Concerns of iPhone 3GS Overheating and Discoloration Gaining Publicity

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Last week, Nowhere Else began receiving reports (http://www.nowhereelse.fr/surchauffe-iphone-3gs-21265/) [Google translation (http://translate.google.com/translate?prev=hp&hl=en&js=n&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nowhereelse.fr%2Fsurchauffe-iphone-3gs-21265%2F&sl=auto&tl=en&history_state0=)] from owners of the white iPhone 3GS that had experience significant overheating, leading in some cases to distinct pink or brown discoloration on the iPhone's back case. A later report (http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2009/06/overheating-iphones/) from Wired suggested that faulty battery cells may be the cause of the overheating and could lead to a significant recall of the affected iPhones.


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A number of reports today have pointed to an Apple support document (http://support.apple.com/kb/HT2101) providing advice on how to keep iPhones from overheating as an acknowledgement of the problem on the part of Apple. As Macworld points out (http://www.macworld.com/article/141508/2009/07/3gs_overheating.html), however, the document was originally posted many months ago, and was recently updated only to add references to the iPhone 3GS to the existing ones for the iPhone 3G. According to the Apple document, an overheating iPhone will display a warning screen and become inoperable with the exception of allowing emergency phone calls to be made. Apple also describes several situations that can lead to activation of the temperature warning screen.- Leaving the device in a car on a hot day.
- Leaving it in direct sunlight for extended amounts of time.
- Using certain applications in hot conditions or direct sunlight for long periods of time, such as GPS tracking in a car on a sunny day or listening to music while in direct sunlight.While heat is definitely a concern for any electronic device, particularly ones like the iPhone that pack a significant amount of power into a small space, Apple assures its iPhone 3G and 3GS customers that the devices do meet international safety standards for such devices. At this time, Apple has made no official response to these latest reports of overheating and discoloration on the new iPhone 3GS.

Article Link: Concerns of iPhone 3GS Overheating and Discoloration Gaining Publicity (http://www.macrumors.com/2009/07/02/concerns-of-iphone-3gs-overheating-and-discoloration-gaining-publicity/)

[djellison]

"GPS tracking in a car on a sunny day"

So no SatNav in California, for example.

Lame, Apple. Very lame.

They rushed it out again.

[Grimace]

Listening to music in the sun...

No one would ever do that! :rolleyes:

[NightCastle]

Another reason to wait until 2010.

:D

[Axl Rose]

woops..guess cant listen to music while sittin on a bench, or gps while driving..:p

[jav6454]

Umm, but this is for white iPhones only... so I won't mind. I'm going to get a black.

[synth3tik]

These are the same problems Apple has had on a lot of other products. You would think they would have gotten it by now. You would think that after the third iPhone they would have gotten it.

[BornAgainMac]

Heat? Wow, they even have an App for that.

[almost30boohoo1]

That discolouration... is terrible!

I think white, and black plastic looks tacky. The only thing worse is glossy black!
I wonder if the black version will do the same thing over time, with a greyish discolouration.

[DocStone]

Umm, but this is for white iPhones only... so I won't mind. I'm going to get a black.

You racist! (just kidding by the way...hahaha)

[windywoo]

Its not heat, the iPhone is blushing from all the naughty naked bodies on it.

[mrkgoo]

Umm, but this is for white iPhones only... so I won't mind. I'm going to get a black.

I'm guess it affects them just the same, only it's harder to tell, crashes and errors aside.

[iOrlando]

meh put your hand on an apple tv...that thing is burning all the time...

this isnt news....

[zacman]

Who would drive a car on a sunny day anyways? :eek:

[manu chao]

"GPS tracking in a car on a sunny day"

So no SatNav in California, for example.

Lame, Apple. Very lame.

They rushed it out again.
The iPhone's primary purpose is certainly not be used as a dash-mounted GPS navigation device. Or would you say that any smartphone that cannot be used as a dash-mounted navigation device is not a viable product?

[ryhno45]

Talking to someone late last night for about 45 mins. I noticed the phone was getting very warm, so I ended the call and took off the phone.

My house was about in 65-67's, so it was pretty cold.

I do not notice any discolorations though.

[iOrlando]

Talking to someone late last night for about 45 mins. I noticed the phone was getting very warm, so I ended the call and took off the phone.

My house was about in 65-67's, so it was pretty cold.

I do not notice any discolorations though.

my samsung gets high after a half hour call as well..

the phone will be hot...thats to be expected..

hot to the point of not picking it up = not to be expected.

[slipper]

The iPhone's primary purpose is certainly not be used as a dash-mounted GPS navigation device. Or would you say that any smartphone that cannot be used as a dash-mounted navigation device is not a viable product?

The phone is designed with GPS and ATT sells their GPS service. Its not viable for Apple to avoid and not acknowledge this specific problem.

[dwsolberg]

That's an interesting pattern of discoloration. I wonder if it provides some clue as to what's happening. For example, does the battery touch the case in those places? Also, is there some way this might be color transfer from a case? I've only seen two pictures so far, so it could be something simple like that.

For what it's worth, I know about four people with new iPhone 3GS's, and no one has experienced any excess heat.

[Eidorian]

Too many features for such a small device to push. Now faster!

[jav6454]

You racist! (just kidding by the way...hahaha)

You have to actually put more feeling into it, like so:

YOU racist bastard!:D:D

[rezonat0r]

Have had two 32GB Black 3GS models, both run at room temp (approx 80F room temp)

[swagi]

Listening to music in the sun...

No one would ever do that! :rolleyes:

I don't know about you, but I very rarely expose the music playing device to direct sunlight.

Just a nostalgic habit - you could kill your tapes with direct sunlight back in the days, you know :D

[zengod]

Possibly Good news - I got a white one because that was all was in the store at 32Gb but I am starting to regret not sticking with black - If it turns pink it's going back and I'll get a black one.

[Eidorian]

I don't know about you, but I very rarely expose the music playing device to direct sunlight.

Just a nostalgic habit - you could kill your tapes with direct sunlight back in the days, you know :DMolten cassettes does take me back.

My friend had his iPhone out buy the pool and got a heat warning message. I guess the sun in Illinois is just too much. :rolleyes:

[TheCheapGeek]

I have had the 3gs since launch and have had no heat problems at all, and I live in south Texas. I have used gps while listening to music outdoors and had no more heat than with any other iphone. I think its an isolated issue.

[z4n3]

Why don`t they just bring out a UB Aluminium version!!! plastic is SOOOOOO 80`s :D

[djpaetkau]

I could care less if the case is turning red, as long as it isn't affecting iPhone performance... if they recall them, I'll gladly take one, as you can't buy them any other way in Canada! All 3GS models are sold out across the country with no sign of more shipments anytime soon according to a Rogers rep... that may be an overstatement but for sure they're right in my area, I've called all the stores to check for myself.

[daneoni]

Another reason to wait until 2010.

:D

With Apple's track record...i wouldn't be surprised if iPhone 4 had it's own set of issues

[DocStone]

I have had the 3gs since launch and have had no heat problems at all, and I live in south Texas. I have used gps while listening to music outdoors and had no more heat than with any other iphone. I think its an isolated issue.

Cool. I am from South Texas. (Corpus Christi) Where about Geek?

[pango1in]

Just you wait.

Imagine this - TomTom application in the car on the TomTom mount.

iPhone would likely be on 100% cpu when running, while charging, in the sun of a car windscreen.

Recipe for disaster!!!!!!!

[moka]

looks like the iphone is blushing! :D you guys do realize that there hasn't been another incident regarding this issue right? could most probably be a faulty device, i mean my 32GB white 3gs gets warms, but no were close to me having to worry about it when using the video camera/gps/3g

[derek1984]

Hopefully this has something to do with the battery and there will be a recall to replace it. The battery life on the 3GS sucks.

[z4n3]

Why don`t they just bring out a UB Aluminium version!!! plastic is SOOOOOO 80`s :D


Found the solution!!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zUc6znC848o
:D

[iOrlando]

can we get confirmation from people in south beach florida that their iphones are not exploding in their faces from the heat?

[BMac702]

Damnit. I was going to get a white 3GS but i live in Las Vegas:( It was 114 degrees yesterday. Guess no white iPhone for me

[DoubleU]

I used various 3G HTC smartphones for several years before I got my first iPhone and I took it for granted that smartphones overheated.

[billchase2]

So if this happens with the black iPhone, we won't be able to tell.... that can't be good.

[iphones4evry1]

Common sense

Computers have cooling fans. iPhones don't. As phone processors become faster and faster, consumers will have to use common sense to keep them from overheating. Common sense like, if it is on your black car seat in direct sunlight using GPS on a 90 degree day, maybe you should remove the carrying case and check th temp of your phone every 5 minutes, or better yet keep it out of direct sunlight by tossing your white tshirt over it when you aren't looking at it, and maybe turn it off for a few minutes if you notice it getting too hot. Yes people, YOU are going to have to use common sense.

Note to Apple: this message should be on the FRONT cover of the iPhone user manual.

I never let my iPhone sit in direct sunlight. Never.

[RITmusic2k]

Why don`t they just bring out a UB Aluminium version!!! plastic is SOOOOOO 80`s :D

Just as soon as they invent RF-transparent aluminum, we'll be good to go.

[dubhe]

No worries for us in the UK, we have almost used up our allocation of Summer for this year :D

[LEOPARDIZE]

I have had my new iphone 3GS since the first day they came out and as usual I was using it today, in Glasgow when all of a sudden after turning it off while getting on a bus and then trying to turn it on again 20 minutes later, there was no response, obviously I am very worried. I know I am talking about Glasgow, Scotland here but it was very warm today it seems the iphone can not handle a bit of hot weather.

[iAlexG]

Big issue for me. I was going to get one for GPS use as well as being my ipod and phone

[windywoo]

Computers have cooling fans. iPhones don't. As phone processors become faster and faster, consumers will have to use common sense to keep them from overheating. Common sense like, if it is on your black car seat in direct sunlight using GPS on a 90 degree day, maybe you should remove the carrying case and check th temp of your phon every 5 minutes, or better yet keep I out of direct sunlight by tossing your white tshirt over it when you aren't looking at it, and maybe turn it off for a few minutes if you notice it getting too hot. Yes people, YOU are goin to have to use common sense.

Its not common sense, since no other phone requires this. How is the average user to guess that their phone needs more cooling than normal. If it did, Apple should have a warning on the box, "Warning, hotter than usual".

*Edit* Whoops you changed your post after I quoted.

[phatcat]

Interestingly many white iPhones are out of stock on apple's website

[Fuchal]

my samsung gets high after a half hour call as well..


So that's why I always detect a whiff of weed after talking to my GF for an hour.

[iphones4evry1]

Just you wait.

Imagine this - TomTom application in the car on the TomTom mount.

iPhone would likely be on 100% cpu when running, while charging, in the sun of a car windscreen.

Recipe for disaster!!!!!!!

Perhaps the TomTom mount could plug ino your cigarette lighter an have fans and circulate water cooling through the part that is in contact with the back of the phone. :D

Note to everyone: CPU performance depends on temp. Thy is why I keep my phone out of direct sunlight all the time (unless I'm just lookin at it quickly). Did you know that if you put your iPhone in the refrigerator (not the freezer), then take it out and use it, the CPU is faster? :)

[hashtlt]

So I'm in LA traffic, what else am I going to do but get on my phone excessively, I had been on it earlier but just using Bluetooth jabbering away with a friend. Sometimes I will put the phone on the dash to try and get better reception if I'm getting dropping sounds. So yes the phone was hot. Anyway I was using it for gps and all of a sudden it stopped working and restarted itself. On the screen was a message to reconnect to iTunes. Now I'm bummed out because no matter how many times I resarted it or took the sim out then restart it nothing worked, you realize how much u use it when u can't. So straight to an Apple store and they were going to erase it with iTunes but it gave a error 23 code. Immediately they pulled out a replacement and away I went. Definately the heat did it.

[xIGmanIx]

another good article from iPhonerumors.com. i wish all this Mac stuff would go to its rightful place on page 2 to make way for more iPhone articles.

[iphones4evry1]

I just experienced a problem with OS 3.0. I've been posting onthis thread from my iPhone. Before 3.0, you could touch a text box with two fingers and move up or down to scroll up or down. Now, copy and paste interferes. I literally could not go back and edit my post abov because I could not scroll.

[hierobryan]

woops..guess cant listen to music while sittin on a bench, or gps while driving..:p

Solutions:

1. pull out your iphone to switch tracks then put it back in your pocket.
2. don't use your iphone's GPS near a window where the sun can hit it.

[fun173]

the black could be doing this too but maybe its too hard to notice any color change because its black

[*LTD*]

Apple is responding to FUD. Plain and simple. They're addressing this issue because it's deliberately being blown out of proportion and the last thing they want is defamatory garbage being spread about a device they just released. It's damage-control they shouldn't have to do in the first place. And even the support article from Apple is being misunderstood completely (often deliberately, it would seem.)

