Apple Seeds OS X Snow Leopard Build 10A394 to Developers

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Apple today seeded a new version of OS X Snow Leopard, Build 10A394, to developers. The new build was distributed via Software Update and weighs in at 655.3 MB. The update's description simply states that the new build contains fixes for stability, compatibility, and security.


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Early reports say that the Dock Exposé feature demonstrated at Apple's Worldwide Developers Conference earlier this month is present in the latest build. Users can activate Dock Exposé by clicking and holding on a running application's Dock icon to show only that application's windows in Exposé. Users can then click the icon of any other running application to switch to that application's Exposé windows. Users can also preview any window within Exposé by hitting the spacebar while the desired window is highlighted, providing a full-resolution view of the window without actually activating it.


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Article Link: Apple Seeds OS X Snow Leopard Build 10A394 to Developers (http://www.macrumors.com/2009/06/26/apple-seeds-os-x-snow-leopard-build-10a394-to-developers/)

[Rhalliwell1]

Cant wait. Bring on September.

[ceezy3000]

hopefully they change the look of the dock. i know i'll feel incomplete without a new dock lol

[kamiboy]

Fix those bugs! I do not have the patience to wait for a few updates to hit post launch, so I have my fingers crossed of this being a slightly less slap in the face experience as was the Leopard launch copy.

[DARKJ3DI]

i quite like how the dock has expose built in. i often have many pages or number docs open at a time and its a pain trying to switch between them since the thumbnails get so small when exposing all windows.

[Billicus]

Looking pretty good, I'm very happy at the price point. Shaping up well.

[ashjamben]

dock expose looks awesome.

i hope this comes out before the 8th of september, then i can get my fre ipod with studnt discount and not have to mess around with sending off for discs.

[mathcolo]

dock expose looks awesome.

i hope this comes out before the 8th of september, then i can get my fre ipod with studnt discount and not have to mess around with sending off for discs.

Even if it released before the 8th, new computers may not be preloaded with Snow Leopard until a while later. You may luck out and get a disc included with the machine (CPU Drop-in DVD), or you may have to use the Up-To-Date program.

[hallowhero]

Anyone know why when I go to update it says an error occurred and that the file does not exist? I download it and it restarts and it says that.

[Peace]

Boy this one leaked out fast. Glad it requires 10A380 and is done through software update though. Might keep some leachers out.

[Wayfarer]

RAWR!

I want it now! :D

[parapup]

Apple's doing The Right Things (TM) lately - although feature wise SL is on the lighter side (would have loved to have ZFS R/W with Boot support, would have loved to see updated User Interface - well at least someone should convince the french guy to take another long look at the default wallpaper - not that I know it's his choice but it is probable ;) ).

But at any rate - I am sold on $29 for total 64-bit goodness, added speed and stability and I can always change the darn wallpaper since this is no "Starter Edition" of SL :D

[Sky Blue]

Boy this one leaked out fast. Glad it requires 10A380 and is done through software update though. Might keep some leachers out.

wat? a lot of people are already running 380 and now they can just update through SU.

[VanMac]

Looking forward to installing this on my laptop..... hmmm,..... or maybe a new laptop :)

[Peace]

wat? a lot of people are already running 380 and now they can just update through SU.


Perhaps I should have said "future leachers" :)

[macfan881]

who the heck gave this a negative:rolleyes:

[nuckinfutz]

who the heck gave this a negative:rolleyes:

I did! I'm pissed that they didn't go to 10A400. It's just a better number than 394. :D

[Blaataap]

I installed the update and I agree, dock expose looks and works great. Expose is changed completely. When you go into expose mode you can click on the different apps to see the windows of that app. I particularly like that feature.

On my system there is one bug however. Go in space and then try expose.. On my system it will try to show all the windows that are opened in all the spaces and that doesn't go well...

[MrCrowbar]

It looks like they improved the layout of Exposé. Even in Leopard, if you exposé a lot of windows with the same size, the position on screen is sometimes inefficient. Sometimes even, the windows are just arranged horizontally, making every window rather tiny. This screenshot looks like the windows are arranged to use the screen space as much as possible and using empty space to help differentiating the single windows. Nice touch.

I got my 13" MBP now and love every bit of it. It was way too hot on the palmrest at first, but installing Fan Control helped a lot and now it's just perfect. I set it to 2000 rpm base speed and the thresholds are 50°C and 75°C, very comfy, even on my lap.

Anyway, I can't wait for the $29 Snow Leopard upgrade. Can't really imagine how this baby (2.53 GHz) could get any faster, but I think I'll love it even more. :-)

[hotzenplotz]

Sweet Apple tablet, here you come....:)

[hallowhero]

Sorry if I'm sounding needy but has anyone else run into my problem? I'm seeing that a lot of people are successfully installing it so. Like I said it downloads the update and it gets through most of the install and then says an error has occurred. Then another window pops up saying that the update file doesn't exist. I think I have ran into this problem before but I can't remember what I did. I've tried it several times with no success. Help would be greatly appreciated. Thank you.:D

[lazydesi]

safari was updated from V4(6530) to V4 (6531)

[logotype]

Maybe just something i've missed... but in the Dock settings dialogue, there is a button "minimize windows to program icon" (translated).

Is that new for this build?

EDIT:
And if this function is used, and e.g. some Finder windows is minimized, they are shown in the new Exposé separated in smaller windows at the bottom.

[miket019]

September is around the corner

[doug in albq]

Any "Font smoothing style" yet?

I find it very odd that Apple has seemingly removed options for "Font smoothing styles" in: System Preferences>Appearance.

Does anyone else find this odd?

[applecultvictim]

and what about what we already have the clikc and hold bringing up a menu with quit and other options for the app, how do we activate this instead of the expose click and hold?????A??A?A???:confused::confused:

[Sky Blue]

and what about what we already have the clikc and hold bringing up a menu with quit and other options for the app, how do we activate this instead of the expose click and hold?????A??A?A???:confused::confused:

eh? those options are still there.

[FSMBP]

Finally, some Mac OS X news...I was wondering if Apple had any interest in Mac OS X anymore

[Ampidire]

Anyone with a Late 2008 MBP, can you confirm if BlueTooth works with this build?

[Master Chief]

Boy this one leaked out fast. Glad it requires 10A380 and is done through software update though. Might keep some leachers out.
Well. I guess that some people can't wait – there's a bunch of hackers working on getting the update from 10.5.7, which succeeded (as in they got the file) but the upgrade (still) fails.

I myself rather wait for the insane low priced upgrade. Probably my first well spent $29 ever :D

[*LTD*]

Finally, some Mac OS X news...I was wondering if Apple had any interest in Mac OS X anymore

Of course! It's on the iPhone, too. ;)

[AppleCrisp]

safari seems snappier.. no joke! i'm really liking the new minimized window behaviour in exposé it seems like they finally have a purpose

[motulist]

Hah! Reading about this made me suddenly realize that my current regular old Leopard (non-snow) can use expose to do drag and drop! I never even thought about that, but I just tested it now, and sure enough, it works! I started dragging a file, hit the button for expose to show all currently open windows, and then I was able to drop the file into any window I wanted! Awesome!

[ayeying]

finally an update that don't require me to redownload 6GB and burn onto a disk lol

[motulist]

safari seems snappier.. no joke! i'm really liking the new minimized window behaviour in exposé it seems like they finally have a purpose

How is it different?

[Sky Blue]

and what about what we already have the clikc and hold bringing up a menu with quit and other options for the app, how do we activate this instead of the expose click and hold?????A??A?A???:confused::confused:

like this

[motulist]

and what about what we already have the clikc and hold bringing up a menu with quit and other options for the app, how do we activate this instead of the expose click and hold?????A??A?A???:confused::confused:

I don't think that this is activated by a click and hold, it's activated by dragging a file over onto a dock icon and then just hovering it over the app who's windows you want to see. So there's no clicking involved at all. Though the description in the MR item seems to state differently, so I'm confused. Or at least that afaik from what I've seen so far, I'm not a developer so I've never used it myself.

[Sky Blue]

I don't think that this is activated by a click and hold, it's activated by dragging a file over onto a dock icon and then just hovering it over the app who's windows you want to see. So there's no clicking involved at all. Though the description in the MR item seems to state differently, so I'm confused. Or at least that afaik from what I've seen so far, I'm not a developer so I've never used it myself.

No, you click and hold.

[AppleCrisp]

and what about what we already have the clikc and hold bringing up a menu with quit and other options for the app, how do we activate this instead of the expose click and hold?????A??A?A???:confused::confused:

Clicking and holding will bring up the exposé along with all of those options hovering directly over the app in question.. also you can always right click the app if you want.

How is it different?

now when activating exposé either in application windows or for all windows any window you have minimized shows up beneath the grid of open windows, in a small form. This makes it actually useful to have minimized windows as you can still get to them from exposé quickly

[latogoga]

There's a way to do something similar with Mac OS 10.5 Leopard. With my unibody macbook's trackpad I use a 4 finger gesture horizontally while in exposé then i click an app and then exposé shows only the open windows of that application.:apple:

[Sky Blue]

CLicking the title bar of a window, doesn't see to minimize any more... weird.

[motulist]

like this

That basically looks exactly like the current dock's behavior when you click and hold, but that seems to disagree with the MR article here which states

Users can activate Dock Exposé by clicking and holding on a running application's Dock icon to show only that application's windows in Exposé.

Am I misunderstanding something?

[applecultvictim]

eh? those options are still there.

yeah but if they are replaced by expose on click and hold they wont be there anymore, am I not understanding this right?

[Sky Blue]

Am I misunderstanding something?

Yeah, I don't get what you don't get.

[applecultvictim]

Clicking and holding will bring up the exposé along with all of those options hovering directly over the app in question.. also you can always right click the app if you want.


Ah, ok, now that explains everything for me, should have been in the original article too, which is missing this very important detail.

[motulist]

Clicking and holding will bring up the exposé along with all of those options hovering directly over the app in question.. also you can always right click the app if you want.

OH! I see now, you're saying it does both. Hmm, I guess there's no problem with that.



now when activating exposé either in application windows or for all windows any window you have minimized shows up beneath the grid of open windows, in a small form. This makes it actually useful to have minimized windows as you can still get to them from exposé quickly

I hear what you're saying. For me personally I find minimizing windows to be almost pointless, but I can see how this is an improvement for people who like to frequently minimize windows. I miss the ancient OS 9 feature where you could double click the title bar and the window would collapse up into just being a title bar with no window. I forget the name of that feature now.

[ortuno2k]

Can't wait for September!!!!

[cg0def]

safari seems snappier.. no joke! i'm really liking the new minimized window behaviour in exposé it seems like they finally have a purpose

Yeah the Dock improvements are really nice. When you minimize a windows it does show up in expose only it's smaller than the rest. I guess Mac geniuses will now stop telling people to use hide application instead of minimize.

[boneske]

yeah but if they are replaced by expose on click and hold they wont be there anymore, am I not understanding this right?

Look at SkyBlue's screenshot, when you click and hold the application it activates Expose and gives you the Options to Quit and More Options.

[applecultvictim]

Btw, I really don't like those black pop up menus...I really preferred the white ones...

[boneske]

Btw, I really don't like those black pop up menus...I really preferred the white ones...

The black menus only show up when Dock Expose is activated. When you right click the dock without Expose activated the menu shows up white.

[LennyX]

Anyone with a Late 2008 MBP, can you confirm if BlueTooth works with this build?

Waiting for updated Xcode to download before I reboot, but damn I hope it works better than 10A380.

Mine disconnects my MightyMouse every couple of hours & has trouble reconnecting. What have your problems been?

[Sky Blue]

I've uploaded a screen recording of it in action. It's not great quality because the MR upload limit is so small.
It's probably hard to see, but the minimized window shows up under a line at the bottom of the screen.

[piano08man]

Sorry if I'm sounding needy but has anyone else run into my problem? I'm seeing that a lot of people are successfully installing it so. Like I said it downloads the update and it gets through most of the install and then says an error has occurred. Then another window pops up saying that the update file doesn't exist. I think I have ran into this problem before but I can't remember what I did. I've tried it several times with no success. Help would be greatly appreciated. Thank you.:D

Yeah, you have to download the combo update and install it that way. Otherwise you're screwed... so since there's no combo update... you're probably screwed. sorry.

[kockgunner]

There are some nice improvements being done although the transitions need to be smoother. Also, where is the double click the title bar to minimize the window?

Another thing is when you press the expose button more than once repeatedly, you don't have to wait for OS X to catch up to you. It stops expose mid-way through and goes back. This is useful especially when someone holds shift and presses the expose button many times. You had to wait for the animation to stop before which could be a loooong time. Also, I like how the windows don't switch positions anymore when you switch windows with expose so you don't get disoriented.

I'm not sure about the blue around the expose windows though. It looks cheesy like Top Sites in Safari 4 Beta.

[Sky Blue]

Also, where is the double click the title bar to minimize the window?

yeah, that seems like a weird omission.

[piano08man]

yeah, that seems like a weird omission.

I personally hate that... it's annoying if you accidentally double click it.

[nado]

Where's Marble? :(

[ayeying]

Quicktime's the same =[

But here's a screenie of the expose.

Also they rename the screenshots to "Screenshot on xx:xx:xx" instead of "Picture 1"

[mackmgg]

Not sure if anyone made one or not yet, but http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZFLVV2mIV0 is a demo of the Dock Expose in HD!

[Ampidire]

Waiting for updated Xcode to download before I reboot, but damn I hope it works better than 10A380.

Mine disconnects my MightyMouse every couple of hours & has trouble reconnecting. What have your problems been?

It wouldn't even turn on, it would show as connected when I started the machine, then I'd click on the menubar icon and it'd just fade out, turn itself off, and everything would disconnect, was super annoying, went back to 10.5.7 after a day of it, and not even the BT firmware update helped which was conveniently released just after 10A380 was seeded so I was hoping it'd help.

waiting for XCode myself.

Quicktime's the same =[

But here's a screenie of the expose.

Also they rename the screenshots to "Screenshot on xx:xx:xx" instead of "Picture 1"

Yeah, I noticed this behavior in PhotoBooth in 10A380 as well, for the screenshots and photos that is.

[aardwolf]

Sorry if I'm sounding needy but has anyone else run into my problem? I'm seeing that a lot of people are successfully installing it so. Like I said it downloads the update and it gets through most of the install and then says an error has occurred. Then another window pops up saying that the update file doesn't exist. I think I have ran into this problem before but I can't remember what I did. I've tried it several times with no success. Help would be greatly appreciated. Thank you.:D

Don't ask for help with a Snow Leopard Beta at MacRumors. Did you forget you signed an NDA? Post your questions in the Apple SL Beta forum.

[cg0def]

How is it different?

For one Flash now uses a little bit less CPU. Not sure why but it does. Also Safari has gotten more stable and does not crash any more ( yet ). Flash videos used to cause horrible crashes every once in a while. Never mind what Apple says about plugin isolation. But I think all that has been fixed now.

Oh and the AppleScript Utility is still missing ...

[MikhailT]

Oh and the AppleScript Utility is still missing ...

I see AppleScript Editor in the Utilities folder just fine.

I think this update is a bit more snappier than 10a380. Just feel much more smooth and faster or I am experiencing placebo.

Expose has just been taken to a whole new level with Dock Expose. Minimize windows now show up as minor thumbnails on the bottom with a divider between the minimized windows and regular full windows. Feels much more productive. It is now much easier to minimize all windows just by doing Expose and click hide.

No new QT icon in this seed which could mean this may not be the seed they used at WWDC demo or something else.

Overall, a very nice seed.

Update: I first stated that the screenshots taken was no longer the date but Window Capture 1 or Region Capture 1, apparently I was mistaken. The mistake came from the fact that my mouse button that was registered to take screenshot (cmd+control+3) would name it as Window Capture 1 but when I used the keyboard directly, it actually say the date.

[AppleCrisp]

Quicktime's the same =[

But here's a screenie of the expose.

Also they rename the screenshots to "Screenshot on xx:xx:xx" instead of "Picture 1"

yeah this is a nice improvement, it also applies to your photobooth pictures so you can easily identify them

[sadatkarim]

Screenshots are no longer the date, it just say Window Picture 1 or Region Picture 1.
Wait what? Really?

[vansouza]

Sorry if I'm sounding needy but has anyone else run into my problem? I'm seeing that a lot of people are successfully installing it so. Like I said it downloads the update and it gets through most of the install and then says an error has occurred. Then another window pops up saying that the update file doesn't exist. I think I have ran into this problem before but I can't remember what I did. I've tried it several times with no success. Help would be greatly appreciated. Thank you.:D

Try the Apple Developer forum... perhaps they can help.

[AidenShaw]

Expose has just been taken to a whole new level with Dock Expose.

"Dock Exposé" sounds like it's somewhat similar to the Windows 7 taskbar behaviour.

Could someone who's familiar with both please comment on the pros and cons of each approach to the problem of finding or viewing a window that's not currently onscreen or in focus....

I find the Windows 7 taskbar to be brilliant when you're replying to an email, but forgot one bit of info. You can hover->hover->hover and see the original mail - then move the mouse a bit and you're back in your reply editor window without ever losing focus. To me this is huge - look at any window on the system, then back where you are in an instant. (Not "back where you were" - it's big that focus never leaves the starting window.)

[uberjason]

Dock expose is great! But exchange 2k7 support again causes mail.app to crash.

[inkswamp]

This is so weird because in the past, when a new version of OS X was imminent, I would hyped up to check it out shortly before release. But this time around, I'm indifferent. It's not that I don't think SL will be great (looks like a winner) but rather that I have almost no gripes about Leopard as it is right now. I had major gripes with 10.2, 10.3 and 10.4 and was very eager to see things addressed each step of the way. However, I could see living with OS X 10.5 for many years. There are some little things I would like to see changed or tweaked, but there aren't any of those big, annoying issues that past versions had.

[crisss1205]

I Want A Public Beta!!!

[MikhailT]

Wait what? Really?

My bad, I updated my post to correct it. I explained what happened in it.

[coolpal]

This is so weird because in the past, when a new version of OS X was imminent, I would hyped up to check it out shortly before release. But this time around, I'm indifferent. It's not that I don't think SL will be great (looks like a winner) but rather that I have almost no gripes about Leopard as it is right now. I had major gripes with 10.2, 10.3 and 10.4 and was very eager to see things addressed each step of the way. However, I could see living with OS X 10.5 for many years. There are some little things I would like to see changed or tweaked, but there aren't any of those big, annoying issues that past versions had.

I am taking it a little further.... I waited until WWDC build to try SL on my MBP... but two of my favorite apps are broken (Quicksilver and Cyberduck) and there are a lot of other annoyances, like 1Password is broken with 64bit safari, my office VPN client crashes etc.,
I like the speed improvements and definitely like the new dock expose from today's update but it is very likely that I will revert back to 10.5 soon.

pal :)

[MikhailT]

This is so weird because in the past, when a new version of OS X was imminent, I would hyped up to check it out shortly before release. But this time around, I'm indifferent. It's not that I don't think SL will be great (looks like a winner) but rather that I have almost no gripes about Leopard as it is right now. I had major gripes with 10.2, 10.3 and 10.4 and was very eager to see things addressed each step of the way. However, I could see living with OS X 10.5 for many years. There are some little things I would like to see changed or tweaked, but there aren't any of those big, annoying issues that past versions had.

The fact that you have no gripes with 10.5 right now suggests you could not go wrong with Snow Leopard, it is after all only 29$. It is not a major departure from Leopard except for the under the hood changes. Dock expose actually is fun to use and does help with multiple windows management far more than Expose could in 10.5.

[akac]

I am taking it a little further.... I waited until WWDC build to try SL on my MBP... but two of my favorite apps are broken (Quicksilver and Cyberduck) and there are a lot of other annoyances, like 1Password is broken with 64bit safari, my office VPN client crashes etc.,
I like the speed improvements and definitely like the new dock expose from today's update but it is very likely that I will revert back to 10.5 soon.

pal :)

Cyberduck has a special build on their site for SL. 1Passwd also has a way to make it work.

[MikhailT]

I am taking it a little further.... I waited until WWDC build to try SL on my MBP... but two of my favorite apps are broken (Quicksilver and Cyberduck) and there are a lot of other annoyances, like 1Password is broken with 64bit safari, my office VPN client crashes etc.,
I like the speed improvements and definitely like the new dock expose from today's update but it is very likely that I will revert back to 10.5 soon.

pal :)

1Password is not broken with 64bit Safari, you have to run 1Password in 32bit mode via Finder and change a line in the text file to support the latest version of Safari in SL. Click this link (http://support.agilewebsolutions.com/showthread.php?t=16763) to see more info.

http://update.cyberduck.ch/nightly/alpha/ is the access to SL ready builds of Cyberduck but it is alpha quality. The devs don't have access to 10.6 to test it. Do not update the build when it asked to update it, it is talking about 3.2.1 build while this alpha is 3.3a. I am using the alpha, works fine on this seed.

Most developers don't have access to the 10.6 seeds or the new APIs, so they are stuck on figuring out how to fix their applications for Snow Leopard. That's why not all of the applications will work right out of the box. Many applications actually hardcode their applications to use specific MAC OS X versions in order to take advantage of the APIs. A lot of them could be fixed just by adding 10.6 to the list.

[inkswamp]

The fact that you have no gripes with 10.5 right now suggests you could not go wrong with Snow Leopard, it is after all only 29$. It is not a major departure from Leopard except for the under the hood changes. Dock expose actually is fun to use and does help with multiple windows management far more than Expose could in 10.5.

Oh don't get me wrong. I will definitely buy it, especially at that price. It's just that I don't feel that sense of "hurry up already" that I had with 10.2-10.4, in hopes that the 2-3 major issues I had with those versions would be fixed. This time around there are literally no problems I need addressed.

[MikhailT]

"Dock Exposé" sounds like it's somewhat similar to the Windows 7 taskbar behaviour.

Could someone who's familiar with both please comment on the pros and cons of each approach to the problem of finding or viewing a window that's not currently onscreen or in focus....

I find the Windows 7 taskbar to be brilliant when you're replying to an email, but forgot one bit of info. You can hover->hover->hover and see the original mail - then move the mouse a bit and you're back in your reply editor window without ever losing focus. To me this is huge - look at any window on the system, then back where you are in an instant. (Not "back where you were" - it's big that focus never leaves the starting window.)

They are both very cool in their own way. I can definitely tell you that they are not the same. Dock Expose is all about taking the whole screen whereas W7 is more of tiny version of Expose contained in a very small window that shows up on top of the icon. Dock Expose also does not bring focus back if you try to drag stuff across Space or Dock Expose, HOWEVER, it does have quicklook working in both Dock Expose and Expose, so it does do what you said.

Everybody benefits from both OS.

[MikhailT]

Oh don't get me wrong. I will definitely buy it, especially at that price. It's just that I don't feel that sense of "hurry up already" that I had with 10.2-10.4, in hopes that the 2-3 major issues I had with those versions would be fixed. This time around there are literally no problems I need addressed.

I know what you mean. Now you should think about the possibilities with 10.7. With all the new APIs and new technologies under the hood, there could be a lot of innovative features coming including a major GUI change in 10.7 taking advantage of all the OpenCL and GCD combined.

[MacAndy74]

:eek: Love the new Dock Expose feature. Very cool. Counting down to SL, 90 days to go...

[Cozmo85]

Anyone else installing the update notice Macfuse now shows up in system prefrences?

[johnqh]

The dock expose itself is worth the $30 upgrade.

Window management is one place where OS X seriously lacks comparing to Windows. (Another is Finder).

I still think Windows Explorer interface is better than SL's Finder... actually, the XP implementation is the best, Vista messed up by trying to copy OS X's eye candy and made file selection a royal mess on the way. I haven't looked at Windows 7 yet.

Windows task bar is way way way easier than windows management in pre-SL OS X. With Dock Expose, finally it is as easy on Mac.

[LennyX]

It wouldn't even turn on, it would show as connected when I started the machine, then I'd click on the menubar icon and it'd just fade out, turn itself off, and everything would disconnect, was super annoying, went back to 10.5.7 after a day of it, and not even the BT firmware update helped which was conveniently released just after 10A380 was seeded so I was hoping it'd help.

Ahh yeah I had that problem for a couple of days. I'm not actually sure what fixed it though. It may have been the bluetooth firmware update.. My mouse hasn't disconnected yet on this build, but it's only been a couple of hours.

I also started having problems with my built-in audio disabling itself yesterday but it seems to have automagically been fixed by this update.

[chadder007]

Even if it released before the 8th, new computers may not be preloaded with Snow Leopard until a while later. You may luck out and get a disc included with the machine (CPU Drop-in DVD), or you may have to use the Up-To-Date program.

The Up-To-Date site is up, but when i log in, there is nothing in the shopping cart.
:confused:

[Tower-Union]

Am I the only one who thinks being able to PREVIEW a window by hitting space bar to enlarge it without actually OPENING the window is a waste of time? I thought that's what expose was for, to be able to preview and select your window, as they're laid out, the way it is in the picture at the start of this thread. . .

[sadatkarim]

Am I the only one who thinks being able to PREVIEW a window by hitting space bar to enlarge it without actually OPENING the window is a waste of time? I thought that's what expose was for, to be able to preview and select your window, as they're laid out, the way it is in the picture at the start of this thread. . .
Multiple spreadsheets with numbers or documents of text is the main target of that. So no, it's not useless.

[koopa35]

there was a way to enlarge or decrease window size in dock expose. now its gone. has anyone had that problem yet

[LennyX]

Am I the only one who thinks being able to PREVIEW a window by hitting space bar to enlarge it without actually OPENING the window is a waste of time? I thought that's what expose was for, to be able to preview and select your window, as they're laid out, the way it is in the picture at the start of this thread. . .

It's good when you have heaps of similar windows open at the same time, like heaps of Word/Pages documents. The Exposé motion of expanding everything can get confusing & is annoying to have to keep going back in to until you click the document that you wanted. It's not going to be needed every time you use Exposé, but I think it's a great addition for when you do need it.

[eddietr]

Maybe just something i've missed... but in the Dock settings dialogue, there is a button "minimize windows to program icon" (translated).

Is that new for this build?

EDIT:
And if this function is used, and e.g. some Finder windows is minimized, they are shown in the new Exposé separated in smaller windows at the bottom.

Oh, man, I just tried that. I have wanted that for so long! Thanks for pointing it out!

[Quillz]

Maybe just something i've missed... but in the Dock settings dialogue, there is a button "minimize windows to program icon" (translated).

Is that new for this build?

EDIT:
And if this function is used, and e.g. some Finder windows is minimized, they are shown in the new Exposé separated in smaller windows at the bottom.
The "minimize to Dock icon" is definitely new. It doesn't really do anything differently, it just saves you some space on the Dock. (And it makes it act a bit more like the Windows taskbar.)

[biomorph]

Just a quick question to people who are using snow leopard. Do all your applications (which I assume were designed as 32 bit) work with snow leopard? I really want to download from a torrent and try it out.

[cms2]

The "minimize to Dock icon" is definitely new. It doesn't really do anything differently, it just saves you some space on the Dock. (And it makes it act a bit more like the Windows taskbar.)

I'm sorry, what exactly does this do?

[Cozmo85]

I'm sorry, what exactly does this do?

minimizes apps behind their dock shortcut

[atheros07]

minimizes apps behind their dock shortcut

What exactly (graphically) is it doing though? Say If I minimize a Firefox window, is it tiling the window behind the Firefox dock icon?

[jbgh]

What exactly (graphically) is it doing though? Say If I minimize a Firefox window, is it tiling the window behind the Firefox dock icon?

nope, just does the genie effect into the firefox icon, and the dissapears. you click the firefox icon to bring it back up, same way as clicking a minimized icon on the left of the dock does in leopard. or you can click and hold on the firefox icon to see a little expose thing of it while its still minimized

[Henk Poley]

When you [Tab] through Expose, programs without windows show you an empty grayed screen. Like on Finder with all of its windows closed. Feels like a bug.

[sstoy]

is there any way to close windows (ie: cmd+w) while in expose using a keyboard shortcut while your mouse is hovering over the window you would like to close? now THAT would be a fantastic feature. the "witch" pref pane is the closest thing i have found, but it would be very useful to be able to close a few windows while they were expose'd instead of "expose-->activate window-->cmd+w-->expose again-->activate window-->cmd+w"

[birch25]

I wish there was some sort of visual recognition that there is a minimized window "behind" the icon. There is a dot next to minimized windows when you right click on the app in the dock but that's not nearly enough. A different colored indicator or a tag on the icon maybe...

Also, the whole OS feels faster (snappier, if you will) with this update which is great.

[InkMaster]

I've uploaded a screen recording of it in action. It's not great quality because the MR upload limit is so small.
It's probably hard to see, but the minimized window shows up under a line at the bottom of the screen.

Few weeks back I also uploaded a sample of Quicktime's recording feature, in full res as-is out of Quicktime :p

http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=720429

[Greenbook]

They are both very cool in their own way. I can definitely tell you that they are not the same. Dock Expose is all about taking the whole screen whereas W7 is more of tiny version of Expose contained in a very small window that shows up on top of the icon. Dock Expose also does not bring focus back if you try to drag stuff across Space or Dock Expose, HOWEVER, it does have quicklook working in both Dock Expose and Expose, so it does do what you said.

Everybody benefits from both OS.

That's not quite correct about windows. In addition to the small thumbnails which appear when you hover your mouse over an icon in the taskbar, when you then hover your mouse over one of those thumbnails you get a full screen preview of that particular window (aka aero peek).

See here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HFrlVTuekjE

Also, at least in IE, tabs are displayed in there own thumbnail. I really need to stop using tabs and just expose my way around (perhaps with the new layout and window placement consistency in SL i'll be able to do that).


Note: I use macs at home, using windows at work and university (when I left my laptop at home). I bootcamped Windows 7 RC for while (but couldn't justify keeping the partition on my meagre 110gb drive).

[InkMaster]

Some of my findings...


Whenever you activate expose, it brings all windows to your primary display only.

Even if an app was on the secondary screen, it still moves it to the primary one when you switch to the 'all app windows' mode for that app

When you click and hold on any icon in the dock for which app isn't running, you get the standard white menu.

If you click and hold on an app which has windows open, it brings up the black menu.

[beg_ne]

Thanks for link to the vid supamario!

I'm really liking how the dock and expose updates are looking. A nice improvement over Leopard.

Only a few months more to wait...

[beg_ne]

That's not quite correct about windows. In addition to the small thumbnails which appear when you hover your mouse over an icon in the taskbar, when you then hover your mouse over one of those thumbnails you get a full screen preview of that particular window (aka aero peek).

See here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HFrlVTuekjE


I have to say I really really hate how fidgety that is. Having the thumbnails and the full screen preview activate just from a mouse over is horrible user experience design.

Also the Maximize, and Left/Right docking of windows has been nothing but a pain for me, it always engages when I just want to move a damn window out of my way.

[AdeFowler]

I installed the update and I agree, dock expose looks and works great. Expose is changed completely. When you go into expose mode you can click on the different apps to see the windows of that app. I particularly like that feature.
Do tabs in Safari 'expose', like in Windows 7 (Taskbar and IE)

[bryanzak]

I assume Rosetta is still part of Snow Leopard. So while SL won't run on PPC machines it'll still run older PPC apps and games as long as you're running on an Intel machine?

[InkMaster]

I assume Rosetta is still part of Snow Leopard. So while SL won't run on PPC machines it'll still run older PPC apps and games as long as you're running on an Intel machine?

Yeah, its an option install when you do a clean install (and upgrade if not mistaken) Also if you don't have it installed, from what I heard from other devs, though I haven't personally verified this, but they say that if its missing, SL automatically downloads and installs it if its needed for some app.

Do tabs in Safari 'expose', like in Windows 7 (Taskbar and IE)

No.

[Greenbook]

I have to say I really really hate how fidgety that is. Having the thumbnails and the full screen preview activate just from a mouse over is horrible user experience design.

Also the Maximize, and Left/Right docking of windows has been nothing but a pain for me, it always engages when I just want to move a damn window out of my way.

Yeah I think you are probably right. It looked quite amazing when I saw it previewed. I thought Windows 7 generally looked quite good, and thought that Microsoft had a good product on their hands. However I was underwhelmed/disappointed when I tried Windows 7 RC on my laptop. The whole thing seemed rather clunky to me (this was with full aero), and not as I had imagined it would be. My biggest gripe was the control panel, though that my have been due to my inexperience with it. I seemed to lead me around in circles a bit.

[cg0def]

I Want A Public Beta!!!

Apple is not in the habit of releasing unfinished products to the general public. And trust me when I tell you that SL is still not finished at all. There are some applications that do not work under 10.6 yet and Apple is giving the developers time to fix the issues so that you the end user are not going to suffer. Plus applications used to crash a lot in the previous release and that doesn't really look good for anyone. So no you do not want a public beta and unlike MS Apple actually has a very nice OS with 10.5 that you can use and love until 10.6 comes out.

[Oh-es-Ten]

Can anyone comment who is using 'tap to click' on a multi-touch trackpad?

I have a unibody Macbook (the model before it went Pro) and use tap to click for everything as the physical button is a bit hard to press and a little noisy.

At the moment, in 10.5 a tap and hold is just a tap! A two finder click brings up the contextual menu for the dock icon itself.

How can one initiate Dock Expose using tap to click? Someone mentioned that a two finger click would do it - can someone confirm that - would be great if it was as easy as that (without having to click 'physically' and hold).

[Greenbook]

Can anyone comment who is using 'tap to click' on a multi-touch trackpad?

I have a unibody Macbook (the model before it went Pro) and use tap to click for everything as the physical button is a bit hard to press and a little noisy.

At the moment, in 10.5 a tap and hold is just a tap! A two finder click brings up the contextual menu for the dock icon itself.

How can one initiate Dock Expose using tap to click? Someone mentioned that a two finger click would do it - can someone confirm that - would be great if it was as easy as that (without having to click 'physically' and hold).

Have you tried double tapping and holding?

EDIT: Just tried this in leopard on a unibody macbook, and provided you have tap and tab-dragging enabled, you get the same functionality as a hard click and hold. I see no reason why this wouldn't enable expose from the dock in Snow Leopard.

[elppa]

Btw, I really don't like those black pop up menus...I really preferred the white ones...

Disagree, think they look great. I suspect this is the beginnings of illuminous.

Dissapointing to read the menus are white when the app is not active… that is in no way consistent.

Window management is one place where OS X seriously lacks comparing to Windows. (Another is Finder).

I still think Windows Explorer interface is better than SL's Finder... actually, the XP implementation is the best, Vista messed up by trying to copy OS X's eye candy and made file selection a royal mess on the way. I haven't looked at Windows 7 yet.

Windows task bar is way way way easier than windows management in pre-SL OS X. With Dock Expose, finally it is as easy on Mac.

Taskbar is only easier if your used to it. If not the grouping behaviour in XP and Vista is confusing. I haven't used enough of seven to comment, but people used to 1 button == 1 window will be thrown.

Windows Explorer is better than the Finder in some areas and Finder is better in others. There's no QuickLook in Windows Explorer, nor do you have the useful column view. It's not all one way traffic. The path bar in Windows in nice though, especially how you can click on any folder in the path to see its contents.

I'm guessing (not certain) you are coming at it from the perspective of a user used to Windows. The first machine I used was a Mac and so that being the case I have a very different perspective.

Windows Apps tend to gravitate to being full screen, which for me irritating, because often on a Mac you can jump to a window that is peeking behind the active one. Also on a Mac you can quickly get rid of all the clutter with hide all and bring it back with show all. Because Windows and Linux Desktops don't have these great features, unless you are used to them many users new to the Mac don't understand or appreciate their value.

[DELLsFan]

"The update's description simply states that the new build contains fixes for stability, compatibility, and security."

I always chuckle when I see vague descriptions like this. I wonder if they coded something to make it harder for the Hackintosh community.

Here kitty kitty kitty ... come to my Mini! :D

[Quillz]

Windows Explorer is better than the Finder in some areas and Finder is better in others. There's no QuickLook in Windows Explorer, nor do you have the useful column view. It's not all one way traffic. The path bar in Windows in nice though, especially how you can click on any folder in the path to see its contents.
Quick Look is hardly a "must-have" feature. It's a gimmick, quite honestly. It has some uses, but oftentimes it's barely any quicker than just opening an application and viewing/editing the file.

Windows Apps tend to gravitate to being full screen, which for me irritating, because often on a Mac you can jump to a window that is peeking behind the active one. Also on a Mac you can quickly get rid of all the clutter with hide all and bring it back with show all. Because Windows and Linux Desktops don't have these great features, unless you are used to them many users new to the Mac don't understand or appreciate their value.
I don't know why you say this, because it's actually quite easy to tile/cascade/arrange Windows... windows. I rarely maximize in Windows because there's no need to. The taskbar gives you very simple options for cascading, stacking, tiling and other methods of arranging your windows. And in Windows 7, there is also the new "Aero Snaps" feature, which lets you have two documents fill up the entire screen real estate, which is useful for comparing and dragging and dropping.

[Quillz]

Okay, is there a reason I was able to get the update fine on my MacBook, but not on my iMac. I've tried four times now, and I keep getting an installation error, telling me the file (seed) doesn't exist...

[Greenbook]

Windows Explorer is better than the Finder in some areas and Finder is better in others. There's no QuickLook in Windows Explorer, nor do you have the useful column view. It's not all one way traffic. The path bar in Windows in nice though, especially how you can click on any folder in the path to see its contents.

Column view is without doubt the best.

[elppa]

Quick Look is hardly a "must-have" feature. It's a gimmick, quite honestly. It has some uses, but oftentimes it's barely any quicker than just opening an application and viewing/editing the file.

Not if you don't have the application. Quick Look does a good job with word and excel files. Documents which belong to Photoshop and other apps that take a long time to open are easier to QuickLook.

Files which you don't really open (like font files and vcards) are nice in quick look, before you add them to font book or address book. Previewing attachments which quick look saves time. Organising files is easier, because you can see the contents without switching context.

Just because you think it is gimmicky, doesn't mean that is the case for everyone. Gimmicky is transparent menu bar, Quick Look is a real boon.

Time Machine wouldn't work half as well without QuickLook either. If QuickLook is added to open/save dialogs, it would be even better.

Spring loaded folders is another feature which I find useful (not gimmicky) in Finder, which is just not there in Windows Explorer.

[Pooshka]

Wow, Apple seriously effed up Exposé with this one; I'm no longer able to view ALL open windows in ALL spaces simultaneously, nor am I able to move them around. WTF!!!!!!!!!! :mad::mad::mad::mad:

[*LTD*]

Quick Look is hardly a "must-have" feature. It's a gimmick, quite honestly. It has some uses, but oftentimes it's barely any quicker than just opening an application and viewing/editing the file.

Quicklook is indispensable for previewing. In fact it's basically an image/dcoument viewer that is instant-on. It is FAR faster than opening an application. And this is doubly apparent when watching a movie using Quicklook.

I'm pretty surprised you think it's a gimmick. There are users that make extensive use of it.

[AidenShaw]

They are both very cool in their own way. I can definitely tell you that they are not the same. Dock Expose is all about taking the whole screen whereas W7 is more of tiny version of Expose contained in a very small window that shows up on top of the icon. Dock Expose also does not bring focus back if you try to drag stuff across Space or Dock Expose, HOWEVER, it does have quicklook working in both Dock Expose and Expose, so it does do what you said.

Everybody benefits from both OS.

In Windows 7 if you hover over the icon you see the thumbnail window, but if you then hover over one of the thumbnails you see that window fullsize onscreen in its actual position (all other windows fade to a shadow of the window frame).

I find this very handy if you need to look at a hidden window to check on something. For example, if you're replying to an email, you might need to check something on a web page that's hidden. Hover over IE, then hover over the appropriate web page and check the fact - then move the mouse away from the task bar and you're still in the email. Focus never changed.

One of the Dock Exposé descriptions sounded like it had a similar featue (the ability to see the full contents of another window without shifting focus and then having to shift focus back to the original window).

[jake921660]

I feel like an idiot.

I just tried to rub the dot in that first picture on the original post thinking it was something on my screen.

[wfarr]

I've noticed a really weird issue.

Typing in any text field in the operating system is making the "error" beep you usually get if say you try to type in a field that's too long or a window that's not focused.

Has anyone else noticed this?

[michele.longhi]

If QuickLook is added to open/save dialogs, it would be even better.

You'll be happy to know that in SL this feature is present. Edit: only for Open dialogs.

[Banyan Bruce]

hopefully they change the look of the dock. i know i'll feel incomplete without a new dock lol

A new dock would be the icing that would make this cake something really really special. :cool:

[applecultvictim]

Yeah I think you are probably right. It looked quite amazing when I saw it previewed. I thought Windows 7 generally looked quite good, and thought that Microsoft had a good product on their hands. However I was underwhelmed/disappointed when I tried Windows 7 RC on my laptop. The whole thing seemed rather clunky to me (this was with full aero), and not as I had imagined it would be. My biggest gripe was the control panel, though that my have been due to my inexperience with it. I seemed to lead me around in circles a bit.

Trust me it wasn't your inexperience, I ve been using windows for 15+ years and I still haven't figured it out, it's just a mess, a sordid mess and it gets farworse everyyear with menus and submenus and sidebars and all sorts of useless crap that can't make upgor a good interface.

[Detektiv-Pinky]

You'll be happy to know that in SL this feature is present.

Can you 'Quick Look' into Spotlight searches? That would be really helpful.

Or searching in documents openend in Quick Look...

[michele.longhi]

Can you 'Quick Look' into Spotlight searches? That would be really helpful.

Or searching in documents openend in Quick Look...

Nope. They "just" added QL in Open dialogs. I agree that would be really great to have it also in Spotlight searches.

[Banyan Bruce]

hopefully they change the look of the dock. i know i'll feel incomplete without a new dock lol

A new dock would be the icing that would make this cake something really really special. :cool:

Spotlight has proved so inaccurate in file search that I've resorted to buying pathfinder, which is far superior in almost every way. Is the new spotlight likely to be pathfinder like with path file clearly illustrated? :confused:

[Saladinos]

Maybe just something i've missed... but in the Dock settings dialogue, there is a button "minimize windows to program icon" (translated).

Is that new for this build?

EDIT:
And if this function is used, and e.g. some Finder windows is minimized, they are shown in the new Exposé separated in smaller windows at the bottom.

Good catch. I like that feature. Dock Expose groups minimised and open windows separately, which is cool. Regular expose has also been changed to have the same layout as Dock Expose, and brings in windows from all screens to the main screen.

[PsykX]

Any "Font smoothing style" yet?

I find it very odd that Apple has seemingly removed options for "Font smoothing styles" in: System Preferences>Appearance.

Does anyone else find this odd?

Not really... Any computer running Snow Leopard will have an LCD screen so it will required the LCD font smoothing...

I tried the new build yesterday by the way, and it seems to have a fixed a few graphics issues with the menus, it includes dock exposé and the ability to minimize windows into their icons (instead of at the right of the dock) and this is pretty good, and it seems already much more stable. So much that I'm wondering if it won't be my main OS or what on my iMac that I use all the time... But I have some specific apps that I don't know if they will work or not.

Anyways, I smell the final aproaching very quickly, this build makes much more sense than the one they gave at WWDC...

Now if only they could add as many languages tools as in Office 2007, and include more than just English in Dicitonnary.app. I would also love a store a little bit like the App Store for the iPhone, which could regroup every single software update possible. Sparle is a really good thing, but you need to start every application to start it. If it could run via Software Update, I'd be really happy and up-to-date all the time. Apple's servers would be a little overcharged, but their server farm will handle it :P

[Chundles]

Anyone got the new desktops?

[michele.longhi]

And if this function is used, and e.g. some Finder windows is minimized, they are shown in the new Exposé separated in smaller windows at the bottom.

...and you can move the split separator, causing the size of the windows to change...

[yop39]

when lauching dock exposé, snowleopard will show you open windows as well as minimized ones (separated by a thin line)

[yop39]

I've been able to use my epson scanner (linked to my iMac) and access it through my macbook pro !

Snow leopard will definitely the worth !!!

[bli625]

Is the iStat Pro menu bar working in this build?

[The JTizzle]

Any one notice the new expose don't play super well with spaces? If i'm in space 1, and i click and hold on the mail icon, when mail is in space 4, all I get is a darkened screen and now windows. Any one else get this?

[Peace]

Any one notice the new expose don't play super well with spaces? If i'm in space 1, and i click and hold on the mail icon, when mail is in space 4, all I get is a darkened screen and now windows. Any one else get this?
Ya I've noticed that. It's almost as if Apple were planning on using spaces for something else.

[The JTizzle]

I've been able to use my epson scanner (linked to my iMac) and access it through my macbook pro !

Snow leopard will definitely the worth !!!

Got my hopes up Airport Scanning might work, but tested just nwo andsadly no dice.

[michele.longhi]

Just noticed:
now Spaces gives a visual feedback when moving a windows from one space to another, either by dragging it to the border of screen or by holding the mouse and using keys (leopard features). The same animation is used while changing spaces, replacing the old one - the arrows are gone.

[iBLAKEE]

Is the iStat Pro menu bar working in this build?

Yes, it has always worked for me.

Here is a stupid little video I made last night to demonstrate dock expose to my friend, but you guy's can have a look if your confused about what it does.
http://gallery.me.com/blakeee/100023

[slackpacker]

Do a show all in Spotlight. Does your Search window show "SIZE" as well.

When I goto view options for the window I see that its checked and unelectable to turn it off or on. Anyone know how to turn this off or On. I have another system that does not show the SIZE row. I love now being able to see the SIZE line in Spotlight searches.

[*LTD*]

Trust me it wasn't your inexperience, I ve been using windows for 15+ years and I still haven't figured it out, it's just a mess, a sordid mess and it gets farworse everyyear with menus and submenus and sidebars and all sorts of useless crap that can't make upgor a good interface.

Microsoft doesn't know how to design an interface. It's been this way for years now, since before XP. Or else they simply don't care or relegate it to low-priority status.

Whatever the case, they have no over-arching mission statement when it comes to their products.

With Apple, you KNOW right off the bat what's most important to them and what you can expect in their products. Design, design, design. The process that happens between the time a user picks up the device and executes the desired action. That makes all the difference.

[applecultvictim]

Microsoft doesn't know how to design an interface. It's been this way for years now, since before XP. Or else they simply don't care or relegate it to low-priority status.

Whatever the case, they have no over-arching mission statement when it comes to their products.

With Apple, you KNOW right off the bat what's most important to them and what you can expect in their products. Design, design, design. The process that happens between the time a user picks up the device and executes the desired action. That makes all the difference.

Amen, Brother! So well said.

Now let me get a napkin to wipe my salivating over snow leopard!!!:):D

[Quillz]

Microsoft doesn't know how to design an interface. It's been this way for years now, since before XP. Or else they simply don't care or relegate it to low-priority status.

Whatever the case, they have no over-arching mission statement when it comes to their products.

With Apple, you KNOW right off the bat what's most important to them and what you can expect in their products. Design, design, design. The process that happens between the time a user picks up the device and executes the desired action. That makes all the difference.
I'm amazed people still blindly believe this theory.

Trust me it wasn't your inexperience, I ve been using windows for 15+ years and I still haven't figured it out, it's just a mess, a sordid mess and it gets farworse everyyear with menus and submenus and sidebars and all sorts of useless crap that can't make upgor a good interface.
If you can't figure out Windows, then frankly you shouldn't be using computers. I know it's fun to hate Windows around here, and that's fine, but the simple fact is that it's extremely usable by the average user. It wouldn't have 90%+ market share if it wasn't. (And yes, the near monopoly helps, too.)

Quicklook is indispensable for previewing. In fact it's basically an image/dcoument viewer that is instant-on. It is FAR faster than opening an application. And this is doubly apparent when watching a movie using Quicklook.

I'm pretty surprised you think it's a gimmick. There are users that make extensive use of it.
I make a lot of usage out of it, too. My point is, though, that the lack of it on other operating system doesn't somehow make them unusuable. I have no problems using Windows and Linux, despite the "archaic" practice of having to open files with programs.

[*LTD*]

If you can't figure out Windows, then frankly you shouldn't be using computers. I know it's fun to hate Windows around here, and that's fine, but the simple fact is that it's extremely usable by the average user. It wouldn't have 90%+ market share if it wasn't. (And yes, the near monopoly helps, too.)

It has 90% market share because of licensing to everyone and their dog. And it shows too, and not in a good way.

Apple decided on a closed system and charged more for it. Apple mismanaged this paradigm in the mid-90's and it almost killed them. Steve Jobs returned and Apple executed it correctly. And now Apple dominates the upper end of the spectrum, relegating MS' products to bargain-basement (cheap, low-class) status.

It's just that simple. MS decided to be common. Apple decided to be unique, and to infuse their products with features that emphasize that. All the time. Everywhere.

And here we are. That Steve Jobs ("they have no taste") interview from years ago encapsulates the situation perfectly:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WfALGcDNEDw

It really does come down to attitude. What attitude do you have toward the user? What is your vision when it comes to how the user should interact with technology. MS has no real vision in this area. It's just a series of hit-and-miss experiments. Nearly everything Apple has touched (from even before the move to Intel) has turned to gold. While MS can't even manage to roll out a decent OS since 2001 (not that XP was anything to be proud of.) The only thing impressive that rolled out of Redmond in recent memory has been the Xbox.

[chipmonkey]

This is a feature I'll never ever use because the dock sucks. When you're seriously multitasking, the dock becomes bogged down on even the fastest Mac Pro's. You end up waiting for the dock to un-freeze and probably end up clicking on the wrong item when you actually do click. So I'll want to use this expose feature and end up opening photoshop instead by mistake. No thanks.

[InkMaster]

It's not all one way traffic. The path bar in Windows in nice though, especially how you can click on any folder in the path to see its contents.

Errr, correct me if I'm wrong, but Finder has had the path bar too which works in the exact same manner for years now also :p At least since 10.5 was released...

Nope. They "just" added QL in Open dialogs. I agree that would be really great to have it also in Spotlight searches.

While would be.. useful, kinda hard to make it usable... given that spotlight is activated via 'space' by default, and well, in a text field, a space is well, a space :p

I'm amazed people still blindly believe this theory.

The theory that MS can't design good interfaces? Why a theory? Seems more like the obvious truth... Not that I'm trying to bash or attack them, but well, lets put it this way, they aren't exactly known for making things look good. XP looked Fisher Price, Vista looked like the 'Shiny' dial was turned up to 11, 7 is well, not at all different from Vista...

How about this, when Microsoft improves the crappy text rendering in Windows, the same crappy rendering that they've used for a decade now, then we can talk, but while the characters look like over-saturated insects running around your screen... well, yeah...


If you can't figure out Windows, then frankly you shouldn't be using computers. I know it's fun to hate Windows around here, and that's fine, but the simple fact is that it's extremely usable by the average user. It wouldn't have 90%+ market share if it wasn't.

While I agree with the initial statement, I highly disagree that its "highly usable by average user". It is not highly usable, all it is is familiar and people are used to it. Kinda like just because plenty of people watch FOX News, doesn't make them any more credible, just more popular.

When I'll stop having to fix computers for every single relative because "they got slow" is the day I'll say that Windows has become "usable" for the "average user".

I make a lot of usage out of it, too. My point is, though, that the lack of it on other operating system doesn't somehow make them unusuable. I have no problems using Windows and Linux, despite the "archaic" practice of having to open files with programs.

Oh I too use XP, Vista, 7, Fedora and OS X on a daily basis, and I'm extremely proficient in all, but it doesn't make Windows blow any less :p

This is a feature I'll never ever use because the dock sucks. When you're seriously multitasking, the dock becomes bogged down on even the fastest Mac Pro's. You end up waiting for the dock to un-freeze and probably end up clicking on the wrong item when you actually do click. So I'll want to use this expose feature and end up opening photoshop instead by mistake. No thanks.

err... honestly that sounds more like a personal problem then a problem with the dock. I've never heard of anyone "opening Photoshop by mistake". Don't want to accidentally click on it? Remove it from the dock. Maybe you have it running with every single app in it with the icons being 16x16px? :p Also "bogged down on even the fastest Mac Pros" - ok, now you're just blowing steam outta your rear... The lowest end Mini can run the dock perfectly fine even with a hundred icons in it... If your "fastest Mac Pro" is struggling keeping the dock running, then again, that sounds like you're just doing something wrong... seriously...

[michele.longhi]

While would be.. useful, kinda hard to make it usable... given that spotlight is activated via 'space' by default, and well, in a text field, a space is well, a space :p

of course not with the space...but maybe with the spotlight icon (then eye) that appears on a spotlight item when the pointer is over it...:cool:

[InkMaster]

of cource not with the space...but maybe with the spotlight icon (then eye) that appears on a spotlight item when the pointer hover on it...:cool:

I forgot the last time I used the mouse when doing spotlight searches :p I just do it all from the keyboard :p

[MartinAyla]

Yes, it has always worked for me.

Yes, iStat Pro works (the widget), but the menu bar (iStat Menus) doesn't work, at least not for me :(

The menu bar is so much more useful than the widget, imo.

If anyone has gotten the cpu/network monitor working in the menu bar, please do post!

[michele.longhi]

I forgot the last time I used the mouse when doing spotlight searches :p I just do it all from the keyboard :p

Right! Me too, but I'm sure at Apple can figure a solution...

[harry20larry]

I hate the new expose, i think apple have completely ruined it.
I like the dock expose feature and the light blue glow but:
1. The window sizes are no longer proportional!
2. The words are underneath, this clutters the screen
3. Doesn't work well with spaces
4. It is very laggy (but this will probably be fixed)

[windywoo]

When I'll stop having to fix computers for every single relative because "they got slow" is the day I'll say that Windows has become "usable" for the "average user".

Oh I too use XP, Vista, 7, Fedora and OS X on a daily basis, and I'm extremely proficient in all, but it doesn't make Windows blow any less :p

You would have to help elderly relatives no matter what OS they used. I'm glad you use so many OSes, I do too, and I wouldn't recommend anything but Windows. Linux I would have too much explaining to do, OSX I would have less explaining to do, but explaining nonetheless. The biggest thing I would have to explain would be the price.

[*LTD*]

This is a feature I'll never ever use because the dock sucks. When you're seriously multitasking, the dock becomes bogged down on even the fastest Mac Pro's. You end up waiting for the dock to un-freeze and probably end up clicking on the wrong item when you actually do click. So I'll want to use this expose feature and end up opening photoshop instead by mistake. No thanks.

Lots of users rely on the Dock. It's the first place we go. It has notifications, everything. Add in Stacks to the mix (I have a whole section of Stacks that represent the folders in my Home folder), and it's a thing of beauty. I even have a "recent documents" stack that also can show recent applications, volumes, servers, items, etc. Does it automatically.

[jbellanca]

Is the iStat Pro menu bar working in this build?

iStat Pro (the dashboard widget) works. iStat Menus does not yet work. Hopefully soon though, I love that app.

[InkMaster]

You would have to help elderly relatives no matter what OS they used. I'm glad you use so many OSes, I do too, and I wouldn't recommend anything but Windows. Linux I would have too much explaining to do, OSX I would have less explaining to do, but explaining nonetheless. The biggest thing I would have to explain would be the price.

Who says anything about them being elderly :p I would say 90% of my problems are with the 10-20 age group :p

[*LTD*]

Who says anything about them being elderly :p I would say 90% of my problems are with the 10-20 age group :p

"Why can't I go on Facebook?"

"Can you 'clean' my computer? I think my brother was on it and he downloaded a bunch of ****"

"Where did all my pics go?"

"It says NTLDR not found. What the **** does that mean??"

"it says it wants to update the Windows update." (I love this one. An update to the update to the update of Windows update. LOL)

"Can I use my iPod on this?"

"Ok, I'm gonna go play on my Wii while you fix that."

"Ok I want a Mac instead."


Yup. ;)

[kemo]

any1 can confirm that, Forklift App works on this build, please?

[applecultvictim]

If you can't figure out Windows, then frankly you shouldn't be using computers. I know it's fun to hate Windows around here, and that's fine, but the simple fact is that it's extremely usable by the average user. It wouldn't have 90%+ market share if it wasn't. (And yes, the near monopoly helps, too.)


I won't even be bothered to respond to your comment. Kindergarden stuff...

[michele.longhi]

any1 can confirm that, Forklift App works on this build, please?

No, it doesn't.

[MartinAyla]

any1 can confirm that, Forklift App works on this build, please?

Yep, latest ForkLift works, you just have to make some symbolic links in Terminal :)

This was the most important app for me, so I'm glad it works!

Guide here: http://www.zoltanb.co.uk/index.php?/articles/how-to-get-forklift-17-working-on-snow-leopard.php

[*LTD*]

I won't even be bothered to respond to your comment. Kindergarden stuff...

it's extremely usable by the average user. It wouldn't have 90%+ market share if it wasn't. . . .

was the funny part.

[InkMaster]

"Why can't I go on Facebook?"

"Can you 'clean' my computer? I think my brother was on it and he downloaded a bunch of ****"

"Where did all my pics go?"

"It says NTLDR not found. What the **** does that mean??"

"it says it wants to update the Windows update." (I love this one. An update to the update to the update of Windows update. LOL)

"Can I use my iPod on this?"

"Ok, I'm gonna go play on my Wii while you fix that."

"Ok I want a Mac instead."


Yup. ;)

Ironically, they keep asking the same stupid **** even after they get a Mac :p

I won't even be bothered to respond to your comment. Kindergarden stuff...

Yet you just did... -__-

[Eidorian]

Ironically, they keep asking the same stupid **** even after they get a Mac :PI've run into quite a few users that thought just switching over to OS X would make their computing lives easier. To them Mac OS X was supposed to be easier to use or for the computer illiterate. Yet you still are asked the same questions that they had over on Windows.

[birch25]

It has 90% market share because of licensing to everyone and their dog. And it shows too, and not in a good way.

Apple decided on a closed system and charged more for it. Apple mismanaged this paradigm in the mid-90's and it almost killed them. Steve Jobs returned and Apple executed it correctly. And now Apple dominates the upper end of the spectrum, relegating MS' products to bargain-basement (cheap, low-class) status.

It's just that simple.

The upper end of the spectrum? What does that even mean? Windows is used on the highest end hardware and runs some of the most complex and advanced applications in the world and its user experience is acceptable for most people. I'm a Mac guy too (posting this from the latest Snow Leopard build) but I also have a Win7 partition and I hardly feel my computing is slowed down at all by using it. Your comment reeks of blind fanboyism and complete disregard for any idea besides "Apple is great and Microsoft sucks."

Is the iStat Pro menu bar working in this build?

It didn't work in any earlier build and still does not in this one either. Maybe someone has a workaround but I get a message that says "iStat menus could not load the network extra".

[birch25]

Who says anything about them being elderly :p I would say 90% of my problems are with the 10-20 age group :p

Tell them to stop using Limewire. In a world of bittorrent it amazes me how many people I know still have these archaic p2p programs flooding their systems with viruses!

[InkMaster]

Tell them to stop using Limewire. In a world of bittorrent it amazes me how many people I know still have these archaic p2p programs flooding their systems with viruses!

Oh noes! But where then will they get their music for free!

[*LTD*]

Ironically, they keep asking the same stupid **** even after they get a Mac :p

LOL, so true!

Bootcamp . . . it can be a curse.

[InkMaster]

LOL, so true!

Bootcamp . . . it can be a curse.

Oh I meant they keep asking even while using OS X :confused:

[Eidorian]

LOL, so true!

Bootcamp . . . it can be a curse.What does it have to do when they're asking these questions on OS X? :confused:

[satcomer]

Is the iStat Pro menu bar working in this build?

No

[*LTD*]

The upper end of the spectrum? What does that even mean? Windows is used on the highest end hardware and runs some of the most complex and advanced applications in the world and its user experience is acceptable for most people. I'm a Mac guy too .

Guess you're not a real "Mac guy."

Sorry. We'll have to take back your membership card. And please stop visiting the buffet, as it is no longer free.

(The upper end of the spectrum means that Apple dominates the Premium end of the industry. Apple products are regarded as Premium products, that sell on margin, not volume. And those with more money to spend and more disposable income are choosing Macs.)

[emmab2006]

In All Honisty 10A394 , is very close to GM , i am running from now on as my main system i have absolutly no ISSUES running it , and welcome the update via the Software update ,

[InkMaster]

Guess you're not a real "Mac guy."

Sorry. We'll have to take back your membership card. And please stop visiting the buffet, as it is no longer free.

(The upper end of the spectrum means that Apple dominates the Premium end of the industry. Apple products are regarded as Premium products, that sell on margin, not volume. And those with more money to spend and more disposable income are choosing Macs.)

So to sum up what you're saying... we're all elitist bastards here :D

In All Honisty 10A394 , is very close to GM , i am running from now on as my main system i have absolutly no ISSUES running it , and welcome the update via the Software update ,

I agree. I've been using 10A380 on my my primary work machine for the last month or so, and so far it has been excellent. Few bugs here and there, but very much so usable. Now updated to 10A394, and even those bugs that I was experiencing seems to have gone away. Awesome! Can't wait for final release!

[macpro2000]

So to sum up what you're saying... we're all elitist bastards here :D

and loving it too!!!

[kemo]

Yep, latest ForkLift works, you just have to make some symbolic links in Terminal :)

This was the most important app for me, so I'm glad it works!

Guide here: http://www.zoltanb.co.uk/index.php?/articles/how-to-get-forklift-17-working-on-snow-leopard.php

wwwohooooooooooo! you made me A DAY MATE! Gonna install latest seed asap! THANKS IN ADVANCE! I owe ya a beer mate!!! ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^:apple::apple::apple::apple::apple::apple::apple:

By the way, hope there is no problem to get running PHP5 and MySQL for local web developing, right ?

[*LTD*]

So to sum up what you're saying... we're all elitist bastards here :D

It's just a label.

Now if you excuse me, my vanilla latte is getting cold . . .

[MartinAyla]

wwwohooooooooooo! you made me A DAY MATE! Gonna install latest seed asap! THANKS IN ADVANCE! I owe ya a beer mate!!! ^^ ^^ ^^ ^^:apple::apple::apple::apple::apple::apple::apple:

You're welcome :)

I can't live without ForkLift either.

[thibaulthalpern]

Don't ask for help with a Snow Leopard Beta at MacRumors. Did you forget you signed an NDA? Post your questions in the Apple SL Beta forum.

He probably isn't part of the official Snow Leopard Beta testers. He probably got the beta from somewhere illegally.

[cjmike]

Yes, it has always worked for me.[/url]

hey iBLAKEE, I noticed a temperature and fan gauge at the top of your screen in your gallery. What program is that?!

iStat Menu's wont work for me but the dashboard widget works. Whats that one you have?

Cheers!
-Mike

EDIT: Its SMCFanControl (http://www.eidac.de/)

[Drag'nGT]

Ironically, they keep asking the same stupid **** even after they get a Mac :p

Two days ago someone asked me "can you still get on the internet on a Mac?"

[thibaulthalpern]

Wow, Apple seriously effed up Exposé with this one; I'm no longer able to view ALL open windows in ALL spaces simultaneously, nor am I able to move them around. WTF!!!!!!!!!! :mad::mad::mad::mad:

It's beta. You probably aren't a official beta tester if you're expressing this type of comment on this board. You have no reason to be mad. Your "mad" is justified only when the official version comes out. Until then, you have no justification to be angry.

[InkMaster]

Two days ago someone asked me "can you still get on the internet on a Mac?"

Hence my point :p Sigh, some of those people just make me cry :'(


It's beta. You probably aren't a official beta tester if you're expressing this type of comment on this board. You have no reason to be mad. Your "mad" is justified only when the official version comes out. Until then, you have no justification to be angry.

And that is exactly why Apple never has any public betas of operating systems, because then people who aren't developers get the beta and then bash every single little point giving Apple a bad rep.

I mean at least when we devs point out flaws is beta software, we make it clear to everyone that its *beta software*, its not done and is subject to change, the regular users on the other hand just grab it and run with it :/

[*LTD*]

Hence my point :p Sigh, some of those people just make me cry :'(




And that is exactly why Apple never has any public betas of operating systems, because then people who aren't developers get the beta and then bash every single little point giving Apple a bad rep.

I mean at least when we devs point out flaws is beta software, we make it clear to everyone that its *beta software*, its not done and is subject to change, the regular users on the other hand just grab it and run with it :/

Agreed. Spreading betas around like they were candy only cheapens the product. And very often, these unauthorized beta-kiddies have nothing really constructive to add.

[onedamngoal]

Some points from an average user:


Size (Before 10.6 I barely had 40 GB free; now just over 50 GB free!) Probably has to do with the new base 10 as well.

Borderless Quicktime X is awesome!

Time AND DATE in the menubar! (May not be big to you, but I'm always forgetting the date.)

[InkMaster]

Time AND DATE in the menubar! (May not be big to you, but I'm always forgetting the date.)


Actually that functionality existed since at least 10.3 ;)

[*LTD*]

Actually that functionality existed since at least 10.3 ;)

I don't think it ever showed the full date, though. I have "show time and date" checked, but I only see "Sat 1:54 PM", for example, not the full date. For that I'd have to click on the date and time in order to see the full date in the drop-down nenu.

Unless I'm doing something wrong here . . .

[Darkroom]

Dock Exposé is seriously going to rule my world.

[Hurben]

But is there 'Cut & Paste'?

[felt.]

in leopard (not snow) when you activate expose then press tab it cycles through the running apps showing all windows belonging to whatever app is currently selected, so i'm failing to see what there is to get excited about with this new expose, someone please enlighten me :confused:

[*LTD*]

Dock Exposé is seriously going to rule my world.

Stop it. ;)

I can only take seeing so much enthusiasm before I do something impulsive, like buy a Macbook Air right this moment.

[michele.longhi]

Actually that functionality existed since at least 10.3 ;)

Not true. In versions prior to 10.6 you have only the option to show the day of the week along with the time.

[nozebleed]

in leopard (not snow) when you activate expose then press tab it cycles through the running apps showing all windows belonging to whatever app is currently selected, so i'm failing to see what there is to get excited about with this new expose, someone please enlighten me :confused:

yeah I'm not really sure either. or why you wouldnt set hot corners for expose all windows? then pick what you want? what i have noticed and really liked about both dock expose and expose is how the windows are more organized, and there is blue highlighting with the name of the window underneath in a bubble. No more shading. Looks alot more refined. As far as i can tell this build is really stable too, and I havent found any bugs yet.

[MikhailT]

in leopard (not snow) when you activate expose then press tab it cycles through the running apps showing all windows belonging to whatever app is currently selected, so i'm failing to see what there is to get excited about with this new expose, someone please enlighten me :confused:

Think of it as Expose 1.5 instead of brand new Expose. It is an evolution of what Expose was. Now it is easier to see all applications window by just clicking on the app icon which also comes with Quicklook for the windows including hidden and minimized windows. Tabbing takes more time especially if you have more than 10 apps running at same time. Just clicking on the icon and you got all windows for you. Yes, you can actually just press App Windows Expose button and it can do the same thing.

[doug in albq]

Again, WHERE IS THE FONT SMOOTHING STYLES?

(instead of telling me to calm down, simply answer the question.)

[MikhailT]

Again, WHERE IS THE FONT SMOOTHING STYLES?

(instead of telling me to calm down, simply answer the question.)

It's gone. I doubt it is coming back. There is only one checkbox and it is on/off.

[twoodcc]

alright! i will download and install now

[doug in albq]

It's gone. I doubt it is coming back. There is only one checkbox and it is on/off.

What I should have asked: WHY DID THEY REMOVE FONT SMOOTHIG OPTIONS? That one option of ON/OFF does not cut it. It
makes the fonts on my S-IPS display look terrible.

Hope Apple fixes this. Less font smoothing/poor implementation...Is Apple giving into the Windows way of very crisp fonts that do not retain their actual shape?

Sure hope not or I have one less reason not to check out Windows 7...

[InkMaster]

Not true. In versions prior to 10.6 you have only the option to show the day of the week along with the time.

Not true. <By default> it shows only day of the week. However in all versions... 10.3, 10.4, 10.5 and now 10.6 you could go and manually just to ANYTHING you want :)

[MikhailT]

What I should have asked: WHY DID THEY REMOVE FONT SMOOTHIG OPTIONS? That one option of ON/OFF does not cut it. It
makes the fonts on my S-IPS display look terrible.

Hope Apple fixes this. Less font smoothing/poor implementation...Is Apple giving into the Windows way of very crisp fonts that do not retain their actual shape?

Sure hope not or I have one less reason not to check out Windows 7...

Nobody here knows why. Apple do not share any information on this and if you want to know, you have to wait til 10.6 is released and than you can email Apple and ask.

[elppa]

in leopard (not snow) when you activate expose then press tab it cycles through the running apps showing all windows belonging to whatever app is currently selected, so i'm failing to see what there is to get excited about with this new expose, someone please enlighten me :confused:

3 things:
1] All Windows can be zoomed (without leaving exposé) for a quick preview
2] Minimised windows show in exposé
3] Titles are displayed by default, making it easier to find code and text documents. All windows are laid out in more logical, easier to scan rows.

[Riemann Zeta]

Downloading now. I wonder if this has the Safari 4.0.1 update included?

[davidramsay]

Most developers don't have access to the 10.6 seeds or the new APIs, so they are stuck on figuring out how to fix their applications for Snow Leopard.

I am appalled at this statement, it costs $499 for a company to register as an Apple Developer and gives access to Beta versions.

I would say that anyone who hasn't been prepared to register are not really 'Apple Developers'. :confused:

[michele.longhi]

Not true. <By default> it shows only day of the week. However in all versions... 10.3, 10.4, 10.5 and now 10.6 you could go and manually just to ANYTHING you want :)

I don't think that tweaks are something that a typical Mac user wants to work with. So we can say that leopard has the 2D tiger style bottom dock? Uhm.

[shodai34]

Anyone know why when I go to update it says an error occurred and that the file does not exist? I download it and it restarts and it says that.

Yes, we signed an NDA, that doesn't mean we have to be jerks, and it doesn't mean we can't talk about troubleshooting steps.

I fixed the problem on mine by going into the console, looking at the system log file for errors, and seeing what wasn't working. I ended up removing everything related to parallels desktop, and several other startup items that were indicating problems. Now happy to report I run 10a394 with no problem.

[raulrea]

Yes, we signed an NDA, that doesn't mean we have to be jerks, and it doesn't mean we can't talk about troubleshooting steps.

I fixed the problem on mine by going into the console, looking at the system log file for errors, and seeing what wasn't working. I ended up removing everything related to parallels desktop, and several other startup items that were indicating problems. Now happy to report I run 10a394 with no problem.

Nice! there is a fix! Can you help me out a bit more about how to fix it thogh?
I looked into my /username/Library/logs/ files and folders and didn't find anything :/

thanks in advance!

[MikhailT]

I am appalled at this statement, it costs $499 for a company to register as an Apple Developer and gives access to Beta versions.

I would say that anyone who hasn't been prepared to register are not really 'Apple Developers'. :confused:

There's a lot of open source companies and even MORE independent developers that is not going to pay for that where they would rather just focus on current applications and fixing it up and wait for the final release to get all the information they need for free.

Remember it is $500 per YEAR. not just one time 500$. That's just the basic level, larger companies tend to pay for the Premier level which is 3500$ per year.

I don't understand what you are appalled about considering many of the developers are not part of any company but rather just develop on their own free time.

[sinX80]

Nice! there is a fix! Can you help me out a bit more about how to fix it thogh?
I looked into my /username/Library/logs/ files and folders and didn't find anything :/

thanks in advance!

I would use console.app it's more organized.

[Azrel]

Are there any changes for XCoders in 10.6?

[hallowhero]

Yes, we signed an NDA, that doesn't mean we have to be jerks, and it doesn't mean we can't talk about troubleshooting steps.

I fixed the problem on mine by going into the console, looking at the system log file for errors, and seeing what wasn't working. I ended up removing everything related to parallels desktop, and several other startup items that were indicating problems. Now happy to report I run 10a394 with no problem.

Thanks so much. I'll try it right now. Looks like google desktop is giving me grief.

Update: Well I removed everything related to google desktop along with parallels so I'm missing something cause it still doesn't work.

[manwithaband]

I didn't have time to read all the replies, so I'm not sure if these items have been mentioned, but in my first couple of minutes with the new seed I noticed two other minor changes:

1. For users with older batteries, the exclamation point battery warning no longer appears in the battery icon in the menu bar, but not appears only in the power menu allowing users to again see the battery percentage meter when using an older battery.

2. The "Share Screen" and "Connect As..." buttons in Finder windows are now dark grey instead of light grey.

These aren't significant updates, but I though I'd mention them anyway.

[OZMP]

noticing some lag when typing....

[kemo]

really Love this seed more and more, all is really fast, Forklift is workin for now, new Exposé is really lovely, really enjoyin these features and cant wait to september when I just PAY for all of these! Keep it Up guys!:apple::apple::apple:

[Ti_Poussin]

Any developers have play with OpenCL and grand central yet? I was wondering what are there impression on it so far?

I was a bit deceive to see the only supported card for OpenCL, I guess I will have to upgrade my video card, ho, wait I can't I get a freaking iMac :mad:

Anybody known if the dictionary application have other language then english?

Can someone tell what are the GNU toolchain include in X.6?

Any sign of Blu-ray disk support in DVD player? Ability to burn them?

Any sign of other network support for iChat? MSN for example? AIM is not really used around here.

OK, one last, python version?

[Lokheed]

Guess you're not a real "Mac guy."

(The upper end of the spectrum means that Apple dominates the Premium end of the industry. Apple products are regarded as Premium products, that sell on margin, not volume. And those with more money to spend and more disposable income are choosing Macs.)

I'm a broke-ass student and I still buy Apple. I could have bought a $999 PC, but I don't see it as saving $500, I see it as wasting $999!

[grosslyclever]

Was this already released?

Where can I get it?

[OZMP]

Any sign of other network support for iChat? MSN for example? AIM is not really used around here.

see screenshot

[Mackilroy]

Was this already released?

Where can I get it?
If you're a dev you would know. :D

[akac]

Most developers don't have access to the 10.6 seeds or the new APIs, so they are stuck on figuring out how to fix their applications for Snow Leopard. That's why not all of the applications will work right out of the box. Many applications actually hardcode their applications to use specific MAC OS X versions in order to take advantage of the APIs. A lot of them could be fixed just by adding 10.6 to the list.

That's simply not true. Every developer who is a paid Apple Developer has access to the 10.6 seeds and has for awhile. Every developer who went to WWDC has the same seeds on DVD. The ones that don't have 10.6 are the ones that don't feel its important enough to pay $500 to be part of the program. Nothing wrong with that.

[akac]

Quick Look is hardly a "must-have" feature. It's a gimmick, quite honestly. It has some uses, but oftentimes it's barely any quicker than just opening an application and viewing/editing the file.


I find QuickLook indispensable now. I use it in Mail and Finder mostly, but I love it. I am constantly using it to go through pics, text files, etc.. lots of types of data. Much nicer than having 5 apps open to view the data.

My point is - it depends on the person.

[InkMaster]

Any developers have play with OpenCL and grand central yet? I was wondering what are there impression on it so far?

I was a bit deceive to see the only supported card for OpenCL, I guess I will have to upgrade my video card, ho, wait I can't I get a freaking iMac :mad:

Anybody known if the dictionary application have other language then english?

Can someone tell what are the GNU toolchain include in X.6?

Any sign of Blu-ray disk support in DVD player? Ability to burn them?

Any sign of other network support for iChat? MSN for example? AIM is not really used around here.

OK, one last, python version?

Dictionary, nope, still the standard set as in 10.5.

iChat, still no support for anything else.

Python is at 2.6.1

Blu-Ray, can't say as I don't have a BR reader/burner available.

[ventro]

Can someone post a video of the new setting in the Dock preferences for minimizing windows?

[integrat.ethis]

Yeah, jumping in here about Quick Look:

I think it's brilliant when you're cleaning out folders. Just hit the spacebar on the first file, then use the up and down arrows to navigate through the files, and cmd-delete to get rid of anything you don't want. It's seriously a joy. I love it for general use too.

Dock Expose is gonna be great too. That was the only thing that annoyed me about OS X - when there were too many windows up, my brain got muddy. Now I know there were ways to scroll through applications in expose, but it wasn't intuitive. Now, we've got basically the organizational power of the Windows taskbar with the elegance of Expose. It's gonna be perfect, honestly.

[scratchnsniff]

safari seems snappier.. no joke! i'm really liking the new minimized window behaviour in exposé it seems like they finally have a purpose

I wonder whether the improvement has to do with Safari being separated from the plugins - with the plugins now sitting as a separate process. I've been using Safari for several hours right now and the leaks and problems have pretty much all evaporated. If $30 means a more refine experience, then I think its a small price to pay for it.

[neski]

Can someone post a video of the new setting in the Dock preferences for minimizing windows?

Its a short one but i think it shows the 2 effects.
I have to say i dont like the scale one. Not that good.
Youtube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jg2nlrjTItU)

[MikhailT]

That's simply not true. Every developer who is a paid Apple Developer has access to the 10.6 seeds and has for awhile. Every developer who went to WWDC has the same seeds on DVD. The ones that don't have 10.6 are the ones that don't feel its important enough to pay $500 to be part of the program. Nothing wrong with that.

You missed my second post about this which is exactly what you said.

Not every Mac developer is an ADC member and not every ADC member will take advantage of the seeding process. I know a couple of developers who works at large development studios who has a policy in place that they are not to focus on unreleased OS release until a certain period of time after the final release and enough users are using it. There are exceptions such as that the application has to work reasonably on the new OS or it has to be fixed rapidly to get it to work on the new OS but the main coding is not done on the new OS.

The general point I was making to somebody was that they shouldn't be expecting that all applications will work out of the box in 10.6 and they shouldn't expect immediate relief while 10.6 is still in development and one of the reasons is that not every developers have access to 10.6 or its APIs yet.

[scratchnsniff]

Waiting for updated Xcode to download before I reboot, but damn I hope it works better than 10A380.

Mine disconnects my MightyMouse every couple of hours & has trouble reconnecting. What have your problems been?

If you're interested in the development side of the equation; LLVM 2.6 will be released around the same time as Snow Leopard. LLVM 2.6 is the official move over from GCC-LLVM to the Clang front end. A lot of bugs and missing features have been fixed resulting in large numbers of the FreeBSD ports compiling. C++ still lacks features but it is gradually getting there. I wouldn't be surprised if by the time 10.7 is released that we see a total switch to LLVM/Clang given the flexibility it will give Apple when it comes to integration between the toolchain and XCode IDE.

[InkMaster]

Its a short one but i think it shows the 2 effects.
I have to say i dont like the scale one. Not that good.
Youtube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jg2nlrjTItU)

Something tells me that's not what he was talking about ;) - after all those effects have been there for 4-5 years now... :p

Can someone post a video of the new setting in the Dock preferences for minimizing windows?

I assume you're talking about the 'minimize into app icon' feature?

If so, here you go: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wXRr6s4ma4s

At the moment of me making that post the video still hasn't been processed by YouTube, but I'm guessing it'll be ready in a few minutes.

[neski]

Something tells me that's not what he was talking about ;) - after all those effects have been there for 4-5 years now... :p



I assume you're talking about the 'minimize into app icon' feature?

If so, here you go: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wXRr6s4ma4s

At the moment of me making that post the video still hasn't been processed by YouTube, but I'm guessing it'll be ready in a few minutes.

hahahaah your right. my bad.well it got me to use quicktime for something and i have to say that the save for web feature is great.so easy to use.

on a side note its great that your site is back up michael.

[scratchnsniff]

Quicktime's the same =[

But here's a screenie of the expose.

Also they rename the screenshots to "Screenshot on xx:xx:xx" instead of "Picture 1"

Given all the other important things they have on their plate, I think the icon is probably the least of their worries. Quicktime Player as it stands is incredibly basic so I am wondering whether we're going to see another seed that enhances it. They still have another month left up their sleeve for further additions/improvements/etc.

[InkMaster]

on a side note its great that your site is back up michael.

Thanks alot sir, nice to see that people care :D

[gorjan]

Does anyone with a SL seed and a NAS know if

defaults write com.apple.systempreferences TMShowUnsupportedNetworkVolumes 1

still works? ;)

[Akzel]

Something tells me that's not what he was talking about ;) - after all those effects have been there for 4-5 years now... :p



I assume you're talking about the 'minimize into app icon' feature?

If so, here you go: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wXRr6s4ma4s

At the moment of me making that post the video still hasn't been processed by YouTube, but I'm guessing it'll be ready in a few minutes.

I really like this minimize into app thing, and I can't believe nobody mentioned that before!

[Henk Poley]

noticing some lag when typing....
[Cmd] seems to stick for too long sometimes. Ex: Type [Cmd]+[F] and some text, the first character of your text is seen as if the [Cmd] is still pressed.

Also, I've had two times in the past week that the trackpad stopped working for ~30 seconds.

[InkMaster]

I really like this minimize into app thing, and I can't believe nobody mentioned that before!

Well, seems like that was added only in 10A394, and that has been out for only like 2 days... :p

[slackpacker]

Can someone check out if their Spotlight (Show All) finder search has the SIZE column as well. I know I was never able to get it to show in Leopard. New undocumented feature?

Thanks for you response

[dragossh]

Can someone check out if their Spotlight (Show All) finder search has the SIZE column as well. I know I was never able to get it to show in Leopard. New undocumented feature?

Thanks for you response

You mean this?

[Chundles]

You mean this?

Oh thank god. The "Show All Results" window in Spotlight took a huge step backwards from Tiger to Leopard.

[Greenbook]

You mean this?

Have you perchance modified the Extras2.rsrc file or otherwise changed your system to get the iTunes style scroll bars?

[*LTD*]

So how usable is it as it stands now? Alright for everyday use?


Have you perchance modified the Extras2.rsrc file or otherwise changed your system to get the iTunes style scroll bars?

My question as well.

[Sky Blue]

Have you perchance modified the Extras2.rsrc file or otherwise changed your system to get the iTunes style scroll bars?

Yes, he has.

[dragossh]

So how usable is it as it stands now? Alright for everyday use?

It's very stable on my White MacBook. There are incompatibilities with some apps though (WireTap Studio, Carbonite).

[Chundles]

Does anyone have the new desktops?

[kristoffer4]

Yes, he has.

Wow that looks cool! Any skin that can make everything look like iTunes? Maybe "Marble" will show up in OS 10.7
Also information about size of files is a nice thing. :cool:

[slackpacker]

You mean this?

Yup so you got it.... ok now I have to figger out why its grayed out for me.

[auhlixer]

Just a quick question to people who are using snow leopard. Do all your applications (which I assume were designed as 32 bit) work with snow leopard? I really want to download from a torrent and try it out.

Everything works for me except CS4 :(

[*LTD*]

Everything works for me except CS4 :(

IIRC Adobe crap never relly works early on.

[InkMaster]

So how usable is it as it stands now? Alright for everyday use?

Yeah, I've been using 10A380 since day one on my primary work machine and minus a few small (deadly) bugs, it has been excellent. Updated to 10A394 the moment it came out and this is even better then the old one. Seems to be even faster and even more polished. So far everything works for me except a few apps. One of the apps that doesn't work for me is Apple Remote Desktop, so thats a shame...

Everything works for me except CS4 :(

What do you mean? All of CS4 works excellent for me - Photoshop, Illustrator, InDesign, Premiere, etc...

Does anyone have the new desktops?

Which new desktops? There are no new ones in this build. The only new ones which came out of Apple, were the Aurora ones... but those came with 10A380, so almost a month ago...

If it is those that you're talking about, I posted both the client and server versions on the first page of the following thread: http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=717534

[elppa]

IIRC Adobe crap never relly works early on.

Aruably in some cases it never really works later on either, but what can you do.

:D

[dragossh]

Yup so you got it.... ok now I have to figger out why its grayed out for me.

It's greyed out for me too, but as you can see it shows up in the column. I did a clean install of SL, maybe that's why?

Wow that looks cool! Any skin that can make everything look like iTunes? Maybe "Marble" will show up in OS 10.7
Also information about size of files is a nice thing. :cool:

iLeopard (http://littlekiwi.co.cc/page4/page4.html).

I am pretty positive that Marble is coming in 10.7. The inconsistencies in Snow Leopard's UI are ridiculous (e.g. two type of menus in the dock). By the time 10.7 shows up, I expect it to have a black UI.

[Krafty]

iLeopard.Damn, wont install on SL.