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ezekielrage_99
Jul 5, 2009, 11:14 PM
Well I am in the process of putting together a proposal as a part of a branding overhaul for a new company. The logo concept is still very much in the infancy stage of the concept, but the company has a pretty good idea what they want but thought a bit of testing would be in order...

The main query about the logo is to do with font choice, serif/san-serif or if anyone else has some ideas (anything overlooked).

*Please bare in mind the "keming" isn't great because this is a quick mock-up.



spillproof
Jul 5, 2009, 11:33 PM
San-serif is more modern. Is your "homestyling" modern? I do like 1 and 3's "Y" in "my" nonetheless.

You could check with magazines and/or websites that deal with home styling to see what they use then use something different form the majority to grab people's attention

ezekielrage_99
Jul 5, 2009, 11:52 PM
The organisation is a home styling web based company, it is a specialised services that creates high-end interior designs.

Although the specified branding direction is specified to be professional, high class, luxury and with focus on typography like with Vogue, D&G and Bvlgari logos.

It's the mixing traditional with the "classic" design in the most simplified way is tricky...

Cabbit
Jul 6, 2009, 04:13 AM
Always like sans serf better, but that is mainly because i can follow sans serf without the letters jumping.
But my other input her is that #1 looks much more modern that the others and home styling magazines and such are usually a sans serf font as it looks more modern unless they are covering old designs in that issue and that is where they have a serf design.

Perhaps take this into consideration that the client could have both designs available depending on the product category.

idn
Jul 6, 2009, 04:26 AM
Sans.

Smother, cleaner, more modern.

bbeers
Jul 6, 2009, 06:47 AM
I would have to say the san-serif especially if you are dealing with high end interior designs. It feels much more modern and I really like the juxtaposition and balance it gets from the serif "my".

ezekielrage_99
Jul 6, 2009, 08:05 AM
Perhaps take this into consideration that the client could have both designs available depending on the product category.

I'm considering that maybe the case but it's a really good idea anyway, having classic and modern branding would be rather cool.

Unspoken Demise
Jul 6, 2009, 08:12 AM
I think an interent based site with "high end" quality needs #2 more. 1 and 3 seem very personable, like its "my" as in mine, like we can take ownership and pride in it as our own, as in a modern way as previously suggested, but for "high end interior design," I think #2 represents them better.

2 cents.

kedruff
Jul 6, 2009, 11:11 AM
You might try a font like Helvetica Neue (which you might be in #1)... try to vary the weight between HOME and STYLING... I like the "styling" in 1 but the heavier "home" in 2, but, in general, I'd use the sans-serif fonts ...

benthewraith
Jul 6, 2009, 11:13 AM
I don't like #2.

fxstb2002
Jul 6, 2009, 11:19 AM
I am not a designer, but I have an opinion.

Prefer "Homestyling" in number 3. I like the horizontal lines created by the serifs, much better than the curves on the serifs in number 2 that interrupt my reading. I feel like I am tripping over each character.

Something strange happening with the "s" in number 2. It is very narrow, and I can't stop looking at it.

Number 1 just feels too locked into modern styling. Number 3 feels more versatile.

Of the "my"s, I guess I like number 2, but it doesn't speak to me in any special way. It would be nice to see more options on it.

Java
Jul 6, 2009, 11:27 AM
Please, no zaphino. You can spot it a mile away. What about Rotis (serif) with a Rotis semi-sans or sans? I might also recommend Bodoni italics.

Mookamoo
Jul 6, 2009, 12:47 PM
Try it in a san serif font that has some styling - Try Optima

Don't use Helvetica Neue or DIN - they are being used to death.

SwiftLives
Jul 6, 2009, 01:10 PM
Combine them?
Mix a serif and a sans.

And maybe play with contrasting the weights of the words, too.

bluetooth
Jul 6, 2009, 04:27 PM
I really like the "HOMESTYLING" sans font in number 1. I also like where you are headed with the contrasting font style of "my" but not sure if that particular font flows best. I think the "HOMESTYLING" sans font has an elegant, contemporary/modern feel which is perfect for the interior design concept. I take it this is going to be a logotype?

jecapaga
Jul 6, 2009, 05:30 PM
Any time you're using three different type treatments just in a simple logo you're inviting crap in my opinion. Essentially you have three going on already no matter if you choose serif or sans. I prefer the sans though.

Heb1228
Jul 6, 2009, 06:48 PM
Not an expert here, but I like #1.

x86isslow
Jul 6, 2009, 06:58 PM
#3 looks just "right"

ianogden
Jul 6, 2009, 08:24 PM
what font did u use in #1? i want it!

ezekielrage_99
Jul 6, 2009, 08:45 PM
I'll make a few more mock-ups with the suggestions (thanks).

