White iPhone 3GS Discoloration Due to Third-Party Cases, Not Overheating?

[MacRumors]

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Reports of overheating and discoloration (http://www.macrumors.com/2009/07/02/concerns-of-iphone-3gs-overheating-and-discoloration-gaining-publicity/) on the new white iPhone 3GS have been circulating over the past week or so, but a new report (http://www.frenchiphone.com/2009/07/02/nouveau-cas-de-surchauffe-pour-liphone-3gs/) [Google translation (http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=fr&u=http://www.frenchiphone.com/2009/07/02/nouveau-cas-de-surchauffe-pour-liphone-3gs)] from frenchiPhone (via Hardmac (http://www.hardmac.com/news/2009/07/05/iphone-3gs-turning-red-a-problem-with-some-protection-enclosure)) claims that the discoloration is due to contact with some third-party cases and not associated with overheating. The discoloration reportedly can be removed by wiping the back of the iPhone with alcohol.- After numerous calls to Apple technical service and maintenance of contact with a level 3 (engineer) the problem seems to come not from a hot 3GS but contact with some covers! This was evident by ourselves on a device with a small sticker (a warning not to listen to music too loud) remained stuck, part of the hull below remained white.

- A simple solution to the problem is to clean the back of the iPhone with alcohol, tested by myself I can confirm that it works and reassure you it is safe for your preciousNo details have yet been revealed on which third-party cases may be responsible for the discoloration.

Article Link: White iPhone 3GS Discoloration Due to Third-Party Cases, Not Overheating? (http://www.macrumors.com/2009/07/05/white-iphone-3gs-discoloration-due-to-third-party-cases-not-overheating/)

[Eidorian]

Might be time to get some higher quality chassis materials. It feels like the yellowing MacBooks all over again.

[om1]

Might be time to get some higher quality chassis materials. It feels like the yellowing MacBooks all over again.

Ehh, did you actually read the article?

[Eidorian]

Ehh, did you actually read the article?Who isn't going to use a case? Hell who isn't going to buy a Mac without getting a shell for it?

Scratch, fingerprint, and dent city. I need to get some Novus Polish for my MacBook.

[Nickel Dime Bay]

i just hope its not the switcheasy cases

[t7ray]

well.... i bet thats a big relief to apple.....

[InTheUnion]

I feel several thousand refunds for cases coming on! :p

[Nitrocide]

i just hope its not the switcheasy cases

At least it wont be permanent damage though, and generally im guessing the offending hue will be covered by the said case anyway.

Lol @ all the "here we go apple has screwed up" crew.

[Switz213]

Who isn't going to use a case? Hell who isn't going to buy a Mac without getting a shell for it?

Scratch, fingerprint, and dent city. I need to get some Novus Polish for my MacBook.

About 95% of people who own macs do not use shells, bud.

And double negative :p

i just hope its not the switcheasy cases

I had a Switcheasy on my 3G for months. It's fine.

[Henriok]

Can the protective cases even be the cause of the overheating? Most of plastic or rubber will certainly insulate the heat inside the device and not dissipate it.

[nfl46]

Haha, people need to apologize to Apple and blame the case manufacturers. Lol.

YAY! I just hope my Griffin Reveal don't cause this on my white 3G S.

[Nodnarb]

Ok. So we can use alcohol. But what do we use to apply/wipe it with? Lint-free cloth, tissue, etc..?

[nfl46]

Can the protective cases even be the cause of the overheating? Most of plastic or rubber will certainly insulate the heat inside the device and not dissipate it.
Just wipe off the iPhone w/ alcohol and keep it moving...lol.

[extraextra]

That's probably why we don't hear about overheating from black iPhones.

Something similar happened with my Macbook, except instead of a case, the dye from my jeans rubbed off on it. :(

Can the protective cases even be the cause of the overheating? Most of plastic or rubber will certainly insulate the heat inside the device and not dissipate it.

Unless the case covers all the openings... I don't think so. I have been using plastic, silicone and rubber cases for a year now with no overheating (that I know of).

[Warbrain]

Who isn't going to use a case? Hell who isn't going to buy a Mac without getting a shell for it?

Scratch, fingerprint, and dent city. I need to get some Novus Polish for my MacBook.

Do I have these cases? Yes. Do I use them? No. People need to get over their OCD and just use devices.

But this isn't because of poor Apple quality - this is a white device getting dirty no matter what.

[Erwin-Br]

Who isn't going to use a case? Hell who isn't going to buy a Mac without getting a shell for it?

Scratch, fingerprint, and dent city. I need to get some Novus Polish for my MacBook.

Eh, me? What's the point of protecting the case if you don't see it anyway? If I have to choose between an ugly case or a few scratches you only see from short distance, it's simple for me.

[Elzlaik]

Who isn't going to use a case? Hell who isn't going to buy a Mac without getting a shell for it?

Scratch, fingerprint, and dent city. I need to get some Novus Polish for my MacBook.

Uh, me for one. Cases take away from the innate sexiness and the invisible skins don't feel right. Despite my old 3G's nudity, it didn't gain a scratch last year. If someone as clumsy as me can get away without a case anyone can.

My Macbook Pro also kicks it in the buff and looks flawless.

[The Samurai]

Apple execs must be taking a deep breath now lol.

I bet that shut all the critics up.

[iNassar]

lol i bet even jobs got scared for a sec

[yorkshire]

My white 3GS has 2 small marks from the case, it hasn't really bothered me, but now it is widespread, I wonder how I can best get it off? What product to people recommend most for cleaning it?

[Outsider]

Who isn't going to use a case? Hell who isn't going to buy a Mac without getting a shell for it?

Scratch, fingerprint, and dent city. I need to get some Novus Polish for my MacBook.

Most iPhones I've seen have cases on them. I have never seen a Mac laptop with one of those skin/protectors on it. I've worked at companies with dozens or , in some cases, hundreds of Mac laptops.

When I get my iPhone, I'll be getting a case/skin for it. But I'll also be getting the black one ;)

[Romanesq]

People will report their hot iPhones and the cases. I bet the heavy cases are not helping if folks have them sitting in their cars under sunlight using GPS.

[patrickvanzandt]

Uh, me for one. Cases take away from the innate sexiness and the invisible skins don't feel right. Despite my old 3G's nudity, it didn't gain a scratch last year. If someone as clumsy as me can get away without a case anyone can.

My Macbook Pro also kicks it in the buff and looks flawless.

My thoughts exactly. I have never understood the obsession of some iPhone users with keeping their precious device in an ugly case. It's like buying a new car, then leaving it in the garage all the time because you're afraid of a scratch. Both my iPhone and iPhone 3G have survived for year of usage without a case and nothing but very minor scratches.

[shadowfax]

Armadale is recommended. Smirnoff will upset your iPhone's finish. But you were thinking Everclear, weren't you? Shame on you, you should buy a Palm Pre.

[bmms8]

the case shown in that picture is a sena ultraslim case. i had that exact same case with my white iphone 3g. i can agree than when putting a warm phone in the case that it would get even hotter. it makes sense that it would get. my phone would only get hot when i would run two ram intense applications at the same time. i love the ultraslim case though!

[Povilas]

If this turns out to be true i'm very happy for 3GS owners.

[grapemac]

Not a response to the article, as such, but more to the comments so far...

I've still to find a single reason to get a case for my 12 month old 3G. Originally i did get the InvisibleShield but, after the corners became a bit tacky and dirty, i took it off only to realise there is no need for a case/protector at all. I've no idea what exactly i thought i'd be doing with it to think i needed the InvisibleShield.

Someone mentioned a shell for their MacBook? Why does anyone need a shell for their laptop? What are you doing with it?

[TheAngusBurger]

Surely if you're using a case the discolouration won't be visible anyway?

[BMac702]

Who isn't going to use a case? Hell who isn't going to buy a Mac without getting a shell for it?

Me. White MacBook and White iPhone are both naked and look great. Why ruin the sexy form of the iPhone with a bulky case? It makes it look ugly.

[sgbett]

I was in two minds about getting a case for my iPhone, but decided not to bother as I too thought it seemed crazy to have such a nice looking device and keep it hidden away in a case - 6 months on and there is hardly a scratch on it - I think the materials they use seem to be getting far better.

I can understand why people might use one for, say, impact protection but its all solid state, so unless you drop it out of a 4th story window its probably going to be alright for the odd knock off the table. I guess each to there own preference.

As for the MBP never used a case/shell for that either.

[bacaramac]

I will stick with my black iPhone and the best case ever invented, the Incase Slider in matte black FTW. I use cases to prevent damage when dropping phone, not because I am concerned with scratches.

[LeoFio]

got the white 3gs...no case for me, just a screen protector

It's far too beautiful to be kept covered up.

[Tastic Bycrom]

I put dirt on my iPhone and now my iPhone is dirty... give me money.

Once again, not shocked if this was a hoax.... not caring if it wasn't. The only way to keep something in perfect condition is to never bother using it. Sooner or later it'll get discolored, scratch, or dented.... the important point is: does it still work?

[Saladinos]

All I know is my gut says ROFL.

[thegoldenmackid]

I still don't understand why this is a problem, it's an atheistic issue, next people are going to start complaining about the bezel being scratched.

[bdkennedy1]

Chinese manufacture best for American super iPhone.

[weave]

I got a Mopie.com Juice Pack -- which is a case with a backup-battery embedded in it. It's real handy to flip it on to recharge the iphone when not around, but while it's in charge mode -- that sucker can get warm.

I only flip it on whenever I need to recharge my iphone on the go and when it's recharging, I don't do anything else on it.

Just in case...

[LagunaSol]

I wonder if the TV news programs that aired this "problem" will now run an updated story absolving Apple from blame?

Answer: no.

[ltldrummerboy]

I wondered if this might be the case.

snort

[andy721]

christ.
Anything else going to happen to the white iphones?

[JeffDM]

My thoughts exactly. I have never understood the obsession of some iPhone users with keeping their precious device in an ugly case. It's like buying a new car, then leaving it in the garage all the time because you're afraid of a scratch. Both my iPhone and iPhone 3G have survived for year of usage without a case and nothing but very minor scratches.

Ugh, lame car metaphor strikes again. Most people don't touch their cars the way they would handle a phone.

Not a response to the article, as such, but more to the comments so far...

I've still to find a single reason to get a case for my 12 month old 3G. Originally i did get the InvisibleShield but, after the corners became a bit tacky and dirty, i took it off only to realise there is no need for a case/protector at all. I've no idea what exactly i thought i'd be doing with it to think i needed the InvisibleShield.

Sometimes accidents happen, and small handheld devices aren't necessarily equivalent in handling as a notebook. I made the mistake of going without a case in my iPhone, accidentally dropped my phone onto concrete and cracked the screen. I'm certain it wouldn't have cracked if it was in a case. Very few use a shell, but the nearest equivalent is using a notebook bag, the bag is going to provide some protection, not to mention, an easy handle to carry with. I can't say I know a lot of people that carry their notebooks around without a bag.

[DeuceDeuce]

Who isn't going to use a case? Hell who isn't going to buy a Mac without getting a shell for it?

Scratch, fingerprint, and dent city. I need to get some Novus Polish for my MacBook.

Me ;)

[BRLawyer]

Haha, people need to apologize to Apple and blame the case manufacturers. Lol.

YAY! I just hope my Griffin Reveal don't cause this on my white 3G S.