Who would stand to benefit if some "iPhone problem" could be successfully ginned up in the press? Even one as far-fetched as Apple failing to do elementary product research? Apple knows all about thermal dissipation in small handheld devices, people. It's just a mistake that's very unlikely to have been made by Apple. Maybe, just maybe, besides being overblown, it's being planted by someone or some group for some reason? Follow the money. Apple's in the process of rearranging entire industries; some of the old guard have nothing left but FUD.

We've seen this same last ditch attempt being deployed with the last several iPod and iPhone models and there are plenty of users who aren't complaining about any problem at all, much less "overheating."

[LEOPARDIZE]

My phone is totally dead, a trip to the Apple Store in Glasgow will be my first call tomorrow morning. If they replace the phone should I then ask for a black one instead of the white one that is dead. I would have thought black would have more problems with heat than the white.
What happens with all the info I have put on my white phone?
It does concern me that I have taken out the £35 a month contract with o2 on a phone that I use outside more than inside, am I screwed?

[vics43]

Note also that while plugged in and charging (ie., via a car charger or wall plug) AND you have an App like Maps running, the iPhone CAN get extremely hot by virtue of the Battery being charged AND you are using power basically as fast as your charging it and that produces H-E-A-T... !

[*LTD*]

My phone is totally dead, a trip to the Apple Store in Glasgow will be my first call tomorrow morning. If they replace the phone should I then ask for a black one instead of the white one that is dead. I would have thought black would have more problems with heat than the white.
What happens with all the info I have put on my white phone?
It does concern me that I have taken out the £35 a month contract with o2 on a phone that I use outside more than inside, am I screwed?

You're only screwed when circumstances say you are.

You're under warranty, take the dead unit back and get a new one.

Don't believe all this FUD garbage until it happens to YOU! Besides, you're under warranty either way.

[Mr. Zorg]

Note also that while plugged in and charging (ie., via a car charger or wall plug) AND you have an App like Maps running, the iPhone CAN get extremely hot by virtue of the Battery being charged AND you are using power basically as fast as your charging it and that produces H-E-A-T... !
Ya know, I've never noticed that. In fact, my iPhone is always COLD after using it in the car. Of course, I use a vent-mount kit so the AC is always blowing directly on the back of it. I *knew* there was a reason I did that! LOL

[jontucker]

Big issue for me. I was going to get one for GPS use as well as being my ipod and phone

It doesn't take a Genius to work out that if you are in a car that's too hot for the iPhone then it will more than likely be too hot for you too and you are quite likely to have the AC (or fan, if you people are still driving cars without AC) on.

As above, just mount the iPhone near one of the vents and your problem is solved.

[Mattie Num Nums]

Apple is responding to FUD. Plain and simple. They're addressing this issue because it's deliberately being blown out of proportion and the last thing they want is defamatory garbage being spread about a device they just released. It's damage-control they shouldn't have to do in the first place. And even the support article from Apple is being misunderstood completely (often deliberately, it would seem.)

Who would stand to benefit if some "iPhone problem" could be successfully ginned up in the press? Even one as far-fetched as Apple failing to do elementary product research? Apple knows all about thermal dissipation in small handheld devices, people. It's just a mistake that's very unlikely to have been made by Apple. Maybe, just maybe, besides being overblown, it's being planted by someone or some group for some reason? Follow the money. Apple's in the process of rearranging entire industries; some of the old guard have nothing left but FUD.

We've seen this same last ditch attempt being deployed with the last several iPod and iPhone models and there are plenty of users who aren't complaining about any problem at all, much less "overheating."

Will you ever acknowledge that Apple is not perfect.

[*LTD*]

It doesn't take a Genius to work out that if you are in a car that's too hot for the iPhone then it will more than likely be too hot for you too and you are quite likely to have the AC (or fan, if you people are still driving cars without AC) on.

As above, just mount the iPhone near one of the vents and your problem is solved.

Indeed.

The support article acually sepcifies perfectly normal operating temeperature ranges for ANY such device.

[kas23]

Indeed.

The support article acually sepcifies perfectly normal operating temeperature ranges for ANY such device.

Yes, why not just tape a cold pack on the back?

People should be able to just use common sense only when using their cellphone. You shouldn't have to include extra steps to ensure a functional phone when you are using it fairly and rationally. And it's not really abusive to listen to music/tun GPS on hot day while your iPhone is plugged into a charger. My iPhone 3G can accomplish these tasks without breaking a sweat. Without making excuses for Apple, I feel bad for these people.

I just experienced a problem with OS 3.0. I've been posting onthis thread from my iPhone. Before 3.0, you could touch a text box with two fingers and move up or down to scroll up or down. Now, copy and paste interferes. I literally could not go back and edit my post abov because I could not scroll.

I agree, this is particularly annoying, but I get by.

[ryanw]

These are the same problems Apple has had on a lot of other products. You would think they would have gotten it by now. You would think that after the third iPhone they would have gotten it.

This is a perfect example of how them trying to be so 'secretive' can actually blow up on them. If they didn't thrive on being so secretive, they might actually put these in some people's hands in real world use cases before making 2+ million units and then have to work out the bugs later.

I'm not sure which I like better. Microsoft's never ending empty promises or Apple's fear to only show and talk about the products as they are available. The more I think about it, Microsoft is a double edged sword. They talk about it and get hype on stuff coming out, and then they fail far short on actually delivery. But they're always talking about the next phase and how it will fix everything, so people never really ever focus on the current situation. With Microsoft it's always POA (point of arrival), with Apple at least you can evaluate the products that are available "as is", and it's tangible.

[SFStateStudent]

Yup, discoloration from overheating caused me to "bring it back" and exchange my white 3GS 32GB for a black 3GS 32GB, without a squabble. The heating up seemed most prevalent during use of Maps and playing videos; much hotter than my 3G iPhone, and it seemed like I lit a lighter up in my pocket after use. Every major news station carried the overheating and discoloration story, so I had a little backup before I walked into the Apple Store...:eek::eek::eek:

Are all of you suggesting that I get a fan or cooling tool like I used for my MBAir??? Just to be perfectly clear, I had my iPhone on my pant leg and in my hand, definitely w/o direct sunlight on the iPhone whatsoever....

[pellets007]

Do they issue a new product for such an event?

[ipedro]

The minute I saw the 3GS, I knew this wasn't it and I'd be waiting for the real next gen iPhone.

This is the equivalent of a Macbook's bump up in specs just a few months before the unibody Macbook's came out.

Plastic doesn't deal with the heat being generated by the much superior performing chipset in the 3GS.

I believe the next iPhone will adhere to Apple's Aluminum + Glass green philosophy and see the iPhone return to a metal enclosure which dissipates heat much more efficiently.

I'd say the 3GS is here until September when the new iPods are released and a true iPhone Pro replaces the 3GS.

[chickenninja]

this reminds me of when i overclocked my palm m130 and put little ram heatsinks in it to keep it cool. these hot iphones are economic stimulus, as there is now a market for cases that cool your phone and cars with a dashmounted AC vent for electronics. You all just wait your going to love your new hand warmer come winter. Its the solution to not being able to use gloves with the touch screen. apples done it again :)

[realgenius]

Why are people trading in the white for black?

Keep the white one-- when it overheats and discolors you can easily take it back and get a new one because the damage is obvious.

[TwinCities Dan]

The new iPhone, now available only in black! ;) :p

[Mattie Num Nums]

You buy an $700 dollar phone you expect it to do the things it says it can. MMS, Tethering, GPS in your Car, be an iPod. This is just another example of Apple setting APPLE guidelines, not realistic ones (like them with there base 10 counting and Helvetica font hostage taking.) Normal operating temperature for a device is expected but it needs to be written out for people who live in areas where the weather isn't within Apple's Northern California always 65 and cloudy temperature.

As for the Black or White issue and people saying I am ok because my phones black. Doesn't it worry you that discoloration of the white phones is the by product of a potential design flaw that you too may have?

[chaosconan]

Should have stayed with black. Black is always a safe color.

[z4n3]

Just as soon as they invent RF-transparent aluminum, we'll be good to go.

Small problem to fix then!! :p I am sure :apple: are on to this!! :D

[FearNo1]

Hmm.. how long before the product recall? Oh my :eek:

[aristotle]

Talking to someone late last night for about 45 mins. I noticed the phone was getting very warm, so I ended the call and took off the phone.

My house was about in 65-67's, so it was pretty cold.

I do not notice any discolorations though.
You took off the phone? Was it in your car plugged into a car charger? The battery was probably discharging and recharging. You will wear out the battery quicker doing that.

Guys, this sounds like it is battery related where people are keeping the phone connected via USB to a charger of some kind and using it at the same time. This will lead to the battery heating up as you are drawing more power than USB can supply at peak moments and then constantly recharging the battery when the power is drained.

A lot of people noticed heating and battery drain while using Netshare on a 3G running iPhone 2.0 and this was happening because the iphone was streaming data via WiFi while pulling data from 3G and the power consumed was higher than the output of USB so the battery would constantly drain and then recharge.

[DELLsFan]

SMOKIN'!!!

:D

With apologies to Jim Carey.

[rick98761]

sweet, I hope there is a recall in a few months. Wouldn't mind a brand new phone. Thats why I love the case crack problem.

[chocolate632]

looks like the iphone is blushing! :D you guys do realize that there hasn't been another incident regarding this issue right? could most probably be a faulty device, i mean my 32GB white 3gs gets warms, but no were close to me having to worry about it when using the video camera/gps/3g

This is the only incident? WTF am i worried about then?

[Drag'nGT]

That didn't just get hot... it had to be scorching! Hot white plastic in a case may take on the die from the leather or something. I've had new belts do that with jeans.

[germanjulian]

yawn
4% or so of owners have slightly faulty batteries that heat up to much is my guess.

same as faulty laptop batteries or any other device.

my nokia e65 got nice and warm after 10 minutes calling somebody... its normal and I think this whole thing is blown out of proportion :p

[Tonezorz]

Palm Centros get darn hot as well.

[tuhoops]

yawn
4% or so of owners have slightly faulty batteries that heat up to much is my guess.

same as faulty laptop batteries or any other device.

my nokia e65 got nice and warm after 10 minutes calling somebody... its normal and I think this whole thing is blown out of proportion :p

Could be...but as others have said, the phone getting a bit hot is to be expected and acceptable. The phone getting so hot that you can't pick it up is not acceptable.

[branjosef]

Common sense

Computers have cooling fans. iPhones don't. As phone processors become faster and faster, consumers will have to use common sense to keep them from overheating. Common sense like, if it is on your black car seat in direct sunlight using GPS on a 90 degree day, maybe you should remove the carrying case and check th temp of your phone every 5 minutes, or better yet keep it out of direct sunlight by tossing your white tshirt over it when you aren't looking at it, and maybe turn it off for a few minutes if you notice it getting too hot. Yes people, YOU are going to have to use common sense.

Note to Apple: this message should be on the FRONT cover of the iPhone user manual.

I never let my iPhone sit in direct sunlight. Never.


Bring on the liquid cooled iphone cases!!!


I personally place my iphone in a cooler anytime I leave the house. Just like my beer and women. Its always better cold.

[NikkinKenshin]

Dude this sucks what is going with :apple: they need to fix this. I really wanted a white one because I have a white ipod, but I guess I have to wait until they fix it or get a black one.

[chaosconan]

When is apple going to introduce the rainbow colored iphones.
red, green, blue, yellow, orange, purple and so forth :)

[branjosef]

When is apple going to introduce the rainbow colored iphones.
red, green, blue, yellow, orange, purple and so forth :)

Once gay marriage is legal in all 50 states. Steve's holding out like Ellen.

[Master Chief]

Whatever it is, it needs to be addresses and fixed a.s.a.p – my 3G is running hotter (checked with a Fluke) and it needs quite a bit more juice these days. Not to mention the 3GS while using in car GPS.

I am also testing a new nav app – soon to be released in the app store – and it makes me wonder about Apple's claims about battery life, because with GPS enabled applications it simply ..... let's just say that a solar panel to charge the battery isn't that bad after all when you go hiking.

And people wondering why TomTom didn't release the app already, might want to read this particular piece of text:

" * Using certain applications in hot conditions or direct sunlight for long periods of time, such as GPS tracking in a car on a sunny day or listening to music while in direct sunlight."

Right. One big disappointment.

[iPhoneFreak17]

Oh mannnn...I was planning on getting the white one but this is gonna make me think twice about getting it...I hope they fix this shitt

[bruinsrme]

Will you ever acknowledge that Apple is not perfect.

From the sound of the post, it seems to be the end user that needs to learn how to use apple products properly

[cleric]

LOL RUN AND BUY A PRE!!!

This is blown way out of proportion.

[manhattanboy]

thankfully I haven't bought one yet and may now wait until next year

[chaosconan]

Well,
you wanted a faster iphone
you wanted a thinner iphone
you wanted a brighter iphone
you wanted a meaner iphone
and you wanted a hotter iphone

so, whats with all these complaints, you got exactly what you were asking for :confused:

[JoshBoy]

I have owned the 2G iphone, the 3G iphone and now the 3GS, I love the speed of the 3GS but I think they should have gone back to an aluminum case like the 2G, this also fits in with their laptops, imacs, appleTV and Mac Mini. I would love to know why they have not considered doing this? Is it cost? why not bring out a super high end aluminum iphone?? I need to start working at apple to show them common sense i think :)

[Mr. Giver '94]

I have owned the 2G iphone, the 3G iphone and now the 3GS, I love the speed of the 3GS but I think they should have gone back to an aluminum case like the 2G, this also fits in with their laptops, imacs, appleTV and Mac Mini. I would love to know why they have not considered doing this? Is it cost? why not bring out a super high end aluminum iphone?? I need to start working at apple to show them common sense i think :)

I partially agree, but the issue with all aluminum is that it interferes with cell signal.


I was also wanting to get a white one. I'll still be getting a white one as long as I can exchange it whenever it starts to turn pink. :p

[rw3]

The phone is designed with GPS and ATT sells their GPS service. Its not viable for Apple to avoid and not acknowledge this specific problem.

I disagree. I have used the iPhone as such numerous times.....twice from LA to Dallas and once from Austin to Baltimore just as examples...20+ hours as my GPS and it was fine, never got so hot you couldn't touch it, that's for sure.

[xanadu1988]

this looks a lot like what happened to my 2G, except on mine it was the LCD and it turned orange. Gives me a good reason to upgrade though

[bruinsrme]

Well,
you wanted a faster iphone mine gets a lttle warm in standby
you wanted a thinner iphone thinner than previous iphones?
you wanted a brighter iphone was the 3Gs advertised as brighter?
you wanted a meaner iphone
and you wanted a hotter iphone chicks definitely dig it :eek:

so, whats with all these complaints, you got exactly what you were asking for :confused:

My 3G is running a little warmer with 3.0 than 2.2.1, battery life with 3.0 has decreased. I am wondering if its something with the OS more so than the physical hardware.

[dark-saito]

Am i missing something? I plan on getting a white iPhone, was a tad concerned when i saw this until i noticed something very important...

THIS IS THE ONLY PICTURE SEEN OF THE INCIDENT.

Granted, that alone does not mean it is THE ONLY INCIDENT. But it DOES mean that the incidents are so few and scarce that there is only one photo.

Stop being paranoid, as I'm sure if this affects you're iPhone it falls under warranty.

KTHNXBAI :D

[chaosconan]

My 3G is running a little warmer with 3.0 than 2.2.1, battery life with 3.0 has decreased. I am wondering if its something with the OS more so than the physical hardware.

Maybe its that push notification technology running in the background ;)
OS 3 running on my iPod Touch with 32GB works great except for some apps that no longer launches. :)
I have emailed the authors for an update but still waiting!!! :mad:
The battery life has not changed with iPod Touch. It's just as before.

[impulse462]

When I was in DC, my cousin and I used the maps app to locate different food restaurants. during that time my 3gs (32gb black), got extremely hot to the touch each time i used the maps application and twice it was at night.

While browsing over wi-fi or 3g, the back of the phone gets pretty hot but nothing near when it was running maps...if i were to take it to the apple store could I get it replaced with a new one? is that even worth doing as 2 of my other friends 3gs's both get pretty hot while browsing on safari.


interestingly enough, playing doom for 4 hours with music playing only caused the phone to get warm-was a lot cooler than browsing and the gps for that matter.

[chaosconan]

I have a solution to solve all the problems of the iphone battery life!

"mini petrol engine"

Run's on petrol (gas) for 2 years without refilling. And run as many apps in the background you want.

Problem SOLVED!!!

Now only if Apple integrates this engine into the next iPhone and iPod Touch and wins the many lawsuits that will come from the environmentalists who will come down on apple's throat and go against Al Gore who will oppose this technology.

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/article80219.ece

[dnguyen]

oh thats pretty cool

[chaosconan]

I would love to supercharge my iPod Touch with this micro gas-turbine engine.

Please Apple show use that you're still the leader and introduce the first hand held device that's powered by a micro gas engine.

And it spew way less greenhouse gas than your pets.

And when your iphone is in sleep mode the engine just idles. :)

http://web.mit.edu/newsoffice/2006/microengines.html

[Airforcekid]

We can declare it the HOT phone of the summer pre still got nothin. It will be a good hand warmer in the winter though a hidden feature of 3GS and 3.0! :apple:

[chaosconan]

I'm surprised with all those weird patents that Apple has been registering for years why have they not put one for an alternative battery source like a micro petrol and gas engines.

Maybe Apple is losing the touch or the patent team needs to work harder!!!

[Airforcekid]

Why don`t they just bring out a UB Aluminium version!!! plastic is SOOOOOO 80`s :D

Aluminum is 60's and 70's we need some GEL case that would be sweet or lets go 19th century wood case like the first mac think a wood case wood be very very solid with no scratches!

[i.mac]

1. know the 3gs gets hot
2. 3gs gets hot, 3gs gets brown
3. 3gs on the sun all day, not like, gets brown
4. 3gs gets brown, get cover, 3gs not brown again
5. cover 3gs, not brown + not break when hit the floor when 3gs hot
6. not whine when 3gs gets hot if g3s has cover
7. 3gs has cover, 3gs not hot, good 3gs, who cares 3gs is brown

[teknishn]

You know, this whole story is spreading like wild fire, no pun.... and its really starting to piss me right off.

We have one person posting 1-2 photos on the Internet, and now we have widespread intrawebnet hysteria with some sites even saying things like "full recall" now. WTF?!?!?!?! What has this damn world come to?

The iphone is a ridiculously well engineered high quality product, but its no different than any consumer electronics in the end. There will be and always has been failures folks. Why do you think both Apple and ATT have lowered cost refurb programs for them.

Seriously, lets stop all the arm waving over one dudes browned up 3GS which he probably got replaced for free and just enjoy our new phones. I know I am.... great GD phone.

[chaosconan]

There is nothing wrong with the iPhone 3GS.
Yes, limited number of iphones are having problems but soon they'll release a patch to fix them like they did with macbooks and so forth.
Just wait and see.

Even if they release a patch to slow it down to reduce heat it's still faster than anything out there.

[chrismac00]

I have a problem. I have a black iPhone 3GS (32GB). I took it to an amusement park two days ago. It was very hot, about 100 degrees. I had it with a case on and I kept it in my backpack that I was carrying around. I took it out periodically and one time that I took it out, I found the weird message, that said it was too hot and it needed to cool down. I put it back into my backpack and took it out when I left the park. My backpack didn't come into contact with anything, especially water, and I didn't drop it. When I got home, I saw little dents that were scattered across the back of my iPhone. I first thought they were on the case but they weren't it was on my phone. They are hard to see from far away but in close range you can see them. They are like little dents. Has anyone experienced this? I think it has to do with the heat, but I'm not 100% sure.

[i.mac]

...
why not bring out a super high end aluminum iphone?? I need to start working at apple to show them common sense i think :)

You go joshboy... show Apple how to do things. I am sure that you have the missing link.

[kernkraft]

I have a solution to solve all the problems of the iphone battery life!

"mini petrol engine"

Run's on petrol (gas) for 2 years without refilling. And run as many apps in the background you want.

Problem SOLVED!!!

Now only if Apple integrates this engine into the next iPhone and iPod Touch and wins the many lawsuits that will come from the environmentalists who will come down on apple's throat and go against Al Gore who will oppose this technology.


http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/article80219.ece


Hmmm...
Device with no overheating and promo picture with dirty fingernails -yep, that's definitely not Apple.

This whole affair is so typical of them. I've had a white 'CrackBook', it was running hot all the time and noisy. As mine was the 2nd generation, discolouration was not an issue. When the unibody MacBooks came out, I was not so wise, so I bought a first-gen Apple product. Big mistake! The display got upgraded, Firewire came back and the battery is now better. Of course, apart from the misaligned keys, I have to put up with constant fan noise, CPU whine and clicking HDD. Oh, and it's running hot, so the battery runtime is not very good either. On my girlfriend's MB Pro, the NVIDIA card is faulty - Apple actually admitted that problem.

Then you have the iPhone cracking problem from day 1...

WHEN WILL APPLE TAKE THE TIME TO TEST A PRODUCT PROPERLY, BEFORE RELEASE?! The profound clash between advertisements and reality is pathetic.

I've had five or six Apple computers in the last few years and I've always felt that they were just prototypes. This is especially true about the unibody MacBook - shame on Apple, releasing a fancy advert that focuses on finish, then providing me with this crap! I am looking forward to the day when we can have OS X or something newer on any hardware, we want. Or at least, on more than one manufacturer's offerings. It's awful being overcharged all the time for the privilege of owning the software.

[chaosconan]

They are like little dents.

Sounds like little termites been nibbling on your iPhone. :rolleyes:

[jayducharme]

Perhaps the TomTom mount could plug ino your cigarette lighter an have fans and circulate water cooling through the part that is in contact with the back of the phone. :D


I have a Belkin mount in my car and I use the GPS feature frequently. Fortunately, the mount place my iPhone directly in front of the air vent. On hot days I have the air conditioner on, and my iPhone stays nice and cool. But even though it's in the charger, the battery usually gets drained down to 20% after about an hour. But at least it's cool. :rolleyes:

[chaosconan]

Heating problems...
Battery problems...

And Apple's thinking of going multi-core :confused:

http://www.macrumors.com/2009/06/16/multi-core-arm-iphone-chips-due-in-2010/

[RAGING DEMON]

I Have The White 16 Gig Iphone 3gs, And I Have To Say I Get A Burninng Sensation In My Palm , I Dont Know If Its The Hot Weather Im Getting In London (no Joke), But It Seriously Feels Like Its Burning From Within!that With A Case On Aswell!

[oyebto]

hottest news of the 3GS so far? :o

[chaosconan]

Don't worry. Give it one week and they'll come out with a patch to reduce the overheating problem. My guess is that they're going to throttle it down.

:rolleyes:

And if you jailbreak your phone you'll have an option to overclock your iPhone to its fullest (for those that don't care about overheating or have some sort of exotic heat sink on it)

[cisco1138]

I think I will take advantage of this new find and create an iPhone App. I think I shall call it Coffee Cup Warmer!;)

[Next OS]

Its a phone and a mini computer in the palm of your hand. If you ask me it is a pretty awesome little device taking into consideration all the things it can do. Yes it isn't perfect but what is? The variables are endless when it comes to being able to test for all combinations and areas of use. At some point, you gotta say this is good enough for this particular release and move on. If you don't you will never release anything at all. This isn't the last iPhone model to be released so I look forward to future ranting about the inevitable. :cool:

[chaosconan]

I think I will take advantage of this new find and create an iPhone App. I think I shall call it Coffee Cup Warmer!;)

Make sure to put instructions on it like showing a picture of a coffee being placed on top of the iphone and a meter that tells you when your coffee is hot and ready for drinking :D

[mdntcallr]

it's all because of the cheap Chinese plastics.

Sorry Apple, but maybe you can make these in the good ole USA or maybe someplace closer instead. you know... somewhere that doesn't jail people for asking for democracy, tons of toxic waste and... have poisonous baby formula.

[RAGING DEMON]

it's all because of the cheap Chinese plastics.

Sorry Apple, but maybe you can make these in the good ole USA or maybe someplace closer instead. you know... somewhere that doesn't jail people for asking for democracy, tons of toxic waste and... have poisonous baby formula.

OR KEEP GETTING IT FROM CHINA AND GET A HIGHER PROFIT MARGIN!!!!

[obeygiant]

Its times like this that I feel good for not being an early adopter anymore. :) I'll just wait a while until they fix the problem before I upgrade.. wahoo!

[alphaod]

If the iPhone had a user-replaceable battery wouldn't it be so much easier? :rolleyes:

[iMoody]

Apple = money hungry.. They don't care about their devices anymore..

[sellitom]

put a case on it, fan boys.

[colonels1020]

- Leaving the device in a car on a hot day.
- Leaving it in direct sunlight for extended amounts of time.
- Using certain applications in hot conditions or direct sunlight for long periods of time, such as GPS tracking in a car on a sunny day or listening to music while in direct sunlight.
Solution: Only use your iPhone at night! :D

[aristotle]

If the 3GS has sold over 1 million units and we have only heard of a handful of cases, what percentage of units is that? Think about it for a minute.
;)
A recall would require how many defective units? At 10%, that would be 100,000 units but we have yet to hear of 100 cases let alone in the thousands.


@ chrismac00: How many smart devices (PDA's Smart phones) have you owned in the past? What was going through your mind when the phone gave an error message that it was too hot and you thought it would be a good idea to leave it turned on and to put it back into your backpack on a 100 F day?
:confused:
Did you think that it would magically cool down in the bag while still turned on?

[aristotle]

If the iPhone had a user-replaceable battery wouldn't it be so much easier? :rolleyes:
No, because it would still overheat. Every battery will overheat when it is either above optimal ambient operating temperature or being constantly discharged and charged which is what happens if you use GPS and hands free in a car while plugged into the car. Your phone draws more power than the USB cable can supply so it draws from the battery and then USB recharges when the peak usage subsides.

[oneEG6]

I love how people are saying it's an "overheating problem"... such BS. Yes, it gets hot with use. It has 3 powerful antennas in it, if they're on and you're using it those antennas are going to heat up, and so will the battery. Playing a game, especially a networked one mine will get very warm. I have never gotten any error messages or anything, it just gets warm. It's a 32GB white and I have no discoloration or other BS. I use mine all day every day for work and play.

BTW, people recommending a case... a case is just going to help trap the heat in, if you're actually worried about the iPhone "overheating". If you're worried about burning your precious hands... well I guess that would help, but no one is going to suffer burns from an iPhone.

1 or 2 people post pictures saying their iPhone is overheating and discoloring and dozens more (most not owning the actual iPhone) jump on add more BS to the pile. Welcome to the real world, where nothing is perfect and yes, a phone will warm up with use.

Not that I need to qualify myself or anything... but I am a technician who welcomes a debate about this.

[batchtaster]

Cool. New iPhone 3G[s] (PRODUCT) PINK™ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Product_Red), with revolutionary Phased Color Evolution™ technology.

(aka HyperColor (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypercolor) iPhone.)

[WickedRabbit]

Heating problems...
Battery problems...

And Apple's thinking of going multi-core :confused:

http://www.macrumors.com/2009/06/16/multi-core-arm-iphone-chips-due-in-2010/

I'm not really surprised by the over heating issues - in fact, it was almost somewhat expected. Apple crammed a new processor, new graphics chip, more ram and other things in the SAME case as the other devices. In other words, they didn't even attempt to test the case for heating issues with the new components. No matter how you slice it, Apple skipped proper testing almost entirely this time around and I'm sure once someone gets burned they'll issue a recall.

In regards to people saying "one person posts pictures and all of a sudden it's widespread" (you know who you are) you have to keep in mind that people are retarded and most people would never submit a story online. However, try calling AT&T customer service (as I did) and I the response I got was "yes, we're aware of that issue"... so that tells you that plenty of people have called about the problem. Just because everyone doesn't have a website doesn't mean it's not widespread.

Beyond that, much like a ton of people on this board are trying to defend apple i'm sure there are thousands more out there that would just deal with the issue until they get burned to not tarnish the apple name in any way.

[baddj]

If the 3GS has sold over 1 million units and we have only heard of a handful of cases, what percentage of units is that? Think about it for a minute.
;)
A recall would require how many defective units? At 10%, that would be 100,000 units but we have yet to hear of 100 cases let alone in the thousands.


@ chrismac00: How many smart devices (PDA's Smart phones) have you owned in the past? What was going through your mind when the phone gave an error message that it was too hot and you thought it would be a good idea to leave it turned on and to put it back into your backpack on a 100 F day?
:confused:
Did you think that it would magically cool down in the bag while still turned on?

I think that is true i am getting mine next week now as i am sure its only a couple that have this issue and not all of them, and i am sure apple to give new ones to the people that have this issue.

[peterdevries]

The iPhone's primary purpose is certainly not be used as a dash-mounted GPS navigation device. Or would you say that any smartphone that cannot be used as a dash-mounted navigation device is not a viable product?

Yes, but if you invite a turn-by-turn navigation maker to present in your WWDC keynote you are certainly implying some things.

[djinn]

Just get the Applecare warranty and shut up! If you run into problems, take it to Apple and get it replaced or fixed. :mad:

[RFR79]

My phone is totally dead, a trip to the Apple Store in Glasgow will be my first call tomorrow morning. If they replace the phone should I then ask for a black one instead of the white one that is dead. I would have thought black would have more problems with heat than the white.
What happens with all the info I have put on my white phone?
It does concern me that I have taken out the £35 a month contract with o2 on a phone that I use outside more than inside, am I screwed?

Good luck with asking for a black iphone. I tried this since I have a white iphone and I was told that they have to give me the same color iphone in return. Why I do not know. It shouldn't matter to them.

[ULFoaf]

I have been in 100 degree weather recently, driving with my iPhone. I didn't see any temperature warnings, but I did get a low battery warning WHILE ON THE CHARGER. The phone was sitting on the dash in the sun, with A/C blasting. Moving it out of the sun and cooling in the A/C fixed the problem.

Also, when I put my partially charged iPhone in a hot car, the battery level dropped very quickly. It seems like the battery actually discharged in the heat. No lasting effects that I've seen.

PS: After RTFM, it actually says this exact behavior may occur, so no mystery.

[LeoFio]

all this didn't stop me from picking up my new white iphone today!

[ULFoaf]

The iPhone's primary purpose is certainly not be used as a dash-mounted GPS navigation device. Or would you say that any smartphone that cannot be used as a dash-mounted navigation device is not a viable product?

Thanks for straightening us out. You must be very busy approving all the apps in the App Store.

Not being able to operate at 100 F is really a pretty poor standard for any mobile electronic device - simply outside on a summer day in the shade! Certainly not an issue with other, simpler phones, calculators, etc. Don't know about other smart phones.

Note: Blackberry Bold operating temperature = 104 F. A little better, not much.

[hugothomsen]

http://www.macrumors.com/images/macrumorsthreadlogo.gif (http://www.macrumors.com/2009/07/02/concerns-of-iphone-3gs-overheating-and-discoloration-gaining-publicity/)

Last week, Nowhere Else began receiving reports (http://www.nowhereelse.fr/surchauffe-iphone-3gs-21265/) [Google translation (http://translate.google.com/translate?prev=hp&hl=en&js=n&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nowhereelse.fr%2Fsurchauffe-iphone-3gs-21265%2F&sl=auto&tl=en&history_state0=)] from owners of the white iPhone 3GS that had experience significant overheating, leading in some cases to distinct pink or brown discoloration on the iPhone's back case. A later report (http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2009/06/overheating-iphones/) from Wired suggested that faulty battery cells may be the cause of the overheating and could lead to a significant recall of the affected iPhones.


http://images.macrumors.com/article/2009/07/02/144455-overheating_iphone_3gs_500.jpg

Image from Nowhereelse.fr
A number of reports today have pointed to an Apple support document (http://support.apple.com/kb/HT2101) providing advice on how to keep iPhones from overheating as an acknowledgement of the problem on the part of Apple. As Macworld points out (http://www.macworld.com/article/141508/2009/07/3gs_overheating.html), however, the document was originally posted many months ago, and was recently updated only to add references to the iPhone 3GS to the existing ones for the iPhone 3G. According to the Apple document, an overheating iPhone will display a warning screen and become inoperable with the exception of allowing emergency phone calls to be made. Apple also describes several situations that can lead to activation of the temperature warning screen.While heat is definitely a concern for any electronic device, particularly ones like the iPhone that pack a significant amount of power into a small space, Apple assures its iPhone 3G and 3GS customers that the devices do meet international safety standards for such devices. At this time, Apple has made no official response to these latest reports of overheating and discoloration on the new iPhone 3GS.

Article Link: Concerns of iPhone 3GS Overheating and Discoloration Gaining Publicity (http://www.macrumors.com/2009/07/02/concerns-of-iphone-3gs-overheating-and-discoloration-gaining-publicity/)

Quite a few people, me included, have big issues with memory, heat, wireless and bluetooth after upgrading to 3.0 (See http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?threadID=2043310). No reaction from Apple as yet.

Bummer.

[Marlor]

Not being able to operate at 100 F is really a pretty poor standard for any mobile electronic device - simply outside on a summer day in the shade! Certainly not an issue with other, simpler phones, calculators, etc. Don't know about other smart phones.

100 F (38 C) is certainly pretty normal summer weather here.

I've never had a smartphone or PDA have a problem with those sort of temperatures, and I don't even bother turning on the air conditioning until it hits 40 C.

If the iPhone can't handle that kind of warm weather, then there's something seriously wrong.

[MorphingDragon]

Is it me or is the coloring on the Logo inconsistent. The leaf is darker then the main part of the fruit. I smell Photoshop.

[Marlor]

it's all because of the cheap Chinese plastics.

Sorry Apple, but maybe you can make these in the good ole USA or maybe someplace closer instead. you know... somewhere that doesn't jail people for asking for democracy, tons of toxic waste and... have poisonous baby formula.

Protectionism FTL.

[wywern209]

And that is why children, you don't put a very powerful processor anda very powerful GPU and more ram in a thin package. You will end up like little johnny in the apple hospital. they had to give him a shiny new plastic white back because he was in the sun too long.

what i am really wondering though is, if apple underclocked the cpu to from its max potential during release, i wonder if the iphone would have had holes in it if the CPU was running full power. the iphone would just be brown from iphone skin cancer, it would be dead from overheating w/ a big black crater where the processor is. i have a solution for this though. perforate the iphone shell somehow or maybe make the iphone out of carbon fiber so that heat dissipates quicker. a solution is to mix metal flakes with the molten plastic. so that the metal removes heat better but to keep the original plastic look close enough( kind of like metallic paint)

[JonasLondon]

Its not heat, the iPhone is blushing from all the naughty naked bodies on it.

ROFL! Best post of the week award from me! :D

[Vanilla]

The article referred to exposing the iPhone to DIRECT sunlight. You could be happily using the iPhone in 30+ centigrade heat with no problems at all but of course if you place it on a surface where the sun is DIRECTLY heating it then the heat in that area will become significant and yes, most electronic equipment - be it an iPhone, Nokia, Ericcsson Motorola, camera, camcorder, etc. will eventually suffer quite badly. If you stand still in the same area you yourself will become uncomfortably hot and will eventually suffer severe sunburn for the same reason.
Honestly this to me is a blindingly obvious non-issue, with the caveat that of course there will quite possibly be examples of faulty batteries, which will have issues whatever the weather....
Vanilla

[Kelmon]

Well, this certainly isn't good news but I am still going to go ahead with my purchase of a 32GB White 3GS and hope that the issues cited are indeed isolated. What worries me the most about this is that one of the primary reasons why I want a 3GS is for the GPS functions and the TomTom application, which seems like the perfect fit for what I want. However, if the thing dies on me during a trip then I will be very annoyed.

It is hard to say how widespread the issues are but it is clear that there are issues and they need to be fixed, either in the form of replacement units (if the problem is sporadic) or a complete recall if there is a fundamental design issue. Certainly you should be able to expect that a device that costs EUR 675 will do everything that it claims to without putting little caveats in that restricts how you should use it. For example, my iPhone will be mounted on my car windscreen by the TomTom holder and I have no intention of directing the air conditioning at it, not least because I want it fully directed at me at the moment. If the unit dies due to this then it is a problem with the iPhone and not a problem with how I am using it.

I'll wait and see how things work out but it does seem that this thread is largely populated by people either panicking or doing those doing their best impression of an ostrich with its head in the sand.

[ULFoaf]

And that is why children, you don't put a very powerful processor anda very powerful GPU and more ram in a thin package. You will end up like little johnny in the apple hospital. they had to give him a shiny new plastic white back because he was in the sun too long.

what i am really wondering though is, if apple underclocked the cpu to from its max potential during release, i wonder if the iphone would have had holes in it if the CPU was running full power. the iphone would just be brown from iphone skin cancer, it would be dead from overheating w/ a big black crater where the processor is. i have a solution for this though. perforate the iphone shell somehow or maybe make the iphone out of carbon fiber so that heat dissipates quicker. a solution is to mix metal flakes with the molten plastic. so that the metal removes heat better but to keep the original plastic look close enough( kind of like metallic paint)

I didn't bother to look up carbon vs plastic, but aluminum would do far better for cooling. I heard they went to plastic because the 3G had reception problems with a metal case at the higher data rates.

Gee ... materials choice vs data rates vs overheating ... these wouldn't be a real engineering tradeoffs, would they? :>D
Sometimes it isn't easy & you have to make a choice.

[LagunaSol]

We have one person posting 1-2 photos on the Internet, and now we have widespread intrawebnet hysteria with some sites even saying things like "full recall" now. WTF?!?!?!?! What has this damn world come to?

1. Everyone is gunning for Apple right now. Expect an endless stream of FUD. I smell Ballmer - gearing up for the ZunePhone Ultimate Professional Platinum Edition announcement.

2. Sensational stories about Apple generate traffic. Would the general public care that an HTC running WinMo was overheating? Of course not. Why do you think Green Peace pickets Apple stores and not Best Buy? Media coverage!

3. People hold Apple to a higher standard. If an Apple product even smells a little off, we (the customers) are all over it. And rightly so.

I'm guessing this is a problem with a tiny minority, so the press coverage (they mentioned it today on Fox News or MSNBC, I can't remember which) is probably due to 1 or 2.

[edesignuk]

Apple really don't seem to do any sort of quality control/testing on anything they release these days.

If it's not laptops over heating, or with screen defects, it's their bloody phones :rolleyes:

[mudenza]

Don't worry, Apple will release a software update that will activate small cooling fans that have been residing in the phone for quite some time which no one has ever been able to see before.

[Kelmon]

One good thing that comes out of this is that if the problem becomes well publicised, rightly or wrongly, it brings pressure on Apple to officially address the issue, either to clarify that it is a limited problem or that something needs to be done. Some sort of acknowledgment of the issue would be a start, although previous cases of product defects has shown mixed results from Apple (sometimes addressed, other times ignored).

[yiqinuk]

I am not surprised to hear the iPhone is suffer with overheating problem. This is mainly cause by the high data rate service it supports (GPS, TV, Internet, 3G, Skype etc). The amplifier chip inside the iPhone suffer the most due to more than 70% of the battery power is dissipated as heat.(battery life can be very short as well). For such a small phone like iPhone, Apple really need to pay attention to this problem. I do believe the worse to come when LTE is coming into service(4G or 3.5G). I understand apple only got into the handset market for a very short period of time compare with some big player like Nokia etc. However, overheating can be very dangerous in some cases.

[alexacker]

Its times like this that I feel good for not being an early adopter anymore. :) I'll just wait a while until they fix the problem before I upgrade.. wahoo!

How is this early adoption? This is the 3rd year for the iPhone. I got my 32GB 3GS black iphone on Day 1 and have no regrets and NO heat problems whatsoever. It works perfectly. Plus I got my wife one and there's no heat problems as well.

If you call the third generation of a product "early adoption", then people would never buy anything. Always would be waiting...

[kirky29]

It was Hot Yesterday and I had my Camera App open for most of the day, before my iPhone did get hot... but not as hot as it does now.. Thought it was just the Heat. Doesn't bother me though!
I'm sure they'll fix it.

[Shasterball]

Another reason to wait until 2010.

:D

There's always a reason to wait. Meanwhile, everyone has been playing with cool toys!

And do you think there won't be any problems next year? Trust me, there will. Will Apple fix the issues like they have consistently done in the past? Yup...

[yiqinuk]

There's always a reason to wait. Meanwhile, everyone has been playing with cool toys!

And do you think there won't be any problems next year? Trust me, there will. Will Apple fix the issues like they have consistently done in the past? Yup...

Overheating is not a simple problem to fix. Otherwise apple will fix it at first place. Overheating can easily damage some of the components in handset. Sometimes could be very serious. It is still a early stage (the phone is only on the market for few weeks). This problem will soon become reliability issue. I suggest Apple use the more efficient PA chip or some chip to help PA work in a more efficient way. Otherwise, iPhone brand could be serious damaged in a long run.

[mac2thefuture]

Does anyone use their 3Gs extensivley through the day and not suffer issues.
I'd want one but would expect heavy phone use, Tom Tom would be running most often (when available ) and of course some tunes will be playing from time to time.
Put my mind at rest - please :)

[Schizoid]

Don't use the phone on a sunny, cloudy, rainy or snowy day.
Don't leave the phone in a car, bus, train or penny farthing.
Don't give your iPhone to a member of the Nottinghamshire Police force.
Don't charge your phone or use it if there is a microwave nearby.
Don't use more than one application at a time if your head is under the pillow.
Don't plug in the charger for more than 20 seconds.
Do consult the Apple Support Pages, where we will endeavour to give you obvious advice and tips but ultimately refuse to admit any liability whatsoever...

[asphyxiafeeling]

Heat? Wow, they even have an App for that.

I LOL'd :p

i'd like to see more evidence of this being a problem before freaking out... it COULD just be a few isolated incidents... we'll see in a few weeks, i guess.

[MorphingDragon]

*Obscure Ad Reference

Burn Baby Burn, Toasting the Pentium:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Cf3m_YUzCM&feature=PlayList&p=1A7EEC380287E885&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=18

Gives it new meaning doesn't it?

[arkitect]

There's always a reason to wait. Meanwhile, everyone has been playing with cool toys!

Perhaps in this context cool is not the correct word. ;)

Anyway, I am quite OK with waiting for 2010…

[windywoo]

How is this early adoption? This is the 3rd year for the iPhone. I got my 32GB 3GS black iphone on Day 1 and have no regrets and NO heat problems whatsoever. It works perfectly. Plus I got my wife one and there's no heat problems as well.

If you call the third generation of a product "early adoption", then people would never buy anything. Always would be waiting...

Deeply, deeply dim.

[Vulpinemac]

Having worked in electronics and having to repair all kinds of screwy problems in nearly every brand out there, the discoloration on the pictured iPhone simply doesn't look right. It doesn't look like heat discoloration, but rather, stains from either makeup or perhaps hand lotion, that somebody tried to wipe off.

On the other hand, how many people spend 15, 20, 45 minutes on a cell phone call? Pretty much everyone, right? How many of you have noticed that no matter what brand of phone you have, it gets hot the longer you maintain the call. Honestly, my ear used to sweat when using a simple, everyday single-purpose cell phone. My iPhone doesn't get any hotter than the cell phone did.

Yes, you can screw any piece of equipment over by abusing it. But under normal, intermittent use, you shouldn't have any problems.

I say 'Bunk' to this discoloration. I don't believe it. It doesn't look right, it doesn't sound right, it isn't true. Now, if a significant percentage of new users make the same claim, I may change my mind. For now, the statistical sampling is just too small to show a trend.

[MrZebra]

Apple really don't seem to do any sort of quality control/testing on anything they release these days.

If it's not laptops over heating, or with screen defects, it's their bloody phones :rolleyes:

Seriously, they need to get this under control.

[impulse462]

The iPhones 3GS's CPU is underclocked @ 600mhz from 833mhz for whoever asked that

[Vulpinemac]

100 F (38 C) is certainly pretty normal summer weather here.

I've never had a smartphone or PDA have a problem with those sort of temperatures, and I don't even bother turning on the air conditioning until it hits 40 C.

If the iPhone can't handle that kind of warm weather, then there's something seriously wrong.

Have you read the actual support advisory?

>"Operate iPhone 3G and iPhone 3GS in a place where the temperature is between 0º and 35º C (32º to 95º F). Low- or high-temperature conditions might temporarily shorten battery life or cause the device to temporarily stop working properly.

95°F (35°C) is quite warm. I happen to know that are a lot of electronic products that recommend lower temperatures; including cell phones.

>Store iPhone 3G and iPhone 3GS in a place where the temperature is between -20º and 45º C (-4º to 113º F). Don’t leave the device in your car, because temperatures in parked cars can exceed this range.

This seems eminently sensible. There is almost no electronic device, not even CDs, that recommend leaving in a hot car or in direct sunlight. The fact that they suggest keeping the phone cooler and in shade also takes some of the stress off of the battery. Or haven't you noticed that battery-powered devices tend to drain their battery faster in high temperatures? Even cell phones.


Kids, this isn't a one-shot concept. Nearly every portable device you own says essentially the same thing. Just look at your users' manuals.

[irnchriz]

Anyone else spot the irony of the one and only website with any images of a discolored iPhone?

Nowhere else www.nowhereelse.fr

Fuxxing hilarious.

I have a 32GB white iPhone 3GS and in the name of science I ran the following, back to back.


1 Hour video recording
Played field runners for 45 mins
Played Zombieville for 35ish mins

All in my non air conditioned office which was roasting (29c on my wall thermometer).

The iPhone? It was warm, but no warmer that my Sony Ericsson gets after a 30 minute call. Most of the heat was at the camera during recording. There were no changes in performance and no errors.

The testing conditions were unusual though. I live in Scotland and it really doesn't ever get that hot here.

[Shasterball]

Perhaps in this context cool is not the correct word. ;)

Anyway, I am quite OK with waiting for 2010…

LOL. Touche. To be honest, I kept my 1st gen iPhone and didn't get the 3G because AT&T's 3G network was supposedly so terrible. And it seems like for the first few months of the 3G release, there was A LOT of complaining about the speed of the network. Since then, I think AT&T has shored it up. So I went for the 3GS. So, I can totally see the merit in waiting depending on the situation. Here I had less trouble upgrading because a) I still had 1st gen; b) network is pretty fast now; and c) there are some pretty useful new features (there weren't any really new features in the 3G vs 1st gen other than faster network speed -- again, the network took a few months to get up to par). Honestly, the faster processor in the 3GS is pretty impressive -- it makes the entire experience much, much more efficient.

[SpaceKitty]

The only time my 3G S has gotten slightly warm was when I was downloading music from iTunes via 3G. I just don't see this as a problem for the average user.

[fat phil]

- Using certain applications in hot conditions or direct sunlight for long periods of time, such as GPS tracking in a car on a sunny day or listening to music while in direct sunlight.

So do we have put "Do Not Use In Direct Sunlight" warnings in our apps now? :p

[beggersfunk]

Who cares....first of all of you got a year warranty if its defective send it back to Apple or Apple geniuses. Big deal get used to it, its Apple for **** sake they make it right after 3rd or 4th iteration.I don't know what the fuss is all about i am using 3GS by the way. Its freaking warm when i played Galactic, other then that its all good! It's Apple push the limit of hardware with all seriousness get used to it!

[yiqinuk]

Anyone else spot the irony of the one and only website with any images of a discolored iPhone?

Nowhere else www.nowhereelse.fr

Fuxxing hilarious.

I have a 32GB white iPhone 3GS and in the name of science I ran the following, back to back.


1 Hour video recording
Played field runners for 45 mins
Played Zombieville for 35ish mins

All in my non air conditioned office which was roasting (29c on my wall thermometer).

The iPhone? It was warm, but no warmer that my Sony Ericsson gets after a 30 minute call. Most of the heat was at the camera during recording. There were no changes in performance and no errors.

The testing conditions were unusual though. I live in Scotland and it really doesn't ever get that hot here.
You missed the point. The only time when iPhone get very hot is when you using the transmitter and receiver on the phone. Phone call, video call, download, etc. Overheating is the problem for almost every 3G phone. The reason why iPhone is standing out is because the size of it and how the designer handle the heat dissipation.

[chaosconan]

From reading all the posts some have this problem while others don't. It sounds like Apple has a bad supplier who did not supply a component to the right specs.

I have a hard time believing that Apple didn't do their diligence in testing different scenarios like operating the phone at higher room temperature for a prolong period of time and with the transmitter continuously on.

I presume none of these issues were seen with the components they used which leads me to believe that one of the suppliers is providing Apple a part that's not up to specifications.

Isn't that where most of the problems originate? The supplier trying to cut cost by providing a lower standard component.

P.S. I think one of the suppliers is mixing iphone clone parts for the real thing. I heard these suppliers also produce the parts for iphone clones that's out there.

[BVeritas]

This is all FUD. Just go to Apple 3GS Hardware Support Forum and read.

http://discussions.apple.com/forum.jspa?forumID=1333

[*LTD*]

This is all FUD. Just go to Apple 3GS Hardware Support Forum and read.

http://discussions.apple.com/forum.jspa?forumID=1333

Of course it is. This kind of thing happens every time Apple rolls out a new iPhone or iPod Touch.

Apple is rearranging entire industries and the competition simply can't keep up. Easiest thing to do is promote FUD at a grassroots level or simply spread it yourself.

[dubhe]

I think these are isolated incidents, just as a dead pixel or loose button would be. These things happen and that is why we have a warranty.

If, however, I am wrong, and there is a fault with all of the 3GS then surely a software update could address this by changing how the hardware is used?

[MorphingDragon]

OMG my CPU gets hot, I should return it.

On a side note does the Pre still exist? It seems like its returned to the Void.

[BVeritas]

This is all FUD. Just go to Apple 3GS Hardware Support Forum and read.

http://discussions.apple.com/forum.jspa?forumID=1333

Compare that to the Palm Pre webOS Support Forum and see what real trouble is. Look at the pictures of the cracked screens. No blogger has published these yet, wonder why.

http://forums.palm.com/palm/board?board.id=weboshardware

http://forums.palm.com/palm/board/message?board.id=weboshardware&thread.id=145&view=by_date_ascending&page=4

[peterdevries]

I think these are isolated incidents, just as a dead pixel or loose button would be. These things happen and that is why we have a warranty.

If, however, I am wrong, and there is a fault with all of the 3GS then surely a software update could address this by changing how the hardware is used?

Well, the only thing they would be able to do is adjust processing speed or transmitting power or whatever causes the overheating. Whatever they would do, it would make the iPhone slower, have worse reception etc, and then you would have another group of users complaining. There are unfortunately no fans that could kick in a little bit sooner with an update.

Of course it is. This kind of thing happens every time Apple rolls out a new iPhone or iPod Touch.

I agree. The point here (IMO) is that Apple is just so visible when they release a new product that any defect that affects only a few % of all users gets a proportionate amount of publicity.

I'm 100% sure that products of the competition fall apart or have problems at least as often, but this just doesn't get publicized so much.

I already heard some mentions about the build quality of the Pre. Nokia phones are crap compared to the stuff they built 5 years ago. And don't even get me started on the average DVD player or TV.

My iPhone 3G is in better condition than any other phone I have owned for a year. I dropped it twice on the street and it only has a scratch on the back. IMO this thing is rock solid.

[igazza]

How come its only the white model's that overheat?

[jayducharme]

Compare that to the Palm Pre webOS Support Forum and see what real trouble is.

Ouch! That's pretty brutal. I agree with you -- it's interesting that we're not hearing much about this, especially since it's not an isolated case. The more I look at the Pre, the more it appears to be cheaply made. That home button looks especially vulnerable.

After a year of use, I'm impressed with the durability and versatility of my iPhone.

[irnchriz]

You missed the point. The only time when iPhone get very hot is when you using the transmitter and receiver on the phone. Phone call, video call, download, etc. Overheating is the problem for almost every 3G phone. The reason why iPhone is standing out is because the size of it and how the designer handle the heat dissipation.

I make over 20 hours of calls per month and receive many hours of calls. I just finished a support call which took over 1.5 hours and the iPhone is barely even warm. I discounted calls making the phone hot for this very reason and used the video camera and gaming to test due to reports of the video camera and gaming causing overheating.

On wednesday I used the GPS on the iphone on a 2 hr journey and the iPhone, again was just warm. It was also on charge the whole time which, if anything, should have made it hotter.

As you can see by my sig I have now had all 3 models of iPhone and trust me the 2G was hotter in use than either the 3G or 3GS.

[chaosconan]

Does anyone remember when Hillary said we need a company like Apple to design the next generation cars. If they can produce something like iPod imagine what they can do with automobiles.

If they hired Apple to design the future cars wonder whether the white cars would have overheated. :rolleyes:

Politicians crack me up!!!

[Scarpad]

"GPS tracking in a car on a sunny day"

So no SatNav in California, for example.

Lame, Apple. Very lame.

They rushed it out again.

Yeah like Normal stuff you'd expect a $300 phone to do. How soon till we find out this thing is leaking harmful radiation?

[Michael73]

Ummm, I was talking about this with my new iPhone 3GS a week ago....

Here (http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=734694)

[chaosconan]

Apple better fix these problems soon. I hear Android is making a comeback from multiple fronts next year.

Yeah, thats google crome on Android :)

HTC
http://www.talkandroid.com/android-forums/android-hardware/341-t-mobile-g2-phone.html

Motorola
http://phandroid.com/2009/04/29/motorola-android-phone-calgary-headed-to-verizon/

[djellison]

Yeah like Normal stuff you'd expect a $300 phone to do. How soon till we find out this thing is leaking harmful radiation?

The phone should do what it's advertised to do. It's advertised to do turn by turn GPS. It turns out Apple are now recommending you don't do that.

If there were no problem, the there would be comments in this forum about it, there wouldn't be an acknowledgement by apple, there wouldn't be an 'your iPhone has over heated' screen for people to have screen grabbed.

The problem is clearly real, and is another symptom of Apple putting form before function.

Sadly - the Apple-zombies keep forming queues to buy this stuff and let them get away with it!

[MorphingDragon]

Apple better fix these problems soon. I hear Android is making a comeback from multiple fronts next year.

Yeah, thats google crome on Android :)

HTC
http://www.talkandroid.com/android-forums/android-hardware/341-t-mobile-g2-phone.html

Motorola
http://phandroid.com/2009/04/29/motorola-android-phone-calgary-headed-to-verizon/

The G2 HTC is already available in New Zealand. Android is still pretty crappy.
http://www.vodafone.co.nz/htcmagic/htc-magic-black.jsp

Take those pictures and throw them out the window. A trained eye can tell that a lot of it is photoshopped.

EDIT: They specifically say its photoshopped. XD The Vodafone Link is what the G2 will bring about.

[chaosconan]

First image - Motorola Flash
Very promising. It's got potential.

Second image - Motorola Rush 2
Late in the game, boy do I hate RED

Third image - Motorola Calgary
Interesting

Fourth image - Motorola Inferno
cheap mass phones

[MorphingDragon]

First image - Motorola Flash
Very promising. It's got potential.

Second image - Motorola Rush 2
Late in the game, boy do I hate RED

Third image - Motorola Calgary
Interesting

Fourth image - Motorola Inferno
cheap mass phones

They'll Be Crippled by Verizon. Want tethering..? Pay an extra $20 Want Bluetooth..? $10.

[Victor Odin]

Folks can go on and on about Apple hardware superiority until they are blue in the face (and many of them do), but the fact is that I cannot think of any other manufacturers that have had so many recalcitrant thermal issues as has Apple.

They try to cram as much into a "thin and light" package as possible ... and while the outcome is indeed quite beautiful to the eye ... the problem is that they don't "just work"©

The emphasis is on form and specs, but there is little emphasis on whether the devices can take advantage of those specs.

More and more, high-end Apple devices are becoming more works of art to look at, but not touch.

This is why, for example, most other laptops are made heavier and bulkier.

While they are ugly, and they take up more room in your laptop bag, they tend to chug along without pushing the thermal envelope nearly as much.

"Thin and light" is only good if you can use what is in the "thin and light" package at 100% power in perpetuity.

With Apple, this is often not the case.

The 2.8Ghz chip is great, as long as you keep CPU usage below 50%, or only use short bursts at 100%.

After all, this is how "most people use laptops".©

Think different.

[chaosconan]

The G2 HTC is already available in New Zealand. Android is still pretty crappy.
http://www.vodafone.co.nz/htcmagic/htc-magic-black.jsp

Take those pictures and throw them out the window. A trained eye can tell that a lot of it is photoshopped.

EDIT: They specifically say its photoshopped. XD The Vodafone Link is what the G2 will bring about.

Dude, thats HTC Magic
http://www.htc.com/www/product.aspx

G2 has taller screen in comparison to G1 models.

[rabbit05]

Umm, but this is for white iPhones only... so I won't mind. I'm going to get a black.

forget it .. I got a black one 32G ... afther 2 days it already showed grey stripes on the back and killed 2 SIMcards by overheating .
The worst part of it all is tha we here in Belgium we pay about € 700 or $995 for the 32GB iphone ... and if we bring it in to change or repair ,because of malfunction ...you have to wait about 4 to 6 weeks before you get it back . or get a new one.... how about that ? :mad:

[Goona]

Motorola still makes phones? :eek:

[MorphingDragon]

Dude, thats HTC Magic
http://www.htc.com/www/product.aspx

G2 has taller screen in comparison to G1 models.

Misinformed you are:
http://gizmodo.com/5293340/t+mobile-mytouch-3g-aka-t+mobile-g2-htc-magic-google-ion-coming-this-summer
http://google.about.com/b/2009/06/22/the-g2-t-mobile-announces-mytouch-3g.htm
http://phandroid.com/2009/05/08/t-mobile-g2-mytouch-coming-to-usa-in-july-via-walmart-with-icing/

MyTouch3G = T-Mobile G2 = HTC Magic, Except in America you get a 5MP camera apparently.

Plus a PC world review shows that the manual refers to G2, Magazine not the Website. Ill scan it in tomorrow.

Those images are photoshops, easily identifiable. Look at the Buttons. The bigger screen was a lie.

[alexmadison]

Apple has admitted that its latest iPhone 3GS model can overheat but has blamed the problem on sunshine rather than a glitch with its design.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/scienceandtechnology/technology/apple/5730555/Overheating-iPhone-3GS-Apple-blames-the-weather.html

[chaosconan]

Folks can go on and on about Apple hardware superiority until they are blue in the face (and many of them do), but the fact is that I cannot think of any other manufacturers that have had so many recalcitrant thermal issues as has Apple.

They try to cram as much into a "thin and light" package as possible ... and while the outcome is indeed quite beautiful to the eye ... the problem is that they don't "just work"©

The emphasis is on form and specs, but there is little emphasis on whether the devices can take advantage of those specs.

More and more, high-end Apple devices are becoming more works of art to look at, but not touch.

This is why, for example, most other laptops are made heavier and bulkier.

While they are ugly, and they take up more room in your laptop bag, they tend to chug along without pushing the thermal envelope nearly as much.

"Thin and light" is only good if you can use what is in the "thin and light" package at 100% power in perpetuity.

With Apple, this is often not the case.

The 2.8Ghz chip is great, as long as you keep CPU usage below 50%, or only use short bursts at 100%.

After all, this is how "most people use laptops".©

Think different.

You're definitely right about cramming everything in there.

iPhone: 4.5 inch
htc: 4.60 inch
(height)

[Victor Odin]

I could care less if the case is turning red, as long as it isn't affecting iPhone performance...

This is why Apple users get a lot of crap products.

Apple knows you will accept them, and give them a pass -- come what may.

This is why you get downgraded "upgraded" iMacs, and it is why you do not have A2DP and are only now getting features that competitor phones have had for years.

As re-assured by the community that the Apple user is that they are somehow superior, the fact is that you pay more for less, accept faults with a smile ... which only ensures that you will continue to pay more for less and get more faulty products

While Apple users fancy themselves as being more discriminating, the fact is -- they are among the least discriminating consumers on the planet.

This, in turn, leads to higher profit margins.

Let's face it, there is not a PC manufacturer on the planet that could sell a $2,500 laptop with a Core 2 Duo and a 9600M GT.

As "dumb" as PC users are, they don't shell out the cash unless the specs warrant it, and they actually complain about the various companies, Dell, HP, etc.

Given that probably half of Apple users are willing to accept defective merchandise, the stereotype of the self-assured Mac users is becoming increasingly view as a community of users with terribly low self-esteem who spend a disproportionate amount of time rationalizing the faults of the for-profit company that in many respects -- exploits them.

[TheOrioles33]

I dont know about you, but I dont put any of my electronic devices in direct sunlight. Who would leave their iPhone on the dash in a closed car in the middle of summer? Hopefully no one! As far as the TomTom mount goes, I would mount it high up the windshiled where it is safe from direct sunlight where that strip of windshield tint is. A little common sense will go a long way in keeping your iPhone (or any electronic device) healthy. :)

[Victor Odin]

95°F (35°C) is quite warm. I happen to know that are a lot of electronic products that recommend lower temperatures; including cell phones.

I use my Crackberry all day, every day.

A2DP, music, video, web browsing, text, voice command, Google Earth with street view, email, camera, video camera, turn-by-turn GPS ... there is probably no heavier Blackberry user on the planet than I.

And I live in Las Vegas. It was 110 degrees here two days ago.

As a matter of fact, it will be another three months until the daily high dips BELOW 100.

95F during the summer anywhere in the USA is fairly common, and that threshold for a mobile device is entirely unreasonable.

Especially from a supposed "premium" hardware manufacturer.

[chaosconan]

Misinformed you are:
http://gizmodo.com/5293340/t+mobile-mytouch-3g-aka-t+mobile-g2-htc-magic-google-ion-coming-this-summer
http://google.about.com/b/2009/06/22/the-g2-t-mobile-announces-mytouch-3g.htm
http://phandroid.com/2009/05/08/t-mobile-g2-mytouch-coming-to-usa-in-july-via-walmart-with-icing/

MyTouch3G = T-Mobile G2 = HTC Magic, Except in America you get a 5MP camera apparently.

Plus a PC world review shows that the manual refers to G2, Magazine not the Website. Ill scan it in tomorrow.

Those images are photoshops, easily identifiable. Look at the Buttons. The bigger screen was a lie.

ok ok. you're right. i retract my info.

[bobr1952]

I think a lot of this does have to do with expectations. I own a BMW 3-series--one that is 8 years old and one that I plan to keep for a very long time. Regardless, I bought it because of its handling capabilities but since I've owned it I have noticed critiques are far more stringent than they are for something like a Kia--sure the price difference is extreme but still--I think a lot of it does have to do with expectations. The same with Apple--we all expect a lot from Apple produces and when there are problems--big or small--they are noticed.

[jigo]

They'll Be Crippled by Verizon. Want tethering..? Pay an extra $20 Want Bluetooth..? $10.

At least I'm allowed to tether on Verizon. Bluetooth $10? That's just ignorant. Good thing Apple and AT&T have never crippled the iPhone.

[Victor Odin]

I think a lot of this does have to do with expectations. I own a BMW 3-series--one that is 8 years old and one that I plan to keep for a very long time. Regardless, I bought it because of its handling capabilities but since I've owned it I have noticed critiques are far more stringent than they are for something like a Kia--sure the price difference is extreme but still--I think a lot of it does have to do with expectations. The same with Apple--we all expect a lot from Apple produces and when there are problems--big or small--they are noticed.

Let the justifications and rationalizations begin :rolleyes:

[TheOrioles33]

Lets not forget that while it is an Apple product, its built in China. China has been making some real crap the last couple years. Probably using recycled plastic or something.

[Victor Odin]

Lets not forget that while it is an Apple product, its built in China. China has been making some real crap the last couple years. Probably using recycled plastic or something.

There you go, folks.

First it was the weather's (God's) fault, now it's China's fault.

I hate it when deity's and entire nations line up to sabotage Apple.

I bet Jesus uses Vista.

[smiddlehurst]

I dont know about you, but I dont put any of my electronic devices in direct sunlight. Who would leave their iPhone on the dash in a closed car in the middle of summer? Hopefully no one! As far as the TomTom mount goes, I would mount it high up the windshiled where it is safe from direct sunlight where that strip of windshield tint is. A little common sense will go a long way in keeping your iPhone (or any electronic device) healthy. :)

And you'll be using this safely... how exactly? If you've got a satnav mounted low to either side of the main instrument pod you can scan it either in the same movement you use to check your speed or, in some cars, without actually taking your eyes off the road. Then there's the charge cable flapping around. For that matter, I'd hate to see what happens to an iPhone when a mount on top of the screen lets go.

Let's be honest here, Apple has issues with its hardware designs overheating. It's been like that for a long time with several generations of Macbook Pro, iMac's and the old cube all suffering from the problem. For a smartphone to suffer overheating problems...actually, I'm trying to remember the last one I heard of that did. Can't think of one off the top of my head to be honest with you. And this thing about 'keep it out of direct sunlight LOL' is nonsense. It's a mobile phone, regardless of how you may like users to treat 'em we know they tend to be thrown around and are expected to put up with that abuse. If the iPhone DOES have a problem Apple need to fix it bloody quickly if it doesn't want to tarnish its reputation.

[Victor Odin]

There's always a reason to wait. Meanwhile, everyone has been playing with cool toys!

And do you think there won't be any problems next year? Trust me, there will. Will Apple fix the issues like they have consistently done in the past? Yup...

Yes, they will release firmware to slow down the phone, and you will sniff the fresh poop and declare it divine.

"So what that it's slower ... they fixed it! Most people don't need that much power anyway! I never use MY phone for more than 8.5 minutes at a time and anyone who does is probably a minion of Bill Gates!"

Low expectations = high profit margins

I am beginning to truly see the genius that is Apple, Inc.

[iSamurai]

shouldn't this issue be called the iPhone "colouration" issue, instead of "discolouration"? after all, it gained some colour from white.

[hsk]

I have had the 3gs since launch and have had no heat problems at all, and I live in south Texas. I have used gps while listening to music outdoors and had no more heat than with any other iphone. I think its an isolated issue.

I am in Austin - I had a Touch Pro and a Pre before the 3GS. The 3GS is much cooler than either of those phones. I was on a 2 hour call yesterday and while it was a little warm, it was still cooler than the other 2 phones would have been.

[chaosconan]

There you go, folks.

First it was the weather's (God's) fault, now it's China's fault.

I hate it when deity's and entire nations line up to sabotage Apple.

I bet Jesus uses Vista.

Jesus uses open source Jesux ;)

Major Chinese manufacturing companies like the ones for Apple are partially owned by the Chinese government so yes that would put China on the blame game. Just like if a GM car breaks down it would be Obama's (chief gm ceo) fault cause after all he did say on television that the federal government backs your warranty ;)

[cohibadad]

I haven't noticed any heating problem with my 3GS. I have black so no discoloration either. I don't run any NAV apps, leave my iPhone in a hot car or run it exposed to direct sunlight for extended periods. Compact electronic devices like this are too vulnerable to overheating.

I went to the John Deere golf tournament a couple years ago with my brother-in-law and they wouldn't let anyone bring their cell phones so he left his palm treo in his black/black BMW under the seat. By the time we got back his phone wouldn't start so he popped open the battery compartment and the battery was like molten lava.

3GS is super snappy and faster in every way than the 3G. It is not a minor upgrade IMO. There is no hesitation when typing or launching apps. The video camera alone is worth the upgrade for me.

[Full of Win]

Apple has made Drudge 2X... they are so screwed.

[Victor Odin]

Major Chinese manufacturing companies like the ones for Apple are partially owned by the Chinese government so yes that would put China on the blame game.

I disagree, and I will tell you why.

Apple willfully chooses who to use to manufacturer their parts.

If they are using the same cheap Chinese crap as E-machines, then I think it is safe to opine that the myth of hardware superiority is exactly that.

A myth.

I recently replaced the memory in my iMac, only to discover that "Apple Memory" is in fact, cheap commodity Hynix memory.

Unlike others, I place any and all hardware faults squarely on Apple, because that is where the buck stops.

Apple abandoned U.S. manufacturing, assembly, and Q/A (my came directly from China).

Prices have not come down commensurately with the fact that they are using the same parts as $400 PC's and that is why the stock is a tiny bit more than $14/share now as it was in the early 2000's.

Apple is making the choice to use crap. It's not as though they are contracting with premium suppliers at premium prices. They are choosing to pad profit margins and give consumers cheap hardware, because they think they have a sufficiently religious user base that will justify their decisions no matter how absurd.

For the most part, they are right.

For the rest of us, though. Those who retain mental autonomy and who don't subscribe unrequited loyalty to large corporation while touting our superior intellect ... I think we see that all Apple hardware faults are the direct results of decisions made by ... Apple.

I do not believe that a gun is forced to their head to use cheap parts, and given the amount they charge for their hardware, they could certainly afford to use better parts with more stringent quality control.

They simply choose not to.

[Victor Odin]

I haven't noticed any heating problem with my 3GS. I have black so no discoloration either. I don't run any NAV apps, leave my iPhone in a hot car or run it exposed to direct sunlight for extended periods. Compact electronic devices like this are too vulnerable to overheating.


I've had all manners of Palm's, Pocket PC's, and Blackberry's.

I still have a Treo 300 and Palm VII that still works (though not hooked up to cell service anymore).

I've carried and used them extensively in triple digit temps.

I've never had a single one overheat, or even exhibit any symptoms as such. I don't leave the screens facing the sun, but if I can stand the ambient temp, all of my smartphones have been able to do so as well. I expect them to be at least as resilient as I am -- and they have been.

I disagree with you that compact electronic devices as vulnerable to overheating. To the contrary. Most of them have no cooling mechanisms or even vents. They use the case to dissipate mild amounts of heat.

You are simply trying to ascribe an Apple problem to other vendors where it doesn't exist.

The Blackberry Curve is one of the most single used phones in the history of the smartphone, and I'm not sure that I have seen any cases of overheating.

Granted they are not as powerful as a 3GS, but what good is power if you can't use it for as long as you wish under circumstances as common as ... Summer.

[GutBomb]

Granted they are not as powerful as a 3GS, but what good is power if you can't use it for as long as you wish under circumstances as common as ... Summer.

This is an isolated incident. My 3GS has been working fine, as are the vast majority of them, and we're right in the thick of summer right now.

[hayesk]

The Blackberry Curve is one of the most single used phones in the history of the smartphone, and I'm not sure that I have seen any cases of overheating.


Wow, the hypocrisy. See this article:
http://drums-of-peace.blogspot.com/2009/02/blackberry-curve-overheating-battery.html

Notice how it says:
You're not going to regret it, either - functionality is noticeably better, though the device is now more sluggish than it was before. Alas, this is the price of progress.

What was that you said about Apple? Oh yeah, you said:
Yes, they will release firmware to slow down the phone, and you will sniff the fresh poop and declare it divine.

I am beginning to truly see the genius that is Apple, Inc.

Seems to me you are describing Blackberry users, not iPhone users.

[hayesk]

You are simply trying to ascribe an Apple problem to other vendors where it doesn't exist.

The Blackberry Curve is one of the most single used phones in the history of the smartphone, and I'm not sure that I have seen any cases of overheating.


Liar.

http://www.google.com/search?q=overheating+blackberry+curve

What is true is that you are trying ascribe an isolated incident to every iPhone 3GS sold.

[BongoBanger]

Wow, the hypocrisy. See this article:
http://drums-of-peace.blogspot.com/2009/02/blackberry-curve-overheating-battery.html

Notice how it says:


What was that you said about Apple? Oh yeah, you said:


Seems to me you are describing Blackberry users, not iPhone users.

Uh... the author says it was fixed by firmware. The problem no longer exists.

[Swift]

My 3G started overheating at the same time as the wi-fi stopped working. As soon as I figured out the network problem I had created, I had access to the Internet again over wi-fi, and battery life increased to "all day."

[hayesk]

Uh... the author says it was fixed by firmware. The problem no longer exists.

Uh... the author says his phone is more sluggish after the update - something Victor chastised iPhone owners users as foolishly accepting. Did you actually read my entire post?

[Lershac]

I was in an apple store in Baton Rouge, La last week (buying my new MBP 13" yay!) and sat for quite a while in a chair just watching the genius bar. During about an hour they had 3 iphones come in (new 3GS) that were overheating, showing the white screen. Techs (Genii?) were all like "damn another one?" and using their otoscopes and lights to look for any water damage and generally being very suspicious of each customer and eventually replacing them. The presumption of suspicion kinda bothered me, especially if that kind of frequency/rate of incoming problems was that high for a new device with a single problem in common (all were overheating and showing the white screen).

I hope Apple is keeping track and tallying some numbers to see if this is as huge a problem as it is portrayed as being. The guy I was dealing with when asked off the cuff stated that in his opinion it was a bad batch of batteries or some other component, because it definitely was NOT affecting every 3GS, just a percentage of them.

[Prof.]

Great. Now I have to wait even longer b4 I can get an iPhone. :mad::rolleyes:

[Victor Odin]

Uh... the author says his phone is more sluggish after the update - something Victor chastised iPhone owners users as foolishly accepting. Did you actually read my entire post?

One dude with a small blog hosted on Blogspot?

Really?

I mean ... REALLY? :eek:

Come on, homey, you can do better than that. I know you can. Doesn't the CEO of RIMM club baby seals or something? I read it on Blogspot somewhere.

Hey, at least the author didn't blame Jesus and the nation of China, though.

There is a difference between logic and religion.

I don't give a $*^& about RIMM and wouldn't shed a tear if they went under tomorrow (it's a company, not a deity), but my Curve has been chugging along for 2 years and it's as fast as it's ever been.

Oh yeah, I live in Las Vegas. 105 degrees today and I've had it out in the heat several times.

Everybody I work with has one.

Not a single person has slowed down or overheated yet, but I'll let you know as soon as that happens.

At that point, validation shall be yours!

Now go pray to Steve and sniff the glorious mound of poop which smells like roses.

Oh yeah ... bring money.

[Victor Odin]

I hope Apple is keeping track and tallying some numbers to see if this is as huge a problem as it is portrayed as being.

Apple has been having thermal issues for so long that I can't help but think that they really don't care all that much.

"Look at that PC user with the 3" thick plastic laptop. What an inelegant idiot. I can't wait to show him a real laptop when my inch thick Macbook Pro comes back from the shop after they replaced the third fried motherboard".

There's a reason that Apple Care is ridiculously expensive. Apple knows a huge amount of machines are going to fail.

But you have to give it to them.

Whether you can use it or not, it looks really nice.

And really, isn't that the point?

Think different!

[DELLsFan]

all this didn't stop me from picking up my new white iphone today!

Now you have an advantage over black iPhone owners. White helps to reflect light and therefore heat - whereas black absorbs light and therefore more heat, right? ;)

[applehappy]

What temp do people think the iPhone should handle? Really, you have it out in the sun, making a 3G call while using a GPS function and you get upset that the thing can't handle 120F? I just can't believe a few stories of hot phones gets this much press. Really sucks to be on top....everybody waiting to pile on the first chance they get.
I get that there might 1% of phones with a battery issue causing heating problems, but get real folks....nothing to see hear...move on.:eek:

[kurosov]

all this didn't stop me from picking up my new white iphone today!

Same here. Picked up the only 16gb white iphone available in the local area today and am more than happy with it.

This story is all over the place yet the number of reported cases seems miniscule.

[LAS.mac]

I had hot warning messages a couple of time, while using GPS and driving. Black 3G iphone, by the way. For the white discoloration: maybe applying a bit of sunscreen cream...SPF 30 should be OK :rolleyes:

[Lanbrown]

Too many features for such a small device to push. Now faster!

There are plenty of other phones that have even more features and they do not have this issue. There are phones that use the same main processor that Apple uses at the same clock speed and they do not have this issue. To be fair, Apple is behind on the features they provide.

Cut and paste: 2002
Full GPS navigation built-in: 2007
MMS: 2002
Multitasking OS: 2002
HTML email on a mobile phone: ~2004
The list can go on.

[hayesk]

One dude with a small blog hosted on Blogspot?

Really?

I mean ... REALLY? :eek:

I notice you conveniently ignored the google link showing several others having problems with their Curve. You claimed you never heard of anyone having a problem with their Curve overheating. Well, now you have.

Come on, homey, you can do better than that. I know you can. Doesn't the CEO of RIMM club baby seals or something? I read it on Blogspot somewhere.

Hey, at least the author didn't blame Jesus and the nation of China, though.

There is a difference between logic and religion.

Yes, and you seem to be applying no logic whatsoever. I never claimed no iPhone ever overheated. You claimed you've never heard of a BB Curve overheating. A simple google search (like the one I provided) shows lots of people having a problem with their Curves - but you chose to ignore it because it doesn't fit with your anti-Apple vitriol - geez, and you want to talk about religion. :rolleyes:

I don't give a $*^& about RIMM and wouldn't shed a tear if they went under tomorrow (it's a company, not a deity), but my Curve has been chugging along for 2 years and it's as fast as it's ever been.

As is mine and most users' iPhones.

Oh yeah, I live in Las Vegas. 105 degrees today and I've had it out in the heat several times.

And I've used my iPhone in a hot car - what is your point?

Everybody I work with has one.

And millions of people have iPhones - a good many of them in California, Las Vegas, and Texas - they're not reporting overheating problems either.

Not a single person has slowed down or overheated yet, but I'll let you know as soon as that happens.

At that point, validation shall be yours!

Now go pray to Steve and sniff the glorious mound of poop which smells like roses.

Oh yeah ... bring money.

Ah... you can't support your "All BB Curves are perfect, Apple is the devil" argument, so you bring up the tired old unsubstantiated "let's worship Steve" argument. Come on - better trolls at least try to come up with something substantial.

[Goona]

There are plenty of other phones that have even more features and they do not have this issue. There are phones that use the same main processor that Apple uses at the same clock speed and they do not have this issue. To be fair, Apple is behind on the features they provide.

Cut and paste: 2002
Full GPS navigation built-in: 2007
MMS: 2002
Multitasking OS: 2002
HTML email on a mobile phone: ~2004
The list can go on.

So?

[hayesk]

Apple has been having thermal issues for so long that I can't help but think that they really don't care all that much.

Put your money where you mouth is - I challenge you to find statistics proving that Apple's products had more thermal issues more than any other vendor.

There's a reason that Apple Care is ridiculously expensive. Apple knows a huge amount of machines are going to fail.

Again - show us proof their failure rate is more than the industry. Funny how I keep reading on how they top customer satisfaction surveys.

But you have to give it to them.

Whether you can use it or not, it looks really nice.

And really, isn't that the point?

Think different!

Actually the point is making logical decision on which tool provides the most productivity. Aesthetics are just an added benefit.

The point is not exaggerating about a few problem units as if they were endemic to the entire platform and every one of its users.

The point is certainly not trolling on a forum against a highly ranked company just because you don't like them for whatever superficial reasons you may have.

[Inspace]

When I saw this post, the first thing that came to mind are the millions of discoloured white macbooks floating around. I figured that Apple would have figured this one out by now. This doesn't surprise me at all.

[MorphingDragon]

At least I'm allowed to tether on Verizon. Bluetooth $10? That's just ignorant. Good thing Apple and AT&T have never crippled the iPhone.

AT&T isnt world wide. Vodafone announced that they support tethering.

Try telling that to blackberry owners.

Good thing I dont live in a country with crappy providers (Oh wait theres telecom) Fine we have one decent provider. So 50% of NZ providers provide good service!!! :D

[Bubba Satori]

"It's only a flesh wound."

[Infrared]

Apple is responding to FUD. Plain and simple. They're addressing this issue because it's deliberately being blown out of proportion and the last thing they want is defamatory garbage being spread about a device they just released. It's damage-control they shouldn't have to do in the first place. And even the support article from Apple is being misunderstood completely (often deliberately, it would seem.)

Who would stand to benefit if some "iPhone problem" could be successfully ginned up in the press? Even one as far-fetched as Apple failing to do elementary product research? Apple knows all about thermal dissipation in small handheld devices, people. It's just a mistake that's very unlikely to have been made by Apple. Maybe, just maybe, besides being overblown, it's being planted by someone or some group for some reason? Follow the money. Apple's in the process of rearranging entire industries; some of the old guard have nothing left but FUD.

You think it could've been Nixon?

[Bubba Satori]

I think these are isolated incidents, just as a dead pixel or loose button would be. These things happen and that is why we have a warranty.

If, however, I am wrong, and there is a fault with all of the 3GS then surely a software update could address this by changing how the hardware is used?

Yeah, they could throttle back performance like they did with the junk nvidia 8000 video cards.

[Bubba Satori]

Apple is responding to FUD. Plain and simple. They're addressing this issue because it's deliberately being blown out of proportion and the last thing they want is defamatory garbage being spread about a device they just released. It's damage-control they shouldn't have to do in the first place. And even the support article from Apple is being misunderstood completely (often deliberately, it would seem.)

Who would stand to benefit if some "iPhone problem" could be successfully ginned up in the press? Even one as far-fetched as Apple failing to do elementary product research? Apple knows all about thermal dissipation in small handheld devices, people. It's just a mistake that's very unlikely to have been made by Apple. Maybe, just maybe, besides being overblown, it's being planted by someone or some group for some reason? Follow the money. Apple's in the process of rearranging entire industries; some of the old guard have nothing left but FUD.

We've seen this same last ditch attempt being deployed with the last several iPod and iPhone models and there are plenty of users who aren't complaining about any problem at all, much less "overheating."

http://derekpgilbert.com/wp-content/uploads/tin-foil-hat.jpg

[Infrared]

Hmmm...
Device with no overheating and promo picture with dirty fingernails -yep, that's definitely not Apple.

This whole affair is so typical of them. I've had a white 'CrackBook', it was running hot all the time and noisy. As mine was the 2nd generation, discolouration was not an issue. When the unibody MacBooks came out, I was not so wise, so I bought a first-gen Apple product. Big mistake! The display got upgraded, Firewire came back and the battery is now better. Of course, apart from the misaligned keys, I have to put up with constant fan noise, CPU whine and clicking HDD. Oh, and it's running hot, so the battery runtime is not very good either. On my girlfriend's MB Pro, the NVIDIA card is faulty - Apple actually admitted that problem.

Then you have the iPhone cracking problem from day 1...

WHEN WILL APPLE TAKE THE TIME TO TEST A PRODUCT PROPERLY, BEFORE RELEASE?! The profound clash between advertisements and reality is pathetic.

I've had five or six Apple computers in the last few years and I've always felt that they were just prototypes. This is especially true about the unibody MacBook - shame on Apple, releasing a fancy advert that focuses on finish, then providing me with this crap! I am looking forward to the day when we can have OS X or something newer on any hardware, we want.

They don't test OS X either ;)

[dangleheart]

There are plenty of other phones that have even more features and they do not have this issue. There are phones that use the same main processor that Apple uses at the same clock speed and they do not have this issue. To be fair, Apple is behind on the features they provide.

Cut and paste: 2002
Full GPS navigation built-in: 2007
MMS: 2002
Multitasking OS: 2002
HTML email on a mobile phone: ~2004
The list can go on.

Providing them is one thing, providing them usably is another matter. I do not recall millions of pairs of hands using those features in the years you quote.

[MorphingDragon]

http://derekpgilbert.com/wp-content/uploads/tin-foil-hat.jpg

The faces are priceless.

[xIGmanIx]

So?

We get it man, you buy what ever apple makes and defends it no matter what. How about instead of flaunting how you think you do one thing really well, do all things pretty good? Copy and Paste is a smelly diaper in the iPhone bin

[MorphingDragon]

We get it man, you buy what ever apple makes and defends it no matter what. How about instead of flaunting how you think you do one thing really well, do all things pretty good? Copy and Paste is a smelly diaper in the iPhone bin

Do people even use copy and paste on phones?

[twoodcc]

i sometimes use the gps while driving in the car. it better not stop working b/c of it

[kernkraft]

Apple is now largely a ghost company. They have an extremely bullied and secretive development team that cannot control production issues and it has one of the most powerful and aggressive legal team that is suing anything that moves. Litigation is now second nature to Apple. Meanwhile, it became the new Microsoft, exploiting its power and market position. How ironic?!

Once you outsource production to the Far East, you cannot control quality management properly - Apple should know, it used to make its own computers and that was the foundation of its excellent reputation. Today, overheating, CPU- HDD- and fan noise is the norm with cracking plastic cases. Not just for the iPhone, but for their computers too. On Monday, I will try to send my MacBook Air back to Apple. It has a high-pitched CPU noise that drives me mad. I'll argue, that it is unfit for purpose. Nobody should be put up with such issues with computers that cost the Earth. Also, once I've got the misaligned keyboard sorted with all the overheating and noise issues, I will put my 2.4 GHz unibody MacBook on Ebay. Then I'll buy a PC and I'll put OS X on it.

Does anybody know a good platform for an iPhone OS? I like the fancy ads, but I cannot pay the £440 for a handset, they charge in the UK. You know, Apple sucks, when from Stephen Fry through Jeremy Clarkson to elderly ladies and boring middle-aged bald men on the train, everybody is showing off their Apple products. It's time to go underground!:cool:

[MorphingDragon]

Apple is now largely a ghost company. They have an extremely bullied and secretive development team that cannot control production issues and it has one of the most powerful and aggressive legal team that is suing anything that moves. Litigation is now second nature to Apple. Meanwhile, it became the new Microsoft, exploiting its power and market position. How ironic?!

Once you outsource production to the Far East, you cannot control quality management properly - Apple should know, it used to make its own computers and that was the foundation of its excellent reputation. Today, overheating, CPU- HDD- and fan noise is the norm with cracking plastic cases. Not just for the iPhone, but for their computers too. On Monday, I will try to send my MacBook Air to Apple. It has a high-pitched CPU noise that drives me mad. I'll argue, that it is unfit for purpose. Nobody should be put up with such issues with computers that cost the Earth. Also, once I've got the misaligned keyboard sorted with all the overheating and noise issues, I will put my 2.4 GHz unibody MacBook on Ebay. Then I'll buy a PC and I'll put OS X on it.

Does anybody know a good platform for an iPhone OS? I like the fancy ads, but I cannot pay the £440 for a handset, they charge in the UK. You know, Apple sucks, when Stephen Fry through Jeremy Clarkson to elderly ladies and boring middle-aged bald men on the train, everybody is showing off their Apple products. It's time to go underground!:cool:

Get a Phystar Computer, A Palm Pre or HTC Magic? (I recommend the HTC Magic)

[gri]

The faces are priceless.

Especially the cat's one...

[veterator]

I thought the overheating was added design feature! I have been using mine to cook hotdogs in the car. :D

[*LTD*]

Apple is now largely a ghost company. They have an extremely bullied and secretive development team that cannot control production issues and it has one of the most powerful and aggressive legal team that is suing anything that moves. Litigation is now second nature to Apple. Meanwhile, it became the new Microsoft, exploiting its power and market position. How ironic?!

Once you outsource production to the Far East, you cannot control quality management properly - Apple should know, it used to make its own computers and that was the foundation of its excellent reputation. Today, overheating, CPU- HDD- and fan noise is the norm with cracking plastic cases. Not just for the iPhone, but for their computers too. On Monday, I will try to send my MacBook Air back to Apple. It has a high-pitched CPU noise that drives me mad. I'll argue, that it is unfit for purpose. Nobody should be put up with such issues with computers that cost the Earth. Also, once I've got the misaligned keyboard sorted with all the overheating and noise issues, I will put my 2.4 GHz unibody MacBook on Ebay. Then I'll buy a PC and I'll put OS X on it.

Does anybody know a good platform for an iPhone OS? I like the fancy ads, but I cannot pay the £440 for a handset, they charge in the UK. You know, Apple sucks, when from Stephen Fry through Jeremy Clarkson to elderly ladies and boring middle-aged bald men on the train, everybody is showing off their Apple products. It's time to go underground!:cool:

Yet Apple consistently rates #1 is customer satisfaction year after year after year. Top sellers on Amazon.com. The smallest contraction in computer sales in the entire industry in this economy, and currently a substantial surge in Mac sales. That doesn't happen by accident, year after year.

Seems to be your own bad luck at work here.