Next Generation iPhone: 7.2Mbit, Video Camera, More?

[MacRumors]

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Last week some more details (http://www.macrumors.com/2009/03/20/next-generation-iphone-to-have-faster-internet-speeds/) about the next iPhone revision continued leaking out.

First, there were spottings (http://www.macrumors.com/2009/03/19/iphone-os-3-0-beta-references-four-unknown-products/) of new Apple device IDs found embedded within the iPhone 3.0 firmware. Silicon Alley Insider then claimed (http://www.macrumors.com/2009/03/20/next-generation-iphone-to-have-faster-internet-speeds/) that the next iPhone would come with "much faster internet". Finally, AppleInsider said that the new iPhone would indeed have a video camera (http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/09/03/20/source_apples_next_gen_iphone_has_video_camera.html), supporting evidence of video publishing screenshots (http://www.macrumors.com/2009/03/19/upload-video-screen-suggests-video-capabilities-in-next-iphone/) also found in iPhone 3.0.

It's not surprising that the number of leaks is increasing as Apple does have to keep their carrier partners at least somewhat informed heading into a new release. We've also continue to hear unconfirmed whispers and have specifically heard that the new iPhone with support a 7.2Mbit chipset.

Another interesting possibility is that Apple may have settled on the Marvell PXA168 ARM (http://www.marvell.com/featured/pxa168.jsp) chip as the heart of a future device. Some unconfirmed claims point to Apple buying up supplies of this chip which is reportedly also due in the July timeframe. The Marvell PXA168 CPU was announced (http://www.tomshardware.com/news/Mobile-Processor-1GHz,6814.html) in January of this year and aims to provide "entry-level laptop" capabilities to consumer electronic devices.

Article Link: Next Generation iPhone: 7.2Mbit, Video Camera, More? (http://www.macrumors.com/2009/03/23/next-generation-iphone-7-2mbit-video-camera-more/)

[plumbingandtech]

I was waiting till the 129 gig storage, 50 gigawatt megapixel unlocked verizon, data tethering for free, iPhoneInvisa...

But this will do...

:apple::apple::apple:

[Small White Car]

Although there will be other improvements, I think "video recording" will somehow become the basis for this iPhone's name, just as 3G was the defining characteristic of the last one.

I don't know what they'll call it, but that's the feature they'll show on TV.

[Sky Blue]

Although there will be other improvements, I think "video recording" will somehow become the basis for this iPhone's name, just as 3G was the defining characteristic of the last one.

I don't know what they'll call it, but that's the feature they'll show on TV.

iPhone Video!

iPhone RecordPointlessStuffandUploaditToYouTube

[Spock]

Although there will be other improvements, I think "video recording" will somehow become the basis for this iPhone's name, just as 3G was the defining characteristic of the last one.

I don't know what they'll call it, but that's the feature they'll show on TV.

I wouldn't think adding that feature would be worthy of the name and tv spots, I think they will drop the 3G off the name.

[themoonisdown09]

iPhone DV to coincide with the old iMac DVs.

[tjcampbell]

all sounds fun to me!

[iWoz]

Definately! Video is something that "has" to come with the next iphone.

[koobcamuk]

For me, faster processor and more RAM are paramount. For a lot of people, it's storage and gimmicks (video recording).

If the iPhone has "n" built in for wifi (unlike b/g) then it'll be a few years until I need that so I might skip it.

HSPDA would be something I would buy - more portable internet speed.

[Small White Car]

I wouldn't think adding that feature would be worthy of the name and tv spots, I think they will drop the 3G off the name.

I think they have to pick one feature to push. That's how you get headlines. Like how Leopard was all about 'Time Machine' even though there were hundreds of other changes. Obviously a better battery and more RAM would be the best improvement for an iPhone, but that's not sexy enough to advertise.

So whatever they pick, it will be ONE big thing they talk about more than anything else. I'm just guessing, but I think video-recording will be it.

But as other posters have shown, what the actual name will be is tricky. I can't come up with anything either.

EDIT: I could also see the 'push' feature making a great ad, but the problem is that it's a software update. Any ads they pay for will be pushing hardware sales, not free software downloads.

[Spock]

iPhone DV to coincide with the old iMac DVs.

They gonna add a DVD drive and FireWire port to it? Perhaps iMovie Go??

[leandromp]

too good to be true.

[Rojo]

Although there will be other improvements, I think "video recording" will somehow become the basis for this iPhone's name, just as 3G was the defining characteristic of the last one.

I don't know what they'll call it, but that's the feature they'll show on TV.

I think you're right - but it would be a shame to have something called iPhone Video (or whatever) and not also have a front-facing camera for video calls.
Let's hope!!

[jayducharme]

I think "video recording" will somehow become the basis for this iPhone's name

They'll call it iShoot. The ad will feature clips from the old movie A Christmas Story: "You'll shoot your i out, kid!"

Actually, video recording would be enough to get me to upgrade to the new version, as long as the camera itself is improved as well. It'd be nice to squeeze a few more years out of my current model, but if Apple won't enable recording on my 3G iPhone then I'll probably feel compelled to ditch it.

[calisurfboy]

All I want is cut, copy, and paste!

Whaaaa? Its on its way? Ah crap! I need to find something else to bitch about. Damn it!

For the next iphone, I am pretty satisfied with the new additions to the OS Software that was my main hindrance with the phone.

On the physical side? Video recording, yes, will be nice as long as it comes with a more advanced better camera. At least 3mp please. Larger storage size definite.

Software end? Please block my IM if my phone is locked. It is annoying to see my messages blaring across the screen even though I have the phone locked. What kind of security is that? Just, at most, display "you have new text message" and allow me to get to it, not display who its from and the message. Same with voice mail. Also being able to run safari and another program at same time or the ability to save the web page and not have to reload it every time I leave the screen and come back would be nice.

I think they will still keep the 3G name around for at least one generation of the Iphone Video but then drop the 3g after it becomes standard across the board the following revision. Need to be able to distinguish with the public the changes and keep a lower price entry item/point, etc.

[MrCrowbar]

Well, there once was an iPod Photo and and iPod Video to set it apart from the previous generation and the smaller versions like the mini and the nano who lacked those key features.

But the first iPhone already did video, at least playback.
iPhone Classic and iPhone nano would be pretty sweet but unlikely right now.

iPhone AV (like iChat AV) would make sense since you could communicate via audio (normal phone call) and do video calls. I can already imagine Phil Shiller demoing that feature when he calls some Apple employee from iChat and the employee sends video from his iPhone. It would even be kind of practical when you're using the headset and holding the phone in front of you.

Now if only iChat would work as well as Skype (or even MSN) through routers...

[optophobia]

iPhoneHD :D You heard it here 1st.

[Lesser Evets]

I loved the few CERTAIN people who claimed the next iPhone would NEVER have video. Come on, people.

Can't wait to see what comes in the new hardware.

[igazza]

iphone HD

[optophobia]

Software end? Please block my IM if my phone is locked. It is annoying to see my messages blaring across the screen even though I have the phone locked. What kind of security is that?

I only have my phone on autolock so i don't press the buttons by mistake.
I actually like the message preview. So how about the option of turning it off, as well as disabling the repeating alert that you have a new message until you read it.

[LagunaSol]

Holding on to my original iPhone until new hardware is released. Hurry Apple! I want 3G speed - and my wife wants my old iPhone!

[dagamer34]

The current iPhone already has a 7.2Mbit chip, but most carriers cap it to something lower. However, the upload speed is ungodfully slow. The iPhone wouldn't be able to upload videos on any cellular network with it's current upload speed. I think that's what's likely to be upgraded in the next iPhone (from HSDPA to HSUPA or HSPA+)

[Sky Blue]

All I want is cut, copy, and paste!

Whaaaa? Its on its way? Ah crap! I need to find something else to bitch about. Damn it!


I'm going to cry about not being able to put a picture on the home screen or change the icons to some crappy scheme of my own choosing

[optophobia]

iphone HD

2 minutes too late :cool:

[optophobia]

The current iPhone already has a 7.2Mbit chip, but most carriers cap it to something lower. However, the upload speed is ungodfully slow. The iPhone wouldn't be able to upload videos on any cellular network with it's current upload speed. I think that's what's likely to be upgraded in the next iPhone (from HSDPA to HSUPA or HSPA+)

you sure about this ?

[asaad]

All I want is cut, copy, and paste!

Whaaaa? Its on its way? Ah crap! I need to find something else to bitch about. Damn it!

For the next iphone, I am pretty satisfied with the new additions to the OS Software that was my main hindrance with the phone.

On the physical side? Video recording, yes, will be nice as long as it comes with a more advanced better camera. At least 3mp please. Larger storage size definite.

Software end? Please block my IM if my phone is locked. It is annoying to see my messages blaring across the screen even though I have the phone locked. What kind of security is that? Just, at most, display "you have new text message" and allow me to get to it, not display who its from and the message. Same with voice mail. Also being able to run safari and another program at same time or the ability to save the web page and not have to reload it every time I leave the screen and come back would be nice.

I think they will still keep the 3G name around for at least one generation of the Iphone Video but then drop the 3g after it becomes standard across the board the following revision. Need to be able to distinguish with the public the changes and keep a lower price entry item/point, etc.Displaying my texts even when my phone is locked has been one of my biggest gripes, but it seems as though 3.0 takes care of it...

http://images.appleinsider.com/iphone3-090317-8.png

[calisurfboy]

I live in Washington, DC. and ride the metro train a lot. Everyone that has t-mobile, verizon, and other services still plug away on their phone with phone calls and text messages. I glance at my iphone and as soon as I walk in through the doors my reception drops. It would be nice to just be able to access my phone the same areas other services seem to be able to.

Also, everyone is talking about faster speeds. How about first having a reliable service? What is the point of faster speeds if your connection drops every 10 seconds or goes down for minutes on end? It absolutely sucks just standing there and doing funny poses like your a pair of rabbit ear television antenna trying desperately to get reception because your business call keeps dropping off for no reason.

[electronboy]

None of this matters if they keep offering an 'unlimited data' plan w/o unlimited SMS. What a joke!

If they want to sell a limited data plan--at a reduced rate--and then allow subscribers to add a limited or unlimited text messaging plan on top of that then I will finally buy an iPhone. But not before!

Wake up Apple and AT&T! You are losing out on signing up customers who refuse to be scammed by the current arrangement.

[jtara]

Please, stop the ridiculous N WiFi rumors.

The current iPhone can't even come close to saturating a G conection. In fact, it can't even saturate a good high-speed home Internet connection.

I have 20mbit/sec (burstable to 25 mbit/sec) service from Cox. I've tested it using SpeedTest from both my PC and my MacBook (forcing connection to the G side of my router), and I am able to attain that speed.

With my iPhone connected through WiFi, the best I've been able to get is 5mbit/sec - on a good day. That's just 1/4 of my Internet connection speed. I've tried it on other's routers and had the same result. As well, other people have reported a similar maximum speed here.

N WiFi is absolutely unnecessary for the iphone. It would be a waste of money and a waste of battery power, and Apple is not that stupid.

That tosses N out the window. As well, it is too soon for 4G. So, we have to look to something else (if it is anything other than people making stuff up) for the meaning of "faster Internet".

IF this rumor is true, it is more likely that they are removing whatever roadblock that currently caps connectivity at 5mbit/sec. This may be processor speed, inefficient software, the interface to the WiFi chip, etc. etc. It's NOT the fact that they are using G Wifi.

It does make sense to remove this cap. You don't get THAT much faster a connection via WiFi currently than you get OTA (at least in a big city with good 3G). Which makes iPhone WiFi somewhat disappointing. I can see a lot of interesting applications opening up, say, in an Enterprise setting, with faster WiFi connectivity. But that doesn't require N.

[mike12806]

The current iPhone already has a 7.2Mbit chip, but most carriers cap it to something lower. However, the upload speed is ungodfully slow. The iPhone wouldn't be able to upload videos on any cellular network with it's current upload speed. I think that's what's likely to be upgraded in the next iPhone (from HSDPA to HSUPA or HSPA+)

I thought I remember a front page story from a few days ago stating the current iPhone 3G can only handle 3.6 Mbit/s HSPA?

[calisurfboy]

Displaying my texts even when my phone is locked has been one of my biggest gripes, but it seems as though 3.0 takes care of it...

http://images.appleinsider.com/iphone3-090317-8.png

Wow thanks! That puts a smile on my face. I use the iphone a lot for business and many of those texts are private/personal and a blocking feature is desperately needed. I have heard stories in the office of guys being caught by their girlfriends/wives with another woman by that little lack of security. =)

[Small White Car]

I live in Washington, DC. and ride the metro train a lot. Everyone that has t-mobile, verizon, and other services still plug away on their phone with phone calls and text messages.

T-Mobile? That'd be quite a trick since Verizon is the only one allowed to opperate in the tunnels.

Verizon lets Sprint customers roam on their network, but T-Mobile and AT&T would have no way to do that.

[ptscooter]

I am looking forward to all of the new fixes and being able to take video. I wonder if the new iphone also have a light for the camera portion?
:)

[plumbingandtech]

How about first having a reliable service?

Prob. better posted in attrumors.com. Since apple is not the one putting up new towers.

And from my experience, I had one dropped call last month. And my service has been even better then my service I had with tmobile for years, all stories are relative and anecdotal when it comes to call "quality" I'm afraid.

[Barbie]

I think the next iPhone will simply be named the 2nd generation iPhone 3G.

[garethjs]

Please, stop the ridiculous N WiFi rumors.

The current iPhone can't even come close to saturating a G conection. In fact, it can't even saturate a good high-speed home Internet connection.

I have 20mbit/sec (burstable to 25 mbit/sec) service from Cox. I've tested it using SpeedTest from both my PC and my MacBook (forcing connection to the G side of my router), and I am able to attain that speed.

With my iPhone connected through WiFi, the best I've been able to get is 5mbit/sec - on a good day. That's just 1/4 of my Internet connection speed. I've tried it on other's routers and had the same result. As well, other people have reported a similar maximum speed here.

N WiFi is absolutely unnecessary for the iphone. It would be a waste of money and a waste of battery power, and Apple is not that stupid.

That tosses N out the window. As well, it is too soon for 4G. So, we have to look to something else (if it is anything other than people making stuff up) for the meaning of "faster Internet".