Yet another victory for Apple and its industry-leading iPhone against disinformation. That's the problem with the Internet nowadays...stupid individuals post these lies as "news", which are only corrected after more serious investigations show that they are plain BS, at the expense of the company producing the device concerned.

These morons, probably PC fanboys, should be sued and arrested for corporate libel...the damage that can be caused to Apple in terms of ceasing profits is amazing.

[djellison]

Ehh, did you actually read the article?

Have you read Apple's list of things to stop it happening.

THey don't include 'clean it off'

Are we to believe that not only did Apple admit to their being a problem, (which is rare) but that they admitted to a problem that doesn't exist.

[Signal-11]

Who isn't going to use a case? Hell who isn't going to buy a Mac without getting a shell for it?

Scratch, fingerprint, and dent city. I need to get some Novus Polish for my MacBook.

Me.

I've never used a case for my iPhones unless I need something waterproof/dustproof.

Same for my Apple laptops. I find cure is much worse than the disease for most cases and shells.

[aristotle]

LOL I knew this was much ado about nothing.
:D

[MarkMS]

the case shown in that picture is a sena ultraslim case. i had that exact same case with my white iphone 3g. i can agree than when putting a warm phone in the case that it would get even hotter. it makes sense that it would get. my phone would only get hot when i would run two ram intense applications at the same time. i love the ultraslim case though!

I use a black Ultraslim from Sena for my 3GS and I have had no problems with it getting hot even after running a bunch of apps for a while. But since my iPhone is black, I really don't know if the Sena case is causing the discolorations.

[lavem]

I can understand why people might use one for, say, impact protection but its all solid state, so unless you drop it out of a 4th story window its probably going to be alright for the odd knock off the table. I guess each to there own preference.



Ahhh impact protecton. I had my 3G in my jeans pocket, came off my bike at about 10-15mph, landed on the wrong side pretty hard. Had severe hand pain too but checked the phone to see it looked perfect, not a scratch and the screen was fine. The screen was against my leg so I'm glad it didn't break!

Later on I actually powered the phone up to use it and find it in a bad way. Scrambled graphics which got progressively worse until the whole thing packed in.

I had an X-Ray and had broken two bones in my hand! Not a good day at all.

My new 3G is in an Otterbox, it is ugly. No no. It is uglier than a ugly thing with extra ugliness wrapped around it but I know how flexible the back of that phone is. It will bend like a rubber ball, after an impact it pops back into shape and looks perfect again. Just a shame the insides get crushed in the process.

Personally I think those plastic slip on covers and silicone cases are a waste of time, ruin the look and don't offer any real protection. I know I've ruined the look of mine but at least it will take a beating and doesn't stain :p

[slicecom]

Yet another reason for people to stop putting their beautiful Apple products in ugly cases.

[iphoneftw]

the case shown in that picture is a sena ultraslim case. i had that exact same case with my white iphone 3g. i can agree than when putting a warm phone in the case that it would get even hotter. it makes sense that it would get. my phone would only get hot when i would run two ram intense applications at the same time. i love the ultraslim case though!

i had the sena ultra slim then got smart and went completly naked perfection use the iphone in its natural state

[markm49uk]

Who isn't going to use a case? Hell who isn't going to buy a Mac without getting a shell for it?

Scratch, fingerprint, and dent city. I need to get some Novus Polish for my MacBook.

I just don't get why people feel the need to cover phones etc with crappy covers that take away from the overall design of the device.

Get over it - it's just a bloody phone that is totally scratch proof on the front (unless you seriously set out to deface it) and whilst the back does get scratched, so what ????

Mine has survived multiple drops including onto concrete - it's one of the best built phones around.

Sorry for the rant but phone covers and holders are just so 90's !

[iphoneftw]

Yet another reason for people to stop putting their beautiful Apple products in ugly cases.

beautiful products dont deserve ugly cases thats the reason to go naked

[kas23]

I haven't read this whole thread, but if it's the covers causing this discolorization, why didn't we experience this with the white 3G's?

[marv08]

No details have yet been revealed on which third-party cases may be responsible for the discoloration.

Hmm, if it can be wiped off, still calling it "discoloration" makes little sense?

[Apple Corps]

Who isn't going to use a case? Hell who isn't going to buy a Mac without getting a shell for it?

Scratch, fingerprint, and dent city. I need to get some Novus Polish for my MacBook.

+3 or whatever - I run my business on Macs as well as several at home. NEVER used any of the tacky add on protective stuff - my gear is used daily - reasonable care is exercised - there are no dents / scratches / issues. My upgrade cycle tends to run about three - four years - no garage queens here and they hold up very very well.

My 3G S - only a single screen protector - still not sure I needed that but I succumbed :rolleyes:

[xIGmanIx]

i am sure it is important to those affected, but seriously, something else besides the iPhone

[kas23]

Another thing I don't understand is how everyone poo-poo'd the original Fox News report of the discolorization, saying it probably wasn't true and it was from an illegit news source. However, now, some obscure French blog says otherwise and now everyone is all relieved? I'm certainly not wishing ill-will towards people's purchases, but let's use some common sense and just see how this plays out. The translation said he got this info from the Apple tech line. Of course, they were going to blame it on something else.

[cdinca]

I still don't understand why this is a problem, it's an atheistic issue, next people are going to start complaining about the bezel being scratched.

Please explain this.

[iphoneftw]

I haven't read this whole thread, but if it's the covers causing this discolorization, why didn't we experience this with the white 3G's?

we didnt expierience it cause its not true and also maybe because the iphone 3g has a less powerfull processor

[sam10685]

Who isn't going to use a case? Hell who isn't going to buy a Mac without getting a shell for it?

Scratch, fingerprint, and dent city. I need to get some Novus Polish for my MacBook.

Get some Turtle wax while your at it.

[Eidorian]

Get some Turtle wax while your at it.That doesn't sound to safe. Just checking the MSDS for the Mr. Clean Magic Eraser makes me cringe.

[eji]

Please explain this.

I think he means "aesthetic" or "esthetic," not atheistic.

But, in his defense, I did start complaining about scuffs and scratches on my iPhone when I stopped believing in God. Odd, that. Maybe it was the solace of prayer that kept me silent before.

[Chupa Chupa]

I just don't get why people feel the need to cover phones etc with crappy covers that take away from the overall design of the device.

Get over it - it's just a bloody phone that is totally scratch proof on the front (unless you seriously set out to deface it) and whilst the back does get scratched, so what ????

Mine has survived multiple drops including onto concrete - it's one of the best built phones around.

Sorry fir the rant but phone covers and holders are just so 90's !



1) Covers help with the grip and also cushion a fall if it does drop. The iPhone case doesn't exactly stick to your hand. Your's may have survived drops onto concrete, but it's all about physics. If it drops at the wrong angle or height it will break. It's not indestructible.

2) Scratches and dents are ugly and unprofessional looking.

I have a black silicon skin. Not really sure what is so "90s" about it.

[*LTD*]

Seems iPhone quality isn't the problem (like sensible people have been saying), but rather, poor-quality cases. And there are planty of lousy cases out there.

And by the way, who the hell uses a shell with a Macbook?? Phones I can understand, but people really need to take better care of their notebooks.

[Concorde Rules]

beautiful products dont deserve ugly cases thats the reason to go naked

Sadly after denting my 2G 2 days before it was meant to be sold, my 3GS is going in a case.

I bought it because it is a good phone, and it is useful to me, not to show off or have it as a fashion thing as most of the people I know.

It is a tool, not a fashion statement. I want to keep it pristine and protected to A) Keep the warranty and B) Keep its resale value.

[Darkroom]

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[Eidorian]

And by the way, who the hell uses a shell with a Macbook?? Phones I can understand, but people really need to take better care of their notebooks.Speck products need not apply?

[Darkroom]

I was in two minds about getting a case for my iPhone, but decided not to bother as I too thought it seemed crazy to have such a nice looking device and keep it hidden away in a case - 6 months on and there is hardly a scratch on it - I think the materials they use seem to be getting far better.

I just don't get why people feel the need to cover phones etc with crappy covers that take away from the overall design of the device.

Get over it - it's just a bloody phone that is totally scratch proof on the front (unless you seriously set out to deface it) and whilst the back does get scratched, so what ????

Mine has survived multiple drops including onto concrete - it's one of the best built phones around.

Sorry for the rant but phone covers and holders are just so 90's !

i totally agree. apple charges a premium for their designs, why hide it and make it bulky? i never bought a case for my 2nd gen. iPod Touch, even though i tried (all the cases i bought were ugly or just made the device more difficult to use). now after over a year of riding bare in my pocket or being tossed around elsewhere, the device is still completely fine.

[cdinca]

I think he means "aesthetic" or "esthetic," not atheistic.

But, in his defense, I did start complaining about scuffs and scratches on my iPhone when I stopped believing in God. Odd, that. Maybe it was the solace of prayer that kept me silent before.

In rereading several times, I fear that you are correct. I was hoping for so much more :(

[markm49uk]

1) Covers help with the grip and also cushion a fall if it does drop. The iPhone case doesn't exactly stick to your hand. Your's may have survived drops onto concrete, but it's all about physics. If it drops at the wrong angle or height it will break. It's not indestructible.

2) Scratches and dents are ugly and unprofessional looking.

I have a black silicon skin. Not really sure what is so "90s" about it.

Yes but its a trade off against the look of the phone and the perceived risks which people must make - I haven't used a cover on any phone since my first in the early 90's.

What really gets me though is screen protectors - the iphone has a tempered glass front which is virtually scratchproof !

In my opinion covers and skins are just as ugly as a few scratches etc.

[thegoldenmackid]

In rereading several times, I fear that you are correct. I was hoping for so much more :(

Yes. Spelling and post 4th of July not so much of the greatest thing. Safari is auto-correcting and I'm looking at the screen, but I'm not so much reading. But, if you believe in religion then your discoloring will go away, I promise; either that or you will realize there are probably larger issues then your iPhone.

[saint.duo]

None of my macs have shields/covers on them; though I do have microfiber cloths in between the keyboard and screen when I close them to prevent finger oils from getting on the screens.

My iPhone is in a leather incase belt clip case. Why? Because I keep it clipped to my jeans pocket when I'm not using it, plus it gives me a little grip.

My wife's iPhone has never had a case, just a matte screen cover because she likes the way it looks. Its been dropped a few times (2 years old, got it launch week), but until this weekend it wasn't an issue. Friday she dropped her purse in a parking lot, with the iPhone in it, and it just happened to hit just wrong to smash in the power button and dent the metal around it. Bad luck...
Luckily I just got a 3Gs so I gave her my old first gen iPhone and moved her sim card over. Still no case and I'm not worried about it.

[winterspan]

That makes sense given that the discoloration wasn't occurring on the tapered edges of the back. People thought the discoloration was extending to the outline of the battery, but it was probably the 3rd party case not hugging the tapered edges and only making contact on the flat back!

[optophobia]

Who isn't going to use a case? Hell who isn't going to buy a Mac without getting a shell for it?

Scratch, fingerprint, and dent city. I need to get some Novus Polish for my MacBook.

ME.
I have never bought 'shells' for any of my PowerBooks, MacBooks iBooks or Macbook pros. Neither have I ever used a case for my iPhone 2G , 3G or 3GS and don't plan to either.
MacBooks and iPhones are
made to be naked.

