cant stand aqua

[Megaquad]

am I the only one who cant stand aqua?
aqua is why i'm most of the time booted in 9.2.1
first this are the few things i cannot tolerate:
-light background..those stripes,they are KILLING me!!
-OK,Cancel etc. buttons like this:
http://www.apple.com/macosx/feedback/images/send_us_your_feedback.gif
should be replaced with those:
http://a772.g.akamai.net/7/772/51/e1ebb6c3780db4/www.apple.com/main/elements/search.gif
i mean..ain't that search button beautifull?
-scrollbars,they should be like that search button,and they should be darker when pressed!
-scrolling,i want smooth,animated,scrolling like in windows! this is terrible! it is trouble to scroll with scrollwheel in osx,it 'beams' 3 lines down/up instead of 'travelling' line by line to the third line like in os9..
-fonts! those menu fonts are too big,contextual menu fonts are too big!! i cant stand that anymore!
i wont mention that those close/minimize/maximize buttons are annoying me,but noone's gonna listen to me anyway so i'm just gonna stick with Win XP theme..yeah yeah..kill me but it is far more usable then aqua,flash mx sucks without xp theme!
now send some feedback (http://www.apple.com/macosx/feedback/) to apple!

[edesignuk]

How dare you! :p

I LOVE Aqua! :D

[Geert]

Originally posted by verbose101
How dare you! :p

I LOVE Aqua! :D

Dito!!!

[Moxiemike]

Originally posted by Geert


Dito!!!

Double Ditto. Although I do like the iPhoto style buttons and think there will be a phase-in of those, though not totally

[McFreggle]

I don't love it, but I don't dislike it either. Yes, it should be more functional and less aesthetic, I guess...

k.

[Megaquad]

ahh whatever..i still can't stand aqua
i am not the only one..you all hate aqua!! admit it! :D

[edesignuk]

Originally posted by Megaquad
ahh whatever..i still can't stand aqua
i am not the only one..you all hate aqua!! admit it! :D
Nope! I really dont, it think it looks great!

[iGav]

I can't stand aqua either..... that's why I have it set to graphite...... :D

I'd still like Apple to give us a stripped down OSX setting, so that the thing doesn't take up some much memory...... also it's be much faster.... sometimes I need speed.... and lot's of it.......

[Megaquad]

did you ever try using entourage or icq under osx? its terrible!
not to mention ircle and other apps...something needs to be done,fonts are too large!

[Backtothemac]

Originally posted by Megaquad
did you ever try using entourage or icq under osx? its terrible!
not to mention ircle and other apps...something needs to be done,fonts are too large!

Yea, I use entourage 8 hours a day, and it is beautiful. Get over it. You don't like the pinstripes, install another theme with Duality. Aqua is the most beautiful, thoughtful interface that exists. Yea, there were scrolling issues with X, but X.1 fixed that, and X.2 is even better. Now, that being said, if you don't like the blue, go for graphite. Seriously, you are going to say that an Xp theme is better than aqua? Dude, don't understand this one at all.

Why would you want the fisher price look to your desktop? You like it that much, switch. Sheesh. What is the world coming to?:p

[edesignuk]

Originally posted by Megaquad
did you ever try using entourage or icq under osx? its terrible!
not to mention ircle and other apps...something needs to be done,fonts are too large!
Entourage, looks and is great. I really like it and use it all the time.

[AlphaTech]

Originally posted by Megaquad
did you ever try using entourage or icq under osx? its terrible!
not to mention ircle and other apps...something needs to be done,fonts are too large!

I don't own m$ orfice, so I don't use it on my OS X system at home. ICQ is fine under OS X (THAT I do use).

As for aqua, everyone needs it... to stay alive. :D

I have my 'theme' set to the graphite colors, but still love the buttons and such...

OS X ROCKS!!!

[Grokgod]

Did you say XP? DID YOU SAY XP! DID YOU SAY XP!!?

You have go to be kidding me!

In the same breath you Diss the mest looking GUI on the planet and then choose the Ugliest one in the world as a replacement!

You have got to be kidding me!

Next time the brain killing loco juice is passed around, I think that you should pass on it. Or install a new theme as was suggested.

Sheesh....

I am more worried about getting the OS to remember freakin window views than this!

[LethalWolfe]

Originally posted by Backtothemac


Yea, I use entourage 8 hours a day, and it is beautiful. Get over it. You don't like the pinstripes, install another theme with Duality. Aqua is the most beautiful, thoughtful interface that exists. Yea, there were scrolling issues with X, but X.1 fixed that, and X.2 is even better.

I have to disagree here. Scrolling under windows is fast and smooth. Scrolling under OS X is slow and chuncky. I rarely even us my scroll wheel in OS X now. It's faster for me to mouse over and use the scroll bar. I'm using an MS intellipoint optical w/the latest drivers (for both OS's) if anyone cares. ;)


Lethal

[Megaquad]

Originally posted by Grokgod
Did you say XP? DID YOU SAY XP! DID YOU SAY XP!!?

You have go to be kidding me!

In the same breath you Diss the mest looking GUI on the planet and then choose the Ugliest one in the world as a replacement!

You have got to be kidding me!

Next time the brain killing loco juice is passed around, I think that you should pass on it. Or install a new theme as was suggested.

Sheesh....

I am more worried about getting the OS to remember freakin window views than this!
luna sucks my a55! i dont even have decent browser!
under os9 i survived somehow by switching between mozilla and IE but this is too slooowww! oh boy,i'm gonna made my own duality or something theme when jag comes out (just slight gui fixes) and i need those fonts fixed! i see text im not freakin blind,just make it smaller apple pleaseee!!!!

[Megaquad]

Originally posted by LethalWolfe


I have to disagree here. Scrolling under windows is fast and smooth. Scrolling under OS X is slow and chuncky. I rarely even us my scroll wheel in OS X now. It's faster for me to mouse over and use the scroll bar. I'm using an MS intellipoint optical w/the latest drivers (for both OS's) if anyone cares. ;)

Lethal
thats damn right! when you look at it...entire OS X is slow and chuncky!
i have strange feeling it wont be fixed with jaguar either..
my god,with celeron@400 mhz with rage pro 16 mb you can open wmp,music and visualization,and rip cd to mp3 at cca15x and you dont even feel it while surfing the web!!
you all know what would it be like on the mac..

[FelixDerKater]

Hopefully, Apple will include themes support into OS X.2 for those who aren't happy with Aqua.

Themes are great... When OS 7.x was unbearably ugly, I just slapped on a theme. Remember Kaleidoscope? After OS 8 came out it wasn't as bad, but Aqua is just beautiful and crushes any previous Mac OS interface.

As for me, I like Aqua more than any GUI from any other OS I've used.

[AlphaTech]

I find that the appearance of OS X is much better then windblows. Not only is it easier to navigate, it actually makes sense in how things are setup (for anyone familiar with the Mac OS at least).

Scrolling works close to the same in either windblows or OS X (it all depends on the mouse and drivers).

As for placing a heXPee theme on top of OS X, dude, you need to be SHOT! That would be like pouring catchup onto a filet mignon... :rolleyes:

[Backtothemac]

Originally posted by Megaquad

thats damn right! when you look at it...entire OS X is slow and chuncky!
i have strange feeling it wont be fixed with jaguar either..
my god,with celeron@400 mhz with rage pro 16 mb you can open wmp,music and visualization,and rip cd to mp3 at cca15x and you dont even feel it while surfing the web!!
you all know what would it be like on the mac..

Dude, don't know what kind of Mac your running, but my iBook 600 and iMac 600 SE handle it fine. In fact, with 10.1.5, scrolling is as fast as it is in 9.2.2

Yea, you can do all of those things on a PC for about 1 minutes. Then BOOM. .dll error. Write buffer error. Vaildation error. That is just pure crap. Why not run photoshop on that celeron and lets see how it does. Oh, and Xp would run like a friggin pig on the celeron, and you know it. If you don't, well, XP will run like a friggin pig on that celeron.

[AlphaTech]

Originally posted by Backtothemac
Oh, and Xp would run like a friggin pig on the celeron, and you know it. If you don't, well, XP will run like a friggin pig on that celeron.

That is IF it runs at all. :D Wonderful products made by MicroSofterThenASneakerFullOfPuppySh*t.

[Megaquad]

Originally posted by AlphaTech
I find that the appearance of OS X is much better then windblows. Not only is it easier to navigate, it actually makes sense in how things are setup (for anyone familiar with the Mac OS at least).

Scrolling works close to the same in either windblows or OS X (it all depends on the mouse and drivers).

As for placing a heXPee theme on top of OS X, dude, you need to be SHOT! That would be like pouring catchup onto a filet mignon... :rolleyes:
you need to be shot for irrational support for aqua! i didnt say i want to switch on xp!! i hate winblows,but i needed something to rest my eyes,i cant stand those white stripes my eyes are burning!!!!
scrolling doesnt work same like on winblows! on windows scrolling is like i said smooth and animated,on osx i crappy!

[Backtothemac]

Originally posted by AlphaTech


That is IF it runs at all. :D Wonderful products made by MicroSofterThenASneakerFullOfPuppySh*t.

Yea really. A 400MHZ Celeron is a 66MHZ Bus with 66MHZ memmory. You ran XP on anything Mega? It is a pig. Huge, massively bloated piece. It really is. It is the ultimate spyware, and on top of that a really bad attempt to copy Aqua. Microsoft has never named an interface ever, other than Bob. Apple names Aqua, and they come back with Luna!!!!!

Aqua - Water, it gives life, it is fluid, smooth, easy to view and see. It is pleasent and warm to the senses.

Luna - The surface of the moon! WTF. Cold, weightless, barren, grey, dull, dusty. Think about it. That is like naming you **** mini me.

[Megaquad]

Originally posted by Backtothemac


Dude, don't know what kind of Mac your running, but my iBook 600 and iMac 600 SE handle it fine. In fact, with 10.1.5, scrolling is as fast as it is in 9.2.2

Yea, you can do all of those things on a PC for about 1 minutes. Then BOOM. .dll error. Write buffer error. Vaildation error. That is just pure crap. Why not run photoshop on that celeron and lets see how it does. Oh, and Xp would run like a friggin pig on the celeron, and you know it. If you don't, well, XP will run like a friggin pig on that celeron.
error my ass,i get more errors under os9 then under win98
photoshop runs well on that celeron,at least better then on g3 350 mhz
pc users have myths about macs,but you forget that mac users have more myths about peecees
they dont crash that much,and crashing is not the reason i dont use winblows,i am sad that my pc friend can do so much more on his pc then I on my imac..
not to mention flash mx! it flies on that poor celeron! it is terribly slow on my imac,not to mention flash animation
dont get me wrong,i am still pc guy that switched to mac and is never coming back

[AlphaTech]

Listen, fool, I said "for placing a heXPee theme on top of OS X". Open your damned eyes and READ! sheeesh Do I say "to switch on xp"?? ***** NO!

Scrolling inside of OS X is smooth, in the finder you can do as little or as much as you like. Since you DIDN'T mention WHICH scroll-mouse you have, it's hard to say, but I would venture to say the mouse is the crappy part (especially if it is an m$ mouse).

Aqua is NOT crap. You CAN customize it IF you want to through either changing the colors, or other 'hacks'. But to put something that makes it look like heXPee is just WRONG!

Before you put up another 'response' get your head out of your a$$ and think about it... :rolleyes: :p

BTW, you really should think about running some utilities on your poor little iMac (especially if you have the 350MHz and have never done it). There are some unix commands you can use to work on that. The other utilities can really liven up OS 9 on your supposed crash prone system. If you never ran them before, you only have yourself to blame for ALL of your iMac problems.

[Backtothemac]

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[Backtothemac]

Dude, you can download duality and get rid of the stripes. Seriously, they are not that bad. They give the interface depth. Oh, and scrolling on a celeron. Come on. My Athlon 1400 with 1 gig o ram scrolled no different than my iMac with a gig o Ram. iMac 600 se by the way. With all my MP3's in icon view XP would take longer to generate the folder, would not scroll as well. What are the specs of the systems you are comparing.

[Backtothemac]

Originally posted by Megaquad

error my ass,i get more errors under os9 then under win98
photoshop runs well on that celeron,at least better then on g3 350 mhz
pc users have myths about macs,but you forget that mac users have more myths about peecees
they dont crash that much,and crashing is not the reason i dont use winblows,i am sad that my pc friend can do so much more on his pc then I on my imac..
not to mention flash mx! it flies on that poor celeron! it is terribly slow on my imac,not to mention flash animation
dont get me wrong,i am still pc guy that switched to mac and is never coming back

Hold on now. As a Network admin of over 400 Macs and 200 PC's, let me just tell you that is pure crap. You may have something wrong with your Mac, but 98 was the buggiest crap ever made. Although Macs outnumber PC's 2 to 1 on our network Macs only account for 5% of the troubleshooting calls, and they run 24 / 7 as apposed to 8 hours a day with the PC's. That is fact.

now, you have an iMac 350 I take it. Running X. How much memory, and what version of X.

[Megaquad]

Originally posted by Backtothemac


Hold on now. As a Network admin of over 400 Macs and 200 PC's, let me just tell you that is pure crap. You may have something wrong with your Mac, but 98 was the buggiest crap ever made. Although Macs outnumber PC's 2 to 1 on our network Macs only account for 5% of the troubleshooting calls, and they run 24 / 7 as apposed to 8 hours a day with the PC's. That is fact.

now, you have an iMac 350 I take it. Running X. How much memory, and what version of X.
320 MB pc133/osx 10.1.5

[Gelfin]

Originally posted by iGAV
I can't stand aqua either..... that's why I have it set to graphite...... :D

I'd still like Apple to give us a stripped down OSX setting, so that the thing doesn't take up some much memory...... also it's be much faster.... sometimes I need speed.... and lot's of it.......

Heh. They do. At the login prompt, log in as '>console' with no password. :-)

Hmm. Assuming they haven't disabled that. I haven't checked recently.

[AlphaTech]

Originally posted by Backtothemac
Dude, you can download duality and get rid of the stripes. Seriously, they are not that bad. They give the interface depth. Oh, and scrolling on a celeron. Come on. My Athlon 1400 with 1 gig o ram scrolled no different than my iMac with a gig o Ram. iMac 600 se by the way. With all my MP3's in icon view XP would take longer to generate the folder, would not scroll as well. What are the specs of the systems you are comparing.

My game system at home, with an XP2100+, win2k, 768MB of Ram (PC2100), 320GB drive volume (two 160GB drives set as RAID 0 via a ATA133 RAID card), and Radeon 8500 video card, scrolls just about the same as my OS X 800MHz TiBook with 768MB of RAM and the Radeon 7500 video. If anything the TiBook scrolls better.

[Backtothemac]

Originally posted by Megaquad

320 MB pc133/osx 10.1.5

Ok. That is part of the problem. You are on a Mac that is what. Almost 3 years old. Trying to run the most modern operating system for home users on the planet. Not a good idea. Run XP on a 3 year old PC. It is not pretty. Same with X. Move to a system that a year or less, and you will see the difference. Now, that little Mac you have will support 512 megs at least, and I think that is the summer 2000 indigo correct? If it is the blueberry then I think it is 512. Indigo should be 1 gig, but I am not sure. That is the 350 without firewire right?

To compare the two is unfair. Compare you system in 9 to his in 98 on your Celeron and your G3. That is a fair comparison. The Mac should smoke it. Well. Oh, and if you do go with more memory in the system, go with PC 100. That Mac will support 133, but it is better with 100, as it is a 100 MHZ bus.

[edesignuk]

Originally posted by AlphaTech


My game system at home, with an XP2100+, win2k, 768MB of Ram (PC2100), 320GB drive volume (two 160GB drives set as RAID 0 via a ATA133 RAID card), and Radeon 8500 video card, scrolls just about the same as my OS X 800MHz TiBook with 768MB of RAM and the Radeon 7500 video. If anything the TiBook scrolls better.
Mate, that's a top PC setup! What do u do on it that requires 320Gb of disk space?
...of couse, ur 800Mhz TiBook is better ;)

[drastik]

I do a lot of FLash work on my G3 400 powerbook with a wimpy little card running a big external monitor. Its not slow at all. I have 448 RAM, so that might help. On the other hand, most PC users don't take care of thier machines, maybe thats a hangover from your old days. It really sounds like something isn't working right in there, I'd look to the RAM. If you put off brand stuff in there, it can really foul you up.

[Megaquad]

Originally posted by AlphaTech
Listen, fool, I said "for placing a heXPee theme on top of OS X". Open your damned eyes and READ! sheeesh Do I say "to switch on xp"?? ***** NO!

Scrolling inside of OS X is smooth, in the finder you can do as little or as much as you like. Since you DIDN'T mention WHICH scroll-mouse you have, it's hard to say, but I would venture to say the mouse is the crappy part (especially if it is an m$ mouse).

Aqua is NOT crap. You CAN customize it IF you want to through either changing the colors, or other 'hacks'. But to put something that makes it look like heXPee is just WRONG!

Before you put up another 'response' get your head out of your a$$ and think about it... :rolleyes: :p

BTW, you really should think about running some utilities on your poor little iMac (especially if you have the 350MHz and have never done it). There are some unix commands you can use to work on that. The other utilities can really liven up OS 9 on your supposed crash prone system. If you never ran them before, you only have yourself to blame for ALL of your iMac problems.
every day i thank god i am not one of those people,poor idiots like you
and as for scrolling,it is not problem in my mouse,it is problem in...well READ what i said,i am not gonna repeat this million times buzz of
why is it wrong to put it look like XP??
because it is microsoft? if somebody else made same interface i bet you wouldnt dislike it!
as for unix utilities,in osx my only issue is speed and interface,i prebinded entire osx partition..yeah it helped little,as for aqua interface,i solved it partially with duality,large fonts are annoying me!
you missunderstood me about os9 crashes,it crashes about 2-3 times a day..mostly IE,and it is not my fault
my poor mac? you think i wouldnt be sitting in front of dual g4 now if i had money?

[AlphaTech]

Originally posted by verbose101

Mate, that's a top PC setup! What do u do on it that requires 320Gb of disk space?
...of couse, ur 800Mhz TiBook is better ;)

heh heh heh... What do I use it for??? Why, games of course, and only games. Any real work is done on my TiBook. Essentially, I fire up the TiBook every day, but the pc only on weekends, when I feel a need to kill... kill kill kill kill kill kill kill kill... heh heh :D

I love the TiBook, and deal with the game pc. Windblows can be such a PAIN IN THE ASS!! It's not even funny. Installing the network printer on my TiBook was a snap, I almost had to get a live chicken (for voodoo) to get it onto the pc.

[edesignuk]

And you need 320Gb for games? maybe a little over the top? :eek:

[Megaquad]

Originally posted by drastik
I do a lot of FLash work on my G3 400 powerbook with a wimpy little card running a big external monitor. Its not slow at all. I have 448 RAM, so that might help. On the other hand, most PC users don't take care of thier machines, maybe thats a hangover from your old days. It really sounds like something isn't working right in there, I'd look to the RAM. If you put off brand stuff in there, it can really foul you up.
yeah right..like i am the only one complaining about flash mx speed..check out flashkit.com forums

[Backtothemac]

I gave you a serious solution to your problem. Yes you have a Mac. Great. But your attitude is very Anti-Apple. That is fine. Here is the deal. Don't blame crashes in 9 on Apple and your machine when in fact 20 posts later it is reveiled that it is IE that is causing the problems.

Now, try another browser. That will help. You are trying to run X on too little computer. Just like trying to run Xp on that celeron 400. It won't work.

Stick with 9 until you can afford a new mac, and get Mozilla.

[Megaquad]

Originally posted by Backtothemac


Ok. That is part of the problem. You are on a Mac that is what. Almost 3 years old. Trying to run the most modern operating system for home users on the planet. Not a good idea. Run XP on a 3 year old PC. It is not pretty. Same with X. Move to a system that a year or less, and you will see the difference. Now, that little Mac you have will support 512 megs at least, and I think that is the summer 2000 indigo correct? If it is the blueberry then I think it is 512. Indigo should be 1 gig, but I am not sure. That is the 350 without firewire right?

To compare the two is unfair. Compare you system in 9 to his in 98 on your Celeron and your G3. That is a fair comparison. The Mac should smoke it. Well. Oh, and if you do go with more memory in the system, go with PC 100. That Mac will support 133, but it is better with 100, as it is a 100 MHZ bus.
i have 350 mhz blueberry,bought just before new imacs came out for mwny 2000..
indigo model is same like blueberry (no firewire)
my mac is terribly slow even in os9,that poor celeron bought in same time i bought this mac is faster in everything 2x or more then my imac! it is unbeliveable!
mp3s rip 12x and faster from cd,my friend get 400 megaflops and i can bearly reach 180 megaflops..
when i switch between applications,it switches soo slooow..on pc its instantly
especially (adobe/macromedia graph.apps too) there are so many things.. its just faster! i use osx for flashing/dreamweaver etc. because of quartz,it is somewhat more usable
its not just me..i didnt have chance to try many macs,but i tried imac g3500mhz and g4 400..situation is more or less same.. ahh what can be done..ill just wait till i buy new mac and stop complaining

[Megaquad]

Originally posted by Backtothemac
I gave you a serious solution to your problem. Yes you have a Mac. Great. But your attitude is very Anti-Apple. That is fine. Here is the deal. Don't blame crashes in 9 on Apple and your machine when in fact 20 posts later it is reveiled that it is IE that is causing the problems.

Now, try another browser. That will help. You are trying to run X on too little computer. Just like trying to run Xp on that celeron 400. It won't work.

Stick with 9 until you can afford a new mac, and get Mozilla.
i am in mozzila and os9 now,window redraws are annoying me but ill hold on
i dont get crashes that often in os9..3 times a day when i have many apps open for a long time etc. and they dont bother me (i was never bothered by crashes in win98 but whatever..)
as for my attitude..twice every year i get pissed of on my computer (i really have nothing to impress potential switchers to mac,no one ever said my mac is fast)
dont think that i stand on winblowz side when some bih mac vs. pc flame is going on (im tired of these..),you are all mac users..those dark secrets i tell only to you..noone will hear me ;)

[AlphaTech]

Originally posted by verbose101
And you need 320Gb for games? maybe a little over the top? :eek:

Maybe, but I don't want to run out of space. I went from a pair of 40GB drive (as a 80GB RAID 0 volume) to the 160GB's because I had someone that wanted to purchase the 40GB drives from me. The RAID controller's drivers wouldn't see the drives as a RAID, so I had to get a RAID PCI card.

Still, having the RAID 0 gives me a performance boost (over single drives), which is appreciated in games.

The next thing I will be doing to the game box is changing the fan on the processor heat sink from a 60mm to either an 80mm or 92mm (with an aluminum adapter). I will also put a fan grill onto it so that cables/cords inside the box do not touch the fan blades. After that, I plan on going with the round ATA ribbons, just to make the air move a bit better.

[Backtothemac]

Dude, you need to have your Mac serviced. Seriously. There is something wrong with that Mac. There is no way that a celeron can turn 400 Megaflops either. Someone is really lieing to you on that one. No way can it do it. A 400 MHZ celeron is slower than a PII 233. Think about that. Get your Mac to a Dr. It needs it bad.

[AlphaTech]

Megaquad, you still failed to state if you have EVER run utilities on your poor little iMac... If you haven't then the chances are very high that is the problem. Drive/file fragmentation will bring your Mac to it's knees faster then a $5 whore.

Get some utilities, run them on OS 9.x (update to the latest verison of 9.2.2) and then run fsck -y to repair OS X. To run the last one, hold down the Apple+s on boot, and then when you can type in something, enter fsck -y. Run it until everything comes up as 'ok' and tell it to restart (don't force it to).

System maintenance and a little bit of preventative[/intelligent] maintenance WILL make your system perform much better.

[Megaquad]

Originally posted by AlphaTech
Megaquad, you still failed to state if you have EVER run utilities on your poor little iMac... If you haven't then the chances are very high that is the problem. Drive/file fragmentation will bring your Mac to it's knees faster then a $5 whore.

Get some utilities, run them on OS 9.x (update to the latest verison of 9.2.2) and then run fsck -y to repair OS X. To run the last one, hold down the Apple+s on boot, and then when you can type in something, enter fsck -y. Run it until everything comes up as 'ok' and tell it to restart (don't force it to).

System maintenance and a little bit of preventative[/intelligent] maintenance WILL make your system perform much better.
i defraged disk with norton utils few months ago..it was somewhat faster yeah..but disk isnt exactly my problem..cpu is..and there is probably wrong with it,its just g3 350 mhz..i shouldnt be expecting more from it

[Megaquad]

Originally posted by Backtothemac
Dude, you need to have your Mac serviced. Seriously. There is something wrong with that Mac. There is no way that a celeron can turn 400 Megaflops either. Someone is really lieing to you on that one. No way can it do it. A 400 MHZ celeron is slower than a PII 233. Think about that. Get your Mac to a Dr. It needs it bad.
its like this since i bought it..those damn celerons were always faster then my imac..
its tragic actually..
ok,im gonna try that cmd+s thing now

[Choppaface]

dude you are SO wrong! blue is by far the best color in the world!! how could you not like aqua???

:D

[AlphaTech]

Originally posted by Megaquad

i defraged disk with norton utils few months ago..it was somewhat faster yeah..but disk isnt exactly my problem..cpu is..and there is probably wrong with it,its just g3 350 mhz..i shouldnt be expecting more from it

No other utilities?? Which version of Norton?? If it is anything older then 6.0.x then you need to get updated. Also, I hope you ran it off the cd (after booting from it), otherwise, you only did a half-assed job.

[King Cobra]

Originally posted by Choppaface
dude you are SO wrong! blue is by far the best color in the world!! how could you not like aqua???

:D

I wonder what gold would look like. :D

Damn, 320GB sounds like a lot for a peecee. And I am sure that problems is not too funny with it, as I know the misery of peecees.

Who said OS 9 gave you more errors than Winblows 98? Well, since that has been resolved, let me say that Apple has raised the level of competition with OS X. And although complXPee is slightly improved (especially over 98) it is still complXPee. :cool:

[Megaquad]

Originally posted by AlphaTech


No other utilities?? Which version of Norton?? If it is anything older then 6.0.x then you need to get updated. Also, I hope you ran it off the cd (after booting from it), otherwise, you only did a half-assed job.
yes,6.0,i defraged it from other partition...then installed it on defraged partition and defraged other partition..

[alex_ant]

I'm going to stand up and be uncool and say that, for the most part, I really like how Windows XP looks. I think the icons are cute and very well done, and I really like the strong solid colors look. I wouldn't want all that color if I were a graphic designer who needed neutral gray/white/black widgets etc., but I'm not. The solid colors really grab my attention and are great to look at, but they're nowhere near the full-on photon assault of the almost-completely-white Aqua. Some say XP looks like "Fisher-Price" - well, sheesh, call me a toddler, but I didn't realize the colors "green" and "blue" and "orange" were so puerile, and I didn't realize white pinstripes were so mature and sophisticated. What's funny is that the people bashing Luna's look are the same ones who loved the fruity colored iMacs (which I also loved).

To all the Mac users who say they hate the look of XP and looooooove Aqua - be honest now - if Apple designed Luna and used THAT in OS X, and Microsoft later responded with Aqua for use in XP, which one would you like better now? Would you still be longing for pinstripes and throbbing candy drops? If the sole reason y'all don't like Luna is because it's an MS product, keep in mind that MS didn't even design it. It's funny how all of MS's best products (I use that term in a relative sense) were designed by other companies. (Luna... Intellimice/gamepads/keyboards... ... um... yes)

Alex

[alex_ant]

Originally posted by AlphaTech
Drive/file fragmentation will bring your Mac to it's knees faster then a $5 whore.

Mental note: Never let ANY $5 whores near my Mac.

[Megaquad]

anyway,i like luna silver more then aqua!
luna is really usable,and ergonomical in any way..
aqua is only made to look nice..it is far from usable,i just hope apple will fix some issues as soon as possible

[j763]

I'm at my computer screen 5 days a week and Aqua, which I initially hated, is *so much* easier on the eyes than Platinum is. Aqua is great, just takes some getting used to. Stick to it for a month and then tell me that you want to use platinum...

[Backtothemac]

Alex. Seriously, I can understand your position, but every person that uses XP that I know uses the old interface with it. If Apple would have put that crap on X, and I could not change it, then I would have ran in 9 until they would let us change it, or frankly, I would have switched to a PC when Microsoft copied it.

The XP interface is clunky, too large, and a pain.

[alex_ant]

Originally posted by Backtothemac
Alex. Seriously, I can understand your position, but every person that uses XP that I know uses the old interface with it. If Apple would have put that crap on X, and I could not change it, then I would have ran in 9 until they would let us change it, or frankly, I would have switched to a PC when Microsoft copied it.

The XP interface is clunky, too large, and a pain.
I think the ergonomics of the interface are alright - not as good as OS X's, but alright. Some of the ergonomic decisions Microsoft made are just really stupid (like, why fade pull-down menus in and not out?), but that's a different story. It's the visual design of Luna that I like. It's very modern-looking, it's colorful and fun and alive. I like the large widgets, but that's probably because the resolutions I use are kind of high... I can imagine they would be less than ideal on lower res screens. (Can't their sizes be changed, though?)

On the other hand, I do think that the ability to change the GUI's appearance is a good thing. Some people hate Luna and that's fine - they're lucky to have the ability to change it built into the OS. I guess with Duality it's kind of irrelevant, but I wish Duality were better-known or maybe even official. I don't personally mind Aqua, but I wish those who don't like it (like Megaquad) knew that it was possible to change, because everyone has different tastes, especially when it comes to these radical new GUI themes.

Alex

[AlphaTech]

Originally posted by Megaquad

yes,6.0,i defraged it from other partition...then installed it on defraged partition and defraged other partition..

That qualifies as half-assed... Boot from the cd, and run all of NUM (disk doc. and speed disk). I never install it on any OS 9 system, ever. The ONLY thing, of theirs, to install is NAV.

If you picked up NSW2, it comes with a version of Disk Warrior (DiskWarrior® Recovery Edition). I have only used the full-blown version of Disk Warrior 2, as well as TechTool Pro 3, both of which fix all the things that NUM cannot (or does a better job on).

Did the fsck -y come up with anything???

[AlphaTech]

Originally posted by alex_ant

Mental note: Never let ANY $5 whores near my Mac.

A better mental note would be to not get a $5 whore... :D You need to have some standards bubba... :p :D

[Choppaface]

Originally posted by alex_ant


To all the Mac users who say they hate the look of XP and looooooove Aqua - be honest now - if Apple designed Luna and used THAT in OS X, and Microsoft later responded with Aqua for use in XP, which one would you like better now?

microsoft aqua....although it would look pretty silly on hardware that doesnt have the same look

on thing that really gets me is how the curvy edges on XP windows aren't anti-aliased. it just looks so cheap....like a really poorly designed web page.

also, blue and green just do not go for something like that....way too much contrast. silver is better, it looks cleaner, but there are still areas of the OS that look cheap. the login/logout screen has lots of cheap looking gradients...overall I think that they could have gone into a little more detail if they really wanted it to look nice.

as for apple's pinstripes, I dunno why this is such a problem for people. you basically never see them in great quantities unless you open up system prefs or mail or someting else....i gues i just done use these things too much :D

[kansaigaijin]

why do we take this seriously at all?

but anyway, here goes.
this baby only has 8MB of video ram, although I know 10.1.5 is not taking advantage of this sad video card etc, (or is it, someone can clarify) it is still not bad in general use. If it scrolld any faster I would lose my place.

I just popped in another 256MB of ram for a total of 512. It is okay.

I love OSX and have used Macs for ten years and it keeps getting better. I don't like the blue or the stripes either, So I CHANGED THEM. get duality and check the themes available. I just ran Norton defrag, (from the disk, in Japanese, scary if you don't read Kanji) everthing is much snappier. But it is 3 years old! I don't expect it to run at warp speed. I checked out some new G4s at a shop, everything happens instantly.

The only issue i have is IE 5.2 crashes on launch, the solution? Mozilla!

I don't know what you mean by slow switching between apps, if they are running, they switch instantly. If not they start up in the background, in two bounces, which i killed with dock detox.
So if you can afford it, max out your ram and keep it tuned up, you can get a few more miles out of that 3 yr old. Jaguar will unfortunatly make it obsolete, it will run but you won't get to take advantage of the hardware video improvements (Quartz extreme)

[ShaolinMiddleFinger]

Here's an interesting thing to think about:

If you go under google and search for an XP theme that will work on a Mac, you won't find it. Believe me, I tried to find it.

But if you reverse that and look for a Mac OS X theme for Windows XP. You find it. There's even some that were taken down by Apple.

Right now, I'm on a Windoze PC running Xp, what was the first thing I did? Change the GUI, it looks like my iBook... too bad it doesn't run like it, though. But my point to this whole response is that a lot of Windows users will state that Aqua is far better than Luna, so much better that Wintel folks will make a theme just to emulate it.

[foniks2020]

Okay first off I use the AlumiteX theme... futuristic, easy to look at, very functional and intuitive to me as far as that goes. Get it here:

http://www.stretch.tc/aquaworld/themes/themes.html

now for those of you who have tried apps like Duality or Themer, etc. Stop. They have corrupted many peoples systems and it can be a real pain to get everything back to normal without reinstalling your system.

Follow this tip from a poster at Versiontracker instead.

" I beg you DO NOT DOWNLOAD THIS APP (Themer:Anche)... instead do this: 1) Open Terminal application ... 2) Copy and paste this: "cp /System/Library/Frameworks/Carbon.framework/Versions/A/Frameworks/HiToolbox.framework/Versions/A/Resources/Extras.rsrc ~/Documents" (without quotes) and press Enter. [This makes a copy of the Aqua Extras.rsrc file into your home's Documents folder. Keep it.] ... 3) Type "sudo cp" (without quotes) and a single space ... 4) Drag the new theme's Extras.rsrc file into the Terminal window and drop ... another space.. 5) Copy and paste this: "/System/Library/Frameworks/Carbon.framework/Versions/A/Frameworks/HiToolbox.framework/Versions/A/Resources" (without quotes) and press Enter ... 6) Enter your administrator password and press Enter ... 7) log out and log in , thank yourself and enjoy your new theme. To go back to Aqua repeat process using your saved Aqua copy of Extras.rsrc. "

It is a very simple and straight forward way to change your theme. Most importantly you know what you did and can undo it.

Barring that make sure to use a Backup utility before you switch themes with shareware/freeware.


Personally Aqua was nice for a while and I may go back to it for Jaguar, just to see what Apple has done with it. Until then I love AlumiteX on my TiG4, it just looks and feels 'right'.

Finally, never underestimate the power of RAM. Fill your machine up with as much as possible. 2GB if you can. If your machine has a 133 mhz bus then make sure you get PC133 RAM, if not get the PC100 equivalent. When we get new Powermacs and Laptops with DDR support get as much of the fastest RAM you can. It really does make all the difference. Video RAM is just as important, especially in today's non-GPU accelerated world on OS X... Jaguar should change all this but until then and even after, get RAM.

Your hard disk is in the end the ultimate speed bottleneck. By the fastest Hard drive you can for your system. Store stuff on a big lumbering drive if you need space and can't afford speed, but buy a smaller 10 - 20 GB drive with a speed rating of 7200 RPMs or more for your OS install and with the fastest supported transfer rates, eg. ATA 100, 133, 166 where higher number is better.

All of these hardware considerations are OS agnostic. What works for a OS X works for Windows works for Solaris works for RedHat Linux.

Hardware is hardware and the faster it is the faster your OS will run. A Computer is made up of components so they all have to be fast for it to realize it's potential. This is what the X86/PC world has been getting for the last 2 years that we have been missing.

Our CPUs are great but the rest of the system is way behind. Response rates for a PC can be 4x as fast because their bus speeds are 2x as fast and their RAM speeds are 2x as fast, this is now standard and improving every month.

They get faster components because the manufacturers can recoup their investment in R & D by selling much larger quantities in a given time. Macs usually end up with a better product though because we get ours after the R & D has been perfected to allow for more efffective processes and higher quality returns, but we have to wait for it. This happens with all technology.

Strangely though Apple seems to be the company to innovate new tech while the PC world implements the performance improvement part much more rapidly.

God that was a long post. Oh well. I feel better for having put it out there after reading so much uneducated commentary.

[foniks2020]

Here's a screenshot of AlumiteX

http://homepage.mac.com/foniksonik/Screenshots/

[alex_ant]

Originally posted by ShaolinMiddleFinger
Here's an interesting thing to think about:

If you go under google and search for an XP theme that will work on a Mac, you won't find it. Believe me, I tried to find it.
Here are two XP themes for OS X:

http://homepage.mac.com/max_08/index.htm

[ShaolinMiddleFinger]

Originally posted by alex_ant

Here are two XP themes for OS X:

http://homepage.mac.com/max_08/index.htm

Oooh wow.... urrgghhh....why? It's still cool, though, I guess

[AlphaTech]

Originally posted by alex_ant

Here are two XP themes for OS X:

http://homepage.mac.com/max_08/index.htm

I need to ask... why??? Why make OS X look like heXPee??? I prefer to have OS X look like OS X and the peecee look like a peecee... Color me a freak, but I think each should be easily identified. :p :D

[ShaolinMiddleFinger]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by AlphaTech


I need to ask... why??? Why make OS X look like heXPee??? I prefer to have OS X look like OS X and the peecee look like a peecee... Color me a freak, but I think each should be easily identified. :p :D [/QUOTE

Well, I got one PC and I changed that horrible XP theme to OSX. It's better on the eyes

[AlphaTech]

Originally posted by ShaolinMiddleFinger
Well, I got one PC and I changed that horrible XP theme to OSX. It's better on the eyes

THAT I can understand, but not perverting OS X to look like heXPee...

[ShaolinMiddleFinger]

Originally posted by AlphaTech


THAT I can understand, but not perverting OS X to look like heXPee...

Making OS X look like XP, I would never do. I was gonna do it to a friends mac to see what he would do, though....hehehehe. I'm still amazed that someone made the theme