iPhone OS 3.0 Beta References Four Unknown Products

[MacRumors]

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Ars Technica reports (http://arstechnica.com/apple/news/2009/03/more-evidence-arises-for-future-iphone-models-in-latest-beta.ars) that a property list file in the iPhone OS 3.0 beta reveals the existence of four unknown products. The file references products known as "iPhone3,1", "iPod3,1", "iFPGA", and "iProd0,1".

These products are listed in addition to entries for the existing two iPhone models (known as "iPhone1,1" and "iPhone1,2") and two iPod touch models (known as "iPod1,1" and "iPod2,1"). An entry for another unknown model, "iPhone2,1" was discovered in January (http://www.macrumors.com/2009/01/28/next-generation-iphone-model-revealed-in-firmware/) in the iPhone OS 2 software and revealed to have been spotted on ad delivery networks (http://www.macrumors.com/2009/01/29/a-few-more-details-about-iphone-21/) as early as October 2008. That model is also listed in the iPhone 3.0 property list file.The file, /System/Library/AppleUSBDevice/USBDeviceConfiguration.plist, lists details about the USB configuration of the various iPhone and iPod touch models, as well as the device ID and product names. The same file in iPhone OS 2.2.1 lists the original iPhone, iPhone 3G, and first- and second-gen iPod touches, referred to as iPhone1,1; iPhone1,2; iPod1,1; and iPod2,1 respectively. It also lists an unknown iPhone model, labelled iPhone2,1, which starting turning up in web server logs as far back as October 2008.

In addition to these references, USBDeviceConfiguration.plist in iPhone OS 3.0 beta contains references to iPhone3,1; iPod3,1; iFPGA; and iProd0,1. All of the products are assigned unique productID numbers, though all are assigned a productString of iPhone. These details are reported to Mac OS X when the devices are plugged in via USB, and would show up in System Profiler, for instance.Steven Troughton-Smith, who spotted the entries, is the same developer who activated tethering (http://www.macrumors.com/2009/03/18/usb-tethering-working-on-iphone-3-0/) on the iPhone OS 3.0 beta yesterday. He speculates that "iFPGA" may be a device that utilizes a field-programmable gate array (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Field-programmable_gate_array). The numbering designation of "0,1" for the "iProd" device may signify that it is a prototype device of an unknown type.

No other details on the products have been discovered, and there is no word on when or if they may be ready for release.

Article Link: iPhone OS 3.0 Beta References Four Unknown Products (http://www.macrumors.com/2009/03/19/iphone-os-3-0-beta-references-four-unknown-products/)

[chrmjenkins]

Sweet, my submission made it in. Let the speculation about iphone 3.1 and iprod 0,1 begin :D

[TimmyDee]

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_xhT5uUnSPkA/Rj6fpbfjGpI/AAAAAAAABGY/Yp4BOhV6Ot4/s320/CattleProd.jpg

iProd.

[bigbadnewill]

Sounds exciting. I guess its all more evidence of a likely upgrade to iPhone hardware in summer, which i realllllly want!!!

[Elektronkind]

The "iProd" is either a cattle prod version of the iPod suitable for farm workers, or some new iPod hardware designed specifically for the Korea/Japan/China market.

/dale

[koobcamuk]

Wow, some devs really are keen. Amazing work.

[TuffLuffJimmy]

So we're finally getting a netbook, or more likely a tablet... neat!

[Consultant]

iProd.

I would get one of those.

"hey is that one of those i[kiddy insult]?"

No, it's the iProd!!! Zap!

[NT1440]

Seems to me that iprod may be apples generic code name.

[bstreiff]

'iFPGA' is probably just a FPGA-based prototype device-- something that they haven't yet built an ASIC for.

This image (http://images.anandtech.com/reviews/gadgets/iPhone/dissected/mb1.jpg) shows two large Apple-labeled chips (processor and video chipset?). I'd guess that PA Semi is working on combining those two, and the developers are just using a FPGA-based prototype so they're not stuck waiting on ASICs to be finished.

[bytethese]

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_xhT5uUnSPkA/Rj6fpbfjGpI/AAAAAAAABGY/Yp4BOhV6Ot4/s320/CattleProd.jpg

iProd.

LOL. Glad to see I'm not the only one who caught that one.

[derryquinn]

If iPhone 3G was 1,2 then iPhone 3,1 must be a HUUUGE hardware change, no? :eek:

I hope so :D

*Excitement!*

[3goldens]

I will now wait before diving into another OQO, the possibility of a "netbook" from mac irresistible!

Though we know it will not be called a netbook...

My personal opinion is it will be a larger Iphone/Ipod with a 7-9 inch display and a keyboard.

[ricosuave]

iProd?

perhaps an iPhone pro.

[SkippyThorson]

My guess is this:

One new iPod Touch
Two new iPhones
New Touch Tablet
Unannounced NetBook
Unannounced Compact Personal Tazer

Timmy broke news on the Tazer. Nice work Timmy.

Boom. All the newbies are now happy. :)

[mmzplanet]

If iPhone 3G was 1,2 then iPhone 3,1 must be a HUUUGE hardware change, no? :eek:

I hope so :D

*Excitement!*

I was wondering the same thing

[plumbingandtech]

What?!!!?

iPree?

what is that about?

[avigalante]

Seems to me that iprod may be apples generic code name.

Exactly; short for 'iProduct' (the prototype most likely does not have a designated name at this time).

[eddietr]

If iPhone 3G was 1,2 then iPhone 3,1 must be a HUGE hardware change, no?:O

I hope so :D

*Excitement!*

Well, we still haven't seen iPhone 2,1 which has been referenced for a while.

It's possible Apple just put a few things in there for the rumor sites. I can see someone over there saying "iFPGA, there you go! What the over/under on that one showing up at Gizmodo? :D"

[k3v1nc]

Older article... but the 'nickname' is exactly the same...
http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/industry_sectors/technology/article3780257.ece

[NT1440]

If iPhone 3G was 1,2 then iPhone 3,1 must be a HUUUGE hardware change, no? :eek:

I hope so :D

*Excitement!*

There wasnt a very big change to begin with in the hardware from iphone to iphone 3g.

3G
GPS
Curved back


Not exactly massive.

[diddy]

If iPhone 3G was 1,2 then iPhone 3,1 must be a HUUUGE hardware change, no?:O


You're right. I think we can expect significant changes.

Waiting for 3.0, new hardware; Apple has turned Spring in to the longest-seeming season ever.

[eddietr]

Unannounced Compact Personal Tazer

Timmy broke news on the Tazer. Nice work Timmy.

Boom. All the newbies are now happy. :)

the iProd won't be for sale. It's for mall security this time around when they have to deal with all of us nutcases camping out for weeks for the iPhone 2,1. :)

[chrmjenkins]

Please be aware it's possible for two successive hardware generations of iphones to be in testing at the same time (so iphone 2,1 and 3,1 probably won't hit at the same time-- different variations same generation would be 2,1 vs 2,2). We first saw 2,1 back in october according to logs, but 3,1 hasn't appeared yet. 3,1 very well could be a cortex a9 device, as the full product pipeline is about 2 years for one of these cores.

Older article... but the 'nickname' is exactly the same...
http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/industry_sectors/technology/article3780257.ece

prod is a generic shorthand for product. iprod could be anything. However, given it appears in the mobile os files, I'd say it won't be a netbook. I can't imagine an apple netbook without full OSX.

[Jonny75]

So we're finally getting a netbook, or more likely a tablet... neat!

Why do you think the tablet won't also be the netbook?

[dewser35]

If iPhone 3G was 1,2 then iPhone 3,1 must be a HUUUGE hardware change, no? :eek:


I have a feeling they may be keeping the ipod touch and iphone together as a FAMILY of products. The newest touch has a new processor, advancing it to 2,1. I would expect that since these products are so similar, the iphone released this summer will have an even faster processor that the current ipod touch. This would be denoted by the change in the first number of the series. Just a guess... but the internal architecture of the two products are fairly similar.

[JoeDMD]

Or maybe a tablet.

[TuffLuffJimmy]

Why do you think the tablet won't also be the netbook?

I don't it could be both. But I'd rather have a well spec'd tablet than a netbook tablet.

[dewser35]

I have a feeling they may be keeping the ipod touch and iphone together as a FAMILY of products. The newest touch has a new processor, advancing it to 2,1. I would expect that since these products are so similar, the iphone released this summer will have an even faster processor that the current ipod touch. This would be denoted by the change in the first number of the series. Just a guess... but the internal architecture of the two products are fairly similar.

Then again, Apple could have planted this code into their OS to start speculation and rumors, giving them millions of dollars of free advertising in their customer base... I suspect a lot of these so called "leaks" we've seen are actually deliberate.

[Lesser Evets]

Well, this is more possible proof toward a tablet running the iPod/Phone OS.

Boo-hoo's all around. Unless there is some greater capability to it we aren't sure of yet.

[globalhemp]

Mac OS X is best known for its desktop use, also for servers. With iPhone and iPod Touch, we are now aware of Mac OS X used for embedded devices.

In mid-December 2008, it was announced that "Apple is Licensee and Investor of Imagination Technology." This is an important point with regards to "iFPGA", and "iProd0,1"

Embedded devices include all sorts of "gadgets" include, but not limited to the following:

* Digital radio and audio
* Mobile multimedia & Personal Media Players (PMP)
* Car navigation/information
* Mobile Internet Devices (MID) & Ultra-mobile PCs (UMPC)
* Digital TV and Set-top Box (STB)
* Mobile TV

More info on Imagination Technology website (http://www.imgtec.com/)

Global Hemp originally commented on this 4 months ago (http://forums.macrumors.com/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=6781993).

Therefore, I foresee that "iFPGA", and "iProd0,1" refer to one of the products listed above. Time will tell. However, its always best to keep in mind things such as Apple's investment in Fingerworks ... which led to iPhone and iPod Touch. So, ... the investment in Imagination Technology is yet to be seen! Reference to "iFPGA", and "iProd0,1" are most likely the first hints!

[polaris20]

I hope one of them is a mutant iPod Touch. Oh, how I love my iTouch, but wish it were 9" or 10". With a 3G data card.

[macoutu]

iPod3,1 is a iPod with

64GB
GPS with Turn by Turn Navi App
microphone and many more

Yes... :D

[commander.data]

I have a feeling they may be keeping the ipod touch and iphone together as a FAMILY of products. The newest touch has a new processor, advancing it to 2,1. I would expect that since these products are so similar, the iphone released this summer will have an even faster processor that the current ipod touch. This would be denoted by the change in the first number of the series. Just a guess... but the internal architecture of the two products are fairly similar.
It makes sense to me to that Apple may want to resynchronize the model numbers between the iPhone and the iPod Touch. ie. the iPhone 2.1 may have been cancelled or simply just renumbered to iPhone 3.1 to correspond with the next iPod Touch 3.1. If the next iPhone does include completely new internal hardware like a new CPU and GPU, it makes sense to number it 3.1 to completely differentiate it from the lower capabilities of the iPod Touch 2.1.

[dewser35]

Mac OS X is best known for its desktop use, also for servers. With iPhone and iPod Touch, we are now aware of Mac OS X used for embedded devices.

In mid-December 2008, it was announced that "Apple is Licensee and Investor of Imagination Technology." This is an important point with regards to "iFPGA", and "iProd0,1"

Embedded devices include all sorts of "gadgets" include, but not limited to the following:

* Digital radio and audio
* Mobile multimedia & Personal Media Players (PMP)
* Car navigation/information
* Mobile Internet Devices (MID) & Ultra-mobile PCs (UMPC)
* Digital TV and Set-top Box (STB)
* Mobile TV

More info on Imagination Technology website (http://www.imgtec.com/)

Global Hemp originally commented on this 4 months ago (http://forums.macrumors.com/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=6781993).

Therefore, I foresee that "iFPGA", and "iProd0,1" refer to one of the products listed above. Time will tell. However, its always best to keep in mind things such as Apple's investment in Fingerworks ... which led to iPhone and iPod Touch. So, ... the investment in Imagination Technology is yet to be seen! Reference to "iFPGA", and "iProd0,1" are most likely the first hints!

A good point.... and one of the new features available to developers is that the devices can now communicate with OTHER products. So this could be any number of things... perhaps a generic pathway to any sort of connected device.. IE a heart rate monitor or a radio, as demonstrated at the keynote.

[InkMaster]

Then again, Apple could have planted this code into their OS to start speculation and rumors, giving them millions of dollars of free advertising in their customer base... I suspect a lot of these so called "leaks" we've seen are actually deliberate.

Marketing at its best!

[davidbrummy]

Should make the WWDC interesting.

[badcrumble]

Great. Now I'll need to wait a few days after the next iPhone gets announced to be sure it's 3,1 and not 2,1 or I'll have to keep waiting to buy one :D

[j-a-x]

Haha I'm not the only one who thought of a cattle prod when I read "iProd".

[nick9191]

Interesting that the iPhone is called iPhone 1,1 and the iPhone 3G is called iPhone 1,2 instead of iPhone 2,1.

And the fact that it lists iPhone 2,1 (I assume coming this summer) and iPhone 3,1, means that Apple is already working on iPhone 2010.

[iMacmatician]

Ars Technica reports (http://arstechnica.com/apple/news/2009/03/more-evidence-arises-for-future-iphone-models-in-latest-beta.ars) that a property list file in the iPhone OS 3.0 beta reveals the existence of four unknown products. The file references products known as "iPhone3,1", "iPod3,1", "iFPGA", and "iProd0,1".MINI-TABLET TIME!!!! :D

iPhone2,1, iPhone3,1: Upcoming iPhones (low-end and high-end?)
iPod3,1: Upcoming iPod touch
iFPGA: ???
iProd0,1: Prototype of mini-tablet?

The iPhone OS-based mini-tablet was last rumored for release a few months after June/WWDC.

[will-mitch-123]

Apple filed for a patent on the 17th of april last year for a device called iProd
http://www.newscientist.com/blog/technology/uploaded_images/iProd-765814.png
Look for yourself at :
http://www.newscientist.com/blog/technology/2008/04/say-hello-to-iprod.html

[redwin11]

iProd is definitely for a touch-screen laptop of sorts.

"Where's the keyboard?"

"Don't need one, just prod the screen"

Ahem.

[iMacmatician]

Apple filed for a patent on the 17th of april last year for a device called iProd
http://www.newscientist.com/blog/technology/uploaded_images/iProd-765814.png
Look for yourself at :
http://www.newscientist.com/blog/technology/2008/04/say-hello-to-iprod.htmlI don't find "iProd" in the patent link.

Update: Boy Genius Report is also reporting the existence of an "iPod2,2" entry. Engadget is reporting an "iPhone3,0" entry, although it is possible that that is a typo intended to refer to the "iPhone3,1" model.iPod2,2… how interesting.

Haha it looks like I'll have to sort out all these codes. Maybe there will be "low-end" iPod touches and iPhones, as well as "high-end" versions of them. That would make the gap between the iPod touch / iPhone and the mini-tablet smaller.

ArsTechnica also speculates an iPhone nano (as well as a tablet etc.).

[Digitalclips]

Apple filed for a patent on the 17th of april last year for a device called iProd
http://www.newscientist.com/blog/technology/uploaded_images/iProd-765814.png
Look for yourself at :
http://www.newscientist.com/blog/technology/2008/04/say-hello-to-iprod.html

That can now be totally done on an iPhone or iTouch with an app so that's not it!

[chrmjenkins]

I don't find "iProd" in the patent link.

iPod2,2… how interesting.

Haha it looks like I'll have to sort out all these codes. Maybe there will be "low-end" iPod touches and iPhones, as well as "high-end" versions of them. That would make the gap between the iPod touch / iPhone and the mini-tablet smaller.

ArsTechnica also speculates an iPhone nano (as well as a tablet etc.).

Iphone 3,0 isn't implausible, as it's likely just a devboard of sorts.

[Digitalclips]

iProd is definitely for a touch-screen laptop of sorts.

"Where's the keyboard?"

"Don't need one, just prod the screen"

Ahem.

Joking apart, a US letter sized iPod / iPhone type device could have in horizontal mode a two hand virtual keyboard.

[unscriptable]

iFPGA == iFart-Playing Game Accessory

Ah Duh!!!! :D

[will-mitch-123]

Yeah i no it can be done with an app, but why would apple patent a device in april of last year when the touch, and iphone had already been released.
i have no idea what they were up to!

[BlizzardBomb]

iPhone 2,1 - Could be the cheaper iPhone model aimed at the mid-range market, possibly with similar specs to the iPhone 3G.
iPhone 3,1 - The new iPhone we've all been waiting for.
And then the 64 GB touches we've been craving.

I wonder what the real name will be for the next iPhone. Can't really call it iPhone 3 as that could be confused with iPhone 3G. iPhone 3G2? :p

[pohl]

The most fascinating tidbit is iFPGA, which immediately made me think of things like this blog post (http://carpetbomberz.com/2009/03/17/nvidia-pitches-opencl-as-market-builder-•-the-register/), and this (http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/Xplore/login.jsp?url=http%3A%2F%2Fieeexplore.ieee.org%2Fiel5%2F10158%2F32467%2F01515741.pdf%3Farnumber%3D15 15741&authDecision=-203) compiler (http://www.cct.lsu.edu/~estrabd/LACSI2006/workshops/workshop5/tripp.pdf) (which was created using the LLVM framework). I smell a good performance-per-watt accelerator that can be improved with each OS upgrade.

[iMacmatician]

iPhone 2,1 - Could be the cheaper iPhone model aimed at the mid-range market, possibly with similar specs to the iPhone 3G.
iPhone 3,1 - The new iPhone we've all been waiting for.That's basically what I'm thinking, the iPod touch may go in the same direction. Not sure if the iPhone2,1 will be (significantly) smaller though.

[chrmjenkins]

iPhone 2,1 - Could be the cheaper iPhone model aimed at the mid-range market, possibly with similar specs to the iPhone 3G.
iPhone 3,1 - The new iPhone we've all been waiting for.
And then the 64 GB touches we've been craving.

I wonder what the real name will be for the next iPhone. Can't really call it iPhone 3 as that could be confused with iPhone 3G. iPhone 3G2? :p

The product sub-numbers (,x) indicate revisions, not storage distinctions. Otherwise, we'd already have three variants of ipod touch numbers for 8, 16, and 32gb capacities.

[=MuLti-CeLL=]

Sweet, my submission made it in. Let the speculation about iphone 3.1 and iprod 0,1 begin :D

So how do you make a 'submission' then?

Because I posted this thread 38 minutes earlier: http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=671046

And hey! Whadyaknow?! There is a story on the homepage which is very similar! Freaked me out that it was so closely related even!

WOWOMGZWTFBBQ!!!













:D

[amac4me]

Clearly new iPhone models will be out this summer but what else does Apple have up it's sleeve that can run the iPhone OS ... hmmm

Can't wait! :D

[JoshJosh117]

I want either iPod3,1 or whatever one is the 10" tablet. Or both if the tablet is inexpensive.

[WildCowboy]

. . .why would apple patent a device in april of last year when the touch, and iphone had already been released.

They filed the patent in March 2007, before either one was released, although the iPhone had been announced.

[bedifferent]

OK, I know people will dispute this comment as it seems hearsay at best, but...

A friend of mine was visiting mutual friends in Dallas when he met a friend of theirs (follow?). So, during drinks this friend began talking about product development at Apple. It went from "I can't say" to "I'll tell you everything" in a matter of a few martini's. Supposedly this guy mentioned a larger iPhone device. In his description he stated imagine taking the current iPhone, and sliding out the bottom to double the size. Using this form factor, it will create a double sized "tablet" like screen when needed, then slides back to a regular form factor iPhone.

I called b.s. when I heard this story, however with all the talk about new version iPhones and tablets, it might just be a reality.

[plumbingandtech]

If I were apple I would just put all these plists into every release:

1,1
1,2
2,1
2,2
3,1
3,2

.
.
.
.....

10,1
10,2

etc...

[BlizzardBomb]

The product sub-numbers (,x) indicate revisions, not storage distinctions. Otherwise, we'd already have three variants of ipod touch numbers for 8, 16, and 32gb capacities.

I wasn't saying storage distinctions. I was saying specs i.e. how Apple still sell the 2nd gen shuffle and 3rd gen shuffle. So you'd have one iPhone based on the iPhone 3G. Then the new one built almost from scratch.

[8CoreWhore]

Apple is developing a 10" "netbook". But instead of it having its own guts, it will use the iPhone's processing, etc. It will be clamshell. You open it and lay the iPhone down flat where the touch pad would be. It recesses and docks. The netbooks display lights up. The iPhone's screen becomes a custom multi-touch mouse pad. It will be a "pro dock" iPROD. :apple:

[dicklacara]

Well, this is more possible proof toward a tablet running the iPod/Phone OS.

Boo-hoo's all around. Unless there is some greater capability to it we aren't sure of yet.

Why Boo-hoos? There are valid reason for expanding Apple's mobile platform rather than downgrading its laptop platform.

Here's a quote:

"The breadth and depth of the apps that Apple demoed showed capabilities that would simply be impossible on other devices and platforms at the moment."

http://gartenblog.net/2009/03/17/iphone-30-first-take/

With 3.0, the current iPhone and Touch as well as follow-on mobile devices represent something:

-- that anyone can easily use
-- can be held in one hand
-- is always connected to "everything"
-- can already do media, games, ecommerce
-- can be taken anywhere
-- can interface any other devices/accessories (felica, IR, barcode readers, credit card readers, medical equipment, security devices....) through connector, BT

Or, best said in another quote:

"The key is the device's ability to become whatever a user needs."

http://www.forbes.com/2009/03/17/apple-iphone-software-technology-internet-infrastructure-apple.html


This mobile platform is going to leave the computers of today in the dust*


*performing necessary back room and support tasks while tethered to a desk

Dick Applebaum

[chrmjenkins]

So how do you make a 'submission' then?


On the main page, it's literally directly under the "Mac Rumors" tab. "Submit it."

My guess is that it will be merged with your thread eventually.

[UMHurricanes34]

Sure, it's probably just a short code name, but when I read iProd I instantly thought of the those iPhone compatible gloves they were researching.

[tonynibbles]

Surely these are just references to previous firmware revisions?

Why do people think they're entirely different products?

[chrmjenkins]

Surely these are just references to previous firmware revisions?

Why do people think they're entirely different products?

Why would firmware refer to revisions of itself? Past life experiences?

[Rychiar]

I dunno why anyone wants a tablet so bat or a netbook. The iPhone solves all the problems i would ever need a portable low end computer for AND it fits in my pocket. I'd rather they concentrate all their efforts into that form factor:apple:

[=MuLti-CeLL=]

On the main page, it's literally directly under the "Mac Rumors" tab. "Submit it."

My guess is that it will be merged with your thread eventually.

Hey thanks!

I probably made the title of my thread a little confusing and cluttered, seeing as how I only had 23 views and 1 reply in those 30 something odd minutes.

Oh well, no biggie ;)

W00T! New iPhones! Yay!

I called b.s. when I heard this story

You did?

Well, I'll support you by calling BS right now! :D

[jrbeaudry]

All of these upgrades really make it seem like Apple is working on a new touch OS for a MacBook Touch. We are pretty sure they are working on something but with how much time they are working on this and the release date seems like the OS and a New MacBook Touch will be released at the same time sometime this summer.:cool:

[cswiger1]

here's to hoping that one of those works on the verizon network...

i know the "iphone" in its current state cannot, but if it's a different phone (like an iphone HD or nano or whatever) i'm pretty sure it they can get away from AT&T with it.

i doubt it will happen, but i'll hope anyways.

[fleshman03]

Well, this is more possible proof toward a tablet running the iPod/Phone OS.

Boo-hoo's all around. Unless there is some greater capability to it we aren't sure of yet.

Could be both, you know. For a tablet, the ability to run AppStore apps + Desktop apps would be Boss and/or premo. (I just wanted to use those two words that way, but you get what I'm saying.)

Although you and I both want very different things from a tablet. I personally still think it'll run iPhone OS 3.0 + Desktop OSX. Mainly what I want is a Dell Mini 9 class computer with 10" touch screen priced at $600. You want a stand alone computer. :D

Well see what happens. Truth be told, we won't know which one of us will be buying until we see what they release.

Although let us both agree that mobile iWork/iLife is needed all around?

So how do you make a 'submission' then?

Because I posted this thread 38 minutes earlier: http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=671046

And hey! Whadyaknow?! There is a story on the homepage which is very similar! Freaked me out that it was so closely related even!

WOWOMGZWTFBBQ!!!
:D

Join (http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?p=7306826#post7306826) the Club (http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?p=7300331#post7300331)

Mine date back to Yesterday @ 1:30. Both threads died a sad death...

[iOrlando]

He speculates that "iFPGA" may be a device that utilizes a field-programmable gate array. The numbering designation of "0,1" for the "iProd" device may signify that it is a prototype device of an unknown type

can someone re-say for the non-tech geek person?? I have no clue what that means

[guzhogi]

If you guys really want a tablet Mac, go to
http://eshop.macsales.com/shop/Modbook

[iMacmatician]

Although let us both agree that mobile iWork/iLife is needed all around?Another vote for mobile (iPhone OS) iLife/iWork.

[Aegelward]

I keep wondering if apple is going to divide the iPhone range up a bit, for diversification.

I.E.


iPhone Pro - not a buisness phone, rather it has a 8+ megapixel camera, a proper flash and a mini version of iphoto included (possibly pay-to-upgrade software for the basic model)
iPhone Classic, basically the iPhone we know now
(crazy out there mode) iPhone Flip, compact model of iphone, idea A: is it's two screens that can open up in portrait or landscape configurations. idea B is it's basically a OS X version of the blackberry pearl flip

[drtimphd]

It was revealed today that the merger talks between Apple
and Cray are continuing. Apple has agreed to add Cray
developed Field Programable Gate Arrays (FPGAs) to their next
generations iPhone. This will enable each iPhone to have
a peak performance of 2.35 TeraFlops. A 1 PetaFlop machine,
or PetaPhone can then be created by networking 425 iPhones.

Like the IBM Bluegene machines, different types of network
traffic will be handled by the multiple networks available
on the iPhone. Point to Point communication will be handled
over WiFi while collective communications will us Bluetooth.

Cray, in turn agreed to rename its CX1 the iCray and now
support OSX, dropping Windows.

[iMacmatician]

If you guys really want a tablet Mac, go to
http://eshop.macsales.com/shop/ModbookThis is more about an iPhone OS mini-tablet rather than a Mac OS X tablet.

[BTW]

Sounds like Apple is busy making us a batch of goodies. Maybe we'll get two iPhone models this June, a Netbook with the iPhone OS (Kindle size), and a new iPod Touch model. Sweet! :cool:

[NT1440]

I keep wondering if apple is going to divide the iPhone range up a bit, for diversification.

I.E.


iPhone Pro - not a buisness phone, rather it has a 8+ gigapixel camera, a proper flash and a mini version of iphoto included (possibly pay-to-upgrade software for the basic model)
iPhone Classic, basically the iPhone we know now
(crazy out there mode) iPhone Flip, compact model of iphone, idea A: is it's two screens that can open up in portrait or landscape configurations. idea B is it's basically a OS X version of the blackberry pearl flip

Gigapixels?

Really?:p

[chrmjenkins]

He speculates that "iFPGA" may be a device that utilizes a field-programmable gate array. The numbering designation of "0,1" for the "iProd" device may signify that it is a prototype device of an unknown type

can someone re-say for the non-tech geek person?? I have no clue what that means

A field-programmable gata array is a reconfigurable device that allows you to program in different circuit configurations. You could make a memory unit, an arithmetic unit etc. The larger ones could emulate complex devices such as logic cores. Basically, it could be ANYTHING. The only limiting factor is the capability of the FPGA they are using.

iprod is just a generic name, and the 0,1 names signifies a prototype of some sort. Only 1 or higher devices are actually production models.

[iMacmatician]

Gigapixels?

Really?:pBring on 115200x72000!

A field-programmable gata array is a reconfigurable device that allows you to program in different circuit configurations. You could make a memory unit, an arithmetic unit etc. The larger ones could emulate complex devices such as logic cores. Basically, it could be ANYTHING. The only limiting factor is the capability of the FPGA they are using.Wow, that's awesome. I want to see what Apple can come up with using those.

[1984]

First there was the rumor of a handheld device that was like the iPhone but 1.5x larger. The more recent rumor suggest a 10" tablet device. With all these identifiers in OS 3.0 maybe both rumors are true! :)

[Aegelward]

Gigapixels?

Really?:p

Okay, fine >_> fixed

[tonynibbles]

Why would firmware refer to revisions of itself?

Why wouldn't it?

[fleshman03]

Bring on 115200x72000!


You're just going to have to make due with a 33MP camera @ a cost of $20,000
The RAW files this sensor spits out are around 67MB, with a 16-bit TIFF weighing in at 190MB.
Link (http://i.gizmodo.com/5175026/mamiyas-20k-33+megapixel-dl33-medium+format-digital-is-beautiful)

[NT1440]

You're just going to have to make due with a 33MP camera @ a cost of $20,000

I for one welcome my phone crying out in pain and melting when I go to take a picture!

[Sakura Eclair]

Apple filed for a patent on the 17th of april last year for a device called iProd
http://www.newscientist.com/blog/technology/uploaded_images/iProd-765814.png
Look for yourself at :
http://www.newscientist.com/blog/technology/2008/04/say-hello-to-iprod.html

This link along with this other link (http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/industry_sectors/technology/article3780257.ece) that another user previously mentioned in this thread seem to indicate that the "iProd" is related to an exercise platform . Most likely an accessory to perform as a Personal trainer. This may also explain why this product is identified as "iProd 0,1" instead of "iProd 1,1". The fact that a "0" is in front it would lead me to believe that this is not a device, but a supplement (accessory).

These references lead me to the following product line:

"iPhone1,1":Original iPhone
"iPhone1,2": iPhone 3G
"iPod1,1": iPod touch 1Gen
"iPod2,1": iPod Tocuh 2Gen
"iPhone2,1": New iPhone: discovered back in October. This will most likely be an updated capacity iPhone (32GB) with video capability, possibly a better camera (5 MP)
"iPod 3,1" New iPod Touch 3Gen: this will also be higher capacity (64Gb) and possibly GPS and camera added (one of both). I'm speculating that GPS will be added because how much CoreLocation was featured in the presentation on Tuesday.
"iPhone3,1": This will most likely be the rumored "10" touchscreen device they are working on. Per the rumors, this device would be unveiled until the 4Q, so Idon't expect a new device this summer to correspond to this reference.
"iFPGA": Since this reference doesn't have any numbering to it, it doesn't seem to reference a device at all. This maybe the technology that permit all of these devices to communicate with each other as well as 3rd party accessories and devices.

This last point is something that I think a lot of people have missed about the iPhone 3.0 OS announcement. Apple is letting the developers access to the Port, bluetooth. With this I can easily envision an enourmous amount of accesories coming for this platform: wireless keyboards (for those who dislike the touchscreen), joysticks for gaming, Home automation, remote car start, etc.

[Lesser Evets]

Could be both, you know. For a tablet, the ability to run AppStore apps + Desktop apps would be Boss and/or premo.

Although you and I both want very different things from a tablet. I personally still think it'll run iPhone OS 3.0 + Desktop OSX. Mainly what I want is a Dell Mini 9 class computer with 10" touch screen priced at $600. You want a stand alone computer. :D
...
Although let us both agree that mobile iWork/iLife is needed all around?


There is an odd possibility it could be both... but if you think about it for a few seconds, that sounds unlikely and complex for something in a sub-$1000 range. Apple is making this device to most likely hit the netbook market with its own product which stands out quite strongly, so it has to be inexpensive, which means limited software and hardware compared to the full computer line.

I wasn't/am not looking for a stand alone computer, which is hard to define exactly, but was looking for a trim computer that can allow work on the run which can be brought into the floor models for further, more complex, work. Specifically, writing, data, and stylus with limited Photoshop, combined with all the typical iPod type functions dealing with internet, music, video, etc. My hopes were for a large iPod Touch with far wider OS and input. A lot of people want all sorts of ports and such, but if data can go into a computer with a mere dock connector I would be happy enough.

iWork is well needed, iLife not so much since iPod Touches do enough iLife for me. Most likely they won't let you make DVDs or edit videos if this is a limited device.

I'd buy a large, slightly more enabled, iPod Touch 10" Tablet for $599 or less. A MaxiPod for more than that is just not worth it--I'd rather buy the $999 Laptop. If they do make a full OS tablet I would pay more. That's just me, perhaps.

[fleshman03]

I for one welcome my phone crying out in pain and melting when I go to take a picture!

HAHA!

Honestly, I would have thought the file size would have been larger than 200MB.

[PhatBoyG]

A MaxiPod? Really? I'm sure that would be a great product name with no ridicule. :)

[diemos]

This link along with this other link (http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/industry_sectors/technology/article3780257.ece) that another user previously mentioned in this thread seem to indicate that the "iProd" is related to an exercise platform . Most likely an accessory to perform as a Personal trainer. This may also explain why this product is identified as "iProd 0,1" instead of "iProd 1,1". The fact that a "0" is in front it would lead me to believe that this is not a device, but a supplement (accessory).

These references lead me to the following product line:

"iPhone1,1":Original iPhone
"iPhone1,2": iPhone 3G
"iPod1,1": iPod touch 1Gen
"iPod2,1": iPod Tocuh 2Gen
"iPhone2,1": New iPhone: discovered back in October. This will most likely be an updated capacity iPhone (32GB) with video capability, possibly a better camera (5 MP)
"iPod 3,1" New iPod Touch 3Gen: this will also be higher capacity (64Gb) and possibly GPS and camera added (one of both). I'm speculating that GPS will be added because how much CoreLocation was featured in the presentation on Tuesday.
"iPhone3,1": This will most likely be the rumored "10" touchscreen device they are working on. Per the rumors, this device would be unveiled until the 4Q, so Idon't expect a new device this summer to correspond to this reference.
"iFPGA": Since this reference doesn't have any numbering to it, it doesn't seem to reference a device at all. This maybe the technology that permit all of these devices to communicate with each other as well as 3rd party accessories and devices.

This last point is something that I think a lot of people have missed about the iPhone 3.0 OS announcement. Apple is letting the developers access to the Port, bluetooth. With this I can easily envision an enourmous amount of accesories coming for this platform: wireless keyboards (for those who dislike the touchscreen), joysticks for gaming, Home automation, remote car start, etc.

good stuff, though i just hope they add 480x800 screen or just high rez screen to all.

[Enuratique]

Wow, that's awesome. I want to see what Apple can come up with using those.

I could be wrong but I don't think we'll see any FPGAs in consumer products from Apple. They're mostly used in prototypes or reference hardware to aid in rapid development as they don't need to fab an actual chip. Once they find a design they like, they can take the logic inside the FPGA and fab it into a static chip.

[BlizzardBomb]

good stuff, though i just hope they add 480x800 screen or just high rez screen to all.

If Apple kept the aspect ratio the same, it would be a 720x480 which is native DVD resolution. A 4" 720x480 screen would be awesome (more room to type on too so no need for a real keyboard). That isn't to say I don't think that Apple wouldn't release a 800x480 model, but I'm guessing upscaling would be easier for apps if they used 720x480.

[fleshman03]

There is an odd possibility it could be both... but if you think about it for a few seconds, that sounds unlikely and complex for something in a sub-$1000 range. Apple is making this device to most likely hit the netbook market with its own product which stands out quite strongly, so it has to be inexpensive, which means limited software and hardware compared to the full computer line.

I wasn't/am not looking for a stand alone computer, which is hard to define exactly, but was looking for a trim computer that can allow work on the run which can be brought into the floor models for further, more complex, work. Specifically, writing, data, and stylus with limited Photoshop, combined with all the typical iPod type functions dealing with internet, music, video, etc. My hopes were for a large iPod Touch with far wider OS and input. A lot of people want all sorts of ports and such, but if data can go into a computer with a mere dock connector I would be happy enough.

iWork is well needed, iLife not so much since iPod Touches do enough iLife for me. Most likely they won't let you make DVDs or edit videos if this is a limited device.

I'd buy a large, slightly more enabled, iPod Touch 10" Tablet for $599 or less. A MaxiPod for more than that is just not worth it--I'd rather buy the $999 Laptop. If they do make a full OS tablet I would pay more. That's just me, perhaps.


Yeah, maybe two in a sub-$1000 isn't very likely.

You're comment about hitting the netbook market with its own product and standing out is exactly what I'm talking about. Imagine how much growth there is in a high-end $600-$700 touch screen "netbook."

It won't compare with a MB in terms of specs, but it would still be capable of running some good software. Image a 1.6 Atom or even better maybe even an Atom-like processor with 2 cores... low level nVidia graphics (9100?) or intel 950 level.

That's good enough for some movie watching, low level photoshop or even higher level given enough time...

You could do the stylus writing even with an Atom processor although I don't know if they go that route.....

When I said iLife, I really meant iPhoto and maybe iWeb...

iWork would be perfect.

In terms of connectivity ... maybe 1 USB + 30 pin connect. They can sell adaptors to connect a 30-pin to MDP or DVI...

I think the key is running OSX + AppStore Apps.

[iMacmatician]

If Apple kept the aspect ratio the same, it would be a 720x480 which is native DVD resolution. A 4" 720x480 screen would be awesome (more room to type on too so no need for a real keyboard). That isn't to say I don't think that Apple wouldn't release a 800x480 model, but I'm guessing upscaling would be easier for apps if they used 720x480.I'm thinking three ways for current apps to run on a larger device.

Simple upscaling
GUI elements kept the same "size," just extended to fill the larger display, just like a window in Mac OS X
Windowed or split-screen modes to display multiple applications at the same time

We may also see an even higher resolution than 720x480. Maybe 960x640.

[randomusername]

I'm hoping "iProd" is an iPod Touch Nano or something that won't be released. I really do not want Apple to make a tablet running iPhone OS. People complain about the features of iPhone OS as a PHONE, imagine how crippled it would be on a computer. OS X Snow Leopard is what needs to be running on the rumored Apple Tablet.

[kwikdeth]

One of the applications for FPGA devices are software-defined radios. As in, a radio that has its tuner defined through software, rather than a combination of hardware pieces.
what are the advantages of this? two fold. one, it reduces the component count on the circuit board since many of the radio tuner parts are hardware-defined. this would reduce costs due to less parts, lower battery usage from less components, but this is the biggest, most important reason:
it would allow a device to work on multiple frequencies. With the continuing digital transition and the availability of 700mhz spectrum for cellular services, along with the proliferation of frequency bandwidths outside of the "normal" spaces (such as t-Mobile's AWS 3G spectrum in the 1700 and 1900mhz bands) Apple is trying to position itself to provide the carriers with a lot more flexibility and choices (or more, a lack of, since theoretically a software-defined radio would work on any frequency, eliminating the need to make it work with any specific carrier's network)
While obviously the biggest advantage in united states would be to allow them to work with more carriers than AT&T. Their exclusivity will not last forever and with the impending release of 4G services such as LTE (which will be much more universal than the current GSM vs CDMA situation in the US) Apple is trying to position itself to be able to reach the maximum number of customers they can. This would also affect other countries too, such as Japan, which has similar but slightly different frequencies for many of their cellular services.
so yeah, i believe the iFPGA device is a proof-of-concept for simplification of future iphones and also an exploration of the potential of working with multiple carriers at some point in the future.

[commander.data]

I'm supportive of the idea that the iPod 2.2 maybe a iPod Touch Nano model to replace current iPod Nanos making the iPhone 2.1 the equivalent iPhone Nano. These would be based on current-gen hardware. The iPod 3.1 and iPhone 3.1 would then be the next-gen devices with new internal hardware. All models available this year.

I just find it unlikely that if the 3.1 models are the 2010 models, they would already be appearing in the iPhone 3.0 software. The 2010 models would no doubt ship with iPhone 4.0, so there's no need to place references to them since a public beta since iPhone 3.0 would not be expected to support them. Any 2010 models in development would be running separate custom builds.

And the iFPGA isn't likely a product. FPGA chips are a lot more expensive than fixed function chips and are slower to. They are mainly used for developmental purposes.

[preservative]

Can someone find something on nvidia tegra?

[commander.data]

Can someone find something on nvidia tegra?
You mean just conjure up a reference in the iPhone OS? :D

It's unlikely that Apple would support Tegra given all the effort they put into acquiring a PowerVR GPU license and to acquire CPU engineers to design chips themselves.

[639me]

my guess is the iFPGA is the ability to let hardware take use of and configure the iphone through the dock connector. maybe even configure more than one iphone spontanously to build a bonjour supercomputer on the fly. medical hardware, anti terror - , or even terror hardware, etc.. :confused::eek:

[bedifferent]

You did?

Well, I'll support you by calling BS right now! :D

lol touché :o , but I thought, what the heck, it might be worth mentioning.

[diesel]

"He speculates that "iFPGA" may be a device that utilizes a field-programmable gate array."


Gee whiz, either these devs watch a little too much sci fi channel or i'm not that bright......

Probably the latter

[chrmjenkins]

I could be wrong but I don't think we'll see any FPGAs in consumer products from Apple. They're mostly used in prototypes or reference hardware to aid in rapid development as they don't need to fab an actual chip. Once they find a design they like, they can take the logic inside the FPGA and fab it into a static chip.

Yeah, I realize I wasn't clear on this. An FPGA is just a way to quickly try out an idea without an expensive, time-consuming fab process.


Why wouldn't it?

The existence of one revision on the device implies no other revisions are on there. The firmware would make provisions for what hardware it could be on (hence iphone 2,1 3,1). There's no point for a firmware revision to refer to revisions of itself.

[GimmeSlack12]

This type of thread is where "I am So Disappointed" threads begin. Let the snowball towards utter disillusionment begin (again).

[tobian]

like PDA.. i believe "iFPGA" is " iFuture Portable Gadget from Apple ".. like the SafariPad. USBDeviceConfiguration.plist lists products, not the technical ways of using a product!

[Lesser Evets]

You're comment about hitting the netbook market with its own product and standing out is exactly what I'm talking about. Imagine how much growth there is in a high-end $600-$700 touch screen "netbook."
If Apple can do a $599-$699 "netbook" (large-iPod tablet) that can do MORE, giving us something EXTRA, would be an incredible event and product. They would do extremely well, and I believe Apple will deliver something like that since offering a mediocre but expensive netbook experience isn't how Apple has made its money.

The EXTRA is touchscreen and a new format of a device, but I don't think that alone would do it. They have to expand the function, which hopefully is writing and data entry for work.


Image a 1.6 Atom or even better maybe even an Atom-like processor with 2 cores... low level nVidia graphics (9100?) or intel 950 level.
That's good enough for some movie watching, low level photoshop or even higher level given enough time...
You could do the stylus writing even with an Atom processor although I don't know if they go that route.....

It would be really great. For my wants (and lots of other people's desires) I would love a stylus for paint, draw, and vector images. There's no reason these processors can't do it. Slower processors have been running PS for a couple decades now.

Searching through the rumors (assuming they filter through some reality) it seems older ones going back to 2003 were more about a full OS tablet. As we come forward from iPhone release the rumors switched to a more slimline iPod Touch format. All the more specific rumors seem to point to fairly capable devices, however a rather recent rumor claimed Apple is releasing a device to compete with netbooks and PSP type gaming devices. If they are more interested in that market and people with that kind of spending, we are looking at the possibility of a fairly limited device aimed at being unique but inexpensive. Bah.


In terms of connectivity ... maybe 1 USB + 30 pin connect. They can sell adaptors to connect a 30-pin to MDP or DVI...
I think the key is running OSX + AppStore Apps.
USB isn't needed if there is a Bluetooth inside, for hooking up to wireless devices like headphones, keyboards, mice. That will save costs of engineering, materials, and so forth, allowing the new device to be thinner and lighter. Ultimately, market enthusiasm will come from the abilities of the OS and computing, as long as there is a way to get info in and out conveniently.

Note the new Air, which eliminated almost all ports. Apple is feeling its way along a gradual trimming and streamlining of lower end products. We'll see what they come out with in a few months, hopefully.

[iJawn108]

iprod scares me :eek:

[paja]

This type of thread is where "I am So Disappointed" threads begin. Let the snowball towards utter disillusionment begin (again).

I agree. It will probably end up being an Apple Digital Book Reader like the Kindle.

Seriously hope not, but I've learned to keep my expectations way down the last few years.

[alchemistmuffin]

I know for the fact that next gen iPhone is referenced, but my speculation, one of the product might also reference to next gen :apple:tv, (I know Apple is doing more integration with Apple TV and other Apple Devices) and other product might be another new iPod, could be the hard drive based iPod touch, (since Apple do believe that touch screen is the future of the iPod)

Netbook, I think that might be the next gen MacBook Air, or could it be MacBook Air nano, a smaller, yet more lightweight, and more affordable netbook.

[na1577]

I think this is easier to see in a list:

0x1290 iPhone1,1 - iPhone
0x1291 iPod1,1 - iPod touch
0x1292 iPhone1,2 - iPhone 3G
0x1293 iPod2,1 - iPod touch 2G
0x1294 iPhone2,1
0x1295 iProd0,1
0x1296 iPod2,2
0x1297 iPhone3,1
0x1298 iFPGA
0x1299 iPod3,1

Interestingly, if the products continue to be released in order (by 0x####), iProd will be released before the 3rd generation iPod touch in September.

[iMacmatician]

I think this is easier to see in a list:

0x1290 iPhone1,1 - iPhone
0x1291 iPod1,1 - iPod touch
0x1292 iPhone1,2 - iPhone 3G
0x1293 iPod2,1 - iPod touch 2G
0x1294 iPhone2,1
0x1295 iProd0,1
0x1296 iPod2,2
0x1297 iPhone3,1
0x1298 iFPGA
0x1299 iPod3,1

Interestingly, if the products continue to be released in order (by 0x####), iProd will be released before the 3rd generation iPod touch in September.Good way of looking at things, and good catch too. But if they were announced/released at the same time, wouldn't one of them still be after another in the list?

[na1577]

Yes. Even so, this means we will see the iProd very soon. (Very soon = before the end of the year)

[tgildred]

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_xhT5uUnSPkA/Rj6fpbfjGpI/AAAAAAAABGY/Yp4BOhV6Ot4/s320/CattleProd.jpg

iProd.

Thanks for making my day... :D

[i.mac]

I think this is easier to see in a list:

0x1290 iPhone1,1 - iPhone
0x1291 iPod1,1 - iPod touch
0x1292 iPhone1,2 - iPhone 3G
0x1293 iPod2,1 - iPod touch 2G
0x1294 iPhone2,1
0x1295 iProd0,1
0x1296 iPod2,2
0x1297 iPhone3,1
0x1298 iFPGA
0x1299 iPod3,1




Only one of these is true, the others are there to mess with your mind! :cool:

[iMacmatician]

Only one of these is true, the others are there to mess with your mind! :cool:The iPhone1,1 is the only real one.

:D

[gkarris]

Sweet! They are finally going to release the iProduct!

http://www.geofftech.co.uk/iblog/download/iproduct.jpg

okay, okay... I ********** ADMIT IT....

(runs off to go get in line...) :eek:

[compg318]

okay, okay... I ********** ADMIT IT....

(runs off to go get in line...) :eek:

Hey what store you going to, wanna meet up? I got some of Steve's favorite snacks we can share! Best release ever!

[bigbadnewill]

I'm personally not fussed by the new iprod or ifpga too much. I am only waiting for the new iPhone. I suspect the iprod and ifpga are development devices, but hopefully I'm wrong.

As someone mentioned earlier, apple can make spring seem to go very slow! (I even typed slowly then imagining how slow the wait until summer will be.) It's getting late I must sleep.

[cessna2526]

if i sign up to be a developer to get the 3.0 software ahead of time will it disable my iphone as a phone, just to test apps? or will i just be getting the 3.0 ahead of time for $100? how many license will i get for 3.0? (i dont want to get in to create apps)

[webs]

Bump!
Guys, Safari 4 Beta is an answer! Tablet waits for us. How do thing why Apple made bookmark browsing that way? With thumbnails? For Multitouch input.
Sorry for my bad English. I'm Russian=)

[Lesser Evets]

Bump!
Guys, Safari 4 Beta is an answer! Tablet waits for us. How do thing why Apple made bookmark browsing that way? With thumbnails? For Multitouch input.
Sorry for my bad English. I'm Russian=)

Nah, you're fine. There are plenty of non-English speakers here.

You point makes sense. However, coverflow is coming to everything, and might not necessarily have anything to do with a tablet... or maybe it does. :P

[BeanieRobert200]

Nah, you're fine. There are plenty of non-English speakers here.

You point makes sense. However, coverflow is coming to everything, and might not necessarily have anything to do with a tablet... or maybe it does. :P

I'm not sure if webs was referring to that, I think he/she means Top Sites. I can really see Top Sites being used with multitouch.

[celebi23]

Not sure if this was covered or not but, to gain access to this info, wouldn't you need a decrypted firmware DMG? If anyone has the vfdecrypt key, please shoot me a PM (Yes, I'm a legit paying iPhone Dev. Been one since late last March)

[sd2009]

Not sure if this was covered or not but, to gain access to this info, wouldn't you need a decrypted firmware DMG? If anyone has the vfdecrypt key, please shoot me a PM (Yes, I'm a legit paying iPhone Dev. Been one since late last March)

Couldn't you just jailbreak and look at the files?

[lord patton]

At first I thought Apple was merely bringing the iPhone numbering system in line with that of the iPod Touch. That is, since the next iPT was going to be 3,1, might as well name the iPhone 3,1 as well.

But if iPhone 2,1 is a separate product, one conclusion is that there will be two new models coming out.

I think we're going to see the beginning of a tiered iPhone family. The lesser iPhone will, crucially, have a lower data fee associated with it.

[na1577]

If I recall correctly, the reason why the 2nd-gen touch is "2,1" as opposed to "1,2" is because of the processor. "iPhone2,1" may imply that it is using the same one as the 2G touch.

I believe the 3G touch is "iPod2,2" because it has the same processor as the 2G, but is otherwise revised, much like "iPhone1,1" to "iPhone1,2". I do honestly believe that "iPhone3,1" and "iPod3,1" are the fourth generation devices (not additional devices to the upcoming line), despite their releases both being over a year away.

[celloplayer1770]

Well, the iProd is actually a device that Apple filed a patent application for back in April. It's a device that would be used for exercise purposes and it would take in every aspect of your life to create a specific diet/exercise plan. Just google it and check out the results.

[rstansby]

Well, the iProd is actually a device that Apple filed a patent application for back in April. It's a device that would be used for exercise purposes and it would take in every aspect of your life to create a specific diet/exercise plan. Just google it and check out the results.

I think the nickname iProd was created by a journalist.

[kallisti]

I keep wondering if apple is going to divide the iPhone range up a bit, for diversification.

I.E.


iPhone Pro - not a buisness phone, rather it has a 8+ megapixel camera, a proper flash and a mini version of iphoto included (possibly pay-to-upgrade software for the basic model)
iPhone Classic, basically the iPhone we know now
(crazy out there mode) iPhone Flip, compact model of iphone, idea A: is it's two screens that can open up in portrait or landscape configurations. idea B is it's basically a OS X version of the blackberry pearl flip


You really, really do NOT want an 8+ megapixel camera in your phone. Because of the small sensor size, noise would be horrific and the image quality would end up being worse than with the existing camera. I really wish the megapixel myth would die already.

[PSmith]

iPhone 2,1 - The "lowER cost apple phone [but remember apple doesn't really do low end so it won't be a throw away Sagem)Pretty much iphone 3G with some enhancements.

iPhone 3,1 - What you have always wanted and more.

apple has never pursued the low end of any market as that route leads to products as commodties. Which n turn leads to no apple.

This seemingly simple realisation just has not been grasped but many other companies.

[simongoldring]

I'm sure the the first number of iPhone 1,2 or iPod 2,1 etc. is referring to processor / hardware capability. The iPhone, iPod Touch and iPhone 3G all use very similar-clocked ARM processors, whilst the iPod Touch 2G (2,1) is significantly faster. iWhatever 3,n must be a new processor, such as that ARM Cortex or possibly an Atom-like Intel chip (possibly the first models miniaturized like the Air's was). That makes it possible for Apple to eventually start Apps having a minimum device / generation.

Just because an iPhone 2,1 exists doesn't mean it will be released - it's perfectly possible Apple made one with iTouch 2G components to test internally, but there's no point in releasing it if they've accelerated their schedule for 3,n devices.

Simon

[iCantwait]

WHOOP DE FRIKKING DOO
seriously, who cares? like we know its gonna happen, New apple iProducts!!

[babyj]

So if I read the techie stuff correctly, isn't the iFPGA most likely a device running the iPod / iPhone version of Mac OS on a new style of processor? Which would tie up with other bits and pieces, namely the alleged deal with Arm and the acquisition of that chip design company (whatever it was called). Which in turn suggests its not a new product but just a new processor that we'll probably see at some point in the distant future.

I can't believe the iProd is just a prototype device with a generic name, just doesn't sound like something Apple would do - they would have called it iProd for a reason, most likely it is short for productivity.

The personal fitness and medical applications spring to mind (like in the patent) but its hard to see why they would need a new device and couldn't just run on the current platform. Couldn't any required connections be handled through the existing dock? Though both of those markets are potentially massive and very lucrative and might justify something unique.

[Lesser Evets]

I can't believe the iProd is just a prototype device with a generic name, just doesn't sound like something Apple would do - they would have called it iProd for a reason, most likely it is short for productivity.

This is a Beta OS. They could change the designation of the product anytime.

iProductivity sounds pretty lame, however, this designation in the OS could be FROOPUE2WW and it would work. As long as the OS works. Most likely the iProd device IS coming to an end and will be released. A Beta OS for release to public/developers or a real OS wouldn't have designations for all the stray experimental products Apple makes.

[thoshino]

So if I read the techie stuff correctly, isn't the iFPGA most likely a device running the iPod / iPhone version of Mac OS on a new style of processor? /../

Likely, may also be a new product or just a design prototype that never reaches production. An FPGA is for most intents and purposes a "hardware-based processor simulator" that allows you to simulate a new processor design before actual synthesis.

Maybe I'm not properly updated, but I can't remember ever seeing a "large-size" FPGA in a small handheld format. So if that iFPGA-thingy is supposed to be a future iPod/iPhone, it may be one big ugly prototype.

[DaBrain]

Well, this is more possible proof toward a tablet running the iPod/Phone OS.

Boo-hoo's all around. Unless there is some greater capability to it we aren't sure of yet.

Yep, sure sounds like it. Bummer that device will not be a full version of OS X! :eek:

[celebi23]

Couldn't you just jailbreak and look at the files?

Can't jailbreak 3.0 yet

[Gasu E.]

I think the nickname iProd was created by a journalist.

Congratulations on actually reading the article and the link to the application. This puts you well above average! Well done. :D

[kenkenken]

My theory is apple works in little typos like iprod and 3,1 so we have something to speculate.
I have reason to believe the iprod is the same as 3,1 and they are both touch screen flying saucers.

[kenkenken]

My theory is apple works in little typos like iprod and 3,1 so we have something to speculate.
I have reason to believe the iprod is the same as 3,1 and they are both touch screen flying saucers.

[PowerFullMac]

New iPhone will come out the same time as 3.0 then *gets wallet out and loads eBay up and writes auction for iPhone 3G*

I is prepared.

[njl]

just my two cents..

maybe the iProd could be what they may call the the iPhonePro or such... who knows.. but what would the "d" be? just an idea..

[paulyras]

I wouldn't be surprised at all if iProd referred to an embedded module that can be incorporated into 3rd party devices (PRODucts) like flat panel TVs or cable boxes. Imagine if you could get the iPhone / iPod interface on your TV, watch videos, listen to music, check stocks, etc.... and control it all either with your iPod / iPhone, or with that wiimote like thing that came out in a patent filing a week or two ago.

At some point there has to be a cable box / video on demand / apple TV / DVR convergence. Add the ability to download apps for it, and it would be sick. Doesn't AT&T have an IPTV service?

[mpantone]

My guess is that iPhone 2,1 will run on AT&T 3G+ network (higher speed data) and has new radio hardware minimally. There's a rumor floating that the next iPhone will have video capabilities. I'm guessing that iPhone 3,1 might be a CDMA version (e.g., Verizon) of this new phone.

iPod 2,2 is probably a bumped version of the current iPod touch. iPod 3,1 might be a touchscreen nano and the old iPod OS would ride off into the sunset. Apple may choose to continue producing a legacy Classic for the time being.

It's pure speculation what iProd is, but it might be the long-awaited tablet.

[MacFly123]

One of them will have video and maybe the other will have iChat with front camera :) Or maybe it is the tablet? :confused:

[Drumjim85]

A MaxiPod? Really? I'm sure that would be a great product name with no ridicule. :)

that guy keeps on suggesting that name. I told him it was bad and why a few days ago and he said i had a dirty mind.... really "lesser events", it's a bad name.

[sd2009]

Can't jailbreak 3.0 yet
Pretty sure you can.

[PowerFullMac]

Pretty sure you can.

It probably can be done or will be soon but the Dev Team won't release anything for it because it's a beta that only developers are meant to have.

[Lesser Evets]

Was there an actual rumor of an iPhone PRO? I thought that was just some silly idea someone winged out. Like the iPhone Nano and even worse iPhone Shuffle. haha iPhone shuffle.

The iPhone Pro would be a desktop phone. @_@

that guy keeps on suggesting that name. I told him it was bad and why a few days ago and he said i had a dirty mind.... really "lesser events", it's a bad name.

Well, there are two problems--you are too uptight over the name as if I am dictating the real name of the product, and you took me seriously. I named it such because I have a dirty mind.

MaxiPod isn't hurting anyone. Until they produce the name, I'll probably keep calling it that. It's memorable. It's assy. It's a name.

[Drumjim85]

Well, there are two problems--you are too uptight over the name as if I am dictating the real name of the product, and you took me seriously. I named it such because I have a dirty mind.

MaxiPod isn't hurting anyone. Until they produce the name, I'll probably keep calling it that. It's memorable. It's assy. It's a name.

sarcasm doesn't always translate well in text. Glad it was all in good fun and not a mean statement.... we're cool now.

[Black Belt]

64 Gig would be a ridiculous insult at this point considering the cost and size of memory available, combined with ALL those apps and the desire for a real video player. It should be no less than 128 at this point, ideally 256 for the top tier device. I don't see why the iPods need to lag a year behind the hardware technology while the Mac's are prettty current.

[ashley11]

thanks for the info.,.everything looks goodhttp://sharepix4all.info/images/udas89hdusajd0sa/smile.jpg

[twoodcc]

i would love for one of those other products to be some sort of touch netbook

[diamond.g]

64 Gig would be a ridiculous insult at this point considering the cost and size of memory available, combined with ALL those apps and the desire for a real video player. It should be no less than 128 at this point, ideally 256 for the top tier device. I don't see why the iPods need to lag a year behind the hardware technology while the Mac's are prettty current.

256GB wont fit in the iPhone or Touch with their current thickness. Besides 256GB SSD is like 400 dollars by itself. People have complained about the $700 unsub price, imagine a $1100 price.

[David The Scot]

Just been to the O2 store in Scotland.

I want to get an iphone even though I am still in contract with Vodafone I am going to take the hit and buy myself out to get a iphone.
Even although it a pain transferring my number etc


I wanted to see the call rates that they had and I asked about the new hardware.

The manager said that there will defiantly not be a new model this year as there is new software out in the summer.

I did not believe her and I will wait anyway as the longer I wait the cheeper to buy out of my vodafone contract.

So obviously the 02 staff have been told to keep quiet so they can keep selling for the next few months

[Black Belt]

256GB wont fit in the iPhone or Touch with their current thickness. Besides 256GB SSD is like 400 dollars by itself. People have complained about the $700 unsub price, imagine a $1100 price.

Steve will MAKE it fit. :p

And if Apple bought into that level of SSD, at their quantities it would be a hell of a lot less than $400. And I wasn't referring to the iPhone, which I don't care about. They need to work on a decent antennae for that thing, the reception is not good. I am referring to that level for the Touch which would probably create a $600 iPod which they have done before. 256 would make it VERY useful and I'd be all over that. Then you'd have the room to develop a tether for downloading and viewing RAW from Digital SLRs - they'd have a whole new market.

[diamond.g]

Steve will MAKE it fit. :p

And if Apple bought into that level of SSD, at their quantities it would be a hell of a lot less than $400. And I wasn't referring to the iPhone, which I don't care about. They need to work on a decent antennae for that thing, the reception is not good. I am referring to that level for the Touch which would probably create a $600 iPod which they have done before. 256 would make it VERY useful and I'd be all over that. Then you'd have the room to develop a tether for downloading and viewing RAW from Digital SLRs - they'd have a whole new market.
Does anyone know what the throughput of the memory chips in the current iPod Touch is? It seems like the unit would be pretty slow compared to SSDs. Don't SSDs usually have 16+ memory modules in them? How else are they written to so quickly when normal thumb drives and CF cards are pretty slow?

[FreakinBock]

I found out something more about iProd:

http://www.iphonity.com/news/iprod-itrainer.html

[jeanlouisb]

Sounds like Apple is busy making us a batch of goodies. Maybe we'll get two iPhone models this June, a Netbook with the iPhone OS (Kindle size), and a new iPod Touch model. Sweet! :cool:

A Netbook to replace my Kindle 2 ? Sweet!
Get the keyboard to appear only when I need it.
Use the 3g or WiFi to get all my subscriptions to newspapers, magazines, blogs, etc.

That new iPhone/Netbook would certainly become a perfect mobile multimedia device as well. I could not only read books on the train, but also view HD movies on a much larger screen (10 in.) than on my iPhone.
Could also be used for most desktop chores while on the move if I have to.

How would you call it? the born again iBook ? :-)

[iphonerain]

Apple loves holding its fans in dire suspension. Who says life isn't filled with thrills?

[t0mat0]

Just a thought -

Nvidia has recently (http://www.reuters.com/article/pressRelease/idUS131062+11-May-2009+PRN20090511) adopted Synopsys' IC Validator physical verification solution. It's been developed for advanced designs at 45nm and below, to offer in-design physical verification and signoff.

Gives accelerated time to tapeout, apparently.

Synopsys (http://www.synopsys.com), Inc. is the world leader in electronic design automation (EDA), supplying the global electronics market with the software, intellectual property (IP) and services used in semiconductor design and manufacturing. Synopsys' comprehensive, integrated portfolio of implementation, verification, IP, manufacturing and field-programmable gate array (FPGA) solutions helps address the key challenges designers and manufacturers face today, such as power and yield management, system-to-silicon verification and time-to-results. These technology-leading solutions help give Synopsys customers a competitive edge in bringing the best products to market quickly while reducing costs and schedule risk.

So was the FPGA a product, or a product checker? Apple has previously (http://www.synopsys.com/IP/CapsuleModule/apple_synop_A4.pdf) used Synopsys for their Behavioral Compiler - to help design cycle time.

So maybe it is a chip, for mass production - maybe it was for help in Apple/collaboration with Nvidia in working on chip design?.

Synopsys is #2 in EDA. Would make sense for Apple to have someone like them on board to help them. Why?

Well, things like buying (http://uk.news.yahoo.com/7/20090512/ttc-synopsys-acquires-mips-technologies-78e70a2.html) up MIPS Technologies might not be interesting (a world leader in software and IP for semiconductor design and manufacturing)

http://www.pbs.org/cringely/pulpit/2007/pulpit_20070308_001806.html

but...

The ARM Angle

Further, they tied up with ARM and announced the industry’s first comprehensive low-power verification solution which enables customers to adopt best practices for low-power designs faster.

http://www.arm.com/products/CPUs/synopsys.html

Through the results of an on-going technical collaboration between ARM and Synopsys, ARM® synthesizable processor cores are becoming as easy to deploy as a compiled RAM cell. ARM and Synopsys Professional Services work closely to co-develop the ARM-Synopsys Galaxy™ Reference Methodology (RM), a proven methodology built from best practices for the implementation of ARM cores with Synopsys’ latest tools and flows. This ARM-Synopsys RM is a fully integrated, production proven implementation flow based around Synopsys’ Galaxy Design Platform and is portable across multiple silicon technologies.

http://www.arm.com/products/CPUs/synopsys.html
http://www.eetimes.com/news/latest/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=199702802
http://seekingalpha.com/article/127756-eda-industry-update