[billystlyes]

Sorry but, it's from overheating. My friend is going bareback with his 16GB 3GS and the thing is turing brownish orange under the Apple logo (to the left). He's never had it in a case once. It just has an invisibleSHIELD on the front.

[philamac]

I have a 3GS, and after playing with it for a while, it definitely gives off a warm fuzzy feeling. But while the increase in heat generated from the 3GS might be within Apple's design specifications....

I can tell you it's not in the case manufacturer's design specs since most cases available now are just re branded to say it fits with the 3GS because, dimension-wise, it's the same. Later they'll probably re-release 3GS specific cases made with plastics that can better handle the 3GS's more intense heat rate.

PS - all you lemmings out there need to realize that YES the iPhone is a beautiful phone, but not everybody wants their phone to look exactly the same as everyone else's. Sometimes cases are used more for customizing and individualizing a phone than protecting it.

[update] from reports like the post before mine...I question whether or not the increased heat rate of the 3GS is even within Apple's design specs. Apple does have a history of denying anything wrong with their products until it gets really bad ..aka iphone nano 1st gen...faulty nvidia chips... etc

[charlituna]

Might be time to get some higher quality chassis materials. It feels like the yellowing MacBooks all over again.



the problem is with the case, not the phone. it's like when you buy some dyed materials and the ink rubs off onto the sofa.

and i'm not shocked about this new report. despite claims I only saw one report of a 'heat discolored' iphone that was reposted like 100 times. no other claims. and generally when it is real you have folks on every board coming out to claim it happened to them, to a friend, to the boyfriend, to the boss etc.

[Signal-11]

PS - all you lemmings out there need to realize that YES the iPhone is a beautiful phone, but not everybody wants their phone to look exactly the same as everyone else's. Sometimes cases are used more for customizing and individualizing a phone than protecting it.

"You are all individuals!"
"We are all individuals!"
"I'm not!"

[canadianpj]

Sorry but, it's from overheating. My friend is going bareback with his 16GB 3GS and the thing is turing brownish orange under the Apple logo (to the left). He's never had it in a case once. It just has an invisibleSHIELD on the front.

Really? I would be very curious to see a picture of that phone. Which I assume you don't or cannot obtain.

[MrCrowbar]

Me. White MacBook and White iPhone are both naked and look great. Why ruin the sexy form of the iPhone with a bulky case? It makes it look ugly.

Agreed. I carry my original iPhone in my Jeans' pocket all the time. The chrome got a dent from when it fell down on a metal grille and the aluminum back is pretty scratched from people sliding and spinning it around on tabletops. The glass is scratch-free though.

I don't like cases either. The device was crafted in a way that it is ergonomically nice. Making it thicker and uglier with a case is kinda dumb I think. But I guess it makes sense for careless people who drop their stuff a lot or want to resell it quickly to get the newest one. I don't really treasure my Macs or iPhone, but my 3 year old matte black Macbook look like new once I cleaned it.

[NATO]

I've never understood the obsession with ugly cases for iPhones/iPods. No other portable products seem to breed this massive market for godawful cases that make the product look unimaginably ugly AND make it a lot bulkier. Apple spend a lot of time on the aesthetics of their products and frankly I think people do it a disservice by putting ugly cases on their products. (I know it's all personal preference, but that's just the way I see it).

It's weird actually, I know a few people who asked me about buying an iPhone or an iPod Touch and I advised them accordingly. What surprised me was that in the same conversation about what product to buy etc, they also asked for my advice on what cases to get for them as they've 'heard that they're easily scratched'. :rolleyes:

I personally keep my iPhone in an iPod sock for when it's in my pocket to avoid lint/scratches. As soon as I'm actually using it, it's used as Apple intended.

[AppleiJoshua]

Another thing I don't understand is how everyone poo-poo'd the original Fox News report of the discolorization, saying it probably wasn't true and it was from an illegit news source. However, now, some obscure French blog says otherwise and now everyone is all relieved? I'm certainly not wishing ill-will towards people's purchases, but let's use some common sense and just see how this plays out. The translation said he got this info from the Apple tech line. Of course, they were going to blame it on something else.

You really think people would be able to clean off their phones if it was actually caused by the plastic itself changing color due to heat? I mean, really? Just think about that for a second. And Fox is notorious for slandering things just for ratings. How do you get people talking? Try to discredit one of the most popular items in the last 10 years. It's worked hasn't it? You wanna talk trash about Apple, then do everyone a favor..give your stuff away to people who actually want it and get the ***** off this forum.

[smiddlehurst]

Umm, I know this is going to sound like a silly question but if this is a case problem... why didn't it appear on the white 3G iPhone?

Face facts folks, something isn't quite right with the 3GS. Apple are clearly pushing the boundaries of the cooling system and if something as simple as putting it in case can cause issues then something ain't right.

[CaptainCannabis]

Apple always makes a mess with overheating products.

I still remember my MBA first gen... yeah... good memories... especially because they will never admit it was a ****** faulty product... never give you the money back, or replace it for a new product... just trying to watch a youtube video was an amazing experience... (notice the irony)... for those $3o0o I could've bought 15 faulty white 3GS iPhones...

[Warbrain]

Yes but its a trade off against the look of the phone and the perceived risks which people must make - I haven't used a cover on any phone since my first in the early 90's.

What really gets me though is screen protectors - the iphone has a tempered glass front which is virtually scratchproof !

In my opinion covers and skins are just as ugly as a few scratches etc.

The glass isn't exactly scratchproof. I've had an iPhone that had a scratched screen. The main reason why I use a screen protector is because the matte ones from Power Support hide the finger smudges.

Sorry but, it's from overheating. My friend is going bareback with his 16GB 3GS and the thing is turing brownish orange under the Apple logo (to the left). He's never had it in a case once. It just has an invisibleSHIELD on the front.

Pictures...

[Goona]

So all this ruckus because it happened to one phone from France?

[Master Chief]

Well, if it was caused by a certain brand/type third-party case... then more/other iPhone users should see the same discoloring and be able to wipe it off with alcohol. In which case Apple should know about this pretty soon, and if not; then this is another waste bin story.

OT: My black 3GS is running pretty hot with in car GPS (with the AC on) and the battery is empty in no time when removed from the cradle.

[Marlor]

Might be time to get some higher quality chassis materials. It feels like the yellowing MacBooks all over again.

The dye from the case is rubbing off on the phone (presumably moreso when it is hot). The phone material isn't a problem. If the case isn't colour-fast, then its dye is going to rub off, no matter what the phone is made of.

[Digital Dude]

Ok, sounds promising although I believe that Apple screwed up with an unrealistic approach to size vs. function with the iPhone. They made the device so thin that its battery drains quickly and it will demonstrate other heat related issues more readily.
Regards,

[AppleiJoshua]

Umm, I know this is going to sound like a silly question but if this is a case problem... why didn't it appear on the white 3G iPhone?

Face facts folks, something isn't quite right with the 3GS. Apple are clearly pushing the boundaries of the cooling system and if something as simple as putting it in case can cause issues then something ain't right.

Yes, the 3GS does put off more heat than the 3G. Enough to cause this level of "damage," no. And if it's an actual threat to the well being of yourself or your property, it's addressed VERY seriously at Apple. The reason the phone gets WARMER(a better word than "hotter") is, it's hardware is way better while still keeping the same size. Apple gets demands from it's customers to have faster, thinner items. Also, companies who make 3rd party accessories(i.e. cases) demand that new items from Apple work with existing accessories to save them money. So while attempted to meet those demands for 3rd party companies, it seems the cases for the 3G don't fully agree with the COSMETIC part of the WHITE iPhone. I'm sure soon, companies will begin to make cases that fit around the corners better, while giving the back some room to breath. People need to understand that hardware of this spec will get warm. Other phones aren't immune to this either. Apple just catches the most because 1, people think these phones should do everything for them..including wiping their butts, and 2 the iPhone is the most successful innovative phone of it's kind. I know most people on here proudly say "iPhone :D" when asked what kind of phone they have. And people who don't own the phones gawk at their friends, spouses, co-workers who have the phones. It's that success that make other companies or "haters" want to slander Apple and their products.

[vansouza]

That is why I got the black unit.. who on earth can keep anything white? and what do you do after Labor Day??? :eek:

[designgeek]

I figured it would be something like this. My ear buds started to turn blue after spending some time in my suitcase in between pairs of jeans.

[makktrakker]

"You are all individuals!"
"We are all individuals!"
"I'm not!"

life of brian, love it. seriously. if you put covers on your iphone (or mac )any make or model you are making a constrain to battery power, more heat less battery lifetime... thats just facts...

m

[wizard]

Who isn't going to use a case? Hell who isn't going to buy a Mac without getting a shell for it?

I'm not even sure what you are talking about here. A Mac is not a turtle, it doesn't need a shell.

Scratch, fingerprint, and dent city. I need to get some Novus Polish for my MacBook.

My iPhone is a working tool, it is not a fashion statement. That doesn't mean I haven't looked at cases for my iPhone, it's just that the ones I've seen add very little to the product.


Dave

[Warbrain]

That is why I got the black unit.. who on earth can keep anything white? and what do you do after Labor Day??? :eek:

Exactly. I only went with the white MacBook because of how much money I had. I got the black iPhone because it looks better and won't stain.

[HLdan]

Might be time to get some higher quality chassis materials. It feels like the yellowing MacBooks all over again.

Sheesh, did you even READ the article? Do you ever READ what you write sometimes??? Until you decide to post more presumably informed responses, please do us all a favor and don't. :p

[Master Chief]

...
Nice link in your sig, but not all hero's are dead you know ;)

I figured it would be something like this. My ear buds started to turn blue after spending some time in my suitcase in between pairs of jeans.
Oh man that reminds me about something – I used Tiger balm (http://www.tigerbalm.com/) and that turned my ear bud cables red (what a shocker) :D

[*LTD*]

So all this ruckus because it happened to one phone from France?

Yes.

[phreebees]

my friends iphone got the discoloration, without a case. so it does appear that overheating is really an issue.

[AppleiJoshua]

my friends iphone got the discoloration, without a case. so it does appear that overheating is really an issue.

Pictures. None of this "my friend.." bs Because we're all sooo ready to believe you and your "friend," based on a comment on a forum.

[Master Chief]

my friends iphone got the discoloration, without a case. so it does appear that overheating is really an issue.
And he's not a painter? Seriously, you or your friend should add a picture – some people here are notorious flamers.

[Fibbons]

What I find bizarre is that people were taking their phones back due to the discoloration which they couldn't even see without taking the case off!

[Busters]

Apple execs must be taking a deep breath now lol.

I bet that shut all the critics up.

If you really think that is all it will take to shut up all the Mac critics then you haven't been paying attention.

[aristotle]

my friends iphone got the discoloration, without a case. so it does appear that overheating is really an issue.
What colour is the discolouration? Is your friend a heavy smoker? If a heavy smoker's fingers get yellow, what do you think happens to a white iPhone?

[Master Chief]

What I find bizarre is that people were taking their phones back due to the discoloration which they couldn't even see without taking the case off!
Exactly!

And why on earth would anyone in a right mindset purchase a white iPhone... to put it in a some case?!?

[Warbrain]

my friends iphone got the discoloration, without a case. so it does appear that overheating is really an issue.

