Too many newbies opening threads

[cube]

There are too many threads opened by newbies. One doesn't know which are legit anymore.

There should be a minimum post count required.

[thegoldenmackid]

The mods do a pretty good job, there is the report button or just ignore them?

[cube]

One clicks on many threads opened by newbies. The question seems reasonable, but one doesn't know if it's just somebody wasting our time our with an agenda.

[r.j.s]

One clicks on many threads opened by newbies. The question seems reasonable, but one doesn't know if it's just somebody wasting our time our with an agenda.

Then just ignore said thread. Can you give an example?

[thegoldenmackid]

One clicks on many threads opened by newbies. The question seems reasonable, but one doesn't know if it's just somebody wasting our time our with an agenda.

Some examples?

The logical solution seems to be to just delete it?

[cube]

No, the best solution would be a preference "hide threads opened by newbies".

[r.j.s]

There is nothing wrong with threads by Newbies, since many of them are just people looking for an answer that they haven't found elsewhere.

[thegoldenmackid]

No, the best solution would be a preference "hide threads opened by newbies".

Umm...there are plenty of newbies who start legitimate threads, there are plenty that don't search as well. We were all once there. And, the second user to register on this site is still a newbie (http://forums.macrumors.com/member.php?u=0000002).

[dukebound85]

There is nothing wrong with threads by Newbies, since many of them are just people looking for an answer that haven't found elsewhere.

alot are questions that have been answered numerous times before

[cube]

It's way too open for abuse.

[thegoldenmackid]

It's way too open for abuse.

More specific? I almost feel as if you are just trying to waste our time...haha...

There are just too many logical responses that don't seem to warrant a thread on this.

[designgeek]

We've talked about the minimum post count thing before and as much as it is a good idea it hurts people that need help with genuine issues in a hurry. Just the other day I posted to a thread that had the EXACT same subject, info, results etc, as a thread just three days prior. It drove me crazy and it makes me want to put the search link in my sig. It must be frustrating being a mod. I think we're in the middle of the post WWDC rush and I hope it's over soon. I remember seeing many "What does the 'S' stand for???" threads and plenty of questions that could be answered with the first result of a two word google search. :/

[r.j.s]

It's way too open for abuse.

Again, how about some examples of said abuse?

[thegoldenmackid]

We've talked about the minimum post count thing before and as much as it is a good idea it hurts people that need help with genuine issues in a hurry. Just the other day I posted to a thread that had the EXACT same subject, info, results etc, as a thread just three days prior. It drove me crazy and it makes me want to put the search link in my sig. It must be frustrating being a mod. I think we're in the middle of the post WWDC rush and I hope it's over soon. I remember seeing many "What does the 'S' stand for???" threads and plenty of questions that could be answered with the first result of a two word google search. :/
Yes, but the simple answer is that if it really annoyed Tallest, MacDawg or miles0101001 (the numbers confuzzle me), we would not post. Rather the four of us post on the same thread with nearly the same responses and links to other threads/mroogle...

[cube]

Besides the obvious spam and scam-advertising ones, I just saw too many asking the same questions or that have some anti-Apple connotation to it.
I don't want to see them anymore. I'm tired of clicking on them.

[r.j.s]

I'm tired of clicking on them.

Then stop clicking.

[thegoldenmackid]

Besides the obvious spam and scam-advertising ones, I just saw too many asking the same questions or that have some anti-Apple connotation to it.
I don't want to see them anymore. I'm tired of clicking on them.

The spam and scam ones half the time are gone before I even have a chance to report them via Forum Spy Stalking, the others are gone in relatively quick fashion. Also they are obvious, don't click on them.

The same questions are also easy, don't click on those.

And the anti-Apple ones are relatively interesting and usually have differing arguments, but again, don't click on it.

This thread seems even less valuable then all of the ones you complain about.

[dukebound85]

Yes, but the simple answer is that if it really annoyed Tallest, MacDawg or miles0101001 (the numbers confuzzle me), we would not post. Rather the four of us post on the same thread with nearly the same responses and links to other threads/mroogle...

who is miles lol never heard of him

but really, these redundant questions are quite annonying, esp when a simple google search would have answered or a previous thread

i hate how people put no effort into finding answers on their own but instead ask right away

its one thing to search and then ask, quite another to just ask without searching

[jmann]

Besides the obvious spam and scam-advertising ones, I just saw too many asking the same questions or that have some anti-Apple connotation to it.
I don't want to see them anymore. I'm tired of clicking on them.

That's just the way a forum is, it just like real life with people asking dumb questions all the time. If you don't like it, then don' t reply. If you are seeing duplicate threads use the post report button, and possiblly include a link to the duplicate/same topic thread, and the mods will take care of it promptly. Moderators may not see every post/thread to see if there are duplicates, but if we do our jobs and report a post/thread when we see a problem it will make their jobs a lot easier.

[thegoldenmackid]

its one thing to search and then ask, quite another to just ask without searching

I agree with you on this, but it's odd how people get flamed for reviving old topics. Especially ones about like "hey ______, I saw that you bought this/these a year ago, who are you liking it now"

And then, five years just reply with "good job reviving a six year old thread" without posting anything substantive.

[cube]

The spam and scam ones half the time are gone before I even have a chance to report them via Forum Spy Stalking, the others are gone in relatively quick fashion. Also they are obvious, don't click on them.

The same questions are also easy, don't click on those.

And the anti-Apple ones are relatively interesting and usually have differing arguments, but again, don't click on it.

This thread seems even less valuable then all of the ones you complain about.

The problem is answering to troll posts, not to a repeated question from a legit user.

[r.j.s]

The problem is answering to troll posts, not to a repeated question from a legit user.

Then stop answering, and choose Report Post (http://images.macrumors.com/vb/images/buttons/report.gif) instead.

[Frosties]

I'm a newbie to this forum and don't see it as an issue. It's just how people are. Either you search and that is what you should do with this great forum. But perhaps your question is not really answered or the threads are dated. One example is the dated sticky "2.0 or Lightroom" in the Digital Photography section. No useful info just dated opinions. Sometimes a question needs to be asked again for relevant info and help. Then again we all have read our share of "which model of 13" MBP should I buy". Yes, they are many and no new info is given, but then don't answer them or click on them.

I for one live by Google and search engines most of the time but hey we all make stupid and useless post in our time on forums. What we don't need is forum members thinking they are admins and moderators. That we have the real admins and moderators for.

One thing I would like is the choice of deleting your own posts, now you have post with nm instead.

[cube]

Then stop answering, and choose Report Post (http://images.macrumors.com/vb/images/buttons/report.gif) instead.

Now I almost always check if it's a newbie before answering, but I plainly don't want to see them anymore. There are too many.

[thegoldenmackid]

The problem is answering to troll posts, not to a repeated question from a legit user.

Umm...well, let's say you answer a troll post. People actually read the threads thats why the post to view ratio is different. Someone might actually learn something useful? But, why is not clicking so difficult.

[cube]

I'm a newbie to this forum and don't see it as an issue.

You're not a newbie. You're a "regular".

Umm...well, let's say you answer a troll post. People actually read the threads thats why the post to view ratio is different. Someone might actually learn something useful? But, why is not clicking so difficult.

How would you know if the thread was opened by a non-newbie? You HAVE to click.

[r.j.s]

One thing I would like is the choice of deleting your own posts, now you have post with nm instead.

When you see a post like that, report it, it will get deleted.

Now I almost always check if it's a newbie before answering, but I plainly don't want to see them anymore. There are too many.

Simple solution: Log out, then Quit your browser.

[dukebound85]

How would you know if the thread was opened by a non-newbie? You HAVE to click.

what does a user's rating have to do with the quality of the question?

that logic makes no sense anymore

if its a common question, you can tell by the thread

if not, why should the member's rating even come into play?

[cube]

Simple solution: Log out, then Quit your browser.

Now you are just being totally unhelpful.

[thegoldenmackid]

Now I almost always check if it's a newbie before answering, but I plainly don't want to see them anymore. There are too many.

So you just want to stop having new members? That sounds like a great strategy from every angle. Let's make this an exclusive club.

[jessica.]

There are too many threads opened by newbies. One doesn't know which are legit anymore.

There should be a minimum post count required.
When you speak in "one" you should know that you're alone here.
One clicks on many threads opened by newbies. The question seems reasonable, but one doesn't know if it's just somebody wasting our time our with an agenda.
Then one should not click on the threads. Your question is not reasonable because it is not a question, it is a preference that you seem to suddenly have. Though you've been around here since 2004, I've never really seen you. Would it be fair to assume that you provide no value? No, it would not. Just as it is unfair to say a newbie should not be able to start a new topic.

Besides the obvious spam and scam-advertising ones, I just saw too many asking the same questions or that have some anti-Apple connotation to it.
I don't want to see them anymore. I'm tired of clicking on them.

anti-Apple connotation? Actually, I would tend to disagree here because I see less troll threads then I see "when is MMS coming" threads. You will get trolls no matter where and by the way, posting here and striking debate over one OS over the other is not anti-Apple, it's called a discussion, perhaps one should try it.

You've provided little to no weight to your so-called argument. You could very well be seen as a troll here. You are antagonizing people who still fall under the status of newbie. May I remind you that you were once new?

[r.j.s]

Now you are just being totally unhelpful.

You said you didn't want to see those threads anymore. Unless you ban all newbies, that is the only guaranteed way.

[cube]

what does a user's rating have to do with the quality of the question?

that logic makes no sense anymore

if its a common question, you can tell by the thread

if not, why should the member's rating even come into play?

I want to avoid timewasters. Sorry if everybody gets flushed. Others with no concerns can answer.

You said you didn't want to see those threads anymore. Unless you ban all newbies, that is the only guaranteed way.

No, I said there could be a preference "hide newbie-started threads".

[designgeek]

Now I almost always check if it's a newbie before answering, but I plainly don't want to see them anymore. There are too many.

Me too, if I see it's a newbie and the question sounds stupid, usually I just move on. It's clogging up the good threads though and that's the problem. I recently saw a thread titled "Does my 13" MBP have a LED screen?" Google it for god's sake or look on the Apple site. Add that to the flood of post WWDC iPhone 3GS questions that could probably be answered by consulting the product manual.

[thegoldenmackid]

I want to avoid timewasters. Sorry if everybody gets flushed. Others with no concerns can answer.

I mean it seems pretty easy to manage your time well on here. But, oddly, the new threads are the most efficient. If you are trying to post on a thread that is pages long appropriately, it would seem that you should read all the posts, which is a rather time consuming activity.

Also, even without this thread, most of us are fairly mean to newbies that don't search and usually there are four or five people at the minimum that suggest searching. iThink (jessica.) that they get the point.

[dukebound85]

I want to avoid timewasters. Sorry if everybody gets flushed. Others with no concerns can answer.

what makes a noobie an automatic time waster?

your stance is becoming illogical lol

[jessica.]

Now you are just being totally unhelpful.

Pot meet kettle.

[cube]

what makes a noobie an automatic time waster?

your stance is becoming illogical lol

Please read my answers. I said there are abusers. The way to avoid them is not to see ANY of the newbie threads.

[thegoldenmackid]

Please read my answers. I said there are abusers. The way to avoid them is not to see ANY of the newbie threads.

Umm... can't you just make a buddy list and then use that in Forum Spy or am I completely wrong there?

If you could not tell by the thread title:
For Sale Brand New I Phone 3g S 32gb At $280 Usd in the App Store Section...then I'm not sure you should be making judgement calls about worthlessness.

[dukebound85]

Please read my answers. I said there are abusers. The way to avoid them is not to see ANY of the newbie threads.

read my responses

you can tell the time wasters by the thread titles, not the member status:rolleyes:

[-aggie-]

I want to avoid timewasters. Sorry if everybody gets flushed. Others with no concerns can answer.

So, you have determined that all newbies are timewasters? I like the logic of that. Some of the "newbies" are just NEW to this forum. That doesn't make them newbies in the context you are making them out to be. For example, I was a "newbie" in June, but I was using a Mac probably before most of the posters on here were born.

Senseless logic you have! I do feel your pain though with some of the new posters though (like the infamous "hot sweat" guy).

[cube]

read my responses

you can tell the time wasters by the thread titles, not the member status:rolleyes:

I'm not calling the non-searchers time wasters.

So, you have determined that all newbies are timewasters? I like the logic of that. Some of the "newbies" are just NEW to this forum. That doesn't make them newbies in the context you are making them out to be. For example, I was a "newbie" in June, but I was using a Mac probably before most of the posters on here were born.

Senseless logic you have! I do feel your pain though with some of the new posters though (like the infamous "hot sweat" guy).

Again, read. I didn't say all newbies are timewasters. I said I don't want to see any newbie threads because it's too open to abuse by timewasters.

[jessica.]

Cube, your logic is truly flawed. You're not a newbie yet you deliever something like this (http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=744584)?

Your post can be seen as anti-Apple because it is a complaint against Apple.

You bring no more value to this site than a newbie can bring. I do not see a reason to ignore newbies whatsoever. There are newbies out there who have been newbies since 2004 at least, they simply don't post as much. They don't start mindless threads, they don't reply for the sake of replying, they don't get into heated arguments over stupid things, and they probably only come here when they need help or when they can truly give it.

Also, if MR is wasting so much of your time perhaps you need to log off. ;)

[jmann]

Please read my answers. I said there are abusers. The way to avoid them is not to see ANY of the newbie threads.

There are definitely other more seasoned poster who create threads that are a complete waste of everyone's time. Look around and you will see them, we can't give all the credit to the newbies, that's not fair. ;)

[thegoldenmackid]

Again, read. I didn't say all newbies are timewasters. I said I don't want to see any newbie threads because it's too open to abuse by timewasters.

And then there is this thread? It seems like it's been a great use of time?

[dukebound85]

Again, read. I didn't say all newbies are timewasters. I said I don't want to see any newbie threads because it's too open to abuse by timewasters.

get over it

whatever you are proposing will NEVER happen

[-aggie-]

Again, read. I didn't say all newbies are timewasters. I said I don't want to see any newbie threads because it's too open to abuse by timewasters.

I have READ. Since some newbies are timewasters, then don't see any threads by newbies....that is what you are saying, correct?

[cube]

I have READ. Since some newbies are timewasters, then don't see any threads by newbies....that is what you are saying, correct?

Exacly, I want a preference to hide all newbie threads.

[dukebound85]

I have READ. Since some newbies are timewasters, then don't see any threads by newbies....that is what you are saying, correct?

thank god for ignore as i know whose threads i wont be reading lol

a timewasting thread about timewasting....

[thegoldenmackid]

Exacly, I want a preference to hide all newbie threads.

Rather then wasting the site's time why don't you just make a buddy list on your own time?

[designgeek]

This thread is too ironic I think.

IBTL maybe?

[r.j.s]

This thread is too ironic I think.

I was just think that same thing. And for once, ironic is used correctly.

[jessica.]

Rather then wasting the site's time why don't you just make a buddy list on your own time?

That is a stellar idea really! I have a BL and an ignore list. My ignore list is small and made up of people I need to avoid (sometimes those that discuss how to defraud Apple as I don't want to get hung up in a MP transaction with them). The BL is great, I follow a few people who are posting in this thread right now. :)

[Eidorian]

You reach a point where you can just search your username and a query because you've answered it again and again and again and again....

[-aggie-]

Exacly, I want a preference to hide all newbie threads.

Well, READ what I wrote. All newbies are not newbies in the context you put them in. Some of the newbies probably know more than you know; they're just newbies to this forum.

[thegoldenmackid]

That is a stellar idea really! I have a BL and an ignore list. My ignore list is small and made up of people I need to avoid (sometimes those that discuss how to defraud Apple as I don't want to get hung up in a MP transaction with them). The BL is great, I follow a few people who are posting in this thread right now. :)

I totally could have found a way to put an iThink...Possibly like:
"iThink that I suggested two pages ago, but you ignored me like a newbie, that a buddy list would solve the problem."

Also, would the magical "ignore" feature you wish to have ignore threads started or all post?

[cube]

Rather then wasting the site's time why don't you just make a buddy list on your own time?

How do I make a buddy list that is "all users except newbies" ?


Also, would the magical "ignore" feature you wish to have ignore threads started or all post?

Ignore the whole thread, otherwise it would make no sense.

[-aggie-]

That is a stellar idea really! I have a BL and an ignore list. My ignore list is small and made up of people I need to avoid (sometimes those that discuss how to defraud Apple as I don't want to get hung up in a MP transaction with them). The BL is great, I follow a few people who are posting in this thread right now. :)

Am I on any of your lists? :)

[yg17]

Why don't you just not click threads you think are time wasters. Obvious thread titles such as "How do I uninstall an application?", "How do I right click?", "Only one of my iPhone speakers works! Help!", "How can I unlock my iPhone for use on Verizon?", "FOR SALE IPHONE 32GB 3GS UNLOCKED! NOKIA HTC BLACKBERRY SAMSUNG PALM ALSO FOR SALE!" and "Too many newbies opening threads" should be pretty obvious time wasters, saving you time to click on what you consider non time wasting threads.

[designgeek]

And for once, ironic is used correctly.

Oh thank god, I'm always afraid I'll mess it up. Irony is one of my favorite things.

[thegoldenmackid]

How do I make a buddy list that is "all users except newbies" ?

You can't you have to add the ones you want. Sure it would take time, but you could avoid users like me who you apparently want to ignore anyway.

[cube]

Why don't you just not click threads you think are time wasters. Obvious thread titles such as "How do I uninstall an application?", "How do I right click?", "Only one of my iPhone speakers works! Help!", "How can I unlock my iPhone for use on Verizon?" and "FOR SALE IPHONE 32GB 3GS UNLOCKED! NOKIA HTC BLACKBERRY SAMSUNG PALM ALSO FOR SALE!" should be pretty obvious time wasters, saving you time to click on what you consider non time wasting threads.

How many times do I have to say it? My problem is not with naive users, but with internet abusers.

[Eidorian]

Why don't you just not click threads you think are time wasters. Obvious thread titles such as "How do I uninstall an application?", "How do I right click?", "Only one of my iPhone speakers works! Help!", "How can I unlock my iPhone for use on Verizon?" and "FOR SALE IPHONE 32GB 3GS UNLOCKED! NOKIA HTC BLACKBERRY SAMSUNG PALM ALSO FOR SALE!" should be pretty obvious time wasters, saving you time to click on what you consider non time wasting threads.That's pretty much what I do. I'll report the spam threads from time to time.

It's just that after answering the same things so many times you start getting really frustrated. I don't answer questions as often anymore unless they're really interesting. r.j.s has really taken on being tech support lately and you notice in Forum Spy.

[jessica.]

Am I on any of your lists? :)

Actually you are. :o

[cube]

You can't you have to add the ones you want. Sure it would take time, but you could avoid users like me who you apparently want to ignore anyway.

I qualify this as a timewasting suggestion.

[r.j.s]

How many times do I have to say it? My problem is not with naive users, but with internet abusers.

Then why the problem with newbies, I'm sure 99% are not abusers.

[yg17]

I qualify this as a timewasting suggestion.

I qualify this as a timewasting thread, so I think everyone's pretty much even at this point.

[thegoldenmackid]

How many times do I have to say it? My problem is not with naive users, but with internet abusers.

For the most part, the users that have responded to your ridiculous request have been what most would consider experienced users of the forum. What is somewhat ironic, outside of the obvious irony is that things are being repeated over and over again, people don't really read threads, myself included, especially when there are multiple threads involved, they just jump to the last page and find something to respond to it. Statements get repeated over and over again in the same thread - just like they get posted by newbies over and over again.

Edit: Not to pick on yg17 - all three of the things you posted were mentioned earlier on in the thread, multiple times. I agree with you on all of them and I do the same thing all the time.

[cube]

I qualify this as a timewasting thread, so I think everyone's pretty much even at this point.

This is the forum to give feedback to the site maintainers. It is totally appropriate.

[jmann]

Then why the problem with newbies, I'm sure 99% are not abusers.

I agree, if newbies didn't post, then what questions would we all answer? I guess we could just talk amongst ourselves. ;) Oh wait, we already do that anyways. :P

[Eidorian]

For the most part, the users that have responded to your ridiculous request have been what most would consider experienced users of the forum. What is somewhat ironic, outside of the obvious irony is that things are being repeated over and over again, people don't really read threads, myself included, especially when there are multiple threads involved, they just jump to the last page and find something to respond to it. Statements get repeated over and over again in the same thread - just like they get posted by newbies over and over again.It's amusing to see the answer in the first or second reply. Then you get it repeated a dozen more times after that.

[jessica.]

I qualify this as a timewasting suggestion.
I qualify sitting around complaining about something that you can mildly control yourself if you had any self control at all to be a waste of time.

This is the forum to give feedback to the site maintainers. It is totally appropriate.

It is in the appropriate section, yes. That does not make it an appropriate request.

I hardly believe you can qualify what is a time-wasting thread and what is not.

[thegoldenmackid]

It's amusing to see the answer in the first or second reply. Then you get it repeated a dozen more times after that.

It happens all the time. I agree when someone is asking for advice, it is necessary. But if someone's asking how to get their desktop icons lined up by name, five post are not necessary. Although, I would not classify the repetitive posts on this thread as advice.

[yg17]

I agree, if newbies didn't post, then what questions would we all answer? I guess we could just talk amongst ourselves. ;) Oh wait, we already do that anyways. :P

If newbies didn't post, then arn would just be talking to himself on the forums :D

[jmann]

I hardly believe you can qualify what is a time-wasting thread and what is not.

He doesn't qualify. Only the moderators do, it's what they signed their souls away to do :P

[Eidorian]

It happens all the time. I agree when someone is asking for advice, it is necessary. But if someone's asking how to get their desktop icons lined up by name, five post are not necessary. Although, I would not classify the repetitive posts on this thread as advice.You notice these things after being on the board and in Forum Spy for so long.

Anyone else getting a wall of yellow highlighted replies on this thread in Forum Spy? :rolleyes:

[cube]

It is in the appropriate section, yes. That does not make it an appropriate request.


But it is an appropriate request.

[-aggie-]

Actually you are. :o

The buddy list, right!? ;)

How many times do I have to say it? My problem is not with naive users, but with internet abusers.

Can you not see how illogical your statements are? You know all newbies are not abusers. But you want to not see any newbies threads, because some are abusers.

Does it really take that much time to open a post, find it is an abuser, and click ignore?

[jmann]

But it is an appropriate request.

But what are you going to do when regulars and members start posting "pointless" threads? Are you going to ask to ignore them too? Maybe you should just hide forums that you notice a particular problem with. Like the scary iPhone forum for example.

[cube]

If newbies didn't post, then arn would just be talking to himself on the forums :D

Newbies can post, but users should be able to decide if they want to see their threads. This is not a little site.

But what are you going to do when regulars and members start posting "pointless" threads? Are you going to ask to ignore them too? Maybe you should just hide forums that you notice a particular problem with. Like the scary iPhone forum for example.

Again the problem is not with legit users making "pointless" threads, but with site abusers.

[thegoldenmackid]

Newbies can post, but users should be able to decide if they want to see their threads. This is not a little site.
The fact that is not a little site makes this all the more relevant. If you want an exclusive community of experienced people, make your own where you can just ban people altogether if they are not up to your standards of importance.

You notice these things after being on the board and in Forum Spy for so long.

Anyone else getting a wall of yellow highlighted replies in the this on Forum Spy? :rolleyes:
I used to never go to the iPhone forums, but then I found Forum Spy...And now I get amused all day...Yes...this is getting out of hand for something that seems so irrelevant.

But it is an appropriate request.
Congrats you get a sticker for following the rules? It might be a request that does not violate the rules, but it is one that is so far-fetched. If it's that large of an issue, my solution, which is time-consuming to you, will solve the problem.

Again the problem is not with legit users making "pointless" threads, but with site abusers.
You can easily deem the pointless threads by looking at their titles, that is no difficult at all

[jmann]

Again the problem is not with legit users making "pointless" threads, but with site abusers.

How are the newbies abusing thread opening more than anyone else? There is just a disproportionate amount of newbies compared to everyone else.

[cube]

Does it really take that much time to open a post, find it is an abuser, and click ignore?

I am tired of opening posts by newbies where I cannot tell if the user is legit or not.

[Eidorian]

I used to never go to the iPhone forums, but then I found Forum Spy...And now I get amused all day...Yes...this is getting out of hand for something that seems so irrelevant. I have 19 forums excluded in Forum Spy. There are users that have more.

Killing off the iPhone and some of the community ones really helps on focusing on the threads you like. The buddy list helps you find where your friends are posting.

I think this thread is a bit much since I've already taken newbie annoyances out of the picture for the most part.

[cube]

Congrats you get a sticker for following the rules? It might be a request that does not violate the rules, but it is one that is so far-fetched. If it's that large of an issue, my solution, which is time-consuming to you, will solve the problem.


You can easily deem the pointless threads by looking at their titles, that is no difficult at all

Your so-called "solution" is CRAZY, not a solution at all.

If it were so easy, I wouldn't be wasting my time in this thread fighting people who ridicule a feature request.

[yg17]

Newbies can post, but users should be able to decide if they want to see their threads. This is not a little site.



Again the problem is not with legit users making "pointless" threads, but with site abusers.

What abuse are you talking about? Spam? Half the time those are gone before I even finish filling out the report post form. Anti-Apple threads? Should be pretty obvious from the thread title as most of the time the threads are called something like "omg lol apple sucks!" Please post examples of what kind of abuse you're talking about because 99% of the time I can tell if a thread is worthless just by looking at the thread title.

[cube]

What abuse are you talking about? Spam? Half the time those are gone before I even finish filling out the report post form. Anti-Apple threads? Should be pretty obvious from the thread title as most of the time the threads are called something like "omg lol apple sucks!" Please post examples of what kind of abuse you're talking about because 99% of the time I can tell if a thread is worthless just by looking at the thread title.

I said it before, it can be an innocent-looking question that is just planted there to waste everyone's time.

[thegoldenmackid]

What abuse are you talking about? ...

Not to be rude, but just making a point - all of the things you have posted have been mentioned before, it only shows that even people with Avatars can be just as useful as newbies.

Your so-called "solution" is CRAZY, not a solution at all.

If it were so easy, I wouldn't be wasting my time in this thread fighting people who ridicule a feature request.

My point was that there was a solution, it might be time-consuming, but ultimately it solves your problem. You made my arguement for me which is that it is not easy for you, once again - don't click.

I am tired of opening posts by newbies where I cannot tell if the user is legit or not.

I could post a thread offering you an iPhone 3GS Unlocked for $299 in the Apple Gaming section of the forum. There is no way to tell if anyone is really legit per say.

[JNB]

I'm tired of opening threads by members whose post count is inversely proportional to their post quality.

I'm tired of opening threads where ceaseless argumentativeness is the only thing keeping the thread alive.

I'm tired of opening threads that have several reasonable and practical solutions provided repeatedly, only to have them dismissed as not suitable for someone that doesn't understand that dead horses don't respond at all to continued flogging.

:rolleyes:

[r.j.s]

I said it before, it can be an innocent-looking question that is just planted there to waste everyone's time.

Then report it.

[cube]

My point was that there was a solution, it might be time-consuming, but ultimately it solves your problem. You made my arguement for me which is that it is not easy for you, once again - don't click.


It is NOT a solution. You must just as well say "count all integers, they can be counted".

[yg17]

Then report it.

And the mods are fairly quick at dealing with abuse threads, so if a thread is more than, say an hour or two old, chances are it's not abuse because if it was, it would've been gone by then. So how about you just ignore all new threads and wait a few hours before opening them because chances are they won't be abuse.

[cube]

Then report it.

Why should I report it when it could be legit?

[Eidorian]

I'm tired of opening threads by members whose post count is inversely proportional to their post quality.

I'm tired of opening threads where ceaseless argumentativeness is the only thing keeping the thread alive.

I'm tired of opening threads that have several reasonable and practical solutions provided repeatedly, only to have them dismissed as not suitable for someone that doesn't understand that dead horses don't respond at all to continued flogging.

:rolleyes:Is it safe to say thread over? :rolleyes:

[jmann]

Is it safe to say thread over? :rolleyes:

Very over. This argument is going nowhere fast.

[cube]

And the mods are fairly quick at dealing with abuse threads, so if a thread is more than, say an hour or two old, chances are it's not abuse because if it was, it would've been gone by then. So how about you just ignore all new threads and wait a few hours before opening them because chances are they won't be abuse.

Just because a thread lives on, it doesn't prove that the OP was not abuse.

[cube]

Is it safe to say thread over? :rolleyes:

Where are the actual solutions?

[yg17]

Why should I report it when it could be legit?

Then if it's a legit thread, what's your problem with it? I'm really confused here. If it's abuse, report it, if it's legit, reply to it or go on to the next thread. There are plenty of dumb threads posted but surely not enough that the 10 seconds it takes to read and report it waste so much time out of your day.

[thegoldenmackid]

Why should I report it when it could be legit?
You have officially ended this thread. If you are unsure if its legitimacy from the start, that don't open it. If you are unsure after reading it, then don't respond.

It is NOT a solution. You must just as well say "count all integers, they can be counted".

No, it solves your problem in its entirety, just not efficiently. Sort of like how, the mods spending all the time making a feature for what seems to be something that most users do not have problems with, would not be the best of ideas.

[r.j.s]

Why should I report it when it could be legit?

If it was legit, I don't think you would consider it a waste of time. Now, I think you are just arguing yourself in circles for fun.

[yg17]

Just because a thread lives on, it doesn't prove that the OP was not abuse.

You and I must have different definitions of abuse then. Because if it's pure abuse, the thread will be gone. There are plenty of threads out there that may not serve much of a purpose but start a good conversation, I do not consider those abuse.

[thegoldenmackid]

If it was legit, I don't think you would consider it a waste of time. Now, I think you are just arguing yourself in circles for fun.

Hmm... What is a troll? Yay, I got the daily double right. You proved the point of, someone with tons of post can waste just as much time as someone with none.

[cube]

If it was legit, I don't think you would consider it a waste of time. Now, I think you are just arguing yourself in circles for fun.

No, there're are too many I can't tell. That's why I finally opened this thread.

[Eidorian]

Where are the actual solutions?That would be up to you. Otherwise I suspect you're going to stop getting replies.

[-aggie-]

Your so-called "solution" is CRAZY, not a solution at all.

If it were so easy, I wouldn't be wasting my time in this thread fighting people who ridicule a feature request.

And your solution is not crazy? Think about it. Let's say all the regulars do what you want as an option and click on "no newbies." Pretty soon, this site is just newbies talking to each other and regulars talking to each other. Eventually, the newbies get tired of the site, since they don't get any useful information, and the site is just left with regulars. I see the site dying in your scenario. goldenmackid's method would work for you just fine, but you're not willing to even try it. Over time, you'll have your exclusive club of people that you want to open threads from, and this issue for you, will become a non-issue.

[thegoldenmackid]

You and I must have different definitions of abuse then. Because if it's pure abuse, the thread will be gone. There are plenty of threads out there that may not serve much of a purpose but start a good conversation, I do not consider those abuse.
Well this thread might have had little point, it seems like locking it to prevent further damage, someone might have the same question, so wastelanding is not the best of ideas it would seem.

[r.j.s]

No, there're are too many I can't tell. That's why I finally opened this thread.

For the third time ... how about some example threads - or is every thread by a newbie a waste of your precious time?

[cube]

You have officially ended this thread. If you are unsure if its legitimacy from the start, that don't open it. If you are unsure after reading it, then don't respond.



No, it solves your problem in its entirety, just not efficiently. Sort of like how, the mods spending all the time making a feature for what seems to be something that most users do not have problems with, would not be the best of ideas.

Stop it. You can't tell from the title. And your ridiculous suggestion solves nothing.

[thegoldenmackid]

For the thirty-third time ... how about some example threads - or is every thread by a newbie a waste of your precious time?

Fixed.

[cube]

For the third time ... how about some example threads - or is every thread by a newbie a waste of your precious time?

I didn't waste by brain trying to remember those threads. They just happen all the time now.

[thegoldenmackid]

Stop it. You can't tell from the title. And your ridiculous suggestion solves nothing.

No, it solves your problem. You make a buddy list and add all the users that you would find worthy of responding, it solves the problem in its entireity, the only arguments against it is that it's a pain in the a__ for you and it takes a lot of time from you.

[yg17]

Well this thread might have had little point, it seems like locking it to prevent further damage, someone might have the same question, so wastelanding is not the best of ideas it would seem.

I was thinking more along the lines of the threads like "Is the iPhone ever coming to Verizon?"

It will probably be a cold day in hell before that ever happens, and we have the same discussion every week and the threads are useless yet they always get a good conversation going. I'm not sure if that's what the OP considers to be abuse. I don't think those threads are.

I didn't waste by brain trying to remember those threads. They just happen all the time now.

If they happen all the time, surely you can go out there and find a few examples in no time, right?

[r.j.s]

I didn't waste by brain trying to remember those threads. They just happen all the time now.

That's funny, because I see no such threads in Forum Spy.

[jessica.]

^ Well, I can say a thread is a waste of my time, but to say it waste the time of the universe, no one has that power. His reads as though everyone here should agree. I went to MRGoogle and found some of his posts ... all I have to say is pot meet kettle.

I should be working, instead I voluntarily wasting my time here. :D

[cube]

No, it solves your problem. You make a buddy list and add all the users that you would find worthy of responding, it solves the problem in its entireity, the only arguments against it is that it's a pain in the a__ for you and it takes a lot of time from you.

I should make an ignore list with just YOU. Finding out the thousands of non-newbie users and making a list with that is a THEORETICAL workaround, not a solution. Please now stop it.

[jessica.]

You are well within your right ...
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[bartelby]

The thread is just like one from one of the Newbies you mentioned earlier...

One clicks on many threads opened by newbies. The question seems reasonable, but one doesn't know if it's just somebody wasting our time our with an agenda.

[thegoldenmackid]

I should make an ignore list with just YOU. Finding out the thousands of non-newbie users and making a list with that is a THEORETICAL workaround, not a solution. Please now stop it.
No, you can make a buddy list with people you want to respond to. Here's to reading.

and jessica. Why have I not been ignored by you yet, is it because you want that ring pop?

[cube]

If they happen all the time, surely you can go out there and find a few examples in no time, right?

Now you want to waste my time even more.

I'm tired of all the negative posters here, maybe I'll check later if some more helpful people had anything to say.

[thegoldenmackid]

Now you want to waste my time even more.

I'm tired of all the negative posters here, maybe I'll check later if some more helpful people had anything to say.

That might be the first intelligent thing that has been said here, but I'm not thinking you are going to find any more helpful responses.

[Eidorian]

No, you can make a buddy list with people you want to respond to. Here's to reading.Wall of yellow highlighted replies from this thread in Forum Spy. :D

I'll add someone to my buddy list after just a good post or two from them. It's nice to keep up with friends and people with like minds.

[thegoldenmackid]

Wall of yellow highlighted replies from this thread in Forum Spy. :D

Glad to see I could make your day, too bad cube's off to blocking me...It's for the better (I would put "I suppose," however, I'm way beyond supposing)