Overall I am staying away from Helvetica although a very nice font it really "doesn't look right" in this context, Optima another one which would look good in tight type may also be an option.

For the moment it's narrowed down to 3 fonts:
- Bodoni
- Futura LT
- Didot

* Option 1 was Futura LT

* Option 2 was a very classic font Adobe Carlson Pro, and I do agree the S doen't look right. This wasn't my choice either... I was intending to mix Bodoni Script Pro and BodoniXT.

* Option 3 was Didot

stainlessliquid
Jul 6, 2009, 09:22 PM
Its too hard to read and theres no composition to it, keep working on the artistic part of it

The letters are too close together to be readable, and theres not enough difference between homestyling, that would help readability.

my is messing up the composition, the eye wants to move from the top left to the bottom right when reading, its awkward to go from bottom left. If its not going to be symmetric then it needs to have flow that people can relate to naturally. If you are set on using the script font then "styling" would be better suited for it because it would drive the eye to the end, and it would further emphasize the style aspect.

bluetooth
Jul 7, 2009, 01:53 AM
New Century Schoolbook (serif) in an italic genreally works well as a contrast with Futura (sans) although you would need to play around with the types, perhaps to a Futura book as NCS is a little heavier and may be too far the other way. I have seen these two work well together in several examples. Food for thought if you are trying to maintain that contrast of classic script (my) and contemporary (HOMESTYLING).

IgnatiusTheKing
Jul 7, 2009, 08:55 AM
I'd go with sans. Since it's a web-based company, a modern look is probably the way to go, and #1 looks the slickest/most modern. That would be my starting point.

ezekielrage_99
Jul 8, 2009, 06:45 AM
Hello all, I've made a few version mainly to do with the fonts.

Thanks again for all the good feedback.

bbeers
Jul 8, 2009, 08:01 AM
Hello all, I've made a few version mainly to do with the fonts.

Thanks again for all the good feedback.

In these versions I quite like number 1.
The my is very familiar to me. The feeling of familiarity leaves me with some comfort and reassurance in the brand, and I can't quite explain why. After seeing the text in all lower case I really like it. The lower case serif fonts really seems to fit well to me.

The second one with the all caps feels very "Better Homes and Garden" or Architectural Digest to me. It could just be a because of similar fonts and the all caps. I am not say that is a bad thing at all, just the immediate feeling I get when I saw the designs.

The Third one I liked it better when it was in the light font. The kerning seems a little wide as compared to the light one. The light font felt very modern to me where as this one feels more bland. Also I am not the biggest fan of the my on the third, the weights the the two contrasting fonts feel to be too close to me.


Just my thoughts. I must says that I do like where you are going.

Cabbit
Jul 8, 2009, 08:02 AM
Hello all, I've made a few version mainly to do with the fonts.

Thanks again for all the good feedback.

#1 and 2 look really horrid to me, not very nice at all and #2 has rather poor contrast. #3 looks really good.

IgnatiusTheKing
Jul 8, 2009, 08:33 AM
Hello all, I've made a few version mainly to do with the fonts.

Thanks again for all the good feedback.

So you've decided to go serif then? I have to say, I'm not crazy about any of these. #3 is the cleanest of the bunch but #1 looks the most like a home magazine logo.

arkitect
Jul 8, 2009, 08:40 AM
I would also go for 3 — if pushed…

But, please rein in those Ys… a nice flourish is good.
But those are far too overbearing.

moderniste
Jul 8, 2009, 03:36 PM
Agreeing with the above, #3 is best but the 'y' is a distraction.

ezekielrage_99
Jul 8, 2009, 07:28 PM
Thanks again for the feedback, ATM this will only be a part of the initial branding proposal. 4 good concepts will be chosen and from their the designs will be refined until we have one good looking logo.

I am thinking of adding 1 and 3 from the first image and 1 and 2 from the second revision for the document I am creating. Personally I can't see the San-serifs being chosen (due to company focus and preferences) and I think the Didot option with another "my" with the tails pulled in would work best.

But I think once the logos are included and refined into more context (e.g. Business Cards and Web Site) it would be easier to visualise the direction.

Muncher
Jul 8, 2009, 07:38 PM
Hello all, I've made a few version mainly to do with the fonts.

Thanks again for all the good feedback.

I definitely like #1 the best. Although, I can't say I like the "my" part, I feel like it clashes a bit with the cleaner more professional font used for the rest of the logo.

#3's font bugs me. The G at the end especially feels a little flat, as compared to #1 from your first set.