And he's not a painter? Seriously, you or your friend should add a picture – some people here are notorious flamers.

I just want pictures so we know that there's more than one case of this happening.

[jayducharme]

I wanted a case for my black iPhone just in case I get butterfingers. For about a year I had a silicone case from more-thing. It eventually got stretched out. I hunted for a new one that wasn't bulky but would protect it well and also allow easy access to the dock connector. I finally found the perfect case at the AT&T store, of all places. It's sleek; I can hardly tell it's there. And it was on close-out for $5. Plus it has the added bonus of fooling people into thinking I got a white iPhone. :cool:

http://www.karenandjay.com/misc/iphone_case.jpg

[Pika]

I've been using this OtterBox for a while now and never had this decoloration.

http://www.extremepda.com/Merchant2/graphics/00000001/IPHONE-3G-OB2600-LG.jpg

Most of you idiots saying "IT'S UGLY" aren't ever going to need a case that will withstand the abuse snowboarding, camping, paintball, or such things that would demand this extremely abuse-proof case that without would destroy an expensive ass phone. Not to mention it's not like you can't take the phone out if you go to the mall with your preppy friends.

[Warbrain]

I wanted a case for my black iPhone just in case I get butterfingers. For about a year I had a silicone case from more-thing. It eventually got stretched out. I hunted for a new one that wasn't bulky but would protect it well and also allow easy access to the dock connector. I finally found the perfect case at the AT&T store, of all places. It's sleek; I can hardly tell it's there. And it was on close-out for $5. Plus it has the added bonus of fooling people into thinking I got a white iPhone. :cool:

http://www.karenandjay.com/misc/iphone_case.jpg

That thing will get disgustingly dirty. The Incipio Feather in white is known for this.

[frdmfghtr]

My thoughts exactly. I have never understood the obsession of some iPhone users with keeping their precious device in an ugly case. It's like buying a new car, then leaving it in the garage all the time because you're afraid of a scratch. Both my iPhone and iPhone 3G have survived for year of usage without a case and nothing but very minor scratches.

It's not just cosmetics...I have a matte black snap-on case for the back of my 3GS because it's easier to grip than the glossy black plastic shell.

[NinjaHERO]

That is hilarious. All the freak out over a problem caused by a third party case. Good times.

[cocky jeremy]

Who isn't going to use a case? Hell who isn't going to buy a Mac without getting a shell for it?

Scratch, fingerprint, and dent city. I need to get some Novus Polish for my MacBook.

Why would i buy such a beautiful product and cover it up with an ugly ass case? Never. I'd rather risk cracking or scratching it. If that happens, just buy a new one. But an ugly case.. never.

[Eidorian]

I've been using this OtterBox for a while now and never had this decoloration.Now if I could only find on of those for a MacBook. :eek:

[Warbrain]

I've been using this OtterBox for a while now and never had this decoloration.

http://www.extremepda.com/Merchant2/graphics/00000001/IPHONE-3G-OB2600-LG.jpg

Most of you idiots saying "IT'S UGLY" aren't ever going to need a case that will withstand the abuse snowboarding, camping, paintball, or such things that would demand this extremely abuse-proof case that without would destroy an expensive ass phone. Not to mention it's not like you can't take the phone out if you go to the mall with your preppy friends.

That's a beast of a case...

[iAlexG]

Maybe I will get a white one after all. Only if the Speck CandyShell doesnt discolor the iphone?

[slicecom]

Exactly!

And why on earth would anyone in a right mindset purchase a white iPhone... to put it in a some case?!?

There's a lot of stupid people out there...

[Signal-11]

I've been using this OtterBox for a while now and never had this decoloration.

http://www.extremepda.com/Merchant2/graphics/00000001/IPHONE-3G-OB2600-LG.jpg

Most of you idiots saying "IT'S UGLY" aren't ever going to need a case that will withstand the abuse snowboarding, camping, paintball, or such things that would demand this extremely abuse-proof case that without would destroy an expensive ass phone. Not to mention it's not like you can't take the phone out if you go to the mall with your preppy friends.

Wow, I thought my Otterbox iPhone Armor (http://www.mobiletor.com/2008/04/11/otterbox-iphone-armor-case-keeps-the-iphone-dry-in-3-feet-water/) (1st Gen) was a beast:

http://www.mobiletor.com/images/otterbox-iphone-armor-case.jpg

Works as advertised. Dropped mine in a muddy river once and it though it took a few minutes to find, the iPhone itself was fine.

In cities/developed country, my iPhone is naked. The way it was meant to be. :)

[8CoreWhore]

Me. White MacBook and White iPhone are both naked and look great. Why ruin the sexy form of the iPhone with a bulky case? It makes it look ugly.

To each his own but... a case doesn't just protect it's appearance, it may prevent the screen from cracking if dropped, it may increase grip - some of us are butterfingers.

I'm such a klutz that I had my 3G in a bullet-proof Otter Box case for a year. Yes, I dropped it several times. I just sold the 3G a couple of days ago as mint for $325USD and upgraded to the 3GS.

[JS82712]

Discolouration on my iPod Touch 1G (Happened last year, after I updated it to 2.0, it started to overheat)

http://i342.photobucket.com/albums/o404/JS82712/photo2-1.jpg
http://i342.photobucket.com/albums/o404/JS82712/photo21.jpg
http://i342.photobucket.com/albums/o404/JS82712/photo31.jpg

[Master Chief]

I've been using this OtterBox for a while now and never had this decoloration...
I would never go extreme without a rescue beeper and my phone (phones have proved to be very helpful in a number of accidents). That case, the size, would however be too much for me.

Note: I am the survivor of both the 1999 avalanche of Galtur and Valzur one day later – I was the fool who tried to prove that he was no chicken and that's when I broke my leg (I tried to outrun the avalanche). I stopped a few years later, when another friend passed away.

[Chupa Chupa]

What really gets me though is screen protectors - the iphone has a tempered glass front which is virtually scratchproof !


Tempered glass isn't scratch-proof and the olephobic coating isn't rub-proof.

http://tecnoblog.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/oleofobic.jpg

[fef714]

Who isn't going to use a case? Hell who isn't going to buy a Mac without getting a shell for it?

Scratch, fingerprint, and dent city. I need to get some Novus Polish for my MacBook.

iPhone case: yes

MacBook shell: no

[pohl]

Who isn't going to use a case? Hell who isn't going to buy a Mac without getting a shell for it?

I've owned a 1st generation iPhone, and now have a 3GS. I've never used a case for either, and doing so has never been a problem. They slip perfectly into my front jeans pocket, and the phones were never adversely effected.

I've never used a case for any phone, for that matter. Not sure why I should start just because the iPhone is teh shiny.

I've never used a screen protector, either. I've noticed that iPhones owned by case/screen-protector fans always look like ass in comparison.

[mavis]

Wirelessly posted (iPhone 3GS (White, 32GB): Mozilla/5.0 (iPhone; U; CPU iPhone OS 3_1 like Mac OS X; en-us) AppleWebKit/528.18 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/4.0 Mobile/7C97d Safari/528.16)

I wonder if the TV news programs that aired this "problem" will now run an updated story absolving Apple from blame?

Answer: no.

Exactly. I suspect this news won't be spread NEARLY as fast as the 'Defective 3GS!!' story ... :rolleyes:

[i.mac]

Who isn't going to use a case? Hell who isn't going to buy a Mac without getting a shell for it?

Scratch, fingerprint, and dent city. I need to get some Novus Polish for my MacBook.

Macs are meant to be used. A scratch and a dent are but battlemarks.

[Frisco]

Yeah baby--go to Hell Palm Pre!

[hinchesk]

Might be time to get some higher quality chassis materials. It feels like the yellowing MacBooks all over again.

Yer taking a lot of crap for this comment because the cause of the discoloration is (for now) being blamed on 3rd party cases. However, you make a very good point.

It's a high end phone that should have a high end case. A plastic case that's been prone to scratching and cracking isn't what you'd expect on a premium phone. It'd be nice to see Apple come out with a design comparable to what the unibody has done for the MBP... i.e. (arguably) increased both the durability and appearance at the same time. They're prolly working on it... well hopefully.

[gmcalpin]

Apple execs must be taking a deep breath now lol.

I bet that shut all the critics up.
I wish "all the critics" were so smart.

You can prove something is wrong beyond a reasonable doubt and there will always be some jagoff repeating it and repeating it 'til the end of time as if it was still true, because they heard it once.

And then there will still be idiots who blame the iPod's case materials for problems caused by ****** third-party cases. ahem

[Eidorian]

Yer taking a lot of crap for this comment because the cause of the discoloration is (for now) being blamed on 3rd party cases. However, you make a very good point.

It's a high end phone that should have a high end case. A plastic case that's been prone to scratching and cracking isn't what you'd expect on a premium phone. It'd be nice to see Apple come out with a design comparable to what the unibody has done for the MBP... i.e. (arguably) increased both the durability and appearance at the same time. They're prolly working on it... well hopefully.I didn't really expect to take so much flak for it. There is a market for cases for the iPhone/iPod, etc. Many users are going to end up buying cases and there's a chance of experiencing this discoloration.

I'm not solely placing the blame on Apple either. We also have the wonderful made for iPod/iPhone logos too. There needs to be coordination over this. Much to the dismay of some users, people are going to put cases or other forms of protection on their products. I don't want to feel like I'm voiding my warranty to maintain the cosmetic appeal of my hardware.

[SoGood]

Who isn't going to use a case? Hell who isn't going to buy a Mac without getting a shell for it?

Scratch, fingerprint, and dent city. I need to get some Novus Polish for my MacBook.

I don't routinely use a case for my iPhone. It stays in my pants pocket and has remained in perfect condition for a year now. Though I do have a clear contact for the screen. Otherwise I use a latex soft case when I take the iPhone on bike rides. Again, never damaged nor dropped.

[Darkroom]

http://www.extremepda.com/Merchant2/graphics/00000001/IPHONE-3G-OB2600-LG.jpg.

ahh hahahahahaha

[cameronjpu]

I was in two minds about getting a case for my iPhone, but decided not to bother as I too thought it seemed crazy to have such a nice looking device and keep it hidden away in a case - 6 months on and there is hardly a scratch on it - I think the materials they use seem to be getting far better.

I can understand why people might use one for, say, impact protection but its all solid state, so unless you drop it out of a 4th story window its probably going to be alright for the odd knock off the table. I guess each to there own preference.

As for the MBP never used a case/shell for that either.

I agree fully. How about this one? I left my 3GS on top of my car this weekend and drove off! It slid off my car onto the pavement at the intersection in front of my house, and I didn't realize it until later when a cab driver called my friend and told them he had found it.

This is a phone that hit the ground from the top of a car, going probably 20 mph, and had to slide across the pavement! It had ONE knick - on the corner where it first hit I'm sure. Otherwise, NOTHING. No sign that it had had ANY contact with asphalt other than the single corner.

People who use these bulky cases are hypochondriacs.

[iphones4evry1]

I'm glad to see that this was not a result of overheating and simply just the color of the case rubbing off onto the phone. However, as processors get faster and faster in the future and phones do not have cooling fans like computers, phones will only get hotter and hotter. Perhaps cases should be designed to allow the phone to cool off better. An example of what case designers might consider is attached.

[Rot'nApple]

Ok. So we can use alcohol. But what do we use to apply/wipe it with? Lint-free cloth, tissue, etc..?

I wonder if you can use those alcohol wipes, you know the wipes you get at the doctor's office right before the shot or IV? You can buy a box of alcohol wipes at your local pharmacy.

That is if it will work. :cool:

Of course , you'll have some 'splaining to do if pulled over by the cops and they see a box of alcohol wipes. :eek: Just tell them you're an iPhone junkie! :D

[thecizco]

I can confirm that the marks are indeed coming from cases. I have a white iPhone 3GS with a full body invisible shield installed. I also use a blue iSkin Solo case for some added protection. My phone is inside the case when I'm out of the house. Anyway, after using my phone heavily one day, I took the case off and noticed a blue discoloring on the back of my phone in the same shape as the one in the article's picture! I was very upset. However, I took the invisible shield off and found out that the marks were not on my phone. I never had this problem with my 3G so I am guessing the color bleeding must have something to do with how hot the 3GS gets?

Hope this helps!

[i.mac]

I haven't read this whole thread, but if it's the covers causing this discolorization, why didn't we experience this with the white 3G's?

iphone 3g does not run as hot as 3gs. physical and chemical processes are function of temperature.

[iPhoneNYC]

I always felt bad when my wine spilled on the table with my iPhone -- but maybe that's just what my new one needs now!

[rockosmodurnlif]

I agree fully. How about this one? I left my 3GS on top of my car this weekend and drove off! It slid off my car onto the pavement at the intersection in front of my house, and I didn't realize it until later when a cab driver called my friend and told them he had found it.

This is a phone that hit the ground from the top of a car, going probably 20 mph, and had to slide across the pavement! It had ONE knick - on the corner where it first hit I'm sure. Otherwise, NOTHING. No sign that it had had ANY contact with asphalt other than the single corner.

People who use these bulky cases are hypochondriacs.
I like having more of a grip on my phone thanks to the case. Also it's bright red so I don't risk leaving it on top of my car.

[Warbrain]

I agree fully. How about this one? I left my 3GS on top of my car this weekend and drove off! It slid off my car onto the pavement at the intersection in front of my house, and I didn't realize it until later when a cab driver called my friend and told them he had found it.

This is a phone that hit the ground from the top of a car, going probably 20 mph, and had to slide across the pavement! It had ONE knick - on the corner where it first hit I'm sure. Otherwise, NOTHING. No sign that it had had ANY contact with asphalt other than the single corner.

People who use these bulky cases are hypochondriacs.

That's a helluva story there...

[mdriftmeyer]

Who isn't going to use a case? Hell who isn't going to buy a Mac without getting a shell for it?

Scratch, fingerprint, and dent city. I need to get some Novus Polish for my MacBook.

Heat transfer resistance coatings for the third party cases need to be improved, not the other way around.

[cocky jeremy]

That's a beast of a case...

Jesus Christ! Why don't you just lock it up in a vault? lol. :eek:

[DELLsFan]

Apple execs must be taking a deep breath now lol.

I bet that shut all the critics up.

No, not all. To whit, I don't like the white iPhones.

[Vulpinemac]

Sorry but, it's from overheating. My friend is going bareback with his 16GB 3GS and the thing is turing brownish orange under the Apple logo (to the left). He's never had it in a case once. It just has an invisibleSHIELD on the front.

Two questions:
* Where does he carry it?
* What else does he have in that pocket?

Third question: How much does he sweat?

[danielchow]

I just don't get why people feel the need to cover phones etc with crappy covers that take away from the overall design of the device.

Get over it - it's just a bloody phone that is totally scratch proof on the front (unless you seriously set out to deface it) and whilst the back does get scratched, so what ????

Mine has survived multiple drops including onto concrete - it's one of the best built phones around.

Sorry for the rant but phone covers and holders are just so 90's !

it's sort of the same as after buying a new car. the more effort you put into trying not to scratch or dent it, the chances of scratches or dents showing up on the new car increase - the scratches and dents are inevitable. my 3GS has a scratch. i got over it with a whatever.

if it gets bad, i'll get myself some hello kitty stickers to cover-up :)

[cameronjpu]

I like having more of a grip on my phone thanks to the case. Also it's bright red so I don't risk leaving it on top of my car.

Yeah that was it - I looked at my car and the phone blended in so well that I didn't see it!

I also can't imagine how anyone would have trouble gripping the iPhone as it is, but whatever. It's not slippery....

[nws0291]

However, as processors get faster and faster in the future and phones do not have cooling fans like computers, phones will only get hotter and hotter. Perhaps cases should be designed to allow the phone to cool off better. An example of what case designers might consider is attached.

You aren't accounting for improved power sources and shrinking die sizes. The chips become faster and smaller with lower wattage consumption which reduces heat. TDP will get lower and lower.

[jayducharme]

That thing will get disgustingly dirty. The Incipio Feather in white is known for this.

After about two weeks it hasn't gotten a scratch. I keep it in my pants pocket and have dropped it a couple times. But so far it looks as good as the day I bought it.

[Warbrain]

After about two weeks it hasn't gotten a scratch. I keep it in my pants pocket and have dropped it a couple times. But so far it looks as good as the day I bought it.

It'll start picking up the oils from your skin as you use it. Any matte case that's any color but white will almost always do this.

[Macsterling]

Wirelessly posted (iPhone: Mozilla/5.0 (iPhone; U; CPU iPhone OS 3_0 like Mac OS X; en-us) AppleWebKit/528.18 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/4.0 Mobile/7A341 Safari/528.16)

I wish all these threads about cases would stop. Some people like to to put cases on their phones to make them different and some don't. Not everyone likes white or black so they will get a yellow, red or orange case. Some get them for protection and some just like it naked. It's a preferance and people shouldn't rag on people for using a case if they want to. And for the people that are saying that they have never used a case and have dropped their phones on concrete without it taking damage is BS. I used to be a Mac Genius and I saw plenty of phones with dents and nicks on corners from drops. Sometimes I use a case and sometimes I don't. The times that I dropped my phone I was lucky to have a case on at the time because it scratched up the incase slider instead of my phone. I'm not OCD like most people on here and could care less about a few scratches on the chrome or the back. As long as it still works then that's all that matters. You think people with blackberrys and other devices complain or debate which case the should get? I don't think so. It's just a $200 phone that will keep coming out every year anyways so please stop with this case crap. Try spending time using all the great features and apps on the phone instead of worrying about this mess.

[bretm]

Uh, me for one. Cases take away from the innate sexiness and the invisible skins don't feel right. Despite my old 3G's nudity, it didn't gain a scratch last year. If someone as clumsy as me can get away without a case anyone can.

My Macbook Pro also kicks it in the buff and looks flawless.

Have you tried to hold the original iphone without a case? My rubber case was to keep me from dropping the friggin thing so many times. They're too slick. The 3G and 3Gs have a plastic back which has a tackier feel. The cool aluminum of the original just stayed slick.

But seriously, the rubber is a good shock absorber. Sexy is not.

[Mr. Gates]

Oh You.
Well let me first say that the case wouldnt bleed into the phone without HEAT!!! Then I would say {{{ Why get a case for a piece of crap technology that will be obsoliete in 2 months , do you really think it is going to retain value? Are you a total idiot? }}}

My spelling may be bad,...Your logic is worse

[bretm]

Yer taking a lot of crap for this comment because the cause of the discoloration is (for now) being blamed on 3rd party cases. However, you make a very good point.

It's a high end phone that should have a high end case. A plastic case that's been prone to scratching and cracking isn't what you'd expect on a premium phone. It'd be nice to see Apple come out with a design comparable to what the unibody has done for the MBP... i.e. (arguably) increased both the durability and appearance at the same time. They're prolly working on it... well hopefully.

You mean like the original iPhone? Metal back. Problem. Blocks reception so you have to have a split back with partial plastic for the antenna. Not sure why the antenna can't be part of the case like the MacBooks.

[Warbrain]

You mean like the original iPhone? Metal back. Problem. Blocks reception so you have to have a split back with partial plastic for the antenna. Not sure why the antenna can't be part of the case like the MacBooks.

Because it's already integrated into parts of the phone like the bezel, around the camera...

And the antenna is not part of the case on the MacBooks, especially the aluminum ones. Notice the rubber cover on the hinge? Wireless antenna. The plastic MacBooks allowed for the antennas to be placed anywhere.

[Signal-11]

I wish all these threads about cases would stop. Some people like to to put cases on their phones to make them different and some don't. Not everyone likes white or black so they will get a yellow, red or orange case. Some get them for protection and some just like it naked. It's a preferance and people shouldn't rag on people for using a case if they want to. And for the people that are saying that they have never used a case and have dropped their phones on concrete without it taking damage is BS. I used to be a Mac Genius and I saw plenty of phones with dents and nicks on corners from drops. Sometimes I use a case and sometimes I don't. The times that I dropped my phone I was lucky to have a case on at the time because it scratched up the incase slider instead of my phone. I'm not OCD like most people on here and could care less about a few scratches on the chrome or the back. As long as it still works then that's all that matters. You think people with blackberrys and other devices complain or debate which case the should get? I don't think so. It's just a $200 phone that will keep coming out every year anyways so please stop with this case crap. Try spending time using all the great features and apps on the phone instead of worrying about this mess.

Then what else would internet nerds argue about?

Was there ever a point to pickup truck guys who argued about Dodge vs Ford vs Chevy? Probably not. But like a dogfight (not that I approve of real dogfights) it's interesting to toss in a bone sometimes and see what happens.

[bretm]

That's a helluva story there...

Well, my original day one iPhone took a swim in the pool over a month ago. Completely submerged in my jeans pocket while I jumped in. I was probably in the pool 10-20 seconds. Then it was in the pants pocket for the next 5 minutes before I had a chance to pull it out and dry it off.

It is completely functional. No damage from the pool whatsoever.

My case didn't cover the speaker holes, but it does cover the headphone jack. Might have helped!

Why did I jump in? My son fell in the pool. Don't worry he's fine and he wasn't even wearing a case!

[bretm]

Because it's already integrated into parts of the phone like the bezel, around the camera...

And the antenna is not part of the case on the MacBooks, especially the aluminum ones. Notice the rubber cover on the hinge? Wireless antenna. The plastic MacBooks allowed for the antennas to be placed anywhere.

Talking about the wifi antenna in original iphone. Isn't that what the black plastic was on the back? Touch had the same thing, but smaller.

Ah well, whatever. They should bring the metal back back if they can. But obviously the plastic was better for reception.

[dacreativeguy]

That's what happens when you buy a nutria iphone case. That's not going to be good for anybody!

[AidenShaw]

Was there ever a point to pickup truck guys....

Of course there was a reason to pick up truck guys....

[cameronjpu]

First you say:


I wish all these threads about cases would stop. Some people like to to put cases on their phones to make them different and some don't. Not everyone likes white or black so they will get a yellow, red or orange case. Some get them for protection and some just like it naked. It's a preferance and people shouldn't rag on people for using a case if they want to.

And then you say:

I'm not OCD like most people on here and could care less about a few scratches on the chrome or the back. As long as it still works then that's all that matters. You think people with blackberrys and other devices complain or debate which case the should get? I don't think so. It's just a $200 phone that will keep coming out every year anyways so please stop with this case crap. Try spending time using all the great features and apps on the phone instead of worrying about this mess.

Which sounds a lot like what everyone else was saying, which you just told them to stop ;)

[Drag'nGT]

Wow. I said this exact thing in the other thread. How good am I?

[Shasterball]

Hell who isn't going to buy a Mac without getting a shell for it?

Who has a shell for their Mac? I don't and I've taken my MBP everywhere for 2 years. A little bit of care, and it still looks like new.

[Shasterball]

{{{ Why get a case for a piece of crap technology that will be obsoliete in 2 months , do you really think it is going to retain value? Are you a total idiot? }}}

Umm, the original iPhone was released 2 years ago and IT'S still not obsolete.

[SeaFox]

Who isn't going to use a case? Hell who isn't going to buy a Mac without getting a shell for it?

Scratch, fingerprint, and dent city. I need to get some Novus Polish for my MacBook.

I think the point here is it's the accessory manufacturer's job to test their products for chemical reactions with the iPhone's case materials, not Apple's job.

[sam10685]

And by the way, who the hell uses a shell with a Macbook?? Phones I can understand, but people really need to take better care of their notebooks.

Exactly. If you're really that paranoid as to need a shell, just cut the middle-man and get a desktop.

[Eidorian]

I think the point here is it's the accessory manufacturer's job to test their products for chemical reactions with the iPhone's case materials, not Apple's job.You'd expect that with the logo program they've pushed. Besides the licensing fees.

Exactly. If you're really that paranoid as to need a shell, just cut the middle-man and get a desktop.Sadly a desktop isn't easily portable.

[applealex]

iPhone iPhone iPhone so much about the iPhone

it had it's 2 months of buildup and big fame at WWDC. it launched, must news reports keep coming. let's hear about the next generation iPod touch

there is a case available for the "iPod touch 3G". there is a job listing in Apple for iPod camera Validator. News is there MacRumors, post it

[charlituna]

That is why I got the black unit.. who on earth can keep anything white? and what do you do after Labor Day??? :eek:

some people just don't understand the rules of Proper Society. :)

[SandynJosh]

Ok. So we can use alcohol. But what do we use to apply/wipe it with? Lint-free cloth, tissue, etc..?

if you carefully choose your alcohol, you can lick it off. :rolleyes:

[cliffjumper68]

the case shown in that picture is a sena ultraslim case. i had that exact same case with my white iphone 3g. i can agree than when putting a warm phone in the case that it would get even hotter. it makes sense that it would get. my phone would only get hot when i would run two ram intense applications at the same time. i love the ultraslim case though!

Nice article, but it does nothing to explain the reports of people using the phone sans case and it getting to hot to hold. I am waiting to upgrade until they explain those reports, this sounds like the little man behind the curtain to me. :apple:

[bretm]

Nice article, but it does nothing to explain the reports of people using the phone sans case and it getting to hot to hold. I am waiting to upgrade until they explain those reports, this sounds like the little man behind the curtain to me. :apple:

Too hot to hold? Get a case. Case marking plastic? Lose the case.

[shoorty0690]

Why hasn't Apple created their own Apple branded case? I'm sure they've got hundreds of slick designs brewing. They'd bank on that, I know I'd go for an Apple branded case over any 3rd party no matter what the cost. They know first hand how to create the perfect case to protect it in the right spots, as well as it not looking gaudy like some other 3rd party ones.

Personally I'm using the Incase Slider and have had no problems thus far with my 16 black 3GS. I'd be pissed if it wasn't the cases causing this though, I didn't drop 400$ (wasn't completely eligible...) on a phone that will overheat and discolor...

[SandynJosh]

I didn't drop 400$ (wasn't completely eligible...) on a phone that will overheat and discolor...

Think of it as acquiring a fine patina with use, like a well-loved leather lounge chair. :D

[tibi08]

Why hasn't Apple created their own Apple branded case? I'm sure they've got hundreds of slick designs brewing.

Maybe they think you don't need one - and if you do, then there's a design flaw?

[Mr. Zorg]

I never understood the whole case thing either. I'm with all those people who think it's a crime to cover up such a sexy phone. I do have an anti-glare screen protector on it though, but not to protect the screen (wasn't worried about that) but because I like the matte screen better than the stock glossy one.

[Sipheren]

I hate cases, but I don't want my phone getting scratched up, because it will have better resale value in good condition next year when the next iPhone comes out and I have to upgrade, so I just use the ZAGG covers, works perfect for me.

[LagunaSol]

Check out my new iPhone case:

http://images.loqu.com/contents/308/810/image/080811/1/1.jpg

[djellison]

I can confirm that the marks are indeed coming from cases.

So why have Apple written a piece about how to stop your iPhone overheating - such as not using it in the sun in a car etc etc.

There clearly IS a real overheating problem - it's not like Apple to admit to ANYTHING, let alone something that isn't a real problem.

[peterdevries]

It is, and you obviously have a "POS" 1st gen iPhone .

HaHa

Do not feed the troll..

[acidfast7]

Who isn't going to use a case? Hell who isn't going to buy a Mac without getting a shell for it?

Scratch, fingerprint, and dent city. I need to get some Novus Polish for my MacBook.

I bought an iPhone, and iTouch and a MBP and I didn't buy a single case. I bought them to use them and the scratches give it character.

The only thing that pisses me off is the white keyboard on my iMac, it was dirty by the end of the first day.

[Phil A.]

Wirelessly posted (iPod touch 32GB: Mozilla/5.0 (iPhone; U; CPU iPhone OS 3_1 like Mac OS X; en-us) AppleWebKit/528.18 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/4.0 Mobile/7C97d Safari/528.16)

I can confirm that the marks are indeed coming from cases.

So why have Apple written a piece about how to stop your iPhone overheating - such as not using it in the sun in a car etc etc.

There clearly IS a real overheating problem - it's not like Apple to admit to ANYTHING, let alone something that isn't a real problem.

That support article has been around for ages and has just been updated for the 3GS. It simply describes the working temperature range of the iPhone and how to ensure it isn't exceeded.

[DaveTheGrey]

epic fail of the jounalistic part of the rumor mill

[chrono1081]

Check out my new iPhone case:

http://images.loqu.com/contents/308/810/image/080811/1/1.jpg

Hahahahahhaa

Thats the awesomest case ever!

[alFR]

Of course , you'll have some 'splaining to do if pulled over by the cops and they see a box of alcohol wipes. :eek:

Lordy. What sort of fascist state do you live in? :confused: :)

[markm49uk]

Tempered glass isn't scratch-proof and the olephobic coating isn't rub-proof.

http://tecnoblog.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/oleofobic.jpg

I said virtually - seriously people its just a phone. I don't treat it with kid gloves and have no protection and yes the back has a few minor scratches but the glass is absolutely pristine.

Have you ever watched the YouTube videos http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_8yNh0N2qbs where they try to scratch the screen - see this one - its only when he attacks it with a bloody hunting knife that he ends up with a small scratch.

In everyday use the phone should never need a screen protector.

[irnchriz]

So, same pictures and a contradictory report from a French website. I wonder how much revenue they have made from gullible tech websites and in turn their visitors from these reports?

First the one and only documented case of apparent discoloration with photographic evidence and now same photos but its the fault of a case not overheating.

Then you get the retarded trolls who don't read full posts and think that Apple is responding to the overheating with a guide on how to avoid overheating. In reality the guide has been in existence for months and there have been support notes for the iPhones getting hot since the release of the first iPhone which would get very hot during charging.

No wonder companies and even governments have to publish documents stating the obvious as there are so many retarded sheep out there. Don't submerge the iPhone in water, do not leave in direct sunlight cos it will get hot etc etc. Then you have Governments stating 'ooh, its going to be sunny, remember to drink plenty water and slap on the sun-cream'.

There will soon be new warnings on cigarette packets which will state. WARNING: Once lit the burning end will become hot. Do not touch. I can see a future when we have huge billboards stating: Remember to breathe, followed with an animation of someone breathing.

[remmy]

So why have Apple written a piece about how to stop your iPhone overheating - such as not using it in the sun in a car etc etc.

There clearly IS a real overheating problem - it's not like Apple to admit to ANYTHING, let alone something that isn't a real problem.

The same advice applies to a range of electronic devices manufactured by various companies.

[djellison]

its just a phone.

The 32gb is £538.30

It should be PERFECT. I mean totally, utterly, 1000% PERFECT.

You can buy fully fledged Blu-ray laptops for that much money.

[Warbrain]

The same advice applies to a range of electronic devices manufactured by various companies.

Exactly. There is an operating range for every electronic device. Apple just makes it available and has people who will, for whatever reason, troll support documents.

[MagicWok]

I have the crystal protector for the screen, and this case:

http://www.goincase.com/products/detail/protective-cover-cl59051/1

The Powersupport screen attaches via static and I hardly notice any smudges, and the case is minimal. My personal reasons are two-fold:

- Protection, bascially if/when I drop the thing, it will hopefully survive with no sign of damage. The case feels very slippy in my hand (my palms are not sweaty :P) so just a little extra re-assurance for me.

- Resell value, has had the case & screen protector on from the moment I opened it so it will resist scratches very well hopefully throughout it's lifetime. Although from my personal point of view, scratches on the back from my own usage doesn't bother me. I stare/use the screen, not the back :rolleyes:

The screen is very very good at resisting scratches, my iPod Touch has none, but I'd rather just be cautious now and get more money when it comes time to sell and trade up. All very personal reasons, so using cases are for some and not others. Users shouldn't presume one way or another, that cases are wrong or right. I also don't give a crap how the device looks, only how it functions.


I do think also there is a very real heat problem inherent with the device itself, even if it is very small range of context. I don't like Apple passing on the blame, as they've been very good in the past admiting if something is wrong, even if very minor...

[i.mac]

So why have Apple written a piece about how to stop your iPhone overheating - such as not using it in the sun in a car etc etc.

There clearly IS a real overheating problem - it's not like Apple to admit to ANYTHING, let alone something that isn't a real problem.

'overheating' Is not a problem, it is an issue that comes along with a new CPU. Sensible use should mitigate this issue.

[Bubba Satori]

'overheating' Is not a problem, it is an issue that comes along with a new CPU. Sensible use should mitigate this issue.

Yeah, turn it off. :D

http://randysright.files.wordpress.com/2009/05/head_in_sand.jpg

[twoodcc]

so they are not overheating then?

[Shasterball]

Do not feed the troll..

But it's so much fun. Especially when you know who they are.

[Shasterball]

It is, and you obviously have a "POS" 1st gen iPhone .
HaHa

Oh my friend. You know exactly what I have... You have seen it!

[mudenza]

Who isn't going to use a case? Hell who isn't going to buy a Mac without getting a shell for it?

I find it ludicrous that people shell out money just to "protect" their Macbooks. They look hideous and ruin the great design. Same applies to iPhone cases--whats the point? The "Designed By Apple in California" becomes meaningless

[mudenza]

So, same pictures and a contradictory report from a French website. I wonder how much revenue they have made from gullible tech websites and in turn their visitors from these reports?

Excellent point.

+1000

I think MR should stop posting these news articles (such as the iPhone proto before as well) just to satisfy the MR'ers daily news need. If there is nothing worth posting, then I'd be more than happy than to go through this.

[LilBabiNothing]

is anyone having problems getting there mobile me to work on a pc use Safari or firefox? ( i have the newest versions) i use a mac at home and a pc at work and for some reason i cant get mobile me to work on the pc :confused:

[*LTD*]

so they are not overheating then?

No.

And really, has anyone's on this site? Has any that belong to people you know?

LOL, it's all FUD. And who gives this kind of FUD such startling momentum? WE DO.

[jragosta]

That's the problem with the Internet nowadays...stupid individuals post these lies as "news", which are only corrected after more serious investigations show that they are plain BS, at the expense of the company producing the device concerned.

These morons, probably PC fanboys, should be sued and arrested for corporate libel...the damage that can be caused to Apple in terms of ceasing profits is amazing.

Actually, that's not the biggest problem. The biggest problem is that one scammer posts some mindless complaint and within hours 1,000 web sites have picked it up and spread it as gospel truth, maybe adding some 'expert' comments and pretending that the 'problem' is widespread. Maybe even talking about recalls and class action suits.

[Pika]

i believe it's the fault of a pink silicon case like this one:

http://img.auctiva.com/imgdata/1/2/0/6/0/9/5/webimg/278664761_o.jpg

[jragosta]

You aren't accounting for improved power sources and shrinking die sizes. The chips become faster and smaller with lower wattage consumption which reduces heat. TDP will get lower and lower.

Mostly right.

However, TDP doesn't really change much over time. The TDP for a desktop processor stays within some range, as does the TDP for a laptop processor and a smart phone. Granted, the processors become exponentially more powerful each year, but they tend to use the same amount of power. (actually, power consumption has been increasing - the Pentium was around 10-20 W, Pentium 4 was 30-40 W and Core 2 Duo is 40-60 W (except the extreme versions which are over 100 W).

If they did reduce TDP year after year, our laptops would run 24 hours on a charge and you could run a cell phone for weeks with a single AA battery.

[*LTD*]

Actually, that's not the biggest problem. The biggest problem is that one scammer posts some mindless complaint and within hours 1,000 web sites have picked it up and spread it as gospel truth, maybe adding some 'expert' comments and pretending that the 'problem' is widespread. Maybe even talking about recalls and class action suits.

LOL, so true.

[jod1921]

Sorry but, it's from overheating. My friend is going bareback with his 16GB 3GS and the thing is turing brownish orange under the Apple logo (to the left). He's never had it in a case once. It just has an invisibleSHIELD on the front.
Its probably from his brown leather pants or his holster or his pouch or his cheap dock or his pants pocket or his purse or 10000 other things. It hard to believe some people can't figure out they did it themselves.

[Jamie 360]

Uh, me for one. Cases take away from the innate sexiness and the invisible skins don't feel right. Despite my old 3G's nudity, it didn't gain a scratch last year. If someone as clumsy as me can get away without a case anyone can.

My Macbook Pro also kicks it in the buff and looks flawless.

Am I the only person whose chrome area on the front of the phone gets scratced to hell!!??? Particularly the top edge? I had my 2G constantly in various different cases from day 1, and it still ended up scratched and had little gauges. This time, I'm going without a case for my white 3GS, and low and behold...the chrome is already scratched up again. It's not like I put this in my pocket near change or keys or anything. I was thrilled back when the rumor of the non-chrome front was posted. But, here it is again--scratched.

Does anyone else also think there is a wider gap between the black screen edge and the chrome? I can easily fit my fingernail in between. I have a 3G screen crystal screen cover on it, but I still notice lint and crap getting stuck in the edges....that never happened on my 2G, and it's getting annoying.:mad:

[Warbrain]

Am I the only person whose chrome area on the front of the phone gets scratced to hell!!??? Particularly the top edge? I had my 2G constantly in various different cases from day 1, and it still ended up scratched and had little gauges. This time, I'm going without a case for my white 3GS, and low and behold...the chrome is already scratched up again. It's not like I put this in my pocket near change or keys or anything. I was thrilled back when the rumor of the non-chrome front was posted. But, here it is again--scratched.

Does anyone else also think there is a wider gap between the black screen edge and the chrome? I can easily fit my fingernail in between. I have a 3G screen crystal screen cover on it, but I still notice lint and crap getting stuck in the edges....that never happened on my 2G, and it's getting annoying.:mad:

The chrome is very soft and will always be scratched. Nothing you can do about that. Cases will scratch it as well.

The gap is there because there is now a gasket that sits between the glass and the internals. This is a result of Apple gluing the glass on rather than attaching it to the device.

[DaveGee]

And in a related news story, a man from Iowa has made bold clams that his new iPhone 3GS smelled like crap! The resulting press and Apple haters had a field day with this news! That was, until it was later reported that the man was actually using his iPhone to wipe his ass... The man stands by his claim and says it still shouldn't smell that way! :eek:

D

[Warbrain]

And in a related news story, a man from Iowa has made bold clams that his new iPhone 3GS smelled like crap! The resulting press and Apple haters had a field day with this news! That was, until it was later reported that the man was actually using his iPhone to wipe his ass... The man stands by his claim and says it still shouldn't smell that way! :eek:

D

That would also explain the brown stains...

[DaveGee]

The chrome is very soft and will always be scratched. Nothing you can do about that. Cases will scratch it as well.

OMG... Why are you even trying to explain these things to people?

EVERYTHING can and will scratch!

Paint, plastic, metal, wood, vinyl, leather, glass, sandpaper, diamonds, the surface of the moon....

Everything else.. Will scratch!

Why is this such a surprise to people? Have they never owned a new car and within hours, days or weeks (if your lucky) you start noticing little micro scratches here and there... well big news flash they multiply with time and use.... Okay... I've actually got three things that won't scratch or if they do it will not be detectable.

- Liquid
- Gas
- Plasma
- Carbon Nanotubes, Nano-particles and/or Buckyballs.

:p

Dave

[DaveGee]

That would also explain the brown stains...

Yes my good man, I think it surly would and since I'm not getting with in 10 feet of that specific 3GS, I've decided to call an end to this specific investigation and move on to 'less browner' pastures. :D

Dave

[Rot'nApple]

Lordy. What sort of fascist state do you live in? :confused: :)

"Obamastan"!, my friend, of course...

Where the philosophy of the government is to take your wealth to spread around as they see fit and hire ACORN thugs, aka COI (pronounced coy), to take the 2010 census! :D

And just you refuse to answer the intrusive questions of the government census and see what kind of fascist state you live in also! :eek:

[Warbrain]

OMG... Why are you even trying to explain these things to people?

EVERYTHING can and will scratch!

Paint, plastic, metal, wood, vinyl, leather, glass, sandpaper, diamonds, the surface of the moon....

Everything else.. Will scratch!

Why is this such a surprise to people? Have they never owned a new car and within hours, days or weeks (if your lucky) you start noticing little micro scratches here and there... well big news flash they multiply with time and use.... Okay... I've actually got three things that won't scratch or if they do it will not be detectable.

- Liquid
- Gas
- Plasma
- Carbon Nanotubes, Nano-particles and/or Buckyballs.

:p

Dave

Don't kill the messenger. I'm only providing an answer to someone who is apparently so ignorant of simple, common-sense things that they bitch and complain.

[sou1 so1di3r]

jesus, it's a phone it's going to get scratched.

I keep mine in my pocket with no case and it looks brand new. Just don't put nails and tacks in your pocket.

[DaveGee]

jesus, it's a phone it's going to get scratched. I keep mine in my pocket with no case and it looks brand new. Just don't put nails and tacks in your pocket.

How's about, staples & rivets... you didn't say anything about staples & rivets so they're okay right?... oh and what about my jacks (I lost the ball ages ago) but I can't go without those great little pointy jacks. Sometimes I put one in my hand a squeeze REAL hard and ya know what? It HURTS, ALOT! Then after a few days pass, I forget how much it hurt so I try it again and guess what??? YEP It still hurts ALOT, well anyway I gotta carry those! Oh I almost forgot, my steel ball bearing collection, the sun doesn't rise if those aren't clickity-clacking when I walk down the stairs of my folks house.... /head-smack

[Ericatomars]

Once again annoying problem after spending all that money on a phone and it discolors... I'll wait another year (maybe the next generation will be better). So now your stuck on a sh**ty phone contract with a terrible company and with a over rated phone that over heats and discolors, battery could be better, still no MMS or teathering! but at least your phone shows less finger prints!!!!!:eek:

[DaveGee]

dupe

[MagicWok]

How's about, staples & rivets... you didn't say anything about staples & rivets so they're okay right?... oh and what about my jacks (I lost the ball ages ago) but I can't go without those great little pointy jacks. Sometimes I put one in my hand a squeeze REAL hard and ya know what? It HURTS, ALOT! Then after a few days pass, I forget how much it hurt so I try it again and guess what??? YEP It still hurts ALOT, well anyway I gotta carry those! Oh I almost forgot, my steel ball bearing collection, the sun doesn't rise if those aren't clickity-clacking when I walk down the stairs of my folks house.... /head-smack

I always carry a chainsaw in my pocket along with my iPhone, because, well doesn't everyone? Anyway I get no scratches so you're ok there.

[iHateMacs]

beautiful products dont deserve ugly cases thats the reason to go naked

Cases are not just to protect the phone. The iPhone is beautiful as everyone knows but it's like trying to handle a bar of wet soap.

I have a simple neoprene cover that allows me to pick the phone up much easier, I can rest it on things in the car while driving without worrying it's going to slip off onto the floor on every turn. I can prop it up against a vertical surface for watching video. Because the case is rubbery, if the phone is in my shirt pocket, it's not going to shoot out like a rocket every time I bend down to tie my laces.

There are many reasons why people have cases. It is a shame that it's loveliness is hidden, but I can take it out for a look when I want :)

[Warbrain]

Once again annoying problem after spending all that money on a phone and it discolors... I'll wait another year (maybe the next generation will be better). So now your stuck on a sh**ty phone contract with a terrible company and with a over rated phone that over heats and discolors, battery could be better, still no MMS or teathering! but at least your phone shows less finger prints!!!!!:eek:

Troll on the barby?

[*LTD*]

Once again annoying problem after spending all that money on a phone and it discolors... I'll wait another year (maybe the next generation will be better). So now your stuck on a sh**ty phone contract with a terrible company and with a over rated phone that over heats and discolors, battery could be better, still no MMS or teathering! but at least your phone shows less finger prints!!!!!:eek:


Ladies and gentlemen . . . THIS is how FUD spreads. Future trolls, take notes!

There is no discolouring, except for a single alleged case and Lord knows how much user-induced imperfections.

There is no evidence of any kind of damaging overheating.

Has the best battery life of all devices in its class

I'm with Rogers and I've got MMS (works great) and tethering (already included in my data plan.) The manufacturer of the device and the carrier with which it is used are two different things.

And for all you Nokia fans that for some reason have invaded MR over the last few days:

http://gizmodo.com/5308440/nokia-n97-review-nokia-is-doomed

So true.

It's a completely different playing field and Nokia is still hanging on to that Symbian garbage. They seem to be a lot like Microsoft: coasting on their market share and relying on wide licensing to move product, instead of actually coming up with something truly compelling.

Nokia, as with Microsoft, is stuck in the world of producing phones to the bottom feeders ... price hunters. They sell phones, and fail at selling mobile computers. They are saddled with Symbian OS like a ball and chain. They are living in the '90s, with '90s marketing, a '90s OS, and a '90s approach to doing business.

[*LTD*]

delete.

[Jamie 360]

OMG... Why are you even trying to explain these things to people?

EVERYTHING can and will scratch!

Paint, plastic, metal, wood, vinyl, leather, glass, sandpaper, diamonds, the surface of the moon....

Everything else.. Will scratch!

Why is this such a surprise to people? Have they never owned a new car and within hours, days or weeks (if your lucky) you start noticing little micro scratches here and there... well big news flash they multiply with time and use.... Okay... I've actually got three things that won't scratch or if they do it will not be detectable.

- Liquid
- Gas
- Plasma
- Carbon Nanotubes, Nano-particles and/or Buckyballs.

:p

Dave

Ummm...ok, I realize that and I wasn't asking for an explanation. I just happen to think the chrome is the only stupid, tacky looking feature on the Iphone, which looks even tackier once its already hacked up after 2 days. I'd rather see the white or black casing go all the way to the glass or just have it be a black piece. It's just surprising to me that they stuck with that design. In fact, between the chrome (again) and the new larger space between the glass and the edge, I think it's pretty ghastly and feels weird to the touch. I just put mine in a blue Griffin Wave case today, not because I'm afraid the phone will scratch, but because the blue edges cover the chrome and I'm no longer blinding myself when I pull it out of my pocket.

[Jamie 360]

Don't kill the messenger. I'm only providing an answer to someone who is apparently so ignorant of simple, common-sense things that they bitch and complain.

Yet you're the one who's been bitching and complaining over a simple observation I made....:rolleyes:

Obviously just one of those "Apple can do no wrong people." Moving on.....

[Macsterling]

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OMG... Why are you even trying to explain these things to people?

EVERYTHING can and will scratch!

Paint, plastic, metal, wood, vinyl, leather, glass, sandpaper, diamonds, the surface of the moon....

Everything else.. Will scratch!

Why is this such a surprise to people? Have they never owned a new car and within hours, days or weeks (if your lucky) you start noticing little micro scratches here and there... well big news flash they multiply with time and use.... Okay... I've actually got three things that won't scratch or if they do it will not be detectable.

- Liquid
- Gas
- Plasma
- Carbon Nanotubes, Nano-particles and/or Buckyballs.

:p

Dave

Ummm...ok, I realize that and I wasn't asking for an explanation. I just happen to think the chrome is the only stupid, tacky looking feature on the Iphone, which looks even tackier once its already hacked up after 2 days. I'd rather see the white or black casing go all the way to the glass or just have it be a black piece. It's just surprising to me that they stuck with that design. In fact, between the chrome (again) and the new larger space between the glass and the edge, I think it's pretty ghastly and feels weird to the touch. I just put mine in a blue Griffin Wave case today, not because I'm afraid the phone will scratch, but because the blue edges cover the chrome and I'm no longer blinding myself when I pull it out of my pocket.

U my friend are suffering from some serious OCD because no one can see the little bitty scratches on the chrome except you. Seriously get over it already. Its just a phone and so what if it gets scratched. People around u don't care or even notice it.

[Pika]

People will never understand that cases makes the iPhone a more resistant (solid) and high-quality phone.

ahh hahahahahaha

You will be sorry the day you drop the phone. :mad:

At least my case is waterproof, dustproof, dirtproof, sandproof, crushproof, drop-proof.

[budidi]

Ladies and gentlemen . . . THIS is how FUD spreads. Future trolls, take notes!

There is no discolouring, except for a single alleged case and Lord knows how much user-induced imperfections.

There is no evidence of any kind of damaging overheating.

Has the best battery life of all devices in its class

I'm with Rogers and I've got MMS (works great) and tethering (already included in my data plan.) The manufacturer of the device and the carrier with which it is used are two different things.

And for all you Nokia fans that for some reason have invaded MR over the last few days:

http://gizmodo.com/5308440/nokia-n97-review-nokia-is-doomed

So true.

It's a completely different playing field and Nokia is still hanging on to that Symbian garbage. They seem to be a lot like Microsoft: coasting on their market share and relying on wide licensing to move product, instead of actually coming up with something truly compelling.

Nokia, as with Microsoft, is stuck in the world of producing phones to the bottom feeders ... price hunters. They sell phones, and fail at selling mobile computers. They are saddled with Symbian OS like a ball and chain. They are living in the '90s, with '90s marketing, a '90s OS, and a '90s approach to doing business.

so true x2
the best review ever for the Nokia N97 :D
now seriously, n97 cpu is at iphone 1st gen cpu level...but it opens FLASH ehehehe..who cares?! its a matter of time in the iphone :apple:

[doctor-don]

Who isn't going to use a case? Hell who isn't going to buy a Mac without getting a shell for it?

Scratch, fingerprint, and dent city. I need to get some Novus Polish for my MacBook.

My Mac Pro doesn't have a shell!:cool:

The color on them comes from RED skins, of course!:D

[cliffjumper68]

LOL, so true.

Actually it was a pc mag reviewer who posted about excessive heat. This does not answer the heat issue only the marks on the case.

[cliffjumper68]

So, same pictures and a contradictory report from a French website. I wonder how much revenue they have made from gullible tech websites and in turn their visitors from these reports?

First the one and only documented case of apparent discoloration with photographic evidence and now same photos but its the fault of a case not overheating.

Then you get the retarded trolls who don't read full posts and think that Apple is responding to the overheating with a guide on how to avoid overheating. In reality the guide has been in existence for months and there have been support notes for the iPhones getting hot since the release of the first iPhone which would get very hot during charging.

No wonder companies and even governments have to publish documents stating the obvious as there are so many retarded sheep out there. Don't submerge the iPhone in water, do not leave in direct sunlight cos it will get hot etc etc. Then you have Governments stating 'ooh, its going to be sunny, remember to drink plenty water and slap on the sun-cream'.

There will soon be new warnings on cigarette packets which will state. WARNING: Once lit the burning end will become hot. Do not touch. I can see a future when we have huge billboards stating: Remember to breathe, followed with an animation of someone breathing.
...and no where in your rambling do you address that the heating issue was reported by reviewers who were not using cases and had hot iphone 3gs. Please research a bit before you mindlessly defend apple. I love my apple stuff too, but I do expect that the heating issue will be explained if only that there were a few defective units that happened to go to the PC mag staff.

[Jamie 360]

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U my friend are suffering from some serious OCD because no one can see the little bitty scratches on the chrome except you. Seriously get over it already. Its just a phone and so what if it gets scratched. People around u don't care or even notice it.

Why would you even respond to a post if you didn't read it? Where did I even imply that I give a crap about what other people think regarding scratches on my phone!!?? I just dropped $335 and a two year contract for a device....if saying I think a feature on the device is ugly means I have serious OCD, then so be it.

My point was--since the chrome front piece has been notorious for getting instantly hacked up since the 2G, why advertise/promote a scratch-free, finger-print device while putting the same, separate chrome piece on the front of the phone which, in my opinion, is ugly and tacky looking to begin with. Look up OCD in a medical dictionary. According to your definition everyone who posts on this board should be diagnosed. :rolleyes:

[Jamie 360]

People will never understand that cases makes the iPhone a more resistant (solid) and high-quality phone.



You will be sorry the day you drop the phone. :mad:

At least my case is waterproof, dustproof, dirtproof, sandproof, crushproof, drop-proof.

I don't see what case on the market could prevent the glass screen from cracking if it takes a really bad fall. I had my 2G in a griffin wave case and when I dropped it in an empty bath tub (fell out of a front sweatshirt pocket while I was reaching to grab something off the shelf) the screen cracked from corner to corner, making the touch screen totally non-functional. The griffin wave case was shattered into small bits and pieces. The phone had no other damage other than the screen.

[*LTD*]

The problem with plastic/acrylic cases is that although they might protect the iPhone, they get scratched up themselves. Not very nice to get a clear case for the purpose of not only protecting your iPhone but allowing its beauty to be seen when the back of the case gets scratched up in no time. You drop it and the case breaks or cracks. You can only hope your iPhone is still safe and sound underneath. I avoid plastic/acrylic.

I can't seem to find very thin, completely clear silicone or an otherwise rubbery case that has the same kind of clarity as plastic. Something like what Nextware makes, but completely clear. All the really clear ones are plastic or acrylic. Perhaps the only suitable material for a rubbery case can't be made that clear. :(

[m1stake]

that's a lot of incredibly stupid customers. hardly surprising.

[Pika]

I don't see what case on the market could prevent the glass screen from cracking if it takes a really bad fall. I had my 2G in a griffin wave case and when I dropped it in an empty bath tub (fell out of a front sweatshirt pocket while I was reaching to grab something off the shelf) the screen cracked from corner to corner, making the touch screen totally non-functional. The griffin wave case was shattered into small bits and pieces. The phone had no other damage other than the screen.

That's why i have OtterBox:

http://www.extremepda.com/Merchant2/graphics/00000001/IPHONE-3G-OB2600-LG.jpg

It's plexiglass.

[BongoBanger]

This is one of the reasons why I went for the Nokia 5800 - I think mobile phones with cases look utterly ridiculous and the Nokia is cheap enough and sturdy enough that I don't care if I drop it now and again. It's also a very good phone as well, mind.

Cases. Ugh.

[Pika]

This is one of the reasons why I went for the Nokia 5800 - I think mobile phones with cases look utterly ridiculous and the Nokia is cheap enough and sturdy enough that I don't care if I drop it now and again. It's also a very good phone as well, mind.

Cases. Ugh.Not sturdy enough to get scratched and all beaten up / watered up.

Of course you don't care... it's a cheap ass phone compared to the iPhone.

[BongoBanger]

Not sturdy enough to get scratched and all beaten up / watered up.

Of course you don't care... it's a cheap ass phone compared to the iPhone.

And better for my needs too (I did have a laugh at the comments about Nokia - the 5800 still outsells the iPhone in every market outwith the US where Nokia have no presence. The N97 though is a bit of a 'so what' product though and I certainly wouldn't buy one having tried it although, in fairness, neither would I buy an iPhone).

Phone cases look stupid. End of.

[PCMacUser]

And better for my needs too (I did have a laugh at the comments about Nokia - the 5800 still outsells the iPhone in every market outwith the US where Nokia have no presence. The N97 though is a bit of a 'so what' product though and I certainly wouldn't buy one having tried it although, in fairness, neither would I buy an iPhone).

Phone cases look stupid. End of.

I had a play with the N97 at a phone shop the other day - and was surprised by how small it was. My two current phones are Nokias, and as you pointed out, they can get beaten up, dropped, and damaged - but they're so cheap and plasticky that it really doesn't matter. That's a feature in itself IMHO.

[seedster2]

Another thing I don't understand is how everyone poo-poo'd the original Fox News report of the discolorization, saying it probably wasn't true and it was from an illegit news source. However, now, some obscure French blog says otherwise and now everyone is all relieved? I'm certainly not wishing ill-will towards people's purchases, but let's use some common sense and just see how this plays out. The translation said he got this info from the Apple tech line. Of course, they were going to blame it on something else.

I noticed that as long as the source backs up their position, apple at fault or case manufacturers at fault, no one questions the source's legitimacy.

Just take a look at any performance reports posted here. You will see the usual defenders undermine the source but if it states otherwise never even concern themselves with who said it.

But don't bother bring this objective approach to light, they will ignore it anyhow. Just sit back and enjoy the relief party:rolleyes: