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wdlove
May 18, 2004, 11:47 AM
A German couple who went to a fertility clinic after eight years of marriage have found out why they are still childless - they weren't having sex.

The University Clinic of Lubek said they had never heard of a case like it after examining the couple who went to see them last month for fertility tests.

Doctors subjected them to a series of examinations and found they were both apparently fertile, and should have had no trouble conceiving.

http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_957945.html

michaelrjohnson
May 18, 2004, 12:09 PM
oh... my... goodness...

that's really, really funny. i understand their background, but seriously...

PlaceofDis
May 18, 2004, 12:14 PM
i really dont know what to make of this, i kinda feel bad for them because they were missing out, its a shame that their beliefs kept them so sheltered though

pianojoe
May 18, 2004, 12:15 PM
I want to point out that lack of sex drive is not common to Germans in general.

radhak
May 18, 2004, 12:16 PM
unbelievable. :D :rolleyes:

but waitasec, how come their parents had kids (them)...? Hypocrites ;)

SiliconAddict
May 18, 2004, 12:20 PM
A German couple who went to a fertility clinic after eight years of marriage have found out why they are still childless - they weren't having sex.

The University Clinic of Lubek said they had never heard of a case like it after examining the couple who went to see them last month for fertility tests.

Doctors subjected them to a series of examinations and found they were both apparently fertile, and should have had no trouble conceiving.

http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_957945.html


Ahhh there's nothing like like reading about natural selection in action. :rolleyes:

radhak
May 18, 2004, 12:21 PM
btw, i note that the ads by Google at the bottom for this thread are in/fertility related. I have clicked many links here before, but am realizing only now that the ads seem to be context specific!

so is this how Gmail would be? could be interesting and even useful, to find relevant info practically at your elbow.

P-Worm
May 18, 2004, 12:36 PM
But it makes you wonder how many there are out there. Sex in our culture is made to look like it is only for pleasure which simply isn't true. I mean think about it, if a religion discourages pre marital sex, and you think that it is only for pleasure, why would you do it at all if you were totally devout to your faith?

P-Worm

kgarner
May 18, 2004, 12:53 PM
That is incredible. Funny, and sad (but mostly funny) all at the same time.

keysersoze
May 18, 2004, 12:59 PM
That is incredible. Funny, and sad (but mostly funny) all at the same time.

Would a clinic spokesman really say "We're not talking about retarded people here..."???

Many mentally disabled people are aware of "sex". (I watch Law & Order :D )

idkew
May 18, 2004, 02:30 PM
Would a clinic spokesman really say "We're not talking about retarded people here..."???

Many mentally disabled people are aware of "sex". (I watch Law & Order :D )


retarded is not a "bad" word. just b/c a 5 year old uses it to mock, doesn't mean doctors do not use it. medicine is not very PC.

i think it makes complete sense to say this. a retarded couple might not realize that sex is necessary to procreate.

wdlove
May 18, 2004, 02:33 PM
It doesn't seem that mental capacity is the problem. They did mention that they were brought up in spiritual setting. My thought also, were they home schooled. At least at a regular public it would be hard not to know about sex. My prayer that the sex therapy will be successful.

Hemingray
May 19, 2004, 03:17 PM
Ummmm.... wow. :eek: Their parents sure dropped the ball on this one!

"Sex? Oh yeah, I KNEW I forgot to tell them about something!"

Sheesh... :rolleyes:

pinto32
May 19, 2004, 04:10 PM
They said they were "trying" for 8 years.....what exactly WERE they doing?!?

Dros
May 19, 2004, 04:43 PM
They said they were "trying" for 8 years.....what exactly WERE they doing?!?

Growing cabbages. Or putting out stork houses (I know, I know, it is the wrong kind of "putting out"). :D

IndyGopher
May 19, 2004, 05:46 PM
They said they were "trying" for 8 years.....what exactly WERE they doing?!?
I suspect the answer here is "praying". I imagine in a strict religious upbringing, they would have heard about infertile couples praying for babies from time to time, and heard stories of it being successful. Not often does one hear in church, "My spouse and I prayed for a baby, and after years of mating like rabbits, finally had one"... It's basically impossible for someone who knows something to understand the mind of someone who doesn't.. it's why anthropologists have such fits when trying to study extinct cultures. You can send 100 people out in the wilderness and make them live like their ancestors did, but you can't make forget the things that they shouldn't know if they are going to be like their ancestors. It skews the whole experiment. (You can make me rub two sticks together to start a fire, but you can't make me forget that Zippos exist.. so I will set out to "discover" the things I want, all out of order from how a true primitive would/did)
My point there is that while this seems nearly ridiculous to us, I strongly suspect we would all be shocked by how many people in the world truly do not know how it all works. Including those that DO have sex. They may very well not know which particular act of their mating ritual actually caused the pregnancy.. as many cultures have pretty ritualized coital habits.

musicpyrite
May 19, 2004, 06:14 PM
I want to point out that lack of sex drive is not common to Germans in general.

Well there's going to be one more very happy couple in Germany tonight! :eek: :D :D :cool:

MongoTheGeek
May 20, 2004, 07:02 AM
My point there is that while this seems nearly ridiculous to us, I strongly suspect we would all be shocked by how many people in the world truly do not know how it all works. Including those that DO have sex. They may very well not know which particular act of their mating ritual actually caused the pregnancy.. as many cultures have pretty ritualized coital habits.

Horray horray the first of may!
Outdoor ****ing begins today!

A lot of easter traditions are holdovers from pagan fertility rituals. Think rabbits. Eggs etc.

As for people who have sex not understanding there was the recent episode of Friends where the girl thought there could have been 2 different fathers to her baby. A football player or father killer. Monica found out the the girl didn't now much about what could and couldn't cause pregnancy. (Is it what we never do or what we almost never do :) )

Abstract
May 20, 2004, 09:24 AM
It doesn't seem that mental capacity is the problem. They did mention that they were brought up in spiritual setting. My thought also, were they home schooled. At least at a regular public it would be hard not to know about sex. My prayer that the sex therapy will be successful.

Well its still ridiculous whether they were home schooled or not. Even with no schools, cavemen probably didn't have any difficulty figuring out what to do. Men have hormones, and they want to fook once puberty hits, whether they want to or not. They don't know how, they don't even know why, but they know they want to. Its like a dog humping someone's leg....sex is just a part of nature that you can't quite control. Women have hormones and feel "horny" as well. Its just an obvious thing to do, even if you grew up in the middle of nowhere with no human contact. I'm sure even then you'd naturally masturbate.

Foucault
May 20, 2004, 01:37 PM
They should just masturbate...

musicpyrite
May 20, 2004, 02:58 PM
They should just masturbate...

hehe, just to warn you about the dangers (http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=65961&highlight=masturbate) masturbation.

rueyeet
May 20, 2004, 03:58 PM
What I can't understand is how they can be brought up in a spiritual setting and NOT know anything at all about sex. Did their parents just sort of excise all the sexually suggestive parts from the Bible? I mean, yeah, the Good Book doesn't exactly spell it out to the degree of "tab a goes in slot b" but you can't miss at least getting the idea that there's something that needs to happen there.

I'm trying to think of more words here, and they just fail me. :eek:

Makosuke
May 20, 2004, 04:52 PM
Somebody obviously missed something pretty fundamental in the birds and bees department there. I suppose I can see how the disconnect could happen, but if their parents were at all involved in teaching them you know they must've done something at some point, even if they somehow didn't make the connection between the horizontal mambo and getting pregnant.

Heck, unless I've forgotten something, the whole virgin birth of Jesus thing pretty much tells you why having a kid without having sex is something special. Guess somebody wasn't paying attention to what the opposite of a virgin birth, and therefore the way that EVERY SINGLE HUMAN THAT ISN'T THE MESSAIAH was born, involved.

If anything, I'm more impressed that during those 8 years the ol' hormonal instincts (which seem to work quite well even in people who have no idea what sex is or does) didn't kick in, but I suppose it even happens to married people (http://mdn.mainichi.co.jp/waiwai/0405/0513sexcorps.html) who are quite aware of the good things about sex. Or, for that matter, that they were aware enough to go to a fertility clinic about their problem!

(By the way, pianojoe, I don't think anyone who's ever used Google is under the impression that most Germans don't have plenty of carnal knowledge. And speaking of Google, radhak, all Google AdWords ads are context sensitive, as will the GMail ads be, which is what the fuss is over.)

mcadam
May 20, 2004, 05:19 PM
Men have hormones, and they want to fook once puberty hits, whether they want to or not.

...I've heard that even some girls have hormones to!! ;)

NusuniAdmin
May 20, 2004, 07:33 PM
gee i have a stick, she has a hole. When my stick is rubbed i get happy, when she gets rubbed she get happy. When i get happy gooey stuff comes out, what would happen if i got some in the hole?

Jeeze its common sense. Makes you wonder how cavepeople knew how?

Makosuke
May 20, 2004, 07:56 PM
Jeeze its common sense. Makes you wonder how cavepeople knew how?Actually, cavepeople didn't seem to have any trouble at all making more cavepeople. Nor do, modern humans, monkeys, horses, mice, or spiders, all of the above but one probably not aware of exactly what produces babies.

Of course, that's not to say that people, being controlled by concious thought to a greater extent than most animals, can't be ignorant of important processes. I find it funny, though, that for all the emphasis that most extremely religious people place on "sex after marriage", that it didn't even occur to them that it was something worth trying. Or that both of them were either disinterested enough or so thoroughly indoctrinated that they never got the urge to try even without knowing about procreation.

The article did, after all, imply that they knew what sex was, just that they hadn't tried it and didn't know it was related to procreation.

Frohickey
May 20, 2004, 07:58 PM
I wonder how much of the German universal health care deutchmarks were spent all throughout those 8 years?

To think that all of this could have been avoided with a cheap and inexpensive porn video. :eek:

Abstract
May 20, 2004, 08:22 PM
hehe, just to warn you about the dangers (http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=65961&highlight=masturbate) masturbation.

Haha, I can't take in any more stupidity in one day!! :p

Yeah, maybe they should masturbate.......onto each other and maybe they'll accidentally get pregnant somehow.

NusuniAdmin
May 20, 2004, 08:44 PM
Haha, I can't take in any more stupidity in one day!! :p

Yeah, maybe they should masturbate.......onto each other and maybe they'll accidentally get pregnant somehow.

what do you mean they'll, only one will get pregnant. Unless guys get pregnant :p :eek: :eek: that would be bad.... :p :eek: :eek:

Dros
May 20, 2004, 10:02 PM
snopes.com is suspicious of the validity of the story...

snopes (http://www.snopes.com/pregnant/nosex.asp)

pinto32
May 22, 2004, 01:16 AM
snopes.com is suspicious of the validity of the story...

snopes (http://www.snopes.com/pregnant/nosex.asp)


......but....but.....it was on Conan....IT HAS TO BE TRUE!!!!! :eek:

MongoTheGeek
May 22, 2004, 10:15 AM
To hell with reporting the truth. lets just make stuff up.

crenz
May 22, 2004, 10:32 AM
I just sent this to Snopes:

Re "No sex please, we're religious":

The story sounds rather incredible, but I believe it to be true. Here's some evidence:

The German magazine Focus reported about it on 13/05 (http://focus.msn.de/G/GN/gn.htm?snr=130646&streamsnr=117). The article is much more matter-of-factly than the English articles I have seen. It seems there was no elaborate testing, the couple had just visited other doctors before. At the clinic, they were immediately asked to fill in a questionnaire, and through this, it was discovered there are no organic reasons for infertility. This sounds much more plausible. Also, they claim the Medical Tribune to be their source.

The article in the Medical Tribune can be found at http://www.medical-tribune.de/GMS/bericht/wunder (in German, sorry). They cite as their source "Annika K. Schröder et al, Gynäkologische Endokrinologie 2003; 1: 197 - 199". The Journaly for Gynacological Endocrinology is published by Springer (see http://www.springerlink.com/app/home/journal.asp?wasp=2pw78ah4f5crxw8b26f7&referrer=parent&backto=linkingpublicationresults,1:109674,1 ). The article mentioned is described at http://www.springerlink.com/app/home/contribution.asp?wasp=gpt919g229crxw8b26a1&referrer=parent&backto=issue,9,11;journal,3,7;linkingpublicationresults,1:109674,1 .

The abstract reads as follows:

Significance of sexual history in diagnostics for sterility
Case reports
AbstractThe interview to take patients' history for sterility treatment involves specific elements. Great importance is accorded the couple's sexual history. We report on two cases for which precise inquiry uncovered further relevant aspects concerning the couple's sterility in addition to somatic factors. In one couple, besides oligoasthenoteratozoospermia, psychogenic erectile dysfunction was also present so that sexual intercourse had never even been performed. In the second case, a couple requested sterility treatment due to secondary idiopathic sterility. However, because of an existing conflict in the partnership, treatment was denied for the time being.

So this seems to be, after all, plausible.


(emphasis is mine)

wdlove
May 22, 2004, 11:44 AM
To hell with reporting the truth. lets just make stuff up.

Your in luck, you could subscribe to the Boston Globe. :D Lately they are prining anything and with fact checking.

MongoTheGeek
May 23, 2004, 09:48 AM
a relevant joke...

This started out as an ethnic joke but I cleaned it up to be biblical.

Lot in the bible had a little mentioned third daughter. She wanted to marry one of the local men. On her wedding night though her mother warned her about the men of Sodom and said that her husband would try and talk her into having sex "the other place" and that she should do it under no circumstances.

All this though was make the girl wonder what the other place was and what it would be like. So after a few years of marriage she asked her husband if they could have sex "the other place".

He responded, "What? and risk having children?"