IF this rumor is true, it is more likely that they are removing whatever roadblock that currently caps connectivity at 5mbit/sec. This may be processor speed, inefficient software, the interface to the WiFi chip, etc. etc. It's NOT the fact that they are using G Wifi.

It does make sense to remove this cap. You don't get THAT much faster a connection via WiFi currently than you get OTA (at least in a big city with good 3G). Which makes iPhone WiFi somewhat disappointing. I can see a lot of interesting applications opening up, say, in an Enterprise setting, with faster WiFi connectivity. But that doesn't require N.

I'm hoping it does have a N chipset so that I can then set my router to only run in N mode. Right now I have to add G compatibility just because of the phone. Setting it to just N is going to increase throughoutput over my wireless network. I don't really bother how fast the iphone downloads.

[nick9191]

Be great if as well as the regular iPhone they offered an iPhone Special Edition:

Metal back
8mp camera that shoots 720p video (think Flip Mino) + Flash, focus etc.
32gb
Faster CPU and 256mb RAM
30 hours audio playback, 20 hours 2g talktime, 10 hours 3g talktime, 12 hours video/web browsing

£299/$499 + Contract.

[bendodson]

On the whole "not showing preview of text messages" thread, yes this is available as an option in the 3.0 upgrade but it is currently available in the 2.0 release branch but in a rather weird way. You have to make sure you have the "passcode lock" enabled and then a new option will appear that will let you turn off message previews. Very useful but I'm glad they got it working in 3.0 without the need for entering a passcode every time.

On the "next iPhone" thread, I would agree with all the rumored additions (video, 7.2mb chip, faster processor) but hope there will also be storage increase (32GB sounds about right) and RAM upgrades in order to help out with crashing apps. As for the name, I think it will be iPhone Video as well but I think they'll need something more than just a 3MP camera with video; will need a forward facing camera and ability to do video calling (maybe even a service through mobileme that lets you do voice chats with ichat on a mac?? maybe??)

[Small White Car]

I think the next iPhone will simply be named the 2nd generation iPhone 3G.

So do you want the 1st gen 2G phone or the 3G 2nd gen phone, or could I perhaps interest you in the 2nd gen 3G phone which is of course totally different than the 3G 2nd gen.

Consumer: :confused:

I like it! :)

[Stormbringer]

This is all I want:

1) Better (photo)camera: 5 Mpixels and autofocus. I give nothing about video recording, I think I have 1 video left on my computer in my 4 years of phones with this function. But I guess technically it would be nothing for Apple to add this function (and hype it ;)) since this is basic as an mp3 ringtone nowadays.
2) LED light. Yes: "light". I use this quite often (used it as light on my bike for weeks since that one was broken for instance). LED is worthless as a flash for the camera, you need Xenon for that. If they could do both (like my SE K850i, which has a triple LED by the way) it would be great, but otherwise I prefer LED.
3) Bigger screen/smaller body - Of course they can't change it much, but every I'm happy with millimeter.
4) Some innovative feature nobody expects!
5) Better battery
6) Faster working device

That's it. I don't care about the internet speeds since it's fast enough for me. The rest is all software, and I think 3.0 covers most of it.

[incoherent1]

T-Mobile? That'd be quite a trick since Verizon is the only one allowed to opperate in the tunnels.

Verizon lets Sprint customers roam on their network, but T-Mobile and AT&T would have no way to do that.

It's true. I have T-Mobile and I never get service in any underground Metro stations. I did just read an article, however, about Metrorail signing contracts with AT&T and TMobile to add service, but I wouldn't expect that to be implemented any time soon (hopefully measured in months, however, than than years a la the Silver and Purple Lines ;) ).

[NightFox]

Personally, I'm in no need of a video camera. If they do add one, fine, but I just hope it isn't to the detriment of the whole iPhone thing. There's a difference between convergence (which is where I think Apple have done a beautiful job) and a device that tries to do everything, and ends up doing everything crap, even the basics.

[MrCrowbar]

I only have my phone on autolock so i don't press the buttons by mistake.
I actually like the message preview. So how about the option of turning it off, as well as disabling the repeating alert that you have a new message until you read it.

Status Notifier (you need to jailbreak your phone to install it) does just that, I set mine to vibrate once every 1 minute and display a little icon in the status bar (where the carrier and bettery status is displayed). Wouldn't wanna miss that feature.

[fleshman03]

For me, faster processor and more RAM are paramount. For a lot of people, it's storage and gimmicks (video recording).

If the iPhone has "n" built in for wifi (unlike b/g) then it'll be a few years until I need that so I might skip it.

HSPDA would be something I would buy - more portable internet speed.

Agreed. That Marvell PXA168 ARM looks pretty sweet! Of course, I'd like to see a big storage bump, but that is a whole other story...

[bagelche]

I think the next iPhone will simply be named the 2nd generation iPhone 3G.

iPhone 3G2G?

[campdogg]

This is all way too good to be true, seriously.

If most of this stuff happens then get ready for $499.99 base price for the "premium" iPhone.

[notjustjay]

Consumer: :confused:

I like it! :)

I don't know's on third...

[Drumjim85]

Displaying my texts even when my phone is locked has been one of my biggest gripes, but it seems as though 3.0 takes care of it...

you could do that in 2.x but you had to have a password for it to be an option.

[richard4339]

Which is why I think they'll simply refer to this one as the iPhone again. The technical name will be 3rd gen iPhone, but I think the name itself will simply be iPhone.

[Neodym]

iPhone 3G2G?

Was thinking exactly the same! :-D

[iphones4evry1]

If they add a faster chip and more RAM, I will definitely upgrade to the new iPhone. Otherwise, my current 3G phone works great and I will keep it.

Faster chip, more RAM = SOLD !!!

[mkoesel]

So whatever they pick, it will be ONE big thing they talk about more than anything else. I'm just guessing, but I think video-recording will be it.

I don't think that video is important enough to be included in the name of the device. I think they'll either keep 3G, or just drop it entirely, or they will add something like "Plus" or "Pro" (probably not those in particular, but something equally non-specfic).

[aduzik]

I've said it before and I'll say it again: what the iPhone needs, more than anything else, is more computing power. The most interesting item in this story is the reference to a faster processor. Together with more RAM, this will make the iPhone a more compelling experience than anything else.

Also, more processing might would be absolutely critical for handling video, and so would a 7.2Mbps connection. The way I see it, these three things all go together.

[MacOSXAddict]

That is huge news the next generation iPhone may be supporting 7.5Mbps data transfers. I live in Canada and Rogers launched their 3.5G network in December and it would be great to take advantage of it.

[cmichaelb]

I thought I remember a front page story from a few days ago stating the current iPhone 3G can only handle 3.6 Mbit/s HSPA?

There was a story about that, here's an excerpt:

Electronista provides more detail on AT&T's plans for faster 3G running at 7.2 Mbps, up from the 3.6 Mbps speed of the current network.

However, the most likely change is the addition of support for speed-doubled 7.2Mbps 3G given both hardware manufacturer and carrier plans. Infineon should have a new 3G chipset starting from mid-year that would support the faster speeds while also improving battery life. At the same time, AT&T has been trialing 7.2Mbps 3G since late 2008 and should roll out the speedier service this year. The provider has stressed that many of its cell towers can be upgraded solely through software rather than new equipment.

Current iPhones are limited in hardware to 3.6Mbps 3G and couldn't themselves be upgraded.

[Sky Blue]

... (off topic) and AT&T needs to reduce the fees on the older iPhone monthy data plans. For example, the Gen1 iPhone is much slower and the monthly data fee should be less than the 3G monthly data fee.

original iPhone has always been cheaper.

[dewser35]

Agreed. That Marvell PXA168 ARM looks pretty sweet! Of course, I'd like to see a big storage bump, but that is a whole other story...

Seriously, what the hell do you need 32GB of storage for? 16GB gives me all the music I could ever need while traveling, all my pictures that I would want to show someone, all the apps I need and plenty I use SOMETIMES, all of the podcasts I listen to and there is still 3GB left to dump a movie on there when I travel for work.

Sure I have the macbook on business trips also, but really, unless it is only a small difference in price (50 bucks?) It's not worth it... just give me a faster processor/more RAM 16GB model and cut and pa... err... nevermind.

[fleshman03]

There was a story about that, here's an excerpt:

That's enough to seal the deal on a new chipset for me.

[antel0pe]

I live in Washington, DC. and ride the metro train a lot. Everyone that has t-mobile, verizon, and other services still plug away on their phone with phone calls and text messages. I glance at my iphone and as soon as I walk in through the doors my reception drops.
I'm in the DC area as well. The only carrier that actually has service in the metro is Verizon, but Sprint can roam on there as well. Neither ATT or T-Mobile work at all. This is supposed to change over the next year as WMATA is opening up the metro to service from all major carriers. A quick google search will turn up a wealth of info on this subject.

Please, stop the ridiculous N WiFi rumors.

The current iPhone can't even come close to saturating a G conection. In fact, it can't even saturate a good high-speed home Internet connection.

I have 20mbit/sec (burstable to 25 mbit/sec) service from Cox. I've tested it using SpeedTest from both my PC and my MacBook (forcing connection to the G side of my router), and I am able to attain that speed.

With my iPhone connected through WiFi, the best I've been able to get is 5mbit/sec - on a good day. That's just 1/4 of my Internet connection speed. I've tried it on other's routers and had the same result. As well, other people have reported a similar maximum speed here.

N WiFi is absolutely unnecessary for the iphone. It would be a waste of money and a waste of battery power, and Apple is not that stupid.
Ummmm that isn't the only reason to include N. I'd love it if I could have my iPhones on the same wifi network as the rest of my house, but I can't because they will drag the entire network speed down to 802.11g speeds. I'm currently running two networks in my house to get around this, kind or a PITA. 802.11n is a must for the next iPhone, I don't want to keep running g hardware for no reason.

I'd take 802.11n over video recording any day.

[yetanotherdave]

Seriously, what the hell do you need 32GB of storage for? 16GB gives me all the music I could ever need while traveling, all my pictures that I would want to show someone, all the apps I need and plenty I use SOMETIMES, all of the podcasts I listen to and there is still 3GB left to dump a movie on there when I travel for work.

Sure I have the macbook on business trips also, but really, unless it is only a small difference in price (50 bucks?) It's not worth it... just give me a faster processor/more RAM 16GB model and cut and pa... err... nevermind.

Some people have 32Gb+ of songs/podcasts/video. Some people like to carry all their music in their pocket and have ditched their ipod for their phone.
I have 40Gb+ of music, and use smart playlists to manage what's on my phone, but I wish there was more capacity. 16gb is days of music, but when that one track you want isn't on there at the time it's really irritating.

[nfl46]

Darn, where's the leak pictures of the new iPhone! I haven't really seen any lately..just the ones posted a whilllle back. I'm ready to speculate on that...lol

[skiwhitman]

iPhone 3G2G?
sounds a little like iPhone R2D2 :rolleyes:

[hugodrax]

Rumor is you will be able to attach a USB powered electric shaver and control the settings via an application and keep track of your shaving history so you can post automatically on twitter every time you shave.

[johnnyjibbs]

Although there will be other improvements, I think "video recording" will somehow become the basis for this iPhone's name, just as 3G was the defining characteristic of the last one.

I don't know what they'll call it, but that's the feature they'll show on TV.
Really? Most phones have had that functionality for years. How about iPhone MMS? :eek::p:D

Seriously though, I hope the next iPhone has a lot more than just a few catchup features. I mean, the current iPhone 3G is perfect for my needs right now (and will be even better once I get all the "catchup" features included in 3.0) but I'm looking forward to a faster chip and better screen res.

I'm just not sure what the next revolutionary thing is going to be.

[fleshman03]

Seriously, what the hell do you need 32GB of storage for? 16GB gives me all the music I could ever need while traveling, all my pictures that I would want to show someone, all the apps I need and plenty I use SOMETIMES, all of the podcasts I listen to and there is still 3GB left to dump a movie on there when I travel for work.

Sure I have the macbook on business trips also, but really, unless it is only a small difference in price (50 bucks?) It's not worth it... just give me a faster processor/more RAM 16GB model and cut and pa... err... nevermind.

I have a 16gb iPod Touch and:

14.49gb Music
1gb worth of podcasts. (video + speech)
80gb worth of movies


This doesn't take into account the fact that I have an EyeTV and can record some TV shows and watch them on my lunch hour.

I would like to be able to have all my music, some podcasts, maybe a movie or two (I'd really like more, but I'll settle) Apps and pictures.

32 would be nice, 64 is sweet. Obviously my movie and music collection is going to grow in the future...

Currently, I only bring with my about 12gb worth of music, no movies, 2 video podcasts, apps and my pictures.

Factor in the ability to record video and you'll see the need for more storage.

[zunairryk]

what about a front camera for video calling :(

[libertyforall]

This is silly, the 1st Gen. iPhone has a video camera too! Apple just has not released software to use it -- Jailbreak your iPhone, and you will find a few video capture applications -- obviously Apple's idea is planned obsolescence and they won't add all the features people thought they would eventually get with phone hardware that is capable! Greedy corporations as usual...

[Village]

If they'd extend the operating time between charges, and of course the 3.0 software changes, that would make me a happy camper! I haven't bought an iPhone yet and have been on the fence. All my friends with 3G phones have to recharge at the end of the day. I don't mind docking it at the end of the evening, but the need for a mid-day charge would get annoying.

[chrmjenkins]

This is interesting because details on the Marvell Sheeva chip are scarce. All I know is that it is an ARM licensed core (which apple just did so they can do the cores themselves) and it can run 1+ Ghz. I don't know what functional units it incorporates, what its MIPS are, what process size the chip is, etc. If this is indeed what they use, I'll be interested to get some hard numbers.

Also,

http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/6820/53773996.jpg

From the product brief PDF

[stownsend3]

I'm in agreement with most here, in that if the new iPhone can get me faster internet (w/o much bump in price).... a little larger storage, and the ability to record video (maybe even video call?) would be worth the upgrade from the 3G.

RAM is a big necessity, because I hate having apps crash, and with push finally coming online, that is going to be a drain on the system as well

[Roy Hobbs]

Seriously, what the hell do you need 32GB of storage for? 16GB gives me all the music I could ever need while traveling, all my pictures that I would want to show someone, all the apps I need and plenty I use SOMETIMES, all of the podcasts I listen to and there is still 3GB left to dump a movie on there when I travel for work.

Sure I have the macbook on business trips also, but really, unless it is only a small difference in price (50 bucks?) It's not worth it... just give me a faster processor/more RAM 16GB model and cut and pa... err... nevermind.

32 gig would be nice, I would love it if they sprang a 64 gig on us.

[Stately]

For me, faster processor and more RAM are paramount. For a lot of people, it's storage and gimmicks (video recording).

If the iPhone has "n" built in for wifi (unlike b/g) then it'll be a few years until I need that so I might skip it.

HSPDA would be something I would buy - more portable internet speed.

Faster processors and RAM are the types of things that are always upgraded, in regards to computers. Hence the term, upgrade . . Video recording is a gimmick? Do you think that having the ability to edit documents, is a gimmick as well? These are SMART devices that are being released, they are meant to do more than one thing. The i phone for example does much more than one thing and very well might I add. If memory and speed are all you need along with regular phone capability there are plenty of other phones out. :cool:

[Disturbedmaggot]

The current iPhone 3G modem chip IS capable of 7.2 Mbps. It is a category 8 3G radio.

http://www.infineon.com/dgdl/X-GOLD608_XMM6080.pdf?location=Products.Mobile_Phone_Baseband_ICs.WCDMA___HSDPA.X-GOLD__608_-_PMB_8878.PRODUCT_TYPE_DOCUMENTS.X-GOLD608_XMM6080.pdf&folderId=db3a304312fcb1bc0113000c158f0004&fileId=db3a30431936bc4b011957c66fee3850

Read the key modem features list.

[fleshman03]

This is interesting because details on the Marvell Sheeva chip are scarce. All I know is that it is an ARM licensed core (which apple just did so they can do the cores themselves) and it can run 1+ Ghz. I don't know what functional units it incorporates, what its MIPS are, what process size the chip is, etc. If this is indeed what they use, I'll be interested to get some hard numbers.

Also,

http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/6820/53773996.jpg

From the product brief PDF

Just got a woody......

Hulu!!!!!!

Now if only the battery would last longer than a show...

[chrmjenkins]

32 gig would be nice, I would love it if they sprang a 64 gig on us.

This was limited by the size of NAND chips they could get. In the iPhone, they can only fit one (as opposed to two in the touch), and the max size is/was 16 GB. If that has been upped to 32, you'll see 32 GB versions. Don't expect 64 GB soon though.

[bigchief]

Personally, I'm in no need of a video camera. If they do add one, fine, but I just hope it isn't to the detriment of the whole iPhone thing. There's a difference between convergence (which is where I think Apple have done a beautiful job) and a device that tries to do everything, and ends up doing everything crap, even the basics.

I agree. If apple pushes the video most people in TV land will be thinking so what. I'v had video on my phone for years, big deal. If it's HD video people will pay attention.

[mrr]

I would also love a Front Facing Camera for iChat!

Seems a natural for the iPhone. Apple has been really wasting its iChat technology which is already great on a laptop, and would even be more fantastic and useful on the iPhone!

[acidfast7]

7.2 Mbps would be nice for people that live in areas (EU/Asia metro areas) that have had it for years.

What has taken Apple so long?

[dewser35]

Some people have 32Gb+ of songs/podcasts/video. Some people like to carry all their music in their pocket and have ditched their ipod for their phone.
I have 40Gb+ of music, and use smart playlists to manage what's on my phone, but I wish there was more capacity. 16gb is days of music, but when that one track you want isn't on there at the time it's really irritating.

I have 40+ Gb of music and podcasts and tv shows... I have 2.8 TB of ripped dvd's that I can dump into H.264 encoder for travel... my point is that it's ridiculous to think you need all of that. Perhaps my old age is showing... but I just don't think more is necessary and I don't want to pay a premium for it. But that is just my opinion. At some point everything will be on demand and this will be moot, but until then, maybe do a better job with your smart playlists and 2500 songs.

[syclick]

Seriously, what the hell do you need 32GB of storage for? 16GB gives me all the music I could ever need while traveling, all my pictures that I would want to show someone, all the apps I need and plenty I use SOMETIMES, all of the podcasts I listen to and there is still 3GB left to dump a movie on there when I travel for work.

My current iPod Video 5G 60GB doesn't hold all my music to begin with. I'm going to be replacing it with an iPhone, so I'll take all the space I can get.

[Airforcekid]

To make video big they will have to CHANGE the way its viewed on a mobile phone instant uploads to youtube and email maybe?????

[That-Is-Bull]

But as other posters have shown, what the actual name will be is tricky. I can't come up with anything either.

Why not just "the new iPhone?" They never refer to any other hardware by the version. New iMacs are called "the new iMac," new Macbooks are "the new Macbook," new :apple:TV is called "the new :apple:TV," etc. I'm sure we'll call it the G3 iPhone and everybody else will call it the iPhone, just like every other Apple product.

Or they could call it "the Quad-Core iPhone." :cool:

[chrmjenkins]

I agree. If apple pushes the video most people in TV land will be thinking so what. I'v had video on my phone for years, big deal. If it's HD video people will pay attention.

HD video on a mobile platform is a supercharged lawn-mower. The iphone doesn't have higher resolution like some of its competitors because the ROI is small and it makes for a much more laggy UI.

[Lesser Evets]

http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/6820/53773996.jpg

From the product brief PDF
Yowza! Good stuff.

[fleshman03]

This was limited by the size of NAND chips they could get. In the iPhone, they can only fit one (as opposed to two in the touch), and the max size is/was 16 GB. If that has been upped to 32, you'll see 32 GB versions. Don't expect 64 GB soon though.

I actually had a thread about this (http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=672910). (Shameless thread promotion)

Anyway, I posted these two facts:
I found these two articles. The first is from this week. The second is from August.

As four of these chips are often stacked together in a single package, the technology potentially doubles the amount of storage available on a high-end flash memory die to 64GB but should remain small thanks to SanDisk's more recent 43 nanometer manufacturing process. Toshiba only just started making 32GB packages this past fall.
Link (http://www.electronista.com/articles/09/02/10/sandisk.x4.flash.tech/)

Extra bit from cNet (http://news.cnet.com/8301-13924_3-10160085-64.html?part=rss&subj=news&tag=2547-1_3-0-20):
"It is a 64-gigabit single die (chip), which is 8GB (per die), the highest capacity point in the industry," said Khandker Quader, senior vice president, memory technology & product development, SanDisk, in a phone interview Monday.


The combined storage is explicitly intended for cellphones, portable media players, video cameras, and other devices where a large amount of storage is necessary in one package. Toshiba doesn't name individual customers, but is a key supplier of Apple and through the design would enable a 32GB iPhone as well as a 64GB iPod touch. Toshiba also produces its own electronics, including Gigabeat media players, and frequently sells its memory for competitors and manufacturers of MMC and SD cards.
Link (http://www.electronista.com/articles/08/08/06/toshiba.32gb.flash/)

I'd like to hear some thoughts given the wider audience of this thread.

[Rot'nApple]

I wouldn't think adding that feature would be worthy of the name and tv spots, I think they will drop the 3G off the name.

Does anyone think Apple will start adding the year for the iPhone model? Like iPhone 2009 or iPhone '09, like iWork '09 or iLife '09.

It definitely will simplify the matter regarding the model release and thus the feature set of the phone at the time.

What ever the model name, the feature set for this release has to be BIG and somewhat special, because isn't the iPhone scheduled release due about the same time Steve Jobs, hopefully, comes back to work? And does anyone think Steve will be the one to introduce the new iPhone this summer?

Or am I just being too, oh, I don't know, but I'm sure someone will inform me! :D

[Furrybeagle]

"Entry-level laptop"?

So... the iPhone... is like... A MINIATURE TOUCH SCREEN NETBOOK! PRAISE STEVE JOBS! He has answered our cries of pain! :rolleyes:


Seriously, though. Perhaps they'll be increasing the screen resolution and the amount of RAM, too. Background applications, running faster, at higher resolutions (and the OS can take advantage of the extra CPU cycles to scale up older apps). I just worry about battery life... =/

[Masklinn]

you sure about this ?
Yep, some people on 7.2+Mbps networks got iphones clocking in at >6Mbps.

The hardware clearly is 7.2Mbps capable, some thought it was capped in software (to 3.6) but that seems to be wrong.

[itsmeok]

nice!!!!!!

I can't wait for ATT to make us pay through our noses again... my guess would be an additional $29.99/month for any sort of video messaging.

[guzhogi]

I just hope AT&T will lower their rates. With all the bells & whistles (unlimited voice, data, text, etc.) is over $100/month. And considering I don't get/make many phone calls, I'd have a LOT of rollover minutes for my voice so it's a waste for me. Plus I don't make much so I can't afford it. But, on the bright side, no one's forcing me to buy one so I think I'll wait until either the plans are cheaper, I come into a lot more money or both.

[QCassidy352]

I'm going to cry about not being able to put a picture on the home screen or change the icons to some crappy scheme of my own choosing

that's the spirit!

;)

Rumor is you will be able to attach a USB powered electric shaver and control the settings via an application and keep track of your shaving history so you can post automatically on twitter every time you shave.

That was actually pretty funny. Thanks. :)

This all sounds like great news. Can't wait to replace my trusty 2G with this beauty.

[Furrybeagle]

Does anyone think Apple will start adding the year for the iPhone model? Like iPhone 2009 or iPhone '09, like iWork '09 or iLife '09.

It definitely will simplify the matter regarding the model release and thus the feature set of the phone at the time.

Or am I just being too, oh, I don't know, but I'm sure someone will inform me! :D

That actually sounds like a good idea. Anything else just seems confusing. They can't use 1G, 2G, 3G like they did for the iPod because here 3G refers to the cell network. And using plain numbers would also seem weird (e.g., the iPhone 3 is newer than the iPhone 3G?).

[chrmjenkins]

I actually had a thread about this (http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=672910). (Shameless thread promotion)

Anyway, I posted these two facts:


I'd like to hear some thoughts given the wider audience of this thread.

Ok, I wasn't up to date on that. Clearly, it means 32 GB is possible. It will just depend on whether or not Apple can get it at a price that is good for their margins. Granted I doubt they are $100 more expensive than 16 GB chips, so it would matter what the 16GB chip cost was as it would (presumably) become the new low-end unless they went for a 8/16/32 offering structure. If they want to create a new pricing level for it, then I would be surprised to not see it come the hardware update.

[tirerim]

Rumor is you will be able to attach a USB powered electric shaver and control the settings via an application and keep track of your shaving history so you can post automatically on twitter every time you shave.

USB powered? That's nothing, the Pomegranate Phone (http://www.pomegranatephone.com/) has a shaver built in. ;-)

[wepew]

iPhone AV (like iChat AV) would make sense since you could communicate via audio (normal phone call) and do video calls. I can already imagine Phil Shiller demoing that feature when he calls some Apple employee from iChat and the employee sends video from his iPhone. It would even be kind of practical when you're using the headset and holding the phone in front of you.

I have a strong feeling that Steve is going to want to be back to introduce the new iphone, at least I hope so... not that there is any problem with the way things are going now though. If he is back, I can imagine him showing off this feature with Phil just like he did with leopard. That is of course if we get this feature.

[fleshman03]

Ok, I wasn't up to date on that. Clearly, it means 32 GB is possible. It will just depend on whether or not Apple can get it at a price that is good for their margins. Granted I doubt they are $100 more expensive than 16 GB chips, so it would matter what the 16GB chip cost was as it would (presumably) become the new low-end unless they went for a 8/16/32 offering structure. If they want to create a new pricing level for it, then I would be surprised to not see it come the hardware update.

You're right about the pricing structure and it's questions. However I would make another point.

If they bump the iPhone to 64 using these new single die chips and bump the iPod Touch to 64*2 128gb, then you can kill off the iPod Classic. The iPod Touch would finally be at the point that it equals the regular iPod. (In terms of storage.)

(I honestly like the iPod classic, btw.)

[chrmjenkins]

You're right about the pricing structure and it's questions. However I would make another point.

If they bump the iPhone to 64 using these new single die chips and bump the iPod Touch to 64*2 128gb, then you can kill off the iPod Classic. The iPod Touch would finally be at the point that it equals the regular iPod. (In terms of storage.)

(I honestly like the iPod classic, btw.)

I don't see them killing off the classic soon. It still has a big GB/$ advantage and not everyone wants the fancy touch interface and apps. Some people still just want a plain old iPod.

[JoeDMD]

iphone HD

or iPhilm

[sam10685]

Video should just be a software update. All it is is really rapid picture taking.

[iMacmatician]

Another interesting possibility is that Apple may have settled on the Marvell PXA168 ARM (http://www.marvell.com/featured/pxa168.jsp) chip as the heart of a future device. Some unconfirmed claims point to Apple buying up supplies of this chip which is reportedly also due in the July timeframe. The Marvell PXA168 CPU was announced (http://www.tomshardware.com/news/Mobile-Processor-1GHz,6814.html) in January of this year and aims to provide "entry-level laptop" capabilities to consumer electronic devices. Mini-tablet? ;)

iPhone2,2: Updated existing iPhone
iPhone3,1: New iPhone (7.2 Mb, video recording)
iProd0,1: Mini-tablet (PXA168, larger display)

?

[kugino]

i have the 16GB first-gen iphone so am chomping at the bit for the next iphone...more so than the actual hardware itself, though, i'm excited about what the 3.0 software portends for this new iphone...turn-by-turn gps, maybe a good golf gps app, possibility of using external keyboards, and many others i can't fathom due to the poverty of my imagination.

sign me up!

[TheVille1974]

I thought I remember a front page story from a few days ago stating the current iPhone 3G can only handle 3.6 Mbit/s HSPA?

No, it can handle 7.2 and is advertised at 7.2 Mbit in Italy and other European countries. The thing is our 3G infrastructure in the US sucks so badly that ATT couldn't possibly support this (yet).

[ppdix]

But, they should upgrade the camera to Nokia and Samsung standards... At least 5MP... That would be great.

[reckless2k2]

I'm putting money on it being named:

iPhone 3.0


You've got the:

iPhone
3G iPhone (Version 2)


Many people know the 3G is the second version so Apple fans will know the difference. The 3.0 name will coincide with the 3.0 firmware making the "whole" experience rather smooth until the 4.0 firmware running on the 3.0 device comes out. Hahaha. That version will be iPhone R4 or V4 iPhone. Seriously though...I'm sure it's iPhone 3.0.


faster 3G
wireless N
32GB HD options
video capability
the other 3.0 firmware goodness


What it will not have is a better camera. Still stuck with 1.3 probably. I don't think they can do better camera in that small of a space. They'd have to make the device fatter for better camera.

[deannnnn]

This is so great.
I really cannot wait, lol.

[zlinger]

iPhone HD this year, and then iPhone IMAX next year.

[BRLawyer]

Me neither...this new iPhone is gonna be so much ahead of the stupid competition that other makers will just give up...now the only thing blocking me from having one:

WHEN WILL MY MORONIC CARRIER START OFFERING IPHONES in Switzerland?

[lftrghtparadigm]

No, it can handle 7.2 and is advertised at 7.2 Mbit in Italy and other European countries. The thing is our 3G infrastructure in the US sucks so badly that ATT couldn't possibly support this (yet).

It's faster in other places as well. Not sure why only a new iPhone could support AT&T 7.2mb. Other than forcing people to upgrade it seems a faster AT&T network would at least be supported by the current 3G. Or possibly, are they trying to break up the user base to unclog the network? New iPhones only on new network means less bogging down of current infrastructure for all.

[koobcamuk]

Does anyone think Apple will start adding the year for the iPhone model? Like iPhone 2009 or iPhone '09, like iWork '09 or iLife '09.

No.

Because then when it takes them 18 months to make a new one (or 2 years) people will be going crazy.

[emesquita]

My thoughts on iPhone Classic and iPhone Nano! :D

[talkingfuture]

Good to see the rumours kicking off into full swing about the next iPhone now. Fingers crossed this will be the one that makes me cave in and buy it.

[koobcamuk]

iPhone AV ...

iPhone Adult Video. Now that would help it sell in Japan.

iPhoneHD :D You heard it here 1st.

That's crap. Utter crap. Awful. Why HD? 720p on a 3.5" screen? REALLY? No way.

Let's focus on what matters.

[8CoreWhore]

Rumor is you will be able to attach a USB powered electric shaver and control the settings via an application and keep track of your shaving history so you can post automatically on twitter every time you shave.

:D:D:D BEAUTIFUL!!!! :D:D:D

[devildog820]

So with Boy Genius Report's, uh, report about Apple and AT&T working together on a U-Verse application and standardizing the AT&T interface...

I am thinking that the U-Verse DVRs will feature Apple TV software and other capabilities. Maybe a shot across TiVo's bow?

[BlizzardBomb]

Please, stop the ridiculous N WiFi rumors.

N WiFi is absolutely unnecessary for the iphone. It would be a waste of money and a waste of battery power, and Apple is not that stupid.

Ahem. (http://www.broadcom.com/products/Wireless-LAN/802.11-Wireless-LAN-Solutions/BCM4329)

...the BCM4329 uses single-stream 802.11n to transmit and receive data. This significantly reduces the system's footprint and power consumption when compared to multi-stream solutions. Despite the use of a single antenna, the BCM4329 provides faster and more reliable wireless connections than current 802.11g products...

To eliminate the cost and size barriers of adding dual-band functionality to mobile devices, the BCM4329 integrates 2.4 GHz and 5 GHz CMOS power amplifiers, which can reduce bill-of-material (BOM) costs by up to 75 cents... Broadcom's extreme integration also reduces power consumption and makes BCM4329 designs fifteen percent smaller than those based on its predecessor.

[iOrlando]

the more features are announced, the more i think there will be a "high-end' model which include all of the said features and then the "low-end" which is what we have now.

$100 for low end. $300-$400 for high end. (prices with 2 year contracts..)

[kappaknight]

I live in Washington, DC. and ride the metro train a lot. Everyone that has t-mobile, verizon, and other services still plug away on their phone with phone calls and text messages. I glance at my iphone and as soon as I walk in through the doors my reception drops. It would be nice to just be able to access my phone the same areas other services seem to be able to.

Also, everyone is talking about faster speeds. How about first having a reliable service? What is the point of faster speeds if your connection drops every 10 seconds or goes down for minutes on end? It absolutely sucks just standing there and doing funny poses like your a pair of rabbit ear television antenna trying desperately to get reception because your business call keeps dropping off for no reason.

Why don't you petition at&t to line the subway tunnels with antennas? The only reason people in DC like Verizon is cause they chose to make their coverage usable underground in the metro. at&t is welcome to do the same if they want.

[QCassidy352]

I don't see them killing off the classic soon. It still has a big GB/$ advantage and not everyone wants the fancy touch interface and apps. Some people still just want a plain old iPod.

I don't disagree, but apple might. They are clearly pushing the whole multi-touch thing (see: the current generation of laptops). The very fact that they named it the "classic" suggests it's an old design and not the future.

Make no doubt about it - the classic's days are numbered. The only question is whether it has one more "revision" (price/storage adjustment, most likely) in it or whether this is the end.

[jayducharme]

I'm currently running two networks in my house to get around this, kind or a PITA. 802.11n is a must for the next iPhone, I don't want to keep running g hardware for no reason.

It's interesting that Apple has just released their new Airport Extreme base station to counter that problem; N and G networks are kept separate. If Apple were to release an iPhone with N wireless, it would make their new base station rather pointless. Instead, maybe the new iPhone will "unthrottle" the current G connection so that it runs at full speed.

[koobcamuk]

iPhone. It'll be iPhone.

I refer to mine as an iPhone except around here. People call their iPods "iPods". They don't start saying iPod 3G or iPod 5.5G... that's just us lot.

No everyone know that there's 3G on board, they'll just be excited about the new iPhone.

Apple are quite lucky... Sony SE980i or Nokia 3430e names are just soooo 90s.

[emesquita]

I'd be glad if they added more storage, reduced the thickness, and added video to the new iPhone. They already have the software and the App store, no? This would be the "Classic" iPhone, so to speak.

And...

A brand new iPhone model, like a nano or something.

[cwingrav]

Great. I sure hope the new iPhone's ease of posting videos to YouTube doesn't degrade the current high-levels of quality we are used to watching.

[jonhaxor]

No, it can handle 7.2 and is advertised at 7.2 Mbit in Italy and other European countries. The thing is our 3G infrastructure in the US sucks so badly that ATT couldn't possibly support this (yet).

yet? wow you really are optimistic .. i'd put this more like ATT could *never* support this .. with fragmented standards here in the US and a general lack of disagreement between vendors topped off with the FCC putting their nose into everything while wrapping more bureaucratic red tape around everything it's a wonder we're not still on AMPS

[chrmjenkins]

No, it can handle 7.2 and is advertised at 7.2 Mbit in Italy and other European countries. The thing is our 3G infrastructure in the US sucks so badly that ATT couldn't possibly support this (yet).

The US doesn't compare to Europe both in population density or geographic area. It's a lot more investment with less return to have 3G everywhere here. Same goes for broadband.

I don't disagree, but apple might. They are clearly pushing the whole multi-touch thing (see: the current generation of laptops). The very fact that they named it the "classic" suggests it's an old design and not the future.

Make no doubt about it - the classic's days are numbered. The only question is whether it has one more "revision" (price/storage adjustment, most likely) in it or whether this is the end.

I agree that it will leave eventually, but not soon. People will want 50+ GB of space without paying an arm and a leg to get it with features they don't want. Doesn't make sense to ditch it, at least not yet.

[fleshman03]

Now here's some interesting Info:

Source (http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2009/03/23/att-new-iphone-will-be-hot-son/)
We can’t tell you where or who, but pretty high up in AT&T’s food chain, the following was reported to be said:

New iPhone announcement around mid-June (duh)
New iPhone will be faster and have a more seamless experience unmatched by any device (could be just talking about 3.0, but we think it’s also a new iPhone)
U-Verse iPhone application; will allow control of your home DVR (play, pause, rewind, etc.)
The annual iPhone launch is “becoming a tradition.”
Nothing official is being confirmed, but they said that people should prep for an exciting time this summer.
AT&T is said to be working with Apple to create a unified product with an unparalleled experience across all their products and services.
Apple’s 3.0 software should tell us where the iPhone platform is going… uh, k?
They said customers shouldn’t need to choose from AT&T’s high-end devices because of features, they should choose based on preferences. The gap in capability should be filled with the new iPhone. Ok, bets on slide out QWERTY, autofocus camera, video sharing, blah blah?
Seems like the higher speed HSDPA (7.2Mbps) is being hinted at too which should confirm the earlier rumors of the new Infineon chipset.
The $99 3G netbook will start selling this summer, and the first one won’t be a Windows OS.
For clarification, the above is 100% confirmed.

[lftrghtparadigm]

It's interesting that Apple has just released their new Airport Extreme base station to counter that problem; N and G networks are kept separate. If Apple were to release an iPhone with N wireless, it would make their new base station rather pointless Instead, maybe the new iPhone will "unthrottle" the current G connection so that it runs at full speed.

Yes. This is much more likely and the new base station is a good indicator of that. The new iPhone will have a faster processor, unthrottling the g connection, making it at least as fast as a netbook on g.

That would be more than acceptable, IMHO.

[Hattig]

Hmm. The Marvell PXA168 is a nice SoC certainly, however it does have some potential shortcomings:

* It's based upon the Intel XScale, which itself was based upon Digital's StrongARM ARM implementation. As an architecture license (not a core license) this meant that StrongARM was brilliant and fast ... 10 years ago. It's an ARMv5 architecture, whereas ARM cores are now ARMv7 (Cortex A8, etc) and get higher performance per clock. Of course this one is clocked at 1.2GHz.

* The on-board graphics are an unknown. I can see that there is video decode acceleration, but is the 3D good enough to match and exceed the PowerVR MBX in the iPhone?

The Freescale iMX515 SoC, and the Qualcomm Snapdragon, both look like more suitable solutions for a media pad/tablet/netbook system.

[nep61]

They gonna add a DVD drive and FireWire port to it? Perhaps iMovie Go??

Apple killed the FireWire 400 port... the iPhone won't have one. Maybe a FW800 if we're lucky.

And on our new iPhones, we'll be able to remotely access a DVD drive to install software...kind of like the MacBook Air !!!:rolleyes: So I would say no to a superdrive being standard.

[SFStateStudent]

Gawd, I may just restore my JB 3G iPhone....

[8CoreWhore]

The iPhone 3G supports 3rd gen UMTS and HSDPA 3.6, not HSDPA 7.2 or HSUPA (faster uploads). The current aspect ratio is 3:2 - they might change that to 16:9. It's just a little longer. There is room at the top and bottom for this without extending the over-all length. The home button can be smaller and lower down. The resolution can be bumped as well. They may add a second camera in front for iChat. That would make for a great TV Ad. Imagine you're at your computer having an iChat session with a friend. On your monitor is her face in the upper right corner and she's talking to you. The rest of the screen is what she is recording from the other side of the phone. YouTube might launch a Quik type live streaming service... iReport, etc... live streaming video...

[Hattig]

Now here's some interesting Info:

Source (http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2009/03/23/att-new-iphone-will-be-hot-son/)

And there's this: OLED Screens and Apple (http://www.smarthouse.com.au/Home_Office/Industry/W5M8X6Q2?page=1)

[uber_nerd]

Not sure if anyone said this yet (haven't read all the posts), I believe the one feature Apple will push in the next generation iPhone will indeed be Video except with one giant leap... In phone video editing.


Another interesting possibility is that Apple may have settled on the Marvell PXA168 ARM (http://www.marvell.com/featured/pxa168.jsp) chip as the heart of a future device. Some unconfirmed claims point to Apple buying up supplies of this chip which is reportedly also due in the July timeframe. The Marvell PXA168 CPU was announced (http://www.tomshardware.com/news/Mobile-Processor-1GHz,6814.html) in January of this year and aims to provide "entry-level laptop" capabilities to consumer electronic devices.


Think about it. The possibility of an "entry-level laptop" capabilities, just screams for such an advanced feature. If you really want a phone to be this convergence device everyone screams, whines and grasps for, the last thing you want to do is upload crappy unedited clips to youtube, or remember to sync your phone to your computer so you can edit and then upload to youtube.

Bleh, bleh, bleh, BLEH!!!!

After 8 yrs of blogging, I can't tell you how many times I don't bother to blog something anymore because of the hassle of having to deal with media and bring it up to spec before publishing. 5-8 years ago when blogging was still new + cool it was worth the hassle, now that everyone is doing it, its just not worth it.

Also this type of features isn't just for dedicated bloggers or tech-o-philes. More and more people are posting media from their phones directly to facebook, or myspace or what ever other social media platform that is the in thing. What better way to woo your friends but with nice clean content, that you created while waiting for an appointment or in a meeting because whoever was talking was a complete bore.

If this new social media based web 2.0 is to take off, we need small devices that make publishing quality, fast and simple. Syncing to a home computer first is one too many steps in the chain.

I bet Apple sees this and is positioning themselves accordingly. The video quality will also be very good I suspect, if this is the direction apple takes.

Finally, for all the feature-creature trolls who obsessively count specs, but no where in their OCD (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obsessive-compulsive_disorder) assessments consider usability, yes video has been around forever and then some on even the most basic phones, but so far in pretty much every case its implementation has basically been useless. Yes they could capture video, in the same what you can get work done in windoze.

For better or worse apple often waits until they can advance a feature before releasing it. Otherwise, really, why pay the Apple premium?

[mambodancer]

I was waiting till the 129 gig storage, 50 gigawatt megapixel unlocked verizon, data tethering for free, iPhoneInvisa...

But this will do...

:apple::apple::apple:

and don't forget the built-in oscillating over-thruster with the trans-warp inducers across a 50 Jigawatt range. Otherwise it's just a piece of crap.

[branjosef]

Rumor is you will be able to attach a USB powered electric shaver and control the settings via an application and keep track of your shaving history so you can post automatically on twitter every time you shave.

You can also sink it to your music library on your phone and shave according to the beat of the music.

[chrmjenkins]

You can also sink it to your music library on your phone and shave according to the beat of the music.

See everyone, this one includes the kitchen sink.

[branjosef]

See everyone, this one includes the kitchen sink.

Its been a long day and its only 2:00 :eek:

[mdriftmeyer]

Marvell chip would be a dedicated chip to process offloading. It's not the CPU.

[mpeterson78]

Me neither...this new iPhone is gonna be so much ahead of the stupid competition that other makers will just give up...now the only thing blocking me from having one:

WHEN WILL MY MORONIC CARRIER START OFFERING IPHONES in Switzerland?

I was just in Zurich, Switzerland last week and I walked by an Orange store in downtown that was advertising iPhones, complete with the huge window displays like they have at apple stores. You're in europe, so you probably don't have a 2-yr contract. Just head over there and get one!

[kenned]

I'm putting money on it being named:

iPhone 3.0




+1

[Urbanscrawl]

If there is any of you that fancies a flutter - I will put good money on them calling it the iPhone Photo - it would be in line with their previous range names and Steve doesn't like to do anything by halves. Either the camera is a feature that rocks - or it gets a mention and not much else. He is not going to stand up there and say "this very marginal improvement rocks!" - nope - no way. It will be a decent camera, with a video function, and possibly a video editing app to go with it. Fo' Shizzle...

[lftrghtparadigm]

Actually this one will be phonetic,
they'll call it "iPhone Three Oh"

[DARKiLLUSiON]

aw..I have a feeling us Canadian won't be seeing this on launch(if) it does but this brightens up my day :D

[chrmjenkins]

It won't be called iPhone 3.0 because that will confuse it with the software. The iPhone 3G wasn't called iPhone 2.0. They singled out the new phone's most distinguishing feature for the moniker.

I would except iPhone video or something like that.

[wmaney]

As I recall, the iPhone without Apple Care has a one year warranty - Apple care will extend this by another year; if Apple produces a new phone every year (as it has done) and if you buy the latest phone - then why buy Apple Care? Look for a shorter warranty period from Apple - otherwise its just free money to Apple - but love the phone....

[adameels]

iPhone could have two cameras. The whole Video Calling concept would finally take off.

As for the name, iPhone Pro and iPhone Classic ?
iPhone Shuffle. No screen, just have your contacts read out to you via speaker until the one you want appears. :D

Apple killed the FireWire 400 port... the iPhone won't have one. Maybe a FW800 if we're lucky.

And on our new iPhones, we'll be able to remotely access a DVD drive to install software...kind of like the MacBook Air !!!:rolleyes: So I would say no to a superdrive being standard.

I do miss being able to use FireWire for my iPod. It was one less USB port consumed on my PC and Mac. FW800? I'd like that.

[Masklinn]

The US doesn't compare to Europe both in population density or geographic area.
Except 3G networks in high-density places in the US still don't compare to equivalent places in Europe (except maybe Sprint's network).

So no, US cell sucks balls however the way you dice and slice it. And it's not like Europe rocks either on that front, if you want impressive wireless check Korea and Japan (now those are densely populated)
The iPhone 3G supports 3rd gen UMTS and HSDPA 3.6, not HSDPA 7.2 or HSUPA (faster uploads).
The current iPhone 3G supports HSDPA 7.2. What it doesn't support is 14.4 (or HSUPA, or HSPA+)

[QCassidy352]

I agree that it will leave eventually, but not soon. People will want 50+ GB of space without paying an arm and a leg to get it with features they don't want. Doesn't make sense to ditch it, at least not yet.

That's a very logical argument, but people have also been making logical arguments for the xmac/mac pro mini/mac mini pro/headless imac, and we've yet to see any hint that apple cares.

For better or worse, apple's execs don't think like most of us. They deliberately ignore certain sections of the market (gamers, netbook users) simply because it's not their vision for apple.

Multitouch seems to be a big part of that vision, and maximum "value" (dollars per GB/Ghz/fps) does not. I hope I'm wrong, but I've thought since the last time they upgraded the ipods that this was the end of the line for the classic, and I still think so.

Ok, bets on slide out QWERTY

I'll take any bet you want. The chance of a slide out QWERTY on an iphone while Steve Jobs is still breathing is zero.

[Brien]

This is all I want:

3) Bigger screen/smaller body - Of course they can't change it much, but every I'm happy with millimeter.


Actually, if they killed the border between the bezel and screen, either by making the screen bigger or the case smaller - you're looking at a 10% increase in screen size (or decrease in physical dimensions).

Not bad if you ask me.

I think faster internet (both HSUPA or HSPA+ and draft-N) and video recording are a given in the next device. I'm really hoping for a return to the metal back, as well.

I think the next iPhone will probably just be called 'the new iPhone', unless they decide to keep the 3G around as the low-end, in which case it will probably be either iPhone AV, iPhone Video, or - just maybe - iPhone HD.

The iPhone 3G supports 3rd gen UMTS and HSDPA 3.6, not HSDPA 7.2 or HSUPA (faster uploads). The current aspect ratio is 3:2 - they might change that to 16:9. It's just a little longer. There is room at the top and bottom for this without extending the over-all length. The home button can be smaller and lower down. The resolution can be bumped as well. They may add a second camera in front for iChat. That would make for a great TV Ad. Imagine you're at your computer having an iChat session with a friend. On your monitor is her face in the upper right corner and she's talking to you. The rest of the screen is what she is recording from the other side of the phone. YouTube might launch a Quik type live streaming service... iReport, etc... live streaming video...

Speaking of iPhone HD. Did a quick mockup. If they decide to go 16:9 640x400 is the most likely resolution. They could keep the same form factor and easily put a 4" screen in the device, like so:

[Chupa Chupa]

I doubt Apple would go with iPhone video or photo. It's not an iPod. A more likely name, and keeping with current Apple naming conventions would be iPhone Pro. That would also take it to where Apple really wants to go... corporate to compete w/ the Blackberry.

[JMax1]

iPhone. It'll be iPhone.

I refer to mine as an iPhone except around here. People call their iPods "iPods". They don't start saying iPod 3G or iPod 5.5G... that's just us lot.

No everyone know that there's 3G on board, they'll just be excited about the new iPhone.

Apple are quite lucky... Sony SE980i or Nokia 3430e names are just soooo 90s.

+1/2

I agree that generally it'll be called the iPhone, but with a "technical" name of something else. Commercials will call it iPhone, but here at MR and fellow nerds will call it by it's full name. And it will also be called by its full name when it's in trouble (like when your mom yells at you when you get into trouble)

[BRLawyer]

I was just in Zurich, Switzerland last week and I walked by an Orange store in downtown that was advertising iPhones, complete with the huge window displays like they have at apple stores. You're in europe, so you probably don't have a 2-yr contract. Just head over there and get one!

Mine is Sunrise, the ONLY one not offering iPhones...Swisscom and Orange all have 'em...and I don't feel like terminating a contract, paying a fee and getting a new one...WAKE UP, Sunrise!

[Cander]

iPhone Adult Video. Now that would help it sell in Japan.




It would have to be named iPhone Pantyshot to sale in Japan.

[7egend]

iProd refers to the new iPhone Pro, the will retain and keep selling the iPhone 3g and offer it at a cheaper selling price. Consumers will then have a choice between standard iPhone and the pro version much like their computers.

Just my thoughts they could easily soak up the market by having a cheaper and more expensive devicenwith only slight capability differences.

[diemos]

Like I said before, it'll probably not have OLED, but it will have a high rez screen 480x800 or whatever have background apps and better camera, and will be called iPhone Pro. I think.

[Cander]

Like I said before, it'll probably not have OLED, but it will have a high rez screen 480x800 or whatever have background apps and better camera, and will be called iPhone Pro. I think.

I wouldn't count on background apps. They wouldn't have put so much effort in putting down background apps if they were planning on doing it soon. Now maybe the next iPhone in 2010+ after enough developers have complained that they don't like the new Push, or the Push turns out to be as bad or worse than MobileMe was.

[Mintin8]

Personally, I don't think it will be called the iPhone pro. The may make a version called the iPhone pro which has better specs than another. I hope all of these rumours are true. The iPhone will dominate the mobile market!

[manhattanboy]

HSPDA would be something I would buy - more portable internet speed.

just remember that AT&T caps the internet speed to 1.5 mbs...
just because you can doesn't mean you will

[ux4all]

It would make a lot of sense to have performance separation and not just a variation in disk space.

The thing is, if we follow the acronym rule around here... it might be called the I.P.P.?

cmon, that's funny.

[Hattig]

Speaking of iPhone HD. Did a quick mockup. If they decide to go 16:9 640x400 is the most likely resolution. They could keep the same form factor and easily put a 4" screen in the device, like so:

Well, 640x400 is 16:10, not 16:9.

640x360 would be 16:9. That would fit in the same width as the current iPhone (at the worst you would have a slightly higher DPI on the screen), but maybe a little bit taller. The problem here is that it's not much different in horizontal pixels (360 vs 320) from the existing device, yet could disrupt many applications. Otherwise I don't think you need much more.

I simply don't have an idea what Apple plans with regards to the phone's screen. Maybe one model will keep the current screen, and the high end will have a higher resolution ~800x480 OLED screen ... nothing has been rumoured yet except maybe OLED.

[bigtriece]

They should have put the Intel Atom into the iphone. Big mistake by apple on not putting the atom into the iphone.

[iMacmatician]

Not sure if anyone said this yet (haven't read all the posts), I believe the one feature Apple will push in the next generation iPhone will indeed be Video except with one giant leap... In phone video editing.I see mobile iMovie in the rumored mini-tablet ("iProd"?).

[Manic Mouse]

They should have put the Intel Atom into the iphone. Big mistake by apple on not putting the atom into the iphone.

No they didn't, the ARM CPUs are much much MUCH more power efficient. With Atom you would be looking at make the already not-so-great battery life of the iPhone even worse.

[powers74]

Does anyone think Apple will start adding the year for the iPhone model? Like iPhone 2009 or iPhone '09, like iWork '09 or iLife '09.



Makes sense, but it would be a touch weird when it gets to 2010. further confused by their operating system designations.

[mdriftmeyer]

They should have put the Intel Atom into the iphone. Big mistake by apple on not putting the atom into the iphone.

Wrong. the Multi-Core ARM 9x is the future for the iPhone.
http://www.arm.com/products/CPUs/ARMCortex-A9_MPCore.html

The Marvell looks to be more of the application chip for AppleTV and to offload from the CPU. The specs are targeting the AppleTV whereas the ARMCortex-A9_MPCore targets the iPhone with the upcoming GPGPUs from Imagination Technologies [http://www.imgtec.com/] PowerVR.

The AppleTV would use the Marvell for offloading from its Intel CPU to add more valuation/performance without having to move to the Core2Duo CPU and add considerable cost from the current set up.

[Goona]

Really? Most phones have had that functionality for years. How about iPhone MMS? :eek::p:D

Seriously though, I hope the next iPhone has a lot more than just a few catchup features. I mean, the current iPhone 3G is perfect for my needs right now (and will be even better once I get all the "catchup" features included in 3.0) but I'm looking forward to a faster chip and better screen res.

I'm just not sure what the next revolutionary thing is going to be.Well all the iphone 3g had was "catchup features" but yet it sold.

This is silly, the 1st Gen. iPhone has a video camera too! Apple just has not released software to use it -- Jailbreak your iPhone, and you will find a few video capture applications -- obviously Apple's idea is planned obsolescence and they won't add all the features people thought they would eventually get with phone hardware that is capable! Greedy corporations as usual...

But yet you knew this but still went and bought it, very smart of you.

[marine610610]

Its too bad there isn't a "build your own iPhone" page on Apple's website.

I have been holding out for the new iPhone for months, if the only real change is added video i will be pissed off i waited this long. That is one feature i really could not care less about. More storage space, faster connections speeds, maybe some improvements on the apps that are already out there...multi core..the important stuff! :D

[lazyrighteye]

I.P.P.?

"Yeah you know me!"
Sorry, the Naughty By Nature in me couldn't pass on that one. ;)

[BlizzardBomb]

They should have put the Intel Atom into the iphone. Big mistake by apple on not putting the atom into the iphone.

Just because Intel is the biggest name in CPUs, doesn't mean their stuff is the best. The Atom doesn't come close to the efficiency of ARM processors.

[marine610610]

But yet you knew this but still went and bought it, very smart of you.

That is not right. Maybe he got it thinking Apple would be just a little less greedy than they usually are and unlock a feature that the device is capable of. I guess that would be asking too much?

It makes you feel hustled in a way. Its like buying an SUV and having a lock over the 4 wheel drive switch because the manufacture wants to hold out and have you buy next years model to get that feature. You still paid for equipment capable of doing the job, the technology is there, they just want to hit you for another 600.00 if you want to use it. Defend every move Apple makes if you want, someone always will...

[lftrghtparadigm]

It seems highly logical to keep the 8gb iPhone 3G, lower it to $99, and introduce an iPhone Pro. You may not like the same but it makes sense. The above features would characterize it as a Pro version of its former self. Double the connection speed, Video over Photo, larger capacities.

All of it sounds like an iPhone Pro to me. Would fit perfectly with the overall product line. Great stuff.

Too bad aluminum didn't work out because it would be nice to see a return. Hopefully a new chip is powerful enough to overwhelm the poor audio signal.

[manu chao]

The US doesn't compare to Europe both in population density or geographic area. It's a lot more investment with less return to have 3G everywhere here. Same goes for broadband.

There is a difference between not covering sparsely populated areas and not offering high-speed in densely populated one. The former is fully understandable, the latter just means they are slow. If you look at the population density in the areas AT&T has 3G coverage and compare it with the population density in the areas where you have 3G coverage in a lot of European countries (+ certain Asian ones), the US population density is not lower anymore.

[nigrunze]

7.2Mbps mobile internet. That's as fast if not faster than what many Canadians have for wired home internet. Wholesale DSL ISPs in Ontario and Quebec are still stuck with 5mbps, which is actually 4.3mbps after overhead. Although 3.5G will likely have quite a bit of overhead, the speed will probably end up at around 6.1mbps.

[Goona]

That is not right. Maybe he got it thinking Apple would be just a little less greedy than they usually are and unlock a feature that the device is capable of. I guess that would be asking too much?

It makes you feel hustled in a way. Its like buying an SUV and having a lock over the 4 wheel drive switch because the manufacture wants to hold out and have you buy next years model to get that feature. You still paid for equipment capable of doing the job, the technology is there, they just want to hit you for another 600.00 if you want to use it. Defend every move Apple makes if you want, someone always will...

Defend, why don't you buy what you need now instead of hoping what a company will add later. If you wanted video and it didn't have it in the first place, you shouldn't have bought it period.

[D3lta]

All I want is cut, copy, and paste!

Whaaaa? Its on its way? Ah crap! I need to find something else to bitch about. Damn it!

For the next iphone, I am pretty satisfied with the new additions to the OS Software that was my main hindrance with the phone.

On the physical side? Video recording, yes, will be nice as long as it comes with a more advanced better camera. At least 3mp please. Larger storage size definite.

Software end? Please block my IM if my phone is locked. It is annoying to see my messages blaring across the screen even though I have the phone locked. What kind of security is that? Just, at most, display "you have new text message" and allow me to get to it, not display who its from and the message. Same with voice mail. Also being able to run safari and another program at same time or the ability to save the web page and not have to reload it every time I leave the screen and come back would be nice.

I think they will still keep the 3G name around for at least one generation of the Iphone Video but then drop the 3g after it becomes standard across the board the following revision. Need to be able to distinguish with the public the changes and keep a lower price entry item/point, etc.

That feature is already there.

Settings > General > Passcode Lock > Show SMS Preview (set to Off).

" Name
Text Message"

That's how it looks.

[Hattig]

They should have put the Intel Atom into the iphone. Big mistake by apple on not putting the atom into the iphone.

What? The iPhone came out a year before the Atom, the Atom uses 10x too much power for a phone CPU, it idles 100x higher, it requires about 20x more motherboard real estate (i.e., right now it can't fit into a phone form factor without destroying the form factor) because of the chipset, and the chipset itself uses 50x too much power for the form factor.

[chrmjenkins]

"Yeah you know me!"
Sorry, the Naughty By Nature in me couldn't pass on that one. ;)

I have a lazy right eye too. Should we start a club?


There is a difference between not covering sparsely populated areas and not offering high-speed in densely populated one. The former is fully understandable, the latter just means they are slow. If you look at the population density in the areas AT&T has 3G coverage and compare it with the population density in the areas where you have 3G coverage in a lot of European countries (+ certain Asian ones), the US population density is not lower anymore.

Arguably, they have less incentive. Since a lot of people who use data use unlimited plans, which are all the same price, why provide so much better service in urban areas when you only get the same amount of money that someone using EDGE does?

[Scottsdale]

How about:

iPhone 3V
iPhone V3

Could show video or version capabilities in name. While that is what I was thinking, I would have preferred the iPhone just stay iPhone when they called the new one 3G. It makes sense to keep the version number quiet and not ruin it with 3G one capability of an amazing phone. Could call it T for tethering... CCP for Cut Copy Paste... or just video V...

iPhone T
iPhone CCP
iPhone V

What I like best... iPhone

[iansilv]

Is the Marvell chip a multi core chip?

[fleshman03]

Mini-tablet? ;)

iPhone2,2: Updated existing iPhone
iPhone3,1: New iPhone (7.2 Mb, video recording)
iProd0,1: Mini-tablet (PXA168, larger display)

?

That's my thoughts.

[ipoppy]

I'm putting money on it being named:

iPhone 3.0



Nope...
the iPhone AV
...I bet this iPhone will come out with iChat AV:D

[w00master]

How about just iPhone?

[JensenJJ]

They should have put the Intel Atom into the iphone. Big mistake by apple on not putting the atom into the iphone.

Atom is nice becouse it's x86 and has a lot of power compert to how mutch power it's uses.
And then it's small some great for a Media center/DVR/PVR/Stuff like that.

When you can then don't use the x86 CPU.
It's cheap and have gotten a lot of updates.
But for phone use some CPU that is made for phones, and then get an OS that can run on them.

If you look in hardware then many switch today are starting to use cheap x86 chips in them.
But if you go up in high end Pro high speed switchs then you will see they are usen PowerPC chip becouse they are better then x86.

So long story short, Atom is a great x86 CPU, but x86 sucks if you want to get the bedst preformens whit as little power as posibel

[iMacmatician]

Completely agreed. Also, Moorestown (SoC) will help Atom further.

[B2k1977]

Some people have 32Gb+ of songs/podcasts/video. Some people like to carry all their music in their pocket and have ditched their ipod for their phone.
I have 40Gb+ of music, and use smart playlists to manage what's on my phone, but I wish there was more capacity. 16gb is days of music, but when that one track you want isn't on there at the time it's really irritating.


I bought the 8GB thinking, it'll be enough for apps, and I don't plan on using it as an "ipod" as much as a "phone/internet device". Well that was when I first got it, now I hate my ipod and all I want is the phone, I carry headphones, it works w/ my car stereo, the capacity is just not there. 32gb would probably make me buy a new one, but 64GB is what is needed, and I am willing to pay for it.

[Hattig]

Is the Marvell chip a multi core chip?

Nope. I think it is destined for the next generation Apple TV, along with a price drop.

[iDDiction]

iPhone 3G2 (2 being a superscript for the third generation iPhone that is 3G; 3G squared)

[rhett7660]

I'm going to cry about not being able to put a picture on the home screen or change the icons to some crappy scheme of my own choosing

I won't cry... but I hear yeah. This is one of the only things I would like to see...

[marine610610]

Defend, why don't you buy what you need now instead of hoping what a company will add later. If you wanted video and it didn't have it in the first place, you shouldn't have bought it period.

The iPhone is rarely every a NEED for anyone.. There are a few people for whom its financially advantageous, im willing to bet that is a tiny portion of iPhone owners.

iPhones are purchased to satisfy wants...

[ddTaylor]

http://www.macrumors.com/images/macrumorsthreadlogo.gif (http://www.macrumors.com/2009/03/23/next-generation-iphone-7-2mbit-video-camera-more/)

Last week some more details (http://www.macrumors.com/2009/03/20/next-generation-iphone-to-have-faster-internet-speeds/) about the next iPhone revision continued leaking out.

First, there were spottings (http://www.macrumors.com/2009/03/19/iphone-os-3-0-beta-references-four-unknown-products/) of new Apple device IDs found embedded within the iPhone 3.0 firmware. Silicon Alley Insider then claimed (http://www.macrumors.com/2009/03/20/next-generation-iphone-to-have-faster-internet-speeds/) that the next iPhone would come with "much faster internet". Finally, AppleInsider said that the new iPhone would indeed have a video camera (http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/09/03/20/source_apples_next_gen_iphone_has_video_camera.html), supporting evidence of video publishing screenshots (http://www.macrumors.com/2009/03/19/upload-video-screen-suggests-video-capabilities-in-next-iphone/) also found in iPhone 3.0.

It's not surprising that the number of leaks is increasing as Apple does have to keep their carrier partners at least somewhat informed heading into a new release. We've also continue to hear unconfirmed whispers and have specifically heard that the new iPhone with support a 7.2Mbit chipset.

Another interesting possibility is that Apple may have settled on the Marvell PXA168 ARM (http://www.marvell.com/featured/pxa168.jsp) chip as the heart of a future device. Some unconfirmed claims point to Apple buying up supplies of this chip which is reportedly also due in the July timeframe. The Marvell PXA168 CPU was announced (http://www.tomshardware.com/news/Mobile-Processor-1GHz,6814.html) in January of this year and aims to provide "entry-level laptop" capabilities to consumer electronic devices.

Article Link: Next Generation iPhone: 7.2Mbit, Video Camera, More? (http://www.macrumors.com/2009/03/23/next-generation-iphone-7-2mbit-video-camera-more/)

I have not read this post yet - and I am sure this point has been touched upon - but wouldn't this make complete sense for the NetBook? I would guess that would be a PERFECT chip for the NetBook/Tablet/Large iPod Touch or whatever they are going to call it (as long as it is not Vaporware!).

D

[lftrghtparadigm]

I won't cry... but I hear yeah. This is one of the only things I would like to see...

I don't see this making it's way into the official iPhone OS. At the most changing the background of the Home Screen could happen, but no way does Apple enable changing icons or "themes" of any kind. Not a chance.

[iMacoo7]

I agree with most that the new iPhone will be named iPhone Pro or even iPhoneAV
It makes sense, since the new iphone will/should have a better camera (Maybe a better CMOS lens )
Only time will tell the true outcome of it all.

[kdarling]

Doesn't seem likely that they'd call it the...

iPhone HD

... since there's already the...

Omnia HD (with HD video recording)

As far as memory goes, too bad Apple won't put in a memory slot or two. It's getting pretty easy to pop in 16GB cards these days, and 32GB is coming down fast.

[iMacmatician]

I have not read this post yet - and I am sure this point has been touched upon - but wouldn't this make complete sense for the NetBook? I would guess that would be a PERFECT chip for the NetBook/Tablet/Large iPod Touch or whatever they are going to call it (as long as it is not Vaporware!).That's also what I've been thinking.

[wizard]

Seriously apple should advertise this new "phone" as a device that meets all of your social computing needs. For example:

Chamber #1 = E-Mail
Chamber #2 = high speed web access
Chamber #3 = cell communications
Chamber #4 = full GPS.
Chamber #5 = full support for app I/O
Chamber #6 = games

Of course while our European friends continually orgasm over the speed of their networks they will fail to see the American bent in the above.


Notice that I mentioned zip with respect to cameras. While technology wise there are some very good upgrades available that recently have become available they do not represent the improvement I'm looking for. So yeah we could easily see 720P in the new phone but I don't expect huge strides in sesitivity or image quality.

Frankly I'm if the opinion that the biggest problem Apple will have is properly sizing the battery. Right now Apple can improve the power profile with respect to just about every chip in the iPhone. That a good, the bad is that a lot more functionality will be embedded in the devices. Functionality that people will be very likely to use. The simple act of fullfilling the want of video capture will be a battery killer. This is where I hope they pull their heads out of their collective asses and provide us with at least one phone with a swapable battery. Frankly for miluch the same reason that I carry a spare battery for my SLR.


Dave

[wizard]

The iPhone is rarely every a NEED for anyone.. There are a few people for whom its financially advantageous, im willing to bet that is a tiny portion of iPhone owners.

iPhones are purchased to satisfy wants...

A third component here is that a small number are trying to find a solution where the iPhone or more specifically apps make money for them.

There is also one more component in that iPhone can in some cases be a persons only communications device. I know that I've gotten rid of my land line and other ISPs to use only the iPhone. So it certainly a want but it is also a solution to common comunications needs. There are no absolutes here.


Dave

[Stewie86]

Be great if as well as the regular iPhone they offered an iPhone Special Edition:

Metal back
8mp camera that shoots 720p video (think Flip Mino) + Flash, focus etc.
32gb
Faster CPU and 256mb RAM
30 hours audio playback, 20 hours 2g talktime, 10 hours 3g talktime, 12 hours video/web browsing

£299/$499 + Contract.

Right on the dot. That sir, is all I'm asking for. On my wish list included all yours has plus Landscape texting, cut copy & paste and MMS. Since all of those are already on their way, and video is a shoo-in, all I want is a larger MP camera, More GB storage and a farfetched Video chat/calling.

[PCMacUser]

Well, if the iPhone does feature HD video recording, it'll probably be terrible quality because of the tiny sensor they'd have to fit in it. It would put a lot of pressure on its storage capabilities too. Perhaps they should step out on a limb and make the memory expandable.

With a higher resolution still camera, perhaps they could incorporate OCR software in the phone.

[winterspan]

I apologize if this has been covered, but I don't have the time to read through 10 pages of posts at the moment.

Now, let me preface my comment by acknowledging I am NOT a hardware engineer or even in the IC industry, but I do try to stay current with basic knowledge of CPU hardware and related stuff.. So don't quote on my anything as gospel.

That said, there are a few problems with this idea that a future iPhone would uses the Marvell chip, not least because Marvell itself doesn't list "smartphones" or "cellphones" even in their optimistic product literature as a recommended application.

More importantly, Marvell's "PXA168" (like all their app processors) is based on an ARM-compatible CPU core that is derived from the original Intel XScale architecture. Currently, it is only compatible with ARMv5 architecture which equates to the (older) ARM9 cores. Now that is not to say the performance is like an ARM9, just that it uses the old instruction set. The current iPhone uses a processor that has a standard ARM11 core and so uses the ARMv6 instruction set. I'm not positive, but I am assuming Apple's mobile OSX is compiled for ARMv6 (and possibly also uses a special SIMD/FP accelerator on the chipset) to utilize all the latest ARM features.

However advanced it may be, using a CPU that uses ARMv5 seems like a big step backward considering the latest version of ARM is the ARMv7 instruction set that is utilized by the "Cortex-A8" processing core -- the new hot rod of the ARM world. This is the core used in the new generation of smartphone processors from T.I., Qualcomm, and other key players.

I would be VERY surprised if the next iPhone did not use a ARM SoC that has the Cortex-A8 core since it seems like the logical next step. The only alternative I could see realistically is a newer, die-shrunk dual-core ARM11. Similarly, There is pretty much no way the next iPhone will use the next-gen dual-core Cortex-A9 as although the design is complete, it will not even be in a shipping commercial chip for another year.

More info on the Marvell PXA168:
http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS3542687598.html

Outline of ARM generations:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARM_architecture#ARM_cores

P.S. anyone with advanced knowledge of the iPhone's low-level compiler architecture want to comment..

[wizard]

The Marvel chip is very interesting but I don't see it going into iPhone. For one it isn't a Cortex platform and two it is to power hungery from what I can see. Even in Apple TV I'd question the chip. The primary reason being the thought that iPhone app compatibility would be huge here. Games being the app that would most likely be played there.


Dave

[chrmjenkins]

I apologize if this has been covered, but I don't have the time to read through 10 pages of posts at the moment.

Now, let me preface my comment by acknowledging I am NOT a hardware engineer or even in the IC industry, but I do try to stay current with basic knowledge of CPU hardware and related stuff.. So don't quote on my anything as gospel.

That said, there are a few problems with this idea that a future iPhone would uses the Marvell chip, not least because Marvell itself doesn't list "smartphones" or "cellphones" even in their optimistic product literature as a recommended application.

More importantly, Marvell's "PXA168" (like all their app processors) is based on an ARM-compatible CPU core that is derived from the original Intel XScale architecture. Currently, it is only compatible with ARMv5 architecture which equates to the (older) ARM9 cores. Now that is not to say the performance is like an ARM9, just that it uses the old instruction set. The current iPhone uses a processor that has a standard ARM11 core and so uses the ARMv6 instruction set. I'm not positive, but I am assuming Apple's mobile OSX is compiled for ARMv6 (and possibly also uses a special SIMD/FP accelerator on the chipset) to utilize all the latest ARM features.

However advanced it may be, using a CPU that uses ARMv5 seems like a big step backward considering the latest version of ARM is the ARMv7 instruction set that is utilized by the "Cortex-A8" processing core -- the new hot rod of the ARM world. This is the core used in the new generation of smartphone processors from T.I., Qualcomm, and other key players.

I would be VERY surprised if the next iPhone did not use a ARM SoC that has the Cortex-A8 core since it seems like the logical next step. The only alternative I could see realistically is a newer, die-shrunk dual-core ARM11. Similarly, There is pretty much no way the next iPhone will use the next-gen dual-core Cortex-A9 as although the design is complete, it will not even be in a shipping commercial chip for another year.

More info on the Marvell PXA168:
http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS3542687598.html

Outline of ARM generations:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARM_architecture#ARM_cores

P.S. anyone with advanced knowledge of the iPhone's low-level compiler architecture want to comment..

Your analysis is spot-on. I, for lack of information, took their chip to be a general purpose processor. Based on further info I've seen, it seems to be a task processor.

[JensenJJ]

Be great if as well as the regular iPhone they offered an iPhone Special Edition:

Metal back
8mp camera that shoots 720p video (think Flip Mino) + Flash, focus etc.
32gb
Faster CPU and 256mb RAM
30 hours audio playback, 20 hours 2g talktime, 10 hours 3g talktime, 12 hours video/web browsing

£299/$499 + Contract.

1) Go don't to you local eletronic store and look at some of the HD HDD cams you can get for private use.
They are small but not as small as a cell phone.
Now you wan't all of that, plus all the normal iPhones features, and it still have to be the size of a cell phone?

The optic (lens) have more to say then MegaPixel.
get a 8-10MP phone camara and then get a 5MP DSLR with a good lens on it.
And you are still able to get better pictures whit the 5MP camara then with a phone camara.

2) So you want faster CPU, and dobble the batteri time of the 3G version.
Yes you can get a CPU that is faster and uses less power, but I don't thing anyone have made a cpu that is faster and only uses half the power, in 1 year of develoment

[utahnguy]

iProd refers to the new iPhone Pro, the will retain and keep selling the iPhone 3g and offer it at a cheaper selling price. Consumers will then have a choice between standard iPhone and the pro version much like their computers.

Just my thoughts they could easily soak up the market by having a cheaper and more expensive devicenwith only slight capability differences.

This guy is a genius! This guess basically ties everything together..

I wondered myself why they were putting so much emphasis on 3.0 being fully compatible with the 3G when they were obviously releasing a new phone within a few months.. but I mean think about it, Apple is a very financially savvy company and in a financially tight period I'm sure they'll exercise this strength even more. If you were given the task of making the iPhone line as profitable as humanly possible while still delivering all the bells, whistles, and improvements that people expect from such an innovative company, you would juice every last drop of profitability out of the 3G (which is still an amazing device that with the app store and 3.0, is really everything that many people want from their phone) by throwing the 3.0 bone at it to satiate any remaining qualms (MMS, copy & paste, push, turn-by-turn GPS, etc..) you breath at very least another year of market domination and demand into it. I see 16GB standard and a max subsidized price of $199, possibly $99 if they really want to not just take the wind out of Palm's sails, but rip them down and set fire to them.

This would take care of any price gap that a "iPhone Nano" would fill without wasting money developing a half-ass device that app/accessory developers would have to consider and develop around, allowing Apple to retain a unified environment for it's developers and therefore it's users. After all, it's the same simple and unique experience of one-device-for-all that brought and continues to bring so many people into the Apple tent.

With the affordable phone niche filled, this allows them to focus all efforts and capitol on their new hotness, which they'll need to do if they plan on crafting a device that not just creates some buzz on the internet, but actually drives people into stores with credit cards in hand. People are still spending money in this economic climate, they just need a dang good reason to do so, and if any company can provide that, it's Apple. I don't have any better predictions on what will precisely be added than anyone else, I just know it'll be mighty impressive with a few that surprise all of us. They simply can't afford to put out anything less. Expect video, better graphics, sharper screen, more storage, better battery, new case, and better build materials.

And to the guy that can't seem to grasp why Wireless-N would be a great addition, just keep in mind that it has very little to do with any increase in speed. Wireless-N is far more efficient and offers FAR more range when used in a Wireless-N network. It's the natural progression of the iPhone's WiFi capabilities and only a matter of time before they implement it.

[winterspan]

Your analysis is spot-on. I, for lack of information, took their chip to be a general purpose processor. Based on further info I've seen, it seems to be a task processor.

Just to follow up on my last post, It seems that Marvell is working on a next-gen version of their ARM core in the PXA168 that will basically be very similar to the Cortex architecture and use ARMv7, which at least increases the likelihood that it would be found in devices like the iPhone. That said, it doesn't seem to even be targeting smartphones, and I don't see how it would offer Apple any advantages over using a CPU with a standard ARM core.

[iansilv]

I think they will be named simply:

iPhone
iPhone Pro
iBook as a revival of the name for their new netbook.

[wizard]

P.S. anyone with advanced knowledge of the iPhone's low-level compiler architecture want to comment..

You bring up an interesting question. I was making the assumption that user apps are already Cortex apps, I now realize I'm not sure what the tools compile to. If it isn't Cortex then Apple would have compatibility issues with A8 & A9 as I believe one or both of these are Cortex only.

Maybe somebody can fire up XCode and discover what the generated object code is.

[chrmjenkins]

Just to follow up on my last post, It seems that Marvell is working on a next-gen version of their ARM core in the PXA168 that will basically be very similar to the Cortex architecture and use ARMv7, which at least increases the likelihood that it would be found in devices like the iPhone. That said, it doesn't seem to even be targeting smartphones, and I don't see how it would offer Apple any advantages over using a CPU with a standard ARM core.

I'm still thinking Cortex A8 is the best choice for the next iphone. I can't wait to get some battery life data from the Pre, though.

[rhett7660]

That would be nice if, and this is a big IF, there is a video camera on board!

[B2k1977]

I'd like to see 3.0 software (no need for details there, we all know what it contains)

I'd like to have a mechanism to manage wifi networks that the device belongs to. Right now that does not exist. Unless you are actually connected to that particular network, you can't change the settings or modify it. A bluetooth toggle switch on the first setting page where the wifi switch is, so I don't have to keep going more than one level deep in menus while I'm driving to turn on my bluetooth. In email, I'd like to be able to send email from mobileme aliases. having one signature doesn't bother me at all really. Also the ability to put a pin code on the voicemail screen. I use the passcode lock, but if I hand my phone to someone to use, it will be unlocked. That said, they don't need access to my voicemails. Also for the love of god. How about a real battery meter? give me running time remaining or a percentage or both jesus. And if they're going to offer "notes" to sync with itunes, they need to update mobileme also. I'm going to be pissed if I have to plug the damn thing in to sync notes, and while they're at it, they need to add a Tasks app too, that way you've got full exchange/outlook compatibility. These are all simple "back to basics" common sense features I've been waiting for, in addition to the ones already addressed in 3.0. Other than the key features in 3.0 I"ve never read anywhere on this forum where anyone has mentioned any of the other "shortcomings" I've listed. Everyone forgets the simple things that makes using something like this so natural. Oh did anyone mention I said nothing about video? ha ha. Why do you people want video? it's going to suck, just like the camera it has (that I never use) sucks. I don't care if it ever has video. they could eliminate the camera too. although there are some nice apps that use the camera.

[Brien]

Well, 640x400 is 16:10, not 16:9.

640x360 would be 16:9. That would fit in the same width as the current iPhone (at the worst you would have a slightly higher DPI on the screen), but maybe a little bit taller. The problem here is that it's not much different in horizontal pixels (360 vs 320) from the existing device, yet could disrupt many applications. Otherwise I don't think you need much more.

I simply don't have an idea what Apple plans with regards to the phone's screen. Maybe one model will keep the current screen, and the high end will have a higher resolution ~800x480 OLED screen ... nothing has been rumoured yet except maybe OLED.

Brain fart... you are right, whoops. I guess I got caught up with the laptop screens being 16:10.

I do think it's inevitable it will go widescreen, though.

[fewture]

All i want is an iphone nano.

I am sick of carrying around a brick when all i need is a phone/ipod.

And I don't want something thinner, but something smaller in all dimensions

Something smaller, less capable is fine. I don't even use all the amazing apps that I bought for the iphone anymore. I basically just use calender, to do list, ipod, notes, clock, occassionally maps, and phone/sms.

I don't care if a nano means developers have to create new software for it, thats an opportunity to make more money for them

If Apple doesn't bring out something smaller, I might just sell my iphone, get a small phone and use my ipod nano when I need it.

However, i will see how landscape sms and copy/paste affect my decision

[barkmonster]

I can't believe it's STILL not got video recording at present.

I know with Apple this will probably mean no less than recording to H.264 video at 640 x 480 and finally adding SD Card support at the same time but I can't believe the basic functionality of my 4 year old nokia still beats the iPhone on everything apart from the mega pixels of the still photo camera, the meagre 6Mb of RAM for running S60 applications and the WAP based browser.

Once a lot of people are using the Nokia N97, Apple are REALLY going to have to try harder but for a music player, the iPod has the hands down best interface but I'm not sure how much I'd be saying that with no tactile control of it.

[Randman]

If all this comes true, going smaller for a iphone nano is about the only thing Apple can do.

[palmerc2]

probably just...iPhone

if you notice on the back of the iPhone 3G it does not even say 'iPhone 3G' it just says 'iPhone'

can't think of a better name, everyone (even the not so tech savvy folk that don't have an iPhone, but lets say a blackberry or a cheapo LG) calls it iPhone...not iPhone 3G...

same with the commercials, right? trying to remember, but they just call it iPhone i think. maybe there will be a distinguishing characteristic on the front side that will enable people to tell the difference between the 1st iPhone, the current 3G, and the new one coming out....maybe an extra button of some kind? :rolleyes:

[labrats5]

Hmm. The Marvell PXA168 is a nice SoC certainly, however it does have some potential shortcomings:

* It's based upon the Intel XScale, which itself was based upon Digital's StrongARM ARM implementation. As an architecture license (not a core license) this meant that StrongARM was brilliant and fast ... 10 years ago. It's an ARMv5 architecture, whereas ARM cores are now ARMv7 (Cortex A8, etc) and get higher performance per clock. Of course this one is clocked at 1.2GHz.

* The on-board graphics are an unknown. I can see that there is video decode acceleration, but is the 3D good enough to match and exceed the PowerVR MBX in the iPhone?

The Freescale iMX515 SoC, and the Qualcomm Snapdragon, both look like more suitable solutions for a media pad/tablet/netbook system.

Thank you. I was going to see if anyone else realized why this rumor was impossible, and you basically got it. Right now, the iphone is using an ARM 11 cpu, which means it is using the ARMv6 instruction set. The Marvell PXA168 runs on an older instruction set than the current iphone chip. While all ARM instruction sets are (mostly) backwards compatible, forwards compatibility is a completely different story. No matter how fast the PXA168 is, Apple simply cannot go to an older instruction set and expect things to work. It would require rewriting a lot of software, and even then I'm not sure if they could prevent 25,000 apps from breaking. Even if they could, there is no reason to go through all that work when there are literally dozens of pefectly good ARMv6 and ARMv7 solutions available.

[ZebraineZ]

They gonna add a DVD drive and FireWire port to it? Perhaps iMovie Go??

iMovie Mobile for the win! I also want a 500 gigabyte SDD, Bluray camera, reader/writer in it as well. Also 1080p satellite TV will be good as well :) all for 199$!

[iamthedudeman]

I thought I remember a front page story from a few days ago stating the current iPhone 3G can only handle 3.6 Mbit/s HSPA?

No the current 3G iphone is already a 7.2 HSDPA machine.
Here is the PDF for the 3G iphone SGOLD3H chipset the X-Gold-608.

http://www.infineon.com/dgdl/X-GOLD608_XMM6080.pdf?folderId=db3a304312fcb1bc0113000c158f0004&fileId=db3a30431936bc4b011957c66fee3850

PER IFIXIT.COM:

"The chip in the top middle is SMP 3i 6820, Infineon SM-Power3i. From Infineon: the part is "optimized to support modem and data card applications based upon X-GOLD208 and X-GOLD 608, with features ranging from EDGE up to 3G and HSDPA.""

http://www.ifixit.com/Guide/First-Look/iPhone-3G/600/3

[iamthedudeman]

I can't believe it's STILL not got video recording at present.

I know with Apple this will probably mean no less than recording to H.264 video at 640 x 480 and finally adding SD Card support at the same time but I can't believe the basic functionality of my 4 year old nokia still beats the iPhone on everything apart from the mega pixels of the still photo camera, the meagre 6Mb of RAM for running S60 applications and the WAP based browser.

Once a lot of people are using the Nokia N97, Apple are REALLY going to have to try harder but for a music player, the iPod has the hands down best interface but I'm not sure how much I'd be saying that with no tactile control of it.

S60 is a joke. It would not help the N97 if it had a HD recorder, 20 MP camera. Now people are looking mostly at software, which Apple currently has the best UI on the market. The iphone cut the market share of S60 almost in half. They are on pace to overtake S60 by sometime next year.



Hope this helps. ;)

[iMacoo7]

What is surprises me is that this time last year we were getting pictures and reports of mysterious boxes and pictures coming in around this time.
TUWA(I think that is the correct name) were displaying reports of the "Apple Traffic" <<--- regarding a new product, being shoveled in by the boat load.
Maybe Apple has put some sort of Can on the numerous reports that were received last year.
And what is also odd is that no pictures,patents,of any sort of new iphone (Not even case designs) are emerging.......

The only thing we have going is several reports of what might come or what might be.... Even though we are all on the same page about a new iPhone (Just like last year when talks of when 2.0 Software was coming out)
Now we have 3.0 software coming out in June.....
Things that make the mind wander

[hiimamac]

Really. Re; HD

Doesn't aloe have their own idea of what HD is???

What they sell in iTunes is not 1080 and broadcast is not 1080. Just wondering.

I think. iPhone 3D as you will capture life and talk via video. Conference. Could work. iPhone 3d as it also plays hugh end games.


iPhone Adult Video. Now that would help it sell in Japan.



That's crap. Utter crap. Awful. Why HD? 720p on a 3.5" screen? REALLY? No way.

Let's focus on what matters.

[Stormbringer]

"iPhone Video" would be ridiculous and embarrassing since the high-end phones had a video-recording function at least 4 years ago.

Unless Apple will equip the iPhone with a huge lens and 720p video-recording, which I don't see happening since Apple is all about sleek design and not "impressive numbers packed in an plastic brick".

[mikeinternet]

does anyone know if apple's voice memo app will record phone conversations?

[w00master]

does anyone know if apple's voice memo app will record phone conversations?

No, it does not.

[LucidMac]

Reading some of the forums is pretty amusing. The iPhone 3g is perfectly capable of doing video already. I know because I do it. If you have a jailbroken iPhone 3g (which is really easy and painless to do nowadays) there is an app in Cydia appropriately named VideoRecorder3g. Guess what it does? It records video! And let me tell you. The iphone takes pretty damn good video.

Apple, unfortunately, in there desire to maintain control severly limited the iphone's use. The device has great potential but Apple will not let their child fly on it's own. Guess what else I can do? I can choose which programs to run in the background! The capability is there. You just need an app that does it.

So please do not go running off to by a new iphone simply because it can "do video". Oh, and I also have a turn-by-turn, voice enabled GPS app. :cool:

[utahnguy]

Reading some of the forums is pretty amusing. The iPhone 3g is perfectly capable of doing video already. I know because I do it. If you have a jailbroken iPhone 3g (which is really easy and painless to do nowadays) there is an app in Cydia appropriately named VideoRecorder3g. Guess what it does? It records video! And let me tell you. The iphone takes pretty damn good video.

Apple, unfortunately, in there desire to maintain control severly limited the iphone's use. The device has great potential but Apple will not let their child fly on it's own. Guess what else I can do? I can choose which programs to run in the background! The capability is there. You just need an app that does it.

So please do not go running off to by a new iphone simply because it can "do video". Oh, and I also have a turn-by-turn, voice enabled GPS app. :cool:

Cycroder and VideoRecorder3g, the two main video recording apps available to jailbroken iPhones, both have pathetically low frame rates. But hey, don't take my word for it, just spend 2 minutes on YouTube to see for yourself. Including that function at the time would meant a faster processor, meaning a larger battery, meaning a larger phone.

I honestly doubt you even own an iPhone, or any Apple product for that matter, because you clearly don't understand the defining characteristic that makes them so successful. They don't lock their devices down because it gets them off or something, they do it because it lets them offer an unparalleled level of usability and service. Maybe if we were having this discussion a month before the original iPhone was released and this tactic was still untested in the mobile arena, then you might potentially have a point, but if the iPhone's monumental success has proven one thing, it's that the tired old tactic you're suggesting DOES NOT WORK. People are moving in DROVES to the iPhone because it's the first device that didn't focus on including every feature under the sun and letting the user decide every little aspect about it. PEOPLE SIMPLY DON'T WANT THAT!

I know it's fun to offer up paranoid theories of Apple intentionally crippling their device to build in obsolescence, but in todays extremely competitive mobile world that just isn't an option. If you want to create a sales successes you need to offer up the absolute best device currently possible, and you don't have the luxury of holding back when you're dealing with devices that have 1/3 the lifetime of a regular computer. Nokia, HTC, RIM, Palm, etc... are offering up new phones on a monthly basis and Apple needs to rely on their iPhone to withstand that constant barrage and still come up superior in customer's minds.

Obviously they know what they're doing, a fact that's backed up over and over again with consistently good sales figures, so suggesting a drastic change in the very fundamentals of the iPhone is totally ridiculous.

What is surprises me is that this time last year we were getting pictures and reports of mysterious boxes and pictures coming in around this time.
TUWA(I think that is the correct name) were displaying reports of the "Apple Traffic" <<--- regarding a new product, being shoveled in by the boat load.
Maybe Apple has put some sort of Can on the numerous reports that were received last year.
And what is also odd is that no pictures,patents,of any sort of new iphone (Not even case designs) are emerging.......

The only thing we have going is several reports of what might come or what might be.... Even though we are all on the same page about a new iPhone (Just like last year when talks of when 2.0 Software was coming out)
Now we have 3.0 software coming out in June.....
Things that make the mind wander

I was thinking that too but I think it's safe to say they've learned a lot from the last 2 times and probably know how to better keep it under wraps. Keep in mind we still have months for some sneaky factory worker to grab a picture with their phone so I wouldn't give up just yet. Apple has good reason to be tight lipped about this release with it coming out so close to the Pre and probably don't want to risk Palm copying any more features ;) I'm sure they want an absolute knockout to come and show the Pre what's up and keeping any surprising new features under wraps in just the way to do it.

[iamthedudeman]

Reading some of the forums is pretty amusing. The iPhone 3g is perfectly capable of doing video already. I know because I do it. If you have a jailbroken iPhone 3g (which is really easy and painless to do nowadays) there is an app in Cydia appropriately named VideoRecorder3g. Guess what it does? It records video! And let me tell you. The iphone takes pretty damn good video.

Apple, unfortunately, in there desire to maintain control severly limited the iphone's use. The device has great potential but Apple will not let their child fly on it's own. Guess what else I can do? I can choose which programs to run in the background! The capability is there. You just need an app that does it.

So please do not go running off to by a new iphone simply because it can "do video". Oh, and I also have a turn-by-turn, voice enabled GPS app. :cool:


Cycorder is better, give it a try. Oh, you forgot to mention flash support in the browser. :)

[iamthedudeman]

Cycroder and VideoRecorder3g, the two main video recording apps available to jailbroken iPhones, both have pathetically low frame rates. But hey, don't take my word for it, just spend 2 minutes on YouTube to see for yourself. Including that function at the time would meant a faster processor, meaning a larger battery, meaning a larger phone.

I honestly doubt you even own an iPhone, or any Apple product for that matter, because you clearly don't understand the defining characteristic that makes them so successful. They don't lock their devices down because it gets them off or something, they do it because it lets them offer an unparalleled level of usability and service. Maybe if we were having this discussion a month before the original iPhone was released and this tactic was still untested in the mobile arena, then you might potentially have a point, but if the iPhone's monumental success has proven one thing, it's that the tired old tactic you're suggesting DOES NOT WORK. People are moving in DROVES to the iPhone because it's the first device that didn't focus on including every feature under the sun and letting the user decide every little aspect about it. PEOPLE SIMPLY DON'T WANT THAT!

I know it's fun to offer up paranoid theories of Apple intentionally crippling their device to build in obsolescence, but in todays extremely competitive mobile world that just isn't an option. If you want to create a sales successes you need to offer up the absolute best device currently possible, and you don't have the luxury of holding back when you're dealing with devices that have 1/3 the lifetime of a regular computer. Nokia, HTC, RIM, Palm, etc... are offering up new phones on a monthly basis and Apple needs to rely on their iPhone to withstand that constant barrage and still come up superior in customer's minds.

Obviously they know what they're doing, a fact that's backed up over and over again with consistently good sales figures, so suggesting a drastic change in the very fundamentals of the iPhone is totally ridiculous.



I was thinking that too but I think it's safe to say they've learned a lot from the last 2 times and probably know how to better keep it under wraps. Keep in mind we still have months for some sneaky factory worker to grab a picture with their phone so I wouldn't give up just yet. Apple has good reason to be tight lipped about this release with it coming out so close to the Pre and probably don't want to risk Palm copying any more features ;) I'm sure they want an absolute knockout to come and show the Pre what's up and keeping any surprising new features under wraps in just the way to do it.


Obviously, you don't own a iphone worth having and that is a non-jailbroken iphone. Cycorder frame rate is fantastic, the video smooth and clear. How would you know anyway? It isn't like you have a jailbroken iphone. You mean to tell me you are basing you-tube videos that are "so called' made on the iphone as evidence of your pathetic attempt to discredit the apps in question. Give me a break. :rolleyes:

The video the apps in question are no better or worse than anyother video app on any other smartphone OS out there right now. None of them willl replace your camcorder, so what is your point?

I also have flash working in the browser and all my icons are cleaned up by using categories. How is that a bad thing?

Oh SB settings gives me one swipe access from my home screen to turn on/off 3g, WiFi, turn on/off flash, etc.

They all work flawlessly. No problems at all. Apple sets standards on how they want their software to run, and apparently they want a video, recording app that sets a better standard than the current iphone 3G allows.

Don't you think that they already have tried a video recording app out already, to see how the 3G iphone can run such a app, of coarse they did.

That does not mean that it is a poor maching in video recording, It only means that it does not live up to Apple's standards. Simple as that.

[utahnguy]

Obviously, you don't own a iphone worth having and that is a non-jailbroken iphone. Cycorder frame rate is fantastic, the video smooth and clear. How would you know anyway? It isn't like you have a jailbroken iphone. You mean to tell me you are basing you-tube videos that are "so called' made on the iphone as evidence of your pathetic attempt to discredit the apps in question. Give me a break. :rolleyes:

The video the apps in question are no better or worse than anyother video app on any other smartphone OS out there right now. None of them willl replace your camcorder, so what is your point?

I also have flash working in the browser and all my icons are cleaned up by using categories. How is that a bad thing?

Oh SB settings gives me one swipe access from my home screen to turn on/off 3g, WiFi, turn on/off flash, etc.

They all work flawlessly. No problems at all. Apple sets standards on how they want their software to run, and apparently they want a video, recording app that sets a better standard than the current iphone 3G allows.

I don't you think that they already have tried a video recording app out already, to see how the 3G iphone can run such a app, of coarse they did.

That does not mean that it is a poor maching in video recording, It only means that it does not live up to Apple's standards. Simple as that.

I don't own an iPhone worth having??? That doesn't even make sense.. Yeah I have that cheaper version they sell, you know the one that isn't exactly the same as every other iPhone ever created? Yeah that one.

Yes I have tried jailbreaking one of my *two* iPhones, and YouTube has several PERFECT examples of the experience I had. I suggested that readers check it out for themselves because that's just a TAD more accurate than listening to some random message board poster on the internet - whether it be you OR me.

And no friend, you DON'T have full, legit Flash running in your browser. NO PHONE, from ANY manufacturer, is capable of running regular Flash as it exists today. That software hasn't even been written yet so if somehow I'm wrong, which I'm not, you better let Adobe know that you got a hold of something they've been struggling to make for years. While you're at it, maybe you can grab an iPhone v3 the next time you fire up the ol' time machine and post an unboxing - we'd all love to see it ;)

If you're honestly trying to get into an argument as to whether a jailbroken iPhone trumps a stock version, I highly suggest you scroll to the top of this page and read the part that says "Next Generation iPhone: 7.2Mbit, Video Camera, More?" because that's what we're all talking about here. I recommend finding a thread with people that want to engage in that discussion.

I'll leave you with one thought though. App store. Ability to immediately install software updates (with no chance of bricking your phone). 25,000+ apps. Nuff said.

[edesignuk]

OS 3.0 and this new hardware might just be the iPhone generation that finally suckers me in.

Look forward to seeing what actually materialises. Should be good.

[Wifiguy]

Hmm. The Marvell PXA168 is a nice SoC certainly, however it does have some potential shortcomings:

* It's based upon the Intel XScale, which itself was based upon Digital's StrongARM ARM implementation. As an architecture license (not a core license) this meant that StrongARM was brilliant and fast ... 10 years ago. It's an ARMv5 architecture, whereas ARM cores are now ARMv7 (Cortex A8, etc) and get higher performance per clock. Of course this one is clocked at 1.2GHz.

* The on-board graphics are an unknown. I can see that there is video decode acceleration, but is the 3D good enough to match and exceed the PowerVR MBX in the iPhone?

The Freescale iMX515 SoC, and the Qualcomm Snapdragon, both look like more suitable solutions for a media pad/tablet/netbook system.

It's a misconception that the PXA168 is based off of Intel's Xscale oOld architecture This chip is based off of it's Sheeva Technology. Which is a next generation Feroceon for Marvell. These are 2 different architectures. Marvell is building some serious screamers with Sheeva and they can build on any Arm core they please. Just don't be surprised to see Marvell out engineer the incumbents.

[yucl]

Thank you. I was going to see if anyone else realized why this rumor was impossible, and you basically got it. Right now, the iphone is using an ARM 11 cpu, which means it is using the ARMv6 instruction set. The Marvell PXA168 runs on an older instruction set than the current iphone chip. While all ARM instruction sets are (mostly) backwards compatible, forwards compatibility is a completely different story. No matter how fast the PXA168 is, Apple simply cannot go to an older instruction set and expect things to work. It would require rewriting a lot of software, and even then I'm not sure if they could prevent 25,000 apps from breaking. Even if they could, there is no reason to go through all that work when there are literally dozens of pefectly good ARMv6 and ARMv7 solutions available.


According to Marvell's website, the Sheeva processor core is ARMv6 and ARMv7 compatible.

(from Marvell's CPU history page)
"2008
Marvell proudly launched Sheeva, an internally developed CPU technology. The first implementation of Sheeva set a new standard for embedded CPU performance. One of the most advanced CPUs in the world, the superscalar, dual issue, out-of-order execution Sheeva CPU runs at over 1 GHz. It contains advanced three-level branch prediction, a variable stage pipeline, and an integrated memory controller, providing unmatched high-end performance and low-power requirements. Compliant with the Cortex A8, Sheeva also supports both the ARMv6 and ARMv7 instruction sets, making it the world's first dual ARM ISA compatible CPU."

Link: http://www.marvell.com/technologies/cpu_history/cpu_history.jsp