup of the original on both the CD from the lab and, of course, the 35mm negative. But with digital, my original file gets sucked into iPhoto and changed every time I crop it or do anything else to it. Is there a way to make a copy inside of iPhoto so I can have albums of "originals" as well as modified images?....

I photo doesn't modify your originals! If you change a picture you can at anytime select "Revert to orginal" under the photo menu. Really where you you get this stuff?

[aftk2]

I read through these posts, see no real complaints, and am now scratching my head. Why the negative votes?

People are undoubtedly still irritated by the fact that iPhoto 4 has to be purchased through iLife, while the previous versions were free.

[TorbX]

People are undoubtedly still irritated by the fact that iPhoto 4 has to be purchased through iLife, while the previous versions were free.

A little off topic, but, umh, where do I vote?

EDIT: Forget it, I found it. How did I miss that?? :confused: :rolleyes:

[oingoboingo]

I just applied the 4.0.1 update on my 1GHz 12" PowerBook (768MB RAM) and my 1.6GHz G5 (1.25GB RAM). All my photos are from a Sony DSC-P31 2 megapixel camera (ie: 1600x1200 resolution). Updating 814 photos on the PowerBook took almost exactly 10 minutes (0.73 seconds per photo). Updating 993 photos from the same camera on the 1.6GHz G5 took almost exactly 5 minutes (0.3 seconds per photo). The 814 photos on the PowerBook are a full subset of those on the G5. Both systems are running OS X 10.3.3.

So, this incredibly unscientific benchmark makes the 1.6GHz G5 about 2.4 times faster than the 1GHz 12" PowerBook for the task up updating thumbnails in iPhoto 4.0.1. A fascinating benchmark!!!! :)

Scrolling through the thumbnail gallery seems smoother now at least. Which is good...there was so much room for performance improvement from iPhoto 2 it wasn't funny. Good to see Apple ironing out the performance problems.

[AppleMatt]

I did a very sad thing today.

Before the update installed (via SU) I quickly fired up iPhoto and took a few window-shots of the previews. After it installed I did a load more of exactly the same photos and...

...previews are definitely much much better. There's no "overly sharpness" to them anymore (think of repeatedly pressing "sharpen" in an image program and you're where the old thumbnails used to be) and also things such as diagonal lines are no longer jagged. Everything's nice and smooth :)

The only performance increase I've noticed is scrolling, however I haven't imported anything new yet.
Happy with this update :)

AppleMatt

[sososowhat]

So what are these "organizational enhancements" they mention. I've downloaded & haven't noticed any. Performance is less important than functionality to me at this point.

"iPhoto 4.0.1 includes many organizational and stability enhancements"

[william1949]

8 minutes to update thumbnails on a dual 1 gig 1050 2mg pics.
My impressions:
1. Startup time for iPhotos is a lot snapper.
2. Scrolling in much smoother.
3. Thumbnails look better

A good improvement.

[Snowy_River]

Cool. I am starting to get my wife involved using iPhoto.
I love the interface, but have two gripes with the program in general.
1) iPhoto print service prices are double that of Ofoto (which is where the prints come from)

and

2) iPhoto cant deal with archived photos on removeable media like CDs or DVDRs. It would be sweet if it would create the thumbnail and keep the meta information for the image, allowing searching. But prompted for media when you wished to see the full image. Unless you had "enhanced" or cropped an image. Then a local copy would be acceptable.

Until then, I have to stick with my ancient copy of Extensis Portfolio (my version cant read exif info from digital camera photos :( )

Two points:

1) There's nothing stopping you from using Ofoto just because you use iPhoto. And, in point of fact, the only price difference is in 4x6 prints. Through iPhoto it costs $0.39 vs. $0.29 through Ofoto. Hardly twice as much.

2) If you want to store photos on a CD for use later, you can create thumbnails of them to store in iPhoto with the appropriate CD information. Or, alternatively, use Portfolio to manage the photos that you want to off load from iPhoto.

iPhoto is really geared toward these great new machines that seem to have almost unlimited disk space. It's really not aimed at the professional photographer (not to say it can't be used by us) whose photo library ranges into the tens of thousands of photos and can take tens of GBs of disk space...

That's where a piece of software like Portfolio shines. You know they're up to version 6 which is 'Panther Compatible'?

[PRØBE]

No, that's not the "idea." Buy the computer you want. Then buy the software you want. Very simple.

elo





Tell that to all the Apple marketing people. In the dark ages of Motorola, the software bundle was touted as a primary reason to switch to macs ie:being able to do everything you want with one, straight out of the box etc. My March issue of MacFormat has a whole article on reasons to switch to Macs, the free software being one of them.

[oingoboingo]

Hm, I thought the whole idea was that we pay too much dosh for underpowered computers but are compensated by pretty design and the high quality, well intergrated, bundled software. I hope this whole paying thing isn't a trend.
I have iphoto, but it is annoyingly slow and I would have been chuffed with a free update.

You are clearly new around here. The idea is that you pay a premium price for underpowered computers...and then you pay yearly for operating system updates, pay yearly for the integrated web services, and pay yearly for updates to the bundled apps. And, if you'd like, you can also pay extra to bring the included warranty up to the standard offered by the rest of the industry. The premium you pay for your hardware is just a...well...err...it's just a premium. Now please shut up. You clearly do not understand the Apple way. If you make another comment like this I will be forced to inform Steve Jobs of your complaint and he will come around to your house and forcibly take your ill-deserved Macintosh away from you. Please bear in mind that if this occurs you will also need to have a credit card handy to pay for the "Ungrateful Apple User Macintosh Removal" charge, which is also levied yearly.

Sincerely,
Apple Forum User Opinion Compliance Department.

[Snowy_River]

P.S. If the cost of your online ordered photos really matter that much to you, and you order a lot of them, get a CostCo membership. They have even better prices than Ofoto. Consider:

Membership cost=$45

4x6:
Price: $0.24
Savings: $0.05
Photos printed to pay for membership: 900/year, or 75/month

5x7:
Price: $0.89
Savings: $0.10
Photos printed to pay for membership: 450/year, or 38/month

8x10:
Price: $2.59
Savings: $1.40
Photos printed to pay for membership: 32/year, or 2.6/month

[Trowaman]

okay, I made a deal with myself. Originally I'd buy iLiife when I had at least $400 but I don't think I'm gonna make it so when I hit $300 I'll buy it. If I don't buy anything I'll buy it in 2 weeks. Wish me luck.

[Snowy_River]

Tell that to all the Apple marketing people. In the dark ages of Motorola, the software bundle was touted as a primary reason to switch to macs ie:being able to do everything you want with one, straight out of the box etc. My March issue of MacFormat has a whole article on reasons to switch to Macs, the free software being one of them.

Well, I believe that's what you got. And it's what you still get. iLife '04 comes free with every new Mac. Does that mean that Apple should provide major updates for free for every existing Mac user forever? :rolleyes:

[ginjg]

...how else would you get iphoto 4?

iJon
buy a new computer - my daughter bought a refurbished emac that came with ilife 2004 already installed as its supposed to be on all new machines. ;)

[amberashby]

Very Nice Apple. I like the new thumbs. Much better resolution.

[aftk2]

You are clearly new around here. The idea is that you pay a premium price for underpowered computers...and then you pay yearly for operating system updates, pay yearly for the integrated web services, and pay yearly for updates to the bundled apps.

Don't forget the Apple RAM tax. :) (Your 1.6Ghz PM sure as heck didn't come with 1.25 gigs of RAM).

[blufire]

Moving pretty quickly over here, considering I've got well over 12,000 photos. Dual 1 GHz MDD 10.3.3 w/ 768 MB, it started out with about 45 minutes. 15 mins remaining... I've run the same update on two other computers in the house, and they've been successful... iPhoto seems faster, and the thumbnails look sharper and richer.

[MacEyeDoc]

I've got a 1.25MHz AlPB with over 9500 photos, either from a Nikon 3.2 or Canon 6.3 megapixel. I wonder how long the upgrade will take?

I'm glad some of you guys are braver than I about diving in to these updates - sheesh, what if it screwed up 9500 photos! That would give you a headache - but I'll wait till I can backup before I do the update.

Cheers!

[Viv]

People are undoubtedly still irritated by the fact that iPhoto 4 has to be purchased through iLife, while the previous versions were free.

Stll irratated i had to buy the whole ILife suit to get IPoto but then I have to forgive them a bit as it works as well as they say and I am pleased with what it does for me.

Impresseses the hell out of PCEE users:-)

And yes I am pleased at the update too it works fine and yes i voted positive and wondered at the negatives?

Just irratated I had to buy gargage door stop to get it!

Viv

[oingoboingo]

Don't forget the Apple RAM tax. :) (Your 1.6Ghz PM sure as heck didn't come with 1.25 gigs of RAM).

I have recorded your user ID and I am currently forwarding it direct to Steve. Please expect an Apple Macintosh Recovery team to be at your doorstep within 1-2 weeks, although if it is a PowerMac G5, we may reserve the right to continually change our collection estimate...or simply ignore it, depending on whether a high-profile academic customer has complained about their 1100 dual 2GHz G5s and we need to reclaim those first. Also, the collection date may vary wildly if a product update is imminent. We may also from time to time offer a free 'bonus' collection, where in addition to taking your Mac, we may also take your printer, scanner, or .Mac membership with us too.

Sincerely,
Steve's Secretary

PS: No, my 1.6GHz PM came with the standard 256MB RAM, and I got the other 1GB from Crucial at a substantial saving. And guess who manufactured the 256MB which was included by Apple...it starts with a 'C' and rhymes with...errr...crucial. :)

[neutrino23]

2) iPhoto cant deal with archived photos on removeable media like CDs or DVDRs. It would be sweet if it would create the thumbnail and keep the meta information for the image, allowing searching. But prompted for media when you wished to see the full image. Unless you had "enhanced" or cropped an image. Then a local copy would be acceptable.


I haven't tried this yet but at the Apple booth at MWSF the iPhoto demonstrator said you can write rolls of film to a CD-R from iPhoto. Later iPhoto will open that CD and view it just like any other library.

I found this message on the Apple Discussion forums:

If you use the Burn button in iPhoto 4 you can archive photos to either CD or DVD.

When these disks are re-inserted they will show up in iPhoto as if the were an additional Library. That way your photo archives need not take up space on your hard disk.

Your default iPhoto library remains on your computer but you could have as many archive CDs or DVDs as you like.

[Whipple Hippo]

This might be a coincidence, but my guess is this update came out at this time because of a problem of which I had the privilege to experience. Last week when I updated from OS 10.3.2 to 10.3.3, iPhoto would no longer load properly. It would show the window briefly without showing any pictures, then the application would encounter an unexpected error and quit. I sent in some bug reports to Apple and now, after the update, it works just fine again (well, okay it works better than before). I don't know if anyone else out there experienced the same thing.
- Ti Powerbook 400Mhz

[bidge]

I just joined the masses and bought a Canon Elph s400. I've been holding out for affordable Digital SLR's but think that Canon and Nikon still have a lot of margin room on their latest sub $1000 offerings. Maybe next year. (Plus Amazon has a pretty good price on this, "end of model year", camera)

I got my first real tast of iPhoto this weeked and am bit put off by the fact that it doesn't keep an "original" copy of your picture. Before now, I've used it quite a bit for organizing images from Picture-CD's but I've always got a backup of the original on both the CD from the lab and, of course, the 35mm negative. But with digital, my original file gets sucked into iPhoto and changed every time I crop it or do anything else to it. Is there a way to make a copy inside of iPhoto so I can have albums of "originals" as well as modified images?

Also the printing didn't seem to want to work with my Epson R300 and some 4x6 photo paper - it kept saying the page was too small for the print. (I'll play with it some more, but that's the kind of stuff iApps are supposed to do for you, isn't it?)

(BTW: Yes, I know I can tell iPhoto to not remove the images from my CF card and then I can copy them off to the HD and/or CD-R)

A friend showed me a Windows app that looks and feels exactly like iPhoto (from my limited exposure to it) and it does maintain a kind of "version control" type of library. Where the original is kept, along with all of the changes you make to the picture. Since CVS/RCS comes with OS X, I wonder if they could integrate it?

Just select the photo then click Photo --->>> Revert to Original

[ffactory]

man i am soooo glad i haven't upgraded yet. first i would've had to convert all my photos so they could be used with '04, then all that time i would've saved using the new version would be eaten up by having to update 11,000 thumbnails *again* for 4.01! using an 867 12"Al... and i can see this just taking hoooouurs... maybe i'll just wait for 4.02 :D

[Darkhorse]

I did the update but when I fired up iPhoto the program, well, didn't work. Even after a restart nothing happened and eventually the iPhoto icon dissappeared. Oh well... I downloaded iPhoto 4 off of Poisoned so that's prrrroooobably a factor.

I had to pop in my panther disc to reinstall iPhoto 2... still haven't been able to rebuild my library yet.

[latergator116]

Sort of an off topic question, but what ever happened to iPhoto 3?? :confused:

[howard]

if iphoto didn't suck about putting my photos in its own stupid directories i might be happy about this...

why can't it just leave them on my hard drive the way i have them and just organize them IN iphoto??

grrr!

[stcanard]

I'm happy.

It appears to have fixed the bug where slideshows crash if you do much navigation. In 4.00 I was afraid to touch the arrow keys or space bar during a slideshow, now on a quick test I was unable to crash it.

Finally I don't have to keep giving those embarassed "hmm, there's a problem with slideshow, but don't worry I'm sure it'll be fixed soon" comments when it keeps crashing while I'm tryin gto show people.

[dragula53]

I just joined the masses and bought a Canon Elph s400. I've been holding out for affordable Digital SLR's but think that Canon and Nikon still have a lot of margin room on their latest sub $1000 offerings. Maybe next year. (Plus Amazon has a pretty good price on this, "end of model year", camera)

I got my first real tast of iPhoto this weeked and am bit put off by the fact that it doesn't keep an "original" copy of your picture. Before now, I've used it quite a bit for organizing images from Picture-CD's but I've always got a backup of the original on both the CD from the lab and, of course, the 35mm negative. But with digital, my original file gets sucked into iPhoto and changed every time I crop it or do anything else to it. Is there a way to make a copy inside of iPhoto so I can have albums of "originals" as well as modified images?

Also the printing didn't seem to want to work with my Epson R300 and some 4x6 photo paper - it kept saying the page was too small for the print. (I'll play with it some more, but that's the kind of stuff iApps are supposed to do for you, isn't it?)

(BTW: Yes, I know I can tell iPhoto to not remove the images from my CF card and then I can copy them off to the HD and/or CD-R)

A friend showed me a Windows app that looks and feels exactly like iPhoto (from my limited exposure to it) and it does maintain a kind of "version control" type of library. Where the original is kept, along with all of the changes you make to the picture. Since CVS/RCS comes with OS X, I wonder if they could integrate it?

it does save a copy when you make changes

if you want to revert back to the original, right click on it and revert back.. or it is in the menu somewhere.. and a button somewhere too

if you want to have the original AND a copy, copy it first, then modify the second... it will let you have as many copies as you want

[edit] somebody beat me to it. but you can still have multiple copies too

[advocate]

Okay, now I got it. It only works for coloring changes. Enhance, Red-eye, BW, Sepia, etc. It does not work if you've cropped the image. That is to say, it'll show what things looked like after you cropped, but not before (i.e. if you change colors after cropping it'll show the difference, but not if you changed colors before cropping).

Nor will this really revert to the original any old time, either. Try changing an image to BW. Now hold down control. It works fine. Now go to another image and come back. Hold down control, and nothing happens...

Pressing down Ctrl performs a temporary undo.

[ifudge]

If only I could get the "stop" and "go" icons at the bottom of my monitor to disappear when I push the space bar during a slide show! The icons look less than professional when I'm trying to present a professional presentation. The option to at least turn off the icons should be there.

[centauratlas]

Is there a way to burn a slideshow to DVD? I know I can include some photos in iDVD, but it limits it to 99 photos per slideshow. What I'd like is just a DVD of images I have on my machine (like the slideshow button). While burning as a backup is nice, it would be nice to have the option of burning a slideshow too.

And the person who wished that you could drop a movie (or movie clip) in there an organize it, I am with you. That is really needed. I've burned a lot of video to DVD, but I get short video clips sometimes either from my phone or from my Olympus camera and would like to keep them organized with my photos.

[keysersoze]

Man, I was having the worst luck with my iBook G4 until today. First the logic board went. Next the HD died a loud death. I finally have had it up and running for ~1 week (knock on wood). So i just now opened my iPhoto for the hell of it, and found that that techies at SystemsPlus installed iPhoto 4 on my iBook, when they put in the new HD and OS X.3.3 (I bought this Jan 5th, so iPhoto 4 didn't come with it!). So for all the hassels of hardware replacements I can actually do this update! WOOOOOOOHOOOOO!!!!!

Everything's coming up millhouse!


:D

[fabsgwu]

Wow, iPhoto is a real champ now! Now let's add some more editing features, Apple (we are paying for it now)...

[ct77]

Is there a way to burn a slideshow to DVD? I know I can include some photos in iDVD, but it limits it to 99 photos per slideshow. What I'd like is just a DVD of images I have on my machine (like the slideshow button). While burning as a backup is nice, it would be nice to have the option of burning a slideshow too.

I don't think I've checked this myself since I upgraded to iPhoto 4, but...

... in previous versions (and, I expect in iPhoto 4) you can export a slideshow (or maybe simply a batch of photos, not a real slideshow?) to Quicktime. Then presumably you could just take the resulting Quicktime file and burn it in iDVD.

Only problem I can see with the idea I've presented here is that video is lo-res... 640x480... I'm not sure what that means for the photos (cropped or resized to lower pixel density).

Did this make any sense? It's been a long day...
:o

[reckless_0001]

Did anybody else lose their slideshow transitions?

[centauratlas]

... in previous versions (and, I expect in iPhoto 4) you can export a slideshow (or maybe simply a batch of photos, not a real slideshow?) to Quicktime. Then presumably you could just take the resulting Quicktime file and burn it in iDVD.

Did this make any sense? It's been a long day...
:o

That makes sense. Thanks. I am looking at it now. You are right about the export resolution, but it looks like it is adjustable. I am going to try playing around with it. ;-)

[dudemac]

For all that haven't updated yet I would wait. I did the update and everything appeared to be fine, until I started looking at my smart folders. The ones that I used the "any" when I had more than one rule set, show me my entire library instead of just "any" of the set rules.
It also sticks, if I edit one of these and make it have only one rule so the any/all dialog disappears, and had previously selected "any", then the single rule will not work either. I must add a second rule to get the dialog back(which is still selected to "any") I must change it back to "all" then remove the second rule and the single rule works again. This happens for all smart folders on both my machines. I don't know what they did, but I am pretty pissed about this enhanced functionality. I really use smart folders and keyword a lot to organize my photos. Anyway I am in the process of reinstalling 4.0

I should also note that this only happens when trying to use more than one keyword as a rule with the "any" dialog.

[techne]

I did the update but when I fired up iPhoto the program, well, didn't work. Even after a restart nothing happened and eventually the iPhoto icon dissappeared. Oh well... I downloaded iPhoto 4 off of Poisoned so that's prrrroooobably a factor.

I had to pop in my panther disc to reinstall iPhoto 2... still haven't been able to rebuild my library yet.

Using the 4.0.1 standalone installer and then repairing permissions using Disk Utility seems to fix the issue. Strange thing for me is that Disk Utility takes AGES to do its thing in 10.3.3.. almost everything in iMovie and iPhoto needed repair. Hope it helps to avoid cardiac arrests like the one I got when I wasnt able to launch iPhoto after updating.

[chasingapple]

Updated thumbnails took about 3 minutes for me, only have around 500 photos, iMac specs below :)

Scrolling is SO MUCH BETTER!

[stcanard]

For all that haven't updated yet I would wait. I did the update and everything appeared to be fine, until I started looking at my smart folders. The ones that I used the "any" when I had more than one rule set, show me my entire library instead of just "any" of the set rules.

Oh well, smart folders have been broken since the beginning anyway. It has trouble with the difference between "is" and "contains" in keywords (always does a substring match). I remember there were other issues, but not which.

Further breakage is probably good news in a roundabout way, as it means they're actually working on it, and maybe it will work in the future!

[Edit] Yeah, and I see you're right about the "any" completely breaking now.

[Maticode]

THIS **** DOESN'T WORK! I UPDATED IT, and now my iPhoto application icon is now one of those default application icons. Now when I click it, it doesn't load at all. It just dies every click. I don't know what to do but this is the worst thing ever!!!!!!!!!!! Now i can't even open my iPhoto and i don't know how to fix this. Anyone else have this problem? Help!

[Inspector Lee]

That makes sense. Thanks. I am looking at it now. You are right about the export resolution, but it looks like it is adjustable. I am going to try playing around with it. ;-)

I thought the quicktime option was great but I noticed a slight slight flicker between slides on my TiBook. It didn't seem to flow as smoothly as in iPhoto. Maybe I need to tweak it a little. Nonetheless, I am eager to try out the multi-song slideshow option. I create a lot of slides in Fireworks - anything from trail maps to title slides with black background and import them into iPhoto. I am wondering if I could get a mic and do some voice-overs. I could then use Keynote (possibly) as a launcher. This way I don't have to hit pause (get the icons at the bottom) and say "Now this is right before the raccoons pillaged our basecamp..."

Anybody tried this?

[raynegus]

I just joined the masses and bought a Canon Elph s400. I've been holding out for affordable Digital SLR's but think that Canon and Nikon still have a lot of margin room on their latest sub $1000 offerings. Maybe next year. (Plus Amazon has a pretty good price on this, "end of model year", camera)

I got my first real tast of iPhoto this weeked and am bit put off by the fact that it doesn't keep an "original" copy of your picture. Before now, I've used it quite a bit for organizing images from Picture-CD's but I've always got a backup of the original on both the CD from the lab and, of course, the 35mm negative. But with digital, my original file gets sucked into iPhoto and changed every time I crop it or do anything else to it. Is there a way to make a copy inside of iPhoto so I can have albums of "originals" as well as modified images?

Also the printing didn't seem to want to work with my Epson R300 and some 4x6 photo paper - it kept saying the page was too small for the print. (I'll play with it some more, but that's the kind of stuff iApps are supposed to do for you, isn't it?)

(BTW: Yes, I know I can tell iPhoto to not remove the images from my CF card and then I can copy them off to the HD and/or CD-R)

A friend showed me a Windows app that looks and feels exactly like iPhoto (from my limited exposure to it) and it does maintain a kind of "version control" type of library. Where the original is kept, along with all of the changes you make to the picture. Since CVS/RCS comes with OS X, I wonder if they could integrate it?

When in doubt in OS X, just hold down the control key and mouse click on it (in this case, on the photo). You'll be surprised by how much OS X can do with this little key. In iPhoto, Revert To Original is there, along with other options. Try it in the Finder, Safari, Mail, etc. You can do EVERYTHING with control-click! Apple should make this more clear to new users. I used it just now to check the spelling in this post. OS X rocks.

[dudemac]

THIS **** DOESN'T WORK! I UPDATED IT, and now my iPhoto application icon is now one of those default application icons. Now when I click it, it doesn't load at all. It just dies every click. I don't know what to do but this is the worst thing ever!!!!!!!!!!! Now i can't even open my iPhoto and i don't know how to fix this. Anyone else have this problem? Help!

I did not have the dead program problem. But I have seen it in the apple discussion. It probably would be best if you just trashed the whole program. and its prefs. file. And started over. Re install iLife. Then if you really want to try again download the stand alone installer and try to update it that way. Just because you trash the program doesn't mean the photo's are gone. they are still there, just the program is hosed. Hope this helps.

[jxyama]

"import" tab recognizes the camera/flash card reader much faster now. no more spinning beachball, waiting forever...

[ginjg]

THIS **** DOESN'T WORK! I UPDATED IT, and now my iPhoto application icon is now one of those default application icons. Now when I click it, it doesn't load at all. It just dies every click. I don't know what to do but this is the worst thing ever!!!!!!!!!!! Now i can't even open my iPhoto and i don't know how to fix this. Anyone else have this problem? Help!

Repair permissions. It's recommended whenever you install or update. You can also restart which accomplishes the same task.
This should resolve your problem.

(your photos are still in your pictures folder in your user folder)

[dukemeiser]

Ugh. Still the same old Keyword window that CAN'T BE RESIZED!

[reckless_0001]

THIS **** DOESN'T WORK! I UPDATED IT, and now my iPhoto application icon is now one of those default application icons. Now when I click it, it doesn't load at all. It just dies every click. I don't know what to do but this is the worst thing ever!!!!!!!!!!! Now i can't even open my iPhoto and i don't know how to fix this. Anyone else have this problem? Help!

I restarted after repairing permissions and had the exact same problem... going to reinstall 4.0

[switcher22]

When I saw the post of a new iPhoto I was happy as it is generally a slow application, but when I ran software update nothing came up for me.

When I checked the version on my iPhoto it is only 2.0....I haven't purchased iLife and therefore don't have iPhoto 4.0, am I forever cut out of the iPhoto updating loop unless I buy the iLive suite???

[Snowy_River]

Pressing down Ctrl performs a temporary undo.

Well, yes and no. It does a temporary undo of color change operations, not cropping operations...

[chubad]

When I saw the post of a new iPhoto I was happy as it is generally a slow application, but when I ran software update nothing came up for me.

When I checked the version on my iPhoto it is only 2.0....I haven't purchased iLife and therefore don't have iPhoto 4.0, am I forever cut out of the iPhoto updating loop unless I buy the iLive suite???

Yup. Unless you pony up the $$ for iLife no more iPhoto Updates.

[macboygrey]

Sort of an off topic question, but what ever happened to iPhoto 3?? :confused:

A _VERY_ good question.

[CmdrLaForge]

So, I come on to MacRumors, see the headline "Apple released iPhoto 4.0.1 today in your Software Update:" but then notice it already has 21 negative votes. Uh oh, I say to myself, I wonder what's wrong with it. I read through these posts, see no real complaints, and am now scratching my head. Why the negative votes?


I had exactly the same question. And after reading through the thread I am still wondering. Maybe because you have to purchase it.

[Zaty]

Sort of an off topic question, but what ever happened to iPhoto 3?? :confused:

They just skipped version 3 of iPhoto so that in iLive '04 all apps (except Garageband) would be version 4.

[IMAGJE]

just another info for those deciding on when to do the update process. :)

[JFreak]

1700 photos (3gb total) converted in 8 minutes by powerbook 1.25ghz. this is far less than it took to make a backup sitx of the photo library.

[IMAGJE]

1700 photos (3gb total) converted in 8 minutes by powerbook 1.25ghz. this is far less than it took to make a backup sitx of the photo library.

Ok, now the last little bit of convincing me to buy a faster computer has happened. :D PowerMac G5 Dual 2.5 GHz where are you??

[sinisterdesign]

BTW: That Windows software is at www.picasa.net. It's pretty sweet; a great solution for any of you Windoze users until you get a Mac! ;)


wow, did anyone else check out that PC software eric was talking about? holy iPhoto RIP. their tagline is "the software that should have come w/ your digital camera." how about, "the software that should have come w/ your computer...had you bought a Mac".

it looks like someone ported iPhoto to windows, took the blue out of the buttons & changed the name. i'm surprised they didn't call it "iPicasa"...

[ThomasJefferson]

Diversionary tactic.
Show us the hardware Steve.
You can't buy us off any longer.
The peasants are angry and they're carrying pitchforks.

[IMAGJE]

wow, did anyone else check out that PC software eric was talking about? holy iPhoto RIP. ...
it looks like someone ported iPhoto to windows, took the blue out of the buttons & changed the name. i'm surprised they didn't call it "iPicasa"...

jeez - looks like the "2nd best application ever written for windows" :eek:
it does have movie support though... if they copied from Steve's crew, let's hope they copy that part "back" in iPhoto 4.015 next tuesday ;)

[AppleMatt]

Repair permissions. It's recommended whenever you install or update. You can also restart which accomplishes the same task.
This should resolve your problem.

(your photos are still in your pictures folder in your user folder)

Yeah good point for everyone, the 4.01 update breaks a few symbolic links so make sure you repair permissions after installing

:)

AppleMatt

[encro]

Ugh. Still the same old Keyword window that CAN'T BE RESIZED!

You're not using the Keyword Assistant.plugin (http://homepage.mac.com/kenferry/software.html) are you? no wonder you are experiencing major sadness.

[iChan]

iChan

Just goes to show how much better the 1.25 is than the 667. Aghhh . . .

still not fast enough though... come on you godddamn G5PB!!!

[iChan]

dang, that's sweet!!

i was about to mention that reverting to original is not un-doable... but this will definitely help! (it's just temporary, i.e. while holding down control, right?)

well... if you do two or more steps, like crop, turn to sepia, adjust bightness etc... holding the ctrl key only reverts you back to the previous state, not the original.

[iChan]

Sort of an off topic question, but what ever happened to iPhoto 3?? :confused:

i can't be sure, but i presume apple just wanted to unify the product numbers of their iLife applications... itunes 4, imovie 4, iphoto 4, idvd 4, for ilife 04... however, garageband throws this theory totally askew... so... i don't really know for sure.

[iChan]

I don't think I've checked this myself since I upgraded to iPhoto 4, but...

... in previous versions (and, I expect in iPhoto 4) you can export a slideshow (or maybe simply a batch of photos, not a real slideshow?) to Quicktime. Then presumably you could just take the resulting Quicktime file and burn it in iDVD.

Only problem I can see with the idea I've presented here is that video is lo-res... 640x480... I'm not sure what that means for the photos (cropped or resized to lower pixel density).

Did this make any sense? It's been a long day...
:o


images are resized to your specification...
you are right about being able to burn the resulting file in iDVD.

there should probably be an option to choose the transition...

if you can't live without the cube transition... use keynote to organise your photos and then export as a quicktime movie... or use snapz pro x...

toast does slideshows too...

[iChan]

That makes sense. Thanks. I am looking at it now. You are right about the export resolution, but it looks like it is adjustable. I am going to try playing around with it. ;-)

the default photo resolution when exporting an a QT movie are very good for standard televisions.

[iChan]

Well, yes and no. It does a temporary undo of color change operations, not cropping operations...

it does do a temp undo of crop operations... but only if other operations were not performed

[iChan]

A _VERY_ good question.

another theory of mine is that it was _SO_ good that they felt it warranted a bigger jump in version number... hehe

i think there is evidence of this with other programs... where a version was a developed, but an even better version was developed after that... but without enough time to release the previous version. something like that? who knows?

[iChan]

wow, did anyone else check out that PC software eric was talking about? holy iPhoto RIP. their tagline is "the software that should have come w/ your digital camera." how about, "the software that should have come w/ your computer...had you bought a Mac".

it looks like someone ported iPhoto to windows, took the blue out of the buttons & changed the name. i'm surprised they didn't call it "iPicasa"...

picasa deos look very good... with some neat little features... like the hello... similar to email though isn;t it? can't be sure.

very tidy looking for a windows app...

[jsw]

Yeah good point for everyone, the 4.01 update breaks a few symbolic links so make sure you repair permissions after installing

:)

AppleMatt

Shouldn't Apple make permission repair part of the installation process? It seems like you almost always have to do it afterwards - why not make it happen automatically? Optimizing...repairing...done. Or optimizing...rebooting...repairing...done.

[Josh]

That picasa app is pretty nice - I just downloaded it.

Its a little buggy though - not in the sense that it doesnt work, but its just very glitchy.

Windows and insanely smooth graphics do not play well together.

The timeline feature is CRAZY - but its blury for somereason.

I still like iPhoto better :D

[jelwell]

8599 photos, 3 hours to update thumbnails.

I wish the 100$ (Purchased iLife 03 and 04) I've spent on iPhoto amounted to an application that was usable. I don't think Apple has it in them to speed this application up much anymore. Now what I need is something like iPhoto Library but built into the application - that allows me to transfer out all my old photos so that iPhoto can run lean and mean once again.
Joseph Elwell.

[hiltmon]

I am no on my mac at the moment but I do remember seeing that iPhoto stores the original (if modified) in a subdirectory. Have a poke around in Finder for them.

[Mudbug]

"might take a while to update thumbnails" is a bit of an understatement...

just for the record, it took 18 minutes, not the two billion plus hours it warned me about... :D

[Brent Earlson]

I did the update and everything appeared to be fine, until I started looking at my smart folders. The ones that I used the "any" when I had more than one rule set, show me my entire library instead of just "any" of the set rules.


I was having the same problem with "Any" in some of my Smart Albums... I found a workaround! (using 4.0.1)

I've got some pictures with the keyword "Family" assigned and others with the keyword "Relatives". I created an album to get all of my family assembled by creating the criteria (using the any option)... "Keyword is Family, Keyword is Relatives". Initially the smart album returned all images in my library...

I then created an empty album (just named it "Empty") and added a third criteria to my Smart Album... "Album is Empty". I don't know why this works... but it does. The smart album now has the proper result only including photos with either the Family or Relatives keyword.

Kinda ugly, but who cares... I'm getting the results I wanted!

[SilentPanda]

8599 photos, 3 hours to update thumbnails.

I wish the 100$ (Purchased iLife 03 and 04) I've spent on iPhoto amounted to an application that was usable. I don't think Apple has it in them to speed this application up much anymore. Now what I need is something like iPhoto Library but built into the application - that allows me to transfer out all my old photos so that iPhoto can run lean and mean once again.
Joseph Elwell.

If it suits you you can burn photos you don't use to CD/DVD and then remove them from iPhoto. Then when you pop the CD/DVD in the drive it should show up in iPhoto no problem. Or so I've heard.

[jxyama]

8599 photos, 3 hours to update thumbnails.

I wish the 100$ (Purchased iLife 03 and 04) I've spent on iPhoto amounted to an application that was usable. I don't think Apple has it in them to speed this application up much anymore. Now what I need is something like iPhoto Library but built into the application - that allows me to transfer out all my old photos so that iPhoto can run lean and mean once again.
Joseph Elwell.

ouch. but thumbnail updating is a one time thing... i personally find iPhoto 4 to be quite usable, but again, i don't have 8000+ photos. (that may put you in a not-so-consumer photographer category... not iPhoto's "intended" audience...)

i have my 2000+ photos split into three libraries chronologically (about 700 to 1000 each) using iPhoto Library Manager. smooth as silk. before, with iPhoto 2, i had to make each library about 200 pics to make it "usable."

[oingoboingo]

ouch. but thumbnail updating is a one time thing... i personally find iPhoto 4 to be quite usable, but again, i don't have 8000+ photos. (that may put you in a not-so-consumer photographer category... not iPhoto's "intended" audience...)

i have my 2000+ photos split into three libraries chronologically (about 700 to 1000 each) using iPhoto Library Manager. smooth as silk. before, with iPhoto 2, i had to make each library about 200 pics to make it "usable."

I seem to remember Steve saying in the January Macworld keynote that Apple had reworked iPhoto 4 to cope with up to 20,000 photos comfortably.

[jxyama]

I seem to remember Steve saying in the January Macworld keynote that Apple had reworked iPhoto 4 to cope with up to 20,000 photos comfortably.

yeah, i know. but obviously, it depends on the size of each pic. i have a 3 MP camera, 20,000 pics would be ~20 GB. i don't know how iPhoto works, but i know it won't handle (nor do i expect it to**) a library that's half my HD.

i'm sure it can handle 20,000 pics if they are all low-resolution, 640x480 pics.

i wish he had quantified it a little better, like assuming 750 KB each or something. (like how capacity of iPod is defined - 10,000 songs assuming 128 kbps, 4 min. per song.)

**i say i don't expect it because it just sounds unreasonable and feels like i'm desparately grabbing every one of steve's words. it's rather silly. keynote is a show he's putting on. he will exaggerate things. he will make some outlandish remarks. that's why i thought it was hilarious people getting pissed around august last year because some people kept on saying how it was the "year of the laptop" but no 15" Al had been released. to me, he said "year of the laptop" because it was january and he just introduced two additional sized laptops - nothing more, nothing less. i didn't expect that statement to mean more laptops would be coming out in the year. i just took it for what it was at the time. fortunately, i was wrong and more laptops were introduced in 2003 - but i didn't get all upset about it being "late." ;) )

[Snowy_River]

yeah, i know. but obviously, it depends on the size of each pic. i have a 3 MP camera, 20,000 pics would be ~20 GB. i don't know how iPhoto works, but i know it won't handle (nor do i expect it to**) a library that's half my HD.

i'm sure it can handle 20,000 pics if they are all low-resolution, 640x480 pics.

i wish he had quantified it a little better, like assuming 750 KB each or something. (like how capacity of iPod is defined - 10,000 songs assuming 128 kbps, 4 min. per song.)

**i say i don't expect it because it just sounds unreasonable and feels like i'm desparately grabbing every one of steve's words. it's rather silly. keynote is a show he's putting on. he will exaggerate things. he will make some outlandish remarks. that's why i thought it was hilarious people getting pissed around august last year because some people kept on saying how it was the "year of the laptop" but no 15" Al had been released. to me, he said "year of the laptop" because it was january and he just introduced two additional sized laptops - nothing more, nothing less. i didn't expect that statement to mean more laptops would be coming out in the year. i just took it for what it was at the time. fortunately, i was wrong and more laptops were introduced in 2003 - but i didn't get all upset about it being "late." ;) )

Based on how I suspect iPhoto works, it is about number, not size. Assume that iPhoto creates its own DB which contains the thumbnails and paths of all of your photos. When you launch iPhoto, it opens its DB, never touching your actual photos. When you want to look at a particular photo, iPhoto opens up that one photo. So, iPhoto doesn't care about how big your photos are, but the number of photos would effect the size (and speed) of the iPhoto DB, which would effect the performance. I think that Steve probably meant what he said.

P.S. If you're going to have 20,000 3MP picts, I'd recommend getting a larger hard drive. ;)

[Brent Earlson]

I seem to remember Steve saying in the January Macworld keynote that Apple had reworked iPhoto 4 to cope with up to 20,000 photos comfortably.

Actually, not only did Steve say something along those lines in his keynote, the Apple site still mentions this... "25,000 Photos. Zero Waiting." I don't have anything close to this amount, but I can attest that my 8400+ library filling many GB on my disk (they're all at least 3MP images) flys along in iPhoto 4.

[jxyama]

Based on how I suspect iPhoto works, it is about number, not size. Assume that iPhoto creates its own DB which contains the thumbnails and paths of all of your photos. When you launch iPhoto, it opens its DB, never touching your actual photos. When you want to look at a particular photo, iPhoto opens up that one photo. So, iPhoto doesn't care about how big your photos are, but the number of photos would effect the size (and speed) of the iPhoto DB, which would effect the performance. I think that Steve probably meant what he said.

P.S. If you're going to have 20,000 3MP picts, I'd recommend getting a larger hard drive. ;)

ah, given the thumbnail "rebuilding" that came along with the update, you are probably right...

i don't mind split libraries, even if singular library didn't slow things down. it keeps things organized... (i do with it was built in, though.)

[michael_aos]

My 2x1.25Ghz, 768MB PowerMac G4 has been sitting with "about 5 minutes remaining" for nearly 24hrs.

I've killed it and started over a couple times, but you get the idea. It never finishes. Starts out about 11minutes, 9, 8, about 5....then I get the little spinning color-wheel and it never comes back.

HELP!

Mike

[mikelapner]

Did you get iphoto 4.0.1 to work yet? Having the same problem myself.

[sxtxixtxcxh]

This might be a coincidence, but my guess is this update came out at this time because of a problem of which I had the privilege to experience. Last week when I updated from OS 10.3.2 to 10.3.3, iPhoto would no longer load properly. It would show the window briefly without showing any pictures, then the application would encounter an unexpected error and quit. I sent in some bug reports to Apple and now, after the update, it works just fine again (well, okay it works better than before). I don't know if anyone else out there experienced the same thing.
- Ti Powerbook 400Mhz

i had the same problem on x.3.3

sucks because i lost all my film rolls when i rebuilt the library before the update came out..
then last night, iphoto started doing the same thing..
so.. in the process of looking for an iphoto replacement, i find out iphoto was updated.. and working (for now anyway)

2800+ photos from a canon elph s400..
i wish there was a way to get the film rolls back.
or at least done automatically based on date... /me sighs...

stupid me didn't do a back up of the whole iphoto library. just a back up of the dated photo folders.. (2001,2002,2003,2004 ... etc... )

[michael_aos]

Shouldn't Apple make permission repair part of the installation process? It seems like you almost always have to do it afterwards - why not make it happen automatically? Optimizing...repairing...done. Or optimizing...rebooting...repairing...done.

What permissions? On what file(s), dir(s) or link(s)?

Mike

[MacsAreNeato]

I had trouble with 4.0.1 at first -- generic icon, failed launch. I repaired permissions through Disk Utility and restarted several times. When I right-clicked on iPhoto and chose "show package contents", I could see that I was still locked out permission-wise.

Here's how I got it to work: duplicate the iPhoto application. Trash the original. Rename "iPhoto copy" to "iPhoto." Everything worked as planned from there.

p.s. ~2000 pictures: ~30 minutes (dual 533 w/ 640mb RAM)

Hope this works for you.

[reckless_0001]

***************
AFTER YOU RE-INSTALL iPhoto 4.0
to get rid of the generic icon in the dock...
first remove it from the dock.*POOF* then "get info" on your iPhoto Application (iPhoto.app). Next, click once on the icon in the get info window. press command+C (copy), then press "delete"(icon disappears), then command+p (paste). The icon should reappear. then close get info window. Finally.... re-add the iPhoto icon to the dock. FIXED..i hope:)

I hope I didn't miss anything as I typed this by memory.
***************

[Donjon]

Did anybody else lose their slideshow transitions?

Yes, me! ;)

Problem: Even after repairing permissions, some remain spoiled.

Solution:
1. Log in as "root"
2. Show "package contend" of iphoto
3. Look in contents/plugIns and locate the four folders CubeTransition.IAPlugin, DissolveTransition.IAPlugin, MosaicFlipTransition.IAPlugin and WipeTransition.IAPlugin.
4. For each folder open info, and change permissions for the admin group to read&write (or only read) and click the "do this all to subfolders" button. Don't know how it's called in English, I use the German OS X :) ).

This worked for our 2 Macs. Hope 4 urs too! :D

[jelloshotsrule]

Based on how I suspect iPhoto works, it is about number, not size. Assume that iPhoto creates its own DB which contains the thumbnails and paths of all of your photos. When you launch iPhoto, it opens its DB, never touching your actual photos. When you want to look at a particular photo, iPhoto opens up that one photo. So, iPhoto doesn't care about how big your photos are, but the number of photos would effect the size (and speed) of the iPhoto DB, which would effect the performance. I think that Steve probably meant what he said.

P.S. If you're going to have 20,000 3MP picts, I'd recommend getting a larger hard drive. ;)

while it might be the number of photos for the thumbnail rebuild, it certainly is not just the number for the speed with which iphoto allows you to view the photos. e.g. i am on a pismo laptop right now. granted, it's going to be slow. but i have some photos that are 36 megs (shot raw and converted to 16 bit tifs). it's painful to view them, as i might expect. however, with a 3 meg picture it's much better... but still a bit slow. then with some pictures sent via email (couple hundred k), it's quick...

even on my g5 at home i notice the difference between a 36 meg tif and a 4 meg jpg...

[legacyb4]

4,279 pics, 36 minutes
10.3.3, 12" 1Ghz, 768MB

[toughboy]

I love updates..

got faster..

still not free, but I'm not expecting it to be free anymore.. well, its their game, they just updated it, and I love to play it with my new cat (Panther)

[dudemac]

I then created an empty album (just named it "Empty") and added a third criteria to my Smart Album... "Album is Empty". I don't know why this works... but it does. The smart album now has the proper result only including photos with either the Family or Relatives keyword.
!

Thanks I have been playing around with it to see what things do and don't work. I hadn't tried adding a third rule to see if that fixed things. If this works, it will save me a lot of headache.

:D

[prewwii]

Cool. I am starting to get my wife involved using iPhoto.
I love the interface, but have two gripes with the program in general.
1) iPhoto print service prices are double that of Ofoto (which is where the prints come from)

and

2) iPhoto cant deal with archived photos on removeable media like CDs or DVDRs. It would be sweet if it would create the thumbnail and keep the meta information for the image, allowing searching. But prompted for media when you wished to see the full image. Unless you had "enhanced" or cropped an image. Then a local copy would be acceptable.

Until then, I have to stick with my ancient copy of Extensis Portfolio (my version cant read exif info from digital camera photos :( )

I am not as fired up about iPhoto as some so I have looked for other apps that do functions that I need. For format conversion and several other funtions try GraphicConverter.

When I have found a problem with GraphicConverter the author is very responsive.

My main dislike of iPhoto is its inability to organize photo's. Here is the situation I would like solved. Take a trip and go through several towns. Stay in some of them long enough to shoot hundreds of shots in various settings. Now using iPhoto organize those pictures. Trips/year/towns/individual groupings. So far I can not get iPhoto below the Trips.

The second complaint is, I think, a design flaw. One main repository of all the photo's. Guaranteed to get slower with usage and seems to serve no purpose. The OS file system is much better at organizing files and can access from remote devices, CD and DVD's.

Lots of programs have enhancing photo features so what is the stand out feature(s) of iPhoto?

[michael_aos]

My 2x1.25Ghz G4 just never finished converting the thumbnails.

I finally put my iPhoto library on a firewire drive and walked it downstairs. Pointed my iMac G4 to it -- converted fine. Wrote the whole library to a DVD.

I re-installed iPhoto 4.0 on the PowerMac. Works fine. I can point it to the "upgraded" dir on the firewire drive. Works fine. Upgrade to 4.01 -- hangs forever again.

Installed iPhoto 4.0 AGAIN, let it create a brand-new iPhoto library on another drive. Works. Upgrade to 4.01 -- hangs forever! And this is on a new dir with 0 pictures.

Intalled iPhoto 4.0 AGAIN, upgraded immediately, let 4.0.1 create a brand new dir -- STILL hangs.

I've rebooted. Turned off FileVault. Repaired permissions.

No matter what I do, 4.0.1 just hangs.

:mad:

[Dale Sorel]

I just updated a library with >750 pics with no problems :)

[stcanard]

My main dislike of iPhoto is its inability to organize photo's. Here is the situation I would like solved. Take a trip and go through several towns. Stay in some of them long enough to shoot hundreds of shots in various settings. Now using iPhoto organize those pictures. Trips/year/towns/individual groupings. So far I can not get iPhoto below the Trips.

[snip]

Lots of programs have enhancing photo features so what is the stand out feature(s) of iPhoto?

Oddly, the reason I use iPhoto is it's unique ability to organize photos.

If I want all the photos from that vacation to Hawaii in 2003 I create a smart album for all keyword "Hawaii" in 2003. It I only want the second roll of film I shot in Maui, same deal.

If I want an album of all the photos of my son, I create an smart album with his name as a keyword. It catches all the photos of him in Hawaii too, so now I don't have to worry about where to file those photos or about duplicating photos.

Using albums, titles, dates, and keywords it is farily easy to do what you want with the photos. Complaining you can't organize them is kind of like complaining that iTunes renames your songs and changes the directory structure -- in my opinion it's clinging to an outmoded method of organization -- the one offered is so much more flexible!

And yes, I know the smart albums in iPhoto is still sketchy -- but it is already good enough for daily use and I expect it to get better fast.

[JFreak]

iphoto can be made better - for example it could have sub-albums.

[Daveman Deluxe]

Sub-albums would be a pain in the butt, but I would like to create folders of albums.

Most of my photos in iPhoto are photos of houses for the real estate place I work at, but I've got a few for my dad's band, and a handful that I keep around for myself... would like to be able to separate them.

[Snowy_River]

***************
AFTER YOU RE-INSTALL iPhoto 4.0
to get rid of the generic icon in the dock...
first remove it from the dock.*POOF* then "get info" on your iPhoto Application (iPhoto.app). Next, click once on the icon in the get info window. press command+C (copy), then press "delete"(icon disappears), then command+p (paste). The icon should reappear. then close get info window. Finally.... re-add the iPhoto icon to the dock. FIXED..i hope:)

I hope I didn't miss anything as I typed this by memory.
***************

If anyone wants a custom iPhoto icon with one of their own photos and their camera, let me know and I'll build it for them! See mine:

[simspa]

Apple released iPhoto 4.0.1 today in your Software Update:



Photo 4 was originally released with iLife '04 (http://www.macrumors.com/pages/2004/01/20040114143204.shtml) in January.


It's great that you can now order prints in the UK - just a shame that you have to upgrade to iPhoto4.

[aftk2]

Complaining you can't organize them is kind of like complaining that iTunes renames your songs and changes the directory structure -- in my opinion it's clinging to an outmoded method of organization -- the one offered is so much more flexible!

Man, you are so right. When iTunes for Windows shipped, a friend of mine, who's always really liked Macs but has used Windows for ages, downloaded iTunes and started using it as his MP3 player. Having used Winamp for a really long time, he was very much used to using the Windows filesystem as his method of mp3 organization. Once I showed him how you can use the live search field in the upper righthand corner his jaw dropped.

Slowly, however, these Windows folk - they learn. ;) I was over a couple weeks ago and noticed he had finally tagged all of his MP3s correctly, and was utilizing smart playlists.

[IMAGJE]

It's great that you can now order prints in the UK - just a shame that you have to upgrade to iPhoto4.

:confused:
the whining about a superb application for $49 is more shameful imho. don't get me wrong, I also "wish" it was free and I'm another one of those who don't really use anything else in the package except iPhoto, but I had paid $89 for it alone too now that my 400 MHz G4 rocks with iPhoto again. But even thought we probably all wished everythign was free in this world, especially quality products, it won't happen so get ovet it.

plus I'd rather contribute with a small amount for a great app which helps Apple contniue to focus on delivering working, time-saving solutions, be it computers or software, and hopefully both as they have done so far. get yourself in the position - would you program for free for two years? probably not. when you reach a good application which in a similar setup is sold at other vendors/companies (Adobe PS Album), would you be somewhat dumb if you would NOT sell it?

please don't feel personally offended as I have no intention to follow this discusson up, others have done so plentyful in other threads it's not even funny. best regards.

[karld]

I got my first real tast of iPhoto this weeked and am bit put off by the fact that it doesn't keep an "original" copy of your picture.

Actually, iPhoto does a great job of keeping the originals, though it is not apparent at first. If you change a photo, a sub-directory named 'Originals' is created in the photo's directory, and the original is placed in there.

Under File, there is a "Revert to Original" menu item which will throw out the modified picture, and replace it with the original.

Note, however, that pictures which are thrown out are not saved.

-Karl

[Urdam]